Wildebeest, Buffalo, and Cattle, Oh My!

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach (@WEschenbach on X, my personal blog is here)

We live in an odd age when a billionaire can look at the planetary mess, point at cows, and announce that they’re a danger to the climate, while an entire continent quietly demonstrates that the real trouble came in the form of a virus.

Bill Gates likes to say that about 6% of global emissions are from cows, and that we should either “fix the cows” so they stop doing that, or “make beef without the cow”. Catchy line. The Serengeti, however, has a different script, and it starts not with cows, but with rinderpest.

Roll back to East Africa before the late 1800s. The Serengeti is running on its factory settings: huge migratory herds of wildebeest and buffalo sweeping back and forth with the rains, shaving the grass down as they go. Grazers are in charge; grass fuel stays modest; fires happen, but they’re patchy and relatively small; woodlands hang on as scattered trees and clumps that can survive the occasional, not too intense burn.

In that state, the place is not some methane-free Eden—those herds are belching merrily away—but it’s a functioning savanna where herbivores, fire, and trees have worked out a long-term compromise.
Then we improve it.

Import Indian cattle, import the rinderpest virus along with them, and suddenly the system’s main fuel controllers—wildebeest and their friends—hit a wall. The rinderpest chews through the ungulates, slashing wildebeest numbers to a fraction of their former glory and hammering buffalo as well.

Nobody has changed the rainfall, the soils, or the grass species. They’ve just imposed a new, top-down mortality factor that doesn’t care about carrying capacity or migration. The Serengeti shifts from “limited by food” to “limited by rinderpest.”

Once the big grazers are gone, the grass celebrates. It grows tall, cures, and lies there as a continuous carpet of fine fuel. What used to be eaten is now waiting for a match. In the rinderpest era, fires become more frequent, burn larger areas, and bite harder into seedlings and saplings that might otherwise have grown into trees.

Holdo, Holt, Fryxell, and colleagues reconstructed this period and concluded that the disease-depressed Serengeti was not just more flammable; it likely acted as a net carbon source, as repeated burning and reduced woody cover drained carbon from biomass and soils. If you’d flown over then, you might have called it a “natural fire-maintained grassland.” In reality, it was a savanna on crutches, being held open by an imported virus.

This is the part the climate spreadsheets never see. Our modern global tables show “livestock: ~12–14% of emissions, cattle ~ two-thirds of that,” and from this we get the sermon: cows are a climate threat, cows are 6%, cows must be fixed or replaced. Gates leans hard on that framing in interviews and in his climate book—livestock methane as a stand-alone villain, synthetic beef as the enlightened alternative.
But the Serengeti’s experience says that when you take out the large herbivores—the wild analogue of our cattle—you don’t automatically get a climate win; you can get more fire, less wood, and less stored carbon.

Now fast forward again to the mid-20th century, when the rinderpest story goes into reverse. Veterinarians roll out mass vaccination campaigns for cattle across East Africa, cutting the virus off at its preferred reservoir. As rinderpest fades from the livestock, it stops spilling over into wildebeest calves. Calf survival rises, adult mortality drops, and suddenly the main brake on herd size isn’t an exotic disease anymore—it’s how much grass the system can grow. Wildebeest numbers respond like a coiled spring: from a few hundred thousand under disease pressure up to over a million animals within a couple of decades. Buffalo and other grazers increase, too. The four-legged fuel management crew is back.

What happens next is the part that nobody who talks only about “6% from cows” seems to grapple with.

  • More grazers means heavier grazing.
  • Heavier grazing means less tall, continuous grass.
  • Less fuel means fewer and smaller fires.

Holdo and co-authors found a tight inverse link: as wildebeest biomass went up after rinderpest eradication, burned area went down. Fire didn’t vanish, but its dominance did. With the fire regime dialed back, tree seedlings and shrubs suddenly get more windows of opportunity to grow past the flame-licking stage. Over time, woody cover expands, vegetation structure becomes more complex, and the system stores more carbon above and below ground.

Quantitatively, when they stitched the demography, fire data, and vegetation together, their conclusion was striking:

  • Under rinderpest, the Serengeti’s savanna woodland mosaic behaved like a carbon source.
  • With the virus gone and herbivores abundant, it flipped into a net carbon sink, sequestering on the order of a million tonnes of carbon per year in woody biomass over tens of thousands of square kilometers.

All that happened while the total methane output of the herbivores must have increased, because there were simply more of them. In other words: more burps, fewer fires, more trees, more carbon stored.

Meanwhile, in the global climate discourse, we get the flattening: cows are 6% of emissions, cars are 7%, therefore cows are “almost as bad as cars,” therefore rich countries should “move to 100% synthetic beef,” and we should “fix the cows” with methane-inhibiting feed or genetics.

It gets worse. Jeroen Remmers, a representative/advocate from the TAPP Coalition (True Animal Protein Price Coalition, which pushes for policies like meat/dairy taxes to account for “environmental costs”), recently spoke at the COP29 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Baku, Azerbaijan.

His claim? “Eating meat and dairy is causing 20% of all greenhouse gas emissions. … So the producers of meat and dairy should pay for the damage they cause.”

I guess 6% wasn’t scary enough, so he’s jacked it to 20%. That’s not science, that’s doing ecosystem surgery with a pie chart.

Yes, the FAO is clear that livestock produce methane and nitrous oxide. But it’s just as clear that a big chunk of those emissions is tied up with land use change, feed production, and manure handling—things that depend heavily on how and where animals are kept. The Serengeti case adds another dimension: change the herbivore–fire–vegetation feedback, and you can change the whole carbon behavior of a landscape without ever “fixing” a single burp.

The real insanity isn’t that people want to cut emissions. It’s that we’ve let the discussion be dominated by single-number thinking.

On one side, a savanna that went from balanced to overburned to carbon-storing, depending entirely on whether a virus was present in cattle, bison, and wildebeest.

On the other side, a global narrative where cows are framed as free-floating climate bombs and the proper response is to phase them out in favor of steel and fermenter “solutions.” One story is about how tightly life, fire, and carbon are coupled in real ecosystems. The other is about rearranging categories on a slide deck.

So yes, cattle have emissions. So do computers, cargo ships, and jet-fuel-powered climate summits.

The Serengeti reminds us that the big question isn’t “Do herbivores emit?”—they do—and it isn’t even “What percent of a global total do they represent?”

The big question is “What happens to the land, the fires, and the trees if they’re there—or if they’re not?”

When rinderpest arrived, the Serengeti lost its major grazers and likely lost carbon. When rinderpest left, the grazers came back, methane went up, fires went down, woodlands thickened, and carbon storage increased. That’s not a morality tale about cows. It’s a cautionary tale about thinking you can fix the climate by attacking one component of a system you haven’t really bothered to understand.

My very best to everyone on a gorgeous sunny spring afternoon,

w.

PS—My analysis, entitled “Computational implementation and empirical validation of a Constructal climate model”, has been published in the journal Biosystems and is available here. My thanks to Drs. Adrian Bejan and Umit Gunes, as well as to Anthony Watts, for encouraging me to publish my work.

PPS—Yeah, I know you’ve heard it before, but when you comment, please QUOTE the exact words you are discussing. It prevents endless misunderstandings.

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Sweet Old Bob
May 15, 2026 11:19 am

If only there could be a vaccine that cured climate craziness ….

😉

rhs
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
May 15, 2026 7:35 pm

Does this rag smell like chloroform?
That’s the closest I have to such a vaccine.

Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
May 15, 2026 9:22 pm

I think there is, it’s called lead and gets injected directly in the head. You could also repeatedly massage with a thick wooden stick as an alternative treatment .(SARC+SARC)²=you can’t fix stupid/sadly

Have a nice and sunny weekend folks, yes all the deluded crazy are as well included

1966goathead
May 15, 2026 11:23 am

Excellent commentary. It confirms my belief that you can never ever simply change just one thing.

rbcherba
Reply to  1966goathead
May 15, 2026 11:41 am

Somewhere in my distant past engineering education or experience it was said you can never do just one thing. It is proven over and over but the folks with all the ‘solutions’ never get the message.

Reply to  1966goathead
May 15, 2026 12:03 pm

The corollary to Newton’s Third Law — For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction — seems to apply to things that humans do with the intent to solve a problem. The reaction is usually called “unintended consequences.” It is often amplified by Murphy’s Law.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 15, 2026 5:49 pm

Eschenbach’s write up is poetry writ large.
In comparison, Bill Gates and Al Gore are just narrow-minded, biased, self-serving blowhards.

The worst way to “fight climate change” is for Wall Street/Congress to provide huge subsidies to turn investments into highly lucrative, risk-free, tax shelters to further enrich the insider elites.

ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY

toddzrx
Reply to  1966goathead
May 15, 2026 2:08 pm

You can if you’re a government bureaucrat!

SxyxS
Reply to  1966goathead
May 15, 2026 2:15 pm

In a world with butterfly effects,uncertainty principles and spooky actions at a distance it sounds almost impossible.
And on top of that – duality.
Even Schroedingers cat does 2 things simultaneously – and this cat doesn’t even exist.

Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 11:33 am

Fun factoid. Rinderpest was the first (and only) animal virus completely eradicated globally by vaccination. The world was declared rinderpest free in 2011. The Serengeti will remain safe “forever”.
Is the animal equivalent of the human smallpox vaccination story.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 12:19 pm

I suspect it is not completely eradicated.
Humans have made that claim before and gotten bitten on the hindquarters for their hubris.

Small pox was declared eradicated in 1977 but a we still have smallpox in labs around the world.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 15, 2026 6:06 pm

True rinderpest, like smallpox, still exists in biosecured lab samples. Well, we hope biosecured.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 8:06 pm

Well, we hope biosecured.”

You mean like Fauci’s Chinese lab ???

Chuck Higley
Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 8:52 pm

I am willing to bet that the rinderpest vaccine was much more carefully developed (and NOT mRNA) than any vaccine for humans. The farmers would be expecting good results and could sue if the vaccine was bad. Human vaccines are lawsuit-proof.

May 15, 2026 11:40 am

FAO ==> United Nations “Food and Agriculture Organization”

May 15, 2026 11:46 am

Thank you, Willis. Very interesting.

And congratulations on your paper being published! I read the parts that are online, and bookmarked it for further cogitation.

Derg
May 15, 2026 12:12 pm

Nobody should listen to Bill Gates. Well maybe Democrats.

Reply to  Derg
May 16, 2026 4:58 am

Democrats love criminals, hate the victims!

Sparta Nova 4
May 15, 2026 12:14 pm

Another golden ticket “control knob.”
No understanding of complexities or nuances.
No analysis of alternatives.
No assessment of unintended consequences.

This article addresses the madness some are pushing.

May 15, 2026 12:26 pm

Harold The Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: Willis
RE: Methane Emissions

At the Mauna Loa Obs. in Hawaii, the concentration of methane in dry air currently 1.9 ppmv by volume. One cubic meter of this air has a mass of 1,290 g and contains a miniscule 0.0013 g of methane at STP. Main natural sources of methane are swamps, marshes, bogs, fens, and wet lands; wild ruminate animals; decaying and rotting dead vegetation; seeps from the earth’s surface and ocean floor; and termites especially African termites.

Emission of methane from human activities are oil and gas operations, leaky gas distribution pipelines, coal mining, domestic animals, garbage dumps and sanitary landfills, and composting of waste organic matter, and some waste water and sewage processing plants.

Despite all these sources of methane very little remains in the air. Discharges of lightning initiates the combustion of methane along path of the discharge. However, there is no propagation of combustion since concentration of methane is so low. There are over 8 million discharges of lightning everyday (cf. Wikipedia). Discharges of lightning generates ozone which will readily oxidize methane. Methane is slightly soluble in cold water. One liter of cold water can hold 33 mls of methane. Methane that dissolves in cold polar waters slowly diffuse to the ocean floor where under high pressure it a solid clathrate known as methane ice.

All process of combustion using air burn up methane. Jet planes with their huge engines are flying incinerates for methane.

The claims that methane is ca. 80 more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is true, but due to its very low concentration in air it cannot cause warming of air.

We really do not have to worry about methane emissions and there is no need to control its emission from human activities.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Harold Pierce
May 15, 2026 1:57 pm

The methane 80x claim is true—but only in a dry lab atmosphere. In the real world with an average of about 2% specific humidity, the two narrow small amplitude methane absorption bands measured in the lab are completely overwhelmed by two much wider high amplitude water vapor bands also measured in the lab. And there is very little methane around for the reasons you point out.
The whole methane thing is bad physics and bad chemistry.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 2:41 pm

Governments have been cracking down on oil and gas companies over methane emission as they see the companies as rich cash cows.

I have to go to the Oil Sand Alliance and post my comment there. The Canadian government is monitoring methane emissions from oil and gas companies in western provinces and developing regulation on methane emission. I have to give the alliance a heads up so they won’t have to pay fines and penalties for “excess emissions”.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 2:49 pm

I forgot to list rice cultivation.

rbabcock
Reply to  Harold Pierce
May 16, 2026 10:54 am

And volcanic eruptions and venting off Starship.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 15, 2026 5:34 pm

W/m² makes my eyes glaze over and I’m probably not alone in that regard.

So in real temperature nomenclature, is 0.94 W/m² about 0.3K ?

Reply to  Steve Case
May 15, 2026 5:53 pm

0.94W/m² is absolutely tiny compared to the amount of energy moved by bulk air movement…

It will have absolutely zero measurable effect.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 15, 2026 5:55 pm

Never said was zero. Said was ‘overwhelmed’.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2026 8:00 pm

I like to use the term… a flea bite on an elephant’s posterior. ! 🙂

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 15, 2026 4:04 pm

I forgot to mention that discharges of lightning generate hydroxyl radicals from water molecules which attack methane and initiates its combustion.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 16, 2026 2:44 am

And the lifetime of methane in the atmosphere is reported to be about 10 years then breaks down into CO2 and water.

CH4 + 2(O2) -> CO2 + 2(H2O)

I want to meet the gnome with the stopwatch and spectrometer that measures how long methane “lives” in the atmosphere.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 16, 2026 5:02 am

But good “climate-fighting, scare-mongering” politics

Reply to  Harold Pierce
May 15, 2026 5:24 pm

“The claims that methane is ca. 80 more powerful greenhouse gas
than carbon dioxide is true . . .”
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Sir John Houghton came up with a formula that says it’s 80 times
more powerful than CO2.

You know what? A Piper Cub will fly 80 times farther than a Jumbo
Jet on a gallon of gas. So that means that the Piper Cub is a better
airplane right?

Houghton did his Global Warming Potential number scheme using
mass instead of volume which is the usual metric for calculations
dealing with a gas. And it’s a pretty good guess that he did that
because it gave him a bigger scarier number.

Reply to  Steve Case
May 15, 2026 7:46 pm

All these theoretical calculations don’t mean anything in the real world. Last winter in the Yukon and NWT air temperature plunged to -50° C, which broke all previous low temperature records.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Steve Case
May 16, 2026 7:16 am

A jumbo jet and a Piper Cub exist for different purposes. Saying one is better than the other is silly.

McComberBoy
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 16, 2026 3:42 pm

That was the point. Illustrating stupidity with stupidity.

May 15, 2026 12:36 pm

First , Slaughter the Serengeti
has long been a manta of mine .
Will Happer had an excellent description of the biology of ruminates in his recent WDC Heartland talk .

May 15, 2026 12:37 pm

“What you really have not bothered to understand.”

Earth is cooler w atmos/water vapor/30% albedo not warmer.
Ubiquitous GHE balance graphics don’t + violate GAAP & LoT.
Kinetic heat transfer processes of contiguous atmos molecules render “extra” GHE energy from a BB surface impossible.
GHE = bogus & CAGW = scam.

Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
May 15, 2026 2:43 pm

What is “GAAP” and “LoT”?

Reply to  Harold Pierce
May 16, 2026 6:39 am

Generally accepted accounting procedures. entering the same number twice, TFK_bams09 63.
Laws of Thermodynamics.

Reply to  Harold Pierce
May 16, 2026 7:13 am

TFK_bams09

Balance 1, ISR
1,368/4=341-30% albedo=239-80 atmos=
161 W/m^2 net/net to surface = 161 W/m^2 leaving surface (LoT 1) = 0.9 net 17 + W/m^2 sensible + 80 W/m^2 latent + 1st 63 W/m^2 by remaining difference.
Balance is closed.

Balance 2, Calculation for denominator of emissivity ratio, 63/396=0.16
396 W/m^2 upwelling S-B BB at 16 C 115% of ISR violates LoT 1.
333 W/m^2 “back” from cold to warm without work violates LoT 2.
Second 63 W/m^2 dropped down someone’s boot top.

Balance 2 can be erased from graphic without consequence.

K-T-Handout
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
May 15, 2026 2:53 pm

Hey, maybe Anthony could host a Zoom get together to lay my points to rest.
Ground rules:
Are my three points supported by evidence & science, yes/no & if not why?
No changing the subject to esoteric handwavium nobody understands.
No appeals to authority.
No ad hominem challenges to my credentials or dismissing me as unqualified.

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.”
Who are the fools and whom are they fooling?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
May 16, 2026 7:17 am

Get over yourself.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 16, 2026 10:21 am

You’re not invited.

Bob
May 15, 2026 1:03 pm

Very nice Willis.

May 15, 2026 2:33 pm

This makes about as much sense as California believing that “let it burn” is a method of wildfire mitigation.

Reply to  isthatright
May 15, 2026 5:06 pm

Actually … let it burn is the best wildfire mitigation plan.

We know that prior to fire-fighting the Sierra Nevada forests density was 20 to 40 trees per acre. After 100+ years of ‘forest management’ the Sierra Nevada forests density is 200-400 trees per acre (see Ansel Adams photographs for reference). Forest Biologists tell us that burn evidence shows historically every bit of the Sierra Nevada burned every seven to ten years. BUT those fires were low-slow-cool fires that burned the grasses and small shrubs, dead and diseased trees and cleaned up the forest floor litter; kept the tree density down providing open forest floors which provided food for the browsers (deer browse on shrubs and don’t graze on grasses much). Low slow cool fires kill most pine/fir seedlings maintaining the 20-40 tree per acre density. Suppressing fires creates closed forests with piles of litter, as we see today 6″ of needles and twigs under a brushy mess forest managers call ‘the ladder of fuel.’ The ladder of fuel carries fire from the forest floor litter up to small dead and diseased trees up to the crown. Because the trees are too dense with crowns touching, we have crown fires which are unstoppable. In forests of proper density crown fires don’t spread tree to tree.

When native peoples were setting fires, they reduced the overgrown forests. Thus frequent low slow cool fires prevent overgrown forests which burn in hot destructive fires.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  isthatright
May 16, 2026 7:19 am

It is for a natural environment. It’s only a problem when people are in the way.

May 15, 2026 2:58 pm

Cows are really just a part of the carbon cycle. They do not ‘create” carbon. Plants eat carbon, cows eat plants, then cows emit CH4 (carbon, CH4 is oxidized and the cycle begins again.

Nothing “makes” carbon. It has been here forever, even the carbon in fossil fuels is not new. Show me a brontosaurus that didn’t eat carbon and expel CH4. Then we can discuss how flora grew so abundantly that the big herbivores survived and propered.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
May 15, 2026 4:27 pm

Soot is a type of amorphous carbon. Old two-stroke diesel engines emitted lots of soot. Four stroke diesel engines emit soot but now have been fitted with a system that oxidizes the soot. These engines also has a system for taking out oxides of nitrogen.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Jim Gorman
May 16, 2026 7:19 am

Yes. All animals are “carbon neutral”.

ferdberple
May 15, 2026 4:36 pm

I drive around in my IC car scrubbing methane from the air. Unlike EV owners.

May 15, 2026 4:48 pm

Multiple points I think you’ve missed here:

  1. Cars burn fossil fuels which bring up long sequestered carbon. The plant-livestock circuit is merely cycling carbon which is already in-play at the surface. Livestock aren’t increasing the carbon budget at the surface, they’re participating in a zero-sum game. Fossil carbon from previously sequestered sources however is not zero-sum, that carbon expands the carbon pie.
  2. Cattle-Fire thing played out in the western US states too. Prior to the 1800s, native people being mostly cyclical-nomadic burned areas they found overgrown, preventing the overgrowth of the western scrub-oak and pine forests. When the native people were replaced by cattle ranchers, the ranchers performed the same function with both livestock and fire. In the 1980s mis-guided environmentalists forced the state and federal agencies to remove cattle from public lands which had the effect of causing private ranches to become unprofitable. These lands were in turn mismanaged by governmental managers and developers who actively fought fires without considering that the land was well maintained when fires (natural or set) burned on a relatively frequent basis. This misguided fire-prevention allowed huge overgrowth of these once maintained forest lands. Fast-forward to the 2000s and we saw several uncontrollable million+ acre fires.
  3. What do we do these days? In the western state, governments are paying shepherds to bring in goats and sheep to graze down the forests to reduce runaway growth thus preventing runaway fire.
Curious George
Reply to  Lil-Mike
May 15, 2026 6:26 pm

The plant-livestock circuit is merely cycling carbon which is already in-play at the surface.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Curious George
May 16, 2026 9:10 am

I think the fear environmentalists prey on is the methane that livestock emits. A trumped-up fear without a basis associated with reality, but fear none the less.

That’s the beauty of having multiple fears to prey on. One second, it’s CO2, the next it’s the “80x worse” methane. You parry CO2, they riposte methane. If they stuck with one fear, it would too easily be disregarded.

Curious George
Reply to  Lil-Mike
May 15, 2026 6:31 pm

The plant-livestock circuit is merely cycling carbon which is already in-play at the surface.
Why do you assume that the cycle has a zero net effect? How was coal created? How was oil created (actually, I am not sure how much of oil are remnants of organisms)? Are you sure that oil is not being deposited today?

Reply to  Lil-Mike
May 16, 2026 7:43 am

Fossil carbon from previously sequestered sources however is not zero-sum, that carbon expands the carbon pie.

It is a zero-sum. It just depends on how you do the sum. All the carbon on earth arrived at the time the earth coalesced. As water developed, some of the CO2 was absorbed. More was absorbed into soils and diffused downward. Unless you don’t believe the studies that show CO2 at some points was as much 2000 – 4000 ppm, then you must admit plants, animals, and sea creatures survived those levels. Temperatures were not high enough to boil all the liquid water away or there would have been no sediments deposited.

In the not-too-distant past we were approaching a CO2 level that was low enough to be an existential danger. The further we move away from that point the better.

ChrisSchoneveld
May 15, 2026 7:26 pm

Willis flips from Serengeti with wildebeest etc to cows and cattle. Cows kept by farmers are not regulating the fires etc. or the natural environment. They are kept on farms for cry out loud.

Reply to  ChrisSchoneveld
May 15, 2026 8:03 pm

Farms are very much a “control” of the natural environment.

Take the cows off it, and leave it to “go natural”, and you pretty soon have a massive fire hazard awaiting an ignition spark.

Walbrook
May 15, 2026 8:11 pm

The bacteria in a cow’s gut is also in the soil and decay uneaten grass thus releasing Methane, the methane is released with or without the cow.
The cow also seeds the soil with Methane consuming bacteria. 

Chuck Higley
May 15, 2026 8:47 pm

We should keep in mind that the half-lives of CO2 and methane in the atmosphere are about 5 years—i.e., they are seriously temporaary. NOx emissions from animals are even shorter-lived and at a concentration more likely not at ppm, not at ppm, but at ppt (parts per trillion) and thus inconsequential.

Ed Zuiderwijk
May 16, 2026 2:34 am

Most people and in particular virtue signalling billionaires know nothing.

Jeff Alberts
May 16, 2026 7:10 am

Holdo, Holt, Fryxell”

Pretty sure that’s a Hobbit, a Dwarf, and an Elf.

May 16, 2026 7:21 am

While visiting Tanzania many years ago, I made a side excursion to Ngorongoro. I was there for 2 nights. On the menu at the hotel restaurant were Wildebeest and Zebra. I order the Wildebeest on the first night and Zebra on the second. I have to say that the Zebra was the better tasting of the two.

Carl
May 16, 2026 3:05 pm

Cows and other ungulates eat grass and produce methane. Methane reacts with oxygen in the atmosphere to form carbon dioxide. Grass absorbs the carbon dioxide to grow. Cows and other ungulates eat grass and produce methane. Round and round. It’s a cycle with no net production of methane or carbon dioxide.

McComberBoy
May 16, 2026 3:37 pm

Willis,
Greetings from an old neighbor from Oak Run.

I once tried to calculate the numbers of bison, elk and other grazing animals on the North American continent compared to today’s numbers of cattle. I could not find enough hard data to work with.

Any ideas about what ancient methane production might have looked like? Not that it affects real temperatures, but just as a point of sanity for an insane discussion

PBH

May 17, 2026 2:22 am

Never forget you can see Methane oxidising over swampy ground: its called wil’o’the’wisp.