Essay by Eric Worrall
Climate warnings appear to have finally jumped the shark even with liberal media audiences, with reporters focusing on issues people care about, like the economy and Russia’s war with Ukraine.
Dire warning on climate change ‘is being ignored’ amid war and economic turmoil
The third segment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report is being overshadowed, just like the previous one
Fiona Harvey
Sun 3 Apr 2022 17.45 AESTScientists fear that their last-ditch climate warnings are going unheeded amid international turmoil caused by the war in Ukraine, and soaring energy prices.
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But the previous instalment of the vast report – known as working group 2 of the IPCC – was published a month ago, just as Russia invaded Ukraine, and received only muted attention, despite warning of catastrophic and irreversible upheavals that can only narrowly be avoided by urgent action now. Scientists told the Observer that Monday’s fresh scientific warning must spur governments to belated action.Advertisementhttps://43324aa3403c63d52032174b2f6f751f.safeframe.googlesyndication.com/safeframe/1-0-38/html/container.html
Deborah Brosnan, adjunct professor of biology at Virginia Tech University in the US and a scientific consultant, told the Observer: “That [working group 2] report was widely anticipated, but completely ignored. Eclipsed mostly by the war in Ukraine, and domestic issues such as inflation, most major media have barely reported let alone analysed the findings.”
She said people were shocked by the Ukraine war, and concerned about soaring prices, but that the climate crisis also needed urgent attention. “The war in Ukraine is a terrible tragedy playing out before our eyes, and families rightly fear being pushed into poverty by inflation. Yet we seem blind to the fact that an even larger and existential crisis is already unfolding today – one that will result in a global humanitarian crisis and on a scale never seen before.”
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/03/dire-warning-on-climate-change-is-being-ignored-amid-war-and-economic-turmoil
Poor climate alarmists. They thought they had everything neatly worked out, a carefully planned campaign of interlocking claims, carefully orchestrated to try to ratchet up the alarm and shake the public out of their entirely justified climate apathy. Then a real problem arose and messed up their entire campaign.
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First things first
“Hyperbole Harrabin”at the Beeb got his ten cents of doom mongering as did Fatso Guitars at the UN. Christina “it doesn’t Figueres” also at the UN weighed in too and doubtless Mann and Santer out for a canter and Ursula van Leyden on a hidin’ to nothing.
Apparently Its worse than we thought and we have got to soak CO2 out of the air. We are doomed!
Cheer up, alastair. We’re not doomed until 2030 or in 10 years or something. (It’s been hard to keep up with when We’re all gonna DIE! over the past 50 years.)
I don’t know why all those people are so upset now that it’s too late. Settle in and party until doomsday, I say.
What’s the probability that Putin started this War to ensure that the media focus is pulled from the UN CC Agenda? Is it really coincidence or was it planned to coincide with the release of the Working Group 2 reports?
Interesting. I just read in a article today that, “When politicians want to fool the public, they enact policies that have implementation deadlines far in the future.
“ Guitars”
Leave my Les Paul and Strat out of it!
They [well, the amps] require a lot of juice
Two ES-339s (Vintage ‘buckers and P-90 equipped) and a Tele here. 🙂
Gibson ES-335D, circa 1963 here. Had a 3-watt amp at one time, so no one could hear it.
Actually, it feels more like “First things second”.
Some European governments and officials are beginning to realize wind and solar aren’t up to the task, so now (at last!) they raise the strategy of 1) restarting coal plants; 2) allowing hydraulic fracturing in oil and gas development; 3) delaying closure of nuclear power plants; 4) launching major efforts in nuclear power.
It’s about time.
But TIME is what they have squandered during their decade-long tango with the Green Clean Queen of magical energy faeries. And the big COLD wolf is already at the door.
This does not look like it will end well. First, the conversation needs to change, then government policy must change, then the bureaucracies have to implement change, and regulations and restrictions must be broomed aside – – and then maybe we’ll get back to the energy supply wonderland we all enjoyed when Trump called the shots.
And the US Democrats need to slapped down in the 2022 elections.
Time is not the friend of the poor, hungry, and immobile.
it was a means to an end. bureaucracies are career first, the public second
We’re in second place? I’m not so sure we rate that high.
I admire your cheerful optimism, though.
Yeah, I thought polar bears were in second place.
White supremacists
The motto of every bureaucy: quisque sibi proximus. Closest to itself.
Oh Gawd! Here we go again. Yet another last chance to save the planet…
What is point of saving planet when Vlad the Terrible is going to nuke us first. We need to quadruple or more the CO2 emissions to save few troglodytes that might survive a nuclear winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
Vlad may be a big #$%%@ jerk but he isn’t stupid. As Trump told
KIm: my rocket’s bigger than your rocket! He has exotic weapons
but so does everyone else. One problem with dictatorships
is that their troops aren’t used to/allowed to take individual
initiative- orders always come from above. Also, they use a lot of
green recruits on a limited time hitch- like we had in Nam. No one
wants to go home in a body bag! The Russkies are so bad, they
even had problems with something as basic as tires!!! (NOTE:
Part of Vlad’s problem is that he can’t blow up too many things or
kill too many civilians because if he eventually takes Ukraine, then
he has to deal with the aftermath of what he did to get it.)
Given the reports coming out of Bucha, it looks like he has already gone to far.
Mark hold your fire on that one. Wait until the seeeyeah involvement becomes known.
I have great confidence that bonbon and Peter will try to make that claim, but I don’t know of anyone who would take them seriously.
Well someone has been lying about Bucha, just not sure exactly who or why. If those bodies have been lying outside for ‘weeks and weeks’ then there is no way that they would be looking as recently deceased as they did. Somebody either got the wrong message or failed to coordinate their information properly. I have no doubt that they were killed by the Russians either just before or as they withdrew as the information available does not support them being hit by the intense Ukraine artillery bombardment of Bucha that went in while the Russians were preparing to withdraw.
He can eventually rebuild it and instill loyalists as the new populace
It worked for Stalin.
The ploy goes a few thousand years further back than Stalin.
Since Stalin is Putin’s role model, I thought he would be the appropriate reference.
Just how many last ditch warnings have we had in the last 30 years. They obviously think we are that stupid.
I don’t think “last-ditch” is what the Guardian writer should have described these “warnings” as. Doesn’t really compare well to scenes of people in real “last ditches” in Ukraine.
The moral of Aesop’s “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” applies here.
“We’ll help you look for the Catastrophic Warming
lost sheepin the morning,” he said, putting his arm around the youth, “Nobody believes a liar…even when he is telling the truth!”“The war in Ukraine is a terrible tragedy playing out before our eyes, and families rightly fear being pushed into poverty by inflation. Yet we seem blind to the…” climateer BS that still is not playing out before our very eyes!”
Do these pathetic fools not see the end of their careers playing out before their very eyes. Geez, when there is no heat, light or bread this winter and they were the proximate cause of this “existential” threat, they better lie low.
Of course. After all, that game almost always works, has for more than 10,00 years.
Is that a European 10.00, with a dangly decimal point? Or some new numbering system?
They will save you by first starving and freezing you.
How important could it be if the story tellers are told to take the carnival wagon and move on to another village. We have much bigger dead fish to fry and they have not fallen from the sky
Yep, speaking of things falling from the sky –
why would the populations of Nth West American continent worry about the 31st annual “last chance saloon” warnings about imminent climate armageddon, when they can see CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGERS like this one from Prof Cliff Mass’ website –
radiation fallout trajectory of nuclear explosion over Ukraine –
https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/03/where-would-toxic-release-over-ukraine.html
Good opportunity to reset the narrative.
They will be 90-95% more effective in diminishing climate changes by focusing on landuse and water cycle effects (surface temperature), as opposed to trying to modify the 1 bar of greenhouse factor by meddling with gas concentrations.
It’s exactly a backwards and ineffective way of dealing with the problem.
Here is an image of surface temperature in my area. Cool bits in blue, warm bits in reds. Lo and behold, the surface is radiating more than pre settlement times.
I can’t imagine why anyone would consider it a problem , other than the fact that we are far too close to the bottom levels that support life . This is why I do everything possible to increase my footprint
Assuming you’re talking about CO2, you have missed the point entirely.
You can only up the ante on catastrophism so far. Here it is on CNBC:
IPCC report: Climate scientists issue ultimatum on 1.5 degrees goal (cnbc.com)
This is all over our BBC radio and TV news bulletins and was the lead on the 5pm R4 news just an hour ago. According to the UN and “scientists” we have got to act NOW and change all our lifestyles or we are going to see 3.5C rise by the end of the century with TOTAL DISASTER if we don’t do as they say.
Maybe they are beginning to panic?
The Bandar-log are getting more and more shrill because although the politicians are still on board the hoi polloi are beginning to see through the scam.
But the Bandar log rule by the diktat of the Green Bungle Book in London, Berlin and Washington wWhile in Beijing Xi-re Khan licks his chops and and Ka-Putin the python writhes his deadly coils around Ukraine
Xi-re Khan.
Brilliant!
John, if you look at the BBC 10 most read items, it isn’t mentioned.
In keeping with the tradition of climate liars being full of it, the guy who came
up with the 2 degree limit admitted that he had pulled that arbitrary number
out of his back side. Unfortunately, I don’t have a source. It may have been
WUWT or Climate Depot. If anyone has it, please post it as it’s great
evidence for all of us to show others this whole things a scam
EUREKA! I FOUND IT!!!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/16/the-2-deg-global-warming-limit/
https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/04/02/book-reveals-goal-of-2-degree-limit-of-global-warming-has-no-scientific-basis-pulled-out-of-thin-air/
Two degrees was the original “crying wolf” before they backed off
to 1.5C.
2 degree timeframe turned out to be too far off … so they had to bring the disaster value down.
Thanks for this. I remembered reading it at the time too. There was no mention of 1.5C until someone got over enthusiastic at the Paris chin wag. Up until then, the 2C was just a random picked figure with no meaning.
The fact that he choose an integer number tells it all. What is the probability that a real world limit is an integer number of the difference between the boiling point and the freezing point of water at normal atmospheric pressure divided by hundred?
Any real limit, if it is real in the sense that there is some human way to achieve it, is probably more that several times their fantasy.
It’s the same here in NZ.
It’s now or never, apparently.
Any and all weather events are all due to climate change. I literally heard our climate change minister tell us that it should be raining in some part of NZ right now, but it isn’t, because of climate change.
We _never_ hear the other side of the story (i.e. the truth).
The truth is in very short supply these days.
Pointing out that the mole on the Emperor’s butt looks like it could be a melanoma is unpopular with those insisting on the magnificence of his new clothes.
The Energiewende was an expensive failure, and all attempts to duplicate it will have the same result, which is probably a change of the government implementing reliance on wind and solar.
Was this from the wrong word processor or is it really supposed to mean something?
I’d actually feel bad for them if I haven’t been hearing the same crap for over 30 years. Always 10 years to save the planet from <insert doom prediction here> unless we do X. X never gets done and we’re still here. Have these people NOT heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?
Just about any time the storm clouds fly, or don’t show up often enough, or the volcano rumbles, someone produces a doom sermon. It’s a tradition that goes back a long long way.
Exactly. The whole “news media doesn’t adequately report about IPCC findings” claim is nothing more than an unsubstantiated, false, and quite old talking point. Outright disinformation, in other words. I’ve quantified the relentless trumpeting of the IPCC reports by one specific U.S. news outlet, and had to add on to my overall running count of it with tonight’s News Wrap mention of the the 3rd part of the IPCC AR6 report and subsequent separate discussion of it. These latest two bits mark the 1,253rd & 1,254 significant mention/direct discussion of the IPCC’s “settled science” at this news outlet, dating all the way back to their earliest 1996 reports about the AGW issue:
“NewsHour Global Warming Bias Tally, Updated 3/7/22: 95 to 0“
I still snicker every time I hear the local PBS radio station pump out its motto ending with “…and diverse voices” — it’s diverse voices until there’s a story that even remotely touches climate change, at which point it’s always “Rah! Rah! AGW!” backing the alarmist agenda 100%; from the coverage on PBS, you’d never know that there wasn’t 100% support for the doctrine of AGW across the globe.
It’s not just climate change. For PBS diversity means that every opinion from communist to socialist is excluded. Everything else is by definition either outside the mainstream or hate speech and therefor must be suppressed.
Nothing like a major war and major inflation and fuel scarcity to focus attention on real problems rather than imaginary ones. When even the Guardian gets it, you know the climate jig is up.
Indeed. Climate Change is a luxury belief system which can only work when people are well-fed and living in comfortable, warm homes.
Too soon to assume the Guardian gets it. I read a report about midnight UK that we have until 2025 to level off CO2 increases. After that it’s too late.
And then the goalposts will move again.
JF
It has been our last chance for several decades at this point, according to the people who take lack of self-awareness to a whole new level.
How many last chances have to come and go before they grow a sense of shame?
Of course they are preaching to a choir who are afflicted with the worst case of short term memory ever.
Nothing they have ever warned of or predicted has ever come to pass, and yet as time has gone by, they have only become more certain in their dire pronouncements.
Once upon a time not so long ago, even the worst of them readily admitted that no single weather event was proof of anything.
They also used to only warn of future catastrophe.
But now they claim we are in the midst of an ongoing catastrophe, and every instance of inclement weather and local weather disaster is not merely evidence of worsening conditions, but instead these events are themselves actual “climate change”!
They have not simply conflated weather with climate, but have actually conditioned the media and the masses to accept the redefinition of weather events as climate change, and each of these events are a brand new unprecedented phenomenon.
Why should they speak in factual measured language when they can repeatedly recycle failed predictions and never get called out, and when they have brainwashed large numbers of people into believing weather is climate, and bad weather never used to happen.
Compared to those, their insane implicit lie that they can control the weather of a planet, but only if we all do exactly what they say, give them all our money and freedom, and grant them unlimited power to enslave us into poverty…all while they themselves live lives of abject profligacy.
They never had to give even a scintilla of evidence that a slight amount of warming was by definition an extinction level event, let alone prove it or even explain how it might conceivably be so.
They erased all memory of past warm periods in any time frame, made everyone ignore that every living thing likes it warmer not colder, deleted the basic fact of all biology that CO2 is the molecule that the biosphere is made from, and made everyone blind to the plain simple fact that nothing has occurred anywhere that is not the same as it has always been.
Compared to doing all of that simply by telling a few lies over and over again, implanting in the public consciousness the ridiculous notion that our idiot politicians are master planetary engineers in their spare time was accomplished without even having to explicitly assert it.
Who can doubt we are already deep into the idiocracy when a little girl who is an autistic middle school drop-out is hailed as a brilliant visionary climate scientist and applauded as a conquering hero by governments and the “intelligentsia” all over the world?
I just watched a short clip on CNN about climate change and how good the current viscous killing of Ukraine citizens by Russians is the reason to get down with Net Zero right now. They cited a lot of facts, like 97%, etc, and it turns out that I am a fracking idiot, because I am anti-scientist and don’t share their view.
“…the current viscous killing…
Is that like drowning them in treacle?
(With apologies to the brave people of Ukraine)
I’d like to echo the sentiments you have expressed. Presumably it’s viscous because it’s steady and inexorable, sadly.
Sorry, spell check liked it so I gave up further efforts. My bad.
Now it’s spell check, is there nothing that CO2 can’t mess up?
Ha
is there nothing that CO2 can’t mess up?
Ummm – the climate!
Auto
Take the long view like a geologist should. On the other hand I have the attention span of a geophysicist- measured in milliseconds an so hjave given up worrying about the chatter of the moronic 97%
Ron: Try reading something other that media propaganda…Is It Possible to Actually Know What Has Been and Is Going On in Ukraine?, by Boyd D. Cathey – The Unz Review
The North Pole wasn’t ice free in 2007, the Maldives didn’t go under the waves in 2018 and our grandchildren know snow. Gosh. Get something right, Warmies!!
The Secretary General claims that the nations’ previous pledges were lies. They aren’t keeping the promises. They never intended to.
So if he thinks that maybe he should wonder ask why all the world’s experts (who aren’t on the IPCC) think that lip service is all that’s required?
Why should we listen to a bunch of windbags who can think of nothing more constructive than calling every politician a liar. I mean, we know they’re liars – they only got the job because they lied better than their opponents, but at least they lie less than the ones in the UN. Plus, once in a while, our liars actually accomplish something – rare I know, but still a better track record than the UN.
One of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” was to accuse others
of the crimes you yourself are guilty of. By the looks of it, they’re
doing post doctoral research!!!
That was the funniest speech I have seen in a while … it is like it just dawned on him that this is a giant shell game.
At the rate emissions control is going we could be at 800ppm of CO2 while being net zero at 2050 🙂
Well I suppose they could revert to doing real science and that might grow their audience a bit, but then they’ll face the absence-of-crisis problem. There may also be the difficulty of having forgotten altogether how to do real science after decades of just making stuff up. Reality is so stubbornly real, it makes lying for a living a hard slog. Can’t say I have much sympathy though.
Maybe not so much forgotten how as OH!, So much work! I need to go lie down for awhile before I can even think about trying.
The most blessed generation to ever have inhabited the planet that honesty thinks they have it the worst.
You mean all their private jet flights to warm resorts for “Meetings to save us all” and their mansions on the coast or on tropical islands? Yes they are blessed and apparently feel so bad about it that they want us to live like they should have.
I’m more thinking about Greta and her followers who have never known real privation in their lives, believing that they are hopelessly doomed.
That is actually the problem most of them have never had it hard and it’s easy to feel self guilted in that situation.Look at climate activist and see how many are either over-educated never left uni types, celebrities or inner city yuppies.
I’ve had a remarkably comfortable life by historical standards. The difference is that I know it. I had a much more comfortable life than my parents, and they had a far more comfortable life than theirs, and farther still than their grandparents. I knew my grandparents who survived The Depression. I knew people who lived on the frontier before running water and electricity. I also know history.
None of these people seem to.
Well I never,
The idiots that caused the energy crisis are now getting ignored de funding is next ,diddums.
Get a taste of what you actions have done to others !.
My only solace at this point is the sure and certain knowledge that history will judge these clowns and charlatans very harshly.
Every one of the individuals who have gone out of their way to be a prominent shill for this circus will have their names forever enshrined in the future history books detailing this insane corruption of science and common sense.
All that remains to be seen is how much damage they will be able to perpetrate.
There is a real chance they will be responsible for massive famines, large scale instances of people freezing to death, etc, caused by shutting down energy production when they have no plan for how to replace it, besides some vague wishful thinking and talking points about green energy and renewables.
That would be nice but unfortunately in the future the history will be written in Chinese so they may get a mention as useful idiots or even be given hero of the revolution medals
I think Steve Case had the perfect analogy. The west leadership is Alex Guinness in the Bridge Over the River Kwai and the bridge represents net zero. Only after the bridge was ready for use did Alex realize his folly.
It may be thousands of year before the Ministry’s efforts are adequately revealed for some truth to get out. If their genetic manipulations are successful enough, few will be left that might have a chance of questioning.
At this point they are rapidly shutting down all our means to produce energy, doubling down on the ban on new nuclear plants, while making some plans to create more of the two least reliable sources of power that we know of.
It is hard to see how this is not rapidly coming to some sort of a head.
There are zero plans for any widening of the scope of mining raw materials/metals, or increasing capacity to produce any of the things needed to actually implement the replacement of all the stuff that powers all of our farming, transportation, wintertime heating, and everything else we need not just to retain our civilization but to even stay alive.
But there is a new element in the equation, and it is called inflation.
Energy inflation has been occurring in some countries for years, but it is a new thing here in most of the US, and it is now joined by rapidly increasing prices for literally everything, from food and cars to apartments and houses.
Everyone who is not very wealthy is feeling a very painful bite with every fill-up, energy bill, and shopping trip, and even those who are not paying enough attention to know the cause of it all, nonetheless know whom they will blame and punish in coming elections.
I hope, and think it is more likely true than not, that the more painful it becomes before these policies are reversed, the more vivid and long lasting will be the memory of the pain, who caused it, and how those who inflicted it had justified doing it to us all.
One wrinkle in this scenario is that deeply entrenched bureaucrats who are not subject to being voted out of office are now all in-on the whole thing, as are those who control the flows of money and capital, and even those who regulated the stock market are now putting into place rules to lock into place the insanity.
The most terrible lesson of the 20th century is that governments can become absolutely monstrous, and when they do there is almost nothing that can be done to stop or dislodge them, let alone hold them to account.
That is enough from me for now…I have managed to make myself very hopeless all of a sudden.
Correct, climate no longer matters.
Proof:“a screenshot of the front page of today’s BBC UK News
Notice the greater prominence given to the passing of a (BBC) soap opera actress compared to the climate story. (little purple square)
(A lack of airplanes for Easter Holiday Makers is also Front Page News (lower right corner))
Here‘s the climate story and boy-oh-boy, after 30 years of same old same old, McGrath is damn near hysterical in there.
How do they sleep at night?
Just had a look at the BBC page that has comments opened. Interesting split of views…..a hard core “we gotta do something, anything” group, but overwhelming support for “dont do stupid stuff, and what problem?”
Except for this load of baloney.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2022/apr/04/world-on-fast-track-to-climate-disaster-say-un-secretary-general-video
Watching lefties try to comprehend reality is really funny.
If there is a real problem hard sciences,engineers etc would be asked to solve it rather than stupids in climate science and activists.
Hi Eric
It appears to me it is a bit of time waste for quoting or even reading Guardian.
I’ve just went to the link and got this:
You’ve read 90 articles in the last year – congratulations on being one of our top readers globally
90 articles clicked on, not necessarily red, in 12 months and being top, or one of top readers globally ?!
My local monthly ‘Wimbledon and Putney Commons’ two pages fold-over leaflet gets more avid readership than the poor Guardian.
Do they include you visiting AutoTrader every day to decide which Ferrari to buy next?
Ferrari? Wouldn’t be seen passing on the same street side of a parked one. Dark blue 1992 Volvo 940 is my status symbol for the last 25 years.
I only could find a ’95
I fell in love with the Ferrari 308 which I first saw in Mainz.
Hello, Ferrari. Good-bye, Corvette!
like this
No comment.
It’s exactly the same, man’s car
They both look good!!
You are right Vuk. I think the comic strips in my local Buffalo paper gets more readership and in fact deserves more 😂
The Guardian relies heavily on guaranteed sales to the BBC every day. Presumably, that’s how BBC journalists find out what to write. Take those sales away, and the Graun is outsold by The Daily Record in Scotland.
“people are dying and nobody cares” — Christiane Amanpour (about Yugoslavia)
May God bless them and keep them safe – to the people living on the frontlines of Ukraine. My sympathies are with them and far, far away from the climate deceivers and fraudsters.
I heard Christina on a clip talking about journalism. To paraphrase only when government officials proclaim does she have anything to report.
IN OTHER NEWS- I have found proof that bears do doo-doo in
the woods. It’s known as Winnie’s Pooh!!! 😉 😉 😉
Oh no. And I always thought bears did it in rivers and streams because of Pooh sticks.
The IPCC are crying wolf again. Catastrophe, always in the future, just like last time & the time before & before that, when catastrophe was predicted & didn’t happen. I wonder what scientists really told the Observer? (And which scientists?).
Nobody cares about the hype and lies .
The carrnage, death and destruction wrought be Putin’s war on Ukraine is horrifying and obvious. Now show me the dead bodies, inundated costal cities, devastated infrastructure and ecological destruction caused by climate change. Ordinary weather related natural disasters that have happened every year since humans started keeping records don’t count. There is simply evidence of climate change caused harms that compare to what human monsters like Putin and his war mongering predecessors are capable of.
The rising prices and cost of living crisis are the direct result of the insane climate policies.
This ^
Those insane climate policies are in large measure just a cover for ongoing political power and ideology changes. Costs are simply collateral damage. If not “climate” there would be some other excuse.
You have to starve and freeze the population to save them from climate change 🙂
I just clicked the link in the article to get the working group 2 assessment report & read a couple of pages of the summary for policy makers. I noted that they seemed to have ‘high confidence’ that climate change is responsible for increased coral bleaching & death. I’m suspicious of this finding. There was a bleaching event in the Great Barrier Reef in 2016 & the alarmist media trumpeted that the Reef was ‘terminal’ due to climate change. Since then, however, by 2018 the Reef was showing signs of recovery. Apparently this is a thing that can happen with coral from time to time. It is unlikely that a warming climate would destroy coral because it is a warm water organism(s) & was much more widespread in the oceans when the Earth was warmer. Due to the cooler state of the Earth now coral is presently confined to the ‘coral triangle’ round Australia & the East Indies. Global warming will be good for coral. Now Mr IPCC, I wouldn’t like to think that you were lying would I?
I have herd that coral reefs litter the shores of the Red Sea. In fact the “Coral Reef Alliance” states:
“Coral reefs can be found in tropical destinations around the world, mostly in areas around the equator where the water is warmer. More than 100 countries have a coral reef within their borders, and over half of the world’s coral reefs are found within six countries: Australia, Indonesia, Philippines, Papua New Guinea, Fiji, and the Maldives.”
Climate Doomism is such a tough gig. I mean, not only do they have to compete with all this other, actual stuff happening, but they have to alarm people, but not so much that they just say, “so what’s the point anyway”? “We’re doomed no matter what”, and so they just give up. So what we’re seeing are dual, or even duelling climate messaging, with some of them, like Guterres screaming about how bad things are, and how we’ve all failed, blah blah blah, and then others saying “wait a minute, things aren’t so bad yet, we can still fix this, blah, blah, blah. I don’t know how the climate loons do it.
This evening, on BBC’s flagship radio news programme (PM), following days of unbelievably harrowing stories of Russian war atrocities across Ukraine, the editors decided that the running order should focus, first on the UN’s assertion that we’re all going to fry because of CC, followed by an item about the new symptoms of Covid! War crimes came a poor third.
So far have BBC priorities fallen – along with their integrity.
Let’s get back to our big star that may matter to the climate change.
Surprisingly, the current SC25 is still following the one from just over a century with with only couple of months out of phase.
Are we going to get the early 19th century climate?
Unlikely.
But how come that the sun remember what it did 107 years?
If it does remember, I have no idea.
Instead I would ask what forces it to do so. Some of us may think we know, but let’s pass on that one.
Here is up to date graph
What is recorded by the graph? What does SC 24-25 mean?
SC – sunspot cycle
typo ‘20th century climate’
I commented above prior to seeing your correction here.
-Nick
Do you mean early 20th century?
Early 19th was 200 years ago.
Anywho, I am pretty sure that the jet stream, for example, does not need to recall where it was last Spring or in any past Springs in order to be in the same place and same state right now as in many of those past times.
It simply has to respond the same way to whatever causes it do to what it does, the same way and according to the same physical laws as it has always done.
My cat sits with her front paws folded under, exactly the same as a cat I had decades ago, and a thousand miles away. And I am pretty sure it is not because they read the same style guides.
A computer-generated fantasy catastrophe and the catastrophic solutions (that were supposed to take much longer to materialize) meets a real one that has upset the timetable.
(Just like the frog in the pot on the stove. Slowly raise the heat, and it will sit there till it dies. Raise the heat suddenly and it will hop out.)
The truth is that the frog will jump out when the water gets uncomfortable.
People are getting pretty darned uncomfortable.
Unfortunately, the collective population of the world have let themselves be put in a far worse situation than can be solved by anything so simple and easily accomplished as a frog jumping out of a pan of water.
You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time…
it’s unfortunate that the latter are all in politics and the media. But don’t worry, it’s beginning to dawn on everyone else that they’ve been had. The anger will be wondrous to behold.
I don’t have words to describe shallow, callous people like Deborah Brosnan. She is more concerned about an unproven theory than a war where people are dying daily or certain wide spread poverty. She is contemptible.
It is worse than an unproven theory.
It is not a clearly enunciated hypothesis for one thing.
All of the predictions were contrived in advance, several decades ago, all of the corroborating data is faked, and all of the so-called solutions solve nothing, are incapable of solving anything, besides wholesale and massive transfer of wealth and political power from those of limited means to those who are already objectively the holders of vast wealth.
If we lived in a world where people get what they deserve, we would all live to see her and everyone of her abjectly idiotic ilk be shamed and dismissed from public discourse in humiliated disgrace for being not even wrong and for causing hundreds of millions of people to be impoverished and in countless other ways being severely harmed due to their outright abdication of anything resembling objectivity or honest investigation.
Readers of the Guardian know and are hiding under the table crippled by climate anxiety…
There is actually assistance for Climate Anxiety in the UK .. I kid you not
https://mentalhealth-uk.org/blog/what-is-climate-anxiety-and-what-can-you-do-about-it/
Climate anxiety is one of those problems that, if you ignore it, it really will go away.
I think it’s a good reason for a paid day off work … I can’t work today Boss I am anxious about Climate Change and need to seek help :-).
Warmunism fatigue is real. One can only stay alarmed at the same set of talking points for so long before getting bored, or realizing that the talking points may not actually be true, or relevant, to one’s actual life.
Redistributive change is wanted, forcing competing interests to take a knee is sought, but securing the natural resources throughout the Russian territory is a forward-looking imperative. South Africa, Syria, Libya… part deux.
I’ve been hearing these same warnings for the last 40 years and not one of them has ever come true.
All the scientists that made the original warnings are now retired. Maybe the younger scientists would get a clue that people have memories and don’t appreciate being lied to, but then again maybe not.
We may even need to abandon farms and double up or triple the number of households in one flat—like Poland with refugees right now. Wake up climate con men!
Okay, how is this being handled in the daily intel briefing inside the Kremlin?
What, you mean after they’ve stopped laughing at us?
Most reasonable people are sick and tired of the decades long climate alarmism bs that never happens or is simply wrong to begin with and represents pure political propaganda.
Yup.
And like the person speaking a foreign language to others who do not understand it, they seem to be under the impression that if they keep saying what they say over and over again, but louder and more urgently and at greater length, that will solve what they see as the problem.
Hi
Does anyone have a recent value of the current temperature compared to the 1.5C.
Where are we at.
Thanks
I dunno, Ozonebust, but nowhere close to the Eemian high temperatures… and dangit! The Earth had the temerity to go into a glaciation after working up such a good sweat.
The nerve of that Gaia! Harrumph!
According to longstanding conventional wisdom on this, we have had something like 1 degree of the 1.5 already, when using the mid or late 1800s as a starting point.
The original panic number was 2 degrees, but as it had become apparent about halfway through the last decade, even the climate mafia could not manufacture that much fake warming.
So they changed the amount from 2 to 1.5 degrees, that would cause thermageddon to commence.
Note that the 2 degrees was itself pulled out of someones…um…hat, and there was never any study, evidence, or factual reason to think this arbitrary number was anything based on fact.
Then again, even though we are in an ice age, and everyone knows warmer temps are far preferable for humans and crops and life in general, all it took was an assertion couched in scary language to gaslight the world into thinking warming was bad instead of good, and for that matter that CO2 was a noxious pollutant and poison rather than the essential raw material of the biosphere which in fact is in dangerously short supply in recent Earth history and the current day.
It has frequently been far more than 2 degrees warmer than the present (and well over 3 more than 1850), over the past 8 to 10 thousand years.
The warmest such time was notable for being far more beneficent for life than the present day is, featuring such differences with the present as a Sahara region that was a verdantly green, dotted from end to end with lakes and ponds, and crisscrossed with stream and rivers.
That is the sort of thing one learns when one looks for actual evidence of what a warmer world is like.
So much for warmer temps being a catastrophe.
Ozonebust
April 4, 2022 2:30 pm
Hi
Does anyone have a recent value of the current temperature compared to the 1.5C.
Where are we at.
Thanks
I seem to recall reading that we’re almost a degree and a half above the ‘pre-industrial’ temperatures.
I certainly do NOT wish to return to that climate.
Obviously a further 0.2 or 0.3 [C] warming will lead to the end of life on Earth, and probably rather poor postal services on Sundays, or something. . . .
My thoughts are with the people of Ukraine – not officious proto-elitists.
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The Guardian is a founding organization behind Covering Climate Now — a propaganda group of journalists and media outlets to promote and proselytize climate alarm which continually demands that its members move any climate news to the front page.
They are a major part of the climate problem.
Enhanced it for ya Kip.
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Fixed it for poor fiona the liar..
“Scientists fear that their latest and most dire over thirty years of last-ditch climate warnings“
Apparently none of these kooks have ever read about the boy who cried “wolf”!
Prof. Brosnan needs to realize the public apathy is because the public understands the science far better than she does. Climate is a chaotic, non-linear system. Climate “science” claims it is linear and uni-directional. This is false. Our childish attempts to model climate are dismal failures with long term error bars magnitudes above and below forecasted values.
I tell my friends concerned about the next 1 degree of warming to move 100 miles north to avoid being cooked to death.
I thought the climate alarmist scientists were going to go on strike until people started to pay attention to them.
What happened to that?
Now it appears Plan B is a Whining Campaign.
The only real question is whether it is them who have the short memory, or that they think everyone else does.
They seem baffled by the fact that most give no credence to their dire panic mongering.
“despite warning of catastrophic and irreversible upheavals that can only narrowly be avoided by urgent action now.”
So, there’s no evidence of climate catastrophe, yet. But just you wait!
Real dead bodies now always trumps modeled ones.
“Barely Reporting”
Huh ? My news feeds are choc-a-bloc with climate drivel….
You’re not wrong but occasionally they report a dose of reality-
We’re Not Even Close to EVs Being as Cheap as Gas Cars, Mercedes Says (msn.com)
Klaus from BMW told the dunderheads in 2018 about that-
Frölich doesn’t believe that when lithium-ion batteries for EVs are being produced in huge number that their cost will fall. Some of the metals used to make them will instead become more expensive, he predicts.
BMW executive says electric cars will always cost more than conventional cars | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site
This is total garbage. That figure of 3.2 C comes from compute models with strong positive feedbacks built into them, feedbacks which in reality are inactive. The principle one is the Clausius Clapeyron . 7% per K water vapour increase. In theory, it might happen, in reality there has been no recorded increase in water vapour, NVAP-M, ISCCP, RE2 etc show no increase. We are therefore left with the rather mild warming from CO2, of which we have had 87% already, so regardless of how much more we produce, there is very little warming to come. And that is the simple science of it.
I would remind people of something I have said before.
Many comment that this is the same old all over again – that is, some time period is picked by which action must be taken or disaster. The countries doing the most and most rapidly growing emitting either nod their heads or maintain a polite silence. Nothing much is done, emissions keep rising, the date nears, and a new date is announced with equally terrifying predictions if not met.
People here commonly point to the intellectual and policy absurdity of this sequence, and keep pointing to how it plays out over and over again.
The point is, this is the wrong way to look at it, and the wrong way to argue against it. The failure to implement the programs which the activists demand is a feature not a bug. Its an essential advantage for them. The absurdity, as long at it doesn’t go beyond a certain point, is also an advantage.
What the activists need is a long lived cause. They need some measures that they can continually demand and organize around.
The last thing they need is for any of it to be implemented on the required scale, or to work if implemented. For an activist, its great if huge amounts of wind farms can be built, and then fail to work. Why? Because it leaves you with the issue, you can carry on with your invested intellectual capital, and demand more wind farms, or more solar, or less energy use, or more insulation. Whatever, you don’t really care, as long as you don’t have to abandon climate as an issue to organize around.
It is actually preferable for the activists if what they demand is impossible to do. Net Zero in the UK is a classic. The reason is, there is then no risk of the movement being held accountable for having advocated failed policies.
It is especially important for activists not to join government and enter office. The German and Scottish Greens appear to have forgotten that. The German Greens have found themselves having to classify both nuclear and some fossil fuels as green. The Scottish Greens are faced with having to decide whether they really, really do want to close down the Scottish oil industry and try and replace it with wind farms. These are both things that any rational activists will run a mile from. Never demand things which the existing government can do, and never join a government which is responsible for adopting policies.
The IPCC is not in the unfortunate position of being offered role in government. So it and its activists can keep playing the game for report after report. In a few years time the same thing will happen. More in sorrow than anger there will be a report forecasting disaster unless mankind turns away from fossil fuels. The date will be a new later date, about ten years out, as it was last time. There will be another generation chaining itself to fences or gluing themselves to roadways or blocking refineries. Having driven there in the 4 x 4s.
One day, I guess in about 2040, historians will start digging into the history of this movement, and not having read or heard of Alinsky they will be absolutely astonished when they discover that the history is as outlined above. Why, they will ask, did they not find a more effective way to go about their goals? They will, you see, assume that the goals of the movement were to reduce emissions.
In fact, the goals were solely to organize, using emissions and climate as an issue to organize around. They never cared much about climate, it was just a very successful organizing point. Just like Stop the War never cared either way about Iraq. Its use was to get a million or more people out on the streets. Now that, they did care about.
Emissions by 2040 will be around 45-50 billion tons a year. And nothing much will have happened to global temperatures. And there will still be protests, demonstrations and lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the Guardian. And the IPCC will still be reporting.
Thank you for that very astute observation.
When an announcement of coming disaster is made on camera by a garden gnome like mr Guttieres, then only fools will pay any attention. And guardianistas, of course.
I see the guardianistas aint happy with Canada and Norway copouts in cahoots while their world is on fire-
The world is on fire. Why is Canada considering massive new oil drilling? (msn.com)
After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there has been a shameful attempt by fossil fuel proponents in Canada, seemingly echoed by the premier of Newfoundland, to justify Bay du Nord as an answer for ending dependence on Russian fossil fuels
What’s not to like about Gaia’s natural oil in the lands of freedom lefties? We don’t want no steenking totalitarian commie oil. LOL.
When the IPCC is proved right on the climate disaster, I suppose Watts readers will be gone and not subject to regret…
Ain’t gonna happen, griff. You really should stop worrying, it’s bad for you.
What is to regret we had a choice we made it … regret is for self guilt losers who can’t accept consequences for their decisions.
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The issue you fail to address is prohibition has never worked on anything from drugs, nukes, alcohol etc so why would any intelligent person try it on emissions. So beyond believing you, activists and climate scientists …. your only solution you suggest fails a basic IQ test.
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How many times do you need to be lied to before you realize that what you want is never going to happen 🙂
Just wondered what your affiliation is with advocacy groups since you are here daily and refer to Watts readers as “them” but not you.
I am a member of no group, society or political party, green organisation or anything else relevant to the subject matter of Watts.
I just have an interest in climate science
I love the weasel words “relevant to the subject matter of Watts”.
Of course griff has been very vocal about his desire to strictly limit what we here are allowed to talk about.
Most of the groups that are driving the global warming scam have nothing to do with climate, in their organization’s name.
From memory Ed is employed in the solar industry.
So far all of the IPCC’s predictions have proven to be wrong. Why do assume that this is going to be the only one they get right?
so far the IPCC is batting 0 with their wild guesses.
Maybe they would do better if they invested in a new crystal ball to rub
Note how it took war atrocities to get the EU to this level of sanctions on Russia……
WSJ
Europe to Target Russian Coal in Fresh Round of SanctionsNew restrictions will need approval from all member states
Russia is not having a war with Ukraine. It is conducting a war against Ukraine. Russia’s offensive operations were unprovoked, and without basis in law. Their basic strategy seems to be to terrorize civilians and slaughter innocents.
From the above article:
My simple request of those alarmist climate “scientists”: Can you please, please, please promise me that this indeed will be your last-ditch warning.
Thank you!
This is like the Titanic Deck Chair Management Committee complaining that their new Deck Chair strategy document is being ignored just because the ship nudged an iceberg.
1988 Hansen: ‘if the world continues business as usual, temps will rise by 1.5 degrees by 2022 and accelerate from there! CATASTROPHE!”
2022 NASA: “wow Hansen was really close to the actual temperature rise of .5 degrees, thus proving we were right! hooray for science! oh and btw CATASTROPHE!”
Nowhere close to half a degree since that year:
And 1988 was about the same as the late 1970s, which was known to be the low ebb of a 30 year decline in global temperatures.
Back in 1988, although people like Hanson were initiating what would morph into the current pack of utter lies, there were also plenty of people around still committed to being honest reporters of what was known to be true:
Russia needs to be pushed toward sovereign debt default on foreign backed currency (first since 1918) and we don’t need London or Brussels getting in the way of that.
Well duh – that’s already taking place. USA has frozen Russia’s assets in American banks, halting most transfers and making those US banks that are administering Russian assets apply for exemptions on a case-by-case basis. It’s forcing Russia to either pay the debt or default but support it’s war effort with foreign assets. The screaming will start when Russia does the same to the rather larger US assets in Russian banks.
Maybe the Guardian would like to report things like this and why people don’t believe a word they say.
In a speech, the UN chief accused some governments and businesses of “lying” and said it was the countries that are increasing production of fossil fuels, not climate activists, that are “truly dangerous radicals.”
“We are on a fast track to climate disaster; major cities under water, unprecedented heat waves, terrifying storms, widespread water shortages, the extinction of a million species of plants and animals,” he said Monday. “This is not fiction or exaggeration, it is what science tells us will result from our current energy policies.”
Who does this remind us of, accusing people of the very things they are actually doing?
1) fast track to climate disaster; severe weather does not equal climate disaster, no evidence = fail
2) major cities under water; 3mm per year at max, zero evidence = fail
3) unprecedented heat waves; heatwaves have been worse in the past, no change = fail
4) terrifying storms; nothing that hasn’t occurred before and using severe weather = fail
5) widespread water shortages; more a increased human consumption and storage problem = fail
6) the extinction of a million species of plants and animals; more a problem losing habitats to humans changing the environment for development, no evidence on this scale = fail
40+ years on and none of these have occurred or look like happening any time soon.
“This is not fiction or exaggeration”
Yes it is 100%.
“it is what science tells us will result from our current energy policies.”
No it doesn’t, there isn’t enough fossil fuels on the planet to burn the worse case scenario that this relies on from a model, NOT observations.
We know who is lying.
It seems not to matter who is lying.
The fact that he can say these things and have it published, rather than being drowned out by the laughter of everyone within earshot, is proof enough of that.
It seems to unfortunately be the case that scary lies will convince many more people than the rational truth, plainly spoken, can disabuse of those lies.
And it is now obvious that for a large percentage of people, innate intelligence and even higher education do nothing to innoculate one from this virulent form of contagion.
Agreed as it is given a free pass and not even questioned leading to propaganda continuing. The truth and lies still need to made known for the good of science.
Media love a scary story even when it is false.
People do try and go against it, but the most common responce has been labelled the D-word. Worse, some have been sacked and this has prevented science debates or sometimes just been plain ignored.
It has not been about science for a long time.
They’ve been flogging it to death, here in Ireland. Getting lots of coverage and they’re not finished yet. A special treat/threat scheduled for This Thursday, to scare the kids good and proper.
To quote a clueless journalist on the radio this morning, ”Adapt or Die”