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Essay by Eric Worrall
Climate warnings appear to have finally jumped the shark even with liberal media audiences, with reporters focusing on issues people care about, like the economy and Russia’s war with Ukraine.
Dire warning on climate change ‘is being ignored’ amid war and economic turmoil
The third segment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report is being overshadowed, just like the previous one
Fiona Harvey
Sun 3 Apr 2022 17.45 AESTScientists fear that their last-ditch climate warnings are going unheeded amid international turmoil caused by the war in Ukraine, and soaring energy prices.
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But the previous instalment of the vast report – known as working group 2 of the IPCC – was published a month ago, just as Russia invaded Ukraine, and received only muted attention, despite warning of catastrophic and irreversible upheavals that can only narrowly be avoided by urgent action now. Scientists told the Observer that Monday’s fresh scientific warning must spur governments to belated action.Advertisementhttps://43324aa3403c63d52032174b2f6f751f.safeframe.googlesyndication.com/safeframe/1-0-38/html/container.html
Deborah Brosnan, adjunct professor of biology at Virginia Tech University in the US and a scientific consultant, told the Observer: “That [working group 2] report was widely anticipated, but completely ignored. Eclipsed mostly by the war in Ukraine, and domestic issues such as inflation, most major media have barely reported let alone analysed the findings.”
She said people were shocked by the Ukraine war, and concerned about soaring prices, but that the climate crisis also needed urgent attention. “The war in Ukraine is a terrible tragedy playing out before our eyes, and families rightly fear being pushed into poverty by inflation. Yet we seem blind to the fact that an even larger and existential crisis is already unfolding today – one that will result in a global humanitarian crisis and on a scale never seen before.”
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/03/dire-warning-on-climate-change-is-being-ignored-amid-war-and-economic-turmoil
Poor climate alarmists. They thought they had everything neatly worked out, a carefully planned campaign of interlocking claims, carefully orchestrated to try to ratchet up the alarm and shake the public out of their entirely justified climate apathy. Then a real problem arose and messed up their entire campaign.
Climate Doomism is such a tough gig. I mean, not only do they have to compete with all this other, actual stuff happening, but they have to alarm people, but not so much that they just say, “so what’s the point anyway”? “We’re doomed no matter what”, and so they just give up. So what we’re seeing are dual, or even duelling climate messaging, with some of them, like Guterres screaming about how bad things are, and how we’ve all failed, blah blah blah, and then others saying “wait a minute, things aren’t so bad yet, we can still fix this, blah, blah, blah. I don’t know how the climate loons do it.
This evening, on BBC’s flagship radio news programme (PM), following days of unbelievably harrowing stories of Russian war atrocities across Ukraine, the editors decided that the running order should focus, first on the UN’s assertion that we’re all going to fry because of CC, followed by an item about the new symptoms of Covid! War crimes came a poor third.
So far have BBC priorities fallen – along with their integrity.
Let’s get back to our big star that may matter to the climate change.
Surprisingly, the current SC25 is still following the one from just over a century with with only couple of months out of phase.
Are we going to get the early 19th century climate?
Unlikely.
But how come that the sun remember what it did 107 years?
If it does remember, I have no idea.
Instead I would ask what forces it to do so. Some of us may think we know, but let’s pass on that one.
Here is up to date graph
What is recorded by the graph? What does SC 24-25 mean?
SC – sunspot cycle
typo ‘20th century climate’
I commented above prior to seeing your correction here.
-Nick
Do you mean early 20th century?
Early 19th was 200 years ago.
Anywho, I am pretty sure that the jet stream, for example, does not need to recall where it was last Spring or in any past Springs in order to be in the same place and same state right now as in many of those past times.
It simply has to respond the same way to whatever causes it do to what it does, the same way and according to the same physical laws as it has always done.
My cat sits with her front paws folded under, exactly the same as a cat I had decades ago, and a thousand miles away. And I am pretty sure it is not because they read the same style guides.
A computer-generated fantasy catastrophe and the catastrophic solutions (that were supposed to take much longer to materialize) meets a real one that has upset the timetable.
(Just like the frog in the pot on the stove. Slowly raise the heat, and it will sit there till it dies. Raise the heat suddenly and it will hop out.)
The truth is that the frog will jump out when the water gets uncomfortable.
People are getting pretty darned uncomfortable.
Unfortunately, the collective population of the world have let themselves be put in a far worse situation than can be solved by anything so simple and easily accomplished as a frog jumping out of a pan of water.
You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time…
it’s unfortunate that the latter are all in politics and the media. But don’t worry, it’s beginning to dawn on everyone else that they’ve been had. The anger will be wondrous to behold.
I don’t have words to describe shallow, callous people like Deborah Brosnan. She is more concerned about an unproven theory than a war where people are dying daily or certain wide spread poverty. She is contemptible.
It is worse than an unproven theory.
It is not a clearly enunciated hypothesis for one thing.
All of the predictions were contrived in advance, several decades ago, all of the corroborating data is faked, and all of the so-called solutions solve nothing, are incapable of solving anything, besides wholesale and massive transfer of wealth and political power from those of limited means to those who are already objectively the holders of vast wealth.
If we lived in a world where people get what they deserve, we would all live to see her and everyone of her abjectly idiotic ilk be shamed and dismissed from public discourse in humiliated disgrace for being not even wrong and for causing hundreds of millions of people to be impoverished and in countless other ways being severely harmed due to their outright abdication of anything resembling objectivity or honest investigation.
Readers of the Guardian know and are hiding under the table crippled by climate anxiety…
There is actually assistance for Climate Anxiety in the UK .. I kid you not
https://mentalhealth-uk.org/blog/what-is-climate-anxiety-and-what-can-you-do-about-it/
Climate anxiety is one of those problems that, if you ignore it, it really will go away.
I think it’s a good reason for a paid day off work … I can’t work today Boss I am anxious about Climate Change and need to seek help :-).
Warmunism fatigue is real. One can only stay alarmed at the same set of talking points for so long before getting bored, or realizing that the talking points may not actually be true, or relevant, to one’s actual life.
Redistributive change is wanted, forcing competing interests to take a knee is sought, but securing the natural resources throughout the Russian territory is a forward-looking imperative. South Africa, Syria, Libya… part deux.
I’ve been hearing these same warnings for the last 40 years and not one of them has ever come true.
All the scientists that made the original warnings are now retired. Maybe the younger scientists would get a clue that people have memories and don’t appreciate being lied to, but then again maybe not.
We may even need to abandon farms and double up or triple the number of households in one flat—like Poland with refugees right now. Wake up climate con men!
Okay, how is this being handled in the daily intel briefing inside the Kremlin?
What, you mean after they’ve stopped laughing at us?
Most reasonable people are sick and tired of the decades long climate alarmism bs that never happens or is simply wrong to begin with and represents pure political propaganda.
Yup.
And like the person speaking a foreign language to others who do not understand it, they seem to be under the impression that if they keep saying what they say over and over again, but louder and more urgently and at greater length, that will solve what they see as the problem.
Hi
Does anyone have a recent value of the current temperature compared to the 1.5C.
Where are we at.
Thanks
I dunno, Ozonebust, but nowhere close to the Eemian high temperatures… and dangit! The Earth had the temerity to go into a glaciation after working up such a good sweat.
The nerve of that Gaia! Harrumph!
According to longstanding conventional wisdom on this, we have had something like 1 degree of the 1.5 already, when using the mid or late 1800s as a starting point.
The original panic number was 2 degrees, but as it had become apparent about halfway through the last decade, even the climate mafia could not manufacture that much fake warming.
So they changed the amount from 2 to 1.5 degrees, that would cause thermageddon to commence.
Note that the 2 degrees was itself pulled out of someones…um…hat, and there was never any study, evidence, or factual reason to think this arbitrary number was anything based on fact.
Then again, even though we are in an ice age, and everyone knows warmer temps are far preferable for humans and crops and life in general, all it took was an assertion couched in scary language to gaslight the world into thinking warming was bad instead of good, and for that matter that CO2 was a noxious pollutant and poison rather than the essential raw material of the biosphere which in fact is in dangerously short supply in recent Earth history and the current day.
It has frequently been far more than 2 degrees warmer than the present (and well over 3 more than 1850), over the past 8 to 10 thousand years.
The warmest such time was notable for being far more beneficent for life than the present day is, featuring such differences with the present as a Sahara region that was a verdantly green, dotted from end to end with lakes and ponds, and crisscrossed with stream and rivers.
That is the sort of thing one learns when one looks for actual evidence of what a warmer world is like.
So much for warmer temps being a catastrophe.
Ozonebust
April 4, 2022 2:30 pm
Hi
Does anyone have a recent value of the current temperature compared to the 1.5C.
Where are we at.
Thanks
I seem to recall reading that we’re almost a degree and a half above the ‘pre-industrial’ temperatures.
I certainly do NOT wish to return to that climate.
Obviously a further 0.2 or 0.3 [C] warming will lead to the end of life on Earth, and probably rather poor postal services on Sundays, or something. . . .
My thoughts are with the people of Ukraine – not officious proto-elitists.
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The Guardian is a founding organization behind Covering Climate Now — a propaganda group of journalists and media outlets to promote and proselytize climate alarm which continually demands that its members move any climate news to the front page.
They are a major part of the climate problem.
Enhanced it for ya Kip.
🙂
Fixed it for poor fiona the liar..
“Scientists fear that their latest and most dire over thirty years of last-ditch climate warnings“
Apparently none of these kooks have ever read about the boy who cried “wolf”!
Prof. Brosnan needs to realize the public apathy is because the public understands the science far better than she does. Climate is a chaotic, non-linear system. Climate “science” claims it is linear and uni-directional. This is false. Our childish attempts to model climate are dismal failures with long term error bars magnitudes above and below forecasted values.
I tell my friends concerned about the next 1 degree of warming to move 100 miles north to avoid being cooked to death.
I thought the climate alarmist scientists were going to go on strike until people started to pay attention to them.
What happened to that?
Now it appears Plan B is a Whining Campaign.
The only real question is whether it is them who have the short memory, or that they think everyone else does.
They seem baffled by the fact that most give no credence to their dire panic mongering.
“despite warning of catastrophic and irreversible upheavals that can only narrowly be avoided by urgent action now.”
So, there’s no evidence of climate catastrophe, yet. But just you wait!
Real dead bodies now always trumps modeled ones.
“Barely Reporting”
Huh ? My news feeds are choc-a-bloc with climate drivel….
You’re not wrong but occasionally they report a dose of reality-
We’re Not Even Close to EVs Being as Cheap as Gas Cars, Mercedes Says (msn.com)
Klaus from BMW told the dunderheads in 2018 about that-
Frölich doesn’t believe that when lithium-ion batteries for EVs are being produced in huge number that their cost will fall. Some of the metals used to make them will instead become more expensive, he predicts.
BMW executive says electric cars will always cost more than conventional cars | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site
This is total garbage. That figure of 3.2 C comes from compute models with strong positive feedbacks built into them, feedbacks which in reality are inactive. The principle one is the Clausius Clapeyron . 7% per K water vapour increase. In theory, it might happen, in reality there has been no recorded increase in water vapour, NVAP-M, ISCCP, RE2 etc show no increase. We are therefore left with the rather mild warming from CO2, of which we have had 87% already, so regardless of how much more we produce, there is very little warming to come. And that is the simple science of it.
I would remind people of something I have said before.
Many comment that this is the same old all over again – that is, some time period is picked by which action must be taken or disaster. The countries doing the most and most rapidly growing emitting either nod their heads or maintain a polite silence. Nothing much is done, emissions keep rising, the date nears, and a new date is announced with equally terrifying predictions if not met.
People here commonly point to the intellectual and policy absurdity of this sequence, and keep pointing to how it plays out over and over again.
The point is, this is the wrong way to look at it, and the wrong way to argue against it. The failure to implement the programs which the activists demand is a feature not a bug. Its an essential advantage for them. The absurdity, as long at it doesn’t go beyond a certain point, is also an advantage.
What the activists need is a long lived cause. They need some measures that they can continually demand and organize around.
The last thing they need is for any of it to be implemented on the required scale, or to work if implemented. For an activist, its great if huge amounts of wind farms can be built, and then fail to work. Why? Because it leaves you with the issue, you can carry on with your invested intellectual capital, and demand more wind farms, or more solar, or less energy use, or more insulation. Whatever, you don’t really care, as long as you don’t have to abandon climate as an issue to organize around.
It is actually preferable for the activists if what they demand is impossible to do. Net Zero in the UK is a classic. The reason is, there is then no risk of the movement being held accountable for having advocated failed policies.
It is especially important for activists not to join government and enter office. The German and Scottish Greens appear to have forgotten that. The German Greens have found themselves having to classify both nuclear and some fossil fuels as green. The Scottish Greens are faced with having to decide whether they really, really do want to close down the Scottish oil industry and try and replace it with wind farms. These are both things that any rational activists will run a mile from. Never demand things which the existing government can do, and never join a government which is responsible for adopting policies.
The IPCC is not in the unfortunate position of being offered role in government. So it and its activists can keep playing the game for report after report. In a few years time the same thing will happen. More in sorrow than anger there will be a report forecasting disaster unless mankind turns away from fossil fuels. The date will be a new later date, about ten years out, as it was last time. There will be another generation chaining itself to fences or gluing themselves to roadways or blocking refineries. Having driven there in the 4 x 4s.
One day, I guess in about 2040, historians will start digging into the history of this movement, and not having read or heard of Alinsky they will be absolutely astonished when they discover that the history is as outlined above. Why, they will ask, did they not find a more effective way to go about their goals? They will, you see, assume that the goals of the movement were to reduce emissions.
In fact, the goals were solely to organize, using emissions and climate as an issue to organize around. They never cared much about climate, it was just a very successful organizing point. Just like Stop the War never cared either way about Iraq. Its use was to get a million or more people out on the streets. Now that, they did care about.
Emissions by 2040 will be around 45-50 billion tons a year. And nothing much will have happened to global temperatures. And there will still be protests, demonstrations and lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the Guardian. And the IPCC will still be reporting.
Thank you for that very astute observation.
When an announcement of coming disaster is made on camera by a garden gnome like mr Guttieres, then only fools will pay any attention. And guardianistas, of course.
I see the guardianistas aint happy with Canada and Norway copouts in cahoots while their world is on fire-
The world is on fire. Why is Canada considering massive new oil drilling? (msn.com)
After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there has been a shameful attempt by fossil fuel proponents in Canada, seemingly echoed by the premier of Newfoundland, to justify Bay du Nord as an answer for ending dependence on Russian fossil fuels
What’s not to like about Gaia’s natural oil in the lands of freedom lefties? We don’t want no steenking totalitarian commie oil. LOL.
When the IPCC is proved right on the climate disaster, I suppose Watts readers will be gone and not subject to regret…
Ain’t gonna happen, griff. You really should stop worrying, it’s bad for you.
What is to regret we had a choice we made it … regret is for self guilt losers who can’t accept consequences for their decisions.
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The issue you fail to address is prohibition has never worked on anything from drugs, nukes, alcohol etc so why would any intelligent person try it on emissions. So beyond believing you, activists and climate scientists …. your only solution you suggest fails a basic IQ test.
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How many times do you need to be lied to before you realize that what you want is never going to happen 🙂
Just wondered what your affiliation is with advocacy groups since you are here daily and refer to Watts readers as “them” but not you.
I am a member of no group, society or political party, green organisation or anything else relevant to the subject matter of Watts.
I just have an interest in climate science
I love the weasel words “relevant to the subject matter of Watts”.
Of course griff has been very vocal about his desire to strictly limit what we here are allowed to talk about.
Most of the groups that are driving the global warming scam have nothing to do with climate, in their organization’s name.
From memory Ed is employed in the solar industry.
So far all of the IPCC’s predictions have proven to be wrong. Why do assume that this is going to be the only one they get right?
so far the IPCC is batting 0 with their wild guesses.
Maybe they would do better if they invested in a new crystal ball to rub