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UN Secretary General Lashes Out at “Climate Holdout” Australia

Time for a new UN Secretary General? Following on from scolding the entire G20 for failing the holy 1.5C climate mission, Secretary General António Guterres has criticised Australia for not keeping up with the climate efforts of other G20 nations.

UN Secretary-General labels Australia a ‘holdout’ for refusing to do more on climate change

The UN Secretary-General has branded Australia a “holdout” for refusing to do more to cut greenhouse gas emissions this decade.

Published 22 March 2022 at 8:17am
Source: AAP

The United Nations secretary-general has called Australia a “holdout” after Scott Morrison refused to strengthen the nation’s 2030 emissions reduction target.

AdvertisementAntónio Guterres has used an address to a sustainability summit to take an extraordinary public swipe at Australia’s climate change efforts.

“A growing number of G20 developed economies have announced meaningful emissions reductions by 2030 – with a handful of holdouts, such as Australia,” he said.

He said the Paris climate pact’s ambition of limiting global warming to 1.5C was “on life support” but there was still something that could save it.

“Keeping 1.5 alive requires a 45 per cent reduction in global emissions by 2030 and carbon neutrality by mid-century. That problem was not solved in Glasgow,” the UN chief said.

Read more: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australia-a-holdout-on-climate-un-chief/jzufkwmqw

Sadly Guterres may get his way with Australia.

The ruling Aussie Conservative Coalition, which despite my frequent criticism has so far resisted calls to completely shut down coal, is doing badly in the polls, and may lose to a green Labor coalition in this year’s federal election.

Their Labor Party opponents seem genuinely committed to shutting down coal and much of the rest of the Australian economy in the name of the climate crisis, as opposed to the current ruling federal coalition’s mostly empty green posturing, and have frequently relied on Green Party support to form governments. So even if Labor wins an outright majority in this year’s federal election, they are likely to want to keep the greens close, just in case they need them again in the future.

Even if the coalition somehow scrapes through and secures a win, senior figures in the ruling coalition, like federal treasurer Josh Frydenberg, seem fully onboard with Net Zero and the economically illiterate green hydrogen revolution, and may persuade colleagues to do something radical as part of a desperate effort to save their political skins.

So it seems likely that tough times are ahead for Australia, whichever major party wins the next election.

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Mark Amey
March 22, 2022 10:02 pm

Tell ‘im ‘es dreamin’.

judy Ryan
Reply to  Mark Amey
March 23, 2022 4:28 am

The odd thing is that  we and many other knowledgable people; love Co2  is because it is heavier than air. Therefore, when coal combusts in the chimney of a power station heat causes all the gases (air) to rise and emerge from the chimney. But, as C02 is heavier than air it gradually sinks to the ground as it is dispersed by the wind. Once there, it is essential for the survival of all ground level vegetation on planet Earth. The vegetation absorbs C02 and converts it to oxygen  for all other forms of life on planet Earth to breath (photosynthesis). 

OweninGA
Reply to  judy Ryan
March 23, 2022 4:56 am

To be technical…CO2 is converted to sugar and oxygen is released from some of the water molecules, but I get the point.

Mark Amey
Reply to  OweninGA
March 23, 2022 5:29 am

Thanks to you both for your comments. I was channeling Darryl Kerrigan, the dad in The Castle. Anything that he thought was unreasonable deserved the response. “Tell ’em they’re dreamin'” If he thought anything worthy of high praise, like his daughter acheiving her Certificate in Hairdressing, then, it was, “Goin’ over the pool table” (on the wall). I’m sure Mr Worrall may have watched the Castle?

layor nala
March 22, 2022 10:07 pm

Time for Guterres, Un and especially the mendacious IPPC disappeared. To save you looking up mendacious I will give you my former boss’s definition – lying untruthful ba*&^%ds. The IPPC has put us at the feet of Putin with their ridiculous interpretations of climate changes so-called ‘science’.

Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  layor nala
March 22, 2022 10:21 pm

IPCC. Really though, it’s the UNFCCC that needs to disappear.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 23, 2022 3:22 am

Sorry to disagree with a climate hero like Joel, but it is the whole crappy edifice of the UN, not just the corrupt, lying UNFCCC, which needs to go.

Just look how they continually pick on Israel. Whilst they are fine with Iran and China.

H.R.
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
March 23, 2022 4:30 am

So you’re saying Joel is picking lint out of the navel of the UN ogre and we should just go ahead and slay the ogre?

Hmmm… I can get behind that.

Clive
Reply to  H.R.
March 23, 2022 4:39 am

I understand Guterres was president of Socialists International before being recruited by the UN.

Graham
Reply to  Clive
March 24, 2022 12:53 am

Gutterres was elected by the UN to be the Secretary General of the UN.
He was elected ahead of Helen Clark a former Labour Prime Minister of New Zealand .
He is far left very close to a communist and the whole UN is in need of a shake up with the way it is has developed the last 40 years.
It is not a democratic institution but a fan club ,you rub my back , I will rub yours.
It has been taken over by climate zealots thinking that they can save the world from climate change, a problem that does not exist .
It is all about control .
There should be no vetoes and if the UN was living up to its charter Russia would have been told to stay out of the Ukraine or else.

Latitude
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
March 23, 2022 9:52 am

more that just fine with China….

for the past 50 years….all of the increase in CO2…ie global warming….has come from China

and they are ragging on Au

Sommer
Reply to  layor nala
March 23, 2022 1:35 pm

We need to thoroughly understand the connections between the UN and the WEF.

https://www.weforum.org/press/2019/06/world-economic-forum-and-un-sign-strategic-partnership-framework/

jelly34
Reply to  Sommer
March 24, 2022 3:17 pm

They are both slimy little NOBODIES,who have somehow weaseled their way into our lives with the help of OUR politicians.They are a danger to world peace.

OldGreyGuy
March 22, 2022 10:14 pm

I mean seriously? The G20 includes such notable climate leaders such as China, India, Indonesia, etc? I believe all of these countries are in a building program for coal fired power stations and Australia’s stupid political parties (Green, Labor and Liberal) are in a race to the bottom to shut down all our current coal & gas generators and replace them with so called renewables without bothering to understand minimum requirements for energy usage and generating capability.

griff
Reply to  OldGreyGuy
March 23, 2022 1:11 am

You listed the last 3 countries with a coal plant programme there…

Everyone else is moving on and off coal.

JoHo
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 1:34 am

Griff, do you have solar panels and/or a wind turbine to power your house?

leitmotif
Reply to  JoHo
March 23, 2022 1:42 am

griff just opens his cheeks and he’s got enough gas to heat the street.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:03 am

Coal fired power stations per country
China – 1,110
India – 285
USA – 240
Japan – 91
Indonesia – 84
Russia – 72
Germany – 63
Poland – 44
Turkey – 34
Vietnam – 26
Czechia – 24
Philippines – 24
South Korea – 23
Kazakhstan – 21
Ukraine – 21
Taiwan – 20
Australia – 19
South Africa – 19

The UK is not included as there are not enough to make the list and the remaining 3 will be closed. All newish economies will be building lots of new coal fired power stations. I choose the term ‘newish’ instead of developing because it’s hard to describe China and India as developing when they own steal and car plants in the UK and each have healthy space industries.

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Alba
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
March 23, 2022 2:25 am

Sorry for saying this, because we all make mistakes, but I was tickled by the juxtaposition of ‘own’ and ‘steal’.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Alba
March 23, 2022 3:07 am

Oops. Typing in haste.

Ron Long
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
March 23, 2022 3:17 am

Naw, Stephen, take credit for “steal”, it’s a good one.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alba
March 24, 2022 8:33 pm

Interesting list
China = 1,110 coal power stations
All others = 1,110 coal power stations combined

Dennis
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
March 23, 2022 2:59 am

Two more coal fired power stations in New South Wales, Australia, are planned for closure soon.

The Federal Government has been trying hard to gain State support for approval of 4 gas fired generators, 1 so far approved for Hunter Valley New South Wales. And woke State Cabinet Ministers talking up batteries and more wind and solar installations to replace the power station generator units.

Graham
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
March 24, 2022 12:56 am

Steal plants?

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:11 am

Those three countries account for about a third of the World population.

Alba
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:22 am

So what, they are there, aren’t they? Or are you denying that these countries are in the G20? The point which you may have missed is that if the UN General Secretary is going to criticise any countries it should be those three, not Australia. There’s little point in banging on about targets and reductions when those three are going their merry way in the totally opposite direction. This is the point that griff and his allies just don’t seem to get. Every time someone shouts ‘China’ griff and his allies just put their hands over their ears.

Dennis
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:42 am

Griff the latest news in Australia is the rising demand for coal and iron ore and therefore export market prices for these products.

Not so well publicised are the several proposed new coal mining ventures held up in the State Government approval systems.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 4:34 pm

Termal coal, or metallurgical coal?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 7:23 am

How much by volume?

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 9:36 am

How many times do you have to be told that the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity since the year 2000 to around 2045GW.That is an increase of over 1000GW and that capacity has many decades of life ahead of it.

China, India and Indonesia are continuing to increase that capacity.

Bryan A
March 22, 2022 10:17 pm

At #14 spot on the global emitter stage, it is plain to see that Australia could certainly have an effect on global emissions and as the #1 emitter, China couldn’t possibly have ANY effect /sarc
Rank..country………emissions……….population….global%
1………China…10,432,751,400…..1,414,049,351….29.18%
14..Australia……..414,988,700……….24,262,712……1.16%

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Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Bryan A
March 22, 2022 10:23 pm

Facts long ago departed the climate scam.

lee
Reply to  Bryan A
March 22, 2022 10:31 pm

And according to China’s TANSat, Japan’s GOSAT and NASA’s OCO-2 Australia is a carbon sink. Do they want us to increase emissions to “Net Zero”?

John in Oz
Reply to  lee
March 23, 2022 3:22 pm

I pointed to the OCO-2 results to the Oz PM in a letter and ‘he’ (probably his minders) responded with the usual disagreement and a diatribe of their moves to limit CO2.

I received the same, almost identical, letter when I pointed out that our illustrious CSIRO states that the Southern Hemisphere is a carbon sink. In disagreeing with my point he also disagreed with the CSIRO which he holds to be one of the government’s expert sources used to justify the net zero aims.

Colour me confused.

Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
March 22, 2022 10:20 pm

Aussies, Start brushing up on your Mandarin.
Google up some pangolin recipes for the barbie. Your soon-to-be Sino overlords aren’t quite keen on wallaby.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 22, 2022 11:42 pm

An erstwhile Australian Prime Minister allegedly fluent in Mandarin rehearses a speech he is to give to a Chinese audience:

H B
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 23, 2022 12:37 am

Rudd the commie traitor deserves a rope

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  H B
March 23, 2022 3:27 am

And don’t forget Gilliard….

Dennis
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
March 23, 2022 3:36 am

Who merged her Socialist Forum faction with Australian Fabian Society before being appointed Deputy Leader to Opposition Leader Rudd.

In 2006 he explained on ABC Compass television programme that he is a Christian Socialist as his friend UK PM Blair also is.

Bryan A
Reply to  H B
March 23, 2022 6:30 am

H B
Reply to
Chris Hanley
March 23, 2022 12:37 am

Rudd the commie traitor deserves a rope

That’s Noose to me

Dennis
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 23, 2022 3:34 am

Never a diplomat as claimed to be, diplomatic staffer in the positions of second and later first secretary to Ambassadors, was reported in Australian media outlets having been asked, as a Mandarin speaker, to greet guests at a dinner in China. According to the reports guests were taken aback when he told them to have intercourse with their grandmothers, using far more colourful wording.

Rowatt
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 8:38 pm

Sir Les Pattison?

Frank from NoVA
March 22, 2022 10:23 pm

‘The ruling Aussie Conservative Coalition, which despite my frequent criticism has so far resisted calls to completely shut down coal, is doing badly in the polls, and may lose to a green Labor coalition in this year’s federal election.’

I’m not very familiar with ‘Aussie’ politics, but is this because the ruling Conservative Coalition that rightly ‘resisted calls to completely shut down coal’ is the same ruing Conservative Coalition that knelt on the electorate’s neck during Covid?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 23, 2022 12:35 am

No. This is the same ruling Conservative Coalition that refused utterly to even discuss the respective rights of Federal and State governments, said ‘we only control the international borders’ and then let the State Governments knell on the voter’s necks while they said ‘NAH NAH NAH Can’t Overrule the States NAH NAH NAH not listening NAH NAH NAH!’.

Guilt by Cowardliness.

Dennis
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 23, 2022 2:46 am

Not so Craig, please research constitutional laws and Federation of States, areas of responsibilities and powers at each of the three levels of government in Australia.

And Federal Government has no power to interfere in State Government legislation via State Parliaments, such as the Emergency Powers legislation covering COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns etc.

Your comments help the Labor State Governments that also blame Federal to cover their tracks and for election purposes to fool voters.

And, Federal controls our international borders, States control interstate borders. A court challenge in a Western Australia court of law upheld the State right to close the interstate border, an appeal to the High Court of Australia supported the State decision.

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MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 3:33 am

I think it is fair to say that very few politicians have covered themselves with glory over their response to Covid. And Oz has been worse than many other countries.

But our chums in the MSM have managed to terrify the population, just as they have over Zero Carbon.

jelly34
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
March 24, 2022 3:34 pm

Education around the world have been spreading their poison for many years and have conditioned our yough to believe leftard lies to the point that left is right and up is down.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 5:56 pm

Letter of the law and spirit of the law.

If you hide behind the letter of the law rather than attempting to defend the spirit of the law then you are passing responsibility.

The spirit and intent of Australian law has never been to oppress the population or deny them the ability to live socially responsible lives.

There is a name for people who stick to the letter of the law above all reason. They are called Lawyers and we all know what the general public really think of them.

Dennis
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 23, 2022 6:28 pm

“And Federal Government has no power to interfere in State Government legislation via State Parliaments, such as the Emergency Powers legislation covering COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns etc.”

Dennis
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 23, 2022 2:01 am

The Commonwealth of Australia is a Federation of States and the States were the original British Colonial Governments before Federation and they retained most of the areas of responsibility and powers after Federation and they created the Federal Government to be responsible for international affairs and certain national affairs.

The COVID-19 lockdowns and restrictions, interstate border closures, were State Government imposed based on Emergency Powers legislation approved by State Parliaments, enforced by State Health, State Police and other State authorities.

Many Australians do not realise this and tend to blame the Federal Government, the States governed by the Federal Opposition Party, the ALP, have done their best to mislead voters while at the same time upsetting voters.

The Federal Government attempted to gain cooperation and coordination between State Premiers (and the two Territory Premiers) by establishing what was confusingly named National Leaders Cabinet. It is not a real government cabinet just a Forum, the Prime Minister has no power to instruct the Premiers and few options to force them to do anything, the options exist but would lead to disunity and voter perception would probably turn against the Prime Minister, as it already has done to some extent, based on false premises and voter ignorance on the three levels of government (Federal, State and Local Government Councils) and responsibilities.

Add to that left leaning media that unprofessionally in my opinion are willing to produce deceptive stories, as they did during the late 2019 into 2020 bushfires following the long dry drought, and now the floods, ignoring that natural disaster assistance and relief for the people is primarily a State Government responsibility.

And yes, The Australian Federal Government refused at COP26 to ban coal mining and exports. Also to increase Paris Agreement emissions target for 2030, and to commit to net zero emissions for 2050, the reason was given by the Prime Minister being that Australia has “an aspirational goal” for net zero based on research and development of new technology, if possible, and without damaging the economy.

Regarding the WEF, the Prime Minister during January 2022 addressed the WEF Davos Conference by video link and told delegates that Australia will not adopt the WEF economic model, Australia will continue to support free enterprise (capitalism for leftists) and businesses to achieve increased economic prosperity into the future.

Annoyingly, media and of course opposition politicians fail to acknowledge these matters and try hard to divert voter’s attention.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 2:29 am

“Add to that left leaning media that unprofessionally in my opinion are willing to produce deceptive stories”

You are too kind. The leftwing media deserves harsher criticism. They are the most dangerous force in our societies. People cannot govern themselves properly if they are lied to all the time, and the leftwing media lies to them all the time. Note the large number of leftwing idiots that have been elected to public office in recent years. Effective lying.

Dennis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 23, 2022 3:05 am

Thank you Tom, I agree with your description and in my experience, based on emailed letters to various of those leftist journalists over years past, they are prepared to attempt to reply suggesting that my comments are inaccurate: eg; one claimed the PM and was responsible for bushfires when very clearly natural disasters including bushfires and floods, cyclones, are State areas of responsibility, State Emergency Service funded by State Budgets, State Rural Fire Service NSW and other front line services.

The ADF can only become involved when State Government requests their assistance via the Federal Government. At the start of the floods in NSW and QLD recently at first ADF suggested support was rejected in the first instance and later when desperately called for some had the hide to blame the Federal Government and the ADF for reacting too late.

jelly34
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
March 24, 2022 3:28 pm

And that is why they are doing so bad in the polls(if you can believe them)

LdB
March 22, 2022 10:47 pm

Not sure too many Australians would care what that overpaid and useless loser said … the expression go get a real job comes to mind.

Bob
March 22, 2022 10:49 pm

This whole net zero and 1.5C increase is nothing more than shameful lies. Since the climate alarmists are so experienced at manufacturing statistics I think they should just say we have already passed the 1.5C benchmark and nothing happened so let’s forget the whole thing.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bob
March 23, 2022 2:41 am

Well, we got up to 1.2C above their average according to NASA, in 2016. Since that time the temperatures have cooled by 0.7C, so we are currently heading away from the dreaded 1.5C benchmark and doing so without reining in CO2. it’s just business as usual.

CO2 Derangement Syndrom is a great danger to any nation caught up in this delusion. There is no evidence that CO2 is harmful in any way, yet world leaders proceed as if there is, based on nothing but assumptions. No hard evidence exists.

The Free World has a Mass Delusion problem fed by conniving politicians and the leftwing media. This delusion is in the process of destroying our societies.

We here at WUWT are doing our part to nip this insanity in the bud by calling it out for what it is: A Mass Delusion of Epic proportions.

Bob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 24, 2022 6:12 pm

I’m with you.

aussiecol
March 22, 2022 10:59 pm

Australia emits 1.5% of global emissions and gets a grilling, meanwhile China emits 30% unabated. Go figure.

aussiecol
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 22, 2022 11:53 pm

And just to add,
”…is doing badly in the polls, and may lose to a green Labor coalition in this year’s federal election.”
I hope your wrong Eric. I am really holding my hopes up that the ”mean girls” saga may just get the Liberals over the line.

jelly34
Reply to  aussiecol
March 24, 2022 3:40 pm

We can beat the politicians by following these instructions.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 23, 2022 10:44 am

Eric, remind me.

Where was it that the No.1 crook in this whole putrid Climate Crapfest, Canadian Maurice Strong, went to ground, after being hunted when millions of dollars from the Iraq “cash for oil” scam accidentally got stuck to his fingers??

Hmmm. Was it Cannes? Blackpool?Tahiti? The South Sandwich Islands?

Hmmm. Now I remember – it was China. Where the CCP took care of vetting visitors until he tragically died.

Or at least, until perhaps a pair of pumps with “Maurice Strong” written inside were found on some river bank.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  aussiecol
March 22, 2022 11:15 pm

Ah, but those Chinese emissions are high-quality good emissions, whereas all those emitted by you Aussies are bad emissions, just like those of the Western World are all bad, & I am certain the UNIPCC can prove it using a puter model. As a matter of interest, has the UN calculated whose emissions are worse, Russia’s or the Ukraine’s???

Tom Abbott
Reply to  aussiecol
March 23, 2022 2:46 am

“Australia emits 1.5% of global emissions and gets a grilling, meanwhile China emits 30% unabated.”

Guterres is a hypocrit. He attacks Australia because he can. He wouldn’t dare call out the Chicoms. He’s such a coward.

Derg
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 23, 2022 2:55 am

Who pays Guterres?

Disputin
Reply to  Derg
March 23, 2022 4:03 am

We do.

Bryan A
Reply to  Derg
March 23, 2022 2:42 pm

The Chicoms of course

Mike
March 22, 2022 11:32 pm

Tell him to f**k off.
The worldwide extraction, use, and price of coal will continue to go up for the next several decades. The virtue signaling CEOs of all the woke companies and banks who have turned their backs on coal will come scurrying back to it when they FINALLY realize that apart from nuclear power, it is the only real option to keep the lights on.
(oh, and to make a real profit as opposed to a taxpayer funded one – unless we can sell sunshine and breezes of course…)

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Megs
March 22, 2022 11:39 pm

Scott Morrison is the same prime minister who took a lump of coal into parliament just a few short years ago and told the ministers on both sides that coal was not to be feared. Now he’s pushing the ‘clean and green’.

Where’d he go? He must have been swapped out.

Megs
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 22, 2022 11:48 pm

Ha ha ha..so funny. That must be what happened! And not just to him.

100+

Mike
Reply to  Megs
March 22, 2022 11:45 pm

I’m hoping that if he gets re-elected, he might say something like, ”we tried, but solar panels and batteries don’t work. We need coal for security reasons. Sorry” (I’m sure that’s what he believes)
That’s what I’m hoping. If he loses, all bets are off.

Megs
Reply to  Mike
March 23, 2022 12:21 am

The elections are fast approaching Mike so you’re not likely to get your wish. If Scotty hasn’t learned any lessons from the renewables disasters of the Northern Hemisphere then it’s pretty obvious it’s all about agenda.

Australian politics are really weird now. It’s not like we have a choice of left and right in regard to the two major parties. Scotty acted like he understood his ‘quiet Australians’, and has since moved so far left the party is no longer recognisable.

People are talking up the suggestion of voting for the minor parties. Oddly enough I think that many of the ‘quiet Australians’ are considering this as an option. I do believe that their policies are more palatable, and they are ‘against’ renewables and ‘for’ Australian jobs which is what most of us want. I think people need to be very careful about voting for Independents. It’s clear that most of them are backed by billionaires and are running on a platform of climate change and renewables, to the benefit of said billionaires.

If the minor parties don’t have a chance of winning in their own right then there is a chance that a vote for them could backfire and see the Labor Party elected. For readers outside of Australia, that would be like the Democrats coming to power, yes, a disaster.

We are desperate for more voices in parliament so if we can get as many seats from the minor parties as possible then just maybe we can upset the balance of power.

Australians are scared Mike, scared that we will be living under similar conditions to America.

Sorry guys.

Dennis
Reply to  Megs
March 23, 2022 2:23 am

Blame State Labor Governments, Federal Government cannot approve these projects because that is State responsibility and on State land mostly.

The original Snowy Mountains Hydro Electricity Scheme took over ten years of Federal-State negotiations before agreement to proceed was achieved, again based on State land and waterways. The pumped hydro project Snowy 2.0 required the Federal Government to buy all of the State Government’s shares in that government owned private company to get approval to proceed.

Megs
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 3:12 am

The NSW state government is Liberal, and for people outside of Australia that is our equivalent of the American Republicans. We can’t “blame state Labor governments” every time Dennis.

Matt Kean is in charge of the environment and treasury. He is so far left that he would be better suited as a member of the Greens Party. Yet he laughingly calls himself a moderate. He gave ten million dollars to the largest wind turbine manufacturer in China, apparently for research. Why? Wouldn’t ten million dollars have been better spent on research as to whether renewable energy was even feasible? No one globally has done such research. Though it should be blatantly obvious by now that it’s simply not fit for purpose.

The “state significant” projects are rubber stamped by the State Governments. But these projects only exist because of Federal Government funding, or ‘subsidies’. The Federal Government have the power to withdraw subsidies for renewables. Interest would disappear very quickly. Insisting that bonds be paid for decommissioning, recycling and restoration would seal the deal.

Dennis
Reply to  Megs
March 23, 2022 3:55 am

State Governments, not Federal Government, is fully responsible for approval of Development Applications for ventures like wind and solar business installations Megs.

The NSW Government is Liberal and National in Coalition as they have been for many decades past and earlier when Nationals were Country Party.

The present Federal Government is also Coalition but like Union Labor they have factions, Minister Kean is a LINO (Liberal In Name Only leftist globalist and climate hoax follower), the LINO left were established by now former PM Turnbull, a lawyer, business man, merchant banker, family renewables investor, former Goldman Sachs director who called the Coalition the Turnbull Party while he was PM from 2015 to 2018. During his time as PM the Paris Agreement was signed in April 2016 and later ratified November 2016 following the news that POTUS Trump was opposed to signing the Paris Agreement and climate hoax.

The history of renewables in Australia was Kyoto Agreement and a 3% trial only decision based on private sector participation if interested by the Howard led Coalition Government, the Gillard led Labor Government (both Federal) increased the trial to be an about 30% target with carbon tax and renewable energy surcharge on our electricity bills.

State Labor Governments made the decisions to privatise State owned electricity supply assets, power stations and transmission lines, sales completed by Coalition Governments elected too late to stop the privatisation processing.

The renewables subsidies end in 2030 as announced by the Morrison Federal Government 2019 and since despite States encouraging renewable investment the interest level has declined as the end of direct subsidies for investor’s profit is phased out. The Morrison Government has also legislated to better regulate the electricity sector private sector companies to require more competition and related pressure on pricing of electricity.

Another incentive is the AEMO preference given to wind and solar electricity supply forcing power stations to cut back generator unit operation while the so called renewables can deliver, and therefore power stations increasing generator output at other times which is inefficient and a loss of operating profit potential.

The Federal proposals for 4 gas fired generators and 1 HELE coal fired power station I have reported at another post here should be evidence enough of the lack of powers the Federal Government has compared to State Governments in electricity supply and many others, water supply dams is another example.

Megs
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 5:18 am

Excellent description Dennis. It was indeed Turnbull who changed the direction of the party. His son had an interest in the renewables industry. The company was tanking. This was around the time of the signing of the Paris Agreement. Interest in renewables rose rapidly after that, the company changed names and is a big part of the renewables industry here in Australia. I believe that this company is the only one in Australia listed on the stock exchange. Others that were previously listed have delisted to hide their deficiencies. Writedowns and losses have to be declared for listed companies. The renewables industry is a disaster in every respect. The money is made upfront and in most cases the overseas parent owned companies sell the assets early on.

The product is made overseas, the Developer’s are predominantly from overseas and the bulk of the construction work is done by backpackers, from overseas. The Australian content is small and the profits from the sale of the assets go back to the overseas parent company. And the UN is telling us we’re not doing enough! We can’t make a difference no matter what we do!

Turnbull was an arrogant narcissist who cared nothing for the Australian people. Scott Morrison gave us hope for a time, we hadn’t voted for either of them. We thought that Scott Morrison would do the right thing by us. If only he had found the courage to withdraw from the Paris Agreement.

Watching him stand between Boris Johnson and Joe Biden was not a proud moment. Was it supposed to be? These leaders don’t command respect from their own people.

I honestly don’t know how he can redeem himself to the Australian public Dennis.

His ‘quite Australians’ are going to need some convincing.

Sommer
Reply to  Megs
March 23, 2022 1:54 pm

Has anyone calculated the cost of subsidizing your wind projects until their contracts end?

Megs
Reply to  Sommer
March 23, 2022 4:01 pm

There is much secrecy around subsidies. I not sure what the selection criteria is but I know that there are companies that are issued with certificates that they can sell. I have also heard from different sources that turbines are subsidised to the tune of $500,000 to more than $600,000 per turbine per year for at least ten years. I suspect that may be the length of the contract and I assume they would have an option to extend the contract.

The taxpayers are effectively paying for the infrastructure. One of our major electricity retailers AGL ventured into wind and lost $2.8 billion in one contract last year.

None of this takes into account the cost of decommissioning, restoration or rehabilitation. Or who pays for this, and no one seems to ask that question.

jelly34
Reply to  Mike
March 24, 2022 4:16 pm

I do believe that ScoMo(like Greg Hunt and many people in the lib/nats and leibor/greens)have been schooled by Klaus Schwab of the WEF.See:https://rumble.com/embed/vmy0r6/?pub=qnz9d
Scary shit.We are being hoodwinked by OUR betters.

griff
Reply to  Megs
March 23, 2022 1:13 am

and then dashed the hopes of voters, who thought the lump of coal was going to take over…

Megs
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:22 am

Hello griff. I left myself open to that didn’t I! People obviously trusted his intention and voted for him in his own right based on perceived intention.

Maybe he was saying that it was great that we had all this coal because it will be essential for the renewables industry.

We won’t fall for it a second time.

Dennis
Reply to  Megs
March 23, 2022 2:12 am

To begin with, Federation of States, coal mining ventures must be approved via State Government development applications and many other State requirements including Environmental Protection reports.

Same with dams, power stations, wind turbine and solar installations, fracking for gas, other mining including uranium, and more. And when approved projects are challenged by Greens activists via the Courts of Law on appeals. It can take, for example, a decade or more to process through the minefield to begin to build infrastructure for a new coal mine.

Add the United Nations treaties and agreements that add to the red and green tape requirements.

The Federal Government has proposed construction of four gas fired power generators for Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland. So far only one has been State Government approved, Hunter Valley New South Wales.

Also one coal fired HELE power station proposed for North Queensland with Federal Government prepared to underwrite the funding. Still not approved by the State Government.

Today a new massive dam has been again proposed by the Federal Government and fully funded by the Federal Government, it was first proposed five years ago understand and today still not approved by the Queensland State Government.

There are other examples of State land proposals by Federal Government infrastructure projects that are effectively hanging awaiting State approval.

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Megs
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 2:33 am

“To begin with”

I agree with everything you’ve stated Dennis. I’m not sure what your point is, in regard to something I’ve said? I think there’s been a misunderstanding.

I am not anti mining. I live in a town that depends on its very survival for the existence of the nearby mine. Our modern existence is as a result of mined materials.

I am however totally at odds with the massive increase in mining for the manufacture of the renewables industry. This is a criminal waste of resources.

Dennis
Reply to  Megs
March 23, 2022 3:07 am

Apologise Meg, my comment was aimed at Griff.

Megs
Reply to  Dennis
March 23, 2022 3:14 am

🙂 Accepted

HAS
March 22, 2022 11:46 pm

Let’s see, if you have a surplus of green electricity and wanted to export it, would you inefficiently convert it in a difficult-to-ship commodity throwing perhaps half of it away in the conversion and shipping, and then send it to markets where it competes with a much cheaper identical alternative (including stuff that is Made in Australia).

Even Ozzies should be able to think up better things to do with it than that.

Klem
March 23, 2022 12:28 am

Guterres sees 30 years of work and the potential for global governance slipping through his fingers, and all on his watch.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Klem
March 23, 2022 3:00 am

Guterres sees what we see, that coal use is going to increase dramatically and there’s nothing he can do about it except complain about Australia not saluting the IPCCC flag.

It’s over Guterres. You will not see the reductions of CO2 you desire. CO2 will continue to increase. Berating Australia won’t change a thing.

Don’t worry though, there is no correlation between CO2 amounts and atmospheric temperatures (spare me the bogus Hockey Sticks, please).

Craig from Oz
March 23, 2022 12:50 am

is doing badly in the polls, and may lose to a green Labor coalition in this year’s federal election.

True. But I have failed to see much actual discussion as to WHY they are losing in the polls.

Here in South Oz we just had the Soft Left Marshmellow government defeated by the Hard Left Labor.

Why?

Not seen any discussion. Just the normal MSM stuff about Landslides and Brave New Era and the normal Left wing smoke up bum stuff.

The question is why? And How?

Under the Australian systems of 2PP and compulsory ‘Attendance’ (it is a myth that you have to vote in Australia. You have to take part. You don’t have to actually vote, just turn up and get your name crossed off) it basically becomes a zero sum game. So in simple terms votes go from one party to the other.

In detailed terms votes go all over the shop. It may not be that voters go from Party A to Party B directly. A pissed off ex-supporter of A may vote for C and then default to party B under the 2PP ‘zero sum’ system.

End result? Simple terms B gets more votes than A and wins.

End result in more interesting terms is that the voter, while being annoyed at Party A is not a big enough supporter to DIRECTLY vote for Party B. Looking at those numbers can suggest to you if the voters switched cause the other bloke was sexier (and has better policies), or moved away cause the first bloke was just under performing or they were pissed off at him.

Personally I suspect that Marshall (the now ex Premier) failed the Covid voters. The big scary days are long over when the bulk assumed they would die on street corners from the Fauci if the Government didn’t do harsh but fair things.

These days we have our own Governments telling us to just go home and self treat with over the counter cold and flu products and while there are many people still hiding from their own shadow and wearing masks alone outside, there are many asking when all this stuff is going to end and why do I have to wear a mask while walking up to a bar but are allowed to remove it (and keep it removed) the moment I get served a drink.

Remember South Oz is the place with the Health ‘Expert’ who told us to avoid at all costs stray footballs kicked accidentally into the crowd at AFL games cause they might be a virus vector.

Marshall regarded her as an expert and stood by her. A significant percentage of others called her a crazy cat lady.

Only takes about 5% of the population to get swing vote and give a landslide and the Jab uptake rates are below 100%. Muse on that.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 23, 2022 6:10 pm

Yes. Agree.

I would expand. Faith in politicians AND faith in the political system is at rock bottom.

I have ‘Booth Captain’ listed in my life history and still own a collection of colour coded party t-shirts with the names of various State and Federal level candidates in large friendly letters (some of them still fit me!)

Yet my interest in the last weekend’s election was so low that I only discovered who won by osmosis mid Sunday afternoon.

Okay, small sample size but I don’t even think the election was a talking point for most South Australians. There was no massive scandal dragging down the now ex-government, just a slow continued implication he wasn’t any good. There was no massive exciting carrot being offered by the other side either. A few elections back the ALP won based off the massive bribe of moving AFL to Adelaide Oval, a literal ‘circus’ for the masses to enjoy with their daily bread.

This is why makes me openly wonder if this was a stealth Covid Restrictions election. I am waiting on the official stats to be more mature to see if there is any indications as to how the votes moved, as I don’t immediately believe the votes transferred directly from the losing major party into the winning one.

Megs
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 25, 2022 4:26 pm

Craig I’m not sure if you’ve looked at the video that jelly34 posted. It’s worth a look. People really need to find ways like this to make a difference to Australian politics. The minor parties hold a similar mindset, maybe they could form a coalition of sorts?

Check out the video jelly34 sent “Preferential Voting with Marbles!

It’s describes simply how to vote for minor parties to take full advantage of preferences. Most people vote above the line, we need to make the effort the time around.

jelly34
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 24, 2022 4:31 pm

Craig,you can defeat Both major parties by following these instructions.

griff
March 23, 2022 1:10 am

it seems likely that tough times are ahead for Australia, whichever major party wins the next election.

Yep. The climate change related flood/drought/fire cycle will continue.

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:16 am

Of course, Australia had never known floods, bushfires or droughts before CO2 became a problem.

DaveS
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 23, 2022 5:49 am

griff has convinced himself exactly that. Mustn’t let reality get in the way of his fantasies.

Alba
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 2:42 am

Of course it will continue (on your argument). As has been pointed out already on this thread, China, India and Indonesia will keep on pumping out carbon emissions till kingdom come and what Australia does will make no difference whatsoever. Why can’t you just accept that global carbon emissions are just going to continue rising and that (on your analysis) you are doomed.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alba
March 23, 2022 7:52 pm

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 3:08 am

“The climate change related flood/drought/fire cycle will continue.”

What climate change related floods/droughts/fires?

You have no evidence these are “climate change” related. You are just making unsubstantiated assertions. I understand, it’s because that’s all you can do when you don’t have any facts.

LdB
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 5:14 am

Don’t worry we will cushion the blow with lots of cold hard cash earnt from selling coal and gas 🙂

The question Griff will never answer is if Australia did start being a good greentard country how much better would our flood/drought/fire cycle be? What do we gain for this good greentard country behaviour and how fast?

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Craig from Oz
Reply to  griff
March 23, 2022 6:12 pm

The cycle will continue?

So you admit that climate change is a cycle?

Check with your Lord, Griff. Make sure you have the correct talking points or your ‘friends’ will cancel you.

Martin
March 23, 2022 1:32 am

Australia should reply “Talk is cheap”. Unfortunately the current government is too worried about the hedge funds restricting investments in Australia to stand up to the UN’s crap.

Dennis
Reply to  Martin
March 23, 2022 2:31 am

To do that would require the cooperation of State Governments, the way it works is that a Federal Government enters into a UN treaty or agreement followed by State legislation and regulations to enforce and implement the UN requirements.

Agenda 21 – Sustainability, for example, was signed by a Federal Labor Government around 1990 and the first State to create National Parks registered with the UN, based on State Forests, was Labor New South Wales, but others followed soon afterwards.

So called renewable energy business installations are State approved, the market operator (electricity supply regulation) is a cooperative of Federal, State and others however there are ways Federal can and has forced market changes and for example using Federal Company Law to force fair competition between suppliers of electricity.

The Federation of States has many advantages, as compared to Australia having seperate Colonial Governments and related expenses not shared but at the same time provides ideal conditions for political games and mischief making, blame game sometimes called.

fretslider
March 23, 2022 1:39 am

Bitter old globalist throws a strop

Quilter52
March 23, 2022 1:44 am

Australia met its Kyoto targets and has also met the Paris targets – more fool us! Unlike the EU , India and China. Gutierres is a fool. Australia unfortunately is in for a tough time until we decide we have had enough of of the useless UN telling us what to do when they let people like China, the Saudis, chair things such as the Human rights committee.

Dennis
Reply to  Quilter52
March 23, 2022 2:39 am

Not only achieving emissions targets but exceeded targets set down in the Kyoto Agreement, one of the few UN member nations that even met the targets. And now the IPCC and others have rejected Australia’s request to apply credits against the Paris Agreement targets?

Maybe the bullies base their attitude against Australia on this nation’s wealth including unrealised wealth of minerals and energy reserves, being only about 2-3% of the global economy and dependent on export market trading, with only 26 million population?

The UN has targeted our wealth and was apparently very upset in 2019 when our Prime Minister stopped donating to UN “green funds”, he said that foreign aid monies would be distributed to neighbouring needy nations such as Pacific Islands.

When a Labor Federal Government imposed a carbon tax of 10% on electricity bills, and a renewable energy surcharge of 10%, both plus State GST of 10%, the Labor Cabinet Minister responsible, Greg Combet, was forced to admit to a radio journalist that 10% was being sent to the UN IPCC as an ongoing donation. The Coalition (Liberal-National) Prime Minister Abbott led Federal Government repealed the taxes and they are no longer charged.

Dennis
March 23, 2022 1:48 am

Today Port Botany in Sydney’s Botany Bay was blocked by Greens protesters causing long lines of heavy transport being blocked from entering or leaving the port. The activists protesting about climate hoax nonsense are tourists from Germany.

Stephen Skinner
March 23, 2022 1:49 am

Guterres studied physics and electrical engineering, but has pursued an academic and political career. Therefore he has little knowledge of the wider world. In the past a qualification would ‘get you in the door’, but then the real learning would begin as what one had learned either had to be binned or be adjusted to reality. Guterres also has no political mandate to demand anything from a sovereign nation or have we slipped into a World Government without people realising?

Graemethecat
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
March 23, 2022 2:17 am

He’s also a hardline and unrepentant Marxist.

Dennis
March 23, 2022 2:56 am

My concern for my country right now is polls indicating a change in Federal Government to the left Union controlled Labor Party and their Greens supporters also receiving Union funding and directing vote preferences to Labor. In 2019 Greens preferences gave Labor 15 seats, each by a narrow margin but won.

The result Labor Governments controlling Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory. And maybe in a years time New South Wales if the trend continues, leaving Tasmania not in Labor control.

With due consideration for Labor’s far left leaning and agendas, including their 2019 climate hoax based nonsense policies, now somewhat hidden until a senior Federal Labor MP had an article repeating that nonsense as 2022 policies published in The Daily Telegraph newspaper today.

As I have pointed out here in other comments the States are the power bases for most internal affairs, so consider what a Labor Federal Government would do with State support and all controlled by the Union Movement and hand in hand with the Greens.

glenn holdcroft
March 23, 2022 4:14 am

Another unelected bureaucrat living the high life on taxpayers $ telling us what to do .

Rod Evans
March 23, 2022 4:25 am

Who are these nobodies they keep finding to head up the UN?
I took a look at the past leaders and was not impressed.
Why have we reached this stage in World political courtesy overload. The useless town clerk candidates are given prime time to opine and whine, about those who are capable and elected leaders of important nations?
The cosy cartel that advances UN leaders into office need to be challenged about their choices. So far, they have been pretty poor.

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Bruce Cobb
March 23, 2022 5:57 am

Maybe Mr. Guterres needs some Anger Management counseling.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 23, 2022 7:32 am

At a counseling center in Kyiv

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 23, 2022 2:08 pm

That’s closing next week. I understand that the Mariupol one may have places? sarc (I know it’s a bit bleak but it is meant as sarc)

ResourceGuy
March 23, 2022 7:21 am

Meanwhile China defends its right to military buildup on disputed islands in the South China Sea where they intend to drill-panda-drill.

Curious George(@moudryj)
March 23, 2022 7:45 am

Time for a new UN Secretary General? No, time for a new UN. It is totally dysfunctional.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Curious George
March 23, 2022 8:15 am

Even better, get rid of the UN altogether. Who needs it? They’ve overstepped, and now they’re done.

March 23, 2022 7:54 am

It’s not just a stupid target, Net Zero is an impossible target. So, I must admit to a rather lurid interest in seeing just how far countries and their electorates will go before they ditch the whole stupid fiasco.Let’s put it this way: what party isn’t going to get elected by removing all the Net Zero insanity … and how long does it take our stupid politicians to realise that all they need to do to get elected is to promise to cut all the green non-science and cut utility and fuel bills at the stroke of a pen?

ResourceGuy
March 23, 2022 8:40 am

At this rate of UN policy fail, the tar sands of Venezuela will be thriving even with mismanagement.

Gunga Din
March 23, 2022 9:18 am

Dear UN Secretary General Guterres,
Wake me up when you call Russia, China and India “holdouts”.
Until then there is zero reason to to believe you are sincere about anything you say.

SteveB
March 23, 2022 9:31 am

Naughty Australia, but what about the smoke and destruction of resources in Mariople?

ResourceGuy
March 23, 2022 1:53 pm

He only lashes out at easy targets. China is not one of them.

Ted1
March 24, 2022 6:54 am

Tonio can’t have been up our way lately. Windmills and solar panels by the thousands of acres and more coming!

ResourceGuy
March 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Get a grip Gute.

ResourceGuy
March 24, 2022 2:53 pm

Meanwhile….

WSJ: Australia Alarmed by Prospect of China-Solomon Islands Security PactCanberra says Pacific nations don’t need external security assistance after document suggests Solomons could allow Chinese military presence
The draft document, titled as a framework agreement on security cooperation, said the Solomon Islands could ask China to send armed police and military personnel to quell unrest, among other missions, including disaster response. It also said the Solomon Islands could allow Chinese naval ships to dock in the country and protect the safety of Chinese citizens and major projects.

ResourceGuy
March 24, 2022 2:56 pm

Not to worry, stay focused on climate…till the end

North Korea Test-Fires Intercontinental Ballistic MissileFlight data suggest missile flew higher and longer than ICBM test in November 2017

jelly34
March 24, 2022 3:10 pm

If we follow the UN and Klaus Schwabs directions we will be doomed to poverty FOREVER.All those who are spruiking “Net Zero”will NEVER have to live with these consequences.

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