Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Inner city based Aussie treasurer Josh Frydenberg telling rural district representatives like Senator Bridget McKenzie, that they don’t understand farming, mining and climate change.
Climate change does not have a postcode, Treasurer Frydenberg says
By Rob Harris
September 29, 2021 — 12.24pmTreasurer Josh Frydenberg says the impact of climate change will not be limited to postcodes, hitting back at criticism from his Nationals colleagues that it is only an issue for voters in affluent electorates.
Mr Frydenberg, who represents Kooyong in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs, held a joint press conference with fellow cabinet minister Bridget McKenzie on Wednesday, a day after she took a swipe at her Liberal colleagues over a net zero emissions target.
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Mr Frydenberg said climate change was a “global challenge” that required “national solutions” and it was not a binary choice between the regions and jobs.
“We’re obviously having very positive and constructive internal discussions,” he said.
“Not everyone will agree on every point, but we’re having constructive discussions internally about other aspects of that plan, longer-term aspects of that plan to reduce our emissions.“
Mr Frydenberg said reducing emissions through a “well-considered, funded plan” would create jobs across the nation.
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Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/climate-change-does-not-have-a-postcode-treasurer-frydenberg-says-20210929-p58vq0.html
Josh Frydenberg, who represents an inner Melbourne constituency, was speaking in support of colleague Dave Sharma, who represents an inner Sydney region, and who also seems to think he understands farming and mining better than people who work as or represent farmers and miners.
Bridget McKenzie takes swipe at ‘vacuous’ Liberals over net zero
By Rob Harris
Updated September 28, 2021 — 2.57pmLiberal MP Dave Sharma says climate change can no longer be fought through a city-country divide, firing back at his cabinet minister colleague Bridget McKenzie after she labelled the Liberals’ support for a carbon neutral economy by 2050 the “worst kind of vacuousness over values”.
The Victorian senator, who holds several regional-based policy portfolios, says too many federal MPs were worried about being “cool” rather than “the consequences of their decisions”.
The junior Coalition partner – which is bitterly divided on the issue – has put off a likely fierce debate on a net-zero target until a planned face-to-face meeting on October 17, warning they will not be pushovers on any net zero emissions pact.
Senator McKenzie singled out Mr Frydenberg, the member for the Melbourne seat of Kooyong, and Dave Sharma, who holds the Sydney seat of Wentworth, in her criticism as the debate over the target hits fever pitch within the federal government.
“It is easy for the member for Kooyong or the member for Wentworth to publicly embrace a net zero target before the government has a position, because there would be next to zero real impact on the way of life of their affluent constituents,” she wrote in The Australian Financial Review on Tuesday.
“Our people, by contrast, are generally living in the electorates with the lowest per capita incomes, while the industries that underpin our regional economies are emissions-intensive. Not just in coal, but farming, transport, manufacturing, food processing and more.”
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Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bridget-mckenzie-takes-swipe-at-vacuous-frydenberg-over-net-zero-20210927-p58v97.html
Just how much more deranged can the Aussie climate debate possibly become?
MP Senator Bridget McKenzie, who represents rural voters, and who is herself an avid outdoor enthusiast, is trying to make inner city based politicians understand that the climate actions they propose would devastate the economies of the rural regions she represents.
The proposed carbon actions, as always, would be far worse for the economy than reactive, as needed climate adaption. Even if the worst climate predictions come to pass, digging a few new reservoirs to improve flood control and dought resilience would be a far more affordable than imposing a regressive nation wide carbon tax.
But inner city based politicians Josh Frydenberg and Dave Sharma are utterly convinced they know better than people who have lived and worked the land their entire lives. In my opinion, the inner city representatives likely believe they are trying to help rural yokels who are too stupid to understand their own best interests. Yet as Senator Bridget McKenzie pointed out, the cost of climate action would disproportionately impact energy intensive rural economies. It would not be Josh and Dave’s voters who would have to pay the carbon price.
You would think it should be obvious who is right – yet there is a real chance inner city climate warriors like Josh and Dave will win. Climate obsessed inner city representatives outnumber rural representatives.
Let us hope some semblance of sanity prevails, but I’m not optimistic. Aussie politicians have already devastated Aussie manufacturing, with decades of high cost green energy initiatives.
If Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg gets his way, and imposes unsustainable carbon costs on the rural mining and farming sectors, just as his predecessors wrecked Australia’s manufacturing industry with high gas and electricity costs, there won’t be a lot left of the Australian economy.
Australia needs some better choices in parties. From what I can tell from the US, Labour is even more suicidally green.
Bridgette McKenzie‘s party, the National Party, so far seems to be holding the line against the green madness. As junior partners in Australia’s coalition government, they have just enough influence to stop Josh Frydenberg implementing his crazy climate plans, if they stay strong. But I worry Josh and ScoMo might find a way to get to them. There are a lot of levers Josh and ScoMo can pull. Stopping climate action is not the National Party’s only priority.
I understand from Nationals MPs that they believe that following the Kyoto Agreement to reduce “greenhouse gas emissions” the farming community and other regional businesses such as mining have contributed far more than city folk and have had enough of the climate hoax nonsense, Green leaning country people the exception of course.
Regulations on water supplies including licences and environmental water flows denying water to farms and towns during droughts and all other times, land clearing restrictions and bans, dam construction restrictions, and much more.
“Inner city based Aussie treasurer Josh Frydenberg telling rural district representatives like Senator Bridget McKenzie, that they don’t understand farming, mining and climate change.”
Bridget McKenzie is pretty.
Josh Frydenberg is pretty stupid.
Bridget taught intro maths at university before entering politics. So she’s no math dummy like the greenie climate bed soilers.
“climate action” is a term fully grounded in pagan religious beliefs by thise who use as a badge of virtue.
Well, we do have the Sex party, who presumably want more sex. Then there’s the Drugs party, who want to legalise cannabis.
Personally, I want to form the Rock n Roll Party. Then we can form a Sex & Drugs & Rick n Roll Coalition Party. I mean, what’s not to like?
Threaten to vote for Pauline Hansen’s party One Nation that should scare them sh#$less
Why?
Pauline scares all lefties
Please explain?
lol
Is not time for schools to start teaching climate history ????
I think they have stopped teaching any kind of history in school.
From what I can tell from the US, Australia does not have much choice, as the Labour Party is even more suicidally green than the Liberals.
Today in Australian politics, it is no longer Liberals vs Labour, with the Liberals representing business class interests while Labour represents working class interests. It is now the Greens-Labour coalition, representing the inner city chatterati and public sector unions, versus the Liberal-National coalition, who represent business interests both urban and rural, big and small.
Unfortunately, many rusted-on working class Labour voters cannot see that their interests are no longer represented and are, in fact, being actively undermined by the party they support. Some have woken up to it, which is why the conservative government was elected and maintains its level of support. If Frydenberg is stupid enough to emulate the left’s policies, not only will they lose that support, they’ll fracture the conservative coalition and end up in the political wilderness.
The pandemic has exposed the new political reality in all its ugliness. The new class divide is between those who get their paychecks from the government, in no danger of losing their jobs, and those who don’t, which the government can throw out of work at any time it chooses. Those who get their paychecks from the government dominate the Greens-Labour coalition and, as long as they keep getting paid, they will happily destroy the country.
LABOR (not Labour)
HARD LABOR.
The Australian Liberal Party since about 1990 onwards has been infiltrated by leftist globalists masquerading as Australian Liberals, normally centre-right on the political spectrum. The LINO (Liberals In Name Only) and Nationals (NINO) have gained considerable power and influence but in more recent times the real Lib-Nats have been fighting back successfully to regain control.
I understand that since the left leaning push began the Union Movement successfully launched a “corporate-style” takeover of The Australian Labor Party that traditionally unions supported, union trained executives were given safe ALP seats in parliaments Federal and State. According to journalist Max Walsh in an article published in the no longer published magazine The Bulletin in 2006.
The aim of the leftist globalists on both major sides of politics is to control the governments of Australia, to form an alliance of leftists that would if successful be the only future governing party because of their strength in numbers.
Australia was first sold out to the UN when the Whitlam Labor Government signed the UN Lima Agreement/Protocol in 1975 agreeing to developed nations effectively handing over manufacturing industry and know how to developing nations; eg China.
Around 1990 the Keating Labor Government signed the UN Agenda 21 – Sustainability, now Agenda 30 …. ask why net zero emissions by 2050 is now a 2030 target date for many on the left. Agenda 21/30 locked up natural resources through creation of UN registered National Parks and National Marine Parks and covers a wide range of economic vandalism.
Non-government organisation World Economic Forum and their Great Reset, Build Back Better and New Green Deal agenda is more of the same push for control of our assets and wealth creation. An extension of the fast losing support climate hoax and warming creative accounting modelling.
Whatever it takes!
Well put Dennis. It really sucks to be in the heart of a Renewable Energy Zone, anyone who follows this site regularly knows that the ideology is fruitless. The ideologists themselves give up nothing, in fact those with a ‘finger in the pie’ are among the few who benefit at all. Most are entirely ignorant of the devastation caused globally as a result of ‘clean and green’.
Meanwhile we are up to, with existing, approved and those in the application process, which is rubber stamped: more than two million solar panels, 63 wind turbines each at a hight of 280 metres and three BESS batteries, one at 200MW (that has already been approved) one at 441MW and one at 500MW. And yes you read that right. Makes Hornsdale look tiny.
The total land required for this infrastructure is 410 square kilometres, all starting within a few kilometres of our town. Oh I forget to mention the 11 kilometres of high tension wires that will be built in one of the complexes plus the start of the major high tension wire build that will extend for 180 kilometres to support the Renewable Energy Zones.
No we don’t live in a desert, or out in the middle of nowhere. Our home is rural, rolling hills, a mix of grazing and prime agricultural land boutique wineries and tourist accommodation. All this destroyed for a short lived, part-time energy generation.
Meanwhile the world’s largest interconnected electricity grid: Tasmania-Victoria-South Australia-New South Wales & Australian Capital Territory-Queensland, is supplied 80% to 90% of baseload electricity from coal fired power stations supported by gas fired, hydro and diesel generators, unreliable wind and solar installations subject to weather conditions sometimes supply up to about 12%.
G’Day Dennis,
“… 80% to 90% of baseload electricity from coal fired power stations …”
Had a look at AEMO “Fuel Mix” a few minutes ago: 202110030835. “Black” and “Brown” coal combined: 64%. All five states showing negative pricing.
AEMO | NEM data dashboard
I checked the link: Tasmania’s price is now positive.
Thank you. I noted the three largest electricity demand areas;
NSW black coal 66% of total supply
VIC. brown coal 79% of total supply
QLD black coal 77% of total supply
By the way, South Australia, the State with the most wind and solar installations, a big battery storage facility and many back up generators using diesel and/or gas relies a lot on the interconnector from Victoria’s brown coal power stations and now a second interconnector is under construction to New South Wales and black coal power stations.
Dennis: I moved to the US in 1970, so I look at system wide figures, rather than by state. Looking at pricing at the 5 minute level is sometimes an eye-opener.
SA also has/had the Moomba gas field. In the mid ’60’s that area was known as Gidgealpa. Gidgealpa #1 was too far off the structure, all they got was water- undrinkable, in fact the big rig personnel weren’t even allowed to use in vehicle radiators. Gidge #2 – gas.
(Seismic exploration, United Geophysical – memories – mostly good)
Josh Frydenberg is trying to get reelected, I like Josh but it informs you of the man when he knows only 1.3 percent of the atmosphere is expelled each year from all of Australia and he will ruin this country just to be reelected , it is these times where real man stand up tell the truth to those in inner cities types to learn more about the climate, perhaps even venture out into it from time to time. I live in country Victoria and have a small farm looking after animals and I can tell Josh two things one the climate is fine and the BOM have know idea what they are talking about.
And Australia is a carbon (sic) sink. That the various parties don’t want to use the national sequestering of CO2 is merely because if they did that under protocols, they would have to actively show changes from drought, bushfire, renewed growth etc. So it goes in the too hard basket.
The BoM does know what its talking about, as Dr Jennifer Marohasy and colleagues have been exposing since 2013/14 rubbery figures used to model a warming that does not exist, ignoring historic record weather data recorded before 1910 because of the heatwaves earlier, weather stations located in heat sink locations, temperature recording inaccurately moving to the next highest number for example to fit a warming trend, and more.
When the Minister responsible challenged the BoM in 2014 based on Dr Marohasy’s letter details the BoM replied with the excuse that “errors and omissions” were responsible and they would ensure that this was rectified. And then leadership of the Federal Government changed from centre-right PM Abbott to leftist PM Turnbull in 2015.
This debate will be decided at the federal election next year. It has proved in the past to be political suicide put climate change in front of cost of living and jobs.
But the interesting thing is, who to choose. The opposition’s climate change agenda is more draconian than the present government. So the lesser of two evils I guess.
Even though our emissions amount to around 1% to the rest of the world, there seems to enormous pressure by other nations for us to set the standard. Wish we had a prime minister with balls to tell them to bugger off. We need a Trump alter ego.
The results from the OCO2 indicate that Australian emissions were zero back in 2014-5, and a lot of industry has been destroyed since then.
The Chines TanSAT satellite as well.
As far as setting standards are concerned, the Melbourne police seem to be doing a kick ass job.
To be honest, I don’t hold out much hope. I watch election after election being decided in spite of what is obvious to all of us. The low information voters out number us – vastly. She, and we, and all of us across the globe, are being consumed by the great communist wave. That wave was predicted to have happened over a century ago. Looks like we’re finally gonna get it. And it won’t be a conquest. The majority will have voted it in willingly.
TomB: “ The majority will have voted it in willingly”
And boy oh boy, are they ever in for a surprise.
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You’ll own nothing and be happy… or else.
“Wait. This isn’t what I voted for!”
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Oh yes you did.
We in the US also need a Trump-alter-alter-ego. The Fire, but directed at the feather-headed political-and-structural ideals which are increasingly the providence of exactly the same divided populus inner city majority, compared to the far-flung rural representation.
Problem is, no one has the furious fire. Here, there or yonder.
GoatGuy
Yes, unfortunately it seems most politicians around the world have been sucked into socialist green propaganda.
Republicans are not immune to the climate change hype. I saw a commercial just yesterday with some groups of Republicans claiming they had the solution to climate change. I didn’t get their group name. In fact, I think there were several Republican groups represented by this commercial.
I think the only thing that is going to “break the spell” is colder weather, for a long-enough period of time.
Whether the spell is broken or not, it won’t stop electrical grids from hitting the “Renewable” Energy Wall, so even True Believers are going to have to modify the way they reduce emissions.
Think of all the wasted money and energy that has been spent on this enterprise based on no evidence whatsoever. Based solely on guesses about CO2 which are proving not to be true.
I would sure like to see the history books that will be written in a hundred years. I don’t think the alarmists will come off very well.
Inner city green elites. Their knowledge of the production chain that feeds them and their proflgate lifestyle starts at the supermarket and ends at the garbage bin.
Milk comes from cartons.Who needs to know anything else?
All Greens know that, and meat comes from a supermarket.
That’s vegan meat you mean.
I understand that the ancient word “vegan” is a tribal word and means incompetent hunter.
A few years hand-milking cows on sub-freezing days will straighten them out. I know.
And don’t forget the vaseline for the teats.
Oops a fossil fuel derivative.
Honestly I have no idea what Josh is doing.
BUT
Right now in Australia, the politics of COVID absolutely dominates the politics of climate change. These debates could just be play acting to string along gullible voters and maybe future voters ( lockdown kids).
It’s called playing to an audience, he was speaking to liberal voting lefties. He knows he can pander to them because the Nationals won’t let anything happen in terms of action.
THE COVID-19 PANIC WAS A FRAUD FROM THE START.
Many countries including the USA and Canada label people as “UNvaccinated” until 14 days after their second Covid-19 shot (or their first shot for single-dose injections like J&J). That is how they falsely conceal the deaths and illnesses caused by the vaccines in the “Unvaxxed” population – one more Covid-19 data fraud.
Other Covid-19 frauds include:
The March 2020 lockdown was never justified – there was an illness, but it was an mild-to-average winter flu with NO EXCESS WINTER DEATHS in Alberta or Canada.
Average age of death in Alberta from Covid-19 was 82 – people who were going to
die soon anyway.
Hospitals were emptied in March 2020 for a “tsunami of Covid-cases” that never happened – one typical 600-bed Alberta hospital averaged less than 5 Covid-cases during its two-month Covid-19 shutdown.
The Covid-19 lockdown was completely unjustified – pure government propaganda.
In the USA, reported Covid-19 deaths were more than ten times per capita Covid-19 deaths in Alberta – because many USA deaths were falsely coded as Covid-19. The actual number of Covid-19 deaths in the USA was about 1/16 of the reported deaths. The coding definition was changed in March 2020 so that every death with a positive PCR test was coded as Covid-19 – even vehicle accident deaths were labelled Covid`-19 – total fraud.
It is very discouraging to watch Australia’s descent into the chaos of a failed state. 🙁
No need to be a scientist to understand this
The diagram is misleading.
The ‘natural 96.5% CO2 emissions’ are merely part of the natural carbon cycle i.e. over time there is no natural increase in the atmospheric CO2 concentration as a result.
There is little doubt that the increasing CO2 concentration is mostly due to human emissions, that doesn’t imply that it is harmful or needs to be controlled.
I beg to differ. There is significant doubt. It is quite likely, especially given the 800 year lag of CO2 after temperatures, that the slight increase in temperature is causing some CO2 to outgass from slightly warmer seas.
A rational voter in any developed democracy might say to himself / herself –
“re the emissions reductions issue – which candidates are appealing to the real life interests of us, their electors, and which are appealing to their potential colleagues for appointment to international lobbying or UN outfits?”
An old hard-boiled Aussie politician and renowned punter once remarked –
“always back self interest. It always runs true to form”
The Liberal Party of Australia’s pandering to Eco-Loona and their mishandling of Covid with useless lockdowns will ensure a swing against them at the next election. Unfortunately, the Greens and the Labour Party are even more suicidal and crammed with Eco-Loons. The few rational politicians who might be elected are too few in number to have any effect.
I am grateful for small mercies being the real Liberal and National MPs remaining in our parliaments who are speaking out.
The leftists would prefer silence and to continue to impose their economic vandalism without a spotlight.
Climate change hoax modelling does have a postcode of course.
What is the IPCC street address?
Eric, can I give you a little journalism suggestion/lesson? You’ve responded well to constructive criticisms in the past. Remember when I asked that you not to use undefined acronyms in headlines (SMH = Sidney Morning Herald)?
Please don’t write or post a headline that NAMES A PERSON, and then before any other content, your article has a prominent photo of a DIFFERENT PERSON. Either change this headline to say something like ‘Aussie Senator slams urban effete bureaucrat,’ or else put a picture of Josh Fryberg in the spot where you have the picture of Bridget McKenzie.
Thanks for listening. Much respect for your contributions to WUWT..
Thanks for your feedback Mickey. I consider this but I figured mentioning Senator McKenzie in the first paragraph would settle any confusion. And frankly I didn’t want to post yet another picture of Josh Frydenberg.
Apparently Britain has a clown shortage. I suggested that we donate some of our politicians.
Sadly they’re full up…
Remember the Climate Catastrophe hysteria around fires in California and Australia last year?
Here an modern piece about the Great Chicago fire of 1871, of course without mentioning CCC: https://www.chicagomag.com/chicago-magazine/october-2021/inside-the-great-chicago-fire
Australia had a heatwave in 1896 so severe they started evacuating the outback, people were dying in the street. But after the BOM finished adjusting their temperature record, they announced that it wasn’t as warm as today’s heatwaves.
The adjusters are the ones deceiving the world. Without them, the alarmists would have *nothing*.
Australia is the western country that would be impacted the most by net zero policies due to its high dependency on exports of mining, energy and agriculture. Net Zero would kill off beef, dairy, sheep and food agriculture would be vastly restricted without fertiliser. Energy exports of coal and gas would be gone and it would also make mining almost impossible due to the unavailability of fossil fuel energy needed. These industries account for over $100B per year in export earnings. There is also the componding problem of going from a net exporter of energy to being 100% dependent on imports of RE products, but without any means to pay for expensive imports.
If this is not bad enough, those pushing the net zero cart seriously believe Australia can replace all of the lost exports by producing green hydrogen and by also sending intermittent solar energy to Indonesia and Malaysia using under sea cables. Anyone with junior school science understanding would know that Asia sits to the west of Australia, meaning solar energy output would be zero during SE Asia’s peak demand periods and not to forget that this energy is useless for grid supply in any case in the home country today. The green hydrogen idea has already been debunked here for the obvious reasons of cost, low density and leakage problems.
If net zero is not the ultimate suicide pill then I’d like to know what is !!!
Of course I did not support the signing of the Kyoto Japan Agreement to lower “greenhouse gas emissions” signed by the Howard Government of Australia, or the still in play Paris France Agreement signed by the “Turnbull Government” in 2016 after the Paris Conference at the end of 2015.
However, Australia is one of the very few signatories to Kyoto that achieved the targets and now is well on track to achieve the Paris targets, again one of the few signatory UN member nations to be in this position.
The first insult was the attempt by the UN to deny Australia credits for achieving Kyoto to be applied to the Paris commitment, the second is the demand for Australia now do more than the Paris Agreement emissions reduction commitment.
Back off globalists, when your nations have met the emissions reductions you signed up for maybe then, and only then would you be in a position to push Australia to commit to more.
Including the economic vandalism that would be net zero emissions.
The Liberal party are probably worried that, since the last election, more young people have hit the voting age. Being true believers, they would vote out any party they believe had a hand in “destroying” their futures. They also don’t want to find out for themselves if the people making the promises they want to hear have done their maths and are willing to show their solutions. All they want is to be told that the world will be made safe for them. No wonder the Chinese and Russians are laughing, they are going to win without having to fire a shot.
They have their own problems. Russia can’t get their economy off the ground, because they haven’t figured out how to do rule of law, and China is tumbling headlong towards a new Mao style cultural revolution.
See? This is what happens when you stop punishing the stupid, they destroy everything they touch.
From the article: “Not everyone will agree on every point, but we’re having constructive discussions internally about other aspects of that plan, longer-term aspects of that plan to reduce our emissions.“
All based on nothing. There is no evidence that CO2 emissions need to be reduced. Politicians are going off half-cocked based on dubious assumptions and assertions.
This whole Human-caused Climate Change narrative is a House of Cards. They are betting our futures on a House of Cards.
Someday, someone ought to make these alarmist actually prove that CO2 emissions need to be reduced. They haven’t done it yet. Assertions are not evidence of anything. And seeing who are making these assertions, the UN IPCC, makes them even more dubious.
Just another urban parasite forcing a fallacious agenda on productive people. They hate producers because the parasites know they have nothing to contribute.
Robert Heinlein:
“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as “bad luck.”
I think its time for farmers to stop delivering food to the cities.
To an outsider, Australia looks like a country that already pushed the self destruct button. Sadly, Britain, Canada, the EU, and here in Dementia Joe Land, we all seem like we are not far behind.
no, it is a Non-Issue
The Aussies have gone mad