Climate Hype Leads to Climate Anxiety and Undermines Constructive Efforts

From the Cliff Mass Weather Blog

Cliff Mass,

Tremendous damage is being done by media, activists, and some politicians by hyping climate change (global warming). 

Such climate exaggeration is damaging the mental state of millions of people and undermining our ability to deal with climate change.  It leads to poor adaptation to the moderate impacts of global warming or taking realistic steps that can be highly protective.

The front page of the Seattle Times yesterday contained a story (reprinted from the NY Times) about the rapid growth in climate change anxiety and the burgeoning industry providing therapy to those in desperation and pain.


There are hundreds of articles in major media on the rapid increase of “climate grief.”  And a recent article in the medical journal, The Lancet, surveyed 10 000 children and young people (aged 16–25 years) in ten countries, finding that 59% were very or extremely worried and 84% were at least moderately worried.  More than 50% reported feeling sad, anxious, angry, powerless, helpless, and guilty, and 75% said that they think the future is frightening.


An international climate grief organization is flourishing.  And universities, like UW Bothel, are providing climate grief classes.
Existential Threat
One of the most frequent refrains of the media and activists is that global warming is an existential threat. Just a reminder, an existential threat is a threat to your VERY EXISTENCE.  We are talking about death.


Major U.S. politicians like Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez state that global warming is not only an existential threat, but we have less than 12 years left.  Young people are doomed.

There are literally thousands of media stories stating that climate change (global warming) is an existential threat. President Biden and the U.S. senator from California are saying the same sort of thing:

Check the Seattle Times for  the term “existential threat” and climate and you will find hundreds of stories with that connection (see below).  The Seattle Times is well known for its unfounded apocalyptic climate headlines and terrorizing cartoons by David Horsey.  Totally irresponsible. 


I get dozens of emails and calls a year from worried folks, including individuals wondering whether they should have kids, considering the world will end soon.
Just Plain Wrong
The existential threat business is not based on science or facts.    Read the latest IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report, created by leading scientists: there is no existential threat noted.   The same thing with the U.S. National Climate Assessment.   Read the peer-reviewed scientific literature.  There is no existential threat.
Global warming is a slowly growing, serious issue, but one we can deal with by both reducing our carbon emissions and mitigation/adaptation efforts.   There will be impacts, some serious, but nothing that threatens human existence or even the advancement of our species. 
We can deal with climate change, and there is great reason for optimism.
For example, the number of climate-related deaths is way down (see below).  Richer, more technologically advanced societies can protect themselves from environmental threats.   And I am proud that greatly improved weather prediction plays a major role in protecting life and reducing economic impacts.


Worried about forest fires in the western U.S.?  By restoring (e.g., thinning, proscribed burns) our overgrown forests (damaged by nearly a century of fire suppression), we can greatly reduce large catastrophic fires.  Flooding a concern?  We need to move people living near rivers or on historical floodplains–or take the necessary steps for their safety (e.g., better levees, improve warning systems).
Irresponsible media, such as the Seattle Times, the Washington Post, the Guardian, National Public Radio (e.g., local KNKX) are pushing a terrifying message unconnected with science or reality. So are a number of politicians.   You can imagine why they are doing it–and often it is not for benevolent reasons.
Hyping climate change is simply unethical and wrong.  
Folks hyping climate change are harming the mental state of the most vulnerable in society. And their end-of-the-world claims are resulting in poor decisions–like relative inaction on fixing forests, opposition to natural gas to replace dirty bunker fuel in Puget Sound shipping,  and opposition to nuclear power.
There is a lot of talk that folks need to  “follow the science.”  Fine, let’s do so.  Science does not suggest that global warming will lead to the end of humanity or even the termination of mankind’s progression towards longer, healthier, and better lives.


Apocalytic predictions calling for immediate action have gotten our nation into trouble many times in the past, resulting in major errors.  The world would turn communist unless we went to Vietnam, that Sadam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction demanded we start a war with Iraq, that the communists threat required a McCarthy-led reign of terror in the U.S.  That alcoholic beverages were such a threat we needed prohibition. 
We are doing it again with climate change.  When will we learn?

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James Schrumpf
February 10, 2022 6:11 pm

I doubt that “global warming” is any kind of threat, much less a serious one. Alarmists love to push the idea that the Medieval Warm Period was global, and was only a European thing.

Even better! Europe flourished during that time and the population grew steadily. If it was just a European thing, imagine how much better it would be if the entire globe did get to experience that.

Swaths of unfarmable land would open up. Imagine Mongolia and central Canada just a few degrees warmer on average, and wheat, corn and rice grown in even greater abundance.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  James Schrumpf
February 10, 2022 7:33 pm

They say the warm period and the little ice age were Europe only, to try support their narrative but it’s just that this is where the best records were kept.

Both were global, lots of physical evidence for it

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  James Schrumpf
February 10, 2022 10:54 pm

Don’t tell Peta, but that means growing more sugar cane, too.

Sara
Reply to  James Schrumpf
February 11, 2022 5:52 am

Well, those aren’t the only warm periods. The Bronze Age was very productive in regard to advancing civilization, right up until the weather went sour again and stayed that way. Global warming lets Hoomans thrive and invent stuff like bronze swords (5,000 year old bronze sword recently found in excellent condition, City of Ur was built – stuff like that).

We’re in a warm period now, for which we should be thankful because it allows us to grow high volumes of food and be productive, and I get the distinct impression that the people who are “scared to pieces” of climate change have no idea what they may have to face if the weather cycles go into severe cold. After all, you can’t cook canned stuff in a microwave. You have to open the can and put the contents into a suitable pan and warm it up that way.

John Garrett
February 10, 2022 6:14 pm

The wild, unjustified exaggeration is being done deliberately and intentionally by a cabal of media organizations who have agreed to coordinate propaganda (“Covering Climate Now”). It is a violation of every tenet of ethical journalism, not least of all is the fact that the agreement has not been disclosed to the audience or the public.

Have a look at the list of participants and the stories they are regurgitating/reporting:
           https://coveringclimatenow.org/partners/partner-list/  

           https://coveringclimatenow.org/partner-stories/

The worst offender is the slimeball Michael Bloomberg. He is joined by the rest of the usual suspects: Pravda (a/k/a the New York Times), the WaPo, NPR, PBS, the Associated Press, the La-La Times, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Garrett
February 11, 2022 4:09 am

Yes, scaremongering climate change propaganda is very well funded and organized. It’s Brainwashing 101.

meiggs
Reply to  John Garrett
February 11, 2022 6:21 am

bow to yer masters

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  John Garrett
February 11, 2022 7:24 am

“The worst offender is the slimeball Michael Bloomberg. He is joined by the rest of the usual suspects: Pravda (a/k/a the New York Times), the WaPo, NPR, PBS, the Associated Press, the La-La Times, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al.”

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If and when this climate alarmist narrative finally winds down and ends, there should be a lot of people out there who will begin to realize that they’ve been had. I can foresee the possibility of lawsuits for the emotional damage from the stress and anxiety that the news outlets listed above has caused. This is what could possibly happen when news outlets willingly abandon the tenets of unbiased journalism (favoring only the alarmists) and engage in fear-mongering in the hopes that it will benefit their financial bottom line (more advertising revenue).

I do not know what the changes for success such lawsuits would have since I have no background in law practice. If the lawsuits had a chance of being successful, they would be a bonanza for tort lawyers just to name a few. Scientists in academia might be at risk as well, especially one at Penn State.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 11, 2022 7:37 am

Oops, chances of success, not changes.

TonyG
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 11, 2022 9:53 am

there should be a lot of people out there who will begin to realize that they’ve been had

From my observation of human nature, I’m not so sure about that. They’ll just buy into some other narrative, most likely coming from the same sources.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  TonyG
February 11, 2022 11:22 am

“They’ll just buy into some other narrative, most likely coming from the same sources.

I imagine there are people out there who may succumb to the next scare-mongering narrative that comes along after CAGW. It reminds me though of the old saying “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 11, 2022 11:31 am

The new scaremongering is here, and it’s Covid-19. The same malignant players are pushing that scare, too.

The real lesson of “gain of function” is that everyone now knows it is become easy to engineer pathogenic viruses. Expect new releases, meant to sow panic and compel obedience.

roaddog
Reply to  TonyG
February 11, 2022 9:55 pm

Yes, masks are dropping like flies this week, because we are “following the science.” LOL

Dave Fair
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 11, 2022 9:58 am

Interesting thought, CD. Could the U.S. Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act be used against the conspiracy “Covering Climate Now?”

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Dave Fair
February 11, 2022 11:23 am

Maybe RICO might apply to “Covering Climate Now” Dave, but I don’t know. Like I said, I have to legal background.

Philo
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 12, 2022 5:12 am

Unfortunately, the lawyers only go for the money. I rather doubt that there will be a lot of people able to will be able to claim more than just anxiety. It’s also rather hard to dig money out of college professors. A few, maybe 5%, could put out more than a Million dollars. The one at Penn State has already spent years trying to justify his own law suites against private citizens and various news outlets. At best it has been proved, as much as data from tree rings can be, that some of the data was misrepresented.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  John Garrett
February 11, 2022 9:06 am

The bearers of those signs will more likely die from ignorance and stupidity long before they reach old age.

How do you start “Dark Ages”? By telling people “Ignorance is Strength“.

MarkW
February 10, 2022 6:14 pm

That our intervention in Vietnam slowed the Soviet advance through Southeast Asia long enough for the various democracies in the area to strengthen themselves is not in doubt. Nor is the tragedies that occurred in all of the countries that did fall to communism.

That Saddam had both weapons of mass destruction and programs to build more is not in doubt, nor is there any doubt that he would have cranked up his programs as soon as the sanctions were lifted. And if you remember the times, liberals world over were demanding that the sanctions be lifted.

McCarthy’s reign of terror?? Despite your hysterical hyperbole, there were communists in many government positions.

Marc
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2022 7:13 pm

Only people who are starving want to be communists. We would have been much better off offering economic aid to Vietnam. Start trading with them and teach them how to be capitalists. Ho Chi Minh wasn’t a communist. He wanted to reunify a splintered Vietnam and needed help. Feigning interest in communism allowed him to receive support from the USSR and China. We ended up sacrificing tens of thousands of US lives to support a very repressive regime in Saigon. I live in Communist Vietnam half of each year. Those are the most capitalistic people on this planet. Once we started trading with them in the 90s they caught on very quickly.

Tail-gunner Joe McCarthy was a complete fraud. I’m sure there was a communist in the government somewhere. But the initial “Enemies From Within” speech he made in Wheeling, WV was thought up by his young GC Roy Cohn and the paper he held up with supposed names of communists in the US government was a blank piece of paper. Do some research.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  Marc
February 11, 2022 12:24 am

Oh come on. We know from the venona transcripts that there were many communists in government (mostly foggy bottom) because the venona transcripts (now declassified) revealed who they were and who their handlers were. Harry Dexter White and Alger Hiss were but the two highest profile.

Kstills
Reply to  Marc
February 11, 2022 3:55 am

Claiming Ho was ‘not a communist’ is just one of the many mischaracterizations of the Vietnam conflict that’s made it’s way into our truncated understanding of that unfortunate page of our history. Mark Moyar has written a book, Triumph Foresaken, that explores the beginnings of the US involvement in Vietnam using archival data that has been released by the Communists who were in the North, and it’s nothing short of fascinating in detailing how a ‘noble’ enterprise could be upended by patriotic zeal, political naivete and a complete misunderstanding of another culture. And, it points out how the folks who wrote the narrative about the South Vietnamese, the Halberstams et al, were the architects of the South’s demise.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Marc
February 11, 2022 4:23 am

“Feigning interest in communism allowed him to receive support from the USSR and China.”

Yes, and they used that support to not only undermine the South Vietnamese but adjoining nations as well. Who knows where Hanoi would have stopped if they had recieved no opposition.

“I live in Communist Vietnam half of each year. Those are the most capitalistic people on this planet. Once we started trading with them in the 90s they caught on very quickly.”

The Vietnamese government has turned out to be a ‘pleasant” surprise to me. They did do a lot of harm to the South Vietnamese after they won the war, but nothing like the mass killings that I thought would take place, like took place in Cambodia. So I’ll give them that.

My Vietnamese daughter regularly travel to Vietnam about every year, although covid restrictions have put a temporary halt to that. I served in Vietnam in 1968 and 1969.

I love the Vietnamese people. They are some of the nicest people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. I wish nothing but good things for them.

MarkW
Reply to  Marc
February 11, 2022 6:44 am

Economic aid doesn’t stop armed insurgents. Ho Chi Minh was very much a communist and always was. As to which was worse, 100’s of thousands of Vietnamese people weren’t willing to risk death by fleeing prior to the communists taking over. They did after the communists took over.
That there were communists in Washington was revealed by the Soviets own documents after the Soviet empire fell.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2022 8:42 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8

Here is 13 minutes of a 2 hour interview in 1985 with Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB defector who talks about a very long term (several generations) Soviet strategy of ideological subversion in America.He, in 1985, said the objective had been already achieved in that early ‘graduates’ are now in seats of power in gov education, etc. Here is a 13 minute excerpt on it. We are 40years further down the line! You will recognize the Sovietization of the press (he even cites Wapo, NYT, LA Times) the gov, the educ K to PhD…
ruination of science …

gringojay
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2022 10:25 pm

Geoffrey Jukes (1975) “The Soviet Union in Asia” points out the the Malayan (Malaysia) communist party’s “… susceptibility to Soviet influence was, and remains, negligible, and in Malaysia, as elsewhere in Asia, Soviet relations have been established with the incumbent government on a mainly economic basis.”

As for Indonesia, the communist PKI & the country’s ruler Sukarno shifted allegiance to Mao’s Chinese communist positions in contrast to those of the Soviet Union. Even though the communist PKI primacy was ended in 1965/1966 and Suharto came to power it was not until 1974 that new Soviet aid was given to Indonesia.

Vietnam of course really did rely mostly on Soviet supplied armaments. For Vietnam going back to 1955-1964 Soviet foreign aid is estimated to total US$500 million; rising to an estimated total of $1,600 million from 1965-1975. [These amounts are not for the value of 2020 dollars.]

Lest people do not know: both the Soviet Union and Vietnam did not look favorably upon those leading the Cambodian Khemer Rouge.

gringojay
Reply to  MarkW
February 10, 2022 10:57 pm

“The Iraq War and WMDs: An Intelligence Failure or White House Spin?” was published March 22,2019 (Washington Post; free full text available on-line). It refers to the 2005 Robb-Silberman Commission which stated that “… the Intelligence Community didn’t adequately explain just how little good intelligence it had – or how much it’s assessments were driven by assumptions and inference rather than concrete evidence.”

The 2008 Senate Intelligence Committee report was 170 pages. Their findings were that after invading it was determined that the Iraqi WMDs (weapons of mass destruction) were ephemeral.

Re nuclear: Iraq ended their program for nuclear weapons in 1991. Re chemical weapons: only a “handful of pre-1991” stock was found and no sign Iraq had restarted making any after 1991. Re biological weapons: Iraq had not done research for biological weapons production since 1996 and there was no sign it was restarting that program.

Furthermore the Senate report dismisses any conspiring between Iraq and Al-Queda writing that public statements of are “… not substantiated by the intelligence….” The Committee cited several CIA reports about this stating Iraq was not in cahoots with Al-Queda.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
February 11, 2022 4:13 am

“That Saddam had both weapons of mass destruction and programs to build more is not in doubt”

Nor is there any doubt that Saddam himself propagated the idea that he had an active WMD program ongoing. He did so to scare his opponents and to keep his own generals in line. After the war was over, many of Saddam’s generals still thought Saddam had WMD because Saddam lied to them.

Saddam lied himself into a grave. All he had to do to prevent a war was to agree to inspections, but he was too stupid and stubborn to see it. And he paid with his life for his stupidity. That’s usually what happens.

Mark Whitney
Reply to  MarkW
February 11, 2022 4:54 am

If Saddam had indeed possessed such weapons, do you honestly think he would not have used them rather than going out with a whimper? That was more Bay of Tonkin BS.
As for McCarthy, one might question his methods and level of rhetoric, but his focus was beyond dispute. There were, and remain, communists and Marxist provocateurs in positions of authority. Now they even openly admit it.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Mark Whitney
February 11, 2022 8:28 am

This is what Khidhir Hamza who spent 20 years developing Iraq’s atomic weapons before defecting in 1994 says

“In 1971, on the orders of Saddam Hussein, we set out to build a nuclear bomb. Our goal was to constuct a device roughly equivalent to the bomb the United States dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, that is to say with the explosive power of twenty thousand tons of TNT”

“All the evidence indicates, however, that Saddam has not forsworn his goal to make Iraq a nuclear armed power”

“At its peak in 1993-1994, the bomb program employed more than two thousand engineers……..With the addition of thousands of technicians, the total workforce employed in making a bomb was in excess of twelve thousand people”

“What we lacked was a complete nuclear core”

“Acquiring or producing bomb-grade uranium was always the biggest challenge”

So there is no doubting that Iraq had a nuclear weapons programme, and several Western intelligence agencies believed that he did, but it was not that successful.at the time of the Iraq War.

Extracts from The Iraq War Reader edited by Micah L Sifry and Christopher Cerf pp191-195 (2003)

gringojay
Reply to  Dave Andrews
February 11, 2022 9:20 am

Hamza was described to the CIA in 1995 by the Iraqi general Hussein Kamal as “a professional liar”. Kamal was Saddam’s son-in-law who defected to the USA.

The official nuclear weapons inspection group, International Atomic Energy Authority, said this of Hamza’s 1995 documents about Iraqi nuclear weapons. Quote: ” … on the basis of all the evidence available, these documents are not authentic….”

Hamza’s role in Saddam’s nuclear weapons program is also debated. Some claim was made that Hamza had been demoted from performing any role.

As for the 2003 “…Reader”: the USA Senate published it’s report later than this (2008) and I assume it had more access to government and military intelligence source material than the “… Reader.” As posted above earlier they assessed Iraq “ended” it’s nuclear weapons program in 1991. Which makes Hamza unemployed, not just demoted, during the time he claims it was “[a]t it’s peak in 1993-1994 … employ[ing] twelve thousand people.”

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Tom Halla
February 10, 2022 6:14 pm

Given their track record on predictions, I trust environmentalists on the same level as Jehovah’s Witnesses. I had a friend whose family were Jehovah’s Witnesses in the late 1960’s, and he told me Jesus was coming back in 1975.
About the same time, Paul Ehrlich came out with The Population Bomb, predicting famines in the early 1970’s.
Preachers should have a certain humility on predictions.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 10, 2022 6:41 pm

As far as that, if you want to use the Bible as your source, there are specific warnings regarding false prophets and that the time of the Lord’s return is “…known only to the Father…” For those to whom it matters, if you keep your spiritual house in order, it doesn’t matter when it happens.

MarkW
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
February 10, 2022 7:02 pm

I had one guy tell me that while the Bible says we won’t know the hour or the day of Christ’s return, the Bible didn’t say anything about the week or the month.

commieBob
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 10, 2022 8:50 pm

We’ve had predictions of doomsday since folks developed the language to express the thought.

The doomsayers are like the high priests of old demanding the sacrifice of virgins to appease the gods.

Here’s a list of failed dire predictions. We, supposedly sophisticated, moderns should treat the disaster mongers with the same respect we would accord the murderous high priests of yore. But no, the taste for unsubstantiated bs seems to be programmed into our DNA. Or something like that.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 11, 2022 11:27 am

They should take their lesson from the Church of the Subgenius. Their Pope, Ivan Stang had for years (at least since the late 1970s) had fortold that the Saucer-Men would come to remove the faithful from Earth and so on and so forth, in 1996. Every year a festival (called a “Devival”) was held somewhere in upstate NY to rehearse for the day.

The fated year arrived and all the sworn and $20-dollar-paying vessals of Slack gathered at the site and … nothing happened. Pope Stang then deduced that he had been holding the paper with the year written on it up upside down, and the actual year was to be 9661.

The faithful threw him into the lake, joined him for a good splashing, and then carried on with the festival.

That’s how to deal with failed prophecy.

Craig from Oz
February 10, 2022 7:07 pm

And universities, like UW Bothel, are providing climate grief classes.

(side note – I skim read a lot of the time. Since I am phonetically deaf I also tend to process the combination of letters as familiar objects that are associated with a meaning rather than convert the letter combinations into sounds that have meaning. Point is, when I skim read I sort of processed Bothel as having an R as an extra letter… )

Universities offer courses because they are a business. They recognise people are willing to pay top end tuition fees to sit though a lecture a week on topics they could just as easily understand by hanging out in a cafe. It is not as if you are being instructed on topics that can be objectively right or wrong – how steel behaves in tension or how blood gets to the brain – this stuff is all about the FEELS.

Honestly, if you really don’t know how you feel about something, then paying someone to tell you isn’t going help you get through life.

Doonman
February 10, 2022 7:09 pm

Oh dear. No warming observed in 7 years but we are all going to die.

Don’t bother doing anything productive with your lives, children. Its a big waste of time.

markl
February 10, 2022 7:15 pm

It’s not about climate. It’s about control. Fearful people are easier to manipulate. Create a crisis then offer a solution and everyone’s happy.

hiskorr
Reply to  markl
February 11, 2022 4:23 am

“Climate Change” was dropping near the bottom of things people were concerned about, so they had to hype the COVID flu.

Reply to  hiskorr
February 11, 2022 4:36 am

Some psychologists fear the re-opening of life after 2 years of restrictions may cause severe problems to many people.

TonyG
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 11, 2022 10:05 am

Krishna – have you seen how hard many are fighting to NOT lift any restrictions? Even crying for more?

Slowroll
Reply to  markl
February 11, 2022 8:36 am

…About which H.L. Mencken made an observation around a hundred years ago

Walter
February 10, 2022 7:28 pm

I feel bad for these kids. The reality is that these kids actually believe that there is impending disaster and it’s not their fault, they’re being brainwashed. I tried converting someone to the skeptical side yet when they did try to embrace brilliant skeptical scientists like Judith Curry or Willie Soon, they find the New York Times post with a headline that says “Willie Soon is being payed by the fossil fuel industry.” If even that were true, they don’t attack the science of his work, they only attack his identity. What can I say to my friend if he believes that all skeptics are being pained by fossil fuel companies?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Walter
February 11, 2022 5:33 am

“What can I say to my friend if he believes that all skeptics are being pained by fossil fuel companies?”

I would tell them that is a common lie used by alarmists to try to undermine skeptics.

Alarmists can’t successfully argue the science, since there is no evidence for CO2 doing to the atmosphere what they claim it is doing, so the only thing they have left to counter skeptics is to try to assasinate the character of skeptics and change the subject from science to personalities. The alarmists want to focus on something other than the science.

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Walter
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 5:55 am

That’s what I thought. Do you of any hardcore proof that I can show that proves that these scientists are truly just in this for the good of science rather than a conflict of interest?

MarkW
Reply to  Walter
February 11, 2022 6:50 am

You can ask for proof of the claim that skeptical scientists are being paid by oil interests. If they can’t offer proof, then they are lying. The best they have ever been able to come up with is that Heritage Foundation had a small, one time, grant from one of the oil companies several years prior to hiring Dr. Soon. From this they built the who Soon paid by oil interests shibboleth.

TonyG
Reply to  Walter
February 11, 2022 10:07 am

That’s asking to prove a negative. Can you prove that unicorns never existed? (just because we’ve never seen one doesn’t mean they didn’t exist – we just haven’t found one yet)

Ask your friend what evidence there is other than unsubstantiated claims. And if there isn’t, perhaps he should consider why.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Walter
February 12, 2022 3:31 am

“Do you of any hardcore proof that I can show that proves that these scientists are truly just in this for the good of science rather than a conflict of interest?”

You can start with the Climategate files. WUWT has a webpage about this subject.

You should also read these books:

A Disgrace to the Profession by Mark Steyn

Climategate by Brian Susskin

The Hockey Stick Illusion by A.W. Montford

Climategate: The CRUTape Letters by Steven Mosher and Thomas W. Fuller

The Delinquent Teenager by Donna Laframboise

The ONLY thing the climate change alarmist have to show as “evidence”, and to use to scare people about Human-caused Climate Change is the computer-generated Hockey Stick global temperature chart.

As you will see after this reading, the Hockey Stick chart is a lie made up by dishonest climate scientists in order to promote the idea that humans are causing the climate to change because of their burning of fossil fuels. And since it is the only “evidence” the Alarmists have, this means they actually have no evidence to back up their claims, just a dishonest computer-generated science fiction scenario.

The written, historic temperature records tell just the opposite story. They put the lie to the computer-generated Hockey Stick.

The written, historic temperature records tell us that we are not experiencing unprecedented warming today, as the alarmists claim, but rather, today’s temperatures are no warmer than they were in the past when much less CO2 was in the atmosphere.

In other words, increased CO2 today has not caused the temperatures to rise to unprecendented levels, and in fact, while CO2 is increasing today, the temperatures are actually falling, 0.7C since the 2016 highpoint. Just the opposite of what alarmist claim should be happening.

Human-caused Climate Change is the biggest science scam in human history. It got this way because a lot of influential, dishonest people find it useful to perpetrate this lie for their own selfish purposes.

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meiggs
Reply to  Walter
February 11, 2022 6:35 am

I would tell them to stop using fossil fuels, plastics, electricity and food.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  meiggs
February 12, 2022 3:48 am

Good reply, meiggs! I can just imagine the faces of those who are told they can no longer use fossil fuels and all the things fossil fuels make possible. Reality might start dawning on them about that time.

Yes, if some people are worried about fossil fuels, then they should stop using them.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Walter
February 11, 2022 10:12 am

Hand them a piece of paper with Roger Pielke, Jr’s blog identity. Tell them you will quit lecturing them if they simply read the abstracts of just a few of his studies.

February 10, 2022 7:30 pm

The next clay-footed behemoth to fall is the climate hysteria, after the Covid hoax has been exposed to what it is – a flu, I think.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rolf H Carlsson
February 11, 2022 5:45 am

Here’s some information that may be of interest to a lot of people. Millions, maybe.

https://www.sciencealert.com/there-s-evidence-antihistamines-may-help-treat-long-covid-symptoms

A study came out recently saying Benadryl and Hydroxiquine, both common antihistamines, were effective in reducing the severity of the covid infection and now this study is saying these same drugs are effective against the long-covid symtoms, of which there may be millions in the future.

If I had long-covid symptoms, I would take a benadryl or two and see what happens. I have taken Hydroxyquine in the past, at doses higher than recommended in this article, and experienced no problems at all.

It looks like we have two relatively safe, readily available drugs that can effectively treat covid. Early treatment is the key, even in mild cases, and now those who are experiencing serious after effects may have some hope, too.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 12:01 pm

Effective drug protocols to treat Covid have been available since May 2020.

The CDC and FDA have maliciously lied and opposed them. Medical boards have threatened to delicense physicians who prescribe those treatments, and hospitals have fired staff physicians for advocating their use.

It’s the worst betrayal of medical ethics ever. Hundreds of thousands of Americans alone have died as a consequence of conscious deliberate medical malfeasance. Mostly people’s grandmas and grandpas.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 12, 2022 3:58 am

Yes, we have had effective therapeutics from the beginning of this covid pandemic and Big Pharma and Big Medical have prevented people from getting these drugs since the beginning.

No telling how many people have lost their lives because of this obstruction, and no telling how many people will suffer long-term effects because of this. It’s as big a science scam as human-caused climate change, but much more deadly. Noone has ever died of human-caused climate change, because it doesn’t exist. Many people have died because therapeutics were withheld.

One important point about the antihistamines, is they are not prescription drugs, or at least benadryl is not, so is not subject (yet) to being suppressed by Big Medical. Hydroxyzine may be by perscription only (it was for me) but it can “fly under the radar” of Big Medical because lots of people have allergies. 🙂

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meiggs
Reply to  Rolf H Carlsson
February 11, 2022 6:36 am

common cold, at worst

Pat from kerbob
February 10, 2022 7:31 pm

A true Crime against Humanity.
We have to loudly state that people will be held responsible, and I generally remind people that if they lost a family member to suicide over this that they need to search out those who are causing it.

There has to be consequences for carrying out what seems to be the largest psychological operation in history.

Stalin would be proud

Gunga Din
February 10, 2022 7:34 pm

Therapist seek ways to treat anxiety about climate change”?

  1. The therapist need to learn the truth themselves. (This is a great source to start. There are other sources also. But don’t depend on Google to find this site or them.)
  2. Start taking sources like “The Storm Channel” and other MSM with a grain of salt. Be skeptical and think. (Or just turn them off?) Take the same attitude about what they claim as you would if someone was trying to sell you a “great” used car in a grocery store’s parking lot.
  3. When you realize yourself that the problem they are afraid of is not based on reality, THEN you are equipped to lead them to a resolution to their anxiety.
  4. Take them back to your own “Step 1.”

(I’d add “Follow the Money” and “Follow who gains Power (as in authority)” but I’d save that for a latter session, if still needed.)

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Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 10, 2022 9:36 pm

I turn on climate porn with my kids and as various pronouncement come I pause it and explain what the bs is

My 14 year old is reading Apocalypse Never

mal
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 10, 2022 9:50 pm

My wife is listening it on audio book for the blind. From what I am hearing it right on the money.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 11, 2022 6:01 am

Yes, you can’t allow your children to be lied to right in front of you. I would be doing the same.

DMacKenzie
February 10, 2022 7:46 pm

Anyone uttering the words “existential threat” is a….the Spanish word “idiota”

H. D. Hoese
February 10, 2022 7:48 pm

Sigma Xi, Science Honor Research Society, administration is pushing their Mental Health, “Happy Hour” for its members. “We are thrilled to invite you to join our monthly virtual mental health workshop, hosted by our wellness partner, Happy. We are dedicated to de-stigmatizing and improving mental health in the research community.”

Their blog now has real experienced types calling out the vaxxers/maskers preachers.
If they could also understand this problem, might help–
https://retractionwatch.com/2019/09/25/nature-paper-on-ocean-warming-retracted/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
February 11, 2022 6:04 am

““We are thrilled to invite you to join our monthly virtual mental health workshop, hosted by our wellness partner, Happy.”

Is Happy a person? Or a company perhaps?

This doesn’t sound like something that would interest me. It might be good for a laugh.

February 10, 2022 7:53 pm

“Climate Hype Leads to Climate Anxiety”

Have them lie down on the couch.
Raises the thermostat 1.5°C.

If the patient doesn’t notice the temp increase, pronounce them cured and send them home.

Redge
Reply to  ATheoK
February 11, 2022 4:08 am

And miss out on many years of lucrative therapy?

Are you mad?

Peta of Newark
February 10, 2022 8:20 pm

sugar poisoning. again. enhanced by alcohol
= constant low-level chemically induced depression leading to paranoia..
= an irrational fear that everybody is out to get you = Climate Change, by definition.

and because the world is now so connected but still so big, there is no way anyone can go out there and check the truth of what the media is constantly telling you
i.e. You are completely powerless

To quote the T-shirt that did the rounds when I was a lot younger..
What if they gave a war and nobody came?

iow Switch off the media

But, it needs inner strength and self-confidence to do that and the sugar/booze/weed strips that clean out of you
Hence why girls, looking for dates, have so much difficulty in finding a GSOH. Most modern boys are all sugar & booze addicted wimps with the mental capacity of your typical snail.
Yes Boris, that’s you. And you also Mr Brandon, except you simply don’t ‘get’ anything anymore. So what is the point?
That you’re in the position you are only adds to the chemically induced gloom – what went wrong there?

Our ‘feedback’ experts will see what’s going on and it’s not good
It’s the exact same positive feedback that is powering the Ukraine situation – in danger of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I have a strong suspicion that Mr Putin doesn’t drink and he’s patently, by not being obese, he’s not addicted to sugar either, just like Mr Trump was/is. Mr Putin has a GSOH.
Inherently/intrinsically = peace-makers

But drunks, loud, belligerent, always ‘right’ and never shut up, have a way of getting to you and THAT is what’s happening to the kids in this story…..

The Noise is getting too much and there seems to be no escape

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 11, 2022 2:46 am

an irrational fear that everybody is out to get you

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean there’s no one out to get you.

n.n
February 10, 2022 9:27 pm

The climate is dynamic. CO2 is a first-order forcing of green. Welcome to planet Earth. #HateLovesAbortion

gringojay
February 10, 2022 9:38 pm

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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marlene
February 10, 2022 9:45 pm

“Global warming is a slowly growing, serious issue, but one we can deal with by both reducing our carbon emissions and mitigation/adaptation efforts.” Are you serious?? “Our” carbon emissions? No, it’s industry’s dirty air output. And there is no “global warming” as it has already been explained and proven that while one part of the world is experiencing warmer weather (weather being the operative word), another part of the world is experiencing unusually colder weather. Children, youth, and average adult populations do NOT contribute to either the warming or the colding and, therefore, should not bear the great cost of providing investors with obscene returns on their investment in so-called “global warming.” In fact, it was the lack of global warming that caused political leaders to change their scheme to “climate change”!

mal
February 10, 2022 9:46 pm

When will we learn?” Do include me in that we. I knew it was garbage the minute the co called “Climate Scientist” had to tamper with the temperature records. Thinking that a weather station a hundred mile from another will tell you something what going on in either and changing one or the other measure temperature is pure bunk.

Hoyt Clagwell
February 10, 2022 10:25 pm

Far more people will die from their own stupidity than will ever die from climate change. Better to fight stupidity.

Disputin
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
February 11, 2022 4:46 am

No. We need fewer people, and it’s far better to let them select themselves than to let others select them.

Jeff Alberts
February 10, 2022 10:53 pm

Yet, Dr. Mass still thinks we need to “deal with climate change”. I just don’t get it.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 10, 2022 10:57 pm

My anxiety is about Government climate-change policies.

roaddog
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 11, 2022 10:07 pm

The greatest environmental disasters all seem to have resulted from government policy, that’s for certain.

Voltron
February 10, 2022 11:48 pm

This is my issue as a graduate psychologist.

Ethically, I am there to help the person get over their anxiety, regardless if climate change related, or from something entirely different. In the case of climate change, If I showed them several graphs and spoke about Climategate, I’m sure they’d feel better (angry!) and probably become a skeptic.

However, going against the governing body with a non-PC perspective will probably get me fired and memory-holed. What I’m supposed to do (in line with the governing body’s “vision”) is counsel the person with the certainty that the future will be frightening and difficult so they should become a climate activitst and strike out against the patriarchy/capitalist society etc for other anxious folks.

Thankfully I haven’t had to make that decision yet, but I will be unable to get a balanced perspective out of my supervisor to make a considered judgement as she is also on the green train. Its a very difficult position to be in.

Derg
Reply to  Voltron
February 11, 2022 4:02 am

Think of all those people who had to choose between their job and the “safe and effective” mRNA shot 🤔

Voltron
Reply to  Derg
February 11, 2022 5:26 pm

I’m one of them. Had a family to feed on single income. They say it wasnt a mandate, but it sure as heck felt like one

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Voltron
February 11, 2022 7:42 am

It’s politics and human nature, not science, that drives this climate change train.

Reply to  Voltron
February 11, 2022 2:27 pm

I’ve now had considerable experience with editors of Psychology journals. They are in the business of protecting the favored narrative. “The Vision,” you mention likely.

Prejudice rules, dispassion is absent and science is foreign territory.

Vincent Causey
February 11, 2022 12:21 am

Let me guess. The young people concerned are comfortable middle classes of the wealthy developed nations.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Vincent Causey
February 11, 2022 7:42 am

I would guess your guess is a good one.

stinkerp
February 11, 2022 1:06 am

There’s a simple solution to self-induced “climate anxiety.” Just stop it. No pills or counseling needed.

It is no surprise that leftists are prone to climate anxiety. Research shows leftists, progressives, whatever are twice as likely to have a mental illness as liberals (“conservatives”).

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/does-liberalism-cause-mental-illness.php

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  stinkerp
February 11, 2022 7:49 am

I think radical leftists are delusional from the start and the cause is something other than the politics. The politics just fit in with the delusions.

It’s like psychopaths being attracted to radical Islam. The psychopaths were psychopaths before becoming “religious” and they did so in order to validate their internal, delusional desire to kill and destroy other people. Radical Islam fits their psychology perfectly. Their aberrations are celebrated in communities that celebrate death and mayhem and psychopaths fit right in there.

Graemethecat
February 11, 2022 1:58 am

I take issue with the author’s assertion that the world would turn Communist if the US did not intervene in Viet Nam. The West at least is turning Communist, but it is being done by infiltration of the Universities, Big Tech, Mainstream Media, and the Liberal Elite.

Joe McCarthy was right!

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Gregory Woods
Reply to  Graemethecat
February 11, 2022 3:27 am

It is called The March Through The Institutions….

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Graemethecat
February 11, 2022 7:56 am

“I take issue with the author’s assertion that the world would turn Communist if the US did not intervene in Viet Nam.”

The author said just the opposite of that. He called this thinking: that the world would turn communist without intervention in Vietnam, a “major error”.

Five American presidents thought it was necessary to oppose communism militarily in Southeast Asia.

pochas94
February 11, 2022 2:37 am

Climate Change: the fount of foolishness.

Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 3:34 am

From the article: “The existential threat business is not based on science or facts.  Read the latest IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report, created by leading scientists: there is no existential threat noted.   The same thing with the U.S. National Climate Assessment.  Read the peer-reviewed scientific literature.  There is no existential threat.”

This paragraph ought to be sent to every climate change scaremonger and every person who fears CO2. It’s the answer to their fears. The answer is: There is no existential threat from CO2.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 4:07 am

I am not so sure that the IPCC report was created by ” leading scientists. “

roaddog
Reply to  Oldseadog
February 11, 2022 10:10 pm

I believe it was “leading scientists by the purse strings,” actually.

Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 3:40 am

From the article: “Global warming is a slowly growing, serious issue, but one we can deal with by both reducing our carbon emissions and mitigation/adaptation efforts.  There will be impacts, some serious, but nothing that threatens human existence or even the advancement of our species.”

I disagree completely.

There is no evidence that CO2 is causing any kind of serious issue to do with the Earth’s weather. It’s pure speculation that there will be impacts from CO2, even small impacts.

The written, historic temperature record leaves no room for CO2 warming. We are no warmer now than in the past, yet there is more CO2 in the atmosphere now than then, yet the temperatures are no higher now with more CO2 than they were with less CO2, so where does CO2 fit into this equation?

Assumptions, assertions and pure speculation are the bane of climate science.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 3:00 pm

Assumptions, assertions and pure speculation are the bread and butter of consensus climatology, Tom.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 12, 2022 4:18 am

You are correct. It’s all the alarmists have. It’s not science, that’s for sure.

Joseph Zorzin
February 11, 2022 3:49 am

“We are doing it again with climate change. When will we learn?”

Never, it’s built into human nature- for pushy “leaders” to seek salvation from “evil doers”.

Joseph Zorzin
February 11, 2022 3:53 am

Yale has a web site dedicated to the climate disaster. Instead of a site dedicated to seeking the truth.

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/

Derg
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 11, 2022 4:03 am

😔

Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 3:54 am

From the article: “There is a lot of talk that folks need to “follow the science.” Fine, let’s do so. Science does not suggest that global warming will lead to the end of humanity or even the termination of mankind’s progression towards longer, healthier, and better lives.”

The real science says there is no evidence CO2 is affecting the Earth’s climate in any way whatsoever.

I would challenge anyone to prove that statement wrong.

Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 3:58 am

From the article: “The world would turn communist unless we went to Vietnam,”

How do you know it wouldn’t?

I was alive during that time period. Communism was “On the March”, taking over one country after another. What do you think would have happened in Asia had the communists been given free reign? The communists had designs on all the nations in that area including India.

Tom Abbott
February 11, 2022 4:02 am

From the article: “that the communists threat required a McCarthy-led reign of terror in the U.S.”

Only if you were a communist, or Joseph McCarthy. The leftwing news media propagated a “reign of terror” on McCarthy for having the temerity to call out the communists in the U.S. government. And it turns out that McCarthy was right, there were communists in the U.S. government who were actively trying to undermine the United States.

You need to study history a little harder. It seems you have bought into a lot of leftwing propaganda.

George V
February 11, 2022 4:42 am

There is a grain of truth in the protester sign. At my age I expect to die from the effects of aging, barring some accident.

The young, however, will not die from climate change. The will die from the “side effects” of fighting climate change.

meiggs
Reply to  George V
February 11, 2022 6:51 am

Nah, side effects of covid sh0ts

roaddog
Reply to  meiggs
February 11, 2022 10:13 pm

While pushing an electric car up a hill.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  roaddog
February 12, 2022 4:23 am

Will electric cars roll if the battery is dead? I seem to recall reading about at least one kind of electric car that would not move if the battery was dead.

Martin
February 11, 2022 5:00 am

Much more likely they will die shivering in the dark some winter when the grid fails because we allowed them to be taught that electricity can be provided by wishful thinking.

Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2022 5:46 am

Truth, reality, and ACTUAL science pose an existential threat to the Climate Caterwaulers.

meiggs
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 11, 2022 6:53 am

naive

TonyG
February 11, 2022 9:02 am

The best thing those therapists could do is help their clients understand that they’ve been lied to and there isn’t a threat. But we all know that will never happen.

Andy Pattullo
February 11, 2022 12:33 pm

It’s a Darwinian IQ filter. Those who believe the fear mongering will self-destruct and/or fail to reproduce out of guilt. Eventually the gene pool gets enriched with judgment and logic abilities. Seems only fitting as it was democrats, progressives and socialists who pushed the inhuman practices of eugenics.

whatlanguageisthis
February 11, 2022 12:37 pm

Isn’t calling climate change an existential threat literally yelling fire in a crowded movie theater planet?

Danley Wolfe
February 11, 2022 1:07 pm

I was looking for your proposal on what can be done about it. Otherwise just whiniing with no conclusion and no means to fix it. One might say that the whining is not any different than the climate hype. Others like Judith Curry, Steven Koonin, others ( e.g., Steve McIntyre) are fighting / countering in the battle with a reasoned approach BASED ON SCIENCE and stripping the false veneer. Posts and their commenters like this don’t contribute much.

February 12, 2022 9:02 am

I think it’s time to flip the script on this claim that citizens that disagree with CAGW are seditious. Realists should form a class action suit to sue the global warming/climate change supporters with sedition. Vet everything out in a court of law in front of a jury. I think it will be the trial of the century and the truth will prevail because the whole CAGW hypothesis is founded on junk science. CO2 is not an evil pollutant but rather a giver of life to our carbon based existence.

Alec Rawls
February 14, 2022 3:32 pm

The only way there will be net deaths from climate change is if it starts getting colder, which is what we should all be expecting, now that the sun seems to have dropped into a prolonged quiet phase.

But don’t worry kids. We’ve got a ways to go before we get to Little Ice Age temperatures, which your recent ancestors managed to survive without gas or electricity.

The Pilgrims had a hard time, but only because they hadn’t managed to build proper shelters yet, and because it took them a year or two to throw off the impoverishing socialist ideologies they started with.

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