Methane Spikes !

[we received two articles on the same subject today from guest authors. each has its own merits-cr]

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen – 10 Feb 2022

I don’t want to alarm readers but the news is so shocking that I must.  The concentration of atmospheric methane, a carbon-based molecule, is soaring; it is spiking; it is accelerating.  Methane is a Greenhouse Gas!   Well-mixed methane concentrations in the atmosphere have jumped from 1640 ppb to over 1900 ppb since the early 1980s. 

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) publishes the frightening graphic:

Luckily for us:

Scientists raise alarm over ‘dangerously fast’ growth in atmospheric methane

Our ever benevolent and protective scientist class has come to our rescue by raising the alarm – if they didn’t, we might not be adequately alarmed by this dangerous situation.

Seriously, the Nature punchline is, as you may have already guessed:  “some researchers fear that global warming itself is behind the rapid rise.” 

Yes, that’s right.  Global Warming (itself!) may be behind the rapid rise. 

The author of the Nature article, Jeff Tollefson, calls this a “grim milestone” (however, no reason for this being either grim or a milestone is given).   

Those interested in this trivial issue should read the Nature article.  There are some interesting points in it concerning suspected and hypothesized sources of the methane and the reason for the rather odd pattern of rise and fall seen in multi-year data.

However, here is:

The Bottom Line

1.  Always look at the units attached to any numerical data. 

          1900 ppb (parts per billion) is 1.9 ppm (parts per million)

          Or, in percentage of the atmosphere:

          0.000 19 Percent [%]

2.  What that means in the Real World™ is that the amount of methane in the atmosphere is so small — there is more neon and helium in the atmosphere than methane — that if you searched for a molecule of methane, and individually sorted through a BILLION MILLION molecules, you might find one or two.  You might find none in your first billion million, but if you sorted enough billions millions, your find would average out at just under 2 per billion million. (Good Luck!) (thanks to many sharp-eyed readers for pointing out my getting the b’s and m’s mixed up — kh)

3. As the Earth continues to warm and green as it comes out of the Little Ice Age, we see more life which means more methane.  More life is a Good Thing.

4.  Atmospheric Methane has spiked! — to almost zero

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Author’s Comment:

Almost Zero is an important issue.  Many of the most popular dangers and harms touted in the popular press are about the crisis of “things” being discovered at levels which are best described as “Almost Zero”.  This is the nutty misapplication of the precautionary principle, where the mere existence —  the mere detection —  of a thing is automatically equated with harm. 

The more advanced technology becomes in detection, the more potentially harmful things are found and the more alarms are raised.

Give examples in the comments if you wish.

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John the Econ
February 9, 2022 6:21 pm

Our bad for allowing the EPA to force landowners to restore the biggest source of methane, wetlands. Perhaps draining wetlands again to make charging stations for EVs will solve the problem.

Charles Higley(@higley7)
Reply to  John the Econ
February 10, 2022 7:04 am

Just because the political shills at the IPCC want to demonize natural gases to pursue their agenda, it does not mean that nature is bad. Methane production from natural sources has been going on since the beginning of life.

Human methane production is largely from also natural sources, such as rice farming, but that does not make it bad. The short half-life of methane in the atmosphere and the economic fact that natural gas production by humans demands that methane is controlled and not wantonly released.

The goal of this production is to sell the gas and the goal of the purchaser is to use it productively energy-wise. Pretending that there needs to be a second layer of regulation beyond the already existing regulations and precautions, a la Obama, is simply an attempt to make natural gas more expensive, which means this is a political agenda.

Gilbert K. Arnold
Reply to  John the Econ
February 10, 2022 7:47 am

Of course the usual suspects will claim that methane has spiked by 15%. Never mind that the total amount of the increase is minuscule. As a commenter has mentioned, Almost zero.

Paul J Thiel
Reply to  John the Econ
February 10, 2022 10:05 am

As someone once said: “drain the swamp!”

Carlo, Monte
February 9, 2022 6:24 pm

Like the dude who thrives on posting about “zetajoules” of ocean heat in the UAH reports…

Dean
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
February 9, 2022 10:14 pm

The correct unit for that measurement is atomic bombs per second/hour/day.

Wharfplank
Reply to  Dean
February 10, 2022 8:27 am

No Olympic swimming pools?

Reply to  Wharfplank
February 10, 2022 12:06 pm

Umm, cricket pitches??

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eo
February 9, 2022 6:25 pm

Methane, carbon dioxide etc are just the platform or cover up to the real issue that we are living in misanthropic era. Oops–the misanthropes had some slip when they try to label the current age as the Anthropocene when they real meant misanthropic or misanthropocene age.

Scissor
February 9, 2022 6:28 pm

On point # 2, “…if you sorted enough billions, your find would average out at just under 2 per billion.”

No. The numbers are correct in #1. Therefore, one would find 1900 molecules per billion or about 2 per million.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Scissor
February 9, 2022 10:47 pm

Sometimes enthusiastic mockery gets away on us
Happens to me too

I represented per unit as percent
Oops

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Scissor
February 10, 2022 12:10 am

Obviously someone has never been to the Mooserack Sportsman’s Club on “Beans ‘n Cornbread” Friday.

Andy Pattullo
February 9, 2022 6:34 pm

Unbridled and unfounded fear needs nothing more than a weak heart and weaker bladder to blossom. As reason fails the bed-wetters rise and the future dims. But the truth never fails to correct the idiocy and, in time, we will get back to focusing on what really matters and what brings our bright future closer. Those who worship fear will fail, those with courage will prosper.

layor nala
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
February 9, 2022 8:01 pm

I love your term ‘the bed-wetters’ for the alarmists. I will keep using it!

Slowroll
Reply to  layor nala
February 10, 2022 9:39 am

The full and correct term is “bed wetting red diaper doper babies.”

Willis Eschenbach(@weschenbach)
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February 9, 2022 6:35 pm

Thanks for the post, Kip. A couple of comments:

First, you say:

if you searched for a molecule of methane, and individually sorted through a BILLION molecules, you might find one or two. You might find none in your first billion, but if you sorted enough billions, your find would average out at just under 2 per billion. (Good Luck!)

You mean million, not billion. The concentration of methane is about 1800 parts per billion, or ~ 2 parts per million.

Second, the “argument from tinyness” doesn’t work in the real world. For example, I weigh about 75 kg. The lethal dose of botulinus toxin for someone of my weight is 1E-7 grams … or 0.0000001 grams.

That’s about 1.3 parts per trillion, far, far smaller than the amount of methane in the atmosphere … and it would kill a person.

Here’s another example. Ozone in the atmosphere is about 600 parts per billion, a third of the concentration of methane … but if it disappeared, the resulting increase in ultraviolet would be hugely damaging to plant and animal life.

As I said … the “argument from tinyness” is not borne out by what happens in reality. Very small amounts of certain things can have a very big effect.

w.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 9, 2022 8:15 pm

Very unlovely for you and the Botulism but the atmosphere is not a living thing.
Methane is not “Methane Poison
(Not yet it’s not, I shouldn’t have said that)

What is Ozone?
Where does Ozone come from?
What makes Ozone?
Is it an inheritance from our Grandparents, the Neanderthals, the Big Bang?
How stable is Ozone, does it have a half-life?
What does the half-life depend on?
What does UV do to Ozone and or vice-versa?
What does UV do to methane?
What does Ozone do to methane?
What are the absorption mechanisms?
Is the UV re-radiated after Ozone absorption and if not why not – longer wavelength energy is re-radiated inside the GHGE and goes on to Waste The World.
Why does Ozone eat UV but CO2 not eat IR?

Can the same/one dose of 1E-7 of botulism kill everybody in the same way Up/down/where-ever welling welling Infra-Red wastes the world?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 9, 2022 8:43 pm

So the great Willis that has always claimed that CO2 is not harmful, now claims that an increase in something is?
You are comparing something toxic to something that is not. I’m sure there is some latin term for that.
Talking about ozone and UV is a little strange. Many plants are grown under Halogen lights and there is no real connection with UV damage to plants, it’s possibly the same for animals. No long term studies but an assumption.
Your argument for ‘tinyness’ is useless and irrelevant.

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Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
February 9, 2022 10:26 pm

Read it again, Alexy, Willis never said or suggested that CH4 is harmful. He only said that it is not necessarily inconsequential.

More precisely, he said that the “tinyness” of CH4’s concentration doesn’t make it necessarily inconsequential. Which is right.

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Dave Burton
February 9, 2022 10:40 pm

I read it several times before commenting. I couldn’t believe that he would use an argument, that the warmists use, to say that small quantities of deadly stuff can k!ll you and relate it to CO2 and CH4. He actually didn’t say anything about CO2 or CH4, but the implication was there nevertheless. Afterall the post is about CH4 and a slight increase thereof.

Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
February 9, 2022 11:15 pm

There was no hint of an implication that CH4 is harmful, in what Willis wrote.

It was perfectly clear: he gave two good examples of things which, in tiny amounts, have great consequences. One of them (botulinum toxin) is very harmful in tiny concentration. The other (ozone) is very beneficial in tiny concentration.

Nothing Willis wrote suggested that CH4 is more like botulinum toxin than like ozone.

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David Blenkinsop
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 9, 2022 9:14 pm

Ye-es but someone’s implausible assertion of a large effect for tinyness isn’t persuasive either. Similarly alarmist claims are made for very small differences in ocean pH for instance. Ozone might be the exception, maybe, at least for life not adapted to extra UV. However, for planetary temperature as such, who has ever corroborated large effects from something as slight as the two parts per million of CH4?

nyolci
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 12:59 am

I have to say I agree with you, Willis. To Kip, if Willis is the voice of reason, you are doomed.

Derg
Reply to  nyolci
February 10, 2022 2:52 am

Well you think we are doomed regardless as you hate humanity for thriving with fossil fuels.

Tom.1
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 2:58 am

Willis- Thanks for pointing out that claims of insignificance due to small concentration are completely unscientific. Breathing air with 400 ppm CO2 has no effect on humans but try that with HCN or H2S.

Peter Muller
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 7:41 am

Comment about “tinyness” in general. When reporting chemical concentration values at levels of parts per trillion to parts per billion the method of sample collection, storage, preparation, and analysis and the collection site location become very important in the validity of the data. Poor collection sites, contamination of samples during processing, instrument sensitivities, and operator qualifications can easily compromise results. It seems that when these very low concentrations are reported as fact it requires the generator of the data to clearly provide this type of information along with some sort of error analysis. It would be nice to hear from someone with extensive analytical lab experience (mine is limited) to comment on the issue accuracy and precision of very low concentration data.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 9:51 am

Often CO2 is argued to be tiny in effect at a mere 400ppm. Yet as the base of all life, it’s the heaviest-lifting molecule of all! It’s just too busy supporting life to help much with warming the planet ; }

Doonman
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 10, 2022 11:30 am

Botulinus is a powerful neurotoxin. This toxin is made by the bacteria Clostridium botulinum, which requires trillions of multiplying organisms in an infection to produce it. In fact, at anytime the estimate of the total number of bacteria in a 70 kg “reference man” is 3.8·1013.

Therefore, your analogy about small numbers in weight from bacterial infection as an example is flawed. It takes trillions of bacteria to do that. Size is relative.

Tom Halla
February 9, 2022 6:50 pm

The major kicker with methane is that I understand it’s absorption band is overlapped by the water vapor band, so it will have negligible effect.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 9, 2022 7:37 pm
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 9, 2022 10:33 pm

Pay particular attention to Figure 4. The radiative forcing effect of a doubling of CH4 level in the atmosphere is the difference between the black and red traces. (Look closely!)

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Scissor
February 9, 2022 6:51 pm

They’re burning a lot of methane at Prudhoe Bay today. It’s -40 degrees C and F.

George T
February 9, 2022 7:00 pm

Do you feel like you are standing on shifting sand? The government cannot make up their mind. No on methane, but yes on wetlands. Yes on EV, but no on mining. Yes on wind and solar, but no on nuclear. Good point on pointing out the units. The uneducated would be easily deceived. These folks would not know how to dissect and deconstruct these narratives that are false and misleading to arrive at the deception and falsehoods built into these narratives. Hence, dumbing down of our society. The alarmism should be directed at human stupidity and whether or not we will have the ability to survive as a species or as a society. Is this part of the Great Reset? I think so.

RickWill
Reply to  George T
February 9, 2022 7:56 pm

Yes on EV, but no on mining.

What’s the connection? No one in DC would ever consider these two things are inconsistent. They want more stuff they deem good and less stuff they deem bad – get it sorted. It is that simple. EVs come from motor vehicle dealers. Mines are those nasty places that have really bad pollution.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  RickWill
February 10, 2022 2:04 am

“They want more stuff they deem good and less stuff they deem bad – get it sorted. It is that simple.”

Unfortunately, I think you are correct.

Simpletons are running the show at the present time.

Doonman
Reply to  RickWill
February 10, 2022 11:51 am

Yes, California just introduced a bill in its legislature to ban offshore mining for rare earth metals. It will pass and is being sold as “pollution prevention” and “protection of the coast”. No one currently mines the deep ocean.

Of course, California also wants to ban all gasoline engines and switch exclusively to EVs to save the world. Apparently, mining the materials necessary to do this will stay with the Chicoms somewhere else in the world, to save the world.

That’s the current thinking of California elected officials, as shown by their actions.

Clyde Spencer
February 9, 2022 7:45 pm

Kip, you said, “that if you searched for a molecule of methane, and individually sorted through a BILLION molecules, you might find one or two.”

Shouldn’t that be “a MILLION” instead of billion?

February 9, 2022 7:45 pm

Ordinary man can’t catch a break….can’t win…becuz Bad Man keeps producin’ that black evil C stuff into our atmosphere…..it’s even changin’ the smell of our air.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Anti-griff
February 9, 2022 11:43 pm

Well, the smell of snow certainly.

david chorley
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 10, 2022 9:09 am

The concentration of CO2 in our lungs is 50000ppm, now tell me how we can perceive a change in the atmosphere from 380ppm to 420 ppm

Alan the Brit
Reply to  david chorley
February 11, 2022 12:48 am

I am still awaiting a response for two years plus now, from two alleged Climate Scientists, to explain why in the past there was over 19 times the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere than today, yet the World was smack bang in the middle of an Ice-Age! I despair of hearing people, usually young & technically & historically ignorant, claiming how there will be massive increases in diseases like Malaria due to Globul Warming. I point out to them that the worst known outbreak occurred in the 1920s at a place called Archangel, deep inside the Arctic Circle, but it simply falls on deaf ears, sadly!!!

Clyde Spencer
February 9, 2022 7:50 pm

some researchers fear that global warming itself is behind the rapid rise.

None dare say that the rise in CO2 may be the result of global warming. They would be excommunicated for their heresy!

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 9, 2022 10:48 pm

They would be wrong.

Unlike for CH4, we have robust numbers for how much of the precious air fertilizer (CO2) mankind produces, because we have fastidious bean-counters who keep close track of the amounts of fossil fuels and concrete we produce and use, and we know quite precisely how much CO2 results from those processes. That means we know, beyond any doubt, that, every year since precise measurements began (1958), nature has been a net-remover of CO2 from the atmosphere, and mankind has been a net-contributor of CO2 to the atmosphere. The one and only reason for the beneficial rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is that mankind’s additions of CO2 are larger in magnitude than nature’s removals.

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Reply to  Dave Burton
February 10, 2022 12:33 am

Dave, have an uptick for the phrase ‘precious air fertiliser ‘. That should be used whenever CO2 is mentioned.

JF

Steve Case
Reply to  Dave Burton
February 10, 2022 4:01 am

Nice link to Scientific American back when it wasn’t propaganda but, CO2 is way more than mere fertilizer, it is a necessary component of photosynthesis. We are a carbon based life form, every carbon atom in your body was once CO2 in the atmosphere.

Chic Bowdrie
Reply to  Dave Burton
February 10, 2022 10:28 am

“The one and only reason for the beneficial rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is that mankind’s additions of CO2 are larger in magnitude than nature’s [NET] removals.”

Land and ocean CO2 sources and sinks are twenty times greater than fossil fuel emissions. It’s quite possible, if not likely, that the absolute annual growth in “natural” sources of CO2 is greater than that of the bean-counted processes. 

Doonman
Reply to  Dave Burton
February 10, 2022 11:59 am

Termites emit 10 times the CO2 that humans do. Science 05 Nov 1982: Vol. 218, Issue 4572, pp. 563-565 DOI: 10.1126/science.218.4572.563

Bean counters do not tally the world termite population, however.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Dave Burton
February 10, 2022 6:46 pm

The one and only reason for the beneficial rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is that mankind’s additions of CO2 are larger in magnitude than nature’s removals.

But not by much! And, while we do have a pretty good handle on anthro’ emissions, we don’t know the natural fluxes as well.

bonbon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 10, 2022 12:19 am

Sounds like the spontaneous emergence of global warming from global warming, in an unknowable way. This is exactly the magic of the markets in economics, from von Hayek.

Now look at the economics, energy price inflation, crashes, bail-outs.

We are back to Newton’s Alchemy which Maynard Keynes found to be his main activity!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 6:50 pm

I’m not sure what your point is. Humans are making some small, but uncertain contribution to the rising CO2. However, my analyses suggest that it is primarily a response to an Earth that has been warming for about 12,000 years.

James H
February 9, 2022 7:52 pm

Well we often said that the greenies plans for power generation relied on unicorn farts. What does a unicorn fart consist of? Methane. Unicorns are causing the unprecedented rise.

The good news is that we have the technology to convert methane and unicorn farts into less harmful CO2. A desirable by-product of the conversion is electricity! What could be greener than that?

Scissor
Reply to  James H
February 9, 2022 8:22 pm

Yes, and CO2 to trees, and trees to lumber, and lumber to houses, and houses for the homeless.

Rick C
February 9, 2022 8:16 pm

According to NOAA, the atmospheric methane concentration has continued to increase since 2011 to an average global concentration of 1892.2 ppb as of December 2020.” (Wikipedia)

That’s 1892.2 parts per billion. Not 1892.1 or 1892.3, Now that’s impressive precision. Wonder what the Measurement Uncertainty is. I’d bet it’s over +/- 200 ppb.

I personally try not to worry about stuff that needs to be measured in ppb.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 6:55 pm

The bigger the ‘bad’ number, and the more decimals places, the more impressed laymen will be — they hope!

Thus, the Rule of Thumb is to present the public with scary numbers that are as big as possible that still contains one or more significant digits beyond the decimal point.

Rud Istvan
February 9, 2022 8:29 pm

I will post again for the third time in three days. The methane GHE issue was definitively settled at WUWT on 4/11/2014 by Dr. Tom Sheahan in his guest post ‘Methane: the irrelevant greenhouse gas.’ Just basic physics. Let’s move on.

In the real world, all lab GHE methane absorption bands are completely covered by water vapor, which is millions of times more prevalent. Much ado about nothing, yet again.

or, as the (formerly little) girl says when the Ig Noble prizes are awarded at Harvard but Go acceptance speech overtimes: Please Stop. Stop!

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 10, 2022 1:49 am

Why is this voted down? Just read Wijngaarden and Happer and know this is spot on.

February 9, 2022 8:41 pm

Even worse, Kip, atmospheric methane has spiked from 1625 ppb in 1983, to 1,900,000 parts per trillion in 2022! One million, 900 thousand parts! It’s a bigger number!

Horrors! Call the fire brigade.

Dean
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 9, 2022 10:12 pm

We need to measure this change in concentration using sensible units like number of atomic bombs going off per day.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Dean
February 9, 2022 10:52 pm

The units you are referring to are “hiroshimas”

bonbon
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 10, 2022 12:22 am

An entire Ice-Age could slip by unnoticed in the round-off error.

MarkMcD
February 9, 2022 9:08 pm

Has anyone got the longer term data plotted with a graph that starts at 0 on the Y axis?

‘Cos I think this is like the CO2 version where truncating that axis makes it exaggerated but poltting it properly would shows an almost flat line.

DMacKenzie
February 9, 2022 9:47 pm

Into ModTran, put US standard atmosphere, fixed relative humidity, and a type of cloud cover that results in about 240 watts…. Save the result as the “background case”.
Double methane in Modtran to 3.8 ppm from 1.9 ppm, which means twice as many rice paddies, termites, cow pastures, leaky pipelines…etc..and you only get 0.17 C increase as the new surface temperature…so no biggie…

Also, regarding the 84 times GWP for CH4….99.9+% of IR photons that hit either a CH4 or CO2 molecule will rattle the molecule a bit harder and warm up the thousands of other air molecules around them. Emitting an IR photon of the same energy is a relatively rare occurence compared to kinetics.

So an IR photon will be absorbed by a CH4, or a CO2, or a H2O, mostly warming a wee bit the surrounding air molecules, or possibly zip through the atmospheric window….but implying CH4 is going to cause 84 times the warming as CO2 has lost sight of how many IR photons are available from the surface to start with.

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Steve Case
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 10, 2022 4:18 am

Double methane in Modtran to 3.8 ppm from 1.9 ppm, which means twice as many rice paddies, termites, cow pastures, leaky pipelines…etc..and you only get 0.17 C increase as the new surface temperature…so no biggie…

Yes it needs to be pointed out how little methane’s effect will actually be. It is on track to increase by about 0.5 ppm by 2100, way less than doubling to 1.9 ppm and subsequently way less than a 0.17C in global temperature.

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
February 9, 2022 9:51 pm

Kip, you asked for examples.

In Ontario, dioxin, which a hex ring featuring chlorine, and a natural consequence of forest fires, is absorbed into the wood of trees used for making paper. The source is the trace amounts of chlorine found in biomass.

Ontario’s milk cartons are made from paper made from pulp made from wood occasionally exposed to forest fire smoke.

Containers of milk are coated with an impermeable membrane and upon chemical inspection were found to contain dioxin at a concentration of 50 parts per trillion. No doubt that was on the limit of detection at the time. In an abundance of caution, all the product was pulled from the shelves and destroyed.

Let us assume a carton weighs 100 g. The dioxin content, if you ate the whole thing, would be 0.0001 micrograms. That is 1/1000th of the mass of hair you could shave off a flea’s balls.

Madness and waste.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
February 10, 2022 2:32 am

Alarmists are innumerate and think one part per billion is a higher concentration than one part per million.

Bob
February 9, 2022 10:01 pm

What bothers me with graphs like the one presented here is the scale. I’m not saying the scale is wrong but the graph makes it look like we have a real problem whether we do or not. When people post a graph like this I would like them to provide a second or third graph for comparison. The scale on this graph went from 1600 ppb to 1950 ppb. A graph should be included that shows a scale from 1000 ppb to 1950 ppb and one with a scale from zero to 1950 ppb. The information wouldn’t change but our perception of what we are looking at would certainly change.

February 9, 2022 10:07 pm

Kip: “that if you searched for a molecule of methane, and individually sorted through a BILLION molecules, you might find one or two”

With 1900 ppb, I think that should read “MILLION”

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 6:59 pm

To err is to be human. The trick is to just barely be human.

CO2Greens
February 9, 2022 10:12 pm

A gas will fill all available space. Lot’s of gasbags out there.

February 9, 2022 10:12 pm

The reason why methane concentration stays very low is that it oxidises rapidly in the atmosphere.

February 9, 2022 10:16 pm

Here are CO2 and CH4 graphed together, for 1800-2021 (the CH4 value for 2021 is an estimate):

Interactive version: https://sealevel.info/co2_and_ch4.html

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I chose the relative scaling of the CO2 and CH4 axes so that the relative visual magnitude of changes in the two traces would very roughly approximate the relative warming effect of changes in the levels of the two gases. (However, the absolute height of the CH4 trace in this graph, relative to the bottom of the graph, greatly exaggerates its total warming affect, compared to CO2.)

Additional CH4 is variously estimated to have between 20x and 80x the warming effect of the same amount of additional CO2. I used 25:1 so that the grid lines would line up nicely in the graph (and it is also very close to the 26.5:1 figure from the first two rows of AR6 Table 8.A.1, p.731 [alt]), but 40:1 or 45:1 would have been more accurate: with methane and carbon dioxide at current levels, it is calculated by both MODTRAN Tropical Atmosphere and the NCAR Radiation Code that a 0.1 ppmv increase in atmospheric methane level has about the same warming effect as a 4.5 ppmv increase in CO2 level.

The main methane feedback mechanism is negative (attenuating). It is simply that the atmospheric lifetime of methane is only about a decade, and higher atmospheric methane levels accelerate the rate at which natural oxidative processes which remove it.

CH4 removal processes (mainly oxidation) dwarf the rate of CH4 accumulation in the atmosphere. The rate of increase in CH4 concentration in the atmosphere is only about 0.01 ppmv per year, which is less than 1/30-th of the rate of anthropogenic CH4 emissions. That means atmospheric CH4 level responds very quickly to changes in CH4 emission rate, and if CH4 emission rates cease increasing then the level of CH4 in the atmosphere will rise very little before plateauing.
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Atmospheric lifetime

Even if you don’t burn it, methane in the atmosphere oxidizes fairly rapidly, changing ultimately into small amounts of CO2 and water:

 ‍‍‍‍‍‍   CH4 + 2⋅O2 → CO2 + 2⋅H2O  ‍‍‍‍‍‍  (that’s very simplified; see details [html] [2])

Various sources give the half-life of CH4 in the atmosphere as 6 to 8 years, which would make the average lifetime 1.4427 times that (because oxidation is an exponential process, rather than linear), yielding an average lifetime for a molecule of CH4 in the atmosphere of 8.7 to 11.5 years. The AMS gives a figure of 9.1 years (from Pranther et al 2012, which actually reports a figure of 9.1±0.9 years). However, page 11 of this presentation by Prof. Lyatt Jaeglé gives the directly-calculated atmospheric lifetime of CH4 as ≈8 years, but identifies a feedback mechanism which she says effectively increases the atmospheric lifetime of additional CH4 to ≈12 years.

Call it 8-12 years. That’s pretty short. It means the only reason CH4 levels are as high as they are (about 1.9 ppmv† = 5.58 Gt) is that total CH4 emissions (natural + anthropogenic) are already high (between 580 and 710 Mt/yr). There would have to be a very large,‡ sustained increase in CH4 emissions to cause much increase in long-term average atmospheric CH4 levels.

Note that CH4 removal processes (mainly oxidation) dwarf the rate of CH4 accumulation in the atmosphere, and they accelerate with increasing atmospheric methane concentration, making them negative feedbacks. Assuming the Pranther atmospheric lifetime estimate (9.1±0.9 years), we can calculate that the rate of increase in CH4 level (which averages about 0.01 ppmv/year) is only about 1/60-th of the rate of the CH4 removal processes, and only about 1/35-th the rate of anthropogenic emissions. That means the CH4 level responds very quickly to changes in CH4 emission rate, and if the CH4 emission rate were to cease increasing then the level of CH4 in the atmosphere would rise at most only a few percent before plateauing.
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†Methane levels vary slightly with measurement location; this site has some maps.

‡How large is “very large?” Well, for comparison, it would take about 3 Gt of CH4 to increase the atmospheric methane level by 1 ppmv.
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Radiative forcing, and warming effect

(Note: for a similar discussion w/r/t CO2 see: https://sealevel.info/Radiative_Forcing.html [or synopsis])

The radiative forcing from additional CH4 in the atmosphere can be determined though line-by-line spectral calculations, which, though daunting in their complexity, have been done most comprehensively by van Wijingaarden and Happer:

● van Wijingaarden & Happer (2020), Dependence of Earth’s Thermal Radiation on Five Most Abundant Greenhouse Gases

● van Wijingaarden & Happer (2021), Relative Potency of Greenhouse Molecules

This is Figure 5 from van Wijingaarden & Happer (2020); click here to enlarge it:

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Do you see the difference between the red trace and the black trace? (Look closely!) That’s the calculated effect on Earth’s radiative emissions from a hypothetical doubling of CH4 level.

A doubling of CH4 concentration (from the current 1.9 ppmv to 3.8 ppmv) would cause a TOA radiative forcing of +0.7 W/m². Very roughly ⅓ °C of eventual warming can be expected for each 1 W/m² of radiative forcing, so doubling CH4 concentration would cause eventual (equilibrium) warming of about 0.2 °C.

Positive water vapor feedback might increase that slightly, but the overlap between the LW IR absorption spectrums of CH4 and H2O vapor reduces that amplification, so the possible net warming effect of a doubling of atmospheric CH4 concentration is certainly less than 0.3 °C.(Ho, hum.)

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Steve Case
Reply to  Dave Burton
February 10, 2022 4:44 am

Great post. You and DMackenzie above have nailed the how much warming will CH4 actually cause question. The answer is, “Essentially nothing!”

Any winning essay here at “Watts Up With That” should contain a section on methane pointing out how little it’s effect on global temperature actually is.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 7:18 pm

A really skilled writer could condense that to 25 words or less. 🙂

February 9, 2022 10:45 pm

No worries. It is not gh gas warming the atmosphere.
https://breadonthewater.co.za/2021/11/25/an-inconvenient-truth/
@ Kip
I would be interested to hear your say about my opinion on what does make it warmer here. Click on my name.

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Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 11:51 pm

Thx.

Pat from kerbob
February 9, 2022 10:57 pm

My favorite was the one about a chemical produced when you bake bread, it gave cancer to mice, forget the name
We are all going to die.

Then we found out the dose required to cause the cancer would require a person eating 70,000 loaves of bread a day.

It’s late so I’m to tired to try and find a story

Also I recall one about a compound used in toothpaste to promote foaminess, it was then discovered you needed to ingest 10s of thousand of tubes to get the cancer.

The moral is most things in excess ki!!s
Drink too much water, die.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 10, 2022 3:26 am

What about the 1970s scare about saccharin where you would have to drink 800 cans of diet soda a day to equal the dosage given to rats to produce a carcinogenic effect?

See the book ‘But Is It True’ by Aaron Wildavsky for plenty of other examples

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Dave Andrews
February 10, 2022 7:20 pm
Ben Vorlich
February 9, 2022 11:02 pm

What about the other “anes”, Ethane, Butane etc more carbon more danger? (despite being unmeasurable)

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 7:21 pm

And, try not to be ‘ane’ al.

Rudi
February 9, 2022 11:04 pm

It is all about the next scare in order to control the “sheep”. The only question we need to ask is which is the next one ?

dk_
February 9, 2022 11:14 pm

Good points!

Also interesting is the start of the timeline at 1983. Could it be that the atmospheric record is again being manipulated?

  1. Before ~1960, industrialized nations burned trash and waste, usually in low-temperature, low-oxygen conditions. Some small efforts reduced waste over open flame to produce CO+CH4 “city gas”
  2. After WWII, increased population and dramatically increased use of synthetic rubber and petrochemical plastics in waste streams made partial incineration even less desireable.
  3. From the 1930s, almost every industrialized nation turned to landfills and ocean dumping for “disposal” of waste streams.

We’ve now had perhaps as much as 80 years of disposal of waste in landfills. What happens when those materials break down without an impermeable covering?

Many waste dumps have gas recovery operations and equipment in place. Of course those only capture a small amount of methane.

We could repeat the same developmental timeline for waste water treatment.

It hardly matters, as the far and away greatest sources of methane are still natural seeps, shallow depth oceans and lakes, and marshes, bogs, and bayous. Animal (including human), plant, bacteria life trail far behind.

It seems obvious that this particular hysterical “news” is a run-up to another hysterical shot at fracking, since natural gas is the only practical answer for clean power generation: anything that good must be stopped, no matter how many it hurts. The coordination is interesting, though.

Thanks for another great article, Kip.

dk_
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 1:47 pm

Agree. I am sure that methane is a much less harmful substance than atmospheric pollutants caused by partial combustion of coal, partly- or un-refined petroleum, and refuse. I am also sure the current levels of methane release are an unintended consequence of the quite desirable reducion of the partial combustion of petrochemicals and trash incineration. But since we have no such historical measurement in front of us, my position isn’t science, and neither are the claims of a spike in methane emissions.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 9, 2022 11:37 pm

You must add the Linear No Threshold concept to the precautionary principle to get Almost Zero to be scary.

Rod Evans
February 9, 2022 11:39 pm

Ah. a methane increase. The data presented in such a way it looks like Godzilla is rising.
Be aware meat eaters (that’s me) the blob is coming to stop you doing that, and methane is the molecule of their choice the bedwetters and alarmists will focus on methane and claim it will destroy the planet!
They will promote the need to reduce methane and the best way to do that (according to the none meat eaters) is to stop people eating meat. No ruminants, no methane, no problem, that will be their slogan.
Be aware, be very aware.
They have taken away your ICE ambitions, they have taken away your coal fires, they are coming for your animals next.

DaveS
Reply to  Rod Evans
February 10, 2022 4:47 am

There have certainly been a lot of adverts of late pushing the vegetarian agenda – whether it’s supermarkets giving recipe options for “meat-free Monday” or MacDonalds proclaiming their beanburgers. Coincidence?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  DaveS
February 10, 2022 7:25 pm

Beanburgers? I’ll stay with re-fried bean tostadas, thank you.

Eric Vieira
February 10, 2022 1:30 am

Also according to Happer and Wijngarten, the absorption bands of methane overlap with those of much more abundant water vapor of which the absorption is close to saturation. So methane will have no real effect as a GHG even if its concentration was much higher. A lot of people, even some scientists unfortunately consider each GHG separately and not as a mixture of gases whose absorption characteristics interfere with each other. Some don’t even bother to consider the relative concentrations or extinction coefficients of them. The half-life of methane isn’t discussed either. “The science” mostly isn’t science.

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IanE
February 10, 2022 1:32 am

Yep, the search for the really frightening is on – I have seen claims that several honest politicians have just been detected. Happily, however, the level of these creatures is still in the Almost Zero category!

Chris Foskett
February 10, 2022 1:44 am

Does it corolate to the increased popularity of craft beer?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 7:27 pm

mass hysteria event….

Now, there is the term I have been searching for to describe CAGW!

Tom Abbott
February 10, 2022 2:17 am

I put methane in the same category as ocean acidification. Both of them are “much ado about nothing”. They are non-issues. They don’t do what alarmists claim they do.

One commenter a few days ago said we should hold alarmist claims of CO2-caused catastrophic ocean acidification destroying coral reefs in contempt, since it will never happen.

I think we should also apply this contempt to claims that methane poses a danger to the Earth’s climate.

Water vapor makes methane a non-issue.

observa
February 10, 2022 2:50 am

Won’t the volcanoes flare it off if we stop throwing the virgins into them for the CO2? 97% of virgins agree and the other 3% want to be peer reviewed although the sample size has been diminishing rapidly.

Hardy Gavin
February 10, 2022 4:09 am

From the Nature article – “… many researchers to worry that global warming is creating a feedback mechanism that will cause ever more methane to be released, making it even harder to rein in rising temperatures”.

There seems to be an awful lot of baggage being heaped onto this *Feedback Mechanism” thingy. Without it all the scary stories seem to go off the rails.

Reply to  Hardy Gavin
February 10, 2022 7:22 am

That article is actually definitive evidence that Nature (London) has gone off the rails.

Slowroll
Reply to  Hardy Gavin
February 10, 2022 9:57 am

Indeed they do, and they disregard that their feedback mechanism is a perpetual motion machine, disallowed by the first 2 laws of thermodynamics. My favorite simplified description of those 2 laws is that the first law says , “with energy, the best you can do is break even; the second Law says you can’t even do that.”

Graemethecat
Reply to  Slowroll
February 10, 2022 1:32 pm

The version of the Laws of Thermodynamics I heard many years ago was, “You can never win, only break even”, “You can only break even at Absolute Zero”, and, “You can never get to Absolute Zero”.

Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  Graemethecat
February 10, 2022 2:04 pm

You can’t win, you can’t break even, and you can’t get out of the game.

Graemethecat
February 10, 2022 4:21 am

Why is the methane molecule in the header shown as flat rather than tetrahedral?

Graemethecat
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 10, 2022 1:29 pm

No offence taken, it was just my inner organic chemist protesting!

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toorightmate
February 10, 2022 5:34 am

How much should the methane tax be?
The good old Tundra has an endless supply of methane – amazing!!!!

Charles Higley(@higley7)
February 10, 2022 6:33 am

At about 2 ppm, methane is meaningless. Even if greenhouse gases existed (a good argument can be made for not) and methane is supposed to be 20-times the greenhouse gas that CO2 supposedly is, and taking into account that methane is 1/200th of the concentration of CO2, then methane is only a 10th of the effect CO2 might have.

Since the temperature rise signal for CO2 is basically zero, because CO2 CANNOT trap heat in the atmosphere, then the signal from methane is 1/10th of zero, which is zero.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Charles Higley
February 10, 2022 7:31 pm

At about 2 ppm, methane is meaningless.

That is about how much CO2 increases each year in the atmosphere. Although, I think almost all of that is a result of a naturally warming Earth.

D. J. Hawkins
February 10, 2022 6:45 am

The more advanced technology becomes in detection, the more potentially harmful things are found and the more alarms are raised.

I recall some material scientist once remarking, “There’s a little bit of everything in something, and a little bit of something in everything.” It seems like every time the detection limit is move a decimal place to the right a new round of panic ensues.

Wharfplank
February 10, 2022 8:25 am

“…scientist class…” Ike referred to them as the “Scientific-Technological Elites” in his Farewell Address, which is only known know for his creation of the term “Military Industrial Complex”…the S-T E’s are far more dangerous.

Andrew Emmerling
February 10, 2022 8:46 am

Like most graphs, the NOAA Global Monthly Mean graph is a purposeful visual lie. If we are reporting Parts Per Billion, then the vertical axis should be Zero to 1 Billion, not 1600 to 1950. That graph will visually show the truth about Methane.

david chorley
February 10, 2022 9:02 am

we are also bombarded with the “fact” that Methane is 17, or 23 or 49 or a zillion times more “powerful greenhouse gas” than CO2. part of that is an accountancy trick which measures the effect based on mass rather than molality, and CH4 being quite a bit less massive than CO2 per molecule would be artificially enhanced in its “power”. of course 23 times a very small number is still a very small number

Joao Martins
February 10, 2022 9:12 am

After “CO2 the SuperGas”

comes

“Methane, the SpiderGas”!

Gary Pearse
February 10, 2022 9:30 am

Kip, I recall a number of years ago an ‘alarming’ discovery that plastic bottles of water that had been stored for a year (IIRC) were found to contain some single digit ppt of antimony – that’s parts per trillion! The author went on about the toxicity of antimony (Sb).

He was totally unaware that antimony sulphate is administered by the spoonful for leishmaniasis from a parasite in Asia.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22091408/

The article also says:

“Interestingly, antimonials show strong immunostimulatory abilities as evident from the upregulation of transplantation antigens and enhanced T cell stimulating ability of normal antigen presenting cells”

Maybe it’s a therapy for Covid!

BTW to visualize ppt, the sun is 15trillion centimeters from earth. A dollar bill is 15cm, so 1 trillion Bill’s end to end would reach the sun! Handy for discussing GND budgets, etc.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 10, 2022 7:36 pm

Maybe it’s a therapy for Covid!

If Trump would recommend it, I’m sure that there would be a lot of people who would be anxious to try it. Then we would be stuck with the conundrum of whether to use HCQ, ivermectin, an antimonial, or mix all of them into a smoothie.

Paul J Thiel
February 10, 2022 10:04 am

Worse than articles that talk about parts per billion are those that just say that a chemical is detected. But is it parts per million? Parts per billion? Or fractions of a part per billion, which I insist on calling parts per trillion? Any article that neglects to specify parts per what should be ignored.

Peter Fraser
February 10, 2022 11:56 am

1900 ppb=1.9ppm
”… if you searched for a molecule of methane, and individually sorted through a BILLION molecules you might find one or two. You might find none in your first billion but if you sorted through enough billions your find would average out at just under two per billion.”
Is this a typo or have I lost a few zeroes?

Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  Peter Fraser
February 10, 2022 2:07 pm

Kip has acknowledged the error in several comments so far. It all still pretty close to Almost Zero.

goldminor
February 10, 2022 2:11 pm

Wouldn’t a warmer world always lead to a rise in methane emissions?

Peter
February 10, 2022 10:24 pm

Other than HOW the methane concentration is being measured, we should also ask WHERE is the methane concentration measured. The graph says GLOBAL monthly mean. This implies an average of several locations. WHERE are these locations? Are these locations constant? Do these locations together represent ‘earth’ well?

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