New England Will Freeze If Sleepy Joe Gets His Green New Deal

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

JANUARY 24, 2022

By Paul Homewood

Joe Biden promised to “achieve net zero carbon emissions in the power sector by 2035.”

I’m sure the inhabitants of New England will be over the moon. It’s been a pretty average week temperature wise there and electricity demand is around normal, peaking below the summer air conditioning highs:

Yet even then wind and solar are only managing to supply 3% of generation. Most of that is solar power at midday.

New England already relies on imports for a third of its power, mainly from across the border in Canada:

Canada exports about 50 TWh a year to the US, about a tenth of output, of which hydro and nuclear make up 75% (BP Energy Review). New England takes mainly surplus hydro power from Quebec and New Brunswick, but transmission capacity limits the scope for New England to take much more than the 2 GW it does now.

In any event. were Canada to step up exports to the US, it could only do this by increasing fossil fuel generation, as the other sources are fixed.

Which all begs the question – where will New England get all the power it needs when fossil fuels, which currently supply 65%, are excluded from the mix. Nuclear, we are led to believe, has no future in Biden’s green utopia. Instead his main hope is solar power, which has supplied just half a percent this week so far.

But it gets worse!

Although natural gas provides nearly half of New England’s electricity, about three quarters of gas consumption goes elsewhere, mainly for residential heating:

Just as in the UK, the use of gas for heating will have to be drastically reduced very quickly, if decarbonisation targets are to be met.

Gas usage in New England is running at around 3 bcf/day at this time of year, excluding power generation. This is equivalent in energy terms to 879 GWh/day, or 36 GW.

In other words, if this heating is switched from gas to electricity, New England’s power demand would rise from about 17 GW to 53 GW. That’s triple current demand, and more than double the summertime peak.

Most of the US will be in a similar position in winter, so they cannot all rely on piping solar power in from Nevada.

There is no easy way to say this. People will die, and lots of them, if Joe Biden’s crazy green agenda is implemented.

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Tom Halla
January 25, 2022 6:08 am

Well, the hardcore greens do think there are too many people, so. . .

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 25, 2022 6:32 am

the younger generation in New England tends to move away- been doing this for decades- but immigrants, many illegal, keep pouring in

Spetzer86
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 8:12 am

I’m sure Brandon’s little gang will be happy to keep those individuals happy and healthy. If all else fails, he’ll just move them to some unsuspecting red state in the dead of night.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Spetzer86
January 25, 2022 8:16 am

Illegals are so loved in Mass. that there is a movement to ensure that the illegals will have a right to get a driver’s license- they already can get free health care in the state’s Medicare system

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 9:13 am

In NYC, they get to vote.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
January 25, 2022 9:16 am

now that’s really nuts!

whiten
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 25, 2022 8:23 am

Three birds with one stone.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 25, 2022 9:19 am

I’m in agreement with your position.
“There is no easy way to say this. People will die, and lots of them, if Joe Biden’s crazy green agenda is implemented.”
That’s a feature, not a bug.

RMT
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 25, 2022 10:40 pm

You always have to keep that (Greens want less people in the world) in the back of your mind when these things, that otherwise don’t make any sense, keep getting pushed forward by Democrats.

Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 6:19 am

We can discuss the real science of “climate change and CO2” without negative bullying names such as “sleepy joe”. It diminishes the issue at hand and refrains experts from participating in the debate. Thanks. Dr. Vigo

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 6:38 am

Yeah, before Climategate and before Trump, I could share a lot of posts from WUWT as reasonable stands with thoughtful comments.

I can’t do that as much as I used to.

Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 8:49 am

Perhaps it was because Climategate revealed the evil anti-science manner in which these idiots associated with the IPCC pushed their cause and that Trump saw the BS for what it actually is.

And yes, it’s hard to share and accept truths that oppose an ideology, especially one that’s the left has made so incredibly partisan simply because they can’t handle the truth.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 25, 2022 9:17 am

Trump cut to the chase by calling the AGW a hoax.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 10:07 am

He should have called CAGW the hoax in order to provide separation from the ‘denier’ narrative.

Derg
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 9:12 am

No kidding, but not much has changed other than the increased rhetoric that we are all going to die.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 12:45 pm

It seems those that were not reading in 2008 and on do not comprehend your comment.
Am I the only one still reading here that recognizes your many contributions?
How else to explain the -10 red votes?

Thanks, and regards, Ric.
John

MarkW
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 25, 2022 1:09 pm

I believe that most of them were offended by his insinuation that because conservatives dominate this site, that he can’t show it to his friends anymore.

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 25, 2022 2:04 pm

Thanks, John.

I’m tempted to explain things better to MarkW, but I really do have better things to do. Yikes, the Wednesday night forecast is calling for a low of -11°F, then maybe a big nor’easter this weekend.

I shoveled the patio roof today, I better make a grocery store run tomorrow, then hide inside this weekend and try to make sense of this late 1970s weather in the 2020s.

I do find it astonishing that any reference I make to relearning how to disagree agreeably garners a negative like score.

TonyG
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 2:09 pm

Difficult to disagree agreeably with people who call you white supremacists and N@zis if you dare even suggest anything different than the party line.

I’m not defending any sort of name-calling, but “Sleepy Joe” is pretty damn tame by comparison.

Mark D
Reply to  TonyG
January 25, 2022 2:54 pm

Hear Hear!

davetherealist
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 1:18 pm

The ramp up of calling people “Deniers” and calling for their arrest and doxing them is what ramped it all up. There comes a point where those on the right side of the science and history get annoyed enough that we give back the bad medicine. Name calling is a tool of losers for sure. But Sleepy Joe is pretty tame compared to what the current POTUS is doing to destroy the USA. Do two wrongs make a right? absolutely not. But just like being called a ‘science denier” for refusing experimental and failing vaccines only hardens the stance of us who “told you so” and are now being proved more correct each and every day. Just like they changed Globull Warming to Climate Change to cover for failed predictions and failed policies, they redefined Vaccine to suit their need.

MarkW
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 7:14 am

I find it fascinating how most people only get upset about lack of respect, when it’s their guy getting dissed.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 7:35 am

Yes, we need more Exspurts….

fretslider
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 7:42 am

“negative bullying names such as “sleepy joe”

Which just goes to show how wrong it was to put a sick frail man up as a candidate who would be easily controlled.

Have you no compassion for Joseph Biden?

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gringojay
Reply to  fretslider
January 25, 2022 7:51 am

Sure about the sleeping description?

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  fretslider
January 25, 2022 8:05 am

“sleepy Joe” is hardly bullying compared to the insults people used for Trump

Drake
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 8:46 am

Or that our mild mannered pres used for Peter Doocy, “Stupid Son OF A B!tch”

Just because he asked about inflation, you know no one from Brandon’s staff gave him permission to ask that question.

Yep, Sleepy Joe sure is a mean thing to call him.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 9:16 am

But that’s different, Trump was evil, while Biden’s a perfect gentleman who would never snap at reporters during a press conference.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 8:03 am

All right, Dr.! Then, please explain me how should I address the bullying label of “negationist”, something that I am not?… Asking the other side to please, be polite and don’t call me names?…

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 8:14 am
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 8:20 am

Real climate science died upon the formation of the IPCC which required a large effect from CO2 to justify their agenda of implementing a forced redistribution of wealth from the developed world to the developing world under the guise of climate reparations. They’ve been able to drive this agenda by maneuvering themselves to become the arbiter of what is and what is not climate science based on what they include in their horribly biased anti-science reports.

Anyone who’s done the due diligence will see the obvious truth that the IPCC is so wrong, it’s an embarrassment to all legitimate scientific pursuit. Any real scientist who sees irrevocable ‘settled’ acceptance of a CO2 induced warming metric with +/- 50% uncertainty will immediately understand that something is horribly wrong. Dig a little deeper and their many errors become overwhelming.

The real problem is that the Marxist politics controlling America, led by broken brain Biden, fails to accept the fact that there’s another side of this issue that actually does follow the science. The scientific truth has been discussed at depth in this forum, but it won’t matter one bit until the politicians in charge stop being so arrogantly stupid and open up to a scientific truth that’s in conflict with their ideology.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 25, 2022 9:22 am

“their horribly biased anti-science reports”

Years ago, I might not have believed that- but I know one of the early science report writers who is a real nut case- a prof at Tufts, named Bill Moomaw- who a few years ago invented “PROFORESTATION”- which means we must lock up all the forests to do nothing but sequester carbon. Apparently he thinks forests can keep growing and adding carbon forever. He’s also here in Mass. where he lives in a bigger than average wood home (4,000 sq. ft.) with lots of fine wood furniture and tons of paper products- but, he hates all forestry. Classic AGW hypocrite.

John Tillman
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 8:30 am

Not bullying but accurate description. Joe falls asleep in public. Also emits audible and odoriferous flatulence at international gatherings, in the presence of royalty.

He’s an embarrassment, responsible for humiliating catastrophe after disaster. His job approval is 14 points lower than disapproval. Among likely voters, it’s minus 20.

In the US, we still get to disparage corrupt, demented, lying, angry, incompetent politicians.

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bonbon
Reply to  John Tillman
January 25, 2022 9:18 am

And Joe gets to show his opinion of royalty, off-mike of course.

whiten
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 8:33 am

Common, you plainly and openly are insulting and bullying the merit of baptising there!
Dr. Vigo

🙂

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 9:25 am

I didn’t know the phrase “sleepy Joe” is a bullying name-calling statement, but since he didn’t read or hear it how can he be bullied over it?

Sure, getting personal in “person” can damage debate but really this is weak sauce to complain about something Biden didn’t read or hear from this website.

Since the President is trying to shove his energy policy down millions of American throats there will be some irritated responses especially as his proposal is completely IRRATIONAL and STUPID!

People are already dying due to his decisions and many more are being set up to suffer from energy poverty in the future and he continues to push idiotic “green” initiative that can’t succeed.

As a moderator I try to avoid even the use of a minor jibe of a “sleepy joe” to help people focus on what they say and not about them personally, attack their words NOT the person

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ResourceGuy
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 9:44 am

You mean that “stupid SOB” –hot mic

John Tillman
Reply to  ResourceGuy
January 25, 2022 10:55 am

That’s not bullying. Just the most powerful decrepit fool in the world belittling a reporter with an IQ 50% higher than the incompetent, pathological lying, crooked, brain damaged even after already low mental function, bought sex poodle of Xi Jingping, enemy of all humanity, usurper Slow Joe.

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Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 11:03 am

There is no point in discussion with idiots like Joe Biden and the lunatics around him. All the science and data would bounce off like water on a duck. It’s all GroupThink now and an arrogance of we know what’s best for everyone else for the Democrats and their ignorant Green New Deal socialism.

So Foxtrot Juliett Bravo. Let’s Go Brandon!

The only actual, achievable solution to the climate crisis is to throw the Democrat bums out of office and keep them away from the levers of politcal power at all cost. Because there is no climate crisis, there is no climate problem to solve.

John Tillman
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 25, 2022 11:11 am

The crisis is of Loony Leftists trying to turn the US into an unholy hybrid of North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela. Marxist CRT replaces idiotic class warfare with even more vile “race” conflict. Nothing could be less American and less conducive to peace, prosperity, unity and strength.

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Paul
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 4:58 pm

oh yes ! eat shit from the other side everyday, never complain or retaliate & smile while doing it.. what a load of cow piles & road apples

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 5:14 pm

Ah, if only he were just “sleepy”, then he could simply take a nap, and all would be well. The ‘sleepy’ title is in fact a polite way of saying “severely cognitively impaired”. Nothing to do about that, and it will just get worse with time. 🙁

LdB
Reply to  Dr. Jimmy Vigo
January 25, 2022 8:39 pm

Begs the question do you use the term denier?

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
January 25, 2022 6:20 am

In suburban/rural New Hampshire we have a lot of trees and a lot of wood stoves. I have a pellet stove in the basement, but the previous owners didn’t bother to fix it after summer humidity corroded the controller circuit board.

So heat comes from a heat pump on the 2nd floor and a propane space heater on the first. The latter runs on 40 watts, so in a pinch I can run off a UPS and car battery. I’m amazed at how inexpensive the heat pump has been to run and have taken steps to keep the expensive propane heat on the first floor. A gasoline generator is dead and not worth fixing. I may get a propane fired one.

We have pretty strong opposition to additional wind power here (me included!) and to natural gas pipelines (that may change in some really cold weather).

But yeah, the push to heat pumps and electric vehicles presents some interesting “challenges”. How are those modular nuclear reactors coming along?

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 6:29 am

Oh – Boston is on the coast and gets a lot of warmth from the Atlantic. Here in the Lake Sunapee region, this is my month so far:

mysql> select dt, lo_temp, lo_temp_time, hi_temp, hi_temp_time from daily where dt >= '2022-1-1';
+------------+---------+--------------+---------+--------------+
| dt         | lo_temp | lo_temp_time | hi_temp | hi_temp_time |
+------------+---------+--------------+---------+--------------+
| 2022-01-01 |  32.8 | 03:30:00   |  36.3 | 14:30:00   |
| 2022-01-02 |  21.9 | 00:00:00   |  36.5 | 09:50:00   |
| 2022-01-03 |  10.0 | 00:00:00   |  21.9 | 00:00:00   |
| 2022-01-04 |   6.9 | 04:30:00   |  30.7 | 14:30:00   |
| 2022-01-05 |  12.6 | 05:20:00   |  36.0 | 19:30:00   |
| 2022-01-06 |  24.4 | 00:00:00   |  34.1 | 12:50:00   |
| 2022-01-07 |  17.2 | 23:20:00   |  27.3 | 13:50:00   |
| 2022-01-08 |   3.5 | 22:20:00   |  24.2 | 15:00:00   |
| 2022-01-09 |   6.7 | 00:00:00   |  38.0 | 22:10:00   |
| 2022-01-10 |  11.9 | 00:00:00   |  35.6 | 00:00:00   |
| 2022-01-11 |  -9.1 | 23:20:00   |  11.9 | 00:00:00   |
| 2022-01-12 |  -9.1 | 00:00:00   |  26.9 | 14:20:00   |
| 2022-01-13 |  18.8 | 02:30:00   |  35.9 | 14:30:00   |
| 2022-01-14 |   1.8 | 23:50:00   |  34.9 | 11:20:00   |
| 2022-01-15 |  -8.6 | 07:40:00   |   6.1 | 14:10:00   |
| 2022-01-16 |  -8.4 | 07:40:00   |  28.7 | 14:40:00   |
| 2022-01-17 |  17.7 | 00:00:00   |  35.9 | 15:30:00   |
| 2022-01-18 |   3.9 | 00:00:00   |  27.6 | 00:00:00   |
| 2022-01-19 |  -2.0 | 02:40:00   |  40.2 | 14:40:00   |
| 2022-01-20 |   4.7 | 00:00:00   |  34.4 | 05:20:00   |
| 2022-01-21 |  -7.2 | 00:00:00   |  15.9 | 14:40:00   |
| 2022-01-22 |  -16.4 | 07:30:00   |  25.4 | 15:30:00   |
| 2022-01-23 |   1.3 | 04:40:00   |  28.4 | 12:20:00   |
| 2022-01-24 |   1.5 | 07:40:00   |  27.3 | 14:50:00   |
+------------+---------+--------------+---------+--------------+

Nothing record breaking, but a lot more sub-zero F° days than normal. I discovered I have another pipe that can freeze in cold weather. I can deal with it, as long as there’s heat!

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Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 10:32 am

Can you wrap the pipe?

I did that for my 3/4″ water line entering under the house where it was completely exposed for a couple feet in the open air.

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  Sunsettommy
January 25, 2022 2:17 pm

The first pipe is exposed, but there’s a gap where the well room connects to the original house. I’ll explore sealing it this spring.

I recently put some heat tape on it, it looks like that will do fine for the rest of the winter.

The other pipe froze for the first time on that -16F day. It’s the hot water pipe to the second floor bathroom. I’ll just leave both faucets open a bit on future really cold days.

Last edited 4 months ago by Ric Werme
RickWill
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 2:14 pm

Here in the Lake Sunapee region, this is my month so far:

Wow – commiserations.

You should be aware that boreal summers are getting more sunlight since 400 years ago while boreal winters are getting less sunlight. This 10,000 year trend has only just begun. Increasing winter snowfall will be the compelling observed trend in years to come.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 7:15 am

“the previous owners didn’t bother to fix it after summer humidity corroded the controller circuit board”

Not replaceable?

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 2:12 pm

Joseph, It’s not worth the effort. The foundation is granite block (built in 1860), the floor under the extension is a dirt hillside that features the cutest little mountain stream during snow melt season. The only way out for the heat is a narrow stairway.

There’s a lot of wires to that board, and the stove is heavy, and it will just fail again….

Devils Tower
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 7:37 am

One thing to remeber, heat pumps are great until extreme cold. They need full back up period.

Even the new low tempature ones, read the fine print. Minimum BTU out at cold tempature rating….

An all electric world is realy going to suck until you can by a portable nuclear backup generator…

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H.R.
Reply to  Devils Tower
January 25, 2022 8:12 am

Like this?

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MarkW
Reply to  Devils Tower
January 25, 2022 9:31 am

Not just extreme cold. For most home units, they have trouble if the temperature gets below 50F. There are multi-stage units that are able to extract heat at lower temperatures, but those are more expensive and less efficient.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Devils Tower
January 25, 2022 1:05 pm

My heat pump includes resistance heaters for the very cold temperatures. It is just more expensive. See my reply to Ric at 1:01

Devils Tower
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 25, 2022 1:17 pm

Yes, understand. That is what I mean buy full backup. I have geo with built in electric backup. It is 4x cost wise. That is why i have switch installed to disable electric backup. That is when i start using propane or wood in several forms for backup. Guessing your electric backup with air source pump is 2x to 3x.

In an all electric world, their is no such thing as backup.

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Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  Devils Tower
January 25, 2022 2:31 pm

I’ve been astonished at how much heat it puts out at 15F, much better than I expected, I guess they must have a really high compression ratio. However, it gives up around -4°F (-20°C – Mitsubishi) and shuts down. A 1500W space heater handles those events pretty well. A few hours of cold mornings isn’t a problem, besides, the propane heated air starts convecting upstairs, disrupting the temperature inversion I’m maintaining this winter. 🙂

I have an Emporia power monitor, and lotsa power consumption data. I may try to look at the propane/electric ratio as a function of outdoor temperature.

Some people have suggested I see if NASA has a RTG (Radioisotope Thermal Generator) that I could adopt until they need it for a new mission. I figure it would help heat up the basement in the early spring. It wouldn’t power the heat pump, but would run the propane furnace with electricity and heat to spare. 🙂

John Hultquist
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 1:01 pm

I’m about in the same sort of winters you are, and I have an all-electric house. The heat pump in such a climate zone (central Washington State) needs a backup during low temperature and also if the power goes off. Of course, one doesn’t need an emergency to use it. Because I have trees for firewood, I went with a pricy wood stove with a catalytic burner. There are many to choose from.
I went with this:  https://www.blazeking.com/products/wood-stoves/chinook-30/
Today I am approaching 7 weeks of continuous use.
This solution is not the right way to go for some people.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Ric Werme
January 25, 2022 1:51 pm

Ric Werme: “But yeah, the push to heat pumps and electric vehicles presents some interesting “challenges”. How are those modular nuclear reactors coming along?”

If nuclear power is to have a long term future in this country, the nuclear industry must demonstrate that a new-build nuclear power plant can be brought in on cost and on schedule. The oncoming SMR technology represents the only hope the American nuclear industry has for achieving that goal

Repeating what I’ve been saying for some time, I’m betting on NuScale’s 77 MWe unit to be the first western-nation SMR design to be installed in an operating commercial nuclear power plant.

A 462 MWe NuScale plant comprised of six 77 MWe modular units is scheduled to go online in eastern Idaho in late 2029. It will be owned by UAMPS, will be constructed by Fluor, and will be operated by Energy Northwest.

IMHO, NuScale has that particular combination of SMR technology and project management expertise which is necessary to get their Idaho project completed on cost and on schedule.

Assuming NuScale’s first plant is built successfully, would New England allow a new SMR plant to be constructed in that region starting in the early 2030’s?

My guess is no. What will happen in New England and also in California is that when acute shortages of electricity occur which can’t be solved by importing power from other states and/or from Canada because of a lack of transmission capacity, then aero-derivative gas turbine gensets will be quickly installed on a crash response basis which rely on LNG or diesel for their fuel.

Some of that LNG will be delivered in railroad tank cars — at least until a train derails and an LNG tank car goes up like a mini nuclear weapon and destroys a New England town.

Ric Werme(@ricwerme)
Editor
Reply to  Beta Blocker
January 25, 2022 2:48 pm

I haven’t been following the nuke industry much, the delays with that plant in the southeast(?) is disappointing, to put it mildly.

Thanks for the note on the Idaho project, I’ll try to keep an eye on it.

Once New Hampshire runs into big problems some cold winter month with people expecting their EVs will get them to work in the AM, it will be interesting to see what happens. I’m a bit surprised we did okay with that -16F morning, but a power blackout before dawn would be very bad news. Solar panels wouldn’t be much help.

While we still have the scars from the protests over building the Seabrook nuke, it just sits there at 100% load for 90% of the year and downtime can be scheduled for spring or fall. I’d rather live downwind of Seabrook than a wind energy project.

SMR tech might get accepted, especially among the Free State Project people moving in. It will be interesting.

BTW, New England is getting LNG by tanker to a terminal in Everett MA, just north of Boston. However, there’s competition for that LNG, and given Ukraine and probable Russian sanctions, and all that nonsense, there will be even more.

Peta of Newark
January 25, 2022 6:20 am

Meanwhile in Olde Englande – go take a look at 2 places (Screen shot one one of them attached)

Average temp across the UK is currently about 2 Celsius and here’s the Surface Pressure Chart (from the Met Office)

Also and coz I can only add one picture to this comment, see my reply to self = a screenshot of UK Energy Numbers
Note that while we’re at the warmest time of the day (3 hrs after solar noon), all the energy stops are pulled flat out, the Biomass, the inter-connectors, the OCGT and Others.
Except 4GW headroom on CCGT
Thin Ice was never a better descriptor….

Screenshot 2022-01-25 at 14-05-20 Surface Pressure Charts.png
Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 25, 2022 6:22 am

UK electricity…..Demand = 44.8GW as at 14:20 GMT
Hello Boris – is this how Saudi Arabia manage their oil output = by burning very very expensive Russian gas?

Screenshot 2022-01-25 at 14-19-21 Live generation data from the Great Britain electricity grid – Energy Numbers - Copy.png
Last edited 4 months ago by Peta of Newark
fretslider
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 25, 2022 7:47 am

I believe the bulk of imported gas into the UK comes from Qatar.

“UK seeks long-term gas deal with Qatar, asks to become ‘supplier of last resort’”

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-seeks-long-term-gas-deal-with-qatar-asks-become-supplier-last-resort-ft-2021-11-05/

“Energy crisis: Britain leans on gas shipments from Qatar to ease supply squeeze”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/energy-crisis-qatar-gas-uk-b1983252.html

Now, the EU is a very different matter….

griff
Reply to  fretslider
January 25, 2022 11:43 am

In fact that seems to have changed – US now second highest supply after Norway…

John Hultquist
Reply to  griff
January 25, 2022 1:07 pm

Care to comment on Drax Power in North Yorkshire?
Wood sourced from …?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 25, 2022 8:01 am

Let’s do a lab rat test of the wind mills in icy conditions.

fretslider
January 25, 2022 6:23 am

“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.

“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”

Peter W
January 25, 2022 6:44 am

All of this helps to explain why we moved from SW NH to Florida back in 2016. At least so far the temperature in Florida has not gone below freezing where we are.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Peter W
January 25, 2022 7:19 am

well, the climatistas say NH will soon be warm enough for palm trees- I hope so, as I’m just a few miles south of NH, in central MA- I look forward to that much warming so I can plant my fig tree that my grandfather brought from Italy 110 years ago- it’s been in pots ever since but I’d prefer to put it out in the garden, next to some palm trees :-}

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bonbon
Reply to  Peter W
January 25, 2022 9:06 am

Yet remember the Shuttle launch disaster – caused by serious ice.
Never thought Florida could get such weather…

griff
Reply to  Peter W
January 25, 2022 11:37 am

Supposed to be below freezing today in Orlando – falling iguana warning issued!

Expect freezing temperatures and widespread area frost by Monday morning (clickorlando.com)

TonyG
Reply to  griff
January 25, 2022 12:34 pm

Supposed to be below freezing today in Orlando

We’re heading into an Ice Age! Everyone panic!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
January 25, 2022 1:15 pm

Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s, there were several cold waves that killed almost all the orange groves around Orlando. I can remember driving to DisneyWorld and passing by mile after mile of dead orange trees.

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Peter W
January 25, 2022 11:37 am

true climate refugees embrace warmer climates

Last edited 4 months ago by joelobryan
Mark D
Reply to  Peter W
January 25, 2022 3:04 pm

I’ve had to scrape ice off the windshield in the morning and shuddered before an occasional dusting of snow at our home in SW Florida but by noon it was all good 😉
Can’t say that about current digs in Cincy.

John Garrett
January 25, 2022 6:58 am

HEADLINE:

(Bloomberg) Europe Forced to Rely on Expensive Dirty Coal to Keep Lights On
25 January, 2022

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-25/europe-forced-to-rely-on-expensive-dirty-coal-to-keep-lights-on

Derg
Reply to  John Garrett
January 25, 2022 8:14 am

“Dirty” 🙂

Gary Pearse
Reply to  John Garrett
January 25, 2022 8:45 am

There’s lots of clean coal out there Mr Bloomberg, or is this a political adjective?

bonbon
Reply to  Gary Pearse
January 25, 2022 9:02 am

Sir ‘tiny’ Mike has a thing about coal.

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  bonbon
January 25, 2022 11:39 am

Mini-Mike has a nice ring to it.

Devils Tower
Reply to  John Garrett
January 25, 2022 8:59 am

Back in the 70s industrial users switched from gas and oil back to coal for economic reasons.

They will be switching back to coal before long….

Rudi
January 25, 2022 6:59 am

If JB promises something it most probably is not going to happen.

Vuk
January 25, 2022 7:05 am

French environmental regulations has come to force, which means that from the January 1st it is effectively impossible to install a gas boiler in a newly built, but a replacement of old boiler is still allowed.
Stupid policy made by stupid policymakers. Fortunately, due to strong nuclear sector, the electricity prices are reasonable and annual price increase is limited to 4%, the number that the Brits can only dream about, but the EDF is majority state owned.

Mickey Reno
January 25, 2022 7:08 am

Where indeed? But you can’t expect such a rhetorical question to influence these greenie commies. The energy will come from the same imaginary Unicorn sphincter as economic “multipliers” and all that extra public Good that will come from their self-evidently True Utopian political visions, such as 100% renewable mandates and so forth. These fantasies are not bound by reality. No, they are UNCONSTRAINED visions, i.e. pipe dreams.

Time for them to read Thomas Sowell’s “A Conflict of Visions.” I almost said reread, but I’m pretty sure 99.9% of them have never read it in the first place. Handy hint: you can read it for free, online https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL232262A/Thomas_Sowell

Speed
January 25, 2022 7:14 am

According to the chart, 47% of the power comes from natural gas — cheap, safe, reliable and relatively clean.
In a rational world these would be the last replaced.

22% of the power come from nuclear — cheap, safe, reliable and absolutely clean.
In a truly rational world we would be building nuclear power plants as fast as we could.

All submarines in the U.S. Navy are nuclear-powered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines_in_the_United_States_Navy

The U.S. Navy has 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers with four more planned.
https://www.military.com/navy/us-navy-ships.html

Crazy world.

bonbon
Reply to  Speed
January 25, 2022 8:55 am

Mil – nukes are ok, just not nukes for civies.
Meanwhile Russia nuclear ice-breakers are busy :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_icebreaker

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  bonbon
January 25, 2022 11:45 am

The US Navy nukes use a reactor fuel that is much more enriched in U-235 than commercial fuel pellets. This level of enrichment is expensive but reduces the size of the core and overall weight considerably. Plus Navy ship design don’t need continuous steady output for 20 years. A submarine will spend half or more of its life docked in port and when deployed will probably run 50%-80% rated output over most of its operational use. Thius allows the newest reactor designs to never have to be refueld before they are replaced in the fleet.
A commercial thermal reactor will run near 100% rated output for two years on low enriched uranium and shutdow to refuel every 2 years or so.

mkelly
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 25, 2022 12:34 pm

“Half or more of its life docked in port.”

This is news to me. During my service time they had blue and gold crews for each boat. Boat pulls in one crew got off one on. Only time a boat was in was required maintenance, damage repair, upgrades of some sort. But it was way less than half.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
January 25, 2022 1:20 pm

Out of the thousands of civilian nuclear reactors in the world, there have been only three accidents, and all three used old designs that are no longer being built.
Three Mile Island, released less radiation than a couple of chest x-rays.
Chernobyl was a dangerous design that was rejected in the west, but used by the Soviets because it was cheap and because it could be reconfigured to produce plutonium. They also save money by not building a containment vessel, which is standard in the west.
Fukishima was a simple design mistake that had already been noted, but since the plant was due to be decommissioned in a few months, management decided not to fix.

Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 7:14 am

Today’s Bah-stin Globe has an article that says the sea has risen 9″ in Newport, RI since 1930, “faster than the global average”: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/01/25/metro/wetter-warmer-more-extreme-report-lays-out-climate-change-impacts-ri/

I’m not aware that Newport is slowly sinking like much of the coastal plain further south. So, how can the sea rise faster there than the global average?- and, isn’t 9″ a wee bit of an exaggeration? Maybe Newport is sinking and if it is, then 9″ might be possible but then that fact is irrelevant to the bigger climate “threat”. The first comment at the bottom of the article is, “Cue all the climate change deniers who will claim this is fake news even as they are treading water.” I think it is fake news but since I don’t have the facts, I’m not going to comment there – or I’ll be pounced on by dozens of climatistas. Bah-stin is full of them, especially Cambridge- or I should say “The People’s Republic of Cambridge”- where I’m told, if you have a tree in your yard and you want to cut it- first you must get a certified arborist to write a report saying the tree is dead or dying- otherwise, you don’t dare cut that tree!

TonyL
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 10:19 am

My most recent look at Bah-stin has SLR at 11.3 inches/century. We like to fraction that out to about 2/3 base SLR (about 8 inches) and 1/3 to geologic subsidence of Southern New England (the remainder at 3.3 inches).
I have looked at The Battery in NYC and it tells very much the same story. So I would expect Providence and Newport to fall right in line with Boston-New York City.
The Boston Glob claims 9 inches since 1930, call it 90 years.
Let’s see {scribble-scribble}…..
11.3 * 0.9 = 10.2 inches in 90 years.
Seems about right.

When dealing with creatures from “The People’s Republic of Cambridge”, there are a few things you can try. Remind them that:
1) The Back Bay area used to be a bay.
2) The Fenway used to be a fen, that is to say, a swamp. In this case a salt water marsh.
3) SLR does not seem to be bothering the Harbor Tunnels at all, especially the new Big Dig tunnels. Or even the Sumner + Callahan tunnels which were built in the 1930s.

You should be able to get heads to explode without too much trouble.

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  TonyL
January 25, 2022 11:56 am

If we could instantly zip-out to 22K light years and point a telescope back at Earth (a ginormous telescope) we’d see a 1,000′ tall glacier of ice stretching out across what is now Boston Harbor calving into the continental shelf edge 15 miles from today’s Boston where the Atlantic shoreline would be. A frozen wasteland landscape.

Garboard
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 12:34 pm

NOAA tide gauge shows 2.85 mm/yr . No acceleration . World average is less than 2mm . No acceleration

Paul in Boston
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 25, 2022 5:14 pm

The daily tides in Boston harbor are about ten feet. If you were at the base of a basketball hoop at low tide, you could literally dunk the ball from your kayak one handed at high tide. Some days it goes to twelve feet and you’d have to dive to put the ball through the hoop.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Paul in Boston
January 26, 2022 7:26 am

Ha that’s nothing.The tidal range in the Mersey Estuary (UK) can be as much as 9 metres but as far as I know Liverpool and Birkenhead, opposite each other on either side of the estuary are still there! 🙂

Gregory Woods
January 25, 2022 7:32 am

You mean Traitor Joe?

Pauleta
January 25, 2022 7:33 am

Well, you get what you voted for, right?

Joel O'Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Pauleta
January 25, 2022 11:57 am

No. I didn’t vote for socialism, but that is what is trying to be foisted on our nation.

billtoo
January 25, 2022 7:43 am

oh please. there are still huge tracts of forest that can be cut to make room for solar.

Reply to  billtoo
January 25, 2022 8:09 am

For saving climte, if necessary, living forests are much better than any panel.

John Tillman
Reply to  billtoo
January 25, 2022 8:35 am

Solar in NE doesn’t compute.

Derg
Reply to  John Tillman
January 25, 2022 9:15 am

I was thinking op was posting sarcasm ?

John Tillman
Reply to  Derg
January 25, 2022 12:17 pm

Hard to tell. Might have missed it. My bad.

menace
Reply to  John Tillman
January 26, 2022 8:02 am

Interesting that in NE solar is 6x more than wind generation, which is almost nonexistent there.

Everyone in NE is all in for covering mid-west and west with wind turbines but will not tolerate any in their backyards.

Edit: I just realized that chart is real time power so apparently wind is not blowing in dead of winter, I wonder what the average NE wind generating capacity is?

Wind doesn’t blow when needed most… so tell me again why is net zero a good idea???

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Brad-DXT
Reply to  billtoo
January 25, 2022 9:31 am

You forgot the sarc tag.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  billtoo
January 25, 2022 9:43 am

@billtoo

Sorry, you should generally use a “/sarc” tag when posting tongue-in-cheek. Too many warmunists would actually believe that to be a good thing and occasionally they post here.

Last edited 4 months ago by D. J. Hawkins
John Hultquist
Reply to  billtoo
January 25, 2022 1:14 pm

See Poe’s Law, an adage of Internet culture.

TonyG
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 25, 2022 2:06 pm

At this point, Poe’s Law makes the laws of Thermodynamics look like mere suggestions.

Terry
January 25, 2022 7:51 am

Well perhaps folks shouldn’t live in these cold areas. I’d like to move to California or Arizona for example

Spetzer86
Reply to  Terry
January 25, 2022 8:16 am

Bring your own water for whatever amount of time you’re planning on staying…

ResourceGuy
January 25, 2022 7:53 am

Since Harvard students want to give away timber land assets in the endowment fund, maybe buying up pipelines in the Northeast to close them down would be a better option. Those voters need to learn some hard lessons starting with Edward Markey’s enablers.

geoffrey pohanka
January 25, 2022 8:00 am

The climate fear is false……take a look at the CO2 Coalitions climate quiz https://co2coalition.org/climate-quiz/

ResourceGuy
January 25, 2022 8:17 am

Promise? They deserve it most.

Linda Goodman
January 25, 2022 8:32 am

Of course millions people will die, it’s a culling. Did you catch the medical roundtable yesterday? It will terrify and infuriate you.
https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html
Medical Doctors Pandemic Response Roundtable
“Discussion begins around 40 minute mark. A group of world renowned doctors and medical experts provide a different perspective on the global pandemic response, the current state of knowledge of early and hospital treatment, vaccine efficacy and safety, what went right, what went wrong, what should be done now, and what needs to be addressed long term.”

MarkW
Reply to  Linda Goodman
January 25, 2022 9:36 am

A Hospital in Boston has decided to remove anyone who isn’t vaccinated from the organ transplant waiting lists.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/boston-patient-heart-transplant-vaccinated

TonyL
Reply to  Linda Goodman
January 25, 2022 10:39 am

Senator Ron Johnson. A sitting US senator, not a crazy conspiracy theory lunatic.
Yikes!

Some people have maintained that the full-press vaccination campaign is an intelligence test.
Either you pass it………. or not.

H.R.
Reply to  ResourceGuy
January 25, 2022 6:35 pm

I see. So, let’s just shut down all trucking to halt CO2 emissions. That will stop ‘Climate Change’ and thus, fix the supply chain problem.

Wait….. I think I’m missing something.

Andy Pattullo
January 25, 2022 10:56 am

The Green New Deal is just like socialism. It may fail to deliver on it’s promises today, it may fail tomorrow, it may fail repeatedly in the coming decades leavening many to die in the cold and dark, but that’s just because folks aren’t doing it right. At not time should one ever consider the possibility that it is complete and utter nonsense with not a shred of science or common sense underpinning it.

Bruce Cobb
January 25, 2022 12:00 pm

Hydro Quebec was set to run a high power transmission line, first through New Hampshire, but that was blocked by Nimbyism and envirofascism, then they tried a route down through Maine, but that was blocked for similar reasons. A natural gas line started being built that would have supplied Massachusetts but it stalled due to opposition, and lack of support. Where do people think their power comes from anyway? I guess they want fairy dust and unicorn farts.

John Tillman
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 25, 2022 1:01 pm

Bribem’s flatulence might be an important untapped energy source!

MarkW
Reply to  John Tillman
January 25, 2022 1:24 pm

If you’re not careful, Dr. Vigo will accuse you of trying to bully the president. They might even sic the Secret Service on you.

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
January 25, 2022 2:39 pm

Bring it!

I’ve killed the foreign enemies of my country, better men than the politicized toadies of today’s SS and FBI.

My skill at arms and allegiance to the Constitution far exceed theirs, whose alleigance is to retirement.

I am no threat to anyone who leaves me alone to participate in my enjoyment of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, rights derived from God and guaranteed by the Declaration, which is incorporated into the Constitution.

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Phil R
Reply to  MarkW
January 25, 2022 3:14 pm

if you’re lucky, maybe the batteries in the SS electric vehicles will die out before they get to you and you can escape while they’re recharging.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 25, 2022 8:10 pm

Why should the good people of NH or ME support transmission lines for the benefit of m___holes when the m___holes are unwilling to support reliable generation within MA?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
January 26, 2022 9:11 am

Because much of our power currently comes from south of the border. It would benefit the region. Same with NG.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 26, 2022 1:54 pm

It would surely benefit any region if its denizens were open to fossil fuel and nuclear power generation. My point was that if wealthier areas within the region (MA, CT, RI?) are dead set against these things, they shouldn’t complain if poorer areas of within the region (ME, NH?) put the kibosh on their schemes to wheel in energy from Canada.

observa
January 25, 2022 3:22 pm

Stop with the geothermal and thank goodness we’re warming the surface to ameliorate this core crisis-
Earth’s Core Is Cooling Faster Than Scientists Expected (msn.com)

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  observa
January 25, 2022 9:29 pm

That’s what I said
Too much geothermal, core freezes, magnetosphere collapses and we all die from galactic radiation.

Geothermal ki!!s

John Tillman
Reply to  observa
January 26, 2022 6:50 am

So we’re on the Mars Express, not Venus.

It doesn't add up...
January 25, 2022 6:06 pm

I was just glancing at the weather when I noticed this refutation of the idea that it’s always windy somewhere. At least over land, this appears to be a global stilling almost everywhere. So forget interties to solve your problems.

Global stilling.png
Steve Cushman
January 25, 2022 9:16 pm

Where will all the water to clean the dust off the solar panels in NV come from? While it is very sunny here in NV it is typically windy with many days with winds greater than 10MPH which kicks up dust storms worthy of the Sahara desert. In northern NV there is very little opportunity to install typical grid scale wind turbines because the wind is extremely gusty. Wind velocities can go from 15 MPH to 35-40MPH in seconds. So, in NV there is almost zippo wind power generation.

Vincent Causey
January 26, 2022 12:19 am

The wonderful thing about America is that people are free to move to other states which have warmer climates.

observa
January 26, 2022 3:33 am

The doomsters are pathological and getting worse-
U.S. corn production is booming—but not for the reasons scientists hoped (msn.com)
We know corn production is booming BUT…….!!

Are they working feverishly on a cure for the malaise or is it just a case of committal and ongoing medication?

John Tillman
Reply to  observa
January 26, 2022 7:04 am

Fails to mention more plant food in the air, ~290 ppm in 1880 to ~410 ppm now.

Ireneusz Palmowski
January 26, 2022 10:40 am

Current temperatures in the Great Lakes region.comment imagecomment image

ResourceGuy
January 26, 2022 1:16 pm

Yes, divert fuels to Europe. I want to watch this one.

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