President of China, Xi Jinping arrives in London, 19 October 2015. By Foreign and Commonwealth Office (China State Visit) [CC BY 2.0 or OGL], via Wikimedia Commons

SCMP: Australian Regime Change Required for Climate Cooperation with China

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Chinese Communist mouthpiece South China Morning Post has suggested Australia elect a Labor government, if we want climate cooperation and prosperity from trade with China.

Why are Australian firms still doing business with China? Partly to fight climate change, says ACRI report

Despite blowback amid deteriorating political ties, many Australian companies intend to keep up links with the world’s second-largest economyIn a report by the Australia-China Relations Institute, they deny being naive and say they see business opportunities in Beijing’s commitment to clean energy

Su-Lin Tan
Published: 5:00am, 9 Dec, 2021

  • Australian companies are continuing to do business with China not just for commercial reasons but because of a focus on climate change and carbon emissions reduction policies, new research has found.
  • Even though political relations between the two countries have sunk to their lowest in decades and Australian firms continue to suffer blowback for doing business with China, many have vowed to keep up their links with the world’s second-largest economy.

Some – like Woodside, one of Australia’s largest LNG producers – said they also liked working with China because of its “commitment to cleaner energy”.

“We have strong existing relationships with joint venture partners and other stakeholders in China aimed at furthering mutual development goals to support climate targets and the supply of cleaner energy,” Leo said in the report, titled “Behind the headlines: why Australian companies are still doing business with China”.

Another Australian company, and one of the world’s biggest iron ore producers, Fortescue Metals also said it had committed to tackling decarbonisation problems with China, its biggest customer.

The Australian China Business Council said Australian businesses showed interest in collaborating with China on climate change projects.

More, however, could be done by the Australian government to steer this along, said global advisory ICF lead climate specialist Huw Slater, who is based in Beijing.

The Australian national election next year could be another opportunity for a relationship reset, ACRI report author Glenda Korporaal said.

A Labor government – as opposed to the current Liberal government – would handle the relationship with China differently, she said.

“I think there would be less gratuitous offence. I think they would try and have a better relationship,” she said during a webinar discussing the report.

Alastair Symington, chief executive of supplements company Blackmore – which is well-known in China – said while national security was important, it had overshadowed the China debate in Australia.

Read more: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3158949/why-are-australian-firms-still-doing-business-china-partly

The “Gratuitous Offence” ACRI report author Glenda Korporaal refers to is Australia objecting to China’s alleged extensive use of slave labor and systematic genocide against Uyghurs, and Australia assisting the USA to defend freedom of navigation in the South China Sea.

China has repeatedly suggested that Australia is making a big mistake backing the USA over China, and has imposed punishments on Australia, such as economically painful import bans, to try to force obedience.

According to a 2020 US State Department report, China is committing genocide against Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang. I have also heard from sources I can’t name that the genocide has spread to Tibet and Inner Mongolia, but these reports are impossible to confirm. As the BBC reports, China appears to be conducting an “unprecedented campaign of intimidation against journalists“.

Despite all this, Australia’s commitment to alignment with the USA is not as stable as most people think. China may be attempting to exploit the fault lines.

In 2019, the Australian Federal Labor Party deputy leader urged more cooperation with China, including closer defence ties. I believe such calls to realign away from the USA are an expression of the simmering resentment which exists in some corners of Australia, over an alleged CIA intervention which toppled far left Australian Labor Prime Minister Gough Whitlam in 1975.

Personally I’d like to send whoever arranged Whitlam’s downfall a thank you card, in my opinion they likely saved Australia from a Cuban style Communist dictatorship. I remember my dad coming home one evening, telling my family his union had informed him Whitlam was about to nationalise the top 100 Australian companies, including the US owned company which he worked for. This occurred just before Whitlam was removed from office.

But there are a lot of Australians, mostly but not exclusively on the left of Australian politics, who even after all this time still resent the USA and Britain’s alleged role in Whitlam’s downfall. Labor politicians who were teenage activists under Whitlam, who experienced the bitterness of his downfall as impressionable kids, now run the Labor party. Many of these same people also support radical climate action.

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Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
December 9, 2021 6:07 pm

A labor government becomes the climate bed wetter’s dream team and then a lacke-y of the CCP, Labour would on orders from Beijing cancel military cooperation with the US. Most especially those Aussie nuclear-powered subs that would prevent a Chinese aggression.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
December 9, 2021 8:27 pm

You start off ok, then you wander into the realms of delusion.

Richard Page
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 2:22 am

It all depends on what the practical realities of ‘cooperation’ and ‘closer defence ties’ with China would entail.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Richard Page
December 10, 2021 3:11 am

Thoughts from within China is that Xi made himself president for life with the sole purpose of bringing Taiwan into the fold. I am very careful discussing things on wechat about CCP members. Discussion is roundabout and in English.
Australia would be expected to sever/cool relations with the US for defence ties with China. That’s not going to happen with this or future Australian governments. Cooperation would be simply trade.

Derg
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 4:35 am

Never trust anything coming from China CCP.

Bryan A
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
December 9, 2021 11:09 pm

The time has come to JUST SAY NO to China

No Chinese manufactured goods.
No Chinese generation supplies.
No exports To China
No imports from China

Let them keep their Knock-Off products.
Let them keep their crap Solar Panels
Let them keep their Fentanyl laced pharmaceuticals
Let them keep their fake N95 masks

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Bryan A
December 10, 2021 12:25 am

Good luck with that.

Derg
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 4:35 am

It is a very good rule for the western nations to live by.

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John Tillman
December 9, 2021 6:07 pm

Submit or suffer the consequences.

The CCP is investing heavily in aerial refueling, the better to Hong Kongize and Uyghurize Oz.

Capability not needed to subject Taiwan.

Forewarned is forearmed.

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  John Tillman
December 9, 2021 7:55 pm

They didn’t bomb Hong Kong or Xinjiang. Paranoid much? You could shoot down an aerial tanker with a tiger moth.

Interested Observer
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 9:32 pm

You could shoot down an aerial tanker with a tiger moth.”

1st Prize for Dumbest Comment in the Thread!

A Tiger Moth couldn’t even catch an aerial tanker, even if it were taking off or landing, let alone shoot one down (given that Tiger Moths are unarmed trainers).

But let’s pass over that obvious ignorance of the aircraft in question. Let’s focus instead on the fact that tankers are always escorted by first-line fighters. If you want to shoot one down, you’ll need a lot of missiles.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Interested Observer
December 9, 2021 9:50 pm

What if you had 200 tiger moths with missiles and they were flying towards the tanker, head on? What if you had Sailor Moon with her magical wand?
My point (that you missed) is that the scenario of aerial tankers coming from China to bomb Australia is ridiculous. I came up with an equally stupid response.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 11:42 pm

Aerial tankers don’t carry bombs. The concern is that with the use of aerial tankers, the PRC’s bombers would have much larger combat radii than they do without in-air refueling.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
December 10, 2021 12:24 am

I understand how aerial tankers work. The only reason the PRC would bomb Australia would be for some sort of retaliation. Their policy from inception has been that they have never invaded foreign soil and will never do so. I know there are lies in politics but find it unlikely that they would invade Australia. They have no need to invade to get resources when they can buy them freely.
The whole idea that their increasing of the number of aerial tankers to invade Australia is ridiculous.

QQBoss
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 2:58 am

You said: Their policy from inception has been that they have never invaded foreign soil and will never do so.

If you believe this to be true, you are potentially an ahistorical ignoramus, a repeater of statements you have heard without the ability or desire to vet them, or a shill. i am not ruling out “and”. Enjoy your wu mao, or go open up history books. Claiming that a territory was yours in the past (e.g. Tibet) is just a polite fiction that will be used again if they ever manage to successfully take territory from India or Vietnam (though their attempts to take territory in Vietnam ended-for the time being, 9…ooops 10-dash line excepted, in the early ’80s when I am pretty sure you know who was in charge). For ancient history, look up the history of the word kamikazi or read up on The Gates of Vienna, which seems relevant as the current government likes to base their legitimacy on 4000-7000 years of history when it is convenient.

That said, below you stated that people in China are not forced to take the vaccine. There is a grain of truth to that, unless you are a grade school student. All public school students (and China recently nationalized all private schools so they all fall under the same rules) are required to be vaccinated if they are 3 years of age or older (unless there is a medical excuse). Adults are heavily pressured to get the vaccine, but not technically required. Not being vaccinated may affect your ability to be employed and/or your social credit score, though, and depending on other issues could mean you are prohibited from traveling beyond the borders of the province you are a resident of (and could be forced to repatriate to the province of your hukou), prevented from buying/owning property outside your hukou province, and other issues. So it isn’t required, but you could become a second class citizen if someone in power decides to take notice. The farther you get from Beijing, the less strictly this is enforced until Beijing orders a crackdown.

CP members are absolutely required to be vaccinated, though there is something of a minor scandal related to that about a select group of party members and roughly 50k (IIRC, not interested in relocating the stories at the moment to confirm) of their family members. Anyone trying to apply to join the CP must be vaccinated.

Recently, any non-Beijing hukou college students attending college in Beijing have been told that they must also get (or renew) their measles vaccination, which is an interesting data point- I only suspect what the reasoning is at this point.

Foreigners are told that if they don’t accept to be fully vaccinated with a Chinese vaccine, they will not be allowed to return to China if they leave for any reason (so returning home to visit my sister while she deals with cancer would result in my not being able to return to my wife & son if I was not vaccinated). In spite of being vaccinated, I am periodically required by circumstances to provide proof of negative PCR tests to be able to participate in certain activities or if I travel outside of the controlled area of Beijing (roughly 6th Ring Road in any direction). But beyond that, no, I have have not had more pressure than that probably because I have informed my employer I have no intention to renew my current contract. If that changes, I expect to be told getting a booster is a condition of signing a new contract, but that is 6 months in the future.

Threats to bar entry to shopping centers, supermarkets, public transportation, and other facilities, though, remain only threats at this point. If for any reason you are forced to quarantine, there is a distinct likelihood any pets you have will be euthanized using a police baton or other blunt object, or whatever method the quarantine enforcers find convenient.

Not your “friend”, but an actual firsthand account that ai thought others might appreciate. I don’t expect you will find much value in it, though I would love to be wrong.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  QQBoss
December 10, 2021 4:09 am

I said that was their stated policy and added that politicians lie.
The Chinese have had border disputes for a long time. A decade or so ago they finalised the border with Russia.
‘Ownership’ of land has been the subject of wars for thousands of years. Empires have risen and fallen. It’s not just ancient history but also recent.
You seem to be on the ground in Beijing so I will cede to your knowledge and current experience. My friend is from Shenyang and we asked a simple question about mandates and got a simple response. In my experience, the Chinese go to hospitals at the drop of a hat. I feel there would be little resistance to getting the jab.
I found your comment very enlightening. It was far better than some commenters that get information from their favourite MSM.
The measles thing is something they do every few years.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  QQBoss
December 10, 2021 5:19 am

First-hand accounts are always appreciated. Thanks.

Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 3:04 am

Tibet

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
December 10, 2021 3:38 am

They consider Tibet their own. They also consider Taiwan their own. According to their own logic, it’s not an invasion.
I think there is zero chance of wresting Tibet from them and also think there is zero chance of getting their hands on Taiwan.
Right or wrong about this situation is not something I will get passionate about. I am a curious observer.

Patrick Peake
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 4:41 am

Vietnam?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Patrick Peake
December 10, 2021 5:22 am

In the case of Vietnam, the Chicoms were not successful in stealing Vietnamese land in the 1980’s. The Vietnamese military bloodied the Chicom’s nose, and they backed off.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 6:19 am

And now they consider most of the South China Sea to be “Their Own”…Even Philippine Territorial Waters…Expand and Invade much? They certainly do!

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Bryan A
December 10, 2021 4:57 pm

I’m not denying that. I also don’t approve of their behaviour. Understanding the thinking of someone does not imply approval.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 11:47 am

Skimming your unsupported assertions largely in support of the Chi-coms, there was nothing worth taking my time (given, others have already done a fine job of that) to address.

Then, I read, “According to their own logic, it’s not an invasion.” Nonsense!

And vile nonsense, to boot. That is this same lie that Russia/the U.S.S.R. (de facto, with the governors of the former states selected by Russia) uses to grab territory. That the Nazis used. That virtually EVERY crooked regime uses to invade and steal others’ land (and, as with Hong Kong, also in violation of a treaty).

It is clear that you have a money interest in defending them. No? Then, you must be motivated merely by the twisted pleasure you take in promoting lies just to see decent people perturbed enough to step up and firmly rebut them.

Here’s some logic for you; your own remarks show that you are:

1) greedy and wicked;

OR

2) sick and wicked;

OR

3) merely sick.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Janice Moore
December 10, 2021 3:43 pm

Apparently English isn’t your first language, either that or you have poor comprehension skills. At no point did I support anything from CCP.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Interested Observer
December 9, 2021 10:56 pm

tankers are always escorted by first-line fighters

No, they’re not. If you see a tanker with fighters, it’s dragging them someplace where they might need a little extra gas to get there.

Interested Observer
Reply to  Mike McMillan
December 10, 2021 6:29 am

My bad. I assumed the situation to be that of a hot war between modern powers, not that of a powerful nation beating up on another nation with little or no ability to fight back (like all the wars fought since WW2).

In a hot war between modern powers, tankers would be prime targets precisely because of their ability to extend the range of strike assets. Unescorted tankers would be shot down very quickly.

bonbon
Reply to  John Tillman
December 10, 2021 2:57 am

That comment required zero mentation. We have a Greta pandemic!

Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  John Tillman
December 10, 2021 3:02 am

Tibet

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
December 10, 2021 5:26 am

And the Chicoms are working on taking over Bhutan.

The Chicoms are deliberately destroying the cultures of these lands they occupy. They are trying to turn Tibetans into good Chinese citizens by destroying Tibetan society.

And the Chicoms are doing the same thing to all ethnic minorities under their control. This is Big Brother in the flesh.

Tom Halla
December 9, 2021 6:07 pm

Considering how authoritarian the current government is on COVID and climate change, going even more authoritarian is difficult to consider. But there is always “much worse” as a choice.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 9, 2021 7:16 pm

Funny thing is that Covid jabs are not mandatory in China. I have acquaintances in China. Maybe if China took over Australia we would have less restrictions.
Please don’t fall out of your tree and call me a CCP troll. I am only referring to one thing and not the whole range of problems with China.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 8:49 pm

Well, I haven’t fallen out of any trees lately.

But you certainly do a great job of ‘pretending’ to be a CCP troll.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 9, 2021 9:01 pm

You have a good grip on the branch. Can you deny my statement? I would suggest getting a grip but it seems you already have one. I’m not sure if the grip is on a branch.

LdB
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 11:07 pm

Yeah because being getting a covid jab and being asked to carry proof is such a big thing. Sometimes you just have to wish a pile of grief on the dropkicks of the world so they can see what real restrictions look like.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  LdB
December 9, 2021 11:53 pm

There is some freedom of choice in countries that are considered authoritarian. I’m not saying that it applies to all things.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 11:19 pm

Interestingly China doesn’t agree with you regarding “Jabs”. China reports distributing 2.574 B Covid Vaccinations

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Bryan A
December 9, 2021 11:48 pm

My friend in a Chinese university sits beside a person who is not jabbed and there is no pressure for them to be jabbed or any discrimination. Maybe that is an unusual circumstance. I think that that is unlikely.
I might add that number of shots distributed in China does not equal it being mandatory.

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LdB
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 1:05 am

You obviously know nothing of China it has a great stance on anti-vaxers and it has been mandatory for longer. Refuse and Local authorities will arrest you hold you down and forcibly vaccinate you. I would like to send you there to give us your experience but you can’t even get in the country without being fully vaccinated.

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  LdB
December 10, 2021 1:21 am

I lived there for 14 years (pre covid). We have friends there that we are in weekly communication with. Not so long ago we asked the question about mandatory jabs. The response was as I pointed out above. I guess you know better.

LdB
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 5:12 am

Yeah sure you are all over it .. allow me to give you an alternative view other than your “friends”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/28/chinas-use-force-and-coercion-drive-its-covid-19-vaccination-rate-not-answer

The Chinese legal framework they are using to do that
https://www.dovepress.com/public-health-and-private-life-under-covid-19-vaccination-policies-in–peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-RMHP

The key point
In April 2021 the NHC proposed voluntary vaccination against COVID-19 based on informed consent.9 In practice, however, immunization against COVID-19 appears to be managed by local governments. For instance, several local governments have instituted parallel administrative instruments mandating COVID-19 vaccination for all residents in their jurisdictions, contrary to the central government guideline that vaccination should be voluntary.

December 9, 2021 6:09 pm

I too would like to give my personal congratulations to whosoever arranged for the downfall of Tyrant Whitlam. They saved Australia from a Venezuelan Style dictatorship and economic subjugation.

Dudley Horscroft(@dudleyhorscroft)
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 9, 2021 6:42 pm

He arranged it himself by (a) running a completely incompetent government, (b) refusing to accept that the Senate could refuse to pass the budget, and (c) after being dismissed, went and had a good lunch without telling his offsiders in the Senate that he had been dismissed, thus allowing the Budget to be passed under Prime Minister Fraser.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
December 9, 2021 7:16 pm

Agreed entirely self-inflicted, the Whitlam government followed an equally incompetent conservative government, its fall was due to many factors some quite farcical: an incompetent philandering Marxist treasurer, the so-called Loans Affair and an annual inflation rate in double figures amongst many others.
It was an extraordinarily lively three year period in Australian political history which is why journalists and the media loved him, he was good for (their) business but no-one else’s.

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MarkW
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
December 9, 2021 7:49 pm

Some people have a desperate need to believe that anything that they don’t like in politics, was somehow engineered by the US.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2021 8:02 pm

You clearly don’t live in Australia. The U.S. has had us by the b@lls forever. Some people in Australia are into BDSM and like it. Others hate it. The US has a past history of interfering with governments around the world.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 9, 2021 8:54 pm

You are speaking about one issue. I’m referring to a range of other issues. The US applies pressure and we accede to most of their desires.

LdB
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 11:10 pm

Define the pressure?
Do they threaten to invade us?
Do they threaten to not trade with us?

So be specific what pressure?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  LdB
December 10, 2021 12:47 am

I guess you are new to international politics. We need to cooperate because we are ‘defended’ by the US and we are allies and have to support the US in all its endeavours. It also gives Australian soldiers the opportunity to shoot people in other countries without starting wars with them. We also get the privilege of buying US weapons and housing CIA bases. As a matter of fact, Biden was threatening tariffs if we didn’t cooperate on climate. The dildo was advised that Australia imports more from the US than exports to it. That changed his handlers rhetoric. Australia was pushed to question China about the Wuhan release of the virus which cost us exports. The beneficiary of the loss of exports was the US who increased their exports.
Have no doubts that the US would push us under a bus if it suited them.

LdB
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 5:16 am

“Biden was threatening tariffs if we didn’t cooperate on climate” = Bullshit
Show any credible source that said that.

“Australia was pushed to question China about the Wuhan release of the virus” = Bullshit
Show any credible source that said that.

You sound more and more like a paid Chinese troll and why you would have friends in China.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 5:41 am

“Have no doubts that the US would push us under a bus if it suited them.”

I don’t think that is true. A fool like Biden might try to do something like that if it suited him politically, but the American people would not support abandoning Australia.

Australians and Americans have fought side by side in many wars. I don’t see that changing.

The radical Democrats do not represent the majority of Americans.

Dennis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 10, 2021 9:59 pm

I have learnt that many Americans know about Australia but know very little about Australia. Like foreign investment and that the US and UK are the largest sources of foreign investment here and therefore have a vested interest in looking after their close allies and investments.

Or that our nations have fought together in wars for a very long time, close allies and since WW2 among the various mutual defence arrangements Australia is one of the very important intelligence gathering group known as the Five Eyes Alliance, a very closely knit group of allies sharing top secret information and intelligence gathering.

And the US shares Australian Defence Force Bases, one is a vital communications, intelligence gathering, surveillance and other tasks Base at Pine Gap NT, and others.

There are a number of defence support agreements including ANZUS, QUAD and recently created AUKUS that include India and Japan with Australia-New Zealand and USA. And more.

Australian based radio telescopes and communications were a vital link during the space travel and Moon landing.

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bonbon
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 11, 2021 2:22 am

From Pilger’s links here :
“Try to screw us or bounce us,” Whitlam warned the US ambassador, Walter Rice, “[and Pine Gap] will become a matter of contention”.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 10, 2021 5:33 am

I never heard of this particular CIA plot before reading this article.

It sounds like the politician referred to in the conspiracy theory, lost his political position because he was not a very good politician.

bonbon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 2:20 am

Asleep at the wheel ?
Just see what Whitlam said about Pine Gap :
http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-cia-coup-against-the-most-loyal-ally-is-history-s-warning-in-2020

bonbon
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 10, 2021 2:43 am

The Queen awaits graciously your presence – you might even be beknighted!

Doug D
December 9, 2021 6:26 pm

I know Oz has sunk below sea level , but to co operate with the worlds biggest slave holder , you will become lower than whale 💩

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Doug D
December 9, 2021 7:22 pm

Ambergris is quite valuable and expensive.

Interested Observer
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 9, 2021 9:37 pm

Ambergris, yes; whale sh*t, not so much.

Maybe we could increase its value by convincing Greenies that it’s a renewable resource and the answer to all our energy needs.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Interested Observer
December 9, 2021 9:58 pm

I was hoping to get away with it. I purposely neglected the ageing process. We could always organise some greenies to swim behind whales and gather things and store such things in oak casks.

Doug D
December 9, 2021 6:27 pm

About 150 nuts would do it for China. It’s long past time

Zig Zag Wanderer
December 9, 2021 7:14 pm

Well, they’re not wrong. A Labor Lobotomy would definitely lay down and let China walk all over our national interests.

Dennis
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 10, 2021 10:02 pm

It was said that better a bottle in front of me than a Labor Lobotomy

markl
December 9, 2021 7:39 pm

Australian companies are continuing to do business with China not just for commercial reasons but because of a focus on climate change and carbon emissions reduction policies, new research has found.” Research? That’s a good one. And which country exactly is the leader in reducing CO2?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  markl
December 9, 2021 7:50 pm

MSM of all countries is a mouthpiece of someone.

MARTIN BRUMBY
December 9, 2021 8:59 pm

It is worth also reminding readers, of the CCP’s treatment of Falangong believers.

And all the evidence on the origins of Covid points to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Wet Market? Ridiculous.

The question there, is whether the lab “leak” was really “accidental”. Spreading it around the globe whilst internal travel was banned, is yet more clear evidence of Xi Jinping’s malice.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 9, 2021 9:19 pm

I’m not sure I can see the connection with voting in a Labor government in Australia and the Falungong, wet markets and covid being spread maliciously. Perhaps I’m on different medication.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 1:26 am

No. Just on Xi’s payroll.
Not even an effective troll.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 10, 2021 1:38 am

I don’t like him so I’m unlikely to be on his payroll.
What is an ‘effective troll’?

LdB
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 10, 2021 5:18 am

If it quacks like a duck it’s usually a duck.

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bonbon
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 10, 2021 2:40 am

Apparently some have not done any homework, like Greta :

6000 pratiquants taïwanais du Falun Gang formant une croix gammée, le symbole de Falun Gang et la devise du mouvement : authenticité, tolérance, bonté.

Charming bunch, what? Now I wonder which NGO’s support this?

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  bonbon
December 10, 2021 3:20 am

They are a cult. The general populace of China thinks they are anti-government ratbags and avoid them. They only seem ‘popular’ outside China.

bonbon
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 11, 2021 2:16 am

They even have their own press , the Epoch Times, which it seems many outsiders swallow hook and sinker.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  bonbon
December 11, 2021 7:22 pm

It’s a bit of an echo chamber on this site sometimes. You must conform.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 10, 2021 5:52 am

I would say it pretty much has to be an accidental release of the Wuhan virus because it appears Chicom officials were totally unprepared for the virus outbreak. If the Chicoms had an effective vaccine right off the bat, then it could have been deliberate, but they don’t have such protection. They are just as vulnerable to the virus as the rest of us.

On the other hand, releasing the Wuhan virus into the rest of the world was a deliberate act of treachery, for which the Chicoms should be punished.

They knew they had a highly infectious disease spreading in their country, yet they pretended it was not a serious virus, and even said it could not be passed human to human, all the while, they were encouraging international travel into and out of China while restricting travel inside China at the same time.

The Chicoms decided if they were going to suffer with the Wuhan virus, then everybody else was going to suffer.

There is no doubt the Chicoms expedited the spread of the Wuhan virus around the world deliberately.

H B
December 9, 2021 9:20 pm

Kiss of death for the ALP

LdB
December 9, 2021 11:17 pm

China would prefer labor simply because it has some friends their like Bob Carr, Paul Keating.
They have also managed to get a few puppets like Sam Dastyari and Shaoquett Moselmane who have been picked up by ASIO.

Geoff Sherrington
December 10, 2021 1:10 am

It gets too complicated sometimes.
Blackmore is a company selling alternative medicine products and similar pseudo-pharmacy products like cosmetics, weight loss potions and so on. Turning mud into overpriced goo for female faces, that type of product whose price is set by advertising and marketing gurus, but has next to no intrinsic value.
Another group mentioned is the mineral resources group Fortescue, who take raw materials like iron-rich rocks and powders for conversion into products like iron and steel that society demands. These products have high intrinsic value. Calculate the costs of alternatives, if you can find any that work.
So, why should such different companies be lumped by journalists with track records into one common article? My guess is to claim that all Australian companies, no matter what they sell, should join in this common purpose of sucking up to Chinese commos. That is quite a stretch.
I really have no idea why this article was written. We Australians have a national Government with a Department of Trade to set preferred policy that to my limited knowledge is now concentrated more on capable helicopters and nuclear sub’s and not on fairy talk of grovelling to competitors about global warming. Geoff S

Geoff Sherrington
December 10, 2021 1:55 am

When Mr Whitlam was PM, we hosted him, Mrs W, daughter Cathy, three Federal Ministers, one Dept Head, two pilots, several security guards and some useful others, to a weekend at our exploration camp at Jabiru. I took on the job of hosting Mrs W (Margaret, who had to be an OK person to put up with Gough day and night). Oh, there were a few dozen reporters/journalists there as well.
It did not start well.
The RAAF aircraft got lost and landed late after the plane load of press. On taxi, the PM’s plane wing tip sheared off the top of the press plane’s rudder.
Then it started to go worse.
One Minister went missing on the first night, found asleep next day in a construction trench, crooning a Scots melody to a bottle of whisky. Gough and Margaret declined an invitation two return in two weeks for the local tug o war competition. The local ladies got a raffle going about whether Gogh would sleep with Margaret that night. Gough, offered a free ticket, asked how would they know. Reply, the ladies did the laundry for the guest house. One of the office ladies became infatuated and insisted Gough dance with her, expressing undying love and demanding it in return. It took our CEO, 4 security guards and two Ministers of the Crown (but not Margaret) to extricate her.
One could write a best seller about it. Security guards delayed the official departure because the locals had souvenired their guns while drunk.
No wildlife was harmed. Geoff

Dennis
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
December 10, 2021 10:07 pm

Geoff, during the 1960s Cathy was attending a Church of England non-government school in Sydney where her mother was a former student, one morning when stopped by school prefects entering the school grounds for a uniform inspection she told the prefects that one day her father (opposition leader at the time) would one day become our president.

The girls though that she meant prime minister.

An interesting remark.

bonbon
December 10, 2021 2:34 am

Whitlam’s sacking was Australian regime change, at the explicit prerogative of the Queen.

What upset London so much was Whitlam was going to buy back the farm, and develop, industrialize Australia. How dare he!

Instead the financial oligarchy left Australia as the worlds largest quarry.

Not known how much the Hong Kong press SCMP know about Whitlam, but after all, Britain only returned Hong Kong in 1997, after it was seized in 1841 during the First Opium War.

China has direct experience of British Regime Change opium wars, with US propaganda relentless today.
Now Australia has become a quarry soon with US nuke submarines, and no nuclear power.

Maybe China does not use rose-tinted glasses?

Seems to me China and Australia have more in common than Buckingham will ever admit.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  bonbon
December 10, 2021 5:57 am

So it wasn’t the CIA, it was the British?

Maybe they were in cahoots.

Dennis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 10, 2021 10:18 pm

Consider the relationships, Five Eyes Intelligence Alliance, members UK, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

bonbon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 11, 2021 1:54 am

The Queens prerogative powers became public only in 2003.
Mystery lifted on Queen’s powersGreat British political riddle solved as scope of the royal prerogative is revealed for the first time

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/oct/21/uk.freedomofinformation

On May 30, 2020, 211 letters deposited in 1978 to be released in 2037, were made public.

Regime change as the CIA call it, is not new.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bonbon
December 12, 2021 4:33 am

The CIA better get busy. There are a lot of other regimes that need to be changed right now.

Dennis
Reply to  bonbon
December 10, 2021 10:16 pm

Please read the Australian Constitution and constitutional laws, the Whitlam Labor Government was not dismissed by the Governor General, because there was a hung parliament, meaning the Government could not get bills passed because it lacked the required numbers, a constitutional crisis was created and the short story is that to resolve the crisis a new election was required.

PM Whitlam was asked by the GG to shut down Parliament, become a caretaker government and call an election immediately. Whitlam refused so the GG called upon the Opposition Leader and put the same proposal to him and Fraser accepted, and was appointed caretaker PM and the Opposition a caretaker government. The people dismissed the Whitlam Labor Government in a landslide election defeat.

Why a constitutional crisis, again without writing a book about it, Whitlam and inner circle Ministers plotted to illegally borrow billions of dollars from a Middle Eastern source and were caught negotiating in a hotel room that was bugged, the tape recordings were made public and were called the Age Tapes after the newspaper that published the details. Any public or private sector borrowing of funds from foreign sources needed to be approved by what was called the Loans Council and Whitlam Labor did not consult that organisation as they were required by law to do.

bonbon
Reply to  Dennis
December 11, 2021 2:00 am

Please check the Head of State’s prerogative powers revealed above, and then talk about a constitution. Canada, Australia, NZ have all the same status.

Regime Change is usually reserved for Islamic, South American or African countries – well look what it did to Australia: the worlds largest quarry.
Much more here :
The forgotten coup – how America and Britain crushed the government of their ‘ally’, Australia
http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-forgotten-coup-how-america-and-britain-crushed-the-government-of-their-ally-australia

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Dan M
December 10, 2021 8:49 am

In the rest of the world, Marxists and Socialists are very open about their objectives, but not so much in the US until the last few years when leftists (who call themselves “Progressives”) became more open about their admiration for Marxism and Marxist regimes like Cuba and China. I think this is so because they are confident in the effectiveness of their decades in the making takeover of American public education and universities to propagandize and recruit our youth. They used to do this undercover but now they are quite open about it.
The Democrat party leadership (the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer) could have, but has not repudiated them because they care more about holding onto power than anything else. It started with their allowing Bernie Sanders to run for the Democrat nomination for President in 2016. Rather than educate younger Democrats on the evils of Communism (aka Bernie’s “Socialism”), they said “we’re a big tent” and allowed them into the party. Now the Progressives have more or less taken over. The Democrat leadership can’t do anything without their approval. Furthermore, Biden’s Progressive handlers are getting him to appoint Progressives into to the administrative state at all levels, which will be difficult to root out later.
Finally, the Biden crime family owes too much of its wealth to China and Russia to actually do anything to oppose them anywhere in the world. I shudder to think of what could happen when those 2 countries decide to move in a bolder way.

Shoki Kaneda
December 10, 2021 4:25 pm

Now the Aussies know what not to do.

Dennis
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
December 10, 2021 10:32 pm

In my opinion as a keen adult lifetime observer of politics and current affairs the present day Australian governments are caught up in the UN based leftism, globalism and inevitability of gradualism socialism (Fabian Society UK started late 1800s and Australia Fabian Society closely associated with the Australian Labor Party). In other words the Commonwealth of Australia is caught in a climate hoax political battle.

When the UN was established after WW2 for very good purposes and intentions it was infiltrated by communists, call them Marxist or whatever. In fact Australian Labor Party Government Attorney General Evatt created the plan for treaties and agreements to be signed between the UN and member nations, the purpose was to get around constitutional laws. For example, sign a treaty-agreement and then legislate it into law and create laws in state governments and regulations imposed by even local government councils. No referendum conducted to ask the people.

The point is that a conservative Australian Liberal-National Coalition Government has to tread carefully in foreign affairs, trade, defence matters and cooperate with allies. That does not mean that allies dictate all the terms but they can influence. UK and US wanted Australia to agree to stop coal mining at COP26 but that was not done. However the three nations did earlier agree to a strengthened defence alliance called AUKUS.

Unfortunately even the centre to centre-right parties have now been infiltrated and are influenced by their woke left leaning members and the Prime Minister walks through minefields to avoid being destroyed from within, and therefore looking from the outside he appears to lack the strength we on the right would like him to display.

bonbon
Reply to  Dennis
December 11, 2021 2:29 am

Aussia Prime Ministers look over their shoulders since Whitlam was dismissed by the Queen – the Crown reserves these prerogative powers, which only recently came to light.

Dennis
Reply to  bonbon
December 11, 2021 8:16 pm

The Whitlam Labor Government of Australia was “dismissed” by the people in a landslide defeat at an election called after dissolution of Federal Parliament because the Whitlam Government lacked sufficient numbers to govern, they could not get a money supply bill passed resulting in constitutional crisis.

The GG was forced to step in and require dissolution of Parliament in accordance with the Constitution because PM Whitlam and the Government he led would not do the right thing as constitutional law provided for.

PM Whitlam even refused the GG’s request resulting in the GG turning to the Opposition to take over in a caretaker role and call that election.

The constitutional crisis developed after it became public knowledge (release of The Age newspaper tape recordings of secret hotel room negotiations by the Whitlam Government attempting to illegally borrow billions of dollars from a foreign source (money lenders) bypassing the required by law Loans Council for approval to borrow offshore.

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Dennis
December 10, 2021 9:39 pm

Australian Labor Party Constitution includes …

Objectives

  1. 4 The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields.

Of course the CCP would favour a left leaning with far left leaning factions, consider the Labor State Government of Victoria that signed China’s Belt & Road Agreement, since the Australian Commonwealth/Federal Government has legislated to cancel that Agreement and prohibit State Governments from signing agreements with foreign nations without Federal Government approval.

The Labor Government of Western Australia often criticises the Commonwealth Government for foreign affairs matters involving China, noting that foreign affairs and trade are not State Government areas of responsibility.

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bonbon
Reply to  Dennis
December 11, 2021 2:27 am

It is all about the BRI, clearly.

Dennis
December 10, 2021 9:46 pm

26 November 2021

“”The Defence Minister Peter Dutton has declared that China sees other countries in the region as “tributary states” and is warning that Beijing would quickly dominate Asia if it succeeds in invading Taiwan.” 

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