By P Gosselin on 28. November 2021
At FaceBook, Dane Peter Bardland presents a chart and commentary on Germany’s upcoming rapid nuclear power phaseout.
By the end of 2022, the government will have shut down another 6 plants with a total (baseload) capacity of 8.54 gigawatts!
Chart: Presented by Peter Bardland
Yesterday we commented here that Germany will in fact be shutting down all the baseload power sources, which ironically kept the country from blacking out in 2021 because wind and solar power failed to deliver as expected.
“Disaster playing out”…”pretty crazy”
Bardland writes:
In just over a month, Germany will close 3 of its newest and best nuclear power plants and more than 4050 MW of electricity will disappear from northern Europe’s power grid. 4050 MW is equivalent to the average electricity consumption of all of Denmark.
It will put supply security further under pressure and them choosing to do so in the middle of winter is pretty crazy.
Not only will the 4050 MW of shut off nuclear power lead to more CO2 emissions, but it will cause much more pollution from the burning of biomass and fossil fuels. Next winter, Germany will close the last 3 nuclear power plants, also 4000 MW.
Anyone who has followed the energy and climate political debate, even superficially, over the last 10-20 years can see that Germany, Denmark and other ‘green crazy countries’ are doing it vigorously AGAINST what logic and science dictates.
We see a slow disaster playing out with The Greens in the lead role as the crazy villain, hell-bent in their eagerness to wipe out life and prosperity.
(PS. Buy warm clothes, food, water and candles, for the coming winter).”
On top of the baseload power shutdown madness, German Health Minister Jens Spahn said he favored a one-year complete lockdown of unvaxxed Germans. There’s definitely something in someone’s water.
I like it when bad Progressive policy is tested far away from where I live.
A crash-test dummy is always a good idea before we try it ourselves. It looks like German “leadership” has elected themselves to be the crash-test dummy.
So be it.
Of course, the leadership of Germany is not the only bunch divorced from reality. The State of New York shut down a perfectly good reactor and the State of California is getting ready to do the same in the near future.
Michael Mann and his Hockey Stick Team must be so proud of themselves. Look at how they have fooled these people into doing some very irrational things because they think CO2 is dangerous.
The Fool Mann leading other fools down the Road to Ruin. History will not treat these fools kindly.
My repeat post whenever I see this. The sooner we have a major grid collapse affecting millions of people where the blame can only be pinned to the fact of over-reliance on unreliable energy sources, the better. I don’t wish the kind of misery that such a collapse would cause on those who attempt to fight against it, but I have no problem with it affecting the griff’s of the world.
I’ve been seeing ‘grid collapse’ predictions for a decade – and yet there are none, except those caused by severe weather.
1) There have been plenty of grid collapse episodes caused by the failures of renewable power.]
2) In those areas where a collapse has not yet occurred, the margins of safety have been shrinking dramatically over the last few years.
3) In griff’s world, anything that hasn’t happened yet, won’t. Unless it’s a prediction from a climate model.
There absolutely have not.
I notice you don’t name any!
For one, there was the collapse of the Texas grid, wind and solar dropped over 90%. Gas power increased by 450%, but it wasn’t enough to cover both the increased demand and the failure of wind and solar to provide power when it was needed.
If it hadn’t been for stupid rules put in place by the EPA in order to cut CO2 emissions, gas might have been able to increase by 500% and that might have been enough.
You are a bl.@ur momisugly@)&#@ur momisugly LIAR Griff.
Stick Friday 9 August 2019 into your ass a feel the pain.
That was just ONE incident, there are plenty more.
That’s because there is still gas turbine/coal power backup available. Those backups have been used extensively recently. In the coming years that backup will disappear.
We have been warned of climate change disasters like arctic free of ice, polar bears exctinct etc from you for as long as you have been posting.
You are not going that well yourself. You know the saying those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
You know the saying those in greenhouses shouldn’t throw stones.
There, fixed it for ya.
” I’ve been seeing grid collapse predictions for a decade – and yet there are none , except those caused by severe weather ” …… Don’t you tire of the deception and misinformation ? I have noticed that when your arguments [and lies ] are debunked you dart off to pester another part of the thread or stay mute and refuse to debate There was a nine hour blackout affecting the central Australian town of Alice Springs in October 2019 caused by a cloud drifting over Uterne solar station. According to a damning report ” The output of Uterne ….was relatively constant at around 3.3 MW until 1.43 PM [ when ] a cloud passed over….and station output became highly variable with reduction in output to as low as 0.5 MW ” [ ‘ Shine Comes Off Solar From Alice Springs Failure , C McLennan , Katherine Times , Dec. 2019 ] Passing clouds could hardly be classed as ‘extreme weather’ . Your argument is nonetheless a sneaky red herring as nuclear, coal and gas are provably more capable of withstanding weather extremes than intermittent and weather dependent wind and solar .This was the experience of the Californian 2020 summer blackouts and the Texas winter storm event . In the course of the four day Texas energy failure from February 15 to 18 , the average performance capacity ratings for nuclear power , natural gas and wind turbines respectively were 79% , 47% and 14% . For each energy source , the lowest hourly performance over the four day blackouts were 73% [nuclear ] , 40 % [gas ] and a measly 2% [ wind turbines ] The 2020 Californian summer electricity shortages and blackouts were the result of low winds amid stifling heat in a state that has made its electricity grids over -reliant on wind turbines and photovoltaic power .Solar power plants ceased generating in the evening during the heatwaves at times of high consumer demand forcing grid operators to induce rolling blackouts ………As I have speculated before : imagine if there was another natural disaster such as the 536-37 dust veil / dry fog event when there was twilight for the best part of a year or the 1783 Laki haze that cast a pall over Europe for months .We know from historical sources and paleo-ecological evidence that in the year 1315 at the onset of the Great Famine , rainfall and cloud cover were virtually constant from May to August [ autumn and summer ] over western Europe …Photovoltaic power would be rendered totally useless in those conditions and wind turbines hopelessly inefficient .History tells us their recurrence is inevitable Germany, with the country’s 37 -40% renewable energy component infrastructure , Denmark and the United Kingdom would be especially vulnerable in those conditions. 14 % – 2% of capacity under extreme weather duress isn’t going to cut it compared to nuclear coal and natural gas ..What happened in Texas last winter when the wind turbines were frozen and immobilized has shown how woefully unreliable renewables are .
Well, it’s kinda happening in China right now, if you’re pay attention, but is unspeakable and must be played-down as the Second-Coming of Mao single-handedly saving the world, via draconian emissions reductions.
They can not admit they just ran out of coal due to the colossal foreign policy failures of the clowns in Beijing. And who now also can’t afford to pay 3 to 5 times the normal price or coal to import it, due to the lack of alternate volume supply.
The result will be horrendous for China for many months. But this will not be news elsewhere, because CCP double-think requires it not be news in China.
But a catastrophe it is.
Not noticed yet that Russia will supply coal, and the big looser is Australia’s disastrous AUKUS gimmick and Wuhan pantomine?
We see a slow disaster playing out… article
Boy, that is the understatement of the century!
Why are they so insistent on devolving back to the Dark Ages? This is insanity, nothing else. I’m just waiting breathlessly for the current Occupant of the Oval Office to order a shut down of our nuke power plants over here. And he’s too far down the road of dementia to come up with that idea on his own, so you just know it will whoever is really running things in the Oval Office.
Glad I have great-grandma’s oil lamps and a gas stove that I can use matches to light the burners… and a cast iron Dutch oven for such cookery… and reprints of 18th century cookbooks…
Civilization was fun while it lasted.
The problem is that those in charge of this mad house won’t be the ones devolving back to the Dark Ages.
Oh, now, MarkW, remember that hubris is a form of pride and to quote that old snarky quote, “pride goeth before a fall”.
I’ve seldom seen such a scramble to try to scare people as is going on now. If it ain’t climate (uncontrollable) then it’s covid (also uncontrollable).
I’m just waiting for someone to show up at an ER with those black pox called yersenia pestis. EEEEKKK!
Hey Sara, be an optimist.
The civilization will continue,( but will be available to the chosen few only)
I know how it works, I lived in communistic Czechoslovakia first 30years of my life…😎
And Janus, you do have my sympathy because we school kids knew about the Iron Curtain and about a lot of stuff that went on there, and realized how lucky we were to not be born there.
Now? Well, civilization will continue, but those “elites” won’t get the real part of it that the rest of us will get. It’s easy enough these days to shut off supplies of stuff to cities, shut the gates and lock the nitwits inside those walls, while the rest of us just get on with our lives.
For centuries, before there was such a thing as Germany, things went fine in Europe. The reign of Merkel was a net negative. Maybe the slow fading of Germany from the world stage, due to energy/economic stupidity, isn’t a problem.
Err – 30 Years War? As I understand it, a devastating conflict basically due to religious/ideological conflict, allied to Empirical ambitions. Far as I can see, the only difference in later years was the consolidation of many nation sates into the German Empire. Much as is happening now, with the touted European Federation.
Im fond of quoting David Byrne – “Same as it ever was”
Good riddance! What can go wrong, will go wrong. Nuclear is pure poison.
Now, let’s focus on returning CO2 to the atmosphere where it used to be, for a warmer and life friendlier planet.
Nuclear is by far the cleanest and safest form of power.
No matter what your view on it, the resulting exclusion zone in Japan is real, in a country that’s very land limited. It is a massive on-going loss of productivity and use for them, longer-term.
I am all for small safe modern nuclear reactors, but there are big costs and real risks.
IMO, it’s much safer and wiser to use cheap clean-coal tech, and just accept that CO2 is a minimal issue, in comparison, and it delivers the best costs v benefits, with the lowest risks also.
The exclusion zone is many times bigger than it ever needed to be and it goes away in a few decades.
And they all conveniently forgot the devastating Richter 9 earthquake that killed 1000s before the Tsunami overwhelmed all flood defences.
A lot more people died from the earthquake, but to read mass media, it appeared the Nuclear disaster killed many more than the quake.
More media lies of course.
The exclusion zone is real because it has been declared by the government. Pull it down today and productivity can pick up tomorrow. There is nothing wrong with the area, never was. Radiation rates detrimental to human or animal health are magnitudes higher than those found at Fukushima or Chernobyl years after the accidents. People live happily in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and have done so since the early 1950s. Nothing mankind can do permanently or even long-lastingly changes Nature. Only Fascist hybris tries to make us believe we (as a species) are almighty to do immense harm by accident, even without trying, but at the same time quite unable to undo even minor ills unless under totalitarian force – a grotesque self-contradiction to begin with!
A little off topic but , does anyone know if Germans have the right to bear arms?
Not like in the USA.
Which is why mass shootings (as in the UK) are almost unheard of
We have had a few mass stabbings, however.
The knife crime rate in the USA is worse than UK rate.
So the problem isn’t guns.
False
And the home invasion rate is many times higher in the UK, as the perps have no fear of armed inhabitants.
Only a complete socialist would believe that the answer to guns in the hands of bad men, is disarming good men.
I will remind you I am not a socialist, nor does my country have a socialist govt…
I don’t see any need to arm my fellow citizens, good men and women as they are.
638 mass shootings to end October in USA. One in last decade in UK.
The man who demands socialist solutions to every problem, doesn’t consider himself a socialist.
Last time I checked, there were a lot of differences between the US and Britain, access to guns was only one, and one of the least important.
Why am I not surprised to find out that a socialist likes his citizenry safely disarmed.
Of course, what you call “mass shootings” are in fact drug gangs shooting each other. Especially in Chicago, which has some of the most strict “gun control” (sic) laws in the country.
UK: “Here are some examples of mass killings in England… David Copeland killed three people with a series of nail bombs in 1999, and injured 139. More recently, in 2005, four suicide bombers in the UK’s subway system killed more than fifty people, and injured many hundreds more. Still more recently, on March 22, 2017, three people were killed and 29 were hospitalized, after a jihadist drove a truck into a crowd on Westminster Bridge. Two months later, on May 23, 2017, twenty two people were killed, and fifty nine injured, by a bombing at a Manchester concert. Less than two weeks later, on June 3, 2017, jihadists drove down a bunch of people on London Bridge, and knifed a bunch of people at Borough Market, in London. Another van was driven into a crowd, killing one person and wounding 10, on June 19, 2017, at Finsbury Park. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. Not only do the rates of mass murder (and attempted mass murder) in England more than rival the United States, but in England, the rates are climbing fast, prompting many English leaders to call this ‘the new normal’ for the English people. Can you imagine living in a city where mass killings are so common that the Mayor of that city, rather than denounce the killings, tells the public to get used to it? That’s London.”
Yeah, but at least they’re not GUNS, Robert – that’s the important part! Because people being k!lled by guns is much worser.
A reporter in San Francisco recently wrote that people are just going to have to get used to home invasions as it has become the new normal.
Europe goes to war somewhere every thirty years or so killing tens of thousands of its citizens. The big ones were WWI and WWII. The Soviet incursions after WWII in the Baltic states, former East Germany, Poland, Hungry, the former Czechoslovakia etc., etc., killed lots of people. Recently there was the Balkan crisis where hundreds of thousands were killed. Gun laws make very little difference especially when the ruling elite have all the guns. Add to this the terrorist groups such as the most prominent being the Red Brigade, Badder Meinhoff, IRA, and associated separatist groups. Switzerland has comparable gun laws to the USA and has very few firearm related incidents. Ukraine and Belarus are presently getting very hot. Low information cherry picking firearms/weapons statistics makes comparisons with the USA look silly!
Where are YOUR STATISTICS on that number, griffy?
Please cite your source for U.S. mass shootings, Griff. If it isn’t from John Lott, its propaganda.
And you conveniently forgot Hungerford, Bloody sunday, Hillsborough, and lots of other f..cked up establishment figures and lunatics+Teflon Tony + sending squaddies to die in Iraq and Helmland?
state sponsored violence = war against their own people.
The 1st world war was the British establishment forced labour equivalent of invitation to mechanised suicide in muddy trenches…(my grandad came back from there half crazy).
How many brain cells do you actually have before you hit the “enter” key?
France doesn’t seem to be having problems though, France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy, due to a long-standing policy based on energy security. They make so much electricity they export it and bring a tidy 3 Billion a year in sales. They planned ahead 40 years ago. Go France ! By the way Sen. Ben Cardin is a Millionaire so he will have no trouble maintaining HIS comfy life style. The little people…Meh…. Possibly our power will be generated by burning the massive piles of dead bodies that all commie states have created in their quest for some mythical future utopia.
Affordable energy = Freedom
France has been having problems, because so much of its nuclear capacity is out for maintenance. The result is it has been importing large amounts from Germany, Spain, Belgium Switzerland and even the UK
you fear mongers are always wrong
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/27/germany-totally-kills-coal-will-likely-end-up-in-the-dark-without-heat-and-light/
2. time the same post., but not better.
I find it fascinating how alarmists like griff and Mosh are quite content to wait 100 years or more before their predictions come true.
However if anyone else’s predictions don’t come true by the following morning, they are obviously false.
I’m not the alarmist – you are: predicting Germany’s lights will go off.
and I remember the whole German grid was supposed to have collapsed in the early part of this year… and exactly what happened?
As always, what griff remembers and what was actually said, are rarely, if ever the same.
The statements from earlier this year were that the planned actions were going to make the grid more unstable. Also the complete shutting down of coal plants did not happen, and it was those not yet shut down coal plants that saved the grid this year.
Also, despite growing demands from Germany, France and Poland are still able to provide sufficient power to keep the German grid up. That won’t be the case for too much longer.
Germany actually has a net EXPORT balance of electricity…
What matters is when they export and import power. Relying on net power is what idiots and socialists do.
When Germany has excess power, so does everyone else and Germany has to pay others to take it.
When Germany needs to import power happens at the same time that others are having their supplies tighten as well. The amount of excess that others have is shrinking and the amount that Germany needs is growing.
What is going to happen over the next year as Germany shuts down the rest of it’s nuclear and coal power?
Just like England, it was the coal power that prevented the grids from collapsing this year.
And that shows … what? An excess of artificially (subsidized and mandated takes) marginal low-cost unreliables in Germany? Including the cost of required FF backup, unreliables would not look so good price-wise.
It exports lignite coal generated electricity 🙂
You could also start by searching LÜTZERATH.
griffy, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that Germany’s lights (and heat) DID go out two winters in a row, not so very long ago. It did happen, in fact, more than once in one winter, and also in more than ONE winter.
as told to CliSciFi
Listen to Marc Carney interviewed at COP26 by Bloomberg, and tell us who is an alarmist.
This is the most powerful banker today, ignore at you peril!
Carney is the most wanking (former) banker.
Bankers are fair weather friends.
I don’t give a f…k about some foreign idiot like Carney, but I do care about the fact he gets way too much as a pension when he finally stops lecturing people about crap.
I thought Germany’s goal was to reduce CO2 and save the planet? It’ll take years and years to replace those plants with renewables, if they ever do.
It seems as if Germany is turning itself into the Sick man of Europe again, which hasn’t happened since 1920s-era Weimar Germany. What could possibly go wrong?
In recent decades, much of Germany’s heavy industry has been sent to India and China.
If things do go badly, the modern storm troopers will have to rely on well thrown rocks.
Unlike the US, Germany has hung on to much of its industry
So far! Industrial bean counters are notorious. They do see what happened to the US. Trump killed NAFTA first thing, and that scared the EU.
Once again, when reality doesn’t match what griff wants to believe, he just makes it up.
Could that have something to do with residential and commercial customers subsidizing industrial customers? How about direct governmental subsidies?
Griff a total twat.
German industry is leaving in droves, which is why car makers are happy to make German cars in any other place than Germany. (even in CHINA).
Griff knows nothing about Germany, but continues wanking on about Germany as if he had actually been there, and knew about economics.
Will we learn anything, or are we too compliance???
Without a safety net to replace all the electricity generated from nuclear, efforts to cease nuclear could be the greatest threat to civilization.
Complete madness of course, not least because if you are really worried about CO2, nuclear is about the lowest emitting form of generation. Once you have the plants built.
And in addition, this completely mad attempt to run a modern economy on wind and solar.
It is really complete madness. I used to think the Greens wanted to go back to about 1875, but its looking more and more as if 1600 is the date they have in mind.
Meanwhile with the new EU spot-pricing and US sanctions on NordStream 2, Gazprom reports record profits.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-swings-q3-net-profit-year-ago-loss-2021-11-29/
Keep it up USA and Brussels!
Hapless voters and the new Government (with Greens, FDP being the parties of the highest wage-earners) face now the irony of Destiny. Explain it please?
Oh my, are they going to pine for the easy days in opposition pushing for exactly this splintering system on a daily basis!
Sow the wind, now reap the whirlwind!
Cold not happen to a more colorful team!
More Trouble For EU? Gazprom “Doesn’t Expect Decline In Gas Prices In Coming Months”
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/gazprom-doesnt-expect-noticeable-decline-gas-prices-coming-months
Just look at the graphics!
Only a paranoid nutcase could come out with your complete cobblers quoting zerohedge.
Its gonna be hilarious to watch them freeze to death for their stupid ideas.
It will be interesting to see the reaction of the German people as they begin to realize the impact of these policies on their own lives. I guess we can sit back and watch the fur fly.. secure in the knowledge that it’s not our fur.
Too bad Germany wasn’t this stupid back in the early 1940’s — would have saved the rest of us a lot of trouble.
Hold it cheap, they that ne’er hung there…
It is exactly what they did. !!!
In 1938, Germany was the more advanced country on the way to the atomic bomb. The project was directed by Heisenberg. In 1942, his laboratory was destroyed by an accidental blast. Hitler decided to cut all the fundings and to stop the project for a very good reason : quantic mechanics was not aryan science but jewish science. So the project has no chance to succeed.
Ever heard of the Manhattan Program? No economy except the US had the slightest chance of developing such technology. It is a fairytale to think Germany had even a functioning economy by 1941.
It is the economy, stupid, as very few US politico’s say today.
The Greens need to own what comes next.
They got it now, an appointment with destiny in the new Government.
Note the graphic:
This data comes from this web site:
https://transparency.entsoe.eu/
Germany has 41 MW of solar power installed and has 30,000 Wind turbines.
It imports most of its natural gas.
Since nuclear is base load, no amount of solar or wind can replace it.
They will have to burn a lot more coal or hope Russia let’s them buy a lot more natural gas.
Or, they will have to import a lot of electricity.
In any event, their emission of CO2 is bound to rise. So much for the climate crisis.
UFB! Like watching a train wreck in slow motion!
This just shows that technical knowledge and common sense cannot overcome Merkel’s brand of political nonsense! And most of the world thinks Germans are logical and efficient! Fools!
If there are blackouts this winter, maybe Germany will defer the shutdown of its nuclear power plants.
The Energiewende reaches the outskirts of Stalingrad.
And when the Wehrmacht phoned desperately for winter clothes, Goering airlifted in christmass trees!
The new coalition will legalize cannabis….
I’m following the history of the Stalingrad campaign on TIK’s YouTube channel.
The nearly-new nuclear reactors that Germany are decommissioning should be offered for sale to more sensible, less superstitious countries. Could be a very good deal for someone.
Just watch – someone will try that at 1/10th their cost, basically theft of national assets.
Last time that was tried, Khodorkovsky tried to sell Yukos to a US oil firm. Things did not work out too well for him : Russia used exactly the tactic that nabbed Al Capone – taxes. And the irony is the FBI trained the FSB !
Al Capone wannabee’s , lookout!
Your crap about Yukos stinks.
Putin had it in for Yukos and got that b..stard Seichin in on the act.
Russia did nothing about taxes, if that had been the case, pensioners wouldn’t have to work until they drop (raised retirement age) and 20 millions Russians today wouldn’t be below the level of poverty, and the hospital and medical system wouldn’t be on its knees.
why don’t you try living in Russia, being as you never went there, and write crap about a country you know sweet F-A about!
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Meanwhile just north in Finland electricity prices rocketed 5 times higher.
But Finland has a reactor coming online : Olkiluoto 3, next summer.
Maybe.
After all they have been building it since 2005… another EDF screw up.
As David Middleton said in his article today “This should “stick a fork” in the notion of an Anthropocene Epoch…”
The shutting down of the NPPs in Germany will be marked as the beginning of the end of the Anthropocene Epoc. As blackouts and flex hours roil California, California is shutting down two more adding to the rolling blackouts and days long outages. This combined with the mandates for EVs will double or triple the electrical demand hastening the collapse of civilization.