PhD “Data/Climate Scientist” Can’t Provide Data on Extreme Weather Events

From MasterResource

By Robert Bradley Jr. — May 1, 2024

“Back to Lindsey Gulden, the self-described Data/Climate Scientist. She would/could not provide a time series example to back up any part of her claim of ‘global climate to go off the rails’ … ‘more extreme events’. I asked her repeatedly for data, and she could only sign-off with ‘I made no such claim‘.”

On LinkedIn, Saul Humphrey stated: 2023 was the hottest year on record and 2024 is threatening to be hotter still.  Humphrey then quotes from an article in The Independent, “Do the People Care About the Climate Crisis? These Voters Say Yes – but Polls Do Not” (April 19, 2024):

In the US,  wildfires destroyed more than 1.7 million acres in the first three months of 2024, already half of last year’s total, and forecasters expect an unprecedented number of Atlantic hurricanes.

Around 87 per cent of Americans say they have experienced at least one extreme weather event in the past five years — whether that’s drought, extreme heat, severe storms, wildfires or flooding. Three-quarters of adults believe the science that climate crisis is at least partly to blame, and the same percentage want the federal government to do something about it.

But when it comes to this year’s presidential election, the issue trails inflation, healthcare, immigration and jobs in the list of voter priorities.”

Humphrey concludes: “What does it take make the climate crisis the priority? Do we need to witness Armageddon before we do what is necessary?”

Note the irony of a person telling the rest of us: You are wrong and I am right on climate alarmism. And the audacity to use government coercion and taxpayer financing to impose the solution on the unschooled masses.

commented on LinkedIn: “False causality. That is the real problem. Exaggeration backfires.”

Some 70 replies followed from a variety of folks, including some plenty smart-and-informed “skeptics” of climate alarm/forced energy transformation. But one comment stood out. Lindsey Gulden, self-described Data Scientist/Climate Scientist, stated:

Saul Humphrey: you should perhaps take it as a badge of honor that your posts seem to attract frequent input from Atlas Network folks who are paid to promote climate disinformation.

answered: “False causality. Beliefs and the intellectual/moral high ground explain my passion and those that I know in the movement. Many of us take less pay to be able to challenge the false narrative of the Climate Industrial Complex. Consumers matter. Taxpayers matter. Fiscal sanity in the public sector matters. Freedom among consenting adults matter….”

Gulden: “Coming from a long line of fiscal conservatives, I agree with all of these statements: “Consumers matter. Taxpayers matter. Fiscal sanity in the public sector matters. Freedom among consenting adults matter.” What is bizarre to me is that we seem to be using the exact same values to make diametrically opposite points. It is fiscally irresponsible for any government to continue to use taxpayer dollars to give substantial corporate welfare to an industry that is causing the global climate to go off the rails and, with it, the stability of global markets, political systems, food supplies, etc. It is all in the service of a small group of people whose bank accounts benefit massively from the status quo. I don’t question your sincerity of belief. But I’d suggest those of you taking lower pay ought to demand the same pay as the executives of the industry you are propping up.”

Bradley: “I disagree with your alarmism in the last part of your sentence: ‘that is causing the global climate to go off the rails and, with it, the stability of global markets, political systems, food supplies, etc.’ Is this statement justified by time series data or climate model projections? The whole point of market wealth is resiliency to extreme weather from any cause–and that is where the advantages of dense, reliable, affordable mass energies come into play.”

Gulden: “The most problematic component of climate change isn’t that the mean temperature goes up. It’s that there is much more variability and much less predictability. More extreme events (extreme freezes, extreme precipitation, extreme heat). Uncertainty is bad for markets. So if you care about healthy free markets, dismissing climate change out of hand is risky.”

Bradley: “Show me the time series data on that. A reduction in the diurnal cycle does not suggest dire results. Hurricanes are less in theory and data, right? Are you saying that nature is optimal and/or cooling would reduce extremes? In any case, any extremes need affordable, reliable, plentiful energies–not wind and solar and batteries. And politicians and government failure.”

Gulden: “data on increasing extreme events are plentiful and from reputable sources. Hurricane frequency and intensity are increasing. For information from a reliable source, see, for example, https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/extreme-weather/.

Your assertion that ‘it’s just a decrease in the diurnal cycle’ doesn’t really hold water as an argument for lack of harm, even with just a bit of consideration. Being able to cool down at night is essential for people trying to survive heat waves without A/C. Regarding ‘government failure and politicians’: Politicians can at least be voted out of office. Although I’d *like* to vote oil and gas industry executives’ self-interested manipulations of civil society out of our daily life, I can’t.

Renewables are more affordable than oil and gas. Battery storage makes them more reliable. All of the above leads me to the conclusion that Atlas Network should provide member groups with more accurate talking points…although I must admit I do not think ‘accuracy’ is their goal.”

Bradley: “The NASA link is not responsive. I asked for time series data over the decades of extreme weather events, not what is supposed to happen under (incomplete) theory or what is predicted to happen from speculative climate models. Take the frequency of hurricanes over the last century or so. What does it show (asking you as a climate scientist).”

Gulden: “and no, that isn’t my area of expertise—which is why I pointed you to reputable sources on the subject.”

As this point,

Mark Rohrbacher commented: “… both Lomborg and Alex Epstein (and various weather sites) have researched ‘increased weather extremes and found them to be unsupported by data. I live in a hurricane area and our area has had a historically low amount of serious hurricanes in the last 30 years.”

Gulden: “Alex Epstein, formerly of the Cato Institute, founder of the Center for Industrial Progress, who does not like to discuss his funding sources, right? Who has no training in research?”

Bradley: “You lost some credibility by going ad hominem on Alex Epstein, who is merely providing the official statistics on weather extremes from others, as is Lomborg. I follow Alex Epstein and know him personally. He has never worked for Cato. Please show us the graph and link on hurricanes, quantitatively, number and intensity, for the last century. This is your area as a climate scientist, right?”

Gulden: “my bad…it seem I err in his former employer. Perhaps it is another libertarian think tank. Regardless, I see no way that mentioning his employers, his relevant credentials or lack thereof, and his refusal to disclose funding sources—completely relevant when your topic of writing is climate change and fossil fuels—are ‘ad hominem’ attacks. But if you wish to frame it in that way, I cannot stop you.”

Bradley: “A person without a high school degree can be right and a PhD expert wrong. (‘Expert Failure’ is a fascinating subject covered in a book of this title by Roger Koppl, by the way.) Can you simply provide the time series data on hurricanes or other extreme events to support your general claim of increasing extreme events? Just stick to the arguments and data please.”

Gulden: “I made no such claim. You may judge me as you wish. I’m going to adjourn from this discussion. Good luck.”

—————–

The entire thread should be read to see a variety of take-downs of the alarmist narrative. Kudos to Mark Rohrbacker, Matt Essex, Chris Matchette-Downes, Ian McCoy, Joseph Toomey, Richard Re, Les McMenzie, Lewis Ludwig, John Basilio, Richard Ericson, and many others. Their level of critical engagement of the alarmist narrative is impressive, indicating how the smart, critical middle is not buying what the Malthusian consensus is selling.

Back to Lindsey Gulden, the self-described Data Scientist/Climate Scientist. She would/could not provide a time series example to back up any part of her claim of ‘global climate to go off the rails’ … ‘more extreme events’. I asked her repeatedly for data, and she could only sign-off with ‘I made no such claim‘.” What an embarrassment to herself and her profession.

Appendix
Gulden’s lack of understanding about energy and economics basics is obvious from statements such as: “Renewables are more affordable than oil and gas” and “rooftop solar panels make good economic sense“.

Many other of her statements in the long thread are easily refutable, but I will stick to climate science. Note her silence on the benefits of CO2; the upside of moderate warming with a reduction of the diurnal cycle, the saturation effect of GHG forcing, all arguments against climate alarmism from a physical-science viewpoint.

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May 2, 2024 2:29 am

Gulden: “data on increasing extreme events are plentiful and from reputable sources. Hurricane frequency and intensity are increasing. For information from a reliable source, see, for example, https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/extreme-weather/.

If you followed the link, you find this explanation:

                  How do scientists determine if changes in extreme
                 weather events are linked to climate change?

Scientists use a combination of climate models (simulations) and land, air, sea, and space-based observations to research how extreme weather events change over time. First, scientists examine historical records to determine the frequency and intensity of past events. Many of these long-term records date back to the 1950s, though some start in the 1800s. Then scientists use climate models to see if the number or strength of these events is changing, or will change, due to increasing greenhouse gases when compared to what has happened historically.
______________________________________________________

Models models but no data.

strativarius
Reply to  Steve Case
May 2, 2024 2:55 am

Friederike Otto’s bunch at the Grantham Institute – nestled deep in the bosom of Imperial College – has this:

“Whenever extreme weather events, such as floods, heatwaves, droughts or storms, occur, the media and decision-makers ask to what extent it is influenced by climate change. Attribution science can answer this question. Rapid attribution studies provide timely scientific evidence on the role of climate change in the aftermath of the event. “
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/research/climate-science/extreme-weather-climate/

“Fredi is a physicist with a doctorate from the Free University Berlin in philosophy of science in 2011

Fredi is the co-lead of World Weather Attribution (WWA), an international effort to analyse and communicate the possible influence of climate change on extreme weather events. Through rapid attribution studies, which provide timely scientific evidence showing the extent to which climate change influenced a given event, WWA has helped to change the global conversation around climate change, influencing adaptation strategies and paving the way for new sustainability litigation.”
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/f.otto

Got that? Litigation.

strativarius
Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 2:57 am

And it isn’t evidence of anything, as you say: models….

Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 4:22 am

“Whenever extreme weather events, such as floods, heatwaves, droughts or storms, occur, the media and decision-makers ask to what extent it is influenced by climate change. Attribution science can answer this question

I looked up “attribution science”. It’s no better than astrology. It can’t answer anything.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 5:26 am

It isn’t intended to answer anything. It is designed to give a superficial “sciencey” veneer to a lie.

Reply to  Graemethecat
May 2, 2024 5:43 am

Soon, Hah-vid will offer a PhD program for the fancy new Attribution Science. And then those new “doctors” will solve all the world’s problems.

gezza1298
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 1:11 pm

Will that be a course for Hamas lovers only?

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Graemethecat
May 2, 2024 5:52 am

it is Opience … Opinion wrapped in the veneer of science …

Writing Observer
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 9:11 am

Technically, ALL science is “attribution science.” Attributing an effect to a cause.

But… To even begin an attempt to attribute an effect to a cause, you must FIRST have a CORRELATION between the two. Then, and only then, can you hypothesize that the effect could be due to a particular cause. (Note, this correlation must be in the real world – not in a computer.)

This is exactly where the “extreme weatherists” fail – they cannot show any such correlation, because no such correlation exists.

Reply to  Writing Observer
May 2, 2024 7:16 pm

No such correlation exists because they have the sequence of events reversed.

Weather causes climate by definition, over a time period of 30 years. NOAA, NASA and WMO all agree with this definition.

Climate change cannot cause weather events, it’s not defined that way. It’s THE prime example of circular reasoning.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 9:56 am

In the last 30 years or so everyone that has died first experienced being born.
Therefore, birth can be attributed to causing death.
100% correlation!
(I’d go back further than 30 years but that’s about the time I bought my first computer.
I can’t think without my computer.)

gezza1298
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 1:13 pm

On GB News today the excellent Liam Halligan said that economic forecasting was invented make astrology look good so where does leave climate science?

oeman50
Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 4:49 am

“Attribution studies” are excellent examples of assuming the answers before the questions are asked.

Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 5:02 am

“Attribution science can answer this question”

No, it cannot. Attribution science is just another name for “guessing”.

Attribution science is a desperate effort to connect CO2 to weather events on Earth. There is no evidence of a connection between CO2 and extreme weather, no matter how many times attribution “scientists” claim to see one. This is their opinion, not based on any facts.

Attribution Science is just another climate change propaganda angle.

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2024 5:18 am

The warming of the Earth over the last 50 years is directly attributable to cleaning up the air, just as the temperature decline from the 1940s through the 1970s can be directly attributed to increased air pollution.

There is a direct link of the two. CO2? Not so much.

Reply to  iflyjetzzz
May 2, 2024 5:48 am

And that warming is trivial. I finally saw a day over 70F, only the 2nd one since last October- here in Wokeachusetts. Most people here are praying it’ll warm up. The weather persons on TV are now saying we have some warm days coming up maybe even into the mid ’70s! – they aren’t trying to ruin those days by whining about the “climate emergency”. Smart of them. Meanwhile, our governor and her entire bureaucracy (mostly women and LGBT) do continue to whine about it.

Reply to  iflyjetzzz
May 2, 2024 8:08 am

ifyjetzzz:

You are correct, as far as you go.

However, the implications of the actual cause of our warming are such that we are now in an era of essentially constantly increasing temperatures, which will result in many climate-related disasters.

See “Scientific proof that CO2 does NOT cause global warming”

https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2024.21.3.0884

Writing Observer
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
May 2, 2024 9:14 am

There is a correlation (a short term one) between air pollution and temperature – but that is NOT an attribution! Only a possible connection, not a proven one.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2024 5:45 am

there’s zero science in attribution science- I wonder what idiots came up with this new astrology?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 10:23 am

The same that came up with “Climate Science/Scientist.”

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2024 5:54 am

its Opience … Opinion wrapped in the veneer of science … but yes guessing …

Mason
Reply to  The Dark Lord
May 2, 2024 9:36 am

Sort of like Opium

Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 5:25 am

There it is in black and white: Climate “Science” is an inversion of the conventional Scientific Method. Instead of testing the central hypothesis of AGW, the likes of Fredrike Otto merely cherry-pick and distort evidence to fit it.

gyan1
Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 8:03 am

Attribution of individual weather anomalies to an infinitesimal trace gas is pseudoscientific theater of the absurd. False assumptions, false attributions and false narratives dominate the phoniest science since at least Lysenkoism.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  gyan1
May 2, 2024 10:24 am

Especially when the models used are incomplete and inadequate.
How can a grid resolution of 25 km reflect molecular dynamics?

Denis
Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 1:07 pm

If his academic credential is only a doctorate in Philosophy of Science, he most assuredly is not a physicist. He could be called a philosopher, but not a Physicist.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Denis
May 3, 2024 9:52 am

Fredi, as she is known to her friends, is a she and she has some strange ideas

“What were concerns over the impact on (sic) climate change are understood realities, it is costing thousands, perhaps millions of deaths globally every single year”

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/oxford-people/fredi-otto

Reply to  Steve Case
May 2, 2024 4:18 am

correlation is not causation

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 4:21 am

Models aren’t reality

Reply to  Steve Case
May 2, 2024 4:31 am

It’s shocking to realize people with science education do seem to believe that. Of course much of that science education is social sciences which barely qualify as science.

Mr.
Reply to  Steve Case
May 2, 2024 6:13 am

Neither is a global average temperature.

Phil R
Reply to  Steve Case
May 2, 2024 6:57 am

I think most here are old enough to remember “Dilbert” or at least when it was funny. I wish I could copy and paste an old Dilbert cartoon, but there was one where he was sent to work in the accounting department by his pointy-haired boss. The accounting department was a cave with nasty trolls (kinda like climate scientists) with a wizard for a boss. The wizard guy told Dilbert that most people believe numbers reflect reality, but in accounting numbers create reality. Dilbert found the budget for the accounting department and erased it and the accounting department disappeared.

(ok, I know that was a little long and boring, but that’s what I think is a good description of climate modelers, they believe their models create reality).

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 5:55 am

its not even coorelated …

Writing Observer
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 9:17 am

There isn’t even a correlation here. Well, maybe a small NEGATIVE correlation between “global temperature” and cyclone energy – but there is insufficient data to say that there is a cause/effect relation here as anything more than a very tentative hypothesis.

Mason
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 9:40 am

My ex-wife was preparing her dissertation. She had a straightline graph of her results. Her advisor told her to put it on semilog graph paper so that it would look better. Social science is not science.

strativarius
May 2, 2024 2:31 am

“She would/could not provide a time series example to back up any part of her claim of ‘global climate to go off the rails’ … ‘more extreme events’. I asked her repeatedly for data, and she could only sign-off with ‘I made no such claim‘.”

PhD’s appear to be thrown around like confetti, now.

“folks”

That sets alarm bells ringing. Why? In the UK….

“What’s more, the adoption of the peculiarly down-home Little House on the Prairie vocabulary of American activists – eg, ‘trans folk’ – by their British cousins is very amusing. You can imagine people from the blue bayou of Chalfont St Giles saying things like, ‘Mercy mercy me, I do declare that y’all are just plain hatin’ on those lil’ ole trans folks’, as if they were Penelope Pitstop. I exaggerate, but only slightly.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/28/meet-the-mean-boys-of-trans-activism/

Funnily enough, a certain Austrian/German socialist type character had a big thing about folks – the Volksgemeinschaft. All the pieces are falling into place with these people.

Richard Greene
May 2, 2024 2:39 am

Robert Bradley has had many good articles where he challenges Climate Howlers online and gets them to “debate” (to th extent that leftists will debate anything they believe in).

His articles are my favorite choice for getting the latest Climate Howler claptrap. He should get hazardous duty pay.

The Climate Howlers thrown down one false claim after another to support their narrative.

They will even contradict their government’s data if necessary to scaremonger. These people who love the deep state climate scientists, but will misinterpret or truncate their data to make a point.

The obvious conclusion is that the majority are Climate Howlers, and they can throw down climate disinformation (and character attacks) much faster than the minority Climate Realists can refute them/

strativarius
Reply to  Richard Greene
May 2, 2024 3:22 am

I find the current crop of leftists most amusing in their total lack of self-awareness/engorged sense of entitlement.

Columbia [University] was refusing to allow the students who were then breaking windows and barricading themselves inside Hamilton Hall to access their usual canteen grub. 

‘We’re saying that [Columbia is] obligated to provide food to students who have paid for a meal plan here’, King-Slutzky told a sceptical press conference.   
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/05/01/they-arent-revolutionaries-theyre-bigoted-brats/

Comedy gold.

Reply to  strativarius
May 2, 2024 4:27 am

engorged sense of entitlement! Nice!

Reply to  Richard Greene
May 2, 2024 4:26 am

Climate howlers! I like that term. Like howler monkeys who are a hoot to listen to. I’m gonna use it here in Wokeachusetts- where we also have anti forestry howlers.

Rod Evans
May 2, 2024 3:23 am

Robert, you have clearly forgotten the basic rules employed by Climate Alarmists.
Their fundamental position is: Never allow reality to get in the way of belief.
Your request for a time series of increasing climate catastrophes from your alarmist friend would have been impossible for her to provide, because it might be real and thus outside her paradigm.

Reply to  Rod Evans
May 2, 2024 4:15 am

…… plus, of course, the fact that such a time series does not exist.

Reply to  philincalifornia
May 2, 2024 5:10 am

Good point, which needs to be made. 🙂

SteveZ56
Reply to  philincalifornia
May 2, 2024 6:45 am

A time series of extreme weather events, such as floods, droughts, hurricanes, tornados, blizzards, etc. probably does exist, and can probably be put together from historical records of such events in newspapers or (more recently) online reports. The alarmists don’t want to publish these time series because there wouldn’t be enough of a trend to justify their alarmism, or it might be in the wrong direction from their point of view.

Regarding hurricanes, the advent of weather satellites in the 1970’s increased awareness of stormy areas over the oceans that had the potential to develop into tropical storms and/or hurricanes in summer and early autumn. Prior to the use of satellites, the only way anyone was aware of storms that never made landfall was if a ship passed through the storm and radioed other ships to warn their crews to avoid them.

There is definitely a social benefit for weather satellites that can detect storms over the oceans: people along a nearby coast can be given several days’ warning of the approach of a storm, and can evacuate if necessary, and ship captains can be made aware of the storms and steer around them.

However, the use of satellites has also revealed the presence of many storms that never make landfall. At the end of each hurricane season, we get reports of “X named storms, Y hurricanes, and Z landfalling hurricanes”, where X/Z can range from 4 to 8. How many of these “named storms” run into high wind shear and break up before reaching land, and how many hurricanes move north over the mid-Atlantic and lose strength over cold water, eventually resulting in a weak rainstorm over Iceland or western Europe?

The point is, there were probably just as many of these storms that fizzled without making landfall before the advent of satellites as afterward. We didn’t know about them before the satellites were launched, and we do know about them afterward, so there appears to be an increase in hurricane activity which may not be real.

As an analogy to the “tree falls in a forest” proverb, if a hurricane churns through the open ocean and never hits a coast or an island, did it really happen?

Dave Fair
Reply to  SteveZ56
May 2, 2024 8:12 am

Such time series of extreme weather events are regularly published by reputable scientists such as Roger Pielke, Jr. Even the mendacious UN IPCC was forced to grudgingly admit in the AR6 WGI that extreme weather has not become more frequent, intense nor of longer duration in over 120 years of detailed recordkeeping. The convoluted and turgid wording of WGI muddied the message and the rest of AR6 went on to repeatedly lie that extreme weather was worsening.

Reply to  SteveZ56
May 3, 2024 9:21 pm

Just to be clear, although I thought I was being, this is what I was referring to as not existing:

“a time series of increasing climate catastrophes” 

Reply to  Rod Evans
May 2, 2024 4:28 am

“Never allow reality to get in the way of belief.”

But of course the sun rotates around the Earth. If you don’t believe that we must burn you at the stake!

Phil R
Reply to  Rod Evans
May 2, 2024 7:02 am

A data analyst who can’t analyze data, can’t provide a reference to the data she’s referring to, denies she said something that she said in writing just a few moments before, and engages in personally attacking anyone who disagrees with her. Definitely has all of the qualifications to be a climate scientist.

rtj1211
May 2, 2024 3:54 am

‘Truth is the first casualty of war’….

And the climate hobgoblin is certainly a war….

May 2, 2024 4:00 am

“Around 87 per cent of Americans say they have experienced at least one extreme weather event in the past five years…”

Sheesh- it’s called reality. Get used to it. Probably not as bad as the day I was in a metal fishing boat in the middle of the Okefenokee Swamp- and a lightning storm started. Of course that was back in ’74- long before the “climate emergency” started. 🙂

John Hultquist
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 9:34 am

 2 for me:
Extreme heat in 2021, extreme cold in 2023.
Natural events have a wide variance {how far a set of numbers are spread out from their average value}. Meaning extremes are expected.  

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 10:30 am

An “extreme” (whatever they mean by that) event in the last 5 years?
We’ve had a few severe thunderstorms. One year I needed help to shovel my driveway (But I also used to younger.).
Nothing I’d call “extreme” or that I’d hadn’t experienced years before.
(The Great Blizzard of ’78 would qualify as “extreme” but that was not in the last 5 years.)

May 2, 2024 4:04 am

“In the US,  wildfires destroyed more than 1.7 million acres in the first three months of 2024….”

Those fires, regardless of how or why they occurred- don’t destroy the acres. They may damage a forest- the forest will recover. Unfortunately, some of the fires will also damage/destroy homes and other structures- but that author ought to be careful of his wording.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 9:42 am

 To show my point about extremes in natural events, take a look at actual fire statistics (note: ~84% of wildland fires have been related to human activities).
At this date last year there had been more fires but only 22% of the area burned so far in ’24.
National Fire News | National Interagency Fire Center (nifc.gov)

Reply to  John Hultquist
May 3, 2024 9:29 pm

I forgot to save the links, but some of the arsonists who started the California Sierras fires a couple or three years ago, are getting big jail sentences. One got 7 years. The looneytune who set fires behind the firefighter lines is set to be sentenced soon, and is looking at 20 years.

You have to look hard to find it. It ain’t CNN headlines. Nor is it featured on The View.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 2, 2024 10:33 am

And, while the weather may effect it, a wildfire is hardly a “weather event”.

Reply to  Gunga Din
May 3, 2024 9:31 pm

affect not effect? So as not to be a contradiction.

May 2, 2024 4:13 am

Excellent battle, Mr. Bradley. Well done. I wish there were a few thousand people like you here in Wokeachusetts.

Paul Burgess
May 2, 2024 4:17 am

This is mt take on this
https://youtu.be/T-2KNIxRDrU

May 2, 2024 4:22 am

From the article: “and forecasters expect an unprecedented number of Atlantic hurricanes.”

Forecasters *always* expect an unprecedented number of Atlantic hurricanes. That’s what Climate Alarmist do: They go to extremes every time.

During the Major Hurricane drought from 2006 to 2017, the Forecasters forecast unprecendented numbers of Atlantic hurricanes every one of those years.

Forecasting unprecedented weather is what Climate Alarmists do. It’s the reason they live and breath. Unfortunately, their climate alarmist zeal does not improve their forecasts.

It’s all about scaring the Little People.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2024 10:28 am

Forecasters have to go with high side numbers. If they lowball, they are subjected to inquisitions and lawfare.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 3, 2024 4:54 am

An “unprecedented number” could equally mean exceptionally low or exceptionally high, could it not?

May 2, 2024 4:34 am

From the article: “Around 87 per cent of Americans say they have experienced at least one extreme weather event in the past five years — whether that’s drought, extreme heat, severe storms, wildfires or flooding.”

And? So? Extreme weather happens all the time. It happened before CO2 was an intellectual issue. There’s no evidence CO2 is connected to making extreme weather more extreme. None.

From the article: “Three-quarters of adults believe the science that climate crisis is at least partly to blame,”

What science? There is no science establishing that CO2 is causing a climate crisis. If some people believe there is, then they are mistaken and have been given the wrong impression by others.

“and the same percentage want the federal government to do something about it.”

Like what? As if the government could do something about it. Talk about hubris!

From the article: “But when it comes to this year’s presidential election, the issue trails inflation, healthcare, immigration and jobs in the list of voter priorities.”

Saying climate change fear trails those other categories is putting it mildly. Climate change is at the bottom of the list, so it trails every other issue. Not as many people believe in human-caused climate change as you suggest.

May 2, 2024 4:48 am

From the article: “Gulden’s lack of understanding about energy and economics basics is obvious from statements such as: “Renewables are more affordable than oil and gas” and “rooftop solar panels make good economic sense“.Many other of her statements in the long thread are easily refutable, but I will stick to climate science.”

You should send Lindsey Guiden a copy of “Climate, the Movie”. It will show her that there is no unprecedented weather happening on Earth. The extreme weather we experience is not more extreme than in the past, and in some cases, the weather is less extreme than in the past. Remind Lindsey that no major hurricanes (Cat 3, 4, or 5) came ashore in the United States from 2006 to 2017.

And no connection to CO2 and extreme weather is to be found anywhere, other than in the propaganda written by Climate Alarmists. And the Climate Alarmists don’t really show a connection, they just claim there is a connection and expect everyone else to believe them. No, I need some evidence/proof. Lindsey should require the same.

Walter Sobchak
May 2, 2024 5:47 am

“What an embarrassment to herself and her profession.”

Her profession? The oldest in the world.

Cue Joni Mitchell: Raised on Robbery

The Dark Lord
May 2, 2024 5:50 am

I’m sorry but the term “her profession” is really a stretch of the use of the word profession … these folks are the polar opposite of a professional …

May 2, 2024 6:14 am

“Data? We ain’t got no data! We don’t need no data! I don’t have to show you any stinking data!”

Rud Istvan
May 2, 2024 7:48 am

Never mud wrestle a pig. You just get muddy while the pig likes it.

Demanding facts from a climate believer is a form of mud wrestling.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 2, 2024 9:05 am

I disagree. In my many tussles with True Believers, I have found the questions, “What evidence do you have for your assertion?”, or, “How do you know that?” to be amazingly effective in reducing them to silence.

Reply to  Graemethecat
May 2, 2024 7:31 pm

You get silence? I get yelling and accusations. They believe its true because they’ve been told its true. Nothing more, nothing less.

kenji
May 2, 2024 8:55 am

I find it instructive that this apologist for Global Warming, cum EXTREME weather is fixated on fossil fuel executives and their pay. If that doesn’t tell you that this is a communist movement USING climate change as a vehicle … then nothing will. This is class warfare … this man demands a transfer of wealth to the granola-eaters! Gimme an oil co. exec. salary NOW! Sheesh. Go away commies.

Drake
Reply to  kenji
May 2, 2024 12:56 pm

Don’t forget all the “subsidies” the oil industry gets.

There are none to be found.

Sparta Nova 4
May 2, 2024 10:21 am

Never engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed. They never know when they have lost.

Boff Doff
May 2, 2024 1:06 pm

Ironically it would seem Gulden herself is funded by Big Oil, or she would like to be, having worked for Exxon for 10 years and sued them following her dismissal….

Denis
May 2, 2024 1:09 pm

Gulden said “For information from a reliable source, see, for example, https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/extreme-weather/.” I checked that “reliable source” and found not a single data stream illustrating any of the increasing “extreme events” cited. Not a single one. There was a single number I found, the year 1950 from which date the NASA reference states that hot days have increased. Of course, they did not say since 1930. If they had, hot days have, by far, not increased at all.

gyan1
May 2, 2024 8:11 pm

oops posted to the wrong article.

Louis Hunt
May 3, 2024 3:33 am

“Renewables are more affordable than oil and gas. Battery storage makes them more reliable.”

What fantasy world does Gulden live in? Not in the real world, that’s for sure.

May 3, 2024 5:00 am

Gulden:  “The most problematic component of climate change isn’t that the mean temperature goes up. It’s that there is much more variability and much less predictability. More extreme events (extreme freezes, extreme precipitation, extreme heat). “

Bradley: “Can you simply provide the time series data on hurricanes or other extreme events to support your general claim of increasing extreme events? “

Gulden: “I made no such claim”

Hmmm….

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