Left: Alexandra Souverneva (source: LinkedIn). Right: Gary Maynard (source CBS News). Fair use, low resolution images to identify the subjects.

Second US Academic Arrested, Accused of Starting California Wild Fires

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr. Willie Soon; The second US academic in two months, Alexandra Souverneva, has been arrested and accused of serial arson in California. Last month California Professor Gary Maynard was arrested in a separate incident, and accused of being a serial arsonist. Neither of the accused to my knowledge has been convicted of arson crimes.

Palo Alto Woman Alexandra Souverneva Charged With Starting Fawn Fire; She’s Being Investigated For Starting Other CA Wildfires

By CBS13 Staff
September 24, 2021 at 1:03 pm

SHASTA COUNTY (CBS13/AP) – Palo Alto woman Alexandra Souverneva is suspected of lighting a fire near where the Fawn Fire started, Cal Fire announced on Thursday.

Employees working near the JF Shea and Mountain Gate Quarries reported seeing a woman trespassing at the property and acting irrationally. 

Later in the day, authorities believe that the same woman, 30-year-old Palo Alto resident Alexandra Souverneva, emerged from the brush near the fire line and approached fire crews for help. Cal Fire said she had a lighter in her pocket at the time. 

On Friday, she was charged Friday with felony arson to wildland with an enhancement due to the declared state of emergency California is under, said Shasta County District Attorney Stephanie Bridgett.

Souverneva is also being investigated for starting other fires in Shasta County and throughout the state, Bridgett said.

According to her LinkedIn profile, Souverneva was enrolled as a Ph.D. student in the environmental chemistry program at State University of New York College of Environmental Sciences and Forestry. Also on her page, she lists her current occupation as “shaman.”

Read more: https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/09/24/fawn-fire-palo-alto-alexandra-sourverneva/

According to her Linked In profile, Alexandra’s most recent job was a part time chemistry and biology tutoring job in Palo Alto, which ended in 2020, presumably when she decided to become a full time shaman.

Alexandra is the second academic in two months to be charged with arson. Last month a former Californian sociology professor was also accused of starting wildfires.

A Former College Professor Accused Of Serial Arson Is Denied Bail In California

Updated August 11, 20215:39 PM ET 
BILL CHAPPELL

Firefighters battling the Dixie Fire have also been facing a second enemy: a serial arsonist who went on a spree of setting fires in July and August — and who sought to trap fire crews with his fires, according to agents from the U.S. Forest Service. They allege former college professor Gary Maynard is the culprit, citing their tracking of his movements and other evidence. 

“Where Maynard went, fires started. Not just once, but over and over again,” the government said in a court memorandum arguing for Maynard to be denied bail. 

A judge agreed to that request during a brief hearing Wednesday, saying there are no “conditions or combination of conditions that would provide the necessary level of safety to this community should the defendant be released.”

He added: “Based on that finding, the defendant will be detained as a risk of non-appearance and a danger to the community.”

Maynard, 47, is a former professor who has taught at colleges in New York and California, according to online records. Last fall, he taught in the criminology and criminal justice department at Sonoma State University, which says in its official bio for Maynard that he has a doctorate in sociology and three master’s degrees. 

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2021/08/11/1026700103/former-college-professor-arson-charges-california-dixie-fire

Let me emphasise, as far as I know neither of the accused have been convicted of committing the arson crimes for which they were arrested. There is no indication to my knowledge that the two accused know each other.

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September 27, 2021 6:08 pm

These are not individual criminals, but terrorists on behalf of their ideology.

stinkerp
Reply to  E. Schaffer
September 27, 2021 9:50 pm

That’s a large leap. If they did start those fires—which remains to be proved—they may simply be pyromaniacs; afflicted with a serious mental illness. Until we know that they did in fact start them and what their motivation was, all we have is conjecture. We have no reason to think that radical leftist environmentalist ideology drove them to do it any more than pyromania did. We just don’t know. Let’s withhold judgement until all the facts are in.

philincalifornia
Reply to  stinkerp
September 27, 2021 10:01 pm

Furthermore, this is all so recent that either of them being convicted by now is an impossibility.

John Tillman
Reply to  philincalifornia
September 28, 2021 9:58 am

You could be right, but I’d say the evidence to date points to criminal insanity at a minimum:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/natural-disasters/574159-shaman-accused-of-sparking-wildfire-by-boiling

philincalifornia
Reply to  John Tillman
September 28, 2021 11:26 am

I was referring to the temporal aspects of it. I think each one of them confessed at the scene but they haven’t been convicted yet because their trials haven’t happened yet.

Bryan A
Reply to  philincalifornia
September 28, 2021 2:26 pm

Do their Social Media webpages have tirades regarding climate change and weather related proofs with add on posts from the usual suspects?
Do they regularly retweet Michael Mann Sputum?

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Gunga Din
Reply to  John Tillman
September 28, 2021 5:19 pm

So … the belief in CAGW (Climate Change) may be the Cause?
(The “C” just needed a little help?)

mjc
Reply to  philincalifornia
September 28, 2021 11:38 am

Nothing is ILLEGAL in California.

Glen
Reply to  mjc
September 28, 2021 2:20 pm

Being a conservative may not be illegal but it is punished.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  stinkerp
September 27, 2021 10:07 pm

Hey. an entire quasi religious movement was founded on and firmly believes its doctrines on the basis of conjecture. AGW is based on pure conjecture and considering the terrorist group of public vandals, Extinction Rebellion, has the same cause as these two accused … I believe not granting bail is a wise decision. There at least appears to be fairly compelling circumstantial evidence.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 28, 2021 4:56 am

“I believe not granting bail is a wise decision.”

Definitely.

If these people are guilty as charged, they ought to lock them up and throw the keys away.

Posa
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 28, 2021 8:25 am

And up the charges to multiple homicides.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 28, 2021 5:06 am

Read James Franklin’s *The Science of Conjecture: Evidence and Probability Before Pascal* (2015 JHU).

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Doug Huffman
September 28, 2021 10:42 am

I’m sure it is an extremely edifying read but since I have so very many books on my must read list … and so very little time left, perhaps you could outline why, in the present context, I would benefit from Mr. Franklin’s work.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 28, 2021 5:11 pm

You used the word conjecture in a paragraph with circumstantial evidence in a jurisprudential context.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Doug Huffman
September 28, 2021 5:18 pm

OK … perhaps … but if so, so what? I shouldn’t have to be prompting you to produce your reasoning. If you want to say something, spit it out. What point should I be looking for? Do you have an actual argument?

Eric Vieira
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 1:23 am

Just like in Gernamy: when somebody gets killed by an moslem fanatic, it’s always due to mental illness and has nothing to do with religion… go figure. But soon, everyone who refuses the vaccine or the human caused climate change narrative will get a “mentally ill” diagnosis, in order to incapacitate them.

HotScot
Reply to  Eric Vieira
September 28, 2021 3:00 am

Well said.

Mind you, anyone to the left, by definition, has a mental condition.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 5:06 am

“Mind you, anyone to the left, by definition, has a mental condition.”

Yes you have to be detached from reality to look at the world the way the radical left does.

HotScot
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 2:57 am

That’s precisely why the climate alarmists have gotten as far as the have in this ‘debate’.

Were the boot on the other foot, the alarmists would have made sure this was front page news with the accused already convicted.

It’s all very well feeling superior by taking the moral high ground, but it’s a bit pointless if you lose the war.

John Boland
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 11:58 am

Agree…
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. They are both radical leftists.

Phil R
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 4:36 am

I may be a little late to the discussion, but stuff it. Tell that to all the liberal and progressive politicians, including Resident Biden and Vice-resident Harris who accused, tried and convicted our Border Patrol agents on horseback with whipping illegal immigrants. who was telling them to withhold judgement until all the facts are in?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Phil R
September 28, 2021 5:17 am

It’s outrageous that the Democrats are trying to use this fake whipping incident to try to divide Americans even further. But that’s typical for the Democrats.

The Democrats whole MO is to try to divide all of us up into little groups, and then they pit one group against another as a means to destroy our society and our way of life. Democrats don’t want all of us to get along with each other. It doesn’t suit their purposes.

Governor Abbott of Texas said if any horse-mounted Border Agents lose their jobs over this trumped-up whipping charge, that Texas will hire them all to work for Texas Border Patrol.

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stinkerp
Reply to  Phil R
September 28, 2021 8:26 am

So it’s okay for us to rush to judgement just like the idiots running around with their hair on fire over every news item and social media post? That makes us better people? I’m sticking with wisdom, self-discipline, moderation, and waiting until the facts are in. It’s a better way to live and better for my mental health.

DonM
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 10:27 am
  • preponderance of evidence
  • likelihood of guilt
  • reasonable assessment of the situation

I see a lot evidence of arson with intent. I also see that Prof is a bit of a nutcase. If you have the discipline (or whatever it may be) to keep your mind in a limbo state, good for you. But your argument that “they may simply be pyromaniacs” is a bit of a stretch.

(They may have been trying to set back fires to protect other people and property too… they just weren’t didn’t understand the concept and they weren’t very good at it.)

Gary Pearse
Reply to  stinkerp
September 30, 2021 6:04 pm

Arson is big in Australia, too.

https://headlineusa.com/fires-australia-climate-change-arson/

You may be on to something stinkerp. Perhaps radical leftism is the overarching mental disorder that needs treatment (it seems to be a common denominator) and lighting fires to support global warning one of their symptoms. Or maybe crisis climatism is the pathology.

I’d worry about their types offing penguins and polar bears, too, if these two poster creatures for global warming were more accessible.

Joao Martins
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 5:42 am

Very interesting question.

I wonder what is the fundamentl, essential, difference between pyromania and environmentalist ideology. That is to say, what are their underlying mechanisms of development in the human mind, and if those mechanisms are different.

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stinkerp
Reply to  Joao Martins
September 28, 2021 8:36 am

Pyromania is a form of mental illness. Thanks to the internet, you can look it up yourself and learn about it. People who believe leftist environmental ideology also have a higher rate of mental illness than others. In fact all leftists have a higher rate of mental illness; two to three times the rate of conservatives and moderates.

Does Liberalism Progressivism Cause Mental Illness?

This chart says it all:
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John Tillman
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 9:54 am

Mental illness causes Progressivism.

Bryan A
Reply to  John Tillman
September 28, 2021 2:29 pm

To quote Michael Savage…” Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”

michael hart
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 10:10 am

stinkerp, I advise you to be careful about what you look up on the internet. That’s the world we live in now.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  michael hart
September 28, 2021 10:44 am

The Pew Research Center does try to adhere to valid statistical tools.

Phoenix44
Reply to  stinkerp
September 30, 2021 2:10 am

45% of young white liberals! That’s narcissism combined with abuse.

Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 7:30 am

Strange logic. When a muslim shouts “allahu akbar”, stabs and kills innocent people, he is just mentally ill it has nothing to do with his religion. When socialists set “wild” fires, which then get exploited as evidence of “global warming”, it has nothing to do with their ideology. But if a teenager shoots at a mob of attackers in apparent self defence, it is “right wing terrorism”..

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/teen-terrorism-inspired-social-media-rise-here-s-what-we-ncna1261307

But probably we are not entitled to question such orwellian truth speak.

Gerard O'Dowd
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 11:43 am

You are correct in respecting the legal principle of innocence until proven guilty for these two individuals; and the State of California has not obtained nor reported specific evidence indicating either individual has committed a crime; nor should people engage in witch hunts blaming innocent people of inexplicable events that provoke deep seated fear and uncertainty.

Based on short validated questionnaires such as the Psychopathy Checklist, Kent A Kiehl, PhD, reported 1 out 150 people in the general population on psychology testing scored above the diagnostic threshold for the self- reported traits of sociopathy or psychopathy; so the incidence of sociopathy and psychopathy are far more common than most people realize; the traits include lack of empathy, guilt and remorse, glibness, superficiality, parasitic orientation, flat affect, irresponsibility, and impulsivity; one of the traits is a sense of grandiosity; sociopaths and psychopaths are quite capable of committing heinous crimes; yet some are described as charming.

Kiehl’s book The Psychopath Whisperer is based on a career of conducting and recording structured video taped interviews with high security prison in-mates, many of whom were serial murderers.

His second interview presented in detail was with Grant a man incarcerated for double homicide, plea bargained down to man slaughter. When Kiehl asked him a question about his history had he ever done anything for which he had never been caught, Grant laughed with what seemed like childhood mischief: “Lots…arson, robberies, breaking and entering, car theft, check fraud, and of course there are couple of bodies lying around.”

Yet the progressive Left demands Police Departments be defunded, prisons be closed and inmates released en mass.

Prison populations house a much higher percentage (15-30%) of inmates with high scores for sociopathy and psychopathy. Dr Kent A Kiehl has devoted his scientific career to studying them which he describes in The Psychopath Whisperer as the science of those without a conscience.

Progressive Leftists do not accept that Free Will or Individual Conscience or Moral Autonomy exist; these ideas have no real meaning, or material substance to them. Progressives cite MRI-PET scan experimental data that support the concept of Behavioral Determinism.

Karl Marx and Revolutionaries live by the credo that “The Ends justify the Means.” Marxist activism is synonymous with the Russian word “attentat” a Anarchist, Marxist/Leninist term for “propaganda of the deed”; direct action; use of violence including murder, assassination, bombing, terrorism to achieve political ends, to incite others to riot or revolution. Direct action can also be used to suppress dissent within ones own group, to intimidate, sow terror in the general population and instill fear in opponents, or to eliminate rivals within a political organization, to purge opponents. Attentat is the preferred common pathway of revolutionary Marxist-Leninism to achieve multiple political ends. Just ask Iosif Jughashvilli,
Mao Zedong, or Pol Pot and the mostly peaceful protesters of BLM and AntiFa.

A rather potent set of violent behavioral possibilities emerge when the Marxist/ Anarchist ideology of attentat, the grandiosity of Radical Environmentalism to Save the Earth, and high scores for Sociopathy/Psychopathy are combined or intersect in a particular individual. Perhaps the accused possess this combination of traits and beliefs. I hope we find out.

I don’t know if either person mentioned in the article has taken a psych test such as a MMPI, Childhood Psychopathy Scale (CPS) or the Psychopathy Checklist- Revised (PCL-R) to see if they scored highly for the self reported traits (callous and unemotional) prior to employment. I don’t know if modifications of the Psychopathy Check List have been developed specifically for arson; but it is likely a proportion of Californians are Marxists and sociopaths or psychopaths who have committed arson or capable of committing arson.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Gerard O'Dowd
September 28, 2021 5:50 pm

Gerard,
My personal belief is that large numbers of socio- and psychopaths have found careers in our institutions and bureaucracies! It used to be that the MSM actually investigated corruption and malfeasance, now they are more than happy to sweep corrupt and criminal behavior under the rug; unless you’re a dreaded Republican!
Fortunately, Republicans who are convicted of crimes can always restore their careers; they just have to start identifying as DemoKKKrats! Problem solved!

John Larson
Reply to  stinkerp
September 29, 2021 4:15 am

We have no reason to think that radical leftist environmentalist ideology drove them to do it any more than pyromania did.”

Please speak for yourself. It seems obvious to me that there is good reason to think that some people will be more likely to indulge any urges they might have to start fires, if they believe doing so will help “save the planet”.
The potential “intersectionality” that nonstop climate alarmism generates is blatantly obvious, to me (here in an extremely dry year California). It somewhat surprised me that you would present this an either-or proposition, it’s so obvious.

TonyG
Reply to  John Larson
September 29, 2021 6:58 am

“It seems obvious to me that there is good reason to think that some people will be more likely to indulge any urges they might have to start fires, if they believe doing so will help “save the planet”. “

like https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/28/the-new-yorker-asks-should-the-climate-movement-embrace-sabotage/ ?

Dean
Reply to  E. Schaffer
September 28, 2021 12:37 am

Innocent until proven guilty.

You may want to live in an authoritarian state, but not having fair trial before pronouncing someone a terrorist is not something I ever want to see.

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HotScot
Reply to  Dean
September 28, 2021 3:04 am

How about Jan 6th and those people locked up for ‘insurrection’ or whatever? Did that just pass you by?

How about people now getting beaten up and arrested for peacefully demonstrating against covid lockdowns, vaccinations etc.?

And where are all the convictions for the BLM riots that torched cities? Were they just poor mentally afflicted arsonists.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee mate.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 3:22 am

“You need to wake up and smell the coffee mate.”

“You need to wake up and smell what you’re shovelling, mate!!!”

There, all fixed!!! 😉

HotScot
Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 28, 2021 4:14 am

No one has been incarcerated without charge over Jan 6th then?

Australia isn’t turning into a Totalitarian country with Dan Andrews? ‘Punishing’ Tradies for demonstrating by shutting down the building industry for two weeks?

How many people were locked up for torching and smashing up cities across America? Precisely if you would.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 5:30 am

Well they did arrest a 17 year-old for killing someone who was pointing a gun at him.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Alan the Brit
October 4, 2021 7:46 am

Peeps have misinterpreted what I said in response to HotScot’s posting! I was not aiming my comment at his comment, merely changing his comment telling Dean to smell the coffee, I was simply suggesting that Dean is told to smell what he is shovelling, easily done I’m sure!!! Nothing more, nothing less!!! 😉

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Dean
September 28, 2021 3:21 am

Yet these two quite possibly do want such an authoritarian state just as all lefties do. Oh I know the odd useful idiot believes in utopia which inevitably morphs into a dystopia, but the authoritarian rule is not for them, they make the rules or at least that is their intention! These people believe that Humans are evil & wicked & therefore MUST be controlled & instructed how to live their lives according to their rules!!! No ifs, buts, or maybes!!!

H.R.
Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 28, 2021 4:43 am

The useful idiots are always so surprised when they are the first to be purged.

“But, but, but…. I thought I was going to be in charge!”

Robert Hanson
Reply to  H.R.
September 28, 2021 11:32 am

Robespierre comes to mind. And Trotsky. But theses are just unfortunate individuals.

The Great Purge, also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags. This ruthless and bloody operation caused rampant terror throughout the U.S.S.R. and impacted the country for many years.”

Castro did the same with many of the “revolutionaries” who fought beside him, once they were no long useful.

The song remains the same…..

starzmom
Reply to  Dean
September 28, 2021 5:18 am

In the legal profession, there is probable cause to charge, which is defined as sufficient evidence to convince a reasonable person that guilt is more than a mere possibility. (I am paraphrasing one court’s definition–I know there are others.) Bond is set depending on the court’s belief that the person represents a danger to others and/or is a flight risk.

If there is sufficient evidence to convince a judge that these people are a danger to society or that they will flee if released, they should have bonds sufficiently high enough to prevent either more crimes or their disappearance. In the court system I work in, most defendants get a bond, even horrible murderers. For the worst, it is just set so high they can’t possibly bond out.

Don Perry
Reply to  Dean
September 28, 2021 5:53 am

You already have seen it with the President of the United States promising to punish horseback border agents on national television in spite of no evidence whatever of a crime even having been committed. I’m afraid you’re too late with your concern. The captain of the ship of state is a lunatic and the ship is rapidly taking on water.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Dean
September 28, 2021 5:53 am

Innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, all right, this is a principle of law and justice. Which are human conventions.

On the other hand, this precious principle, invaluable for the existence of modern societies, does not prevent us from using a rational, scientific approavh to the facts. As Spinoza has put it in his Tractatus politicus:

Non ridere, non lugere, neque detestare, sed intelligere “: not ridicule it, not lament it, nor execrate it, but (instead) understand it.

(please check also my comment of September 28, 2021 5:42 am to stinkerp).

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Rusty
Reply to  E. Schaffer
September 28, 2021 2:56 am

She’s more likely to be mentally ill. Having read up on her background and her recent behaviour that is almost certain.

starzmom
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 5:20 am

Maybe so. All the more reason she should not be wandering around setting fires or causing other mayhem.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 5:25 am

Yeah, “shaman” gave me a clue.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 28, 2021 7:29 am

Hey, my sister is a shaman. No fooling. But she’s no danger to others. The only danger seems to be to her checkbook.

DonM
Reply to  Jeffery P
September 28, 2021 10:34 am

Poor business sense? She doesn’t charge for her sha(wo)man services, or she just isn’t very good at shamanning?

Jeffery P
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 7:28 am

Oh, she’s a nutcase. But it remains to be seen — what kind of nutcase is she?

Neo
Reply to  E. Schaffer
September 28, 2021 8:40 am

There was a report that Alexandra Souverneva was trying to boil down bear urine.
No report on how she got the bear urine.

Reply to  Neo
September 28, 2021 11:03 am

I’d have an idea, though it might not have been urine 😉

Richard Page
Reply to  E. Schaffer
September 28, 2021 2:32 pm

Eewww. Just no.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  E. Schaffer
September 29, 2021 8:16 am

Stossel could use this evidence against Facebook & its Fact Checkers.

Tom Halla
September 27, 2021 6:09 pm

Individual nutcases are not the problem with wildlands fires, but the Sierra Club or Friends of the Earth lobbyists are, who interfere with real forest management policies, seeming to have the belief that leaving the wildlands alone is sufficient to maintain their pristine state.
So the Indians were not actual people, with clear intent and ability to manage the wildlands for their desired purpose, which was mostly as a deer park?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 28, 2021 3:06 am

Native Americans, please mate. You wouldn’t want to offend some bleating, white, middle class liberal now, would you?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 3:27 am

From what I have read about it, the Native Americans, as we must call them, aren’t, they crossed the land-bridge during the last glacial period, invading the new lands, infiltrating & killing & inter-breeding with the original Native Americans, oh & I am a white middle-class male but not a liberal other than in the broadest possible sense!!!

HotScot
Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 28, 2021 4:17 am

I have no idea what you’re smoking. You are all over the place.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 4:56 am

Don’t smoke & have never ever touched whacky-backy!!! Please explain why you think I am all over the place?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 28, 2021 5:31 am

Who were the original Native Americans?

They didn’t originate in North America, whoever they were.

If you are the first one to come upon a landmass, does that give you ownership of the whole thing? Finders, keepers?

You can keep what you can defend, is how it works out in the real world.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 28, 2021 7:59 am

Aussies need to understand that when China’s PLA comes knocking at their shores.

Jeffery P
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 7:29 am

“First peoples”

DonM
Reply to  Jeffery P
September 28, 2021 10:36 am

which ones were first?

Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 8:07 am

You are behind the times, HS – it is “Indigenous Peoples” in the latest edition of NewSpeak.

buggs
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 10:58 am

Highly subjective terms largely dependent on geographic time and place of the moment you exist in. Confusing? Of course it is.

In the U.S. the term “Indian” has lasted far longer than it has in Canada. It is largely now considered to be a derogatory term. So Native Americans is likely the correct terminology in the U.S.

However if you step into Canada we’ve gone from Indians (not used in perhaps 30-40 years formally) to Native Canadians, to Indigenous, to First Nations and now back to Indigenous though First Nations doesn’t rub too many the wrong way just yet.

It will change again.

Abolition Man
Reply to  buggs
September 28, 2021 6:01 pm

buggs,
Funny, but most Native Americans don’t agree with you! The mad rush to obliterate team names and mascots has only shown that a small, very vocal minority is driving the bus; most of the people from the reservations around where I live just prefer respect and friendliness! They don’t feel like victims; that takes years and years of modern schooling!

buggs
Reply to  Abolition Man
September 29, 2021 10:05 am

Oh I agree, it’s not the actual individuals doing it, it’s the do-gooders, predominantly white and feeling guilty as all get out.

In Canada there are a great many First Nations communities that are trying to move on and be productive but the activists don’t want them to for reasons that are mostly incomprehensible. Take for example the majority of First Nations communities in B.C. that wanted the pipeline to proceed. They saw jobs, residual revenue and other sources of income to allow their communities and peoples to move forward. The activists on the other side want to keep them (selves?) in the dark ages and blame everyone for everything.

It’s divisive politics that is intentional that drives the wedge. But victim-hood pays reasonably well now, plus you get stuff for your Instagram page and Facebook account that makes you “famous” in the moment.

All that said, two different countries and we are way more socialist, so we do as we’re told.

SxyxS
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 28, 2021 3:12 am

This is NOT individual nutcases.
This is simply the execution of Alynskies “Rules for radicals” and the use of hegelian dialectics to terrorize and demoralize the population until they comply(ever heard of gladio 1&2?) .
That’s a strategy the military calls shock and awe.

In Australia they caught almost 200 Arsonists during the wildfire.
Now some of them are really crazy(the best kind of useful idiots )
but most of these is staged and coordinated as NGO sponsored protests.

They know AGW is BS.
It has failed on ALL relevant terms.
Sea levels ain’t rising – just the usual > 3mm per year that’s going on for millenias.
Crop productions are rising.
Number of hurricanes went so much down that they hype irrelevant tropical storms as catastrophy.
We neither have mass starvations(outside of communist countries) that happened on a regular basis until the 80ies,nor megafloods that killed millions of people in the 20th century before AGW scam started ,nor tens of thousands of people being killed by heatwaves.
Burned acreage went massivly down in the last 100 years and is only rising as result of deliberate poor forest management.

The only real crisis we face are indeed man made,created by politicians=
cutting of energy supply,
poor forest management,
Alpha version vaccines that are released after a few month instead of years of testings.
Demonising traditional and effective flu medicine as HCQ and Iverctimin (Belarus has >5000 covid victims though they have no lockdowns,no masks,no vaccines- just consequentl use of traditional stuff)
Sending covid patients to nursing homes and killing hundreds of thousands (where are all those George Floyd guys to protest against mass killings – billionaires MSM obviously gave no orders to do so)
California has a deliberate catastrophe in the making.
Millions of more people in the desert state but they refuse to built new reservoirs so they can run out of water- and then blame it on climate change

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Bryan A
Reply to  SxyxS
September 28, 2021 5:28 am

It’s also California, Home of Berserkly Punyversity and Kaczynski

Joao Martins
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 28, 2021 5:57 am

I would add to your first paragraph: and through their propaganda activities which are used to brainwash and recruit new believers in their faith.

September 27, 2021 6:13 pm

It’s my fault for making a fire video … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV2nwRszj8k

bonbon
Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 28, 2021 3:06 am

LOL!
Missing is : FIRE Economyhttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fire-economy.asp

The FIRE economy has grown to become a major contributor to the overall U.S. economy.

That is the sector including Evergrande, and fires do spread….

Giordano Milton
September 27, 2021 6:20 pm

I’m anxious to see what the truth is, is rue, why they started the fires, and then what kinds of charges may come if people died in the fires. First, due process.

Phil R
Reply to  Giordano Milton
September 27, 2021 6:26 pm

Due process only applies to governments and legal proceedings…hang ’em.

Duker
Reply to  Phil R
September 28, 2021 12:20 am

Exactly. Innocent until proven guilty is soley for the judge and jury to be guided by. Doesn’t apply to others beyond the court room walls

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Giordano Milton
September 27, 2021 8:41 pm

The reason is, there is a shortage of actual environmental catastrophes due to climate change, so some need to be created, to support the narrative.
“It’s the thought that counts”.

HotScot
Reply to  Giordano Milton
September 28, 2021 3:12 am

Oh come on!

In the UK the ‘Insulate Britain’ mob (offshoot of XR) brought the busiest motorway to a halt on several occasions this summer. One woman crashed and was in intensive care, another woman suffered an entirely avoidable stroke whilst stuck for 6 hours in an Ambulance.

The best our MET police would do is file an injunction against them for disrupting the M25, so they went onto the M20, where there was no injunction and blocked that instead.

Then they returned to the M25 and got arrested. They will be let off with a slap on the wrist for their behaviour.

Were it those on the right conducting these offences we would all have been in the slammer so fast it would have made our heads spin.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  HotScot
October 4, 2021 7:55 am

I may be getting on a bit, but I seem to recall that at one time in the not so distant past, that it was illegal to obstruct the Queen’s highways, a law that went back centuries!!!

commieBob
September 27, 2021 6:20 pm

Having kicked God out of their lives, people embrace the pathological with fanatical religious fervour. I think it may be hyperbole to say that these people would have sent chills up Osama bin Laden’s back … but I’m not so sure of that.

Jordan Peterson has an interview with two religious scholars and they discuss how people who’ve dropped religion start to believe in all kinds of random crap. link 0:11:47

Given the actions of the two arsonists and many others, perhaps CAGW should be classified as a terrorist organisation.

Kemaris
Reply to  commieBob
September 27, 2021 6:26 pm

Clearly Peterson has read his Chesterton.

Editor
Reply to  commieBob
September 27, 2021 6:45 pm

commieBob wrote, “Given the actions of the two arsonists and many others, perhaps CAGW should be classified as a terrorist organisation.”

Sky News Australia’s Andrew Bolt says:
‘The global warming cult is getting very dangerous’: Bolt – YouTube

Regards,
Bob

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 27, 2021 8:44 pm

Wish arsonists got arrested here in Australia. Authorities actually do know who they are but just do nothing.

HotScot
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 28, 2021 3:24 am

God alone knows what happening in Aus. just now. I watched an interview by an Aussie/British Barrister the other day explaining that two commissions have been held over the corruption in the QL and NSW (I think it was those two) police which exposed massive corruption that had infected lawyers and judges alike.

There was one almost concluded in Victoria but covid stopped it in it’s tracks. So Dan Andrews is taking full advantage of the brutality inherent within his police force to exercise his tyrannical beliefs.

That lunatic and his bunch of uniformed thugs need to be put on trial for their behaviour. I watched a civilian on all fours, surrounded by cops being booted in the head by one of them. Evidently it was investigated and found to be reasonable force!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 4:19 am

What is going on here is pure madness.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 28, 2021 5:40 am

This is where electing “moral” busybodies” gets you. They’re doing it for you own good, they say.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 28, 2021 7:31 am

Have a look at Antifa in the US. No charges for those street terrorists, either.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Jeffery P
September 28, 2021 6:10 pm

Jeffery P,
Antifa and the BurnLootMurder rioters are the new civilian military that Hussein Obama spoke of some years ago! The DOJ and the FBI rely on them to keep the citizenry in turmoil, so that they can concentrate on the real danger to the ruling elites; patriots that foolishly still believe in our country and it’s founding documents! They prefer the CCP to us!

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 27, 2021 9:18 pm

I happened to see Andrew Bolt on tv yesterday when I searched for something interesting to watch at my hotel. I didn’t find anything, but I found Bolt to be fairly rational and sensible, albeit a bit fervent.

He is portrayed as a raving far-right lunatic by the MSM in Australia. That’s all I need to know about the MSM.

Dennis
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 2:37 am

Similar situation to UK mathematician Monckton who produced a paper based on his audit of climate change modelling exposing the deliberate errors and omissions it contained.

Bolt back his own commentary with facts and figures too.

Monckton was banned from addressing IPCC meetings and conferences and they accused him of not being a climate scientist, but Monckton never claimed to be one. He produced an audit of figures report.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dennis
September 28, 2021 5:53 am

“Monckton was banned from addressing IPCC meetings and conferences and they accused him of not being a climate scientist”

That’s disengenuous of the IPCC. There are a lot of people associated with the IPCC who are not climate scientists yet have input into the final product. Some of those people are leftwing climate activists.

Monckton destroys the leftwing narrative of the UN IPCC, so naturally they don’t want to hear what he has to say, and they don’t want the rest of us to hear what he has to say, either.

It’s classic leftwing censorship. They try to silence anyone who doesn’t go along with the leftwing program.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 5:48 am

“He is portrayed as a raving far-right lunatic by the MSM in Australia.”

The Leftwing Media always describes anyone to the right of Karl Marx as being “far-right”, by which they mean “extremist”. There are no moderate people on the Right as far as the Leftwing Extremists are concerned. Looking at things this way, they give themselves permission to viciously attack anyone on the Right.

The Leftwing extremists are calling conservatives extremists. They do so to distract from their own extremism. Leftwing extremists lie just about all the time.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  commieBob
September 27, 2021 10:40 pm

Having kicked God out of their lives, people embrace the pathological with fanatical religious fervour.”

Not really.

David Archibald
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 28, 2021 1:41 am

Yes they do. Some others that believe in global warming and that humanity is a plague on the planet went off and created viruses. Peter Daszak, of corona virus fame, decorated the stage behind him with a Medusa-like figure with skulls in her hair. He also wrote a paper entitled “The Artist as a Serial Killer” which you can buy from Springer Link for 35 Euros.

Rusty
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 28, 2021 3:03 am

It’s utterly ridiculous that such an ignorant comment as CommieBob’s could be written here and get so many upticks.

Makes me think there are as many lunatics on this side of the argument as there are on the CAGW side.

Beleive in this unsubstantiated nonsense or you’ll end up believing in that unsubstantiated nonsense!

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 5:53 am

So we should believe your unsubstantiated nonsense instead, Rusty?

Those making such claims have likely never given a full examination of the Bible and of the historicity of Christ, nor received the free gift. Outside of this forum, Rusty, I invite you to set aside what passes for much of Christian “religion” and examine firsthand the claims of scripture. Jesus says, “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me.” (The Gospel of John Chapter 14 verse 6)

To help understand our times and possibly your own beliefs, read the Book of Romans Chapter 1 verses 18-32.

Commiebob is correct that there is a vacuum in many people’s lives when they turn from trust in God, and they seek to fill that void with other devotions (e.g., CAGW, yoga, Scientism, sustainability, radical feminism, gender confusion, secular humanism) or some simply grasp for “personal peace and prosperity” at almost any cost (e.g., loss of liberty; tyranny).

As a reader and contributor here, you may not subscribe to Biblical Christianity, having created your own reality, but you cannot deny that many people, separated from God, are nevertheless seeking meaning and purpose to their brief sojourn here on this Earth. Some can even be motivated, as in the case of ecoterrorists, to act on their beliefs. We live in savage times.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Pflashgordon
September 28, 2021 11:53 am

Christianity is hardly the only religion that believes in God. And not believing in a rigid monotheistic “God” hardly makes one an atheist. Jefferson didn’t believe in such a “God”, but he was hardly an atheist.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 28, 2021 9:48 pm

Who said the word “atheist?” As for Jefferson, he clearly was not a Christian, yet much of his system of beliefs, ethics and morals derived from what he knew of the Bible. He appeared to believe in a god of some form, one that he believed to be a benevolent creator. Any person, Jefferson, you or me, if he is honest, wrestles with these matters (“whither, what, whence” to borrow a thought from Gauguin’s last oil painting, 1898) and reaches some sort of conclusion. The thoughtful Christian regularly questions and doubts, examines the evidence, especially when confronted with the trials and suffering of this life. My wife, for example, is a faithful loving and cheerful believer in Christ while she has suffered for over 30 years with a rare genetic disorder that causes her body to grow benign nerve sheath tumors on her peripheral nerves (schwannomatosis). She lives in relentless, excruciating pain every moment of her waking life as her world slowly closes in around her. In contrast, I am struck by the sheer anger of those here who lash out at any mention of God, especially a one true God.

But we are straying from Commiebob’s and my original point. Whatever you personally believe, you must recognize that people, seeking some meaning and purpose in life, may fill it with all sorts of beliefs, including CAGW, even to the point of violence. Rusty’s tempestuous response to Commiebob revealed more about Rusty while failing to understand the Bob’s observation.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Pflashgordon
September 28, 2021 12:43 pm

do you honestly believe that by writing what you have done here will do any good?

“To help understand our times and possibly your own beliefs, read the Book of Romans……”

And… “seeking meaning and purpose to their brief sojourn”…

Most people are perfectly capable of reading, and figuring out what you are “selling” is a man centred reading of life, in very much the same way as all yankee salesmen do..

Ie. Do this, buy this package and all your problems will be solved…
In other words you are contradicting yourself in the very essence of what you write.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  pigs_in_space
September 28, 2021 10:11 pm

pigs, actually, most people are not perfectly capable of figuring things out for themselves. As for the message, it is just the opposite of “man centred.” From your spelling of “centred,” I think I understand your term “yankee salesmen,” although you may recall that the Protestant Reformation started and flourished in Europe and was brought to the Americas.

But hey, I am selling nothing. There is nothing to buy. It is a free gift of God to receive without cost or to reject. Obviously, you do not know the Bible, or you would not suggest for a moment that it says believe and “all your problems will be solved.” Far from it. Rather than lash out at the messengers, try reading the Message.

If you would rather not read such on this site, perhaps you should not be so easily offended. You live in a world populated by billions of people who believe in a god of some sort. You cannot avoid running into a few of them from time to time.

MarkW
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 7:10 am

Can you prove that God doesn’t exist? If not then you too are believing in unsubstantiated nonsense.

What is it about atheism that causes those who believe in it to attack anyone who disagrees with them? Insecurity?

Jeffery P
Reply to  MarkW
September 28, 2021 7:33 am

The burden of proof is not on the skeptics.

Reply to  Jeffery P
September 28, 2021 8:36 am

Which skeptics? Those skeptical of the notion that Deity exists – or those skeptical of the notion that Deity does not exist?

In a way, you are correct; for a skeptic, the burden is not that of proof – it is the burden of disproof.

“Catastrophic” – disproven completely to my satisfaction.

“Anthropogenic” – disproven as a significant factor completely to my satisfaction.

“Global Warming” – proven that it HAS occurred, but NOT proven (or disproven) that it will continue in the future.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  writing observer
September 29, 2021 4:57 am

““Global Warming” – proven that it HAS occurred, but NOT proven (or disproven) that it will continue in the future.”

Warming has occurred but the jury is out on how much is caused by Mother Nature and how much is caused by humans.

It looks to me like most of the warming is from Mother Nature because there is a lot more human-derived CO2 in the atmosphere today, but the temperatures are no warmer than in the recent past when much less CO2 was in the atmosphere.

So CO2 cannot have much of an influence.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
September 28, 2021 10:21 am

What is it about atheism that causes those who believe in it to attack anyone who disagrees with them?

I could ask the same about the religious.

Yes, there are SOME atheists who feel a need to attack believers. Just like there are SOME believers who feel a need to attack atheists. Then there are others who just don’t care, until they are attacked. Don’t group all atheists together and I won’t group all believers together, ok?

Pflashgordon
Reply to  TonyG
September 28, 2021 10:15 pm

Agreed. Perhaps MarkW paints with too broad a brush? “Never” and “always” are tricky words.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 28, 2021 7:32 am

Progressives are the heroes of their own stories.

Rod Evans
Reply to  commieBob
September 28, 2021 12:48 am

I would be interested to know how the religious leaders being interviewed were able to differentiate random crap, from presumably non random crap, or religion as they call it.
The believers simply believe and the most frightening thing is they consider their belief very important, and possibly even real..

commieBob
Reply to  Rod Evans
September 28, 2021 4:01 pm

If you’re interested in knowing how they do it, watch the video.

“Random crap” is my wording, not theirs. I, personally, recommend On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit .

Rusty
Reply to  commieBob
September 28, 2021 3:00 am

I take it you’re a fully paid up member of Wahhabism and turn and pray to Mecca 5 times a day. If not why not?

Which one of the thousands of gods do you recommend people turn to?

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 10:19 pm

One only.

Rusty, as Reagan said to Carter, “There you go again.” You just can’t seem to help yourself.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  commieBob
September 28, 2021 3:13 am

I never ‘kicked’ God out of my life because he,she,it was never in it. And look at what kind of terrorist I turned out to be. Keep your religion out of our discussions, please….

HotScot
Reply to  commieBob
September 28, 2021 3:15 am

I’m agnostic. The thought of endangering others by my own hand wouldn’t cross my mind. In fact I went out my way for many years to ensure the safety of others. One doesn’t need to be religious to understand the Ten Commandments is an entirely pragmatic document to strive to live by.

Bryan A
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 5:41 am

The big ten rules for life that nearly every organized religion has broken at least one and likely three or more in the name of the church

MarkW
Reply to  Bryan A
September 28, 2021 7:11 am

Only the perfect can be religious?

Bryan A
Reply to  Bryan A
September 28, 2021 2:49 pm

At least 5 people don’t believe me.

Thou shalt have no other gods before
—(except for Jesus)
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
—(except for Jesus, Mary, Joseph, St____fill in the blank)
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
—(Unless you’re doing Church Work)
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
—(unless they’re a witch or member of another religion)
Thou shalt not commit adultery
—(unless you’re a priest and that’s a mighty cute alter boy)
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house or thy neighbour’s wife

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 6:02 am

“is an entirely pragmatic document to strive to live by.”

Yes. People who have a human-friendly/life friendly moral foundation don’t usually turn into terrorists.

Don Perry
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 6:17 am

Interestingly, the first four commandments are about duty and reverence to God. Perhaps there is something pragmatic about those commandments as well as the others.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Don Perry
September 29, 2021 5:00 am

The best advice is: Treat other people the way you would want to be treated.

The Golden Rule

commieBob
Reply to  commieBob
September 28, 2021 5:42 am

I said:
… people embrace the pathological …
I should have said:
… SOME people embrace the pathological …

The scholars I linked add a lot of nuance to my simplistic statement.

Certainly, I am not the first to observe that CAGW followers act a lot like extreme religious zealots.


pigs_in_space
Reply to  commieBob
September 28, 2021 12:47 pm

“Having kicked God out of their lives”…. assuming they had God in their lives in the first place.
Philosophical contradiction No1

“Jordan Peterson has an interview with two religious scholars”.
Philophical contradiction No2.
“Religious scholars” is an oxymoron.

Phil R
September 27, 2021 6:22 pm

Academia…a tool for good or evil.

September 27, 2021 6:24 pm

If they have found two, there were likely more.

Phil R
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 27, 2021 6:28 pm

The tip of the iceberg principle.

Bryan A
Reply to  Phil R
September 27, 2021 8:58 pm

The head of the Match Stick. The Bold and Butane is

Lil-Mike
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 27, 2021 7:22 pm

Hmmm university, the same nursery as the eco-terrorist Unabomber.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lil-Mike
September 28, 2021 6:07 am

There is a lot of unsavory stuff cooking in our universities nowadays.

I think they may be one of the sources of the problem. The problem being the inablity to perceive reality properly caused by leftwing political brainwashing.

If you live in a false reality, you are going to make bad choices.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 28, 2021 7:13 am

A university in Washington state has created a segregated dorm exclusively for those who identify as black.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/western-washington-university-black-affinity-housing

Not too many years ago, liberals were denouncing segregated housing. Now they are demanding it.

starzmom
Reply to  MarkW
September 28, 2021 9:49 am

What does it take to identify as black? A person own feeling, or how they are perceived by others? How much say do other residents have? I bet it has more to do with others perception than one’s own feelings.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
September 28, 2021 10:03 am

It’s pure racial segregation.

It’s pure racism.

ih_fan
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 27, 2021 8:12 pm

So, if “Global Warming” is the cause behind the California fires, then could it be argued that “Global Warming” causes Liberals to go mad and start deadly wildfires?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ih_fan
September 28, 2021 6:14 am

Some psychopaths are highly susceptible to brainwashing. The alarmists keep telling us the world is about to end if we don’t do something about climate change, and this crisis atmosphere sets off some psychopaths who act out violently, whether it might be setting a fire, or doing some other violent act because the crisis atmosphere, and the voices in their heads, compel them to take action.

So arguing that the fake crisis of Human-caused Global Warming is driving some on the Left crazy enough to do violence would be valid, imo.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 27, 2021 10:14 pm

There was another one arrested. An Asian American lady who, in a separate incident, exited the forest in a bikini, I think she was denied bail.

i have seen or heard nothing definitive to indicate that they are climate crackpots but, if they are, the truth will come out and, significantly, it won’t be in the MSM.

Proving that carbon dioxide, and not arson, is the cause of wildfires by committing arson is well beyond regular climate crackpotism.

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HotScot
Reply to  philincalifornia
September 28, 2021 3:28 am

Unavailable to those from the ‘European Union’ of which the UK is no longer a part.

Joao Martins
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 6:07 am

Use Opera browser in private mode, activate vpn and chose a virtual location in “Americas”. That will do.

H. D. Hoese
September 27, 2021 6:27 pm

Of course, “Innocent until proven guilty” is one of the foundational justifications that the states accepted to become united. Nevertheless, this might be worth investigating— Sigma Xi, National Scientific Research Honor Society, of which I am an emeritus member, is embarked on some sort of policy agenda, also is having as the annual student meeting–

“#SciCommMake — Where Art and Science Meet

#SciCommMake is a unique program, organized by Sigma Xi and Science Talk, to bring together interdisciplinary teams of scientists, artists, and science communicators. The teams compete for funding to create innovative artwork and films that effectively and broadly communicate scientific evidence to the public.” One example – “2021 #SciCommMake: Communicating Just Climate Solutions. The science is clear—climate change is happening. Not only are humans responsible for it, they are also uniquely capable of reversing it…….This #SciCommMake event will focus on climate equity and environmental justice.” Is the following of significance? Is it a religion of a sort?

“Mental Health “Happy” Hour
Cultivating Mental Health Resilience and Resourcefulness in the Sciences banner Register today to participate in the first mental health “Happy” Hour this Wednesday, September 29, 3–4 p.m. ET, facilitated by our wellness partner Happy. It is FREE to attend!
The new monthly series will bring together the Sigma Xi community for conversations about building resilience and finding solutions to challenges we may face as individuals and as a community”

The problem is that the Sigma Xi administration, apparently including the editor of American Scientist published by them, seems to much more interested in improving communication than science. It has been a long time since they covered anything on climate except for the usual occasional author statement, the equivalent of “you know.”

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
September 27, 2021 9:52 pm

It is this sort of behavior that led me to leve Sigma Xi more than 5 years ago. Yet I still get E-Mails from the national and local organizations, and the occasional offer to re-up. Not worth the money or the time.

Kevin
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
September 27, 2021 11:26 pm

I occasionally buy their magazine as a replacement for the hopelessly irredeemable Scientific American but it too is infected by Wokeus Vulgaris.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kevin
September 28, 2021 7:14 am

Here are a couple of article titles from the October issue of Scientific American, just to show how far it has fallen from its science roots:

“Social Capital in Black Comminities is Often Overlooked”

“Abortion Rights Are at the Greatest Risk since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1972”

Sad, isn’t it.

Willem Post
September 27, 2021 6:29 pm

These arsonist/teachers likely were polluting the minds of young people with GW garbage.

Why not start a big forest fire, to make it look like GW needs to be solved right now?

This is similar to the IPCC eliminating the unexplainable LIA, some years ago, because “it was just a European phenomenon”.

The perpetrators should drawn and quartered

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Willem Post
September 27, 2021 9:20 pm

unexplainable

I think the word is inexplicable. Don’t ask me why, however. English is a crazy language.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 27, 2021 10:27 pm

English is a crazy language.

Here we go again. You are correct that inexplicable is inferentially the correct usage in this case. It is an easy mistake to make. The difference is subtle …

According to several sources: “When used as adjectives, inexplicable means impossible to explain, whereas unexplainable means that doesn’t have a known or readily available explanation.” The former suggests lack of logic and irrationality whereas the latter merely indicates ‘missing in action’.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 7:36 am

“Inexplicable?” Of course it’s explicable. The cause is just unknown. It can be reasonably explained once more is known.

Smart Rock
September 27, 2021 6:32 pm

These are people who really believe that the end justifies the means.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Smart Rock
September 27, 2021 7:47 pm

They believe they are combatting something far worse than a few people they take out with their fires.
Necessary casualties when fighting the greater evil.

Exactly how the bad man with the moustache energized all those regular Germans all those years ago.

Concept is identical
Many of the words and phrases are the same

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
September 27, 2021 9:23 pm

Didn’t Stalin have a moustache too?

When I run that through my Climate Scientology Model, it proves that moustaches make people evil. I can’t think of any other cause.

Mann has a moustache. The science is settled!

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 27, 2021 10:33 pm

You’re right, of course. When I regrew my moustache a few years ago I’ve felt my evil intent growing exponentially. I have an irrepressible urge to do serious harm to certain ideologues (that shall go unnamed).

MarkW
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 28, 2021 7:17 am

Does a full beard negate the moustache affect?

It’s well known that a goatee amplifies it.

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
September 28, 2021 11:02 am

It must do because, not satisfied by only a moustache, I let my beard take over my entire face. I can barely contain my evil tendencies now. I’ve been known to cast opprobrium at several true believers in a single day.

Rusty
Reply to  Smart Rock
September 28, 2021 3:05 am

But you don’t have any idea about these people. You are making judgements before all the facts are known based on your own prejudice and view point.

ResourceGuy
September 27, 2021 6:33 pm

Well, shaman climate modelers are top agenda scientists already.

Christopher Hanley
September 27, 2021 6:43 pm

It’s a ‘climate emergency’ consciousness-raising activity.

Stanny 1
September 27, 2021 6:45 pm

Usually, Pyroterrorists are Muslim. We are the Great Satan and they have a Fatwa to burn us. Plans for making remote-controlled incendiary devices are on the internet in Arabic. The U.S. Forest Service had a conference on Pyroterrorism. But it’s not PC to talk about it and CAL-FIRE and the MSM won’t touch it. Be interesting to see if they are Muslim but I doubt they would tell you.

HotScot
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 28, 2021 3:38 am

I do wish people would stop differentiating between the ‘good’ Muslim faith and evil ‘Islam’ by using the term Islamist.

Where is the apologetic term for Christians who go rogue. Muslims don’t coin a PC term for rogue Christians in order not to offend the majority of good Christians, they are just Christians. That also goes for Buddhists, Hidu’s, Sikhi’s and any other religion one cares to think of.

Rusty
Reply to  Stanny 1
September 28, 2021 3:07 am

Neither of the two are muslim. Secondly, could you address CommieBob, because he seems to think it’s non-believers who are setting fires and not those who believe in god, which would rule out muslims.

Ron Long
September 27, 2021 6:45 pm

Do you believe in coincidences? Both arsonists have New York and California connections.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
September 27, 2021 6:55 pm

Don’t let Greta near your forests.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
September 27, 2021 10:35 pm

No kidding … she could spontaneously combust at any moment, making her an extreme fire hazard.

Dennis
Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
September 28, 2021 2:38 am

But she can see CO2.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dennis
September 28, 2021 7:24 am

I saw a picture of Hillary Clinton yesterday accepting some honorary award from a university in Ireland, I believe, and she was wearing some kind of ceremonial coat that had a long train on it, and there was a young girl holding up the train, and she looked just like Greta Thunberg. It was uncanny.

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Alexander Mentes
September 27, 2021 7:03 pm

Apparently, this crazy lady has stated that the fire started when she was boiling bear urine that she planned to drink. I’d be curious as to how she collected the bear urine

Scissor
Reply to  Alexander Mentes
September 27, 2021 7:55 pm

The bear said, “Is that a lighter in your pocket or are you happy to see me?”

Mark Amey
Reply to  Scissor
September 27, 2021 9:03 pm

Surely she didn’t boil the urine in vivo?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Alexander Mentes
September 27, 2021 9:02 pm

She was writing a paper about bears shitting in the woods..or something.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Alexander Mentes
September 27, 2021 9:24 pm

You run up to a big ol’ bear and grab him by the snout
Be sure’n hold your mouth just right ’cause bears is really stout
Now reach around his withers then grip firmly on his shank
And do your best to aim it at your waste collectin’ tank

Look for the surest sign of all that indicates you’re winnin’
You’re on your way when that ol’ bear just up’n starts to grinnin’
It’s easy to out- grin a bear if you’ll just do your part
Be careful not to go too far or you might stop his heart

About this time he’ll lose control and really start to laugh
Shouldn’t be too hard to get your jar and fill it up to half
He’ll be sprayin’ ’round so much you’ll think you need a paddle
Screw down the lid if there’s enough and then ye’d best skedaddle

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alan Robertson
September 27, 2021 10:40 pm

Either that was a fortuitous find or we have one crazy talented poet (librettist) on hand.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 27, 2021 11:12 pm

Thank you for your kind words.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alexander Mentes
September 27, 2021 10:37 pm

Perhaps she was offering him a helping hand …

Rusty
Reply to  Alexander Mentes
September 28, 2021 3:07 am

She said she found a puddle of it.

Richard Page
Reply to  Rusty
September 28, 2021 2:43 pm

Given the number of fire fighters around where she was, I seriously doubt it was bear urine…..

Bill
Reply to  Alexander Mentes
September 28, 2021 3:59 pm

Asked nicely? 🙂

SMC
September 27, 2021 7:04 pm

Leftism, among other things, is a mental illness.

2hotel9
September 27, 2021 7:39 pm

Leftism has become a contagious mental disorder, time to have a nationwide vaccination program against it.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  2hotel9
September 27, 2021 10:44 pm

Do you have any appropriate suggestions as a choice in serums? I’m thinking a tincture of nux vomica administered IV would work wonders.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 28, 2021 7:34 am

A cure to much of this insanity would be for the leftwing media to start telling the truth, rather than spewing leftwing propaganda at every turn. We may be waiting a while for that to happen. In the meantime, we will tell the truth for them.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 28, 2021 11:08 am

If we took away the Left’s ability to “spew propaganda” the result would be just a whole lot of angry children making unreasonable demands.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  2hotel9
September 28, 2021 12:05 pm

No known cure, sadly….

2hotel9
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 29, 2021 3:36 am

Well, leftism is quite pernicious and difficult to treat. On the other hand the cure for arson is very simple and 100% effective and they never commit that crime again.

OK S.
September 27, 2021 7:45 pm

From KRCR:

FAWN FIRE: District Attorney provides details about woman arrested for arson

During questioning, Souverneva emptied her pockets of CO2 cartridges matching the ones found at the quarry, a functioning lighter and a white item containing a green leafy substance she admitted to smoking earlier in the day. 

Alexander says she described the white item as an “incendiary device” that she made by removing the battery. She told Alexander she had been hiking in the area that day and was told by people that she couldn’t be on the property. 

Alexander says Souverneva told him she continued hiking because she was trying to get to Canada. She said she was thirsty and had found a puddle in a dry creek bed but that it contained bear urine. She said she tried to filter the water using a tea bag but that didn’t work so she tried to start a fire to boil the water. She said it was too wet to start a fire so she drank the water and continued walking uphill. 

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  OK S.
September 27, 2021 9:29 pm

1. How would she know it was bear urine? Most urine seems similar to me.

2. Why would you try to filter urine? It’s still urine.

3. She drank it, knowing it was urine.

She is either very, very bad at Bovine Scatology, or certifiable. Or both.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 27, 2021 10:53 pm

She is either very, very bad at Bovine Scatology, or certifiable. Or both.

It’s the sort of wandering, semi lucid story one might expect from someone mentally unbalanced. The weird details they add is expected to add verisimilitude … so verdict is ‘certifiable’.

HotScot
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 28, 2021 3:45 am

I have witnessed Juries accepting wilder stories than that.

Quite why we continue the quaint practice of having people judged by their peers is quite beyond me.

It’s equivalent to scientific studies peer reviewed by primary school children.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 10:33 am

Quite why we continue the quaint practice of having people judged by their peers is quite beyond me.

Well, that’s where the confusion comes in. The jury has no part in “judging” the accused (defendant). That is the judge’s purpose. The jury is empaneled to assess the evidence and find a verdict. The accused has a choice of a jury trial or not. It always depends on the evidence, both inculpatory and exculpatory.

Juries shift the balance to the accused, which it should, because the accused enjoys the benefit of the presumption of innocence. The burden of proof must be beyond any reasonable doubt.

Rusty
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 3:09 am

She’s obviously not mentally well.

HotScot
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 3:41 am

Most urine seems similar to me.”

That’s worrying………

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 8:00 am

How would she know it was bear urine?
If it has a whiff of asparagus and arugula, it’s from another hiker.
If it smells of asparagus and arugula and bear spray, it’s from a bear.

HiFast
September 27, 2021 7:52 pm

Three arrests in September:
1. Alexandra Andreevna Souverneva, 30, of Palo Alto was arrested by a CHP officer Sept. 2 on Interstate 5 near Corning and booked into the Tehama County Jail on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs and obstruct/resist arrest.
2. Douglas County, Oregon: Name: ALEXANDRA ANDREEVNA SOUVERNEVA Booking Date: 9/12/2021 Release or Transfer Date: 9/13/2021 11:20:44 AM Approximate Stay: 1 day. Age: 30. Sex: Female. Charges: Criminal Trespass in the Second Degree.
3. 22 Sep in Shasta County, CA for arson per this post.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  HiFast
September 27, 2021 9:30 pm

So (3) was under the influence of bear urine..

September 27, 2021 7:54 pm

Alexandra Souverneva and Professor Gary Maynard are obviously keen Warmistas who believe in Self-Help ‘Global Warming’.

John F Hultquist
September 27, 2021 8:07 pm

Last month California Professor Gary Maynard “

Knock it off! This dolt was not a “professor”.
He was a contract hire because the school had staffing problems.
Learn what it means to be a CAP-P Professor in a US university.

Likewise, the woman is a shaman, and sometimes tutor – – not a
player in the education structure.
It is unbecoming to mis-lead.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 27, 2021 10:02 pm

Eric,
Having grown up in the Palo Alto area, I met many, seemingly intelligent people like this. In fact, there were thousands of them partying with me at the Altamont Rock Festival, as best I remember!
How sad for Alexandra and Gary, that they had to act on their own and missed their chance to be part of something bigger; like the Manson Family! Helter Skelter!

HotScot
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 28, 2021 3:47 am

University qualifications are no indicator of intelligent life either.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  John F Hultquist
September 27, 2021 9:31 pm

Nick? Is that you…?

Peta of Newark
September 27, 2021 8:10 pm

Is what’s called ‘Self Fulfilling Prophecies

and only the folks dumb enough to make the prophecies (climate scientists and their handlers ##) are the ones dumb enough to be surprised

where the word ‘dumb‘ appears up there, substitute ‘selfish’ or ‘greedy’ – does it read different or make any less sense
are we dealing with real surprise or fake surprise but there’s nothing fake about the selfishness

## Who is handling who – are scientists handling the politicians – or the politicians handling the science?

How many alert & enquiring minds see a positive feedback loop – one where the ‘loop gain’ is supplied by the MSM

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Mike Dubrasich
September 27, 2021 8:16 pm

FYI, the Dixie Fire is now 963,276 acres (1,505 sq miles) and is 94% contained. It is the 2nd largest fire in CA history (the August Complex in 2020 was 1,032,648 acres). Whereas the latter burned mostly brushlands, the Dixie Fire burned mature mixed conifer forest. Maynard is suspected of setting at least 3 or 4 fires, apparently trying to trap firefighters in between those and the Dixie Fire. That’s attempted mass homicide.

Souverneva is suspected of igniting the Fawn Fire, now 8,577 acres and 60% contained. To date the Fawn Fire has destroyed 144 residential and commercial structures and damaged 22.

Eco-terrorism is no joke. It’s not a milder form of terrorism; it’s the real thing.

I await some word from Academia. Their response to other issues has been vociferous. Will they be silent in regard to eco-terrorism, or do they have something to say?

stinkerp
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
September 27, 2021 9:55 pm

We have no idea if this was ecoterrorism or just pyromania. She sounds like a mentally disturbed woman.

G Mawer
Reply to  stinkerp
September 27, 2021 10:39 pm

Anyone who starts a wild land fire is mentally disturbed, for what ever reason.

Bryan A
Reply to  G Mawer
September 28, 2021 5:49 am

It’s a way to add fuel to the fire of the “Increased destruction due to #Climate Change” narrative though. Every good anarchist should know this

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  stinkerp
September 27, 2021 11:19 pm

I don’t buy “mental illness” as an excuse for either perp. That’s like excusing Traitor Joe’s sedition as simple senility. The fact is Academia and the Administration today are made up of radical leftwing ideologues who commit horrendous crimes against America every day in every way. The megafires are all arson, IMHO, by deliberate negligence with malice aforethought, politically stoked by “woke” agencies and institutions.

whiten
Reply to  stinkerp
September 27, 2021 11:40 pm

Not all mentally disturbed are terrorist….
but all terrorists are mentally disturbed.

cheers

HotScot
Reply to  stinkerp
September 28, 2021 3:54 am

The Law is much like science. One proposes a hypothesis which remains as such until the judicial system can demonstrate it false.

It sounds a bit like guilty until proven innocent, which is why people are slung in jail and not offered bail.

The hypothesis is sound until proven otherwise.

Alan the Brit
September 27, 2021 8:36 pm

I have said this before, but were not the fires in Greece a few years back when it was pasted all over the news that said fires could be seen from outer space, or something like that!!! With the powerful cameras onboard satellites I doubt that there is nothing that cannot be seen from space, I believe those fires were also started deliberately!!! The overwhelming desire to prove manmade global warming is bound to encourage such actions by the extremists & the mentally disturbed!!!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 28, 2021 8:51 am

Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek Finance Minister recently wrote an article in the Guardian about this years fires in Greece giving some background.

He notes that in 1998 the “bush firefighting unit was was folded into the urban fire brigade. The resulting economies of scale came at a cost: the end of the large scale forest clearing effort the bush firefighting unit undertook every winter and spring.”

He also says the austerity measures the EU forced Greece to go through earlier this century played a part as did the policies of previous Greek Governments

‘Our wildfires were sparked by 30 years of political failure’ Guardian 30th Aug 2021.

No mention of arson but it does seem that every fire season is accompanied by at least some scale of arson in all Countries.

Richard Page
Reply to  Dave Andrews
September 28, 2021 2:49 pm

There were several arrests made this year in Greece in connection with alleged arson. No idea of the outcomes though.

Richard Page
Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 28, 2021 3:02 pm

This year there have been a number of arrests across Greece and the Balkan region for arson and starting wildfires.
Greece – 3-5
Albania – 15-20
Kosovo – 20-40 with about another 20 suspected.
Turkey – 4+
North Macedonia – 14-15
Bulgaria – 1+

c b
September 27, 2021 8:41 pm

Working on advanced degrees as Global Warming Assistant.

Serge Wright
September 27, 2021 9:41 pm

Left wing fascist ideologues not only hate their country, flag, anthem, and history, now they seek to burn it down. The only solution is to send a very strong message via very long prison sentences

HotScot
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 28, 2021 3:56 am

I could think of several more appropriate punishments for attempted murder.

Richard Page
Reply to  HotScot
September 28, 2021 2:49 pm

Harvesting Bear urine?

Abolition Man
September 27, 2021 10:18 pm

Eric,
Where is the line between intelligence and insanity? Both of these individuals seem eminently well educated, but their actions seem to be from the other side of the Great Divide! The amount of hysteria and learned insanity in our schools seems to be rising faster than a climate modeler’s alarmist sea level fantasies!
If humanity survives the attempted subjugation of freedom and truth being pushed on us currently, scholars will look back and laugh about the quaint little delusions of the American and European witch hunts when compared to the monstrosities of the CAGW nightmare!

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Abolition Man
September 27, 2021 11:38 pm

Where is the line between intelligence and insanity? Both of these individuals seem eminently well educated, but their actions seem to be from the other side of the Great Divide!

I believe that you are conflating intelligence and education. There is the obvious ‘Intellectual Yet Idiot’ explanation.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 28, 2021 12:05 am

ZZW,
Don’t want to quibble, because I agree that education and intelligence are not the same; but she graduated from Cal Tech! It used to be that just getting accepted there required an extremely high intelligence level!
I think that it is highly likely that she has been conducting single subject drug experiments, but perhaps it is some other form of self induced insanity! Calizuela certainly seems to have become the leader in brainwashing and indoctrination!
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, at least in my experience!

Bryan A
Reply to  Abolition Man
September 28, 2021 5:55 am

They could be considered victims of the CACA narrative being thrust down their throats from a young impressionable age and all through their formative years

HotScot
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 28, 2021 4:03 am

As explained above. The Law is a bit like science in that a hypothesis is proposed and remains true until falsified by a court.

That’s the foundation of incarceration without bail. There is little or no evidence at hand to believe someone might be innocent of an offence.

Believe it or not, the job of the judicial system is to find sufficient evidence to prove people innocent, as it is to prove people guilty.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 28, 2021 8:38 am

Eric,
They may be watching the onset of global cooling from a snug, warm prison cell! That should be enough to encourage a little soul searching, but they’re more likely to futilely search the Internet instead!

philincalifornia
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 28, 2021 8:51 am

I probably read it on a fake news channel, but I think these two and the bikini lady all confessed at the scene. I also read they were denied bail.

Craig from Oz
September 27, 2021 11:43 pm

Shaman??

Sorry, but that is offensive. I think you will find the correct term is ShaPerson.

Probably… 🙂

IanE
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 28, 2021 1:39 am

Nope: that should be “ShaPerOffspring”!

Abolition Man
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 28, 2021 8:07 am

I think she now identifies as Sha-Na-Na. It’s a fluid situation, like the bear urine!

griff
September 28, 2021 12:54 am

So why is this piece related to climate?

It looks to me like an attempt to say ‘academics’ i.e. liberals start fires and there is no influence from drought, weather, etc

If frankly looks like an attempt to suggest fire starting IS a conspiracy.

at least one of the accused presents as a rather sad confused figure

‘A California “shaman” charged with starting a wildfire that is threatening thousands of homes claimed it started by accident — while she was boiling bear urine to drink, according to local reports.’

Bryan A
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 28, 2021 6:08 am

So why is this piece related to climate?
Quantity and size of forest fires is one measurement utilized to depict enhanced global CC

It looks to me like an attempt to say ‘academics’ i.e. liberals start fires and there is no influence from drought, weather, etc
Not so weedhopper, the drought has acted to increase fuel load but it still took the Liberal Academics to ignite them

If frankly looks like an attempt to suggest fire starting IS a conspiracy.
Sounds like you are trying to give the Arson Aspect a white wash and a hand wave (pay no attention to the arsonist behind the smoke curtain)

at least one of the accused presents as a rather sad confused figure
Both appear COLD and calculated

‘A California “shaman” charged with starting a wildfire that is threatening thousands of homes claimed it started by accident — while she was boiling bear urine to drink, according to local reports.
I want to know how she trained the bear to urinate into a collection bucket
Sounds like nothing more than an excuse to start “Climate related fires” on her part and one that Griff is willing to defend

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HotScot
Reply to  griff
September 28, 2021 4:08 am

You understand the Law about as well as you understand the climate.

Somehow, climate sceptics are branded as conspiracy theorists by left wing nutters like you, despite overwhelming scientific evidence.

But of course there’s no conspiracy amongst climate alarmists, despite climategate.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  griff
September 28, 2021 5:31 am

” At least one of the accused presents as a rather sad confused figure “…. Like someone you may know intimately griff [ alias Todd Huffman ? ] …..Your straw man arguments are laughably ridiculous …At no point did Eric contend or ” suggest fire starting is a conspiracy ” …. Nor did he infer that ” academics .. liberals start fires and there is no influence from drought , weather “…These interpretations are figments of your confused warped perception

Abolition Man
Reply to  griff
September 28, 2021 8:30 am

Yes, griffter!
One is a rather sad, pathetic figure; who seems to be confused by drugs or some other mental issue. Does that remind you of anyone?
They both are rather deeply involved in current environmental studies; Maynard focuses on “environmental sociology” in his teaching and research, while Souverneva was a PhD student at SUNY’s College of Environmental Sciences an Forestry. Maybe she was doing a summer research project!
When you can finally admit that your fellow co-religionists are often causing serious damage to Nature and the environment, you will have made a giant step on the road back to reality!

Robert of Ottawa
September 28, 2021 1:56 am

We must destroy the environment to save it.

Charlie
September 28, 2021 3:46 am

Interesting that both parties were caught in possession of weed and both displayed symptoms of mental illness. Maynard’s erratic behaviour had been reported to police before the arson spree. Judging from the application for arrest and search warrants, Maynard’s lawyer will have a job on his hands. I’m seeing a guilty with diminished capacity plea somewhere down the line.

maynard-complaint-and-affidavit-1628654056.pdf (htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com)

Ed Zuiderwijk
September 28, 2021 4:32 am

She decided to become a full time shaman. Whether she is an arsonist or not I don’t know, but I do know with great clarity that she is stark raving bonkers.

Danley Wolfe
September 28, 2021 5:42 am

Agree with Stinkerp comments. How are you going to prove Alexandra Souverneva started the forest fire… a “lighter” in her pocket ? How about accelerant, witnesses, is she a smoker? Gary Maynard is worth investigating and they need to find better proof … correlation of location is not in itself proof… but investigators might find more evidence with court orders to search his home, history online etc. now that he is under arrest.

TheLastDemocrat
September 28, 2021 6:19 am

These “academics,” and many others, believe their job, as an “academic,” is to correct and improve society. Starting fires is just giving History a helping hand toward Utopia.

Karl Marx said: “The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.”

Marx, building on the thinking of Hegel, saw two things in history. First, that you could boil everything down to conflicts between oppressors and the oppressed. Second, that “history” is not so much understanding how various infliuences might have led us to where we are now, but that “history” has a Big Picture: as these oppressor/oppressed situations resolve, often in violence, History is moving toward a more peaceful, productive, stable, fair situation.

Like an earthquake relieves the pressure at a fault line, each revolution, whether small or large, relieves the pressure and moves us to a better status quo. [This is the Hegelian Dialectic applied to explain history, including battles, war, and any oppressions.]

Having decided that this is what history has been telling us, Marx imagined a roadmap to a worldly utopia. To overcome the prevailing oppression model in play – capitalism – and move to Communism, and eventually to a post-Communism stage where conflicts and oppression have further resolved to where there is no longer a need for government to enforce fairness and peace.

Marxists thought The Great War would reveal all of the oppressions of Capitalism to the Workers of the World, and the theoretically predicted Workers Revolution would spontaneously occur. It did not. Big Fail.

So, the Marxists went back to the drawing board. They decided that the control that Capitalism had over society was more than economic. That all of us oppressed everyday people were not only economically oppressed, but had been oppressed basically by brain-washing. Religion, belief in “Protestant Work Ethic,” in being chaste, and so on, were social values created by the oppressors and sold to the oppressed in order to have the oppressed believe in, and so sustain, the status quo.

In short, the oppression was not just economic, but was cultural.

In short, the Enemy was redefined to be: Our Prevailing Society.

And, per the Marx quote about “change” the world, the emphasis was to illuminate and change these myriad oppressions.

Thus was formed the “Frankfurt School.” Marxists setting out to not only knock over the prevailing Economic stranglehold, but the cultural stranglehold – the “Cultural Hegemony.”

One of the intellectuals/academics associated with the Frankfurt School was Kurt Lewin. He is identified sometimes as a psychologist, and sometimes as a sociologist. Either way. Among other innovative thoughts was his creation and promotion of “Action Research.”

There are good Wikipedia entries on Marx, on The Frankfurt School, on Kurt Lewin, and on “Action Research.”

Essentially, Action Research follows the Marx quote above. So, a grad student in Environmental Chemistry, or whatever, is not merely determined to learn about the environrment and chemistry, but to Fight Oppression. This is her Job as an Academic.

She and others are starting fires to make the rest of us wake up to our oppression by Big Oil, etc., as they deny Global Warming, and keep us proletariat addicted to our cars. History needs a helping hand, a little nudge from the Enlightened, the Academic Intellectuals.

This post is kind of long, but I hope it helps some see that this fire-setting is part and parcel of being an academic, when you are under the Action Research philosophy.

I myself have been taught this in my scholarly education. This principle is also now BUILT IN to the principles and codes of conduct of many professions. Journalism, Medicine, Social Work, etc. It may nor be built into your profession’s Codes and Principles. Wherever there is the admonition to fight and advocate for change, etc.

Most of us are “progressives,” in the old-fashioned sense of the word. We believe we humans can keep learning, and taking our knowledge and applying it to make a better life for our fellow man. A great example is the Fire Extinguisher. Over the recent 100 years, the chemical combinations used to have these handy fire-fighting tools have advanced to be more effective, less dangerous, and more affordable. But we are missing one concept that Marxist-based progressives have.

The “progressives” nowadays have been brought up under the concept that Our Prevailing Society needs to be changed. To be destroyed. To be superceded. For them, progress is if we are moving along Marx’s progress of history, overthrowing Capitalism to move to Communism, then to move to a day of N- More-Government Utopia.

I encourage WUWT readers to review these Wikipedia entries, and carry this history lesson with you as you encounter Journalists not merely reporting The News but Playing Politics, grad students setting forest fires to push us all to believe in the panic of Global Warming, etc.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
September 29, 2021 11:31 am

related: school teachers are getting upset because they cannot have Black Lives Matter posters and such in their classrooms.

There are a good portion of teachers who believe it is their duty and mission not to teach our kids to read and write and think, but to have the RightThink. To see all of the oppression from The Man.

To be driven to hate our Prevailing Cultural Hegemony.

This is an extension of the “Action Research” idea.

ResourceGuy
September 28, 2021 6:38 am

CO2 made them do it and a climate psychologist can confirm that……for a fee.

Jeffery P
September 28, 2021 7:26 am

If climate change makes forest fires more common, more intense and more deadly, why do the activists need to start fires? If what they believe is true, these fires should be starting naturally.

September 28, 2021 7:54 am

Progressives and mental illness go to together like a chicken and the egg. It’s not clear which precedes the other.

Olen
September 28, 2021 8:18 am

How is someone viewed as acting strangely in this day and age. And the stated was charging and fining power companies with starting fires.

The new norm is if the state wants something they regulate the crap out of it until it’s gone.

ResourceGuy
September 28, 2021 9:15 am

CO2 is also causing the highest annual increase in homicides in the U.S. since records have been kept. There is correlation with CO2 levels and climate change hysteria. /sarc

ResourceGuy
September 28, 2021 9:21 am

What house district is she going to run for?

ResourceGuy
September 28, 2021 9:22 am

Does she have any bartending experience to run as a member of the squad in Congress?

Mike Dubrasich
September 28, 2021 9:27 am

Some of the comments above are filled with compassion for the criminally insane. So instead of bonfiring the perps in the college quad, do you bleeding hearts suggest counseling?

Speaking of compassion, I search this thread/site in vain for any expression of sorrow or loss for a million acres of priceless heritage forest catastrophically destroyed by holocaust. Perhaps that loss is simply too great for words?

Eco loons in Academia bear some responsibility, if not for the arsons then at least for the eulogy. If the massive destruction of Nature doesn’t merit a peep from those folks, then perhaps they should be chucked in the bonfire, too.

Anthony
September 28, 2021 9:54 am

There is madness in those eyes…

Robert of Texas
September 28, 2021 11:24 am

There is a thin line between fanatical belief and destructive behavior.

Michael in Dublin
September 28, 2021 12:44 pm

A fit punishment would be to block them from ever returning to academia and have the man become a garbage collector and the woman a cleaner.

c b
September 28, 2021 1:06 pm
Ragnaar
September 28, 2021 1:13 pm

Are these set fires helping the forests? I think so. They’ll be new growth. And forest ranger types are all ready planning for the new growth. The brush that some want to get rid of, is gone. Who wanted to pay to get rid of the brush, and who wanted wanted to fight the Greens in court over being able to get rid of the brush? There’s some yin and yang going on here.

mark
September 28, 2021 1:33 pm

This and the article on the eco-terrorism are somewhat related !

Glen
September 28, 2021 2:19 pm

I’m surprise they didn’t get an invite for dinner to the govenors mansion. I’ll be surprised again if she doesn’t get off will all charges dropped.

ResourceGuy
September 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Jyrkoff
September 29, 2021 7:41 am

You know, back when all those “space laser” stories were passed around, I had to keep pointing out that there are far cheaper and easier ways to start wildfires than building a space-based laser platform.

Just a few patsies running around with a Bic can do everything you need. My hypothetical was a road flare tossed from a moving car. I say it’s safe to assume that there are a large number of ways an arsonist could spark a fire in the woods and not be caught.

Space lasers? No, it was actually, as some of us correctly hypothesized, simply people touching off dry tinder in the woods with a lighter.

kramer
September 29, 2021 4:49 pm

I won’t be surprised someday if I read that they purposely set those fires in order to push climate change policies.

I bet this is quite common.

billtoo
September 30, 2021 11:40 am

“Later in the day, authorities believe that the same woman, 30-year-old Palo Alto resident Alexandra Souverneva, emerged from the brush near the fire line and approached fire crews for help. “

yeah, i wish our fire department had that kind of response time.

Walter Sobchak
September 30, 2021 2:38 pm

I wonder if she dances around the fire naked?