Date: 18/09/21
GWPF & The Times
As energy prices in Europe go through the roof, factories are beginning to shut down and food is disappearing from the shelves. Welcome to green Britain, offering a foretaste of what life will be like under Net Zero conditions – poorer, colder, hungrier – unless Government changes course.
Acute food shortages were feared last night after high gas prices forced most of Britain’s commercial production of carbon dioxide to shut down.
Emergency talks were being held between government officials and food producers, retailers and the energy industry with warnings of a “black swan event”, an extremely rare blow with unpredictable consequences.
The closure of two fertiliser plants in northern England and others in Europe has left the food and drink industry facing a shortage of carbon dioxide, which is a byproduct of fertiliser manufacturing. The gas is critical to the production and transport of a range of products, from meat to bread, beer and fizzy drinks.
The meat industry estimates that businesses can carry on for less than two weeks before carbon dioxide stocks run out….
“…. facing a shortage of carbon dioxide, which is a byproduct of fertiliser manufacturing. The gas is critical to the production and transport of a range of products, from meat to _bread_,…”
In case you need CO2 for making bread you are already doomed.
I wondered about that, myself, since yeast is generally needed for making bread (unless you want unleavened bread). Even so, you can make your own dough riser by setting aside a clump of bread dough and letting it sit for several days, but that’s just skimming over how it’s really done. It’s how sourdough bread is produced.
Saying “it’s lack of CO2′ still doesn’t excuse that inept phrase, which is misleading about how CO2 relates to making bread.
Interconnects will not save you from a power crisis on the continent.
The globalists aim is being fulfilled.
griff will be along shortly to deny reality once again…
GB will be the crash test dummy for green policies. And this is what you get, shortages.
The price of natural gas has shut down the factories – not anything to do with renewable energy.
This might be in the top 5 dumbest things you have ever posted here, there’s just so many its hard to pick.
But really, why do you think it is so expensive??!!
Are you so ignorant that you do not know about supply and demand. Do you think demand for gas may be increasing because of renewable energy failures? What do you think that increased demand will cause?
Griff the UK is going net zero by LAW, so you better work out how to solve the problem with renewables … UK the gift that keeps on giving ATM 🙂
Dumb comment beyond belief there Griffter.
It’s Green policies. The same policies that drive the over installation of unreliable wind turbine electricity with subsidies have produced the effect of soaring natural gas prices. When the resources that should have gone to building reliable electricity sources are instead wasted on unreliable sources, bad consequences will happen from those poor choices.
Basic economics are always at work. Prices are a reflection of shortages relative to demand. The shortage of natural gas is directly the result of ignorant energy policies, not just in the UK but across the EU as well.
Germany becoming dependent on the Kremlin for keeping Germans out of the dark and cold will have predictable outcomes as well.
UK becoming dependent on unreliable wind power is now having predictable consequences as well.
The Pompeo Mafia offer of US LNG at 4 times Russian prices, with a 1 billion euro bribe for a Bremen loader, is ‘basic economics’? For a Chicago Al Capone maybe, but hey, they got him on tax evasion.
NordStream2 will have predictable warm results this cold winter, no matter how Biden’s Zelenski prances and parades – he is all used up.
Beware of the Rus bearing gifts.
If you believe there is not a hidden huge cost for Germans becoming reliant on the Kremlin’s good will for its heat and electricity, then you also will believe in unicorn power and fairy dust solutions to difficult energy problems.
That cost to Germans for cheap Russian gas today will be paid for with their freedoms and economic prosperity within the next decade. Depending on good will from the Kremlin is bargain only a fool makes.
Even the Soviet always delivered on time and price during the entire Cold War. Looks they are a good business partner, unlike Biden’s AUKUSA – ask France about that $60 billion!
Sooner or later the ‘russia’ narrative falls on it’s nose like the Afghan Saigon 2 fiasco.
Now roll back the Patriot Act and tell us about ‘freedoms’ – this is becoming hilarious!
Good comment.
It had every thing to do with RE no wind across Europe and the UK switching to gas caused a shortage so the price went up, little in reserve capacity too.
Come on griff ffs you do know this.
I look at my gas bill (furnace isn’t turned on yet) and it’s pretty rreasonable, so please explain your concept of the “price of natural gas”.
And why is there a natural gas shortage?
Griff the system is about to collapse because because of idiots like you
People will starve and freeze there will be blood in the streets thanks to green idiots
Most factories use gas for heat, electricity for everything else.
Do you really believe they are shutting down factories because water in the bathrooms is cold?
Why are the shelves empty?
The political parties can make unpopular moves because there is no penalty for abuse of the population.
It’s like wrestling, the back and forth of opponents in a show but the outcome is rehearsed.
Serves. Them. Right. Every. Last. One. (When it happens here, I deserve it too.)
This has been so dangerous and deranged from the very start.
Just wondering about something: is the UK planning on going back to the pre-industrial era, when people cooked and baked in the fireplace, and most homes had ONLY one fireplace to heat the entire hovel?
Will we be seeing an uptick in parlor stoves to heat homes, perhaps? That’s basically a metal wood or coal burner with the exhaust to the outside of the house.
Just askin’, because while I like Regency-period novels, I have no desire to live like that, and if I have to make any changes to just stay warm and cook here in the good ol’ USofA, I’d like an advance warning. I won’t be a bit surprised if some idjit in Congress starts the ball rolling on that kind of thing, either.
I think all the cities require “smokeless” fuel for fire places. Is that not mostly wax? a petroleum product.
We have building codes about fireplace usage now that are meant to prevent sparks from flying out the chimney (fire hazard, very real) and keep the birds out of the chimneys, too. (Yes, they are that dumb.) So “smokeless” would be natural gas but there is no hindrance (so far) on woodburning as long as the chimney is constructed to prevent sparks from exiting.
Open fire places are banned from use in England, soon to follow in Wales, woodburners will be servery restricted in type of fuel , eg coal is banned in England for domestic use, soon to follow in Wales, new woodburners will have to comply with clean air act. small amounts of wood you can’t buy, only a large load which is anothrcynical ploy.
The U.K. always has the option of building new coal power plants…they will be in good company with most of the rest of the world, have a local supply of fuel, and have reliable energy for its factories.
One of the largest [potential] sources of Carbon dioxide is the acidulation of phosphate rock during the production of Phosphoric acid for fertilizer. (Raw phosphate rock is a Carbonate.)
After the simple removal of a little fluoride gases, the CO2 can be re-washed, compressed and condensed. Very cheap,
(But with less CO2 going into the atmosphere, crop production will go down, so more ferilizer may be needed…)
A few observations
1) The U.K. has no phosphate deposits.
2) While phosphate ore has carbonate (CaCO) in it; the active component is Ca3(PO4)2. Producers try to minimize CaO/P2O5 ratios in the ores they use to minimize the need for sulfuric acid consumption and lower their gas emissions. The ore contains is 2-4 percent fluorine
2) The specific fluorides in the off gas are toxins that not to be taken lightly and are not that easily removed from a phosphoric plant’s off gas . Specifically hydrofluoric acid (HF) and silicon tetrafluoride (SiF4) in addition you occasionally get heavy metals (e.g. Cd, Hg, Pb) carry over in the form of particulate emissions. So, not the kind of “cocktail” you want as feedstock to food grade production.
And 3) While the U.S. does have phosphate deposits in Florida; the bulk of it’s ammonia production facilities are much closer to the Mississippi delta barging and pipeline systems. This makes the movement of ammonia, urea, and carbon dioxide much cheaper than can be achieved from Florida.
Food, glorious food is something to sing about.
Things are getting serious when the carbonated soft drinks are being put at risk.
Green Britain faces food shortages as energy crisis shuts down factories
https://youtu.be/gF9awH43X4E
Compare food shortages with the ones predicted by Paul Erlich vs the food shortages cause by Paul Erlich’s solutions
Estimated time for using the sub station for power from France is Mar 2022. As for the “Gas” shortage. Higher use last winter and spring, (CC?), increased demand from Asia. Russia will dictate policy and price for EU when the pipeline is open.https://electroverse.net/uk-fires-up-coal-power-plant-as-european-gas-shortage-worsens/. Gas prices for Griff from a while ago.https://electroverse.net/natural-gas-prices-skyrocket-globally-due-to-historically-cold-2021-and-failing-renewables/
As per the National Grid. https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/national-grid
Manifest propaganda.
You can’t make this crap up. Woe
Well, the obesity problem in Britain is almost as bad as the US, so I guess this is a win-win.😃
Now it is an emergency, caused by ………
GWPF and the Times must have strange information sources.
Here in Europe, we all know that MOST (!!) of UK problems concerning industry and retail trade are due to… BREXIT!
Exactly – loss of Empire rage and revenge from continental Europe. In their (your) eyes we Brits are the new Jews. So go ahead – blame the victim.
Look ma, no brains!!! Play stupid games- win stupid prizes. This is where the poor and vulnerable pay the price for liberals idiocy, here’s hoping they don’t starve to many. God have mercy.
“with warnings of a “black swan event”, an extremely rare blow with unpredictable consequences.”
Have to disagree on that one. Hardly a ‘black swan event’, it has taken decades to get to this point. Both predicted and predictable.
The peasants shouldn’t be allowed comforts. It gives them notions above their station.
The Guardian weighs in with the energy price crisis-
The Guardian view on an energy price shock: a crisis in the making (msn.com)
The UK needs more renewables and more public servants to fix this.