Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Following on from his “last chance” warnings in 2015, another 2015 and 2020, Michael Mann wants us to understand that COP26 really is our last chance to address the climate crisis.
World’s climate scientists to issue stark warning over global heating threat
IPCC’s landmark report will be most comprehensive assessment yet as governments prepare for pivotal UN talks in November
Fiona Harvey Environment correspondent
Mon 9 Aug 2021 03.00 AESTThe fires, floods and extreme weather seen around the world in recent months are just a foretaste of what can be expected if global heating takes hold, scientists say, as the world’s leading authority on climate change prepares to warn of an imminent and dire risk to the global climate system.
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Michael Mann, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at Pennsylvania State University, said this would be the last IPCC assessment that can make a real difference in policy terms, before we exceed 1.5C and the ambitions of the Paris agreement.
“Climate change is now causing amplified weather extremes of the sort we’ve been witnessing this summer – droughts, heatwaves, wildfires, floods, superstorms,” he said. “The impacts of climate change are no longer subtle. We see them playing out in real time in the form of these unprecedented extreme weather disasters.”
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/08/worlds-climate-scientists-to-issue-stark-warning-over-global-heating-threat
This is a followup to Michael Mann’s last chance warning in 2015;
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klimaretter.info: Professor Mann, a new climate agreement is to be concluded in Paris in December . Isn’t it already too late for that? Is it still physically possible to limit global warming to a maximum of two degrees Celsius?
Michael Mann: Yes, of course! Admittedly, Paris is probably the last chance to get the necessary emissions reductions off the ground – if we had started 15 years ago, the necessary change in the energy system could have been more gentle. The earth has warmed up by around one degree since the beginning of industrialization, another half a degree is already safe. So it is clear that there is little room for maneuver.
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Read more (German): http://www.klimaretter.info/forschung/hintergrund/19986-qparis-ist-die-wahrscheinlich-letzte-chanceq
Mann’s warning about the 2016 election;
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“This will be a make-or-break presidency as far as our ability to avert a climate change catastrophe,” says Michael Mann, meteorology professor and director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University, whose “hockey-stick” shaped graph warned of sharply rising emissions and temperatures.
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Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/14/the-2016-election-is-critical-for-stopping-climate-change
I wonder if Mann will get to issue the COP27 climate last chance warning? He seems to enjoy it.
I really hope that this is the last ‘last chance’ warning we get
I’ve been getting a last chance to buy an extended warranty for my car every day for the last 3 years.
There you are, MarkW.
I have been trying to contact you about your car’s extended warranty.
I have a great offer for you.
Only everyday? Some days I get near hourly reminders.
Glad to know I am not the only one getting these phone calls.
I get offers for personal household roof-mounted wind turbines and solar panels, from some guy named Jason. I keep telling him to go pound a telephone pole into the nearest swamp.
Me, too, and I don’t even have a car any more! 🙂
I’ve tried blocking the calls, but these guys must have hundreds of numbers in reserve. I gave up after blocking about a dozen numbers.
I frequently get them for my 2000 GMC Sierra.
Talk about never getting off some mailer’s lists.
No chance of that happening…
Zig Zag, I did my Geology Masters Thesis in the Seven Devils Mountains of Idaho. The name came from an Indigenous story about a boy sent into the mountains to tend a flock of sheep. He came running down the mountain with a wild story about a devil. They sent him back up, he came running down again with another story about a fearsome devil. Finally, the seventh time he came running down they said you are lying and we don’t want to hear it again. Looks like Mikey Mann is only up to three devils, we should expect another four.
Mann is thinking he is the boy crying “Wolf!”
‘Mann is thinking…’
Are you sure?
“Mann is thinking”
That’ll be a first.
Probably thinking about his next public appearance paycheck…. 😉
If so he might want to think about confessing his offence and ceasing immediately. It basically guarantees that if he ever discovered something truly dangerous no one would listen.
Who would’ve imagined that mann was in Idaho’s Seven Devils Mountains scaring some boy tending sheep?
Seven times in Idaho and three times in Pennsylvania, that devil mann.
It’s a
newgoldenage“last chance”, you see. Agoldenageof prosperity“last chance” warning. I must say, I still get very excited about it all. I know we have them rather often now, but that’s because of theCaptain’sMann’s great goodness, you see.With all due apologies to Doctor Who and the Pirate Planet and Douglas Adams
Mr. Fibuli!?
‘Mr. Fibuli. Mr. Fibuli! By all the x-ray storms of Vega, where is that nincompoop?’
How many “last Chances” have we had over the past 30 years? It must be in the hundreds by now.
and without counting countless tipping points…
I encountered a tipping point recently, but in my defense, it really was a small seat on top of that barstool. Really, it was.
Some of them are more slipperier than others.
I had a personal tipping point, when I realized that there was not nearly enough butter on my freshly popped popcorn (popped with GAS, MIKEY!!!) and I didn’t have nearly enough soda in the house, either.
The horror!!!!
Tipping a glass to the end of days was ya?
Doesn’t matter about anymore tipping points and last chances as we were all doomed in 2000 for worrying about Y2K instead-
Is a 1989 ‘U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked’ Article Authentic? – Truth or Fiction?
There’s no degrees of dooming. You just is doomed or you aint and the UN science is clear and settled on that score.
If you’re feeling doomed, learn how to make your own bread and butter and cheese, and cure a ham or two. Cornbread is good, too. You’ll be fine.
No. Really. This is our last chance. Until the next Chance. Which will make it the last chance. Its like a game played with words and Mann thinks he is good at it.
If you want to tell a lie you need to rehearse it well. I’m not saying that these people are intentionally telling untruths, they just have a minor difficulty with truth since since it doesn’t pay as well.
I have no problem saying these people are intentionally telling untruths.
The real science has shown for 20 years that there is not a single fact that supports the preposterous idea that human CO2 emission cause “climate change.”
Since they cannot not know that they must therefore be intentionally telling untruths.
I don’t understand the collusion of the American Physical Society.
It has something to do with human psychology, Pat.
It’s not about science, as we know. If it were about science, they wouldn’t be colluding with the alarmists, they would be criticizing them, as we do.
The politicians who run the society want remain popular with the in crowd, so they made those statements without ever consulting with the members of the society.
I believe they have purchased two consonants and two vowels. Soon they will reveal themselves as the American Metaphysical Society.
“The real science has shown for 20 years that there is not a single fact that supports the preposterous idea that human CO2 emission cause “climate change.”
There it is! Not a single fact.
There’s not a single paper anywhere that shows a warm, fertile planet is worse than a cold, frozen, icebound planet with ice sheets thicker than Greenland’s blanket.
Except the wolf never comes.
This topic reminds me of the saying: “Often wrong, but never in doubt.”
But regarding the past ~30 years of predicted climate catastrophies are concerned we should alter it to “Always wrong, …”.
When the new SPM comes out I expect more “Lions!, tigers! and bears!…oh my!”.
[Please substitute your favorite weather events]
And here in central Arizona we having another fine day that is completely consistent with
“climate change”.
A more melodious wording is this: “Often in error but never in doubt.”
In the UK: ‘Seldom right; never wrong.’
“This topic reminds me of the saying: “Often wrong, but never in doubt.”
In Mann’s case it should be “Always wrong, but never in doubt.”
This is getting to be like the normal Earth Day compilations of failed predictions. The greens are like the Hapsburgs (or was it the Bourbons?), who never learn and never forget.
Einstein’s said insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. It was Talleyrand who said it about the Bourbon dynasty.
p.s It went into moderation for some reason.
Talleyrand said it about the Bourbons
I have I agree. Every time I try those bourbon biscuits, I expect that they are going to be nice, and they’re not.
Just leave off the biscuit and it’s fine.
I disagree: nothing better than a bourbon biscuit dunked into tea!
According to AOC we have until 2031. Plenty of time to update our wills.
Yes, let’s party like it’s Obama’s birthday!
That anyone takes Mann seriously never ceases to amaze me. He really is a disgrace to the profession, unless his profession happens to be con artist, in which case he is doing great.
Exceptionally good comment, Pamela!
We should take him seriously in the same way we take malaria, plague, war, cancer, childhood hunger and organized crime seriously. They are all a threat to the wellbeing of society and should be dealt with.
He’s the Mann that cried “Warm”.
LOL 🙂
A symptom of “mannia”…
Which feedback pathway is Mikey riding?
The one with the secret herbs and spices.
Just the latest in a continuing series of last chances. The public doesn’t seem too concerned, as they haven’t altered their behaviour.
And none of the “climate scientists”, activists, media personalities, entertainment A-listers or political leaders who continually exhort us about the onrushing climate catastrophe have reduced their own massive fossil fuel consumption habits, so call me crazy but I don’t think they believe what they preach.
Yet the circus continues.
Oh yes, they certainly believe what they preach! They are now blaming every weather event on “the climate crisis”
Mr “upside down Mann” should read Joe D’Aleo’s recent post about their so called Apocalypse or dopey Biden’s EXISTENTIAL threat.
Joe checks out more of their Climate change delusions and like Willis Eschenbach, Dr Christy, Lomborg, Dr Koonin, Shellenberger, Prof Humlum etc he can’t find anything to support their usual, extremist nonsense.
Many good links as he checks out each claim and well worth the read.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/fact-checking-the-most-common-climate-alarmist-claims/
Oh and thanks to Steve McIntyre for his accurate description of “upside down Mann”.
Dude has a tiny hand, hairy knuckles and chews his nails. His “mustache” is crooked. He’s got the bald Gorbachev thing going, and we know that he’s dishonest.
He sues those he disagrees with. I wonder what he is compensating for.
His ‘mustache’ looks like an upside down hockystick! lol
Maybe beady eyes cause his problem of failure to see what’s right under his nose!
Yeah, those beady eyes may be a problem.
Does this mean he can be ignored after November? Hell, I’m already ahead of the curve. I’ve been ignoring him since before he lost any remaining credibility after ‘Climategate’.
Andrew Montford’s wonderful 2010 book, The Hockey Stick Illusion: Climategate and the Corruption of Science was one of the most important books I’ve read in the last couple of decades. His recounting of the incredible dogged efforts of McIntyre and McKittrick in the service of science and humanity revealed Michael “Piltdown” Mann as the fraud, cheat and charlatan that he is.
https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/the-montford-delusion/
Steve McIntyre rebuts RealClimate here:
https://climateaudit.org/2010/07/25/the-team-defends-paleo-phrenology/
That’s a rebuttal? Hah. Firstly Wahl and Ammann showed that the PCA usage had a negligible effect (0.02C from memory) on the MBH reconstruction. Strike about one third of the ‘rebuttal’
Secondly McIntyre makes much of the NAS panel recommendation that Bristlecones should be avoided and makes the incorrect assertion that the hockey stick shape depends on them. He fails to mention the susbsequent follow up from panel chair Gerald North where he said that Bristlecones are only problematic over the last 150 years or so – for which we have a wealth of other proxies. He also does not mention this paper by Salzer et al which concludes
(i) The unique 20th-century increase in ring width is specific to the upper forest border and is not associated with a particular elevation. The link to upper treeline rather than to a specific elevation is not consistent with the WUE hypothesis of indirect fertilization by CO2 or fertilization by nitrogen deposition. (ii) The strong modern trend in growth observed at the upper forest border is not the product of any preprocessing or standardization of the data—there was none. (iii) The modern trend is not related to the difference between strip-bark and whole-bark growth forms.”
Some might think that mildly relevant? Strike another third of the ‘rebuttal’.
Lastly, like Montford before him, McIntyre tries to make a big deal out of the non-appearance of the r-squared (r2) statistic for the MBH curves. Read the comments by Gavin Schmidt in response to Judith Curry’s drive-by at RC to discover why r2 is simply not a useful statistic in the context of climate reconstructions.
But don’t believe me – the very NAS panel that McIntyre likes to quote repeatedly (and selectively) on Bristlecones said this about r2 in the section on ‘prediction skill’ (p92 in the pdf)
However, r2 measures how well some linear function of the predictions matches the data, not how well the predictions themselves perform. The coefficients in that linear function cannot be calculated without knowing the values being predicted, so it is not in itself a useful indication of merit.
Again, not a fact you would learn from the Auditor. Strike the final third of the ‘rebuttal’.
The Earth’s Temperature
Currently: 56.95°F/13.86°C
Deviation: -0.25°F/-0.14°C
Stations processed last hour: 40819
Last station processed: Wallis Island, Wallis and Futuna
Update time: 2021-08-11 06:32:36 UTC
http://www.temperature.global/
Gavin Schmidt asked; “You ok with that?” Gavin is very concerned about a site that gives the Earth’s temperatures from over 52,411 sites and those temperature do not seem to comport with what he believes the temperature should be. Is Gavin OK with what follows?
“In his original publications of the stick, Mann purported to use a standard method known as principal component analysis, or PCA, to find the dominant features in a set of more than 70 different climate records.
But it wasnt so. McIntyre and McKitrick obtained part of the program that Mann used, and they found serious problems. Not only does the program not do conventional PCA, but it handles data normalization in a way that can only be described as mistaken.
Now comes the real shocker. This improper normalization procedure tends to emphasize any data that do have the hockey stick shape, and to suppress all data that do not. To demonstrate this effect, McIntyre and McKitrick created some meaningless test data that had, on average, no trends. This method of generating random data is called Monte Carlo analysis, after the famous casino, and it is widely used in statistical analysis to test procedures. When McIntyre and McKitrick fed these random data into the Mann procedure, out popped a hockey stick shape!
https://www.technologyreview.com/2004/10/15/274740/global-warming-bombshell/
My rebuttal of the rebuttal is awaiting moderation as I post this. But this is all a bit moot in the light of the fact that the now two-decades old study has been confirmed time and time again. Why, just today another confirmation was published in the IPCC report. The original hockey stick was Northern Hemisphere only, this new one is global, has a longer ‘shaft’ and a more pronounced ‘blade’. Here they are side by side.
In 1769, Joseph Priestley warned that scientists overly attached to a favorite hypothesis would not hesitate to “warp the whole course of nature.” In 1999, Michael Mann and his colleagues published a reconstruction of past temperature in which the MWP simply vanished. This unique estimate became known as the “hockey stick,” because of the shape of the temperature graph.
Normally in science, when you have a novel result that appears to overturn previous work, you have to demonstrate why the earlier work was wrong. But the work of Mann and his colleagues was initially accepted uncritically, even though it contradicted the results of more than 100 previous studies. Other researchers have since reaffirmed that the Medieval Warm Period was both warm and global in its extent.
There is an overwhelming bias today in the media regarding the issue of global warming. In the past two years, this bias has bloomed into an irrational hysteria. Every natural disaster that occurs is now linked with global warming, no matter how tenuous or impossible the connection. As a result, the public has become vastly misinformed on this and other environmental issues.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090130104352/http://www.epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=266543
Once more you do a great job of showing your total ignorance, not only about me and about this fraud, Michael Mann, who made a graph that has been debunked by all serious and honest people who have looked into it and how this charlatan pretending to be a scientist, Michael Mann, put the thing to gather. Here is the Graph that show the true past climate of the Earth in 1991.
IPCC graph from 1991
Figure 2 Variations in regional surface temperatures for the last 18,000 years, estimated from a variety of sources. Shown are changes in°C, from the value for 1900. Compiled by R. S. Bradley and J. A. Eddy based on J. T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1990 and published in EarthQuest, vol 5, no 1, 1991.
http://www.gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/article1-fig2.html
“McIntyre therefore prepared a revised dataset, replacing Briffa’s selected 12 cores with the 34 from Khadyta River. The revised chronology was simply staggering. The sharp uptick in the series at the end of the twentieth century had vanished, leaving a twentieth century apparently without a significant trend. The blade of the Yamal hockey stick, used in so many of those temperature reconstructions that the IPCC said validated Michael Mann’s work, was gone.”
http://simplesustainable.com/topic/101-the-global-warming-hockey-stick-is-debunked/
Relying on Realclimate.org is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Anyone who denies the importance of Climategate is a fool. It altered the entire narrative.
When the Climategate emails were revealed, I was not a bit surprised, they sounded exactly like something a bunch of prevaricating rent-seekers would say to one another to cover their tracks and asses. This kind of chicanery goes on whenever a group of quite average researchers get together and start calling themselves Superstars. Does anyone believe that Mann is anything but average in ability and intellect?
Calling Mann “average in ability and intellect” is being too kind.
Yeah, I know, but considering how quick he is to sue, I don’t want to invite trouble. It is too easy to ID me….
It’s what happens when hubris meets the Dunning Kruger effect. No, Mann has always seemed below average to me. He’s arrogant because he believes himself to be untouchable.
“Relying on Realclimate.org is scraping the bottom of the barrel.”
That’s giving them a little too much credit, isn’t it? 🙂
Climategate and all the attempts by the apologists to push it under the rug was certainly the watershed moment, as you point out the efforts of McIntyre and McKittrick certainly got the ball rolling. Yet, not surprisingly the AGW true believers are still in denial over Montford’s book and what it revealed. Donna Laframboise’ excellent jab at the IPCC, ‘The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert‘ is a good runner up.
https://judithcurry.com/2011/10/19/laframboise-on-the-ipcc/
Of course Dr Rosling’s 5 minute video of 200 countries over the last 200 years disproves all of their claims about their so called EXISTENTIAL threat.
Thanks to FOSSIL FUELS ( still over 80% + of global energy) and Great Britain releasing the Ind REV on the world.
Life expectancy (from 200,000+ years BP to 1800) was under 40 , but today is about 73 and every country is much wealthier as well.
And all this happened in just 200 years.
Michael “Piltdown” Mann, a known prevaricator, charlatan and science fraud was a guest on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” this morning.
I neglected to watch. One of the benefits of being at my stage in life is that I no longer have to suffer fools, liars, cheats and windbags.
The most potent of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals was #7 (if I recall correctly) ‘Isolate then ridicule’ (or something like that). MM makes an ideal target now. None of his prognostications have come to pass. NONE. So why now—oh, COP26, their 26th try that will also fail.
From what I have read, Mann’s prickly personality has offended many of the people you would normally count on to defend him.
If this last ‘last chance’ warning fails to come true can we please get back to honest science and rational thinking and away from childish hysteria and fabricated data.
It’s hard to say if that can happen. Fear arising from distorted science has worked so well for climate science, they’ve adapted it to the China virus response and even other policies. The fabricated data doesn’t matter to most, but emotional manipulation is the useful tactic. I don’t see the political left giving up something so effective any time soon. It’s just far too easy to apply fake emotional arguments to anything that’s otherwise too complicated for most people to understand on their own.
“I don’t see the political left giving up something [climate alarmism] so effective any time soon.”
No, they are not going to give it up, and unfortunately, some Republicans may take it up, too, which will just give the left more reason to follow that course.
Republicans are their own worst enemies. The Leftwing Media has a lot of them spooked, which makes the Republicans make bad decisions to placate potential critics on the left.
Meanwhile, the nation goes to hell in a Democrat handbasket, while some Repubicans are more worried about how they are percieved by the Leftwing Media than anything else.
What these Republicans should be worried about is how they are percieved by their constituents. About 18 Republicans are going to support the Democrat takeover of the United States by voting for the Infrastructure bill. The next election will be telling.
You should hear some of the pathetic explanations these 18 Republicans are offering for why they are going to vote for this Democrat Trojan Horse. These Republicans don’t seem to realize there is a war going on for the Soul of the Republic. They seem to think it is just business as usual. Meanwhile, the Democrats use these bills to try to guarantee the Republicans will never gain the presidency again.
One Party Rule is what the Democrats are after, and these 18 Republicans are helping this effort. The 18 Republicans are Useful Idiots for the Democrats. No amount of glowing words will make this deal look good to Republican voters because they know what the ultimate goal of passing this is: Giving more power to the Democrats.
Idiocracy.
The Democrats already have single party rule and it’s more than just the desire to sustain and cement it. Freedom, the Constitution and the nations sovereignty are all under attack by the Marxists driving the agenda of the current administration which has been systematically undermining Article II of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in order to facilitate their agenda.
If the Supreme court wasn’t so political, they would take the unprecedented step and immediately rule 9-0 against Biden’s defiance of the court with his extension of the moratorium on eviction and do so without a referral from a lower court. Even the Democrats on the court should know that what comes around goes around and the next go around will not be pleasant for them given how poorly the Democrats in power are running things. This blatant defiance of the Constitution, the rule of law and the Bill of Rights must stop and unfortunately, Congress is too feckless to address this.
I’ll always remember how hurt McCain looked when the press turned on him after the primaries when he ran for president.
He actually believed that since he had been the press’s favorite Republican for decades, he could always been counted to generate an attack quote against his fellow Republicans, the press would go easy on him in the general election.
However when given the choice between a real Democrat and a fake one, the press chose the real Democrat. So did most of the voters.
Yes, McCain was the Left’s “Golden Boy” until he challenged the leftwing agenda by running for president. Then McCain got to see what the leftwing reporters *really* thought about him.
McCain was just one of their Useful Idiots until he wasn’t.
” can we please get back to honest science and rational thinking”
Don’t be so silly, there’s no money in that !!
Don’t worry, when this last “last chance” warning fails to come true, there will be another “last chance” warning to follow (and another one after than, and so on).
There are too many paychecks depending on that childish hysteria and fabricated data.
And a wonderful tradition it is! Perhaps we should bake some COPcakes and hang some tree rings above the fireplace. No electric lights allowed for decorations, of course.
What a screw up, look over here at global warming to distract us from the coming Beaufort gyre event. Why do you bother with twerps with failed model. Prepare for mini ice age.
Latest global average energy 341.2 w-m² received by the sun. Summer land heats up increasing to 358.22 watts. Atmosphere contains an average 239.7 watts per square meter. With land absorbing more heat, atmosphere thermal heat expands to 249.36 watts. Was higher on 4th July 254.37 watts. Sea ice this year has expanded to 24 million km² (b/t high 26.4 and low 22.4). Any warning isn’t to be taken seriously. Doesn’t match observations. Scientists that advocate climate models as 100% certainty and don’t think observations aren’t needed lean to politicians pressure to show crisis. Climate models contain to much warming (global average energy would be 346.5 w-m² under climate models). First week of April was when both hemispheres equal. With an average 340-342 w-m² was observed. This transition (NH becomes warmer than southern hemisphere in spring). Last year Nov 18th the transition occurred with 345 watts average. Natural warming has ended and natural cooling is starting. .
“Atmosphere contains an average 239.7 watts per square meter.”
This makes no sense. The atmosphere can contain Joules, but not watts per m^2. The atmosphere is simply a passive layer between a nearly ideal BB surface and space that attenuates surface emissions before being being emitted into space and that amplifies solar forcing to support higher surface emissions (a higher surface temperature). The Joules of energy that ‘amplify’ the forcing are the same Joules being attenuated before being emitted by the planet.
You had your thread. And no, it doesn’t matter.
People in India eat oil ? 😉
Despite that, peak “addlebrained”
How is it possible to respond to you when you just write gobbledegook. Why don’t you slow down, and write something that makes sense or, alternatively, STFU and go away.
The voices in your head may tell you that this is another failed reply, but it isn’t.
Once again, a non sequitur answer. Sheesh, it’s like you no longer feel like trying.
“People in India eat oil ?”
Yes, it’s called Ghee …
Ghee is a semifluid clarified butter (but modern vegetable shortening is sometimes called “vegetable ghee” and used for cooking, especially by vegans). True ghee may be called desi or asli ghee.
Hardly peak oil in India, they found a huge reserve off the West coast. India is really just getting started with developing its energy resources. Good for them!
They only recently discovered it, you numpty. https://www.upstreamonline.com/exploration/ongc-lifts-lid-on-two-fresh-discoveries-offshore-indias-west-coast/2-1-1031455
Since oil hasn’t made all Indians fabulously wealth, that’s proof that India has already run out of oil.
(Channeling the voices in ingraham’s head.)
In a word, no.
Reminds me of a Monty Python sketch:
https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs
So true,
The definition of insanity is doing/saying the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Penn State should be embarrassed by having Mann on the faculty. He is distinguished only by his mendacity.
Penn state proved long ago, that as long as someone is good at bringing in money, they will support him. I’d mention a certain football coach, but I don’t want to get sued by Mann.
fraudymcfraudpants says WHAT?
Mark, you are driving us nuts with your peak oil trolling.
Coal liquefaction and catalytic cracking of heavy oil clearly works, because the NAZIs used it to run their entire wartime economy. The aviation fuel produced from liquefaction was especially prized because of its high quality.
Unless you can come up with a referenced argument why coal to oil which the NAZIs used, why 80 year old technology could not be resurrected to work for us, when easily accessible oil reserves run out, nobody will take you seriously.
Mark, coal reserves around 1,054,782 million tons.
Total oil usage is 5,000 million tons.
1,054,782 / 5000 = 210 years.
No peak oil in our lifetime, or our grandchildren’s lifetime.
200 years is good enough. Our distant descendants can sort out their own problems.
You always declare that others are wrong, or fake. Yet you never bother to demonstrate how or why.
Probably because as we both know, you can’t.
And you know the value of the energy content of every ton of unmined coal because …
If you think China’s usage of coal is low, you have never studied China.
Mark, has anyone told you before that you’re a loonie, or am I the first.
You can thank me later.
mark, I previously recommended you read my ebooks Gaia’s Limits and Blowing Smoke part one of four.You have evidently not.
Mark,
Have you ever heard of Godwins Law. It is a simple law that states as an argument progresses it inevitable declines into the need to invoke Nazi references. The first to invoke such, is the loser.
Well in these modern times the Nazi reference is equivalent to extreme totalitarianism, as witnessed in North Korea and Venezuela.
Thus, anyone invoking those examples, to further their argument is the loser.
Draw your own conclusions, after all, that is what Michael the Mann also does, it seems to work well for him……
If you think there is no oil in Afghanistan, then I rest my case.
The fact that a country that never had oil, isn’t now producing oil is proof that we have passed peak oil.
Gotcha.
Gotcha, anytime oil production drops, that’s proof that we are past peak oil.
Who cares what other explanations exist, you know the truth and won’t let mere reality sway you.
No doubt getting banned is your ultimate goal toward which you strive, mightily.
He’s asked to be banned twice now. In his mind it’s the ultimate proof that he has won the argument.
Germany used Standard Oil patents to produce liquids from coal…Germany was always short in fuel – their fighter planes had lower compression engines than British and American and maybe Russian…there was a trial to use powdered coal dust in little VW bugs as fuel- that must have been one nasty exhaust.
My grandpa told me they used carbon monoxide in automobiles in Australia, actually attached the coke burner to the automobile. Apparently the gas was very acidic, corroded the engine, but for some reason adding castor oil to the engine mitigated the damage. Or something like that.
Woodgas works pretty good in an internal combustion engine.
Wouldn’t surprise me if the problem wasn’t sulfur in the coal.
Anyone who thinks coal is negligible, has never actually looked at the data.
What flood of peak oil articles. Other than your nonsense, I haven’t heard anything on this topic in at least 5 or 6 years.