I got to thinking about how science progresses. Science is a funny beast. It’s not a “thing”, it’s a process. The process works like this:
- One or more people make a falsifiable claim about how the physical world works. They support it with logic, math, computer code, examples, experience, experimental results, thought experiments, or other substantiating backup information.
- They make all of that information public, so others can replicate their work.
- Other people try to find things that are wrong with the original claim, including errors in the logic, math, computer code, examples, and the rest.
- If someone can show the original claim is wrong, that claim is falsified and rejected.
- If nobody can show the claim is wrong, then it is provisionally accepted as scientifically valid … but only provisionally, because at any time new information of any kind may show that the claim actually is wrong.
Note that there is two things that must be present for this process we call “science” to work. The first is total transparency. If the author of the claim refuses to provide the data, computer code, or any part of the supporting evidence, the claim cannot be either replicated or falsified and thus it is not a part of science.
The second necessary component is that the claim must be falsifiable. If I say “There is a Pastafarian God who controls the universe through his noodly appendages”, no one can falsify that statement … so it’s not a scientific claim.

Now, let me point out what doesn’t make any difference in this process. The following things do not matter at all in real scientific investigation:
- The nationality, sex, educational level, previous accomplishments, publications, age, credentials, shoe size, or hair color of the person making the claim. They mean nothing—the claim is either true or not, regardless of those meaningless side issues.
- The location where the claim is made. It is either true or not, regardless of whether it is published in a scientific journal, posted on the web, or written on an outhouse wall.
- The nationality, sex, educational level, previous accomplishments or publications, credentials, shoe size, or hair color of the person who has found problems with the claim.
- Peer review. The peer reviewers have a lifetime invested in their own work and beliefs, and if their worldview is overthrown by a new scientific paradigm, they may be out of work. As a result, these days peer review mostly functions as the gatekeeper of the consensus, preventing the publication of any claim that disagrees with the agreed theories. It is no guarantor of scientific validity. From the National Institutes of Health: “We have little evidence on the effectiveness of peer review, but we have considerable evidence on its defects. In addition to being poor at detecting gross defects and almost useless for detecting fraud it is slow, expensive, profligate of academic time, highly subjective, something of a lottery, prone to bias, and easily abused.”
- Personal attacks. Attacking the person instead of attacking the person’s ideas is called an “ad hominem” attack, from the Latin meaning “to the man”. The most common one in climate science is when someone calls their opponent a “denier”. This is a childish attempt to discredit the person rather than deal with what they are saying. My rule of thumb with these kinds of personal attacks is “When someone starts throwing mud, it’s a sure sign they’re out of real ammunition.”
- And finally, to get to the subject of this post, it doesn’t matter how many people believe the original claim. Consensus on the claim is meaningless. It makes no difference if every learned person in the world, backed by the Catholic Church, believes some idea is true—as Copernicus and Galileo proved, scientific validity is not determined by either consensus or a vote.
In fact, all scientific advances occur in the same manner. Someone questions the revealed wisdom. Someone doesn’t believe the agree-upon explanation. Someone doesn’t think the current theory is quite correct. Someone disagrees with the learned scientific societies, the consensus of experts, the accepted paradigm.
And in the process, new scientific ideas are brought to light and agreed upon … until such future time as they, in turn, may be overthrown.
So I thought I’d provide a few quotes from profound thinkers on this very question. Let me start with the polymath Michael Crichton, author, director, medical student, television producer, Emmy winner, and most interesting man.

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. — Michael Crichton
Next, gotta have a few quotes from the OG of scientific breakthroughs, Big Al, noted “Isaac Newton Denier”:

Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of the truth. — Albert Einstein
To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an authority myself. — Albert Einstein
When a pamphlet was published entitled 100 Authors Against Einstein, Einstein retorted “If I were wrong, one would be enough.” — Albert Einstein, perhaps apocryphal but absolutely true
Then there’s Richard Feynman, one of the best physicists of the last century:

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. — Richard Feynman
Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look at what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, “Is it reasonable? — Richard Feynman
Here’s Scott Adams, cartoonist, hypnotist, author, and general troublemaker:

One thing I can say with complete certainty is that it is a bad idea to trust the majority of experts in any domain in which both complexity and large amounts of money are involved. — Scott Adams
Whenever you have money, reputations, power, ego, and complexity in play, it is irrational to assume you are seeing objective science. — Scott Adams
And if you will allow me a short digression, I can’t let the opportunity pass without quoting Matt Groening, creator of the Simpsons:

When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important lesson to be learned. … … Do not have sex with the authorities. — Matt Groening
Facts are meaningless! You could use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true — Homer (Simpson)
… but I digress. Let us return to the important issue of the meaningless nature of scientific consensus by quoting the aforementioned Galileo Galilei:

In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man. — Galileo
And Copernicus:

Among the authorities, it is generally agreed that the Earth is at rest in the middle of the universe, and they regard it as inconceivable and even ridiculous to hold the opposite opinion. However, if we consider it more closely the question will be seen to be still unsettled, and so decidedly not to be despised. — Nicholas Copernicus
Nor is this idea of questioning the authorities new. One of the clearest visions of how science is the process of disbelieving the experts comes from the 11th-century Persian physician, philosopher, and astronomer Abu ‘Ali al-Husayn ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Sina, better known in the West as Avicenna, who over a thousand years ago wrote:

The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them, but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration and not the sayings of human beings whose nature is fraught with all kinds of imperfection and deficiency.
Thus, the duty of the man who investigates the writings of scientists, if learning the truth is his goal, is to make himself an enemy of all that he reads, and, applying his mind to the core and margins of its content, to attack it from every side. He should also suspect himself as he performs his critical examination of it, so that he may avoid falling into either prejudice or leniency. — Avicenna
Astounding insights from a man writing in the year 1000 … nothing new under the sun.
And why have I written all of this? Well, it’s because I’m bone-tired of people saying “But Willis, don’t you know that all the scientists agree about the ‘Climate Emergency’? Don’t you realize you’re going against a hundred years of settled climate science? Your work can’t possibly be true, it isn’t peer-reviewed, and besides you’re a climate denier! Surely you must know that there’s a 97% consensus that eeevil humans are responsible for ruining the climate, and that everyone who is anyone agrees that bad weather can be prevented by poor people paying more for gasoline?”
Yes, I know all of that … and for all of the reasons given by all the people above, I don’t give a rat’s gluteus minimus about the existence of some claimed consensus or other. That’s not how science works, never was, and never will be.
My best to each and every one of you, commenters, lurkers, haters, the mildly curious, and all the rest.
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The original 2009 Doran/Zimmerman study that came up with the 97% basically asked these two survey questions:
Q1. When compared with pre-1800’s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
Q2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
My response to your friends who say, “but all these people, all these institutions …” is, “Why didn’t Doran & Zimmerman find 100% instead of just 97%? Who were the 3% who didn’t think average global temperatures are up since 1800? And who didn’t think human activity doesn’t affect temperature?” And then point out to your friends that the Doran & Zimmerman survey didn’t ask if they thought increasing global temperature would constitute a problem, not to mention the existential crisis of our time!
One survey question
Do you think a warmer world is a problem?
would probably probably produce way less than the 97% we constantly hear about. That Doran & Zimmerman didn’t ask that question directly is an indication that they knew the result would go against the narrative they were looking to support. In other words, their survey was propaganda, and not a search for truth.
Also, their survey was sent only to government and academic scientists in relevant disciplines, not private sector. Then, of the over 3000 who responded (out of more than 10,000 queried), they cherry-picked 79 “actively publishing “climate scientists”) from whom to make up the fake 97% consensus. Of these, 77 answered yes to the first question and 75 to the second, so the bogus figure shoul be 95%.
Nor, as you note, did they add the needed third question, ie “Are more CO2 and whatever warming has occurred on balance beneficial or harmful to humans?”.
John T. … Thereby proving that 97% of scientists who’s livelihoods depend on a climate crisis believe there is a climate crisis, and 3% of scientists who’s livelihoods depend on a climate crisis are stupid.
Could also be that 3% had their Federal pensions fully vested, were close to retirement, and didn’t care about being invited to cocktail parties.
And which also means that, even using their sleight of hand regarding the answer to one vs. both questions, at best the “consensus” regarding two relatively meaningless questions was 79/3000 or 0.026%, NOT 97%.
Doran & Zimmerman’s other survey (sent only to priests) revealed the amazing news that 97% believe in God.
Obviously didn’t send it to C of E clergymen.
America’s best reporter writes about fake science:
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/what-happened-when-trump-tried-to-stop-u-s-funding-for-the-communist-chinese-wuhan-lab/
Yes, a narrative, a handmade tale. That said, the closest model of what has passed is a stadium wave with irregular periods. Human influence, both positive and negative, at least in the near-term, at local, and, perhaps, regional scale. CO2 emissions from diverse, and varied sources, greening the planet.
Wait, what about Cook Et al?
It’s meaningless drivel that was thoroughly falsified almost before the ink was dry. Upon review by Legates et. al. (2013) it was shown that Cook’s actual consensus was 0.3%, not 97.1%. That means that 99.7% disagree with his findings.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9
Using Cook et al.2013 , Doran and Kendall Zimmerman, 2009 & AMS survey Stenhouse et al., 2014 as basis to the 97%.
So answering the questions –
1) most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic?
2) When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
3) Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
4) Regardless of the cause, do you think that global warming is happening?
5) How sure are you that global warming (a. is /b. is not) happening?
Answers and questions use generalized words of most, think, significant, contributing and no values or significance is asked for. No where is proof or dates or amounts or data of +/- estimates required and did you see CO2 anywhere?
Do these questions really provide the answer that; stopping man-made, catastrophizing, CO2 control knob, ever increasing (global warming / climate change / disruption / weirding ) [pick 1 or more], which can only be prevented by higher taxes, more regulations and a loss of personal freedom will actually keep us all from floating down the River Styx in a handbasket?
Firstly, for a consensus that is now meaningless, this site has spent thousands of words trying to show it is variously: ‘crumbling’, ‘busted’, ‘fraudulent’, a ‘nonsensus’ etc etc. Indeed Mr WE himself once claimed the now meaningless consensus was falsified by 49 dissenting administrators and engineers.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/category/97-consensus/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/10/49-nasa-scientists-call-bs/
Secondly, the 97% consensus is a result of more than that one survey, Cook et al, Anderegg et al and several others came up with a similar result, using different methods. And it is not just a consensus of scientists, the literature also overwhelmingly takes the reality of AGW as its default starting point:
“The consensus among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming has grown to 100%, based on a review of 11,602 peer-reviewed articles on “climate change” and “global warming” published in the first 7 months of 2019.”
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0270467619886266
Thirdly, the article is something of a straw man, in that the surveys were not done as an attempt to establish the truth of AGW by a head-count, the issue they were addressing was that the strength of the consensus was widely underestimated in the media, public perception and also regularly cast into doubt by sceptics. From the introduction to Cook et al (2013):
“An accurate perception of the degree of scientific consensus is an essential element to public support for climate policy (Ding et al 2011). Communicating the scientific consensus also increases people’s acceptance that climate change (CC) is happening (Lewandowsky et al 2012). Despite numerous indicators of a consensus, there is wide public perception that climate scientists disagree over the fundamental cause of global warming (GW; Leiserowitz et al 2012, Pew 2012).”
Given that pretty much everyone now recognises the 97% number, seems like job done.
Yep. Lotsa numpties still skol that Kool-aid.
Freedom of religion hey, whatta ya gonna do?
if you mean all the morons and sheep recognize the consensus. you are correct. The educated, well read and informed dismiss it for the propaganda that it is. 9 out of 10 dentist surveyed recommend Colgate . so why are there 100 different tooth pastes? because the survey asked the wrong question and the results are an obfuscation to market to the masses.
And John Phillips has completely missed the point. Good luck with that.
Me, I’ll keep faith in Feynman.
Thanks Willis, great set of quotes. Timely reminder if what science actually is.
“Thanks Willis, great set of quotes. Timely reminder if what science actually is.”
I agree. Skeptics and skepticism are on the right track when it comes to advancing science. Our motto: Prove it.
If you start, as Cook et al did, with agreeing on a result of 97% then it is hardly surprising if you manage to turn up some sort of ‘evidence’, time and again, to magically support that number. Look at their ‘evidence’ – question it and scrutinise it closely and you’ll likely find it fails to support any sort of consensus under rigourous examination.
You are failing a primary test of scientific reasoning by blindly accepting their statement without question. Shame on you sir.
Relying on consensus means you learned nothing.
And every supposed “scholarly Paper” on consensus has been thoroughly falsified numerous times. The now infamous Cook et al (2013) was falsified right out of the gate by Legates et al (2013) … proving that the actual “consensus” is closer to 99.7% opposite to Cook’s claims. Legates showed a consensus of only 0.3%.
Climate Consensus and ‘Misinformation’: A Rejoinder to Agnotology, Scientific Consensus, and the Teaching and Learning of Climate Change
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257662279_Agnotology_Scientific_Consensus_and_the_Teaching_and_Learning_of_Climate_Change_A_Response_to_Legates_Soon_and_Briggs
I’m familiar with Cook’s unsuccessful attempt to rebut Legates. It failed as expected.
Did you even read the article? You are just claiming that the consensus must be true because a lot of people believe in it!
Consensus on the consensus? Sounds like circular reasoning to me.
You are kidding, right? 11 thousand peer reviewed papers in 7 months? Really? Do you listen to yourself, or are you just in love with your own voice?
Eleven thousand peer reviewed papers in seven months! Jeez, Louise!
Wait, let me guess; 97% of these “peer reviewed papers” were actually articles on knitting baby booties and baking Alaska pies, but every article was first “relevatised” by having it “improved” by our friends at… what was that “news organisation” that adds “climate change” to every article, for free? CCNow dot com or something?
Or was it 500 students writing their holiday essays, then they all “peer reviewed” 23 classmates as a class exercise?
11 602 peer reviewed studies in seven months! Next you gonna tell me tree ring sizes are directly correlated to temperature or something…
John,
I was hoping someone would stupidly support the 100% claim which you have listed.
So you actually believe that no sceptical papers were published for 7 months in 2019?
Or do you rather believe that there were 11,602 peer reviewed papers in the 7 months all unequivocally stating that CAGW is accepted with no qualifications?
No “might”, “could” or “perhaps”.
CATASTROPHIC Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Name 10.
Do you think former President Barack Obama will tweet this new figure?
Nuts.
Given the efforts the alarmists have put towards making sure no skeptic papers get published, I’m not surprised that a search that limits itself to “published” papers didn’t find many skeptic papers.
Maybe the gatekeepers are more effective than we thought.
They do have their jobs to protect.
The two things of most value I got from a scientific education were: don’t subcontract you thinking and don’t be overawed by people who have letters before and after their name.
More and more, independent thought is a detriment when trying to earn advanced degrees. Just parrot back what your teachers tell you and don’t, under any circumstances let them know you have doubts.
The problems with all of those surveys have been laid out previously.
For example, review of studies only looked at the summaries and counted every study that didn’t specifically mention climate as supporting the climate change narrative.
Another that did a search of published papers was non-reproducible, using the criteria published.
Fake news.
Bull hockey! If you let ME pick whose papers to “recognie” and let ME determine “what they mean” I’ll get the number to -wait for it – ZERO!
The thing is, once the papers are actually assessed, most have little to do with the BIG question; “is man really responsible” for altering the climate?”
You’re a troll. Go away.
Sigh — what an idiotic post.
“An accurate perception of the degree of scientific consensus is an essential element to public support for climate policy”
I don’t know about you, but in my world:
“An accurate perception” is still a perception. Which still is a judgment resulting from (politically motivated) awareness or (ideologically flawed) understanding
An indication of a lie is right there in your face.
Oddgeir
Thank you for elucidating what I have been thinking as one of the ‘mildly curious’.
Copernicus was convinced the Earth does in fact go around the Sun, but his printer bowed to consensus and authority by adding a disclaimer in a forward to his book. He also waited until the end of his life to publish. But Copernicus (and Galileo) still thought that planetary orbits were perfectly circular, as per Aristotle. Kepler, using Tycho’s observations of Mars, showed orbits elliptical. Newton explained why. Then Einstein corrected Newton. Now Einstein is being reexamined.
The Sun and its system orbit the barycenter of our galaxy. Science is never settled. Even after the reality of heliocentrism was accepted, much was and remains left to be discovered and hypothesized.
The examination of Einstein’s claims has never stopped. Every time there is a solar eclipse, some new experiment is announced. These ‘examinations’ have low probability of overturning Einstein’s theories, but have a huge potential payoff. Who wouldn’t want to hire the academic who overturned the Einstein paradigm? Therefore, I predict that the ‘reexaminations’ will never stop.
Nor should they ever stop. Science is never settled.
No doubt you’re right about some physicists’ motives, but so far Einstein’s predictions have been confirmed, but as shown by dark matter and then dark energy, there’s lots still to figure out.
I was yay about I write that. I firmly believe that we will find that Einstein, like Newton, was only right for certain conditions. Even Einstein firmly believed that.
I suspect that we’ll find a way ‘around’ the speed of light, and possibly even of time itself. I’m convinced that we’ll find a way to manipulate space beyond Einstein’s understanding. We don’t ever stop trying!
While Newton’s equations work over a broad range of conditions, he was fundamentally wrong. He thought that space and time were absolute, not relative, and that gravity worked instantaneously at all distances, not at the speed of light.
Other physicists had noticed that Maxwell and Newton couldn’t both be right, yet no one but Einstein dared to back Maxwell over Newton, and mae testable predictions on that basis, which showed him right and Newton wrong.
Nevertheless, Einstein’s heros were Newton and Faraday, as well as Maxwell. Two Dissenting Englishmen and a Presbyterian Scot.
Einstein’s heroes were Riemann, Kepler and Leibniz. And Planck. His best friend was Goedel who upended Bertrand Russel’s entire program. Goedel’s paper on general relativity is stunning.
It is incredible how far some will go to box these great scientists in.
Maxwell is well known to have refused to use Riemann’s geometry as it was continental.
When asked at Solvay about Kant his reply in very accented French was chacon a son quant-a-soi.
There was a deeper problem with Newton he had no theory of how it worked … hence he just made laws and being religious they were gods laws. Maxwell had a theory that the universe had an aether which was shown to be wrong.
And that’s thanks in part to the fact that Einstein did actual science. He published his science openly, and invited any and all to show it to be wrong.
Now set that in contrast to a charlatan like Mann, who has been hiding his manure behind “ownership” arguments and dragged-on-forever court proceedings. The first clue that his pseudo-science would never stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny!
You write that as though his manure hasn’t already been falsified almost on a daily basis. The ONLY reason it hasn’t already been assigned to the grand toilet of history is that it remains useful to the IPCC narrative. Hell, it’s not even valid science, since his proposals are incomplete, lacking the necessary material to duplicate his findings.
The concensus in October 1903 according to the New York Times:
Hence, if it requires, say, a thousand years to fit for easy flight a bird which started with rudimentary wings, or ten thousand for one with started with no wings at all and had to sprout them ab initio, it might be assumed that the flying machine which will really fly might be evolved by the combined and continuous efforts of mathematicians and mechanicians in from one million to ten million years–provided, of course, we can meanwhile eliminate such little drawbacks and embarrassments as the existing relation between weight and strength in inorganic materials. No doubt the problem has attractions for those it interests, but to the ordinary man it would seem as if the effort might be employed more profitably.
On December 17, 1903 ( 9 weeks after article) the Wright Brothers destroyed the consensus on flight forever. But the times learned nothing and their science writters soon published this gem:
“That Professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react — to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.
Thankfully people back then as now ignore the New York Times’s “Settled Science”.
But what is really incredible is that within a human lifetime, we managed to get to the moon and back (that last bit is quite important). It gives me great hope for our species that we can manage so much in such a short time.
I’m even convinced that if we try, we could manage to mitigate a sea level rise of 20cm a century if we all pulled together!
‘Last bit quite important’. Only if you are an astronaut.
or an astronauts wife …
The “and back.” part. For the Government, not so much. No pension to pay, just an insurance pay out, the schools will essentially rename themselves, without any cost to NASA or the Federal Government.
It would have been a political disaster if they hadn’t made it back. And let’s face it, it was all about politics, not that I’m complaining. Mankind’s greatest achievement to date, and just because some cold war enemy was beating them to it. We still did it!
Having spent my career in space transportation, I often marveled at the fact that it was 65 years, 7 months, and 7 days between the Wright’s first flight and the splashdown of Apollo 11. In the interim, humanity was wracked with a flu pandemic that killed around 20 million, two world wars which killed around 100 million, Communism which killed another 100 million, and a global depression. Yet the United States had enough spare wealth, after all of that, to pull off Apollo. And it did so in 8 years, one month and 27 days (from JFK’s speech to Congress to Apollo 11 splashdown).
I’m a little less sanguine about our capability today. The James Webb Space Telescope program began in 1996 (as the Next Generation Space Telescope). It is supposed to be launched on October 31 of this year, but because of the pandemic effect on Ariane’s launch rate, that probably will not happen. But if it does, it means that one spacecraft will have required 25 years, most of an engineering career, to pull off.
The reasons we can’t accomplish much anymore are legion. But we had better start addressing them.
The nickname for the New York Times, “Old Grey Lady” is an anagram of “really dodgy.” Pure coincidence? Or cosmic joke?
I’m very dyslexic, but even I could never have extracted that anagram!
Who ya gonna trust? An engineer or a know-nothing wordsmith?
And the marketing department (hilarious) – Bob Newhart:
Merchandising the Wright Brothers – YouTube
Every company has these. It is not just the press.
The outstanding failure in physics is we have no quantum theory of gravity, despite 40 years of dead ends. An expert in the field, Prof Lee Smolin at Perimeter is the whistleblower.
He is going to principles – from Leibniz . See :
Lee Smolin: Principles for Quantum Gravity – YouTube
and 3 new books.
The payoff is impossible overestimate.
So have a look at the Leibniz-Clarke correspondence to see what Newton was. As Master of the Mint, and an alchemist who Maynard Keynes wrote – the last Magi, not a scientist.
Keynes’ famous comment – then the facts change I change my mind, refers to this discovery in his biography of Newton.
Yes, I mean it’s not like anyone actually listened to Newton or his theories were used for a few years or so before fading into complete obscurity or anything, was it? No, nothing like that at all was it sweetie? sarc
It really is sad how those who know nothing about history (and apparently don’t want to), have convinced themselves that anyone 400 years ago who engaged in the study of alchemy is a de facto fraud and everything they did is now discredited.
Given what was known about chemistry (pretty much nothing compared to today) how would you (bonbon) go about trying to figure out how matter works?
Why The Claimed “97% Consensus” Is Meaningless
Willis Eschenbach
Great rundown of the scientific answer to consensus down through the ages that reason why; following the herd, group think, panels of experts, conventional wisdom etc. is not how science should be done.
Willis, “educational level (…) of the person who has found problems with the claim.” can be an issue.
See the famous crackpot index https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
Or the corollary, “you’re not a climate scientist”.
And the doctors who discovered effective alternatives to the risky orthopedic surgery were, miracle of miracles, not orthopedic surgeons.
How to weed the false claims on both sides, eg extinction rebellion and dragon slayers? A lot of uneducated people are taking the floor with the wildest claims these days.
See “people are dying” Greta
Apparently everybody who has ever been born has either died, or is destined to. There was an anecdote about one guy, but no actual evidence as yet…
It is instructive that most dictators have sham elections to give legitimacy to their regimes. They always win 95% of the vote and the dictators underlings work to bring the next tally up to 97%.
Automated by a Dominion poll near you.
But… but what if I don’t want to be responsible for thinking for myself?
Thinking is hard…
Shared/shifted responsibility in a handmade tale of the man and woman who never grew up.
handmaid
Reminds me of Charles H. Duell who was the Commissioner of US patent office in 1899. Mr. Deull’s most famous attributed utterance is that “everything that can be invented has been invented.” May as well close up the patent office then… Not.
The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for 2005 jointly to Barry J. Marshall and J. Robin Warren for their discovery of “the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease“
These two guys had a 99% consensus against them. They were actually ejected from scientific conferences. Everybody knew peptic ulcers were not created by bacteria.
At 25 I suffered through 2 years of pointless treatments for peptic ulcers in the late ’60s. Those two deserved the Nobel Prize and the vindication for their tenacity to fight the consensus. Alfred Wegener sadly didn’t live to be vindicated for the abuse he endured for his discoveries.
I saw one of them give a presentation in the mid-90s, and for a while, it really seemed like they were going to be lynched. At a supposedly-scientific meeting.
It was a miracle: after 20 years of small meals and antacids, in the mid ’90’s I got 10 days of pills and was fine. Then a couple of years later it all came back. Based on the fact that H pylori is only transmitted by very close physical contact, I persuaded the doc to treat me and my husband (he had no symptoms and tests were not yet available in Canada). All clear since then.
The terms that should be used in the CAGW world are “pop science” and “pop scientists”. Start using these terms and you will be more accurate.
I prefer “Comic Book Science.” Laypeople used to believe that science was advanced by the likes of super geniuses such as Tony Stark, the Professor from Gilligan’s Island, David Banner, Spiderman, and Doc Oc. Real Scientists (Used to) know it was advanced by ordinary men conducting experiments, observing things closely and thinking about them. Unfortunately too many “Scientists now think like the laypeople who read the comic books.
You’re shy an ‘o’, there.
Yes, science often progresses (i.e. unqualified, monotonic change). It requires principled people, a person, an individual to stand, when others take a knee, to mitigate its progression and even divergence in cargo cults and conflation of logical domains.
Quite often scientific breakthrough’s are made because of a mistake and the understanding of a failed hypothesis. By giving everything a free pass what are we missing out on? What more could we have discovered if only we’d stuck to scientific principles?
97% is a magic number.
100% – nobody would believe that
99.44% – soap
99% – that’s what you say when you’re winging it in an argument
98% – just doesn’t have the punch, and still isn’t believable
96% – boring
95% – stay away from 5s, it sounds like someone approximated something
94% – even more boring than 96%
93% – too weird
Anything below 93% – not scary enough.
97%, though… it’s scary, and also a prime. Can’t fake prime numbers, right?
Perfect to use to convince people that you were all sciency and stuff.
Back to the origin:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2009EO030002
The number 97% means 75 respondents out of 3146. To make it look more authoritative, authors used additional ad-hoc criteria to reduce the number of respondents to consider from 3146 to 77. Some things never change.
79.
Only 75 responded affirmatively to both questions.
That’s right. But the number os “actively publishing climate scientists” was 79, not 77, which is how many answered yes to the first question.
79? That’s 97 to us dyslexics.
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79 or 75 is still a very, very small sample. I hope there are way more scientists in the world. I mean scientists, not cargo cult scientists as climastrologers are.
67.56% of statistics are made up on the spot
Sanka Brand decaffeinated coffee made use of that same magic number for decades in their TV and print advertising. Someone pointed out once that ordinary coffee was 93% Caffeine free, which is, as you said, not scary enough.
John Cook, of skepticalscience.com had to do it one better by claiming a far more precise percentage 97.1%. Turns out his was paper actually showed closer to 0.3% in Legates et. al. (2013).
But,but, Willis you’ve just ried on authority to make the argument not to rely on authority. Thought I’d get that in before Griff and the other assorted loons put their oar in. Otherwise, nicely said!
Leo Tolstoy explained Dunning-Kruger effect with climate scientists many years ago when he said, “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
Well said. And I might add….. when a sports figure comments about AGW be especially skeptical.
Or Bill Gates. Climate science isn’t his field either.
But he’s rich so he is an expert on everything. Same as Hollywood celebrities and sports heroes.
Plus his incredible wealth means he’s a better person than you are, who is poor.
Well, in the sense that he can hire publicists to make him look better/smarter/faster, yeah. Myself, however, am rich in toxic masculinity (testy-cals). You can’t beat a winning attitude!
Unfortunately 97% of the population does not understand this and are thus easily fooled.
But the other 12% do understand this and are also easily fooled. (:-))
The best part about “consensus” science…is that it’s a dead end
True. Science advances by overturning consensuses.
Mr Eschenbach, please allow me to improve on your rule of thumb of “When someone starts throwing mud, it’s a sure sign they’re out of real ammunition.”
I would rather say that “He who throws mud is losing ground.”
Cheers and thank you for your insights!
Losing ground or loosing ground? or both?
Both. Literally and figuratively.
I would go one further, Willis, and I don’t know who said it first, but “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
The claim that man-made CO2 is an existential threat to humanity is nothing if not an extraordinary claim. Yet, the evidence, which is composed of computer models that, admitted by their creators, to be far from complete and missing a critical component of the system they intend to model (the hydrological cycle; specifically, clouds), are consistently significantly inaccurate in their predictions. Further, it is quite clear climate scientists cannot even effectively explain temperature evolution over the last 2,000 years or 10,000 years. One would think the “extraordinary” evidence needed to support the wit contention would, at a minimum, require such an explanation.
The quotation is attributed to Carl Sagan, which he exclaimed while puffing on a huge bowl of cannabis.
But, Sagan did not originate it. He just popularized it with his TV series, COSMOS.
Supposedly, Sagan reworded Laplace’s principle, which says that “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3114207/
“. . . his TV series, COSMOS.”
And one would have to endure billy-uns and billy-uns of boring presentations before something of interest might appear on the show.
It’s really a 97% Collusion …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXR8751rC1I&t
Nice video!
Normally, I watch videos at 1.25 or 1.5X speed. On this one, I slowed it down to 0.25X in the middle.
Appreciate the comments. Fully understand the timing issue. I try to keep the videos short to retain the short attention span of the “walking-woke” people, but there’s soooo much alarmist fraud out there, it’s hard to pack it all in. I can easily make an entire video from each of the 97 “collusion” frames — but like Tony Heller says, there’s so much new propaganda being spewed that there’s nearly unlimited source material to work from.
Very clever presentation. I only had to stop it a few times to check on an image are two. I was very familiar with the examples you presented. Sadly warmunist won’t get it or won’t watch it and it’s maybe too sophisticated for the average person looking for the truth. The “walking woke” won’t even bother trying. They already know everything … and they’re morally superior as well.
Fully agree Rory. As for the “morally superior” woke … that sounds like my kids. But I keep on trying to present stuff they don’t know. This simpler video is made for those woke with even shorter attention spans …
One of your best, Willis
A related question is why the warmunists are so insistent on a consensus that the science is settled? I think it is because they know deep down that it isn’t. 4 decades of failed predictions will do that to even the most ardent believer.
“… they know deep down that it isn’t.“
The primary reason they won’t debate.
I think the 97% number must have its origin in a marketing study or something because I see it constantly being used everywhere in widely disparate matters. It’s too commonly used to not be suspect.
One of the earliest 97% consensus papers was entitled “Expert Credibility in Climate Change”.
Was the study trustworthy? The authors did not survey a broad set of scientists and engineers well versed in climate issues; instead, they arrived at this conclusion by reviewing publications written by a group of 1,372 researchers who often published papers on the topic of climate change and global warming. The authors of the study did not interview or poll these researchers; they concluded for themselves what the selected researchers support and what they don’t by nothing more than reading their papers. So should you trust their conclusions?
It’s completely proper to consider possible conflicts of interest. The study’s authors consisted of a climate campaigner for the Rainforest Action Network with a Master’s degree in BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION and a summer-school certificate in “Complex Systems” from the Chinese Academy of Sciences (Harold), a computer programmer with a double-degree in POLITICAL SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY (Prall), a STUDENT of Ecology, Evolution, and Population Biology (Anderegg), and a (now deceased) MECHANICAL ENGINEER working in “Environmental Biology and Global Change” (Schneider). Not only did these authors not have any demonstrated experience in climate science, each author had a severe conflict of interest as the result of their study would influence how much funding they would receive to continue their “work”.
In addition, their approach was highly flawed as the papers they reviewed were handpicked from journals known to be hostile to papers that criticize the poor quality of work done in the “Global Warming” field. Finally, they did not ever claim that there is a consensus that global warming will be catastrophic; that implication comes only from a vocal group of activists who are being dishonest.
Apparently, the marketers of those “4 out of 5 Doctors recommend…” commercials didn’t get the message. But then, It’s hard to get to 97% when all you have is 5 Doctors.
OTOH, if you ask 5 economists about anything, it’s easy to get 97% disagreement.
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See, 9 out of 10 cats prefer….. is far more credible – for starters, there’s twice as many as them dr’s. sarc
More like 110% disagreement.
Dictators typically get 97% approval votes in their fake elections.
Anyone who demands to know the level of education, the number of ‘peer-reviewed’ publications, or one’s job title, is engaging in a subtle form of ad hominem attack. What is implied, is that if one does not meet the unstated, and subject-to-change ‘standards’ of the person making the demand, then the thesis is not worthy of being addressed. That is exactly the opposite of the spirit of the Scientific Method where it is only the claims and supporting facts that are important. How many times have you run across a ‘troll’ making the above demands, as though they were the final arbiter on all things scientific?
Obama said ” The climate crisis is real, man made and dangerous.”
The IPCC states “all of the recent increase in atmospheric CO2 is caused by man”
These consensus statements are not supported by scientifically acquired knowledge but are, at least partially, accepted by wide swaths of both sides of the debate. When I tried to discuss the works of Harde, Berry and Salby that disprove the IPCC statement and therefore also Obama’s statement I am told that their work does not count because it is not in “Reputable Journals” or the authors are not trustworthy. All of the angst of this climate crisis movement is tied up in these two statements yet the reasonable, rationale, refutation of them and the implied corollary that we can fix that problem goes unexamined.
But the IPCC definitely never stated that. Unfortunately very few people actually read the reports themselves, and rely on alarmist Climate Scientologists and the media that parrot and exaggerate their wild and unsupported claims.
In fact, the actual IPCC reports, not the ‘summaries for policy makers’ written by politicians, state that there’s no actual problem. Any problems caused by any warming will be mitigated by changes in technology and society. And remember, this is AFTER the ‘denialist’ comments have been ignored and/or removed, and those disgusted with the IPCC process have abandoned it.
It is sad that one must read the details of WG1 to get an accurate summary of what it says. Politicians and liars (the same thing) write the SPM. The distortions are so egregious that it takes a scientifically illiterate population to be so scammed.
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“With a very high level of confidence, the increase in CO2emissions from fossil fuel burning and those arising from land use change are the dominant cause of the observed increase in atmosphericCO2concentration.”IPCC(2013,pp467-468)uses
reconstructed ice core data to support the core theory.
This statement from the WG1 report was the one I was remembering, I was clkoss enough to the essence of their statement.
The UN IPCC CliSciFi practitioners don’t seem to mention that the biosphere pulls out about half that produced by humans. This impacts their B.S. about CO2 remaining in the atmosphere for centuries. If one made a bunch of assumptions, one could calculate how long it would take for nature to completely obviate Man’s contributions if they ceased tomorrow; alot initially, declining exponentially over time.
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The UN certainly act as though they believe that statement. All their efforts to curtail use of fossil fuels speak clearly that they believe that course of action will control all the negative effects they perceive will be caused by the increase in CO2. All their RCP analesis assumes our use of fossil fuels is the main cause of increased readings at Mauna Loa.
Give it to them, its not worth arguing about. Their weakness is ESC; observations show it is not above 2. As the UN IPCC CliSciFi climate models continue to fail, the whole thing will fade.
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Problem with that is by then Biden and crew will have spent us into oblivion trying to cure the rise in CO2 that is NOT caused by our activities.
They still have to get it through the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee.
You sound as if you think the UN has some scientific basis, instead of merely political.
Oh yes, if its published in the all-popular Science, Nature, or Lancet, it MUST BE TRUE. This is the logic of intellectual lightweights – who populate MSM.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/under-fire-lancet-admits-conflict-interest-lab-leak-letter
If I bother to answer one of those trolls, I tell them that I successfully graduated from Mrs. McGraw’s 8th grade in 1958 and that’s all I really need to determine that “Global Warming” or whatever they’re calling it these days is mostly bullshit.
Who was it that popularized “Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten?”
Robert Fulghum
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Planck was influenced by the progression of quantum physics, a field that he was a pioneer in. He was describing the opposition to that field which has mostly stood the test of time (with several modifications/additions). Many of quantum physic’s early detractors slowly died off or were eventually sidelined. He was NOT describing how science in general progresses – there are multitudes of examples where a new theory, or new data, has upended conventional, but false, wisdom.
If you think Planck’s response describes Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, you’re truly ignorant, Sellin. CAGW has ALREADY been falsified by the failure of nearly every prediction it has ever made.
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Are you really going to argue that since Planck was right, therefore you are right?
Planck had the advantage that all of the data and all of the experiments supported his side.
With AGW, it’s just the opposite, all of the data refutes the climate scammers.
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Plank wasn’t wrong. You are! The AGW true believers have already been thoroughly falsified. Not one prediction based on the “science” has happened. What still has momentum is the politics of AGW, which has been wildly successful in pilfering trillions out of every economy that uses fossil fuels … except China. There is no “climate crisis” and never has been.
Same argument, just reworded.
Whether or not Planck was right or wrong is completely independent from whether you are right or wrong.
Name one prediction from UN climate models that has come true.
Just one.
As I said, you are truly ignorant, sell-out.
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It’s still true.
Larry, are you another Griff persona?
Lawrence uses big words. Not correctly, but he still uses them.
CAGW proponents is the correct term.
But CAGW skeptics already did wait. 30 years later, No tropical tropospheric hot spot detected, no acceleration of sea level rise detected, no end of arctic summer ice detected, it still snows in Europe in winter, polar bears are not extinct, the CO2 levels keep rising but no business as usual Hansen predicted warming rate noted.
At some point the goal posts will stop moving. When do you think that will happen?
Except that climate modeling. All you have is new religion and unbound zealotry.
And when the delusional generation dies, we may get lucky and go back to objectivity.
That was certainly the way the battle against Puerperal fever (aka Childbed Fever) was won. As the old doctors who believed in magic doctor hands died off, the younger ones learned to wash their filthy hands. Unfortunately, it also took the funeral of the doctor who discovered the cause of Puerperal Fever as well. Ignaz Semmelweiss died broke and in a madhouse because the established doctors couldn’t accept that they were ALL wrong about their filthy hands groping around in women giving birth.
Sadly, the germ theory of infectious disease was still in its infancy in the mid 19th century. It took Koch, Pasteur and many others’ work before the idea worked its way down the ranks to the country doctors and the mid wives … who all had a wealth of experience and they “knew what they knew“.
Please take time to actually find out how Planck made his discovery.
The Philosophy of Physics: Planck’s Spiritual Testament – Rising Tide Foundation
as I posted above.
Then look at the various climate players again.
What are you selling?