Modeling Unreality

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In the comments to a previous post of mine, Bob Wentworth made an interesting point. He said that it’s not enough to propound my new theory of how the climate works. I also have to show that my theory that emergent climate phenomena control the climate is not included in the current climate models and theory. I’d not thought of that before, and it’s a very valid point.

So I decided to see how the models treat the question of how the oceans, and in particular the tropical oceans, respond to downwelling radiation at the surface. To do this, I looked at the correlation between downwelling radiation and sea surface temperature (SST). If the correlation is positive, it means that when the radiation goes up the temperature goes up. And if the correlation is negative, when the temperature goes up, the radiation actually goes down.

So below are the results from five different climate models, showing the response of the oceans to net downwelling radiation at the surface. The net solar radiation is the downwelling solar (shortwave, or “SW”) radiation less what is reflected upwards from the surface, plus the downwelling infrared radiation (longwave, or “LW”) from the clouds and the atmosphere. This is the so-called “greenhouse radiation”

What’s improperly but inalterably called “greenhouse radiation” starts out as energy absorbed by the atmosphere—absorbed solar energy, sensible and latent heat moved from the surface to the atmosphere, and radiation from the surface of the earth that is absorbed by the gases, including greenhouse gases (GHGs) in the atmosphere—water vapor, CO2, methane, and other minor gases. Once the radiation and the other energy is absorbed, it warms the atmosphere. And since anything that can absorb radiation also can emit radiation, those greenhouse gases radiate the absorbed solar, sensible, latent, and radiated heat in all directions.

This downwelling radiation resulting from the atmosphere is what is known as “greenhouse radiation”.

This “greenhouse radiation”, the downwelling radiation from the atmosphere, leaves the surface warmer than it would be if there were no greenhouse gases—if there were no GHGs, the upwelling surface radiation would go straight to space and be lost. But instead, the upwelling surface radiation is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere about half of it is returned to the surface.

(Important note: the above is all well-established science. The downwelling radiation from both the atmosphere and the clouds has been measured, not modeled or estimated, by thousands of scientists around the planet for decades. There’s an entire network of observing sites around the US called SURFRAD, which as the name implies do nothing but measure the radiation flows, both shortwave radiation (sunshine) and longwave radiation (thermal radiation) to and from the surface. Here’s a typical 24-hour measurement of the downwelling infrared (longwave) “greenhouse radiation” from one of the SURFRAD stations.

Figure 1. Downwelling longwave (thermal) radiation from the atmosphere, AKA “greenhouse radiation”, as measured at the Table Mountain SURFRAD station. SOURCE

Now, as I said, there’s no question that such downwelling radiation from the atmosphere is real and leaves the earth warmer than it would be without GHGs. As a result, I politely invite people who do not think that such downwelling radiation is real or that it leaves the earth warmer to take up that argument anywhere but on this thread. This thread is NOT a place to debate the existence of downwelling radiation from the atmosphere. It is a place to discuss the size and nature of the effect of that radiation. So let me be perfectly clear—I will delete any comments that claim that downwelling radiation from the atmosphere doesn’t exist or that it doesn’t leave the earth warmer than in its absence. I’m more than happy for you to debate the existence of downwelling radiation … but please, do it anywhere but on this thread, thanks. And please, don’t whine like a baby about how I’m the krool science police. It’s not gonna work, I’ll just delete that as well. With the caveats clearly stated, let me return to the discussion.)

So here are the results from 5 different climate models, showing the correlation between downwelling “greenhouse” radiation at the surface, and sea surface temperature.

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Figures 2 a-e. Results from five climate models involved in CMIP5, the “Climate Model Intercomparison Project”. All of them have used the same data—”ts”, the surface temperature; “rlds”, longwave downwelling surface radiation; “rsds”, shortwave downwelling surface radiation, and “rsus”, shortwave upwelling surface radiation. The model results are all available from the World Climate Research Program. And there’s a list of the variables here.

There are several things of interest in these model results. First, they vary greatly in the amount of ocean that is negatively correlated with downwelling radiation. The MIROC model at the bottom (e) has almost no ocean with a negative correlation to radiation, while the NorESM model (d) has a much larger area.

Second, the strongest correlation is near the poles, with correlations between 0.8 to nearly 1.0.

Third, the average correlation in the tropics is quite varied—0.22, 0.25, 0.36, 0.45, and 0.45 for the various models. And the same is true about global average correlation.

So with that as prologue, here is the actual reality as determined from different observations.

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Figures 3 a-c. Results from comparing CERES satellite-based radiation datasets with the Reynolds Optimally Interpolated (Reynolds OI) sea surface temperature (SST), Berkeley Earth SST, and CERES SST.

Some notes about these. First, despite using different datasets, unlike the models they are very close in all values

Second, the correlation near the poles is much smaller than that shown in all of the models.

Third, all of them show larger amounts of negative correlation in the tropics, as well as globally, than do any of the five models.

There’s another way to look at this same data. This is to look at a scatterplot of the longer-term (a couple of decades) averages of the gridcell surface temperatures versus the corresponding average amount of net surface radiation each gridcell receives. Here, for example, is the CERES radiation data versus the Reynolds SST data.

Figure 4. Scatterplot of temperature of the 43,350 1° latitude by 1° longitude oceanic gridcells versus the net downwelling surface gridcell radiation. The black/red line shows a LOWESS smooth of the data. The slope of the LOWESS smooth shows the change in surface temperature for each additional W/m2 of downwelling radiation. Values are longer-term (two-decade) averages of the gridcell variables.

This represents the long-term relationship between downwelling radiation and ocean temperature. The ocean has had hundreds of years to adjust itself to the average amount of downwelling radiation. Note that in the warmest parts of the ocean, the correlation between the radiation and temperature goes negative—as one goes up the other goes down. This is what we saw in the tropics in Figures 3 a-c.

Now, to compare this to other datasets, it’s not too meaningful to include the 43,350 individual data points. So first, let me compare the LOWESS smooth of the data in Figure 3 with the LOWESS smooths of the corresponding data for the other two observational sea surface temperature (SST) datasets, the Berkeley Earth SST data, and the CERES SST data.

Figure 4. LOWESS smooths of scatterplots of net downwelling radiation and sea surface temperatures, observational data.

Other than a small difference near the poles, close to the edge of the sea ice where the water is just above freezing, all three observational datasets are in good agreement. And again, at the warm end of the scale at the right, we see the correlation go negative in all the datasets.

Next, let me compare the LOWESS smooths of the models in the same fashion.

Figure 5. LOWESS smooths of scatterplots of net downwelling radiation and sea surface temperatures, computer model results. Note that only one of them, NorESM, goes negative at the warmest sea surface temperatures.

Again they are similar … but in this case the difference is in the warmest areas. As we saw in Figures 2 above, they differ greatly in the area of the warm ocean where the correlation between radiation and temperature goes negative.

And to close out this part of the discussion, Figure 6 below shows the data in Figure 5, with the observational data from Figure 4 overlaid on the top.

Figure 6. LOWESS smooths of scatterplots of net downwelling radiation and sea surface temperatures, computer model results plus CERES observational data.

Now, my theory about emergent climate phenomena says that at the warmest ocean temperatures, the action of thunderstorms will strongly cool the sea surface … as we see in the observational plots above.

Here’s further evidence that the thunderstorms strongly cool the surface at the highest temperatures. Figure 7 below shows the “net cloud radiative effect” (CRE). Clouds cool the surface by blocking the sun. They also warm the surface by absorbing upwelling longwave from the surface, about half of which is radiated back to the surface. The “net cloud radiative effect” is the sum of the warming and the cooling effects. Here’s the map of the surface net cloud radiative effect.

Figure 7. CERES surface net cloud radiative effect versus Reynolds sea surface temperature.

Note the great strength of cooling at warm sea surface temperatures, up to as much as ~ 70 W/m2 of cooling in certain locations. This is about half of the global ~ 160 W/m2 of average solar energy at the surface. This is what causes the negative correlation between radiation and temperature in the warmest parts of the ocean.

My theory also says that the increase in sea surface temperatures will be slower than it would be otherwise, due to the action of a variety of emergent phenomena acting to cool the surface. And we see that as well in Figure 5 above.

So … does this establish that my theory about emergent climate phenomena is true?

Nope. It’s more support, but its far from establishing it.

However, it does strongly suggest that emergent climate phenomena are not realistically included in the climate models.

Finally, Figures 2 a-e of this analysis reveals the huge differences between just these five climate models … so next time someone says the models are “physics-based”, you’ll know that they’re talking Hollywood.

What do I mean by “talking Hollywood”?

Well, it’s like when Hollywood says a movie is “based on a true story” …

My best wishes to all, stay well in these most curious times …

w.

Post Scriptum: I must confess that I am quite baffled by how mainstream climate scientists handle the whole subject of climate models. Clearly, as shown in Figures 2 a-e above, certain models are fairly close to at least some aspects of reality, while others are very far from reality. For example, the MIROC model shown in Figure 2 (e) is clearly missing some very important aspects of oceanic behavior, while the Norwegian model NorESM Figure 3 (d) gives much more realistic results.

But all of that gets ignored by the mainstream scientists. All of the results of the different climate models are given equal weight, the group is called an “ensemble”, and a simple average of all of their output is taken to be a valid result … say what?

If I ran the zoo, I would get the modelers together and devise some simple tests, something akin to the graphs and regional measurements in Figures 2 a-e above, but covering many other aspects of the real climate system. I would have a competition wherein we could evaluate and rank all of the models based on how well they passed those tests. Not only that, but I would use the tests to examine and elucidate the reasons why some models do so much better than others.

I would also use things like Figure 6 above to work to understand why all of the models that I tested are in one tight bunch, and all the observational datasets are in another tight bunch … what are the models missing?

I have no explanation for why the modelers deal with the models in this curious hands-off “everyone is equal” manner. However, as many folks are more than happy to remind me, I’m merely a fool without any credentials, just three lifetimes or so of personal experience at solving real-world problems … so I’m clearly unqualified to opine on really complex sciency things like climate models.

It does, however, remind me of modern education, where people want to get rid of the SAT and other tests and even get rid of grades so all the students can feel good about themselves.

Similarly, it appears that the scientists just want to give every model a “Participation Prize” so they don’t damage any of the modelers’ precious self-esteem … and sadly, this is what passes for “science” in the climate world.

My Usual Request: QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING! I can’t tell you how many times folks have twisted, misrepresented, or spun my words and then attacked me regarding their fantasy of what I said. Misunderstandings are the bane of the intarwebs.

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Toto
May 27, 2021 9:47 am

Well, it’s like when Hollywood says a movie is “based on a true story” …”

Very insightful. Story tellers, including “climate scientists”, take a story and embellish it to make it better. It’s human nature. They fix it by making it fit the message better, making it more obvious to dummies, more dramatic, and sometimes more over the top. And in the end, it is too good to be true.

Journalists, including “climate scientists”, report what they see and do not report what they have overlooked, and they do not suffer from the “what am I missing?” syndrome.

Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2021 10:25 am

Figure 6 below shows the “net cloud radiative effect” (CRE).

I believe that should say “Figure 7 …”

Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2021 10:30 am

What do I mean by “talking Hollywood”?

Biogeopoetic license!

Greg Bone
May 27, 2021 12:38 pm

I agree with the ability of greenhouse gasses to absorb some specific radiation bands. I also agree with its ability to radiate around half of it back ( minus horizon math). What I don’t agree with is that they have more than a negligible effect if taken in true context.
Energy diagrams consistently show large amounts of energy being stored in atmospheric particles through both conduction at the surface as well as the process of evaporation (the earth is like a giant swamp cooler with wind and water everywhere encapsulating energy into water vapour through the process of evaporation), Neither of these processes have anything to do with the greenhouse theory but from a physics point of view this is trapped atmospheric energy exactly like the absorbed greenhouse energy. The only way for this energy off the earth and it must get off is via radiation and half of that energy will be back radiated.
These processes capture and reradiate far far more energy than CO2 could ever possibly do (just look at the energy diagrams and calculations) but apparently only greenhouse gas reradiation counts or am I missing something?

Greg Bone
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 27, 2021 6:44 pm

No – I read that. My point is that all gasses radiate ie cool not just greenhouse gasses. Most downwelling radiation comes from sources other than greenhouse gasses. Otherwise you are saying that nitrogen or oxygen can’t cool in a vacuum. These other gasses also pick up energy through conduction from irradiated gasses because they make up 95% of the atmosphere so most conduction loss will be to non greenhouse gasses which again have to radiate this energy because there is no other way for this energy to balance.

Greg Bone
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 27, 2021 9:25 pm

When you say this energy is very rapidly shared among all of the gases present, doesn’t that means this energy is mostly spread to the other 95% non greenhouse gasses? If these particles aren’t radiating this energy then all this energy must be conductively passed to the nearest greenhouse gas particle for radiation which then would imply that they would be emitting far larger levels of radiation than that which they themselves had trapped. This trapped energy must be radiated to space whatever the method in order to maintain energy balance.

Mostly I’m pointing out other processes that trap energy that are not part of the general greenhouse theory but which no matter how must be radiated from the planet to maintain an energy balance between energy in and out. This would imply a high back radiation from processes which do not trap energy in the way that general greenhouse theory suggests and you have to radiate this energy to get rid of it.

I also remember reading an article from what I believe was Popular Science back in the 70s so I don’t know how valid the science is now or if it really was more of a detection rather than intensity issue but apparently NASA set up an experiment on I believe Mount Palomar where they focused one of their telescopes on the upper earth atmosphere. The article then went on to explain that they immediately found the back radiation signature of Nitrogen. The next day they found the back radiation signatures of both argon and oxygen but it was several weeks before they were able to find the signatures from water vapour and carbon dioxide. I admit that I took this story as a measure of the strength of each radiation when it may not have been but it sure made me think.

leitmotif
Reply to  Greg Bone
May 28, 2021 3:15 am

Shhh, Greg. Willis will delete you if you are caught talking sense.

Greg Bone
Reply to  leitmotif
May 28, 2021 9:44 am

I actually very much appreciate Willis’s feedback. I don’t really look at these sciences in the detail that he does but I do have questions about the science that maybe no one else is asking and he may well have the answers which allows me to be more comfortable with the science.

I actually do have one more thought about global warming which is more a thought process than anything else.

What happens in a world where there are no greenhouse gasses? Just oxygen and nitrogen and perhaps a lot of conduction at the surface. Since these two gasses aren’t able to radiate well wouldn’t they need to trap heat in order to raise to a temperature that balanced incoming conduction with outgoing radiation? Wouldn’t this be a greenhouse effect without the greenhouse gasses? And once it does raise to the temperature that radiates this energy wouldn’t there be a lot of back radiation going on all minus greenhouse gasses? Just asking because might not there be a bit of this going on in a suppressed manner within the earth’s atmosphere?

Eben
May 27, 2021 1:23 pm

DELETED — this is NOT the thread for that argument. As I said, I’m happy for you to make the argument … just not on this thread of mine. Here, it is an irrelevant distraction.

w.

Reply to  Eben
May 27, 2021 3:47 pm

DELETED—Are you unable to follow a simple request, or are you going out of your way to be unpleasant? TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE!

w.

dk_
Reply to  RickWill
May 27, 2021 4:49 pm

RickWill,
I sincerely welcome your effort, as some of the dimwits have taken Willis’ simple statement of ground rules (Re: David Snowden on speaking as an adult to children) as too much of a challenge themselves.
Cheers.

Eben
Reply to  Eben
May 27, 2021 7:06 pm

That post was not any argument , it was purely a prediction , I will refine it some more , post it again for sure

Ferdberple
May 27, 2021 5:28 pm

get rid of grades
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Next they will get rid of students. Oh wait….

eyesonu
May 27, 2021 5:30 pm

Willis says: “If I ran the zoo, I would get the modelers together and devise some simple tests, something akin to the graphs and regional measurements in Figures 2 a-e above, but covering many other aspects of the real climate system. I would have a competition wherein we could evaluate and rank all of the models based on how well they passed those tests.”

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Well if ran that zoo, I would get the modelers together and call it a ‘tree ring circus’!

Ferdberple
May 27, 2021 5:35 pm

The tight grouping of models in fig 6 along with the divergence suggests the models share a common error in dealing wirh cold. They all over estimate downwelling radiation and thus will run hot.

Unless it is shared code it points to an error in theory.

Reply to  Ferdberple
May 29, 2021 3:39 pm

IMO it points to the fact the GCMs aren’t projecting climate and are projecting an expectation set by tuning to match the recorded past. Models are fits (because clouds are fits) and so they will faithfully reproduce and project from recent rapid warming phases and have overshot the reality of the last 20 years.

Tom
May 27, 2021 5:39 pm

Once again Willis, thank you for your postings. Very interesting.

May 28, 2021 3:15 am

Willis writes “I have no explanation for why the modelers deal with the models in this curious hands-off “everyone is equal” manner.”

If a model is declared as a GCM then it has to be included in the ensemble for the same reason all the proxy data has to be included in the calculation.

You can’t throw away the ones you don’t like or you’re guaranteed to generate hockey sticks.

May 28, 2021 9:11 am

Willis,
It occurs to me that Ceres sensors see whatever Earthly radiation falls on them, way out in their orbit. When Ceres data includes numbers for sea surface downwelling IR, these are not actual readings from the satellites sensors, but are back-calculated from the best parameters available from research papers that are using ground level data. There is a fairly large possibilty of confirming the same correlations that models use, assuming the models and Ceres follow the same published papers.

May 28, 2021 9:30 am

I have no explanation for why the modelers deal with the models in this curious hands-off “everyone is equal” manner.

C’mon, you know why. 😉

dk_
May 28, 2021 8:14 pm

Willis,
I’m throwing this bit down on what may be a dead or dying thread. I think we were distracted from a couple parts I wanted to get your thoughts on. At least if this posts, I may be able to find it later.
In reverse order:

Unfortunately, for my sins, I’m supposed to know (just enough to be dangerous) how software is designed, developed, tested, and deployed. You may read whatever you wish into the simple fact that I’m not doing that any more. Your post scriptum discussion of climate modeling looks to me a lot like it should be aimed toward that field. Just an observation, but models are software, and it takes a really well organized and run organization to get it and keep it right. Even with the strictest, highest standards, software development by a group is a craft and not a science. Since the climategate e-mails (as Rud’s book is reminding me) we’ve known that some climate scientists are hiding behind the data protection act to prevent examination and validation of code. If this wasn’t true, I’m pretty sure some of the things that Chris Moncton seems to be working on (in my view, reverse-engineering) wouldn’t be necessary, they’d be in full view for the public, or at least peer reviewers, to see. Without the ability to deeply audit the development and execution of the software models, we only have the word of the scientists as to what actually went on in development or in the test runs. My personal feeling is that software execution offered as part of a scientific conclusion must be fully examined and verified as part of the scientific review process, or the conclusion assumed to be invalid and baseless.

Re:

I also have to show that my theory that emergent climate phenomena control the climate is not included in the current climate models and theory.

Somewhere in this thread I was trying to pull on the idea that your problem statement seems too broad, and may be unsolvable. This is a non-scientific feeling and not something I can verify. It would seem more useful to seek to concentrate on falsifying your thunderstorm work, then proceeding on to perhaps other varieties and descriptions of emergent cooling behavior, or to identify some of those other examples of cooling behaviors, and later see if they can be falsified en masse or in type-sorted groups.

Lastly, I was trying to extract from Rud an explicit statement that he’d already established that thunderstorms can’t be found in models. He has said it several times, and may find my attempts to get him to say it again annoying. His reasoning seems good to me, and is documented in his book, which also contains his references for his research. Again, I think that this means your problem statement is not the real problem. But today (late yesterday?) the post The temperature-CO2 climate connection in WUWT seems to me to give additional support to Rud’s conclusion. I’m still digesting the paper, but in my words it seems to say that a top-down system model can’t really incorporate small-scale emergent behaviors — or precisely what you seem to be looking for. Either Rud and Pascal Richet have already solved your problem, or perhaps it is not the right statement of the problem.

I do not pretend to have any of yours, Bob’s, or Rud’s expertise, and would rather have gotten somewhere close to this point bumbling around pseudo-Socratically, because I learn and remember better that way. I am at a point where I will have to withdraw from posting for a while, so I needed to put this down. I hope that something of my fiddling observations are slightly useful to you.

Wish you luck.

Johan
May 30, 2021 11:38 pm

Very good and interesting work. We looked once at a different approach to quantify the model performance, look at https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10138/170123 . The inherent response times in models does not seem to match reality.

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