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Aussie Government: Blood Clotting Case Likely Linked to Astra-Zeneca Covid Vaccine

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Michael Kidd has stated that a blood clotting problem which led to a vaccine recipient being hospitalised was likely linked to the Astra-Zeneca Covid-19 Vaccine. Note the USA mostly sources vaccines from Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer.

Melbourne blood-clotting case ‘likely’ linked to AstraZeneca vaccine, Deputy CMO says

By Michael Doyle

Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer says it is “likely” there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a Melbourne man being hospitalised with blood clots.

“Given how consist of the clinical features are in this case, with some similar cases which have been seen overseas, it is likely that this case, which is reported, is related to the vaccine,” he said.

He said investigations were ongoing.

“The risks of serious side effects remain very low,” Professor Kidd said.

“But safety is paramount, which is why ATAGI and the TGA continue to do due diligence on this case.

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It is obviously unsettling to read about cases of adverse reactions, but in my opinion the balance of risk still favours vaccination. The original Covid death rate was around 2% 0.5-1%. Although improved therapeutics have brought the Covid death rate way down, the health risk associated with catching Covid appears to be significantly worse than the risk of a severe adverse reaction to the vaccine.

Correction (EW): h/t Andy – The 2% was based on my incorrect memory of a WHO estimate, but my memory was wrong – the WHO estimated 0.5-1% after taking into consideration an estimate of asymptomatic or mild cases which were not accounted for in original estimates. I’m not sure how good the WHO estimate is, other estimates range from 0.1% to 25%, according to the WHO, so feel free to throw a dart.

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April 3, 2021 2:06 pm

I always find it usefuk to read stuff from somebody who knows about this sort of thing, rather than media medics or political “experts”.

Reply to  john
April 3, 2021 2:14 pm

Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Michael Kidd is none of them knowing about ?

Reply to  john
April 3, 2021 2:19 pm

“of thrombosis associated with low platelets which have been reported”

I read, that in Germany exist about 16,000 registered persons with that anomaly, how many don’t know it, no idea. But if known, better not get Astra Zeneca.

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No one
April 3, 2021 2:07 pm

Just have to determine who is more at risk from adverse reactions, and who is not. No unspeakable categories, if you please.

Reply to  No one
April 6, 2021 10:15 am

There are 98 symptoms of Long Term Covid… ranging from ‘personality change’ to ‘herpes’.

‘Feeling irritable’ or being ‘confused’ may be an indicator that you have Long Covid.

‘Weight Gain’ ….
‘Sadness’ …
‘Diarrhea’ (leading to weight loss?) …

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M Courtney
April 3, 2021 2:15 pm

In the UK about half the population have been vaccinated ad there have been 8 cases of this.
Meaning that 1 in 600,000 chance of this adverse reaction. Assuming that all the blood clot cases are caused by the vaccine and not coincidental. It’s the worst-case.

Compare that to the risk of Covid, Or even just to the risk of living with Long Covid.
Take the vaccine.

And if offered take the other, less scrutinised vaccines too. They are still safer than the virus.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 2:29 pm

In UK around 30 persons have been affected, 3 or 4 died, that’s what I read in German news.
Same in Germany, with less vaccinated people. Norway started reporting several cases, don’t remember the number.

William Astley
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 3, 2021 3:28 pm

I disagree with the thoughtless statement that Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine is safe and the ‘risk’ is worth it.

What are the options? Is this the most effective covid vaccine? No.

We do not know how many people in the general population are at risk of getting blood clots due to this vaccine.

Could more people be affected? i.e. Did some people get blood clots that caused damage and they were not aware?

Will there be other related long term issues?

What is the mechanism? Why not stop the use of AstraZeneca vaccine, until this problem is resolve?

The manufacturers/regulatories needs to understand the problem and either manage it (develop a test to screen patients most at risk), if that is possible… or this vaccine might not be used in the future.

This is not an experiment. Most Western Governments will not force people to take a dangerous vaccine, if there are options. And if the options provide better protection against covid than AstraZeneca…. why use AstraZeneca.

These are real people not numbers.

A married 47 year Italian naval officer with children and no previous health issues dies of cerebral blood clots, the next day after getting a jab of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

“The data released by the MHRA on Friday showed 22 cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) which is a type of blood clot in the brain.”
Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine

There are practical safe alternatives to using a vaccine. Covid is changing. Will the vaccines protect against covid?

India is defeating covid using invermectin and their population’s high Vitamin D status which we could copy using Vitamin D supplements. 

Seven people have died from unusual blood clots after getting the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, the medicines regulator has confirmed to the BBC.
The covid death rate in India is 0.13 %. 162,000 deaths/12 million cases = 0.13%
The covid death rate in the US has been re-estimated by the CDC and is now less than 1 percent from those who are less than 69 years old.
CDC Data Shows High Virus Survival Rate: 99%-Plus for Ages 69 and Younger, 94.6% for Older
“The economy is flying,” Dr. Tarek Alam, who led several studies on the drug’s efficacy, told me in an email. “Hospitals have empty COVID beds and the initial demand for ICU has come down.” Indeed, Bangladesh – the world’s most densely populated country — has an even lower fatality rate than India, ranking 126th globally.

M Courtney
Reply to  William Astley
April 3, 2021 4:07 pm

The AZ vaccine has some advantages. You are putting perfect ahead of the good. Nothing is perfect.

1) The AZ vaccine is cheap. It’s sold at cost for each region. Paying more means there is less healthcare money for other problems We are not invulnerable to everything that is not Covid.
2) The AZ vaccine can be transported at fridge temperature. So it’s far more useful. The nurse tied up with maintaining exceptional cold chains is not doing their normal job. Which is a loss.
3) The AZ vaccine is available. Why wait for what isn’t there?
Wait for the Pfizer then…no wait for the Sputnik…no, wait for the Moderna… no, wait for the peach of immortality. Or the Philosopher’s Stone

Where will it end? If something’s better than Covid, Take it.

Think of those who might catch Covid from you while you wibble away your options.

Big Al
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 5:45 pm

Bill Gates wants you to take this gene therapy fake vaccine shot. Injection containing dead baby juice. No thanks. D3 + K. HQC , ZINC, CURE.

Reply to  Big Al
April 3, 2021 11:44 pm

Is it still April Fools day?

Reply to  Redge
April 4, 2021 4:23 am

April Fools day… is forevaaah.

Romans 9 to 4 🙂

William Astley
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 6:59 pm

The AZ vaccine was less effective than Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines during initial testing.

It is difficult to push a vaccine that is less effective and that has side effects.

In Canada people have a choice concerning covid vaccines. The Can government must purchase the vaccine based on their ability to convince people to use the vaccine, not force the people to use the vaccine.

If the one covid vaccine is significantly more effective in reducing the covid death rate and stopping the spread of covid in a country, than the AstraZeneca vaccine or any of the other vaccines which are not the ‘best’ covid vaccine.

Countries like Canada who purchase vaccines and have no local production, will be forced by their citizens to purchase the most effective covid vaccine.

Covid is different in that it might be possible that one covid vaccine system is more effective at stopping covid and at being adapted to stop covid variations.

Covid vaccines will be judged based on their ability to stop the spread of covid and the covid death rate.

Covid isolation and mask wearing is costly and culture killing.

Is there one vaccine that can stop the isolation and mask wearing?

The Moderna vaccine is 90% effective at stopping people from getting infected from covid (first version of covid).
AstraZeneca COVID vaccine 70% effective vs B117 variant
Data from a UK phase 2/3 clinical trial suggest the AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID-vaccine is 70.4% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the B117 variant, which was identified in the United Kingdom in late 2020.


Reply to  William Astley
April 6, 2021 6:46 am

BUT AZ vaccine is almost 100% effective at preventing hospitalisations. Hence the massive drop off in hospital cases in the UK. This surely is the key metric – sit at home and recover and lets get on with our lives.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:13 pm

Where will it end? If something’s better than Covid, Take it.

See this is where your argument falls over. “Better than Covid”.

The big problem here is the China Virus has been around for long enough we can now stop trusting numbers the Imperial College pulled out of their lunch wrappers and look at some real world numbers.

China Virus, some 14 months ago, was so deadly we were promised figures in the league of 1 in 1000. We were all likely to lose family members. There was a real risk of dead on the streets. The hospital system was going to be overrun and we needed desperately ventilators to the extent that some ‘experts’ were demanding countries convert their ENTIRE manufacturing output over to mask and ventilator production.

(and stood by these claims for months. Points for having the courage to stand by your claims I guess.)

Now? Sorry, but NONE OF THIS HAPPENED. Ratio of WITH to FROM was casually admitted to be 17:1. Media went from talking about Deaths, to Hospitalisations and finally New Cases. The ratio of Tests to Cases is over 1000:1 in some nations, with the ratio of Cases to Hospitalistion and Hospitalistion to Death making the entire situation for anyone under the age of 50 a compete farce. In Australia if you are under 50 you have more chance of being attacked by a shark.

The China Virus is the thing that opens Death’s Door when you are already knocking on it.

Our Government constantly reminds us that you may have it and not even know. The Government tells us this. They wouldn’t possibly lie to us, would they?

So, if I have the choice of catching the China Virus and not even knowing, or taking a vaccination (NOT a cure) that people are sheepishly confessing has a decent chance of side effects AND a 1 in 600,000 chance of actually KILLING ME, then I would rather ignore both and get on with my life. And before you try and guilt trip me, statistics show it is actually very hard to spread the China Virus and, as mentioned before, even if it does spread the victims may not even realise they have it.

OR I can encourage a programme that is known to cause deaths and, as an example, would statistically kill roughly 40 people in Australia alone AND only REDUCE the risk of the China Virus.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
April 4, 2021 12:19 pm

Yet, you will routinely get into an automobile which carries a risk of 10,000 to 1 of death or serious injury. Risk avoidance is either a way of life for you or it’s not. You can’t be too careful now, can you?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:25 pm

Also, while I am disagreeing with your entire premise, let us talk about actual treatments of the China Virus and how they are banned because they have ‘health risks’.

We are constantly told that the use of Anti Malaria drugs is evil because they can in large does lead to heart complications.

So, let us assume you are one of those people who not only caught the China Virus (still waiting on those Super Spreader events to kick in and are mildly wondering how if some of Biden’s guests are being found to have China Virus, why it hasn’t spread in the space of a few days throughout the entirety of the detention centres), but also actually get sick from it to the extent that medical staff place you in intensive care.

They decide your life IS actually in danger and COULD give you anti malaria except that MIGHT also give you heart problems if they are forced to give you a lot of it. So… sod it, you can just die of China Virus? Right?

Or do you say “Possible heart problems are better than dying with Covid, Take it”?

So the mixed messages we are getting here?

Proven treatment of Covid? No – that has side effects so DON’T

Vaccine that reduces (not eliminates) the chance of CATCHING the China Virus? That is perfectly fine as only a few of you will have fatal blood clotting.

Risk reduction in the real world works on So Far As Is Reasonably Practical. If your risk reduction strategy actually creates more risks, it is probably pretty stupid.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
April 4, 2021 12:25 am

According to Scientific American Lockdown sceptics are worse than Stalin and are causing Mass Deaths

Scientific American Compares Lockdown Sceptics to Stalin and Accuses Them of Causing ‘Mass Death’ – Lockdown Sceptics

Surely this isn’t the same publication that used to be genuinely Scientific?


Reply to  tonyb
April 4, 2021 6:41 am

Still not as bad as how Gulag sceptics and doubters were considered and treated during Stalin’s Rule.

Still just at the stage of blatant accusations,
not yet any request or cry out for penalizing,
in accordance with the blatancy of the accusations…like as in the “enemy of the state”!


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Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:26 pm

In simple terms, believe the corrupt partisan government health agencies that have consistently lied about COVID-19 from the start.

Agencies that have actively blocked access to known proven yet inexpensive medicines and treatments.

The vaccine I received included my signing acknowledgement that there is no such thing as an “approved” COVID-19 vaccine.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ATheoK
April 4, 2021 1:27 pm

In Australia the term used is “emergency use approved” for these vaccines. When I point this out to people who believe media/Govn’t announcements that the vaccines are “approved” when in fact they are “emergency use approved” I am called an idiot. There is a big difference.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 5, 2021 12:36 pm

“Think of those who might catch Covid from you while you wibble away your options.”

Why would they catch Covid from me? Didn’t they get vaccinated on their own?

And if they feel that they need more protection than the stated effectiveness (it is stated somewhere, right … what is it?) of a single vaccination, they can go back and get a second vaccination … it has been said that another vaccination would up the efficacy.

So, instead of someone wringing their hands over catching Covid from someone else (even after being vaccinated) they should go get a booster.

(I don’t think the all knowing Fauci has used the term booster yet. It will be coming soon. When it does, will you expect me to get a booster as well?)

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M Courtney
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 3, 2021 3:40 pm

You are right. And wrong.
It is 30 cases to get 1 in 600,000.

The logic still stands. Take the jab.

Here is the link that shows I am right about the policy and you are right about 30 cases,
Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine – BBC News

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 5:49 pm

M Courtney

The logic still stands. Take the jab.

Man, not meaning to spoil it for you, but what logic is there?

Playing the cons of the vaccine in this case, the side effects,
as pros, is illogical.

Yeah, true, thus far the cons, side effects, or negative effects, of the vaccines there for COVID19 are very little,
kinda less than in the case of a placebo.

But placebos are cheap as chips, kinda like water… almost free…



Reply to  whiten
April 3, 2021 11:51 pm

Thats not logic – that is stupidity.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:29 pm

Believe the BBC?

Whatever for!?
It’s well known BBC lies at every chance.

Perhaps it is because BBC preaches what you like?

James F. Evans
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:35 pm

Long term negative side effects?

No one knows.


Because there haven’t been long term studies.

Go ahead and be a guinea pig.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:58 pm

But that is only one of the risks, which you are comparing to the risk of COVID if it infects 100% of the population (very unlikely). Even 1 in 600k would be an unacceptable risk for children and adults under 20 because it matches or exceeds the risk from COVID. For others between 20-45 it is a matter of personal judgement; the benefit/risk is not so great that the decision is clear. Personally I would recommend family members to get vaccinated, but I find the bullying tactics of the government and public health officials to be disgusting and highly unethical.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 11:49 pm

No thanks. No need to vaccinate against the wuhan flu and then still get it and spread it. This is brainwashed and sheepish behavior. None of the so-called vaccines are properly tested and may have adverse long-term effects we know nothing about. l not vaccinate not for COVID ever. Stop trying to force me to join you. I am not interested and I won’t do it – in many parts of the world, it is impractical anyway.

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Patrick MJD
Reply to  gary
April 4, 2021 2:10 pm

Many people who have fallen for the vaccination sc@m do believe they won’t pass on the virus.

Get the jab? No thanks!

Reply to  M Courtney
April 4, 2021 8:28 am

Why I’m wrong ?
I only told about the numbers I read about.

Paul C
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 3, 2021 7:08 pm

In the UK 30 affected by the very rare thrombosis, however, 713 have died after vaccination (The MHRA has received 283 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 421 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine and 9 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.)
These are assumed to have been elderly who would have died anyway. Completely different rules are applied to counting those who died after being tested positive for SARS-Cov2, and those who died after vaccination.

Reply to  Paul C
April 4, 2021 1:21 am

713 out of 18 million… died after, not of.

That is what you’d expect, considering UK started with oldest part of its population…

Paul C
Reply to  griff
April 4, 2021 3:59 pm

And the age-standardised mortality for the UK was 1,043.50 for 2020 which follows a low previous year (925), and around 966 for the three years before that. So death rate for 2020 was similar to that of a decade earlier – a blip on a declining trend, with a “dry tinder” situation where there had not been a recent bad flu season. “That is what you’d expect” in a fairly bad flu year.
What you would not expect is the 1,238 coronavirus outbreaks recorded in hospitals in England since 29 June (to Feb).
COVID-19 is a potentially nasty viral disease that is unlikely to cause deaths in young healthy people. It tipped the balance for many elderly people already in ill health. The mass screening for SARS-Cov2 has detected many infections (some post-mortem).

Many of the deaths are with or after SARS-Cov2 , not of.

It is this inconsistency in the rules for attributing deaths which (along with many other things) points towards an agenda.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 4, 2021 8:17 am

Those are, of course, just the reported cases!

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 8:11 pm

“This week Germany, France, Italy, and Spain joined Austria, Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands, and Norway in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine while authorities investigate a possible link between it and blood clots. In a precautionary measure, a prosecutor in Italy has seized nearly 400,000 doses and opened a manslaughter investigation after a 57-year-old man believed to be in good health died within hours of receiving an injection.”

Patrick MJD
Reply to  M Courtney
April 4, 2021 1:17 pm

I would take my chances with the virus even though there is growing evidence SARS-COV-2 was manufactured.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 5, 2021 10:25 pm

Long Covid is another made up “disease” by self entitled impatients “patients” who want to put a label on their suffering, even if it’s WRONG.

Some “studies” made up to “prove” the common occurrence of that alleged debilitating disease had only a few individual with confirmed past COVID!

April 3, 2021 2:17 pm

Elephant in Room: Which vaccine did the fellow in question receive?
Seems like people are trying to avoid being sued (sensible), while simultaneously making public-policy statements.
He acknowledges that there are similar reports from overseas, while stressing that there is no link, and naming a particular vaccine while not saying which one the person received.
I’m having some trouble with this logic-puzzle.
Sure, getting a vaccine, especially a well-proven one, is a good idea, but we have a historical first here, where folks at least get to choose between differing technologies. Informed choice should be a thing.

Reply to  Joe
April 3, 2021 2:32 pm

Within 2 weeks, the age of people promoted to get Astra Zeneca changed about 6 times here in Germany. You have to follow a diary not to be to confused with these always changing ages..

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April 3, 2021 2:18 pm

For the vast majority of the younger population, the risks from covid are very small. The risk of a a long term side effect which is still in the unknown category, is probably higher.

Reply to  Sparko
April 3, 2021 3:34 pm

For people under 50, the Moderna/Pfizer/Astra-Zeneca vaccine is far far more deadly. And it is not even close. For people under 50, a mild flu is also far far deadlier than COVID-19. And it is not even close.

I know a doctor who had two patients die with the Moderna vaccine. Two young ladies, in the mid-30’s, very healthy. Both died of heart failure. I know this is anecdotal and I cannot prove it. But if you dig (not using Google), it is not too hard to find more stories of otherwise healthy people dying because of the vaccine. The US CDC’s vaccine adverse event reporting service (VAERS) recently tried to hire people on because their website database cannot store any more entries. You can read the volunteer reported adverse events at, but remember the database storage needs updating.

M Courtney
Reply to  Sparko
April 3, 2021 3:44 pm

The risk of dying is low for the young. The risk of Long Covid is high.
The risk of dying from the AZ vaccine is 1 in 600,000 (still worse odds than dying from Covid, but both are really low).
But there is no risk at all of Long Covid if you don’t get it.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 7:48 pm

You don’t win the lottery if you don’t play. You don’t die from the vaccine if you don’t take it. Depending on where one lives, the risk of exposure to the virus is low and getting lower. For the young, the risk of a severe case in any case is absolutely low.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Scissor
April 4, 2021 3:40 am

Is Long Covid really a thing? I hear about it occasionally and know someone in Sweden who claims to have it, a young woman in her 30s. I am very skeptical of this.

Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
April 4, 2021 4:29 am

its possible its real in weaker immune systems not clearing the covid fully, Ive read
amazingly.. the vax is supposed to be giving the immune system the boot it needs and people say theyre now improving
however that same article is pushing prior covid cases to get the jabs anyway when theyre seeing a spike in antibodies after one jab why the hell risk 2 when not really needed at all?
of course the ongoing health issues stated are ALSO found in normal flus and so are heart attack/stroke risks in the month after a standard flu

Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
April 6, 2021 10:13 am

There are 98 symptoms of Long Term Covid… ranging from ‘personality change’ to ‘herpes’. ‘Feeling irritable’ or being ‘confused’ may be an indicator that you have Long Covid.

‘Weight Gain’ ….

‘Sadness’ …

‘Diarrhea’ (leading to weight loss?) …

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 11:21 pm

M Courtney, I am disapointed. Where’s your skepticism? Open your eyes.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 11:36 pm

‘Long Covid’ is just another name for the kind of symptoms people get after a bad flu.

And the Covid vaccines are killing 100x as many people as flu vaccines do.

Reply to  M Courtney
April 10, 2021 4:25 pm

No thanks, I’ll pass.

Reply to  Sparko
April 4, 2021 1:22 am

There are 1 million people in the UK suffering long covid, 20% of those severely.

It isn’t just about the people that die… there are the people weeks in ICUs, who survive because they are younger. The people severely ill, but noy ded because they are younger.

Reply to  griff
April 4, 2021 10:46 am

There are 1 million people in the UK suffering long covid, 20% of those severely.”

There are 1 million people in the UK suffering from pneumonia, 20% of those severely.

Well corrected there for you, griffie.

What about AIDS, griff, is it long or short!(?)
Always long, griff.

IDS is both, “short” and long, depending on severity… and many times than not depends in the diagnosis and the treatment… lately.


Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Sparko
April 4, 2021 3:36 am

While I have not worried about catching Wuflu since it became obvious to me it was all a big scam, I do worry about the potential for side effects of the various vaccines. Many of my friends have embraced the vaccine and cheerfully submitted to it. I suspect a placebo vaccine would have made them just as cheerful and probably done as much good. I will not be a guinea pig for big pharma and will be watching all my friends for peculiar and bizarre reactions down the line….

April 3, 2021 2:21 pm

This news comes too late for me. I had it in February


Reply to  fretslider
April 3, 2021 2:25 pm

What was ‘it’? The vaccination, the blood clotting or Covid?

Reply to  lbeyeler
April 3, 2021 3:23 pm

So, the ‘phew’ didn’t give it away.


Reply to  fretslider
April 3, 2021 3:57 pm

Sorry, to me as a non native english speaker, the ‘phew’ was unclear. Probably something harmless, slightly funny, like a vaccination without complications or a slight bout of Covid. 😉

Reply to  lbeyeler
April 4, 2021 6:34 am

My apologies.

I was under the impression that this site was American-English. (They have puritan linguistics, which us modern English find amusing).

Phew I had the vaccine and I’m still here.

I hope that’s cleared that up.

April 3, 2021 2:23 pm

If there is a relation, than it may be because of the vector used, an Ape Cold virus, an immun reaction against a non human virus our immune system may not be able to handle it “correctly”

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 4, 2021 4:31 am

and in spite of so called whats IN the vax items NOT ONE has given a full ingredient list of whats in it that I can find

Reply to  ozspeaksup
April 4, 2021 5:32 am

Hopefully there is no peanut oil as an ingredient. 🙂


April 3, 2021 2:51 pm

The US also administers the Moderna vaccine.

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
April 3, 2021 3:13 pm

Here they will start soon with Johnson & Johnson as third vaccine, and certainely Russias Sputnik will follow. What’s different with Sputnik is, you get two shots withn 2 – 3 weeks with two different adenovirus as vector.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 4, 2021 4:32 am

and NO CRISPR fiddling
if forced…
I would take the Sputnik over the others

Reply to  ozspeaksup
April 4, 2021 8:36 am

The Russians have two further vaccines in the pipeline, safer than all others, the last they announced to have 100% protection. Details were not published.

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April 3, 2021 3:10 pm

The Covid death rate has never been anywhere near 2%. It is notoriously hard to estimate but actual studies as opposed to WHO or CDC delirium put the death rate at 0.1 to 0.5% ( with the vast majority of deaths occurring in the elderly or otherwise compromised. Equivalent to a moderately bad influenza that mercifully spares the healthy. Using pharmaceutical company math, my vanishingly small risk of dying from Covid is increased by 100% by adding on the vanishingly small risk of dying from the vaccine if I choose to get one. The sum of which is nothing compared to the insult to dignity from being bullied into childishly senseless behaviour.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  BCBill
April 3, 2021 3:24 pm

BCBill – Amusing coincidence that probably thousands of miles apart you and I, in the very same minute, pen the same reaction to an article that states that “the original death rate of Covid was 2 per cent”.

You write more – and I entirely agree with all you write.

Reply to  BCBill
April 3, 2021 3:37 pm

The case fatality rate is probably skewed because idiot politicians put sick people in nursing homes. One idiot politician who did this from Pennsylvania is now advising Biden on how to handle the virus. He checked all the woke boxes, which immediately made him qualified. These people probably would not have died if normal practices were carried out.

Reply to  BCBill
April 3, 2021 5:39 pm

Recent research of the infection fatality rate (IFR) by John Ioannidis, “suggests average global IFR of ~0.15%”, which is in line with the article BCBill links to. There are many caveats, of course, as many factors impact IFR. Note that the IFR is not zero and CV-19 is a nasty bug. But it pays to keep things in perspective.

The idea of a 2% fatality rate is based on out-of-date CDC figures that seem to keep reappearing on the web, including Wikipedia. The Lockdown Sceptics blog has a look:

Why Does Wikipedia Claim a Fifth of Covid Infections Are ‘Severe’?

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Paul C
Reply to  PaulH
April 4, 2021 4:33 am

Wikipedia is NOT useful for ANYTHING that is “controversial”, and particularly not for anything influenced by political or religious ideology. Unfortunately, as your link says, some people actually refer to wikipedia as if it were not a heavily editorialised, biased, and unreliable source. It is one of many repositories that can be useful for referencing non-controversial subjects, but if, for example, you were to look up the events of the climategate leaked e-mails, you would see a very biased narrative, with obfuscation, insults of sceptics, and cover-up of the scandal being dominant. The climategate links under climate fail files on WUWT are far more comprehensive.

Reply to  BCBill
April 4, 2021 8:37 am

The CFR in Germany is actual around 2.7%

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 4, 2021 1:07 pm

Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is not the same as Infection Fatality Rate (IFR). I cannot honestly explain the differences, as this is above my pay grade. Perhaps someone here can enlighten us?

Reply to  PaulH
April 4, 2021 2:47 pm

Both is subject during the discussion.
CFR is the percentage of death in relationton to cases
IFR represents the proportion of deaths among all infected individuals, including all asymptomatic and undiagnosed subjects.

Andy Espersen
April 3, 2021 3:10 pm

The original death rate from Covid was NOT 2 per cent. It was about half of that – and almost exclusively among older people already weakened by some other medical problems

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2021 3:54 pm

Eric Worrall – If it is “hard to pin down”, then why does your article state categorically that “the original death rate was 2 per cent”?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2021 4:22 pm

Eric, I read yesterday that Africa has one of the lowest rates of covid. Another today about India and Pakistan (can’t remember where). Interesting and the reason, if found, will be VERY interesting.
Compare that to the Australian B.C. in a radio national thing yesterday interviewing an African who stated they were the guinea pigs and at high risk but are getting only a little vaccine and no additional money!

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Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 4, 2021 4:37 am

except no one HAS had a cold or flu for 12mths;-( which we NEED to prime the sytem
our low rates are due to sunshine better less crowded living Id say AND closed borders!
dunno anyone who wants OS travel opened up
we have issues enough with returnees bring it back with em

os nations have porous borders and no way to keep people firmly IN their own places till it runs it course

Phils Dad
Reply to  Ardy
April 3, 2021 9:02 pm

Reported cases

Reply to  Andy Espersen
April 3, 2021 3:19 pm

You talk about CFR ?

Last edited 1 year ago by Krishna Gans
April 3, 2021 3:24 pm

Suppose the drug companies offered you a drug that has never been done before, that they admitted was rushed, and that they also admitted to not doing proper testing. Would you take it?

If you change a one word, the Moderna/Pfizer/Astra-Zeneca vaccine becomes unacceptable to everyone. I read part of the medical report from Pfizer. They admitted that they skipped most normal animal testing. Do you think Moderna or Astra-Zeneca is any different? Pfizer also admitted that a very high percentage of pregnant lab rats had miscarriages. I wished I saved the medical report produced by Pfizer.

But I did save this. It is a financial report from Pfizer.
On page 4 of the report, a Pfizer exec said:

Now in terms of pricing, let me see if I can hit on that. So if you look at how current demand and current pricing is being driven, it’s clearly not being driven by what I’ll call normal market conditions, normal market forces.  It’s really been driven by kind of the pandemic state that we’ve been in and the needs of governments to really secure doses from the various vaccine suppliers. So what we believe, what I believe is as we move from a pandemic state, from a pandemic situation to an endemic situation, normal market forces, normal market conditions will start to kick in. And factors like efficacy, booster ability, clinical utility will basically become very important, and we view that as, quite frankly, a significant opportunity for our vaccine from a demand perspective, from a pricing perspective, given the clinical profile of our vaccine.  So clearly, more to come here.  But we think as this shifts from pandemic to endemic, we think there’s an opportunity here for us.

In unobfuscated language, what they are saying is they want to have yearly boosters at higher prices. Do you doubt for a second why Big Pharma would find a way to demonize dirt-cheap, off-patent hydroxychloroquine? If the public knew a cheap drug worked, they wouldn’t live in fear and demand a rushed, not properly tested, never before been done, and very expensive treatment. That would not be good for Big Pharma’s bottom line.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2021 8:08 pm

There have been very few cases of reinfection, some probably related to inadequacy of PCR testing.

Reply to  Scissor
April 4, 2021 7:47 am

It is very hard to find, but for example Czech republic had 159 cases of symptomatic reinfection from March 2020 till January 2021, from 980 thousands tested positive. That means that reinfection rate is 0.016% after 9 months.

Reply to  Peter
April 4, 2021 10:58 am

That means that reinfection rate is 0.016% after 9 months.

Lets see;

That means, the symptomatic reinfection rate is 0.016% after 9 months.

Can you spot the difference there!

James F. Evans
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2021 8:53 pm

You are disgusted by efforts to demonize drug therapies.

I’m disgusted by drug companies putting out novel RNA therapies without following recognized scientific protocols.

M Courtney
Reply to  Wade
April 3, 2021 3:50 pm

Take the drug you describe or be shot in the head, point blank, with a gun loaded with blanks and one real bullet.
You are near certainly going to be injured from a blank. Or dead.
Or you could follow the millions who took the drug. With no problems.

Seriously, millions of injections isn’t a test enough for you? What would be>

James F. Evans
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 9:18 pm

Long term unknown negative side effects?

Too late, you already took an injection of a ‘never been tried gene therapy’ in your arm.

I hope for humanity’s sake my concern about long term side effects is wrong.

Only time will tell.

John Dilks
Reply to  M Courtney
April 3, 2021 9:51 pm

Vaccines are not necessary for diseases that can be treated by drugs that have been safely used for 60 plus years. It is especially true when the disease kills such a small percentage of the people that get it.

Reply to  John Dilks
April 4, 2021 11:26 am

One big question I have is: WHY? Why is there such a push FOR vaccines and AGAINST drug therapy that clearly works when administered properly? If were really about saving lives, it seems that pushing the therapy route would be the best approach.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Wade
April 3, 2021 3:57 pm

Worldwide there has been over 650 million does of the various vaccinations administered, with a handful of adverse reactions. By now we now that the vaccines are safe and orders of magnitude safer than catching COVID19.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 3, 2021 4:31 pm

Izaak: what you fail to understand is that the western world is so full of fearful, tremulous people reacting to just about everything, that even one death is enough to spook them.
My fear is that the MEEK have inherited the earth!

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 3, 2021 5:47 pm

It is your choice to take the vaccine; it should be my choice to refuse. Do we not remember the Guillain-Barré syndrome from the rushed swine flu vaccine of 1976? Or the permanent narcolepsy following the rushed 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine?

I have nothing against vaccines. I will gladly take the flu vaccine, the shingles vaccine when I am old enough, and many other properly tested vaccines. I had my tetanus booster vaccine two years ago. I have a problem with this vaccine. What has the for-profit pharmaceutical companies ever done to make you trust them so much? A drug company admitted to creating a fake disease called “restless leg syndrome” to sell a drug. These same companies had no problem pushing highly addictive opioid pain medication. Do you really believe that a business has your best interests at heart? I don’t.

Or the government? We were told two weeks to flatten the curve, then things would return to normal. A lie. We were told to wear a mask, then things would return to normal. A lie. What makes you think that they are telling the truth now? “Just get the vaccine, and things we get back to normal.” That, too, will be a lie. If someone has never told you the truth, why do you trust them at all?

And long-COVID ain’t a thing. Every disease can have long-term damage. Every. Single. Disease. The reason why the media stopped talking about this, like “kamikaze syndrome” is because it wasn’t true so they had to quickly sweep it under the rug. But what is real is the psychosomatic damage being done to people because of the lies. Also Munchhausen syndrome and Munchhausen by proxy syndrome because of the lies. The real-world emotional toll of the lockdown will far exceed anything this virus could ever do.

Len Werner
Reply to  Wade
April 3, 2021 7:23 pm

Excellent points (which of course simply means that I agree with them). Another one to add–how did we get to the point that a vaccine should be acceptable if it will kill some people? I fail to understand how this should form a logical response of ‘take the jab’ universal acceptance; to me it requires proceeding with extreme caution with an individual evaluation of personal risk.

It reminds me of a line from a movie–‘Some of you may die, but it’s a risk I’m willing to accept’.

Incidentally I enjoyed Eric’s explanation of the 2%/0.5%/0.1% discrepancy in infection fatality rate–in two sentences the word ‘estimate(s)’ had to be written 6 times to clarify. (huh–‘clarify’). It seems that nobody really ‘knows’ anything regarding this virus, the data is still so poor that no-one has anything but estimates derived from estimates that came from estimates. And this is after more than a year.

We might also reflect carefully on exactly what is the WHO; it is an organization that has not been exactly stellar in its handling of this problem. It is headed by an individual with somewhat questionable background and motives, and who’s influence will be manifested downward through the ranks. The telling of lies in the history of this scenario does not leave WHO unquestionably credible.

Everyone should stop and try to remember when their government has ever told them the truth. Why would you believe that THIS time, they are?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Len Werner
April 3, 2021 8:22 pm

Surely a vaccine is preferable as long as it kills fewer people than the disease? There will always be adverse effects to any
treatment but that doesn’t mean we should do nothing.

John Dilks
Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 3, 2021 9:56 pm

No, it isn’t. Not when the disease kills at such a low rate and almost exclusively those that are already dying.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 3, 2021 11:39 pm

This is a disease that barely kills anyone under fifty, and mostly kills sick people over eighty.

Why would anyone in their right mind be pushing an experimental vaccine onto billions of people for a disease so innocuous that most people have to be tested to know they have it?

This whole thing is simply insane, which is why no sane person is going to take the vaccine.

Len Werner
Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 4, 2021 3:30 am

How about if it’s put this way: ‘just take the thalidomide, it works just fine for most people’.

Can a doctor administer an injection that will kill some people and claim to be adhering to the Hyppocratic Oath? I’m not sure there’s an easy answer.

Note that I didn’t say ‘don’t take it’; my attitude is to proceed cautiously with an understanding of individual health and state of immune system. For many the logical response will indeed be to do nothing; a year of accumulated statistics does not necessitate any stampede.

By the way, just how robust is the data in reports of number of cases?–what is a ‘case’? If the addition of a ‘case’ follows WHO guidelines–fever, cough, and tiredness–are those symptoms unique to this one virus? Are they PCR tests? At 40 cycles it’s been demonstrated that some fruit has Covid. So when my government tells me that ‘there were over 1,000 new cases today’, my question is ‘what is a case?’ It’s never defined, just stated. I’m supposed to ‘Be very very afraid’.

This is why I will not be stampeded into feeling that I ‘have to do something’. I’ll proceed cautiously.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 4, 2021 11:41 am

Surely a vaccine is preferable as long as it kills fewer people than the disease?

With vaccine 49 deaths, without vaccine 51 deaths – so, simple maths – what’s your choice ?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 4, 2021 1:22 pm

Perhaps giving us medicine that might kill us is doing too much, especially if you consider the death rate of the desease that’s got us all in a tizzy is 0.03% and that figure is a deliberate exaggeration because your counted if you die with it as well as of it and the average age of death is 80+ ?

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Len Werner
April 4, 2021 3:55 am

We do know something about WuFlu now, a year after the initial panic. Hardly anyone gets it! You have to be on the edge of death from something and catching WuFlu (or probably a common cold or annual flu) will push you over. We also know that being put on a ventilator is very bad juju.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Wade
April 4, 2021 12:11 am

Something need not be true for people to believe it and refuse to consider any new evidence to the contrary.
That is true no matter the subject, apparently.
We talk about it heere every day re CAGW.
Amazingly, people who are immune to BS re CAGW, are very susceptable to it, or seemingly so, re other subjects.
Narcolepsy Following 2009 Pandemrix Influenza Vaccination in Europe | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 3, 2021 7:19 pm

same as M Courtney, you stand in the illogical fallacy of
weighting the cons as pros in the case of this mass “vaccine”
application globally.

There was this idea once, looking very sharp and promising,
of a possible method to produce effective drug treatments for tumors.
Something like ~20 years ago or even more.

In the last 15 years the method was applied, for research, production and experimental treatment.
Very much invested on it, costly and in the end, up to some point, with no any profit,
even as the data showed that there was no any considerable cons to it…
but also no any detectable pros either… non effective at all.

And as the story goes, the various tried variants of such a method
were Patent protected…for quite a long time now,
and coming close or very close to the max protection term of 20 years.

Just giving you a story, of a very expensive venture,
which did not produce any returns, or what may be considered as profitable returns,
simply because of a total lack of pros,
like a clear lack of detectable positive effects…
regardless of the fact, of also no any detectable cons there, like side effects or adverse effects.

Fanny story this one!


Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 3, 2021 8:09 pm

Thousands of deaths associated with CV vaccines have been registered.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 10, 2021 4:39 pm

So far, in the US, there has been over 56,000 reports of adverse reactions with a report rate of 1%. Over 2,000 of those are deaths. Imagine how many adverse reactions worldwide.

Reply to  Wade
April 3, 2021 4:03 pm

Pfizer also admitted that a very high percentage of pregnant lab rats had miscarriages.”

That’s what I fear most. Long term side effects. They will be tested in about ten years.

Reply to  lbeyeler
April 3, 2021 11:40 pm

It’s not long-term. Many pregnant women who took the vaccine have had miscarriages soon after.

Rod Evans
Reply to  MarkG
April 4, 2021 1:24 am

Mark I have not heard about that? Where is the study that reported the results of pregnant ladies miscarrying following vaccination?
I would also ask what country has at this stage actually been inoculating pregnant women? So far in the UK, the vaccine roll out has not got into the below fifty age group and there are not many if any fifty year old pregnant women over here….thank our lucky stars.
NB I am not having the vaccine, not because I fear its efficacy or its potential unknown and unknowable side effects longer term.
I have had Covid 19 so do not feel the need to also be vaccinated. What would be the point? I do take a daily Vit D tablet to boost my immunity system and would recommend that to all.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Wade
April 3, 2021 11:14 pm

“I wish I had saved…”

Oh man…GMAB!
It takes one quick search to locate scads of links to the clinical and preclinical trial data from all of these companies.
Before animal testing, all were tested on cells.
Then all were testing on multiple types of animals, prior to any humans being dosed.
Anyone who supposes different is just imagining things.
No country would ever let some new drug be given to people before it was testing in animals and shown to have some promise of working and also to not be outright poison.
And no company would ever allow testing in animals without testing in cell cultures first.
Doing so risks wasting huge amounts of time and money.
Every company that makes vaccine candidates has many variants to choose from.
This sort of thing is never done willy-nilly, most especially in such a case as this.
Things were hurried, but not to the exclusion of normal concerns.

The reports of no animal testing are pure BS.
Here is the page of publications for Moderna.
First paper…mouse studies.
Second paper, non-human primates.
Third paper, phase one clinical trial in humans, interim analysis.
Fourth paper, phase one clinical trial in humans consisiting of older adults.
Publications and External Resources | Moderna, Inc. (

Article linking to data on preclinical trial data in rhesus macaques and in mice, as well as links to where all the rest of the data to date can easily be found:
Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Data from Preclinical Studies of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 | pfpfizeruscom

Here is an article describing how false info was being originated and propagated on the basis of a single tweet by no one in particular, and another describing how animal activists were up in arms because of these then-candidate vaccines having been tested on animals(As opposed to prisoners, one might suppose?) :

Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials (

COVID-19 Vaccine Stirs Controversy For Being Tested On Animals (

So people are/were upset that they were tested on animals, and also that they were not!

Here is a direct link to Pfizer announcing preclinical data:Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Data from Preclinical Studies of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 | pfpfizeruscom

This is a tiny fraction of what I myself read, and linked to right here many months ago, over and over, and can be readily obtained by simply going to the websites of the companies, or searching for research articles, or pretty much by doing anything at all instead of reading a tweet and/or spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

Get vaccinated or don’t.
It is your life.
But when you just spread misinformation, or represent opinions as facts, you are not doing anyone any favors, nor are you doing anything related to scientific discovery or even rational discourse.

More general info on the entire process of vaccine testing can be found at this link from Johns Hopkins:
Vaccine Research & Development – Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (

An article describing how the process of development was hastened in this case, without skipping any steps, is here. Note that it is not unprecedented to accelerate a drug development when a crisis is occurring.
Comparing something like what happened over the past year to year and a half to what happens “on average” for new drug development makes zero sense.
For one thing, we had someone in the White house that cleared away all the BS and red tape and uncertainties regarding funding, and delays in even doing the review process, etc.
People have compained for decades, and rightly so, about the inordinate amount of time it has taken to get something pushed through the testing and approval process, while meanwhile people are dying.
Now people are compaining it got done in a hurry for once!
COVID Vaccine Testing and Approval | University of Maryland Medical System (

There are dozens of vaccine candidates that have been developed.
Many were discontinued at various stages over the past year.
Others are taking longer for lots of reasons.
We have a few that were done quickly and competently and that miraculously and by the grace of God have turned out to be highly effective.
So of course people are compaining bitterly about that, and refusing to even consider taking one of them.
I bet some of such people even consider themselves smart and scientific and unbiased.

I am no fan of the New York Times, but for some things they are a compentent organization, and this appears to be one such instance. They have a page that tracks every candidate and compiles links to all the data. Of 83 candidates, we have three approved in the US.
We might have had at least two of them months earlier if not for anti-Trump sentiment delaying the review until after election day.

If anyone thinks any crap someone invented was just rubber stamped, here is a list of ones that were abandoned after phase one human testing started:

-Imperial College London, self amplifying RNA vaccine

-Merck/Institut Pasteur, Themis bioscience vaccine based on weakened measles virus vector

-Merck/IAVI, based on vesicular stomatitis viruses, the same approach Merck successfully used to produce the first approved vaccine for Ebola

-The University of Queensland/CSL, combined spike protein with an adjuvant. Showed promise in hamsters, abandoned when early volunteers began testing positive for HIV:
“In a report released in February 2021, the researchers explained the false positives came about due to the way the researchers designed the vaccine.

To ensure that spike proteins can stimulate a strong immune response, the researchers had to prevent the molecules from unfolding and changing their shape. The researchers held the proteins in place with a molecular clamp, which was based on a segment of an HIV protein.”

So easy to read all about this, even if one was asleep for the past year plus.

Covid-19 Vaccine Tracker: Latest Updates – The New York Times (

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Len Werner
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 4, 2021 11:13 am

An excellent posting. Interestingly, I followed your advice and went to the AstraZeneca site to see if blood clotting showed up in their pre-release trials.

Every single result from either a ‘Covid-19’ or ‘Sars-2 Cov’ search returned a ‘Not Yet Available’ response. Puzzling.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Len Werner
April 5, 2021 9:34 am

I have not followed the AstraZeneca vaccine very closely.
For one thing, it is not approved in the US, or even applied for an EUA yet, although they might do so in the next few weeks.
I am most surprised that the J and J one was given EUA.
We have two that work very well.
The J & J one is significantly less effective.
I made sure when I got my first dose last week (actually it was on 3/26)that it was not J & J.
I was able to get an appointment with my regular doctors’ practice for Moderna, so I made the appointment and got my first dose.
I have always gotten every single vaccine I can get my hands on.
It is a tiny bit of foreign protein and some adjuvants. Infinitesimally small, compared to how much foreign DNA and RNA and everything else that gets in a person’s body every day from random sources.

And compared to an active infective pathogen?
Anyone worried about a risk that is on the order of one or two bad reactions in a million, is being a irrationally paranoid AFAIAC.
Yes, the overall chance of dying of COVID is low, but it is significantly higher for someone who is middle aged or above, and that has some risk factors.
And for every death are several hospitalizations for viral pneumonia, and that can take years to recover from, and can cause damage that an older person will never really ever be able to completely rover from. Sometimes.
A one or two in a million chance of an allergic reaction, which I have never had one of in my life, compared to a several orders of magnitude larger risk from a respiratory infection that may just f*ck me up but good…
It is a no brainer to me.
I never worry about getting sick, but I have to admit I found myself not wanting to spin the COVID roulette wheel.
I would not go on a drive if there was a one in 100(or even a 1 in 200 or 1 in 300) chance of dying in a crash, and several times more chance of being seriously and perhaps permanently injured.
So I did everything to protect myself when I was outside over the past year, and did not get it.
Now I will not get it.
And nothing bad will happen to me from getting 100 micrograms of a vaccine that tens of millions have gotten, and over a million more get every day, and to date not one shred of evidence exists that anyone has anything to worry about except for the fragile few who get anaphylactic reactions…and that is highly treatable and they are watching everyone closely for it.
I knew nothing bad will happen to me, and I was right.
I know nothing will happen to me next week, or next month, or next year, from it.
Just like nothing has ever happened to me from any of the vaccinations I have gotten in my life…except I have never gotten any disease I was vaccinated against. That one thing has happened…never getting any of the many bad disease people used to get all the time.

As for this specific thing being called “blood clotting”, lets have a look at that in some detail.
Blood clotting has many names. It can refer to strokes, which is a primary cause of death all over the world, and always has been and always will be.
Or it can refer to the sort of clots that form in the legs of people that spend lots of time sitting, like on planes or driving trucks, and then the clots travel to the lungs and cause a condition called pulmonary embolism.
Other common blood clot things that happen are deep vein thrombosis, and something called a myocardial infarction…a heart attack.
IOW…blood clots are a thing that happens all the time to a lot of people.
Just saying “blood clots” is very unspecific.
And when I read something along the lines of “A 56 year old man, who was in good health, had a blood clot after getting vaccinated”, as if that tells anyone anything useful, and yet the story is written as if anything that happens to anyone after they get vaccinated, was caused by the vaccination, when literally millions are getting vaccinated every single day…well, it just makes me wonder when everyone got so stupid.

I just did a Bing search for “what is the incidence of pulmonary embolism”, knowing as I do that this is a common condition medically speaking, but that the odds of any particular person getting one in any given day, week, month, or year, is rather low, the odds of any one of a million people getting one rises to a absolute certainty in a given day.
I know from my lifelong experience in a medical family and having many friends and family in the field of medicine and working in hospitals, that there is not a single large hospital anywhere that does not have people showing up every day with this condition…and it is merely one of many disorders that might go under the heading of being caused or characterized by a “blood clot”…
So anyway, I got a result in that search of 20.8 to 65.8 per 100,000 people, annually.
If one looks at deep vein thrombosis (DVT), basically the same thing as a pulmonary embolism (PE) except for the person had the clot lodge in a “deep vein” someplace, rather than a lung, the incidence is far higher, 43.7 to 145 per 100,000 annually.
This is a wide range, but when one considers that even at the low ends of these ranges, and that these are only two of many conditions caused by sudden blood clots, it is obvious that this is something that happens to so many people, all the time, for no reason in particular, that it is just ridiculous to conclude that someone getting vaccinated and then having one of these is even evidence of a connection.
When one considers large populations of millions of people, every weird and unusual thing anyone has every heard of, and many few have heard of, will happen by random chance all the time.
This is why we have emergency rooms, with people waiting in them, all over the world, 365 days a year.
It is why if one lives in a city, one hears ambulances going down any random street so often no one even pays any attention.
So three million people in the US got vaccinated yesterday. Using the low end of the above ranges for DVT and PE and doing some math (I have not worked this out ahead of time, I am doing the math myself for the first time, as I write this), we get what? 20 + 43 = 63 per 100K. Three million is thirty times that number. 63 x 30 = 1890.
So if 63 per 100K get one of these two conditions every year, in a population of 3 million we should expect by random chance alone that 1890/365 will have one of these sudden blood clot disorders every day.
Over five a day out of every three million…and that is at the low end of the range given for the incidence of these two conditions. The upper end is about three times as many.
And that is for an overall population…but most people getting vaccinated at this stage are older and sicker people, who I would have to think are far more likely to get these sorts of things that if one looked at a representative cross section.
Almost none of the 3 million getting vaccinated a day in the US at this stage are young. Most are not even close to youngish.
But leaving all that about demographics aside…it is obvious that not only is it not surprising that some people who just got vaccinated got a “blood clot” (and let’s keep in mind, we only just did the math for those two blood clot disorders, and there are a long list of common blood clot conditions), it is 100% guaranteed that many will have this exact thing happen, every day, out of the 3 million being vaccinated daily in the US alone.

One thing I am pretty sure of…vaccines do not prevent things like blood clots that happen all the time to random people.

Millions of people take blood thinners. It was one of the few specific questions I was asked about before I got my shot. I have no idea why they ask that, but I do know that during the 15 minutes I was waiting in a room full of mostly much older people, the women who was second after me to get her shot was being questioned, and I heard her say that yes, she was on a blood thinner. I did not get nosy and perk up my ears enough to hear what was said after, but I did note that she got her shot anyway. And she was sitting there fine and dandy, like everyone else I saw, after getting her shot. After 15 minutes, they asked me if I was ok (they actually gave each person a little timer set to 15 minutes and when it beeps you can go), I told them I had never been better, thanked them all for doing great work under difficult conditions, and was on my merry way.

So, AstraZeneca and clots…specifically?
I did not see anywhere that any of the 23,848 participants in the phase 3 clinical trial had a blood clot disorder during the trial, but this is the summary of how adverse events broke down:
“There were 74341 person-months of safety follow-up (median 3·4 months, IQR 1·3–4·8): 175 severe adverse events occurred in 168 participants, 84 events in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group and 91 in the control group. Three events were classified as possibly related to a vaccine: one in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group, one in the control group, and one in a participant who remains masked to group allocation.”
Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK (

So, there were more adverse events in the control group. Only three were deemed possibly related to the vaccine, and as far as is known, only one (possibly a second) of those three was in a person who got the actual vaccine.
I do not think anything like blood clots were observed. I saw things like a sore arm listed as “severe adverse events”, just for an idea of what that language implies. It does not imply much, necessarily.

So, which is living dangerously…getting a vaccination, or not getting a vaccination?
I for one cannot believe it is a serious question in the year 2021.

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Patrick MJD
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 4, 2021 9:33 pm

Apart from those assigned “emergency use approved”.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 5, 2021 10:57 am

Not sure what you are saying.
But some countries have granted full approval for various of these vaccines.
Pfizer-BioNTech is approved in  BahrainBrazilNew ZealandSaudi ArabiaSwitzerland.
Moderna in Switzerland.
AstraZeneca in Brazil

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Patrick MJD
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 5, 2021 2:12 pm

I don’t live in any of those countries.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 10, 2021 4:59 pm

If you actually read the studies like I did, you would see “preclinical animal models”, not live animals.

Reply to  Wade
April 4, 2021 4:38 am

yup the deals for the mega millions were a 12mth pandemic cheap deal
after that?
they can charge what they want I gather
and boy will they

April 3, 2021 4:01 pm

In other news, 4 people were run over by a cross-town bus while walking to their local COVID vaccination station.

Post-mortem tests revealed they were all naturally immune anyway.

Phils Dad
Reply to  Mr.
April 3, 2021 8:49 pm

Does that go down as a COVID death?

Reply to  Phils Dad
April 3, 2021 8:57 pm

Of course. X 4.

April 3, 2021 4:17 pm

So isn’t Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer now an anti vax, anti WHO, conspiracy ideator and shouldn’t his social media accounts be deleted?

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Geoff Larsen
April 3, 2021 4:39 pm

Thrombocytopenia following Pfizer and Moderna SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination

19 cases up till 19 February of this in the US with Pfizer and Moderna, all but one of them occurring after the 1st vaccination.

Kevin kilty
April 3, 2021 4:50 pm

I agree that balance of risk is on the side of getting vaccinated if a person is older than 50 say. The CFR for those 17 years and younger is 0.01%. To put this into actual numbers there have been 220 deaths in the entire u.s. for that age band. So, as long as the vaccine remains under an emergency authorization, my view is it’s not ethical to require vaccination for minors.

Phils Dad
Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 3, 2021 8:48 pm

In the UK there is currently no date/plan to vaccinate anyone under 16. In the 17-25 group the chances of dying are vanishingly small but still 35 times higher than the chances of a fatal reaction to the vaccine (on current figures)

Reply to  Phils Dad
April 4, 2021 4:45 am

well then WHY are trials being done right now IN UK for kids over ?8 or 10 for vax?
and plans for near newborns to follow

Paul C
Reply to  Phils Dad
April 5, 2021 3:48 am

The problem is that the ones with one or more co-morbidity are the ones who are also most at risk from having an immediate adverse reaction to a vaccine. Treatments that have an incredibly safe long history of use, and been shown to be effective in multiple trials are far more suitable than experimental vaccines in all but the highest risk groups.
The long term adverse reactions are a complete unknown as the vaccine trials are ongoing. The record of (UK) politicians (and health authorities) in this pandemic has been abysmal. You would have to be an idiot to take the words of proven lying hypocrites as true and accurate.

April 3, 2021 5:25 pm

A survival rate of 99.7% has been said on wuwt several times in the past,as far as I’m aware no one disagreed with that. That seems to me to be an extremely low death rate to be taking a chance on a reportedly experimental vaccine especially when you consider the real death rate could be even smaller, consider how many countries have reports of people testing positive and dieing of something else but covid is put on the death certificate. Why does it appear that the death toll is inflated and all we are offered is a vaccine? Bangladesh using ivermectin has an extremely low death rate, another commenter said as of march 15 2021 their deaths totalled 18 from a population of 165 million. Again no one rebuked this comment so I assume it’s correct. So there seems to be general agreement ivermectin works and no one argues against its safety, there also seems to be agreement that zinc and hcq is effective but our governments and so called experts say nothing or sideline anyone who does and has us all clamouring for a vaccine as the only hope of getting our freedom’s back. There’s even talk of vaccine passports just to go out for a pint. At one point during this madness I wasn’t allowed to go to my son’s house but I could go and exercise with him? We should have clarity instead we have confusion and I suspect it’s deliberate. So for the time being I won’t be having any needles I’ll stick with quercetin and zinc.

Reply to  Notanacademic
April 3, 2021 5:53 pm

NAA: In my case at 70+ I would take any stupid thing if it got me onto a plane and up to Bali to go diving again.

Reply to  Ardy
April 3, 2021 6:05 pm

I’m 56 maybe that explains our different opinions. My dad was a diver and underwater photographer he always wanted to dive the red sea but never did. Hope you get to Bali.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Notanacademic
April 3, 2021 6:51 pm

Lots of people would argue with a a survival rate of 99.7%. Have a look at
where for most countries the case fatality rate is much higher than 0.3%. In
the USA the case fatality rate is about 1.8%.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 4, 2021 12:26 am

I meant to say 99.97% = death rate of 0.03 not 0.3 my mistake. The actual figures are smaller because dying with covid are included. Finding the truth is difficult it shouldn’t be. If I can’t trust my government to get something as important as the death rate correct in fact it seems they are lying about it then I don’t believe what they tell me about the vaccines. I tried clicking on the link you provided for some reason it didn’t work, I suspect it’s my crap phone.

Reply to  Notanacademic
April 4, 2021 12:36 am

Also I think case fatality rate is very different to fatality rate in an entire population. We don’t even know how many cases there are, PCR tests with a CT of 45 seem designed to produce fear not accurate case numbers.

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Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 4, 2021 4:47 am

and the obesity and diabetes rate is? near 50%?

David A
Reply to  Izaak Walton
April 4, 2021 8:34 am

Only for diagnosed cases. Most cases never get diagnosed.
About 30 percent of the population in India has ben exposed. ( Antibodies testing and spot T cell testing)
This is a death rate well below the flu.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Notanacademic
April 4, 2021 4:14 am

I grew up in a world where it was perfectly normal for children to catch all sorts of “childhood diseases.” I had pertussis at the age of three, shared mumps with my younger brother as well as chicken pox, acquired measles in the fifth grade and had to spend two weeks in a dark room for fear of hearing loss of blindness. Kids on our block were quarantined for polio, scarlet fever, and something else. Back then we lived with the constant reality of catching something that could kill or cripple us. The polio vaccine was a real game-changer for us Baby Boomers and I was happy to get that jab and the second dose as well in the second grade.

Kids today don’t have to worry about catching polio or any of the other “childhood diseases” I endured and that is a good thing. I was vaccinated against smallpox and tetanus, also a good thing.

But at this stage in my life I am NOT about to subject myself to a vaccine that was developed practically overnight by companies that are more concerned about their bottom line than the people who will get it. Look at all the money they make from foisting statin drugs on people when there is still NO proof that high cholesterol levels cause heart disease. Lots of side effects there, however. How about how governments continue to push a high-carbohydrate, Low-Fat diet on the world when it is clear to anyone who looks that this diet is detrimental?

This is what disgusts me!

Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
April 4, 2021 11:55 am

There’s been no long term testing obviously because it has been developed so quickly. Those who get vaccinated are unwittingly the long term test subjects, that to my thinking is immoral regardless of how confident the developers are in their product. They may have opened Pandora’s box, Geert Van Den Bossche seems to think so. Time will tell. I believe you are right about the low fat diet, saturated fat is essential, big fat juicy steak for dinner. Yum.

Walter Sobchak
April 3, 2021 6:26 pm

“Note the USA mostly sources vaccines from Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer.”

The third one is from Moderna. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use the same technology.

The J&J vbaccine uses a different technology.

Astra-Zeneca has not yet filed for FDA approval in the US and is not used here.

Xinnie the Pooh
April 3, 2021 6:29 pm

It’s not fair to the supposed few who suffer from adverse reactions. This whole balance sheet of doom nonsense is distasteful and immoral. No person should have to die to save another person. I will NEVER EVER get the vaccine , NO MATTER how selfish I’m told I am. Because why should I suffer for anyone else? And why should anyone else suffer for me? Ayn Rand for the win

Ted Ledner
April 3, 2021 7:40 pm

The covid death rate in Australia is 909 from a bit over 29000 cases. Over 3%. The thromboembolic risk in 9 months of pregnancy in Australia 27/10,000 , and of being on the oral contraceptive pill for a year 6-8/10,000. So far in Australia after AZ covid fax 1/100,000 and diminishing rapidly as more doses given. I don’t suggest a panic is needed just now. You are more likely to have a stroke on the way to the surgery to get your dose.

Peta of Newark
April 3, 2021 7:52 pm

The blood clotting bit always piques my interest, what took me down via Transient Ischaemic Attack over 15 years ago

Random thoughts…
(work my flippancy co-efficient out for yourself)

Why not give all the vaccinees a 6 month supply of Aspirin – that’ll cover them against clotting for the duration of the 2 dose regime?
Then they’ll live forever. And that is what Western Governments want, coz then there’ll be an immortal supply of tax revenue. And in fact also, The People.

Lots of mention of Vitamin D…
A docu-series passed by me last month, on the subject of Good Cardio Vascular Health and the maintenance of same.

A long established MD from Florida popped up and gave his piece.
He said that he made a special point with his patients of checking their Vitamin D status.
He claimed that in 30 years of practice in The Sunshine State, he only once came upon a client/patient with a good/strong Vitamin D level/status.
It was in an 80 year old female who spent 10 hours per week on a sun-bed.
In Florida.

From another docu-series, this time on cancer but covering aspects of other stuff:

Quote: “”And if cayenne’s cancer-fighting capabilities weren’t enough, its effects upon the venous structure and heart are nothing short of miraculous. Cayenne is incredibly nourishing to the heart and has been known to stop heart attacks within 30 seconds. If you want something in your first aid kit for a heart attack, carry cayenne tincture.

According to Dr. John R. Christopher,
In 35 years of practice, and working with the people and teaching, I have never on house calls lost one heart attack patient and the reason is, whenever I go in (if they are still breathing) I pour down them a cup of cayenne tea (a teaspoon of cayenne in a cup of hot water) and within minutes they are up and around.

Seemingly, Cayenne also stops bleeding – nice antidote to all that evil Aspirin.

[Sometimes I think we’re all going to be so wrapped up in cotton wool and sticking plasters on top of plasters on top of plasters on top of…. we’ll be rendered completely immobile. Apart from one moving digit to click on the ‘Submit Tax Payment Now’ button

Another remedy for Cardio Vascular Disease, Covid all over innit, is large amounts of Vitamin C
Especially search for Pauling Therapy. Maybe start here

For routine health maintenance, you don’t need go overboard with the full dose rate of the Pauling Therapy

With Vitamin C, it is to remember that it is a very active compound when it gets inside us. No matter what size pill you take, it will be all gone inside 30 minutes.

They way to do Vitamin C is many small doses all across the day.
Maybe take a couple of 1000mg tablets and split each into 4. Keep the bits on a plate or saucer somewhere in your home/office where you’ll be passing regularly and pick one of the bits whenever you go by.

Another thing about Vit C is that the sort you’ll always find or get is synthetic. Man-made.
Nothing at all wrong about that, it is still good BUT, Vitamin C comes as a clock-wise and an anti-clockwise molecule.
The synthetic stuff you get is a 50/50 mix and only one the anticlockwise version does anything.
Doesn’t matter. Its as cheap as chips and the unused part does no harm whatsoever.

PS Cayenne comes as gelatin capsules, like the things Fish Oil and Omega 3 comes in and about the same size. Cheap as chips again and why you won’t hear about it from Big Pharma

Pop one down between main-course and dessert of your main meal of the day. Swallow it down properly with water or it will give you heartburn.

Edit to add PPS
If you don’t fancy Aspirin to fix your Covid Clotting, Omega 3 Fish Oil will do instead.
Will help your co-morbidities fantastically also. The energy you’ll get from the fish oil will displace sugar from your diet.
Your brane (grey matter)will work better – it much prefers ketones coming from fat than it does sugar.
Because fat is not a chemical depressant like sugar is. But you knew that.

Also your heart.Perfectly abhors sugar and burns fat directly although Coconut Oil is far and away best, for your heart. Brane likes it too.

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Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 4, 2021 4:22 am

People in the Western World suffer from Vitamin D deficiency because back in the 1970s we were told that exposure to the sun caused skin cancer. We were told to slather on PABA to prevent premature skin aging and deadly skin cancer. And like the sheep most of are, we listened to this advice and proceeded to cover up and deprive our bodies of this crucial hormone precursor.

Today I take supplemental D3, lie out in the sun at least an hour daily, and never buy or use sun blocking agents.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 4, 2021 5:35 am

The special formation of blood clotts certainely induced by vaccines can’t be treated in any prevenitve way. There is a special medication to counteract in form of immunglobuline.
Hands away from Aspirin in this case, there is no value at all !!

April 3, 2021 8:05 pm

“Although improved therapeutics have brought the Covid death rate way down, the health risk associated with catching Covid appears to be significantly worse than the risk of a severe adverse reaction to the vaccine.”

A rather gross assumption. Especially since government goes out of it’s way to discourage/discount/ignore all reported side effects that are not allergic reactions.

Donna LaFramboise has conducted some research, as well as can be conducted when databases are skewed by refusing inconvenient data.

I went and got the J&J vaccine after pressure from my doctor.
Even though he was unable to contest the fact that rona viruses are highly mutable.

Next year will likely require a new different rona-virus vaccine. Like influenza vaccines, future vaccines will be guesses at what virus mutations are expected to be most common.

Though, perhaps next year influenza, pneumonia, strep and bronchitis cases may get reported in their own channels rather than as COVID-19 cases.

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Patrick MJD
Reply to  ATheoK
April 4, 2021 2:02 pm

There are already several variants, 2 in the UK, 1 in Nigeria, 1 in South Africa and some others. These vaccines are bit like closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

Phils Dad
April 3, 2021 8:30 pm

The missing figure in the extract above is the normal / expected rate of these types of blood clots in the general population (i.e. before COVID-19 or vaccines) which according to the EHP is between 2 and 16 per million. Although this is an unhelpfully wide range it is clear that 30 UK cases from 15 million jabs (at the time the thirtieth was recorded) is right at the low end of what would have been expected without the jabs. In other words it would probably have happened anyway.

Statistically – in the UK – you are just as likely to get run over by a bus but it would be a stretch to link that with being vaccinated.

The only clots here are the ones who refuse the vaccine.

Reply to  Phils Dad
April 4, 2021 4:38 am

A Prothrombotic Thrombocytopenic Disorder Resembling Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia Following Coronavirus-19 Vaccination
Background. Vaccines are important for managing the COVID-19 pandemic caused by SARS-CoV-2. However, following widespread vaccination using a recombinant adenoviral vector encoding the spike protein antigen of SARS-CoV-2 (AZD1222, AstraZeneca), reports have emerged of some vaccine recipients developing unusual thrombotic events and thrombocytopenia. We investigated whether such patients could have a prothrombotic disorder caused by platelet-activating antibodies directed against platelet factor 4 (PF4), as is known to be caused by heparin and sometimes other environmental triggers.
Methods. We summarized the clinical and laboratory features of 9 patients in Germany and Austria who developed thrombosis and thrombocytopenia events following AZD1222 vaccination. Serum from four patients was used to test for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies, both by immunoassay and by platelet activation assays performed in the presence of heparin, PF4, or both.
Results. The 9 patients (8 female; median age, 36 [range, 22—49) presented with thrombosis beginning 4 to 16 days post-vaccination: 7 patients had cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT), 1 had pulmonary embolism, and 1 had splanchnic vein thrombosis and CVT; 4 patients died. None had received heparin prior to symptom onset. All four patients tested strongly positive for anti-PF4/heparin antibodies by immunoassay; all 4 patients tested strongly positive in the platelet activation assay in the presence of PF4 independently of heparin. Platelet activation was inhibited by high concentrations of heparin, Fc receptor-blocking monoclonal antibody, and intravenous immunoglobulin.
Conclusions. The AZD1222 vaccine is associated with development of a prothrombotic disorder that clinically resembles heparin-induced thrombocytopenia but which shows a different serological profile.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 5, 2021 10:45 am

 The authors disclose conflicts of interest, including personal fees from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.”

April 3, 2021 8:52 pm

Recycled drugs such as ivermectin, HCQ, anti-depressives and prostrate medication have shown promise in reduction in Covid deaths. I have just finished reading the pre-print of a paper that makes the case for white button mushrooms (WBM)! Apparently WBM act in a similar fashion that the prostrate drugs do. Then there are the nasal sprays and of course vitamins D and C plus Zn along with dietary issues such as diabetes.

I’ve been reading for many months and I find it fair with many links to sites that have been researching Covid around the world. Well worth a look.

Reply to  Polski
April 4, 2021 9:19 am

There is no true intention to heale people, for what ever reason, it’s the waiting for “vaccines” for what ever reason behind, else, the recycled drugs wouldt have been promoted much stronger and there wouldt have been much earlier a gain in antibody spread in the population.

Patrick MJD
April 3, 2021 9:37 pm

I will not take this poison.

Robert of Texas
April 3, 2021 10:43 pm

One simply has to know how many possible cases of blood clotting have occurred against the number of people vaccinated with this vaccine. It’s a tiny number even if you assume they are all caused by vaccination.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Robert of Texas
April 5, 2021 9:53 am

See my post above…or below, I lost track.
Just for the two most well known, and not counting heart attacks and strokes, it can be expected that if every day at this point three million people are getting vaccinated for COVID in the US, between 5 and 17 of them every day will also have a pulmonary embolism or a deep vein thrombosis.
Check my math, Robert, if you care to…I might have miscalculated.
I am not surprised that you have the exact same perspective on this as I did.
One has to look at how many people get “blood clots” every day regardless of vaccines or anything else.

What constitutes a blood clot?
Well, if one gets a splinter or a hangnail and does not bleed to death, it is because the blood clotted first instead.
There is a whole encyclopedia of things that come under the general heading of blood clots:
Thrombosis – Wikipedia

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Vincent Causey
April 4, 2021 12:18 am

The “original” Covid-19 death rate was never around 2%. The problem is, you can’t speak only of death rate without specifying whether you mean case fatality rate or infection fatality rate. Case fatality rate is the ratio of deaths to the number of patients who are so ill they turn up at the hospital as cases. Infection fatality rate is simply the ratio of the numbers who die compared to the numbers who have become infected. Since a lot of people don’t even have symptoms, we can’t even be sure of the true numbers, but even taking the number of positive cases, IFR is estimated to be around 0.2%. And for healthy people under fifty, a lot less. In the view of Dr Yeadon, a young healthy person has more chance of being killed driving to the vaccination centre than dying from Covid-19. The injuries and deaths caused by the vaccine however, are proving to be significant – and that’s only short term.

April 4, 2021 1:20 am

There is a suspicion that it is not the vaccine but the way it is given out. Normally with an injection in the top of the arm, it is aspirated( pulled lightly out to check if they have gone into a blood vessel which is very dangerous as it should go into the muscle) These covid vaccines are not being aspirated, which means that with tens of millions of injections some will find a blood vessel and go straight into the blood…..

Reply to  Anthony
April 4, 2021 1:22 am

should say pulled slightly out

Old Cocky
Reply to  Anthony
April 4, 2021 2:00 am

That’s quite interesting, and seems a useful working hypothesis. Is there a reason for the different technique? Do you have a reference?

Reply to  Old Cocky
April 4, 2021 4:52 am

never ever had that done for ANY vax I have had
its jab n squirt n go

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  ozspeaksup
April 5, 2021 9:57 am

They stick the needle in and push the plunger.
Always, every time, with every vaccine.

April 4, 2021 4:58 am

The BBC news had a story 2 nights ago from a hospital in France. A woman had been admitted with serious covid19 infection and was entering intensive care. It turned out she had a month or so previously been offered the AZ vaccine. She refused. She was holding out for the Pfizer vaccine. But she got covid19 before it arrived.

The woman was asked if she thinks she made the wrong decision about refusing the AstraZeneca vaccine. Her reply: “non”. (She might have added – “je ne regret rien”?)

The chance that that woman will fail to survive is in the tens of percent. Somewhat higher than the risk of an AZ blood clot.

She chose ……… poorly.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 5, 2021 10:01 am

Multiply this by the millions of people who refuse to get vaccinated.
I cannot figure out if they think they are being brave or something.
Or are they cowards?
Are they too delicate for vaccines?
Or too tough?
I wonder how many refusing vaccination are gonna volunteer to work the covid wards, changing sheets and bed pans, with no PPE…since there is nothing to be concerned about?

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Patrick MJD
April 4, 2021 1:12 pm

My sister, in the UK, had the first dose the other day of this vaccine and has has a severe allergic reaction to it. She will not have the second dose. Don’t blame her, experimental, emergency use approved, vaccines with little testing. What could possibly go wrong?

April 4, 2021 3:01 pm

Britain are rolling out the AZ vaccine at full speed. Covid rates are falling and lockdown is being phased out.

In both the EU and the US, covid infection rates are rising. Lockdowns are on the way back. And both the US and EU are sitting on stocks of tens of millions of vials of the AZ vaccine which they are refusing to use primarily out of political and national prejudice against the U.K.

How many lives are they willing to sacrifice in order to indulge their anglophobic nationalist political agendas? We’ll soon find out.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 4, 2021 8:12 pm

Britain is considering “freedom passports”, a similar thing in Denmark as I understand. There are some major events coming up in the UK in a few weeks, and “COVID safe freedom passports” are going to be trialled. You will have to have a “smartphone” app. Deaths from “COVID-19” in the UK are not on the rise. Italy tested 18,000 people the other day and they “tested” positive for whatever the PCR CT number wanted to produce.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 5, 2021 10:04 am

AstraZeneca has not even filed for an EUA in the US yet.
So I am not sure what you are talking about.
We have three vaccines here, and at this point we are vaccinating about three million a day and rising fast.
We will have enough of the two best ones for everyone, and then some, by the end of May.
It is unlikely we have enough people to jab arms to get it done any faster than it is getting done already.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 5, 2021 10:08 am

BTW, I live in Florida, and there are no lockdowns here.
There have not been and will not be any.
No mask mandates either, at least not at the government level.
But almost everyone wears one anyway.
Because most people just want to get this all over with and not be antisocial, nitwitted, or hardheaded about it.
And I think I am not the only one who is acutely aware the Democrats will be so very happy if tens of millions of conservatives refuse to get vaccinated.
Sure would be a shame if it is breaking that way on the numbers of antivaxxers.

April 5, 2021 2:30 am

The AstraZeneca vaccine will not be an issue for the USA.
The USA has decided to join Europe in its hostility toward AZ based on nationalistic predjudice.
Therefore latest indications are that AstraZeneca will withdraw its application for U.S. approval, emergency or otherwise.
An under-priced drug is offensive to the financial-pharmaceutical community of the US where the idea of low cost medical care is fundamentally intolerable.
So anti-vaxxers all – pop a champagne bottle to celebrate, preferably in a room with several hundred of you together.
B.1.1.7 is another British export which does not require FDA approval – enjoy!

Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 5, 2021 7:53 am

Sorry for the late reply. In the back of my mind, I wonder if taking low-dose aspirin after receiving the vaccine would prevent blood clots. About 7 years ago, they accidentally found that I had two large blood clots in my vein coming from my right leg. After a one-year regimen of blood thinner, the hematologist recommended that I take low-dose aspirin for the rest of my life. He had no idea what caused the blood clots.

I don’t like the term “anti-vaxxers” — it’s another word that causes division among us. Personally, I take every immunization they offer me, because I feel like (not scientific) it increases my overall immunity. And I am continuing on as a participant in the Phase-3 Moderna vaccine study. I found out that I received the real vaccine in Aug/Sep 2020.

Reply to  littlepeaks
April 5, 2021 8:43 am

Good points. Perhaps a few aspirins should be given with each AZ jab?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 5, 2021 10:36 am

There is zero evidence of any increase risk of blood clotting.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
April 5, 2021 10:24 am

The vaccine is free here.
All of them.
Trump paid for hundreds of millions of doses from each of several companies long before any got the clinical trails underway.
The US gave AstraZeneca $1.2 billion in funding.

That is the largest reason we have hundreds of millions of doses made to date, with much more coming every week.
I have not heard anyone here bashing anything.
How many billion did GB put up in advance, knowing it could be wasted if the drugs did not work? Serious question, I do not know.
But I know what you are saying is BS.
The J and J one is made by Janssen, a Belgium company.
The US also funded Sanofi (French) and GSK (British) to the tune of $2.1 billion.

Many do not want the J and J one, because it is less effective.
But some only want that one, because it is based on an older approach.
No one is even talking about or caring about one that is not approved yet.
In fact there are several that will possibly apply for an EUA in the coming weeks and months.

What is up with this USA bashing?
No one here gives a tiny rats ass where the stuff comes from, only that it works.

Operation Warp Speed – Wikipedia

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April 6, 2021 6:43 am

The blood clotting risk with the AZ vaccine is still unproven. ~18M million AZ jabs done in the UK and 3 or 4 dead, no higher than normal. Compare that with the statistically ~35 lives saved per million jabs per week.
Macron is beyond stupid, France is already a vaccine skeptical country (see this comparison between countries) and he throws petrol on the fire to reduce the take up even further.

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