Experts Blame Global Warming for Cold Weather in Thailand and Singapore

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Not quite the snow storm in Delhi scene out of “The Day After Tomorrow”, but notably cooler temperatures in regions which are normally intensely tropical, prompting the climate explainers to leap into damage control.

Is Singapore’s pleasant chill a hint of coming climate change?

In a region usually plagued by sweltering heat, January brought cold snaps to Singapore, Manila and BangkokBut climate experts said the chilly weather may have been partly responsible for heavy rain and flooding in Southeast Asia, with possibly worse events to come

Cheryl Heng
Published: 2:00pm, 9 Feb, 2021

In a region usually plagued by sweltering heat, cooler weather prevailed in January. Temperatures fell as low as 19 degrees Celsius (66 degrees Fahrenheit) in Manila, while Bangkok recorded a record low of 16 degrees.

climate experts warned it could be the first hint of unfolding climate change in the region.

“The slightly cooler air delivers lots of moisture, which can lead to heavy rainfall and flooding, said Matthew Ashfold, head of the environmental and geographical sciences school at the University of Nottingham Malaysia.At particular risk, he said, were the east coast states of peninsular Malaysia, “which typically receive lots of rainfall when cold air outbreaks occur”.

“These cold spells in the weather for Singapore have been used by climate contrarians to question the reality of human-induced climate change,” Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

“The latest batch of extreme weather events, including cold temperatures and heavy rainfall, suggests that the climate is entering uncharted territory,” Horton said. “Weather will increasingly fall outside the historical norm.”

Read more: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3121121/singapores-pleasant-chill-hint-coming-climate-change

We had it tough here in tropical Australia as well. Thanks to global warming, temperatures have struggled to climb above 90F, leading to slower ice melt in our beer coolers, and mass confusion when cold water flows out of faucets.

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Tom Halla
February 9, 2021 10:10 am

So cool weather in Southeast Asia is now evidence for global climate change? This looks like a heads I win, tails you lose exercise in logic chopping.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 9, 2021 10:58 am

I remember a time when the Consensus Creators argued that you couldn’t conflate weather and climate. Before they began conflating weather with climate.

Theirs is a Political Non-Science (nonsense) which is why the name of the game is “Heads they win, Tails you lose.”

MarkH
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 9, 2021 2:51 pm

To the truly pious acolyte of the church of scientism, everything is a sign of the validity of the prophesies of their “experts”. It is religious thinking (nothing personal against religion in general), because scientism is religious in nature. What makes scientism really scary is that there is no underlying morality to it. That road has been traveled before, and only leads to a pile of skulls.

Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 10:12 am

Who, or what, is Horton? I thought the ‘science’ was in, so why is there a need to ‘figure out why climate changes’?

Mr.
Reply to  Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 10:49 am

C’mon man.
Horton et al have their phoney-baloney jobs to protect.

Peter W
Reply to  Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 12:09 pm

Didn’t you ever hear about how Horton hatched the egg?

MarkW
Reply to  Peter W
February 9, 2021 12:56 pm

Was that before or after Horton heard a Who.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  MarkW
February 9, 2021 3:07 pm

I think this Horton was honing his only expertise, which involves a certain body part.

RicDre
Reply to  Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 12:32 pm

I thought the ‘science’ was in, so why is there a need to ‘figure out why climate changes’?

I wondered about that too when I read it. I thought they already knew why the climate is changing and all that was left was to figure how bad it is going to be.

Derg
Reply to  RicDre
February 9, 2021 1:14 pm

CO2 RicDre, it’s the CO2. Add more CO2 and you get climate change…not global warming, but climate change.

SMC
Reply to  Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 12:33 pm

Isn’t Horton an elephant from the jungle of Nool. I believe he discovered the town of Whosville on a spec of dust and managed to brefriend some of The Who’s.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  SMC
February 9, 2021 1:07 pm

SMC: see my 1:06 pm above

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 1:06 pm

Horton is the Elephant in Horton Hears a Who!. by Dr. Seuss. An Elephant’s faithful 100%. In Horton Hatches the Egg, he says: “I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant’s faithful, one hundred percent!” Words that have never come out of a “climate scientists” mouth.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Iain Russell
February 9, 2021 4:17 pm

“Horton” is the one who heard the Who.
(He may have also had something to do an egg.)

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 9, 2021 4:20 pm

I should have read more of the comments. All those bases were covered.

Vuk
February 9, 2021 10:14 am

What about us in the UK ?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Vuk
February 9, 2021 10:35 am

Chicken littles are ignored now.

czechlist
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 4:50 pm

I recently reread Chicken Little and realized the analogy applies not just to his lack of common sense but to his followers who unquestionably believed him without any empirical evidence. Of course they went to government for relief and Foxey Loxey preyed on their naivete. Foxey thrived and Little survived while his fellow travelers met their demise.

Mike
Reply to  Vuk
February 9, 2021 11:07 am

Coldest night in the UK for over 10 years, coldest January for 10 years. Lots of snow everywhere!

fred250
Reply to  Vuk
February 9, 2021 12:40 pm

“What about us in the UK ?”

.

You will get the weather you deserve, coupled with increased blackouts..

…. and being Pommies, you will whinge a bit, but generally just grin and bear it.

philincalifornia
Reply to  fred250
February 9, 2021 2:28 pm

We beat India in the cricket mate. Something you lot couldn’t do.

I didn’t grin and bear it. I moved to California. Aren’t I lucky? Even here in libtard central, my space is a libtard-free zone. It’s mostly because the rich capitalists here are actually faking it, so it ain’t so hard. We even have Venture Capitalists here who are Socialists. It’s a funny old world is Libtardia, especially if you have to live in it which, fortunately, I don’t.

PCman999
Reply to  fred250
February 9, 2021 5:54 pm

What a shame! I thought global warming would dry-out the UK, and the poor sods would get a bit of Sun. Make them less moody and more uppity like their American and Aussie cousins. Full disclosure: I’m Canadian, ridiculed by all as the most polite species on this planet, and most in need of global warming.

Climate believer
Reply to  PCman999
February 10, 2021 12:20 am

 I’m Canadian, ridiculed by all as the most polite species on this planet, “

Try being half Scottish/French!!…. makes the 6 Nations Rugby a nightmare 😉

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Vuk
February 9, 2021 3:32 pm

Think of the freezing weather as thinning the herd, via “heat or eat”.

SAMURAI
February 9, 2021 10:25 am

But, but, but…. a year ago, Leftists warned we now have 11 years remaining before the earth becomes uninhabitable from catastrophic CO2 induced global warming…

Are Leftists now saying CO2 causes both warming and cooling?

I really wish they’d make up their minds…

Richard Page
Reply to  SAMURAI
February 9, 2021 11:35 am

Unfortunately they have made up their minds. It causes hot weather, cold weather, drought, rain, high winds, lack of wind, cloud cover, lack of cloud cover, increased storms, decreased storms and every thing you can imagine in between. Whatever happens with the weather, they have the answer without thinking about it – it’s got to be man made climate change.

andy in epsom
Reply to  Richard Page
February 9, 2021 11:49 am

You forgot about the holes in the ozone.

Richard Page
Reply to  andy in epsom
February 9, 2021 1:26 pm

Nope – holes in the ozone are, apparently, caused by rampant unbridled capitalist consumption. To whit – people demanded cheap fridges and it was that unchecked evil wot dun it. sarc

Peter W
Reply to  Richard Page
February 9, 2021 12:11 pm

Exactly right! You just have to understand that EVERYTHING is the fault of globull warming!

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Peter W
February 9, 2021 1:22 pm

… but not the sun …

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Peter W
February 9, 2021 1:24 pm

No, no, no – It’s Bush’s fault, or is it Trump’s fault?

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 9, 2021 2:15 pm

It’s your fault and you must be made to atone (pay) for your sins.
That is, you and all your fellow denialists, who aren’t hip enough to buy carbon offsets for your private jets.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Alan Robertson
February 9, 2021 8:20 pm

Do I need carbon offsets for my private jakes?

Alan Robertson
Reply to  SAMURAI
February 9, 2021 2:11 pm

From the article: “The slightly cooler air delivers lots of moisture,”

And all this time, the warmunists have been rationalizing all occurrences of increased snowfall by saying, “warmer air holds more moisture, therefore it snows more”.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Alan Robertson
February 9, 2021 4:34 pm

And here I thought that “our kids won’t know what snow is” because of Global Warming?
Now they do because of “Climate Change”?

PS Weren’t those areas famous for a seasonal something called “Monsoons” long before the Industrial Age? The “Age” that, they say, has doomed us all to the Dark Ages?

SAMURAI
Reply to  Alan Robertson
February 9, 2021 11:25 pm

Alan-san:
the warmunists have been rationalizing all occurrences of increased snowfall “

Yeah, but Leftists also said, “kids soon won’t know what snow looks like because of Global Warming…”

It’s confusing to a Leftist; so many lies to remember..

Fortunately, Leftists have pal-reviewed papers to propagandize both man-made global cooling or warming, so they now prefer the opened ended “man made climate change”.

So whatever happens to earth’s climate, it’s man’s fault and they’ve got a pal-reviewed paper to support their rubbish “science”…

Reply to  SAMURAI
February 9, 2021 7:20 pm

THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
[excerpt]

Predictions of Imminent Global Cooling, Starting Anytime Soon

Allan MacRae also published on September 1, 2002, based on a conversation with Dr. Tim Patterson, the prediction that global cooling, which happened from ~1940 to 1977, would recommence by 2020-2030:

“Over the past one thousand years, global temperatures exhibited strong correlation with variations in the sun’s activity. This warming and cooling was certainly not caused by manmade variations in atmospheric CO2, because fossil fuel use was insignificant until the 20th century.

Temperatures in the 20th century also correlate poorly with atmospheric CO2 levels, which increased throughout the century. However, much of the observed warming in the 20th century occurred before 1940, there was cooling from 1940 to 1977 and more warming after 1977. Since 80 per cent of manmade CO2 was produced after 1940, why did much of the warming occur before that time? Also, why did the cooling occur between 1940 and 1977 while CO2 levels were increasing? Again, these warming and cooling trends correlate well with variations in solar activity.

Only since 1977 does warming correlate with increased CO2, but solar activity also increased during this period. This warming has only been measured at the earth’s surface, and satellites have measured little or no warming at altitudes of 1.5 to eight kilometres. This pattern is inconsistent with CO2 being the primary driver for warming. If solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.

For the past ~five years, MacRae has written that global cooling would start closer to 2020. This global cooling will start sporadically, at different locations in the world.

Told you so, ~19 years ago.

Regards, Allan

Derge
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 10, 2021 1:03 pm

I am actually looking forward to this. I want everything burned to the ground. Every foundation, every institution, every government torn asunder. I am fully aware and prepared for hardship.

Mankind needs a reset.

Derge
Reply to  Derge
February 10, 2021 1:04 pm

Also I noticed there’s another user with the name ‘Derg’. That’s not me. I’ve used this moniker for 21 years.

Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 9, 2021 10:25 am

“climate experts warned it could be the first hint of unfolding climate change in the region” …We’ve been beaten over the head regarding climate change for 40 years but it’s just now affecting this region?

Bill Powers
Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 9, 2021 11:14 am

They didn’t have CNN until now. Its the old tree in the forest making sound if no one is around problem.. Without CNN, there was no man made global warm…ahh we really meant climate change all along. Like they say Silence is Golden.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 9, 2021 3:14 pm

That must mean it’s regional, not global. Haven’t they been telling us all along it’s global warming? Or is the cooling just regional but it’s still warming there also? And how does this square with Arrhenius’ experiments? That is their proof that it’s CO2 doing the damage.

David Middleton
February 9, 2021 10:26 am

Lots of Weasel words: could, may, misinformation

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  David Middleton
February 9, 2021 12:02 pm

Blasphemer!!!! How dare you.

Derg
Reply to  David Middleton
February 9, 2021 1:16 pm

Cram it up your cram hole LeFleur!

goldminor
Reply to  David Middleton
February 9, 2021 1:36 pm

So many weasel words. That is a sure sign that there is a weasel at work.

Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 10:32 am

The “climate explainers” already realize that “climate change” doesn’t always refer to ‘global warming (AGW)” any longer because the planet appears to be starting to cool. The term “climate change” always was an appeal to ambiguity … obvious equivocation and was formally adopted during “the pause” as far more resilient than AGW. Like the fallacy consensus, “climate change” was a term the ignorant public could get behind.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 1:53 pm

Nobody knows exactly, but CO2, supposed to warm the earth, is maybe far more effective as a cooling gas ? 😀

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 9, 2021 5:41 pm

Oddly enough, when I was in high school, back in the day when CO2 was 280 ppm … we were also taught that it was also a cooling gas. Some things stay in the memory.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 5:32 pm

Because their “climate change” = weather, some thing nobody can deny and effects almost everything.
Even official climate is only about averages in a 30 year period, which is on the geological scale “weather” too.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  AntonyIndia
February 9, 2021 5:47 pm

It’s all weather, whether we like it or not. As you say, “climate” is a geological concept and it’s local or regional … never global. Some very dynamic climates change on a relatively short interval (especially those affected by large bodies of water), while others see little or no change for hundreds of years or even millennia.

The objective of AGW true believers and “climate change” luvies is to scramble the brains of the ignorant to bring about social change. Climate never had a thing to do with it.

February 9, 2021 10:36 am

The deploarble prof. Rahmstorf ist telling the same BS
The actual cold in USA and Europe is due to Arctic warming, missing Arctic ice etc.
The sudden statospheric warming has it’s root in warming by CO2, that’s why we have the polar  splitcomment image

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Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 9, 2021 11:51 am

Just more evidence that Climate Change has become a religion of faith. In a religion Causal arrows always point to Will of a Creator.
In the Climate religion, all causal arrows of severe weather point to mankind’s sins of CO2 emission from FF and thus a punishment of humanity and the Earth by an unhappy Gaia.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 9, 2021 12:25 pm

BTW, I know, the deplorable knows the papers of Haigh and these from Lockwood.
And I’m shure he knows what the TCI is.
But he ignores that because it doesn’t fit his agenda.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 9, 2021 12:55 pm

I wouldt prefer to call it Climat Voodoo.

CD in Wisconsin
February 9, 2021 10:37 am

“These cold spells in the weather for Singapore have been used by climate contrarians to question the reality of human-induced climate change,” Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

Alarmists moving the goalposts again. Once again, CO2 causes both warming a cooling.

As I have said in the past, if NFL kickers could keep moving the goalposts like this, they could put the posts practically wherever they wanted–in which case, they would never miss a field goal or an extra point. I’m sure they would love it.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 9, 2021 10:56 am

“Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

I thought the CAGW advocates had already figured out just how the climate changes! It’s supposedly a consensus.

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Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 9, 2021 11:53 am

“Such misinformation blasphemy obscures the work scientists climate priests are doing to figure out divine just how climate changes.”

Fixed it.

fred250
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 9, 2021 12:44 pm

““Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.””

.

So.. not “settled” at all….

… that statement reads like “they haven’t got a clue”

Richard Page
Reply to  fred250
February 9, 2021 1:33 pm

Of course they haven’t got a flippin’ clue – this entire climate change bull, going on over 40 years, is because they don’t have clue one about what causes climate change nor how to find out what does. They’ve been flailing about all this time trying desperately to buy time for just one monkey to hit the right combination of buttons on the typewriter and save them all.

4 Eyes
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 9, 2021 1:31 pm

“These cold spells in the weather for Singapore have been used by climate contrarians to question the reality of human-induced climate change,” Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

So now just questioning is misinformation.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  4 Eyes
February 10, 2021 4:50 am

What he means is that he doesn’t want anything to get in the way of his grant money.

Gunga Din
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 9, 2021 4:38 pm

Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

So the “science isn’t settled” after all!
Nice to hear an admission.

ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 10:38 am

Can’t be.

It’s the Juneteenth warmest year on record.

Redge
February 9, 2021 10:38 am

If climate change is responsible for hot, cold, storms, calm, drought, floods, hurricanes, no hurricanes, etc., isn’t it just weather?

Peter W
Reply to  Redge
February 9, 2021 12:15 pm

Of course! Isn’t it interesting to see how all it takes is a little weather to get rid of all of that terrible heat trapped by the CO2! (Which raises the obvious question as to why, if all it takes is a little weather to get rid of it, we should be so worried about it.)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Redge
February 9, 2021 12:24 pm

But “climate change” IS “responsible for hot, cold, storms, calm, drought, floods, hurricanes, no hurricanes, etc..”

“Change”, by definition, can include anything and everything local weather can get up to. When they say “climate change” it’s meant to be ambiguous and equivocal. They try to force the public into accepting that anthropogenic CO2 causes all atypical weather, not just warming.

David A
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 8:34 pm

Yep, full on gaslighting EVERYTHING!

ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 10:40 am

Better hurry up and sign up for Paris Agreement redistribution payments…..to pay for coal shipments for warmth.

ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 10:45 am

Have they erased snowball earth from the science record yet?

Notanacademic
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 12:10 pm

I don’t think so but they are working on getting rid of the Holocene optimum and if they can’t I’m sure they’ll find a way of blaming us.

Peter W
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 12:17 pm

No, but Svensmark developed an interesting theory to explain it.

ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 10:46 am

Climate change is the Full Employment Act for crackpots.

Gerald Hanner
February 9, 2021 10:56 am

I lived in Thailand in the period 1971-1972. I recall January being quite cool; it was so cool that the Thais were wearing just about all the clothing they owned. We Americans were wearing light jackets. The lowest temperature I can recall was in the low 60s. A few decades later, when I was a tourist in Hawaii, a similar event took place in winter. Temperature in Honolulu dropped into the 60s a few nights in a row. The Hawaiians were wearing several layers of clothing. It was cooler at sea level than I have ever experienced in Hawaii. The driving force in both of those experiences was exceptionally cold Siberian air masses that had moved farther south than usual.

gringojay
Reply to  Gerald Hanner
February 9, 2021 12:18 pm

Thailand has had so-called climate change events for a long time. Analysis of hundreds of year old Thai teaks reveal there were droughts in the 1700s; but these droughts did not match up with the periods in the 1700s when there was unusually warm tropical Pacific sea surface temperature (as determined from Galapagos coral cores).

According to additional teak analysis a mega-drought occurred from around 1756 to 1768 in Thailand & Burma (Myanmar). There was also the long East India drought which occurred from around 1790 to 1796. Myanmar also had a long drought from around 1690 to 1714, which also impacted Thailand, although am uncertain of Thai dates.

A well recorded decade harsh late Victorian era “Great Drought” in India occurred from around 1876 to 1878. Furthermore, the Dandak cave in central India research also indicates India had decadal droughts around the same time Thailand did in the early & mid 1700s.

And even low lying Indonesian Java had a severe drought from 1877 to 1878 contemporaneous with India’s Great Drought; plus there were early & mid 1700s Java droughts. Plantation journals record severe droughts in Java for 1855 & 1868 – but I’ve not attempted to correlate those with any reputed 1800s Thailand droughts.

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Old Woman of the North
Reply to  gringojay
February 9, 2021 4:22 pm

North eastern Australia had a bad drought 1735 -1743 which was discovered from taking a core sample from a large coral outcrop. The Burdekin river which sends silt out to the reef when it floods did not run during this period. As it is in the wet tropic zone it must have been very very dry.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Gerald Hanner
February 9, 2021 12:47 pm

Could you please advise as to your current approximate location? I may want to consider moving! 😀

OweninGA
Reply to  Gerald Hanner
February 9, 2021 3:22 pm

When I was on Guam, we would get heavy thunderstorms and for a few hours after they ended the temperature would fall to the 60s. Us mainlanders would be wandering around in shorts and tshirts and the folks from Guam would have on parkas. I never knew where the parkas came from or why they would have them, but there they would be.

Vuk
February 9, 2021 11:25 am

Latest from the UK:
“Cumbria: Plans for UK’s first deep coal mine in 30 years thrown into doubt after local council reconsiders application.A spokesperson said: ‘This decision has been taken because in December 2020, the Government’s Climate Change Committee released its report on its recommendations for the Sixth Carbon Budget, a requirement under the Climate Change Act.
The report, among other things, sets out the volume of greenhouse gases the UK aims to emit during 2033-2037’
Load of wancars (spelling error)

Richard Page
Reply to  Vuk
February 9, 2021 11:49 am

Cumbria County Council are taking fire from Lord Deben and activist groups against the mine and various groups, workers and developers for it. They tried to pass the hot potato to the government, who declined and passed it right back, now they have to actually make the decision they are paid to do and live with the consequences.

February 9, 2021 11:35 am

Here we go again. I thought Obama’s science advisor, John Holdren, said the science was settled — more cold causes more heat … https://newtube.app/user/RAOB/3fEZDK4#

Jean Parisot
February 9, 2021 11:44 am

“Weather will increasingly fall outside the historical norm.”

Becoming the new historic norm …

Peter W
Reply to  Jean Parisot
February 9, 2021 12:19 pm

It is called an approaching ice age.

Tom
Reply to  Jean Parisot
February 9, 2021 12:42 pm

We have no idea what ‘historical norms’ are. We’ve only had records for a couple of hundred years in that region, and reliable records for a few decades.
The earth is billions of years old. Calling current weather outside of historical norms is just self-important arrogance with no meaning or basis in fact.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom
February 9, 2021 12:51 pm

Frankly, it’s amazing they’re even looking a couple hundred years back, given the recent fad of ignoring any “history” more than 4 years ago.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jean Parisot
February 9, 2021 5:52 pm

fall outside the historical norm”

Somebody should notify us when this happens.

Of course, it’s been cool in Thailand in the past.

As far as I know, all weather events humans experience today are no more extreme than weather events in the past.

Alarmists try to tie extreme weather to CO2 because it’s easy to fool people who don’t know the history of weather on Earth.

It’s all happened before. There is no unprecedented weather and there is no unprecedented warming going on.

Tieing extreme weather events to CO2 is a sign of desperation.

Jean Parisot
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 1:19 pm

I don’t think its a sign of desperation, its simply good marketing. Bad science, but good marketing.

Lars Tunkrans
February 9, 2021 11:45 am

Global mean temperature has dropped 0.7 degrees since November, due to the stongest La Niña in 10 years. now its just 0.1 degrees above the 1979 – 2000 mean value.

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Reply to  Lars Tunkrans
February 9, 2021 10:47 pm

From previous posts on wattsup:
 
CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., June 15, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/
[excerpts]

This formula works reasonably well back to 1982, which is the limit of my data availability.
5. UAH LT Global Temperatures can be predicted ~4 months in the future with just two parameters:
UAHLT (+4 months) = 0.2*Nino34Anomaly + 0.15 – 5*SatoGlobalAerosolOpticalDepth (Figs. 5a and 5b)

6. The sequence is Nino34 Area SST warms, seawater evaporates, Tropical atmospheric humidity increases, Tropical atmospheric temperature warms, Global atmospheric temperature warms, atmospheric CO2 increases (Figs.6a and 6b).

I wrote in August 2020:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/23/solar-plasma-temperature-is-plunging-should-we-worry/#comment-3068819
Check out NIno34 temperatures, again down to Minus 0.6C – winter will be cold.
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Nino34 SST Anom’s hit minimums of minus1.4C-1.3C in Oct2020 and Nov2020 – global coldest temperatures (+4 months) should be Feb2021 and Mar2021.*  
* Looking at the data – I’d have to go with Yankee Groundhog Punxsutawney Phil (predicts six more weeks of winter), not Canuck’s Wiarton Willie, Shubenacadie Sam and Fred La Marmotte (call early spring). The Rite of Spring, like science, is not a democracy – it’s not about consensus – it is what it is! Attaboy Phil! Hi Four!

Check the beautiful La Nina in the equatorial Pacific Ocean – the blue stuff.
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Joel O'Bryan
February 9, 2021 12:00 pm

Climate Speak, 1984 Edition.
reminders:

disinformation = blasphemy
climate contrarians = blasphemers
cold spells = global warming in disguise
carbon pollution = humanity’s sins of life-giving CO2 to biosphere

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 9, 2021 12:34 pm

The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink.

— Part II, Chapter IX

The term “climate change” is the perfect example of double think … an appeal to ambiguity.

alastair gray
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 1:11 pm

Naughty Rory! Doubleplusungood climatespeak. Room 10 for you mate. You just need to work on your doublethink a little bit more and then you will love our BigSibling We got to get our transgenderduckspeak in order so dont forget

Richard Page
Reply to  alastair gray
February 9, 2021 1:38 pm

(facepalm) Room 101. You were doing well until that point.

If I remember right, room 10 had the playpen and some rubber duckies.

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  Richard Page
February 9, 2021 2:33 pm

Yep … Room #101 in the Ministry of Love.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 10, 2021 1:48 am

Orwell worked in Room 101 at the BBC during the War.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  alastair gray
February 9, 2021 2:36 pm

Once they control the language, we’re basically screwed. Everyone who dutifully says gender when they mean sex is already brain washed. Intersectionality has already been signed into law by Biden, ending women’s sports, with no opposition.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 3:27 pm

Zhou Biden has not signed anything into law. It’s all Executive Orders. Expect some lawsuits on this. I would personally prefer to see some of these transgenders escorted from the field of play and given a life lesson in biology.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
February 9, 2021 5:34 pm

Thank you for the correction. So an Executive Order has roughly the same weight of law as an “order in Council”, here in Canada, except in the US the majority in the House can then make them law.

Pandering to the intersectional community on matters of basic science is insane. Whoever thought that the courts should have the authority to alter biology is an idiot.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 10, 2021 1:52 am

Pi = 3 next.

Derge
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
February 10, 2021 1:54 pm

When a Democrat signs an E.O., it is de facto law. Don’t believe me? Take a look no further than Soetoro’s DACA decree. Upheld by the Supreme Court.

Old Woman of the North
Reply to  Rory Forbes
February 9, 2021 4:29 pm

Have a look at the next ‘Women’s weight lifting team’ pictured in Instapundit’s last weekend Powerline in pictures!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Old Woman of the North
February 9, 2021 5:36 pm

I hate to even look. It’ll be an open invitation to every pervert or failed male medal holder to invade the women’s locker room and practice his fetish.

ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 12:06 pm
John F Hultquist
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 9, 2021 4:45 pm

That last dead guy lived in a nearly draftless closed hut, smoked, and burned dried Yak dung for heat and cooking. He also died young.

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 9, 2021 12:13 pm

‘To question the reality of human-induced climate change’ == misinformation ??

Horton must be desperate for an explanation, any explanation.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 9, 2021 6:02 pm

All skeptics do is request that evidence be supplied for any climate change claims. That’s a reasonable request.

The only people who would not consider that a reasonable request are those who don’t have any evidence to back up their claims.

Currently, that would include 100 percent of alarmists and their claims. They never provide any evidence.

That causes me to think they don’t have any evidence to show, because they could shut the skeptics up pretty quick if they had a little evidence, and I think we all know they would love to do that more than just about anything in the world. But they can’t manage to do it because they don’t have what they claim they have.

I’m drawing a negative inference here.

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Robber
February 9, 2021 12:23 pm

Who are these “climate experts”?

Chris Nisbet
February 9, 2021 12:29 pm

Cripes, is there anywhere that isn’t suffering with cold weather this year? UK, Europe, China, North America, Australia, Thailand, Singapore – all cold(er).
Global warming has a lot to answer for.

Editor
February 9, 2021 12:36 pm

Good one Eric! Meanwhile here in Texas we are facing -5C and snow in a few days. The air has been so dry my lips are cracking. I learned what chap stick is. We were blessed with a little of our normal humidity today and I celebrated.

Were is that d**ned global warming when you need it?

alastair gray
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 9, 2021 1:21 pm

TulipMania started about 1593 and collapsed in 1637.. I wonder if AGW will have a similar trajectory and may not COVID be part of the cure? see below from Wikipaedia
“Tulip mania reached its peak during the winter of 1636–37, when some bulb contracts were reportedly changing hands ten times in a day. No deliveries were ever made to fulfill any of these contracts, because in February 1637, tulip bulb contract prices collapsed abruptly and the trade of tulips ground to a halt.[44] The collapse began in Haarlem, when, for the first time, buyers apparently refused to show up at a routine bulb auction. This may have been because Haarlem was then suffering from an outbreak of bubonic plague. The existence of the plague may have helped to create a culture of fatalistic risk-taking that allowed the speculation to skyrocket in the first place;[45] this outbreak might also have helped to burst the bubble.[46]

Mike
Reply to  alastair gray
February 9, 2021 6:13 pm

Ian Plimer… 6:59…

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 9, 2021 1:55 pm

Conditioning.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 9, 2021 6:11 pm

“But how do you explain large numbers of people being frightened of warm weather?”

The Leftwing Media of the Western Democracies have been lying to the people about the subject, that’s how. Propaganda works on too many people, and all most are getting today is the Leftist message which promotes scary Human-caused Climate Change, as a means of gaining more power for themselves.

Without the lying, Leftwing Media, the Left would be nothing. With the Leftwing Media, the Left can sway millions of people to their dangerous point of view.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 5:05 am

This is why I have always advocated for changing the narrative to “Warmer is Better”. Forget the hard science and facts, people don’t listen to those, they react to emotion.

Tom
Reply to  Andy May
February 9, 2021 12:48 pm

I used to crack that joke at the nearby train station whenever things got below -10C here in Toronto… “Could use some of that global warming right about now!”… Even up to about 5 years ago I used to get smiles and giggles… But the past few years I’ve been getting lectures about
a) Why the cold is actually caused by global warming, and/or
b) Why global warming is actually terrible even though we are freezing our butts off

So I stopped making the joke to save myself the mindless drivel from the fully indoctrinated masses.

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alastair gray
Reply to  Tom
February 9, 2021 1:24 pm

Defuse it say to people “Its a lot less.more Balmy today than yesterday, and it would be a lot worse without M Trudeau at the helm. Bullshit of course but it may piss some of them off

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Andy May
February 9, 2021 12:49 pm

A: Hiding in a climate model.

Steve Z
February 9, 2021 12:42 pm

If there was an unusually strong cold front over Thailand and Singapore, it’s not surprising that it produced heavy rainfall, since the cooler air could not hold much tropical moisture.

What that would have to do with CO2 escapes me.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Steve Z
February 9, 2021 12:54 pm

We are not worthy to question the glorious work of the anointed climate priests studying the Climate Scriptures and divinations of their climate models. They will reveal the “truth” of climate and tell us how we must repent (and of course, remunerate them) for our fossil fuel sins.

MarkW
February 9, 2021 12:55 pm

The so called polar vortex’s only form in winter, not the summer.
Yet we are told to believe that in a warmer world, there will be more polar vortex’s.

alastair gray
Reply to  MarkW
February 9, 2021 1:27 pm

Carry on thinking while you can. They will send you to a gulag to get rid of that nasty habit. It make you blind you know.

Ian Macculloch
February 9, 2021 1:10 pm

The bliddy tomatoes are a month behind in ripening here in Central Victoria. 25% of the annual rainfall already in the paddocks and dam – typical La Nina effect. And replicated elsewhere. And well explained and well forecast by the BOM on this very blog site late last year. Good job all round.

Old Woman of the North
Reply to  Ian Macculloch
February 9, 2021 6:01 pm

Still no proper rain here in SE Qld very dry now, so the La Niña this year is a fizzier, and we only had 250mm for whole of last year. It has been a cool summer, though.

Paul C
February 9, 2021 1:17 pm

These climate models are going to need some serious remedial work to predict this abnormal double-plus un-heat next time they are going to have been re-run last week. All this predicting future climate is very difficult. Especially the stuff that hasn’t already happened. Particularly inconvenient after all the models have just been fiddled for the upcoming Glasgow jamboree. This settled science is as slippery as an eel when it keeps changing like that.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Paul C
February 9, 2021 2:22 pm

Nah, no rework needed. They already are mismatched with reality. A little more mismatch won’t bother none of ’em.

Hustla
February 9, 2021 1:22 pm

Just my thoughts as I awoke to a 21 degrees top floor apartment in Sydney in the middle of summer when I should be sweating and unable to sleep without aircon.. coolest summer I remember in 30 plus years.

rah
February 9, 2021 1:44 pm

“We had it tough here in tropical Australia as well. Thanks to global warming, temperatures have struggled to climb above 90F, leading to slower ice melt in our beer coolers, and mass confusion when cold water flows out of faucets.”

What the heck happened to the Aussies? Their heritage is British and the British like their beer warm!

Anyone look at the forecast for Merry ole England lately?

BTW it’s been over 20 years since Dr. David Viner said “Children won’t know what snow is and David Parker at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research said “ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.”

Climate believer
February 9, 2021 1:45 pm

“The latest batch of extreme weather events, including cold temperatures and heavy rainfall, suggests that the climate is entering uncharted territory,”

Such bullshi*. What uncharted territory?

Meteorological Service Singapore.

Historical extremes Rainfall:

Highest Monthly Total (mm) 818.6 Jan 1893

Lowest Monthly Total (mm) 0.2 Feb 2014

Highest Daily Total (mm) 512.4 Dec 1978

Highest 60-minute Total (mm) 147 Nov 1995

Highest 30-minute Total (mm) 96 Nov 1995

Historical extremes Temperature:

Highest Daily Maximum Temperature (°C) 36.0 Mar 1998

Lowest Daily Maximum Temperature (°C) 21.2 Jan 1934

Highest Monthly Mean Temperature (°C) 29.5 Mar 1899

Lowest Monthly Mean Temperature (°C) 24.2 Jan 1934

Highest Daily Minimum Temperature (°C) 29.9 Jul 1949

Lowest Daily Minimum Temperature (°C) 19.4 Jan 1934

February 9, 2021 1:53 pm

Warmistas believe that increased CO2 causes higher Global temperatures, but when temperatures fall in many areas, then it is clearly CO2 that is causing that too and we should redouble our efforts to panic. Warmista CO2 theory istotally immune to analysis.

Peta of Newark
February 9, 2021 2:12 pm

Quote: (from the scamp)
“”But while Tay and many others embraced the uncharacteristic chill, climate experts warned it could be the first hint of unfolding climate change in the region.

the first hint – of something that been raging since Jim Hansen sabotaged the air-con
yeah right

Here’s Horton btw – eyes a bit too close together for my liking, he is A Weasel

Again from scamp:
“”The slightly cooler air delivers lots of moisture, which can lead to heavy rainfall and flooding, said Matthew Ashfold“”

If you say so, YOU are The Expert
Further into the scamp article, Horton chips in:
“”The reason is simple: the Earth is getting warmer, with significantly more moisture in the atmosphere. As the atmosphere gets warmer, it can hold more moisture””

By reference to Climate Contrarians, Horton had previously assured the assembled throng that:
“”Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.””

And ain’t that the tactical response in any/all school playground scrums, accuse the other guy of what you know you yourself are guilty of.
Yes, he is a child and a Muppet – he opened his mouth and removed all doubt.
And an ugly one (muppet – all babies are lovely – they all look just like their mothers. and for Good Reason)
With any luck Horton, obscurity is beckoning you right now – I cannot see how it isn’t.

Then Gerry chirps in:
“”weather phenomenon known as La Niña , which typically peaks at this time of year, said Gerry Bagtasa, a professor with the Institute of Environmental Science and Meteorology at the University of the Philippines.La Niña is the cooler phase of a climate cycle called El Niño Southern Oscillation, or Enso,

So you’ve known that ‘winter = cold’ and you’ve known why, sooooo:
Why has it taken you 30 years+ since Hansen to link that to Climate Change?
Why now? What have you been doing all that time?

Again in the scamp article:
“”And in Malaysia, other factors like deforestation could be at play in triggering floods, Ashfold added.”

Please tell me that is NOT where loads of Palm Oil trees are going into the ground?
I think we get it now 😀

Meanwhile back at my old Cumbrian haunt:
Quote:
“”Latest News: 1st February2021January 2021 has been the coldest January since 2010 with a mean temperature of 1.6c, well below the normal of 4.1c, Air and ground frosts were numerous. Snow lay on the ground from the 1st until the 9th, it was very thin at times but a cover non the less. We also had a very wet spell 49.6mm falling on the 19th, wettest January day in 20 years, overall it was the 2nd wettest January””

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lackawaxen123
February 9, 2021 2:14 pm

until someone can clearly state what climate we are changing from and too I assume they are just fraudsters … in reality, there are only 2 climate extremes … snowball earth and no or minimal polar ice capped earth … and we have gone from one extreme to another over long term history …

February 9, 2021 2:55 pm

There is nothing to say to the convince the green mob. If someone cares about knowledge and truth and logic then they respond when they are being charged with not being one of those. What if what people care about is not actually being right but being on the side that is most popular. There is nothing you can say to them. It’s like trying to tell someone that it is not logical to take a new pair of jeans and put holes in them just because it’s in style. They don’t care. We need to educate people so that being truthful and smart are considered cool. Then we may have a chance.

sky king
February 9, 2021 2:58 pm

Woke at 5:00am today in Subic Bay PH at 77F with a windchill of 75F. Will have to burn furniture to survive.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  sky king
February 10, 2021 5:11 am

Are the girls in the bonka boats still in sh*t river?

David
February 9, 2021 3:11 pm

pssssssssssssssst, its the sun, still 😉

jon2009
February 9, 2021 4:21 pm

There’s confusion over climate vs weather.
The solution is simple; when it gets colder that’s weather, when it gets hotter that’s climate.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  jon2009
February 10, 2021 5:14 am

No confusion. Just following the sage advice of “if you don’t have a winning argument, baffle them with bullsh^t”

Sara
February 9, 2021 4:40 pm

I like this: Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

Well, if they can’t figure out how weather works, who can help them?????

See the weather map, with all those isobars doing looopy-looops further south than normal. That might ‘splain stuff to them…. but they prolly won’t unnderstan’ it, ’cause it’s complicated and — well, us peons don’t spend enough time worrying about something like climate change, which really does take lots of time to happen.

Flight Level
February 9, 2021 5:27 pm

Executive order in the pipeline: -From now on, cold is the new hot.

Any questions ?

Richard (the cynical one)
February 9, 2021 6:17 pm

“(Non-expert true believers) Blame Global Warming for Cold Weather . . .”

Al Miller
February 9, 2021 7:28 pm

don’t these “experts” ever tire of being so wrong, being such obvious liars and hypocrites?

Richard Page
Reply to  Al Miller
February 9, 2021 8:33 pm

You’d think they would by now but there seems to be a long queue of idiots lining up to publicly embarrass themselves.

fred250
Reply to  Al Miller
February 10, 2021 3:35 am

“being such obvious liars and hypocrites”

.

It appears that is how you become “famous” in the field of “climate science™.”

Don
February 10, 2021 1:31 pm

Wait a minute ! This chill we are having at the moment is not “weather” as they are trying to convince us , it’s GLOBAL , its climate change all right . It’s cold everywhere North and South . Huge amounts of snow . The cheek of these so called “climate scientists” trying to convince us that cold and snow over vast areas of the earths surface is caused by Global Warming is insulting . And forget the change they have tried over the last 10 years in labelling from Global Warming to Climate Change .
We know the climate changes , it always has and always will but to blame CO2,the only outcome of , according to them , is global warming into the future then Global Warming it is . I think the pot is stirring , and “they” are starting to realise that something is wrong , the temperature is not rising at anywhere near the rate their models are telling them . That won’t stop them though ,it is obvious these people have no conscience and are used to the false gravy train and can’t get off .
None of the disasters forecast are happening apart from the normal. “People are dying” REALLY ! Where would that be ? More droughts ! Is that right ? Worse than China ,1928 3,000,000 dead , Bangladesh 1943 ,1,900,000 dead , India 1942 1,500,000 dead , India 1900 1,250,000 dead , Soviet Union 1921 1,200,000 dead ……….etc . “Whole ecosystems are collapsing” , where? more than usual , any worse than the ecosystem that Mt St Helens annihilated ,over 250 sq kilometres sterilised , a 300 year old forest with millions of trees and animals ,insects wiped away, destroyed a 1300 acre lake turned the water acidic killing all life in it .Ah but that was natural! (came back remarkably quickly).

To bed B
February 10, 2021 7:03 pm

These cold spells in the weather for Singapore have been used by climate contrarians to question the reality of human-induced climate change,” Horton said. “Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate changes.”

How can you be a climate contrarian? Say that the cold weather is the result of global warming?

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