A Chain Of Effects

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In looking at the climate I’m often reminded of Sufi stories. The Sufis are an ancient mystical sect. They are often associated with Islam, and many were Muslims, but the sect preceded Islam.

The Sufis often taught their knowledge by means of most curious stories about life. The Sufis said that every story had seven different meanings.

Often the stories involved a “Mulla”, a holy man, named Nasrudin. He’s either a total fool or a wise saint depending on which end of the telescope you’re looking through. Here’s a story exposing both sides:

Hardly anyone could understand Nasrudin, because sometimes he snatched victory from defeat, sometimes things seemed to go astray because of his blundering. But there was a rumor that he was living on a different plane from others, and one day a young man decided to watch him, to see how he managed to survive at all, and whether anything could be learned from him.

He followed Nasrudin to a riverbank and saw him sit down under a tree. The Mulla suddenly stretched out his hand and a cake appeared in it which he ate. He did this three times. Then he put his hand out again, picked up a goblet, and drank deeply.

The youth, unable to contain himself, rushed up to Nasrudin and caught hold of him. “Tell me how you do these wonderful things, and I will do anything you ask,” he said.

“I will do that,” said Nasrudin, “but first you have to get into the right state of mind. Then time and space have no meaning, and you can be reaching out to the Sultan”s chamberlain to hand you sweetmeats. There is only one proviso.”

“I accept it!” shouted the young man.

“You will have to follow my way.”

“Tell me about it.”

“I can only tell you one thing at a time. Do you want the easy exercise, or the difficult one?”

“I will take the difficult one.”

“This is your first mistake. You have to start with the easy one. But now you cannot, for you have chosen. The difficult one is this: Make a hole in your fence so that your chickens can get into your neighbor’s garden to peck—large enough for that. But it must also be so small that your neighbor’s chickens cannot get into your own garden to feed themselves.

The young man was never able to work this one out, and so he never became a disciple of Nasrudin. But when he told people about what Nasrudin could do, they thought he was mad.

“This is a good start,” said Nasrudin; “one day you will find a teacher.”

So with that as an introduction to the mad Mulla and my own less-than-normal self, I’ll leave you to consider what the seven meanings in that story might be … and in the meantime, let me wander back to the world of the climate. Here are some graphs showing various aspects of atmospheric water vapor and its relationship to temperature. Atmospheric water vapor is often described as “total precipitable water”, or “TPW”. It is measured as the amount of water in a one-metre-square column extending from the surface to the top of the atmosphere, in units of kilograms per square metre of surface. 

The water vapor information I’m using is a new dataset to me. It’s reanalysis results from ECMWF, the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts. So to start with I know little about it. I generally begin by looking at the global map of the average values.

Here’re the long-term global average values.

Figure 1. Total precipitable water, long-term average.

What’s of note here? Well, the poles have little water in the air. In part this is because cold air holds less water, and in part because the water is freezing out as snow, sleet, graupel, and the like.

The ocean has about 50% more water vapor than the land because there is a constant source of evaporation. The greatest concentration is in the line above the Equator known as the ITCZ, the inter-tropical convergence zone. This is where the two great hemispheric atmospheric air masses meet. It’s an area of nearly constant thunderstorms.

And on average, there’s much more precipitable water in the tropics than in the temperate or polar regions. 

Also, mountains like the Himalayas are drier than the surrounding regions, because the air up there is colder.

My next step with a variable that’s new to me is generally to take a look at how it changes over time. Figure 2 shows those results

Figure 2. Annual changes in total precipitable water, and the residual after the seasonal variations are removed.

First, there is a strong annual cycle. It varies every year from a low of about 23 kg/m2 to a high of nearly 27 kg/m2. Next, the TPW has changed over time. In this time period, it was dropping for the first twenty years, and has been rising for the last 20 years. Why? No clue.

Then when looking at a variable that’s new to me, I often look to see if there are any cyclical variations longer than one year. For that, I usually use a technique called CEEMD, which is short for Complete Ensemble Empirical Mode Decomposition. I describe the method in a post called “Noise Assisted Data Analysis“. It breaks the data into “empirical modes”, frequency bands that contain cycles with different periods. Here is a result of that analysis.

Figure 3. Periodograms of the various empirical modes of the cycles inherent in the TPW

The only large signal is at about 3 – 4 years. I suspect this is related to the QBO. The “quasi-biennial oscillation” is a roughly periodic change of the equatorial stratospheric wind between easterlies and westerlies. However, that’s just a guess. There are no sunspot-related or other longer inherent cycles.

Now, I got this TPW dataset so that I could better understand the relationship between temperature and water vapor. In general it’s said that a warmer world is a wetter world. However, it’s also true that water vapor is a greenhouse gas. So a wetter world would also be a warmer world.

So … which one is the cause here, and which one is the effect? This brings me to my next Nasrudin story:

“What is Fate?” Nasrudin was asked by a Scholar.

“An endless succession of intertwined events, each influencing the other.”

“That is hardly a satisfactory answer. I believe in cause and effect.”

“Very well,” said the Mulla, “look at that.” He pointed to a procession passing in the street.”

“That man is being taken to be hanged. Is that because someone gave him a silver piece and enabled him to buy the knife with which he committed the murder; or because someone saw him do it; or because nobody stopped him?”

Me, I’ve mostly given up trying to decide which is cause and which is effect in many matters climatical. In that regard, here’s a scatterplot of TPW and temperature, using CERES and ECMWF results.

Figure 4. Scatterplot, monthly precipitable water versus monthly temperature.

Clearly, there’s a strong relationship between the two. However, as mentioned above, this could either mean that a warmer world is wetter, or that a wetter world is warmer … or some combination of the two.

So, for a final look at this relationship, here is a scatterplot of the gridcell-by-gridcell variation shown in Figure 1, versus the corresponding graphic of surface temperature (not shown). I’ve split it up into land and sea to see what difference there is between the two.

Figure 5. Scatterplot, gridcell by gridcell average temperature versus gridcell average total precipitable water.

Now, this is showing something very interesting. First, almost nowhere on earth, and nowhere on the ocean, is the long-term average surface temperature above about 30°C.

Next, the closer the temperature gets to 30°C, the faster the total precipitable water vapor rises. Eventually, it seems that any additional energy goes into evaporation rather than into increasing the temperature.

Now, does this put a hard limit on the global temperature? Well, clearly not on the mean temperature … but it does seem to put a limit on the maximum temperature.

Can this maximum temperature limit change under modern conditions? Unknown. The oceanic temperature limit is a function of things like downwelling radiation, evaporation, and thunderstorms. The relation with thunderstorms is most clearly seen in the following movie. It shows cloud top altitude (as a proxy for deep tropical convective thunderstorms) versus sea surface temperature.

As you can see, the thunderstorms closely follow the warmest parts of the sea surface through all of their changes and variations.

In my post entitled “Air Conditioning Nairobi, Refrigerating The Planet“, I elucidated how thunderstorms function as giant refrigerators, cooling the surface in a host of ways. So clearly, they are a very large part of whatever combination of physical phenomena are involved in keeping a lid on the sea surface temperature. 

Thus, the maximum sea surface temperature could change from anything that changes evaporation, incident energy, or clouds. The number of things that could do that is limited—natural or anthropogenic surfactants on the ocean affecting evaporation, natural or anthropogenic aerosols that change cloud properties, changes in average wind speed, things like that.

So … at the end of the day, does a warmer world cause a wetter world, or does a wetter world cause a warmer world?

I can only echo what the incomparable Mulla Nasrudin said:

“Only children and fools seek both cause and effect in the same story.”

My very best to all, stay strong, stay healthy, stay crazy …

w.

PS—In this discussion of causes and effects, I would be remiss to close without mentioning the idea of “Granger Causality”. A variable X is said to “Granger-cause” variable Y if knowing the history of X improves our ability to predict variable Y. Curiously, there are four possibilities of Granger causation. The first three are similar to normal causation:

• Neither X nor Y Granger-causes the other. They are independent variables.

• X Granger-causes Y

• Y Granger-causes X

However, in Granger Causality, there is a fourth possibility:

• X and Y each Granger-causes the other.

And as you might expect in this most perplexing of worlds, when we analyze total precipitable water and temperature, we find that they are in the fourth case—each one Granger-causes the other one … go figure.

This in turn reminds me of Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem, which states that for any formal system of logic, there always are statements whose truth value simply cannot be determined. No matter what we do, in that logical system, we can’t determine whether some statements are true or not.

Of course, Mulla Nasrudin knew about Godel’s Theorem centuries ago, so if you’ll excuse me one final story …

A king, disenchanted with his subjects’ dishonesty, decided to force them to tell the truth. When the city gates were opened one morning, gallows had been erected in front of them. A royal guard announced, “Whoever will enter the city must first answer a question which will be put to them by the captain of the guard.”

Mulla Nasrudin stepped forward first. The captain spoke, “Where are you going? Tell the truth…the alternative is death by hanging.”

“I am going,” said Nasrudin, “to be hanged on those gallows.”

“I don’t believe you!” replied the guard.

Nasrudin calmly replied, “Very well then. If I have told a lie, hang me!”

“But that would make it the truth!” said the confused guard.

“Exactly,” said Nasrudin, “your truth.”

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January 21, 2021 4:40 pm

“The only large signal is at about 3 – 4 years”

ENSO probably. There should be an AMO signal too.

January 21, 2021 7:24 pm

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/11/climate-science-does-an-about-face-dials-back-the-worst-case-scenario/#comment-2914772

6. The sequence is Nino34 Area SST warms, seawater evaporates, Tropical atmospheric humidity increases, Tropical atmospheric temperature warms, Global atmospheric temperature warms, atmospheric CO2 increases (Figs.6a and 6b).

CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., June 15, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/

Other factors such as fossil fuel combustion, deforestation, etc. may also cause significant increases in atmospheric CO2. However, global temperature drives CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 22, 2021 12:19 am

CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng., June 2019

ABSTRACT

Global warming alarmism, which falsely assumes that increasing atmospheric CO2 causes catastrophic global warming, is disproved – essentially, it assumes that the future is causing the past. In reality, atmospheric CO2 changes lag global temperature changes at all measured time scales.

Nino34 Area Sea Surface Temperature changes, then tropical humidity changes, then atmospheric temperature changes, then CO2 changes.

The velocity dCO2/dt changes ~contemporaneously with global temperature changes and CO2 changes occur ~9 months later (MacRae 2008).

The process that causes the ~9-month average lag of CO2 changes after temperature changes is hypothesized and supported by observations.

The ~9-month lag, +/- several months, averages 1/4 of the full-period duration of the variable global temperature cycle, which averages ~3 years.

Based on the above observations, global temperatures drive atmospheric CO2 concentrations much more than CO2 drives temperature.

Climate sensitivity to increasing atmospheric CO2 must be very low, less than ~1C/(2*CO2) and probably much less.

There will be no catastrophic warming and no significant increase in chaotic weather due to increasing CO2 concentrations.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 clearly causes significantly improved crop yields, and may cause minor, beneficial global warming.

Atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high, it is too low for optimal plant growth and alarmingly low for the survival of carbon-based terrestrial life.

Other factors such as fossil fuel combustion, deforestation, etc may also increase atmospheric CO2. The increase of CO2 is clearly beneficial.

“Green energy” schemes are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, primarily because of the fatal flaw of intermittency.

There is no widely-available, cost-effective means of solving the flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation.

Electric grids have been destabilized, electricity costs have soared and Excess Winter Deaths have increased due to green energy schemes.

HYPOTHESIS AND CONCLUSIONS

Earlier conclusions by the author and others are reviewed that disprove global warming alarmism and the justification for CO2 abatement schemes.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 does NOT cause dangerous global warming. Humanmade global warming / climate change is a false crisis.

Atmospheric CO2 changes lag global temperature changes at all measured time scales.

The process that causes the ~9-month average lag of CO2 changes after temperature changes is hypothesized and supported by observations.

This ~9-month lag, +/- several months, averages 1/4 of the full-period duration of the variable global temperature cycle, which averages ~3 years.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 22, 2021 12:24 am

Nino34 region has zero trend over the past 4 decades.

The SST is thermostatically controlled. -2C minimum at the sea ice interface and a tad over 30C in the ITCZ unless the cloudburst cycle is disrupted by local geography.

CO2 is misdirection. It is the most important gas for life on Earth but has no consequence from a surface temperature perspective.

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Reply to  RickWill
January 22, 2021 7:54 am

Hi Rick – I do not (at this time) dispute your comments re “SST is thermostatically controlled”, as far as they go.

Regarding your alleged “lack of trend in SST”:

Others, notably Ferdinand Engelbeen, have stated for years that the mechanism I described (equatorial Pacific SST changes drive changes in atmospheric CO2) is not large enough to yield all the observed changes in CO2 – but that mechanism clearly does exist and demonstrates part of the physical reality of atmospheric CO2 increase.

Oceans cover ~71% of Earth’s surface and it is probable that most of the observed increase in atmospheric CO2 is caused by short-and-long-term oceanic temperature changes and oceanic currents. I do not dispute Ed Berry’s conclusions on this point, also stated by Hermann Harde and Murry Salby.

Furthermore, my observed mechanism adequately disproves via precedence the “increasing CO2 drives dangerous global warming” CAGW falsehood, because “the future cannot cause the past”.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 22, 2021 1:35 pm

ALLAN
I wonder why you bring up CO2 in a discussion on TPW and surface temperature. Sure plants appreciate the increase in CO2 but it is irrelevant to a discussion on the drivers of surface temperature.

No one knows where the equilibrium point is for CO2 outgassing and ocean surface temperature. The ocean will never be in thermal equilibrium.

Reply to  RickWill
January 22, 2021 7:36 pm

Rick you wrote:
“I wonder why you bring up CO2 in a discussion on TPW and surface temperature.

My answer:
I did so to put this article that discusses Total Precipitable Water (TPW) and the 3-4 year cycle period into context.

From my above post:

6. The sequence is Nino34 Area SST warms, seawater evaporates, Tropical atmospheric humidity (aka “Tropical TPW” – see Fig 6a) increases, Tropical atmospheric temperature warms, Global atmospheric temperature warms, atmospheric CO2 increases (Figs.6a and 6b).

Also from the same paper:

7b. Statistical analyses support the existence of an average ~3.1 year period in the data for NIno34 SST, UAH LT temperature and atmospheric CO2, averaging ~3.6 years before year 2003.5 and ~2.5 years after 2003.5, as depicted in Figs. 7e to 7j (Excel spreadsheet) and Table 7b.

HYPOTHESIS AND CONCLUSIONS

Earlier conclusions by the author and others are reviewed that disprove global warming alarmism and the justification for CO2 abatement schemes.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 does NOT cause dangerous global warming. Humanmade global warming / climate change is a false crisis.

Atmospheric CO2 changes lag global temperature changes at all measured time scales.

The process that causes the ~9-month average lag of CO2 changes after temperature changes is hypothesized and supported by observations.

This ~9-month lag, +/- several months, averages 1/4 of the full-period duration of the variable global temperature cycle, which averages ~3 years.

Reference:
CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., June 15, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/



 

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 23, 2021 1:20 pm

ALLAN
There was a previous story from Willis a couple of weeks back looking for the cause of variation in atmospheric CO2. I postulated it simply followed the TPW.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/06/sins-of-omission-sins-of-emission/

Both Willis and I confirmed it did not. The TPW peaks with SST in July but the CO2 peaks before that. CO2 does not follow TPW on an annual cycle.

Also CO2 peak is dominated by the northern hemisphere where there is less sea surface. Possible two factors – domestic, commercial, industrial heating and then biological uptake through July, August and September. Corn is a significant sink.

Reply to  RickWill
January 24, 2021 2:12 am

Wrong Rick.

The sequence is proved in my above paper – Fig 6a and 6b.

gbaikie
January 21, 2021 8:07 pm

“So … at the end of the day, does a warmer world cause a wetter world, or does a wetter world cause a warmer world?”
With those two choices, and wetter world causes a warmer world.
A wetter world is definitely a warmer world.
We are in a dry world.
An Ice Age is a dry world.
If world was wetter, it’s further away from coldest times of the Ice Age.
And what mostly getting wetter is the 60% of the world which outside of tropics.
An interesting question could be, how much wetter could the tropics get but the majority
of world is outside the tropics.
Globally, 70% of surface area, is ocean. Any kind of surface which is 70% of the globe, would control global air temperature. And Earth’s global temperature is controlled by the ocean surface temperature. If global ocean surface warms, it’s a wetter world.
Global climate records of air temperature indicate that land is warming faster than global ocean surface temperature.
If land warms faster than then ocean surface, this might indicate this land warming will create drier conditions. But I would say that would be misunderstanding of global climate.
I would say a warmer ocean warms the land. And warmer land is only due to the warmer ocean. For a simple reason that 70% of global air is over ocean.
But I would say if you want hot air temperature, you will find it on land and in drier conditions, and dry and hot air on land is losing more energy to space.
Or globally, ocean is warming global air, and land is cooling global air.
Or ocean retain/maintains heat, and land loses heat. Though land which is wet retain/maintains heat better than compared to drier land.

So, in terms causing, warmer land will not cause global air to be warm.
It’s simply doesn’t. It’s not creating global air, simply because it’s small portion of
globe.
Europe is warmed by the ocean, and no land mass is warming any significant portion of ocean. And would say one could not have ocean-land arrangement, which could do this.

In terms of predicting, if ocean surface warms, the land will warm, if oceans surface cools, land cools. And ocean surface warms, world gets wetter.

And if you want the northern hemisphere to warmer, having ice free polar sea ice, will warm the surrounding land and make the warmed land, wetter.

And reason we have arctic polar sea ice, is because the average temperature of entire ocean is quite cold, 3.5 C. Or ocean were warmer we would have an ice free polar ice in summer. And if ocean was a lot warmer, like 5 C, it would ice free in winter. And ice free in winter would be strong global warming effect. But we probably get a lot snow in the winter.

And I believe we had ice free arctic sea ice in our past interglacial periods when they were the warmest. But I don’t think it occur during our present Holocene period {didn’t happen
during the Holocene Climate Optimum]. Though did have ice free polar sea ice in the summers.

Geoff Sherrington
January 22, 2021 1:52 am

Hi Willis,
My favourite for quandary space is –
“There will always be doubt. There is no doubt about that.”
Pleased that you have presented these data. My first impression after your earlier post was, “What drives what?”. Glad we seem alike.
Philosophically, I prefer that the mechanisma are concerned with maintaining a steady global temperature: therefore, I see T as the dependent variable and measures of water as the correctional driver. In the absence of water mechanisms, T could vary over a much larger range. In the absence of temperature variations, the amonnt of water that could vary is limited by phase changes, and other limits. So I see T as the natural variable that has to be kept under control for a happy world.

Alasdair Fairbairn
January 22, 2021 4:01 am

The simple answer to all of this lies in the Antoine equation giving the vapour pressure of water against temperature. Here it will be seen that the vapour pressure rises very rapidly starting at around 25C. At around 30C the pressure becomes very large. ( Sorry don’t seem to be able to produce the graph image).

The rate of evaporation is a function of the difference between this vapour pressure and the Partial Pressure in the immediate atmosphere (humidity). Hence at around this 30C temperature the rate of evaporation absorbs more or less all the incoming radiation and converts the energy to Latent Heat, which importantly takes place at CONSTANT TEMPERATURE (around this 30C.). Further; due to the buoyancy of the vapor/gas phase this Latent Heat is driven up through the atmosphere and beyond to space for dissipation.

This is why the oceans never get above around 32C. in spite of millions of years of relentless solar radiation.
This same process operates throughout the atmosphere at a fractal level. Hence the simple answer.
Can we now put this runaway temperature concern to bed now and leave it to water to keep us cool.?

Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
January 22, 2021 8:39 am

I felt the partial pressure played a significant role but it is not the cause of the steep rise.

As Willis demonstrates, the TPW rises almost asymptotically to 30C. The partial pressure is nothing like asymptotic to 30C. See attached.

The TPW rises steeply above 24C because the atmosphere moves into cloudburst mode once the TPW reaches 30mm and cyclic cloudburst occurs above 40mm. The cloudburst cycle results in a moist zone below the level of free convection and moist to drying zone above the LFC.

Cloudburst is an emergent property that drives the steep increase in TPW with surface temperature. The atmosphere changes to high gear; cyclically producing convective potential then extinguishing it with cloudburst. The updraft velocity is function of the convective potential, which is a function of the sea surface temperature. The higher the temperature the more moisture above the cloud base and the more persistent cloud. The altitude of the LFC and cloud base coincide at 34C. Never reached over open ocean surface because sunlight would never reach the surface so it would cool.

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gbaikie
Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
January 22, 2021 10:11 am

Water is what causes higher average global temperature.

But if concerned about tropics, where most of sunlight is, one could say water would prevent
higher temperatures. But tropics didn’t have water, the tropics average temperature would be cooler, though “weather effects” might cause higher extremes in terms having both hotter days and much colder days.
Or one could something like El Nino effect but on the lands surfaces. Or Santa Anna winds on steroids
The Santa Ana winds are strong, extremely dry downslope winds that originate inland and affect coastal Southern California and northern Baja California.—
Santa Ana winds are known for the hot, dry weather that they bring in autumn (often the hottest of the year), but they can also arise at other times of the year.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_winds

Editor
January 22, 2021 4:16 am

Good post Willis. Every year we get more evidence of what I call the Newell and Dopplick limit to ocean temperatures. They showed the 30 degree limit on ocean temperatures in 1979. Check out Figure 1, the paper is not paywalled. Notice how similar it is to your graph.

As well known as this is, and as long as we’ve known it, you would think the whole climate change hoax would blow up. If the uppermost limit is 30 degrees, why are we concerned??

1.      Newell, R.E. and Dopplick, T.G., 1978, Questions Concerning the Possible Influence of Anthropogenic CO2 on Atmospheric Temperature, J. Applied Meterology, Vol. 18, p. 822. Link:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450(1979)018%3C0822%3AQCTPIO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

Reply to  Andy May
January 22, 2021 8:18 am

The paper authors are guilty of discussing the inconsequential CO2. CO2 has ZERO influence on average surface temperature. They do appropriately question the “greenhouse effect” and it is written in quotations.

The maximum open ocean temperature limit around 30C would be best described as the result of the Shutter Effect. It is not complicated. It hinges on cyclic cloudburst creating ever persistent high level cloud as the sea surface temperature rises. The simplicity is that the cloud blocks sunlight from reaching the surface. Up to 80% of the incident sunlight at ToA can be reflected but the short wave reflection is typically around 100W/sq.m in the warm pools.

Updraft induced convergence from cooler zones increase the evaporation rate in the warm pools but the determining factor, in taking the net energy to zero around 30C, is the result of the high level reflective cloud.

The radiating power of the atmosphere in the ITCZ corresponds to a precipitation rate of 8mm/day. The warm pools experience higher rates of precipitation than that meaning their local evaporation is being fuelled by convergence of adjacent dry air from the cooler zones, which have precipitation less than 8mm/day but similar or higher radiating power. The linked paper provides good detail on the convection, OLR and divergence/convergence in two important warm pools.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5564/a2bd4556d0b3820d3b48a38f69238f0e7106.pdf?_ga=2.103881152.1333890229.1609570080-160488568.1609570080

It misses the most important aspect of the reduction in surface level sunlight. It also rightly concludes that the convection drops off when the temperature goes above 30C but is not all that clear on the fact that there is very little ocean surface warmer than 30C and the reduction in convection is due to local geography. It makes muddled conclusions about SST and divergence/convergence both playing a role in the deep convection. The cloudburst cycle is purely a function of the SST. The convergence follows the convective instability to the warmest pool.

Tom
January 22, 2021 5:05 am

Willis This has been (as usual) a very interesting article and comments. I would submit, though, that Nasrudin doesn’t understand government power and corruption. In the real world, at least that of today, the guard wouldn’t be allowed to think, and the answer is irrelevant. Nasrudin will live or die based solely on whether the king and his court want him to live or to die. His answer is simply an unnecessary formality.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tom
January 22, 2021 5:54 am

Yes but it’s a good story and that’s entirely the point.

Tom
Reply to  Richard Page
January 22, 2021 6:57 am

It’s not the entire point, it’s only one of the seven points.

Robert W Turner
January 22, 2021 7:35 am

Willis, you should consider something else when looking at the TPW and global temperature relationship – wind energy. Most evaporation on Earth (given the Earth’s inherent temperature range) is on account of wind energy. Whether the water vapor stays and rises in the atmosphere is on account of temperature and convection. The temperature difference between equator and poles decreases as global average temperature increases, and therefore global wind energy decreases and then TPW decreases and provides a negative feedback on global temperature increase.

Well, that’s if you believe “crazy” things like friction and kinetic theory of gases instead of backradiation hypothesis and cooler objects increasing the temperature of warmer objects. And indeed estimated global wind power was decreasing for decades until the 2000s and now have been increasing again. Is it preceding a inflection on global temperatures from rising to falling? I would bet money on it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0622-6

David Yaussy
January 22, 2021 9:38 am

“Me, I’ve mostly given up trying to decide which is cause and which is effect in many matters climatical”

Willis, I had come to this conclusion after years of being on this site, and being impressed and amazed by the complexity of the climate, and realizing that it is subject to innumerable forces beyond my ability to understand and synthesize. But I was kind of hoping that you would keep trying. Love your posts here and at Skating Under the Ice.

Fran
January 22, 2021 11:37 am

Love the approach to data; just what I was taught.

I grew up in Central India. You can see the annual cycle there in Willis’ last figure. It became drier and grain was harvested Feb-Mar, then hotter and the humidity increased until mid-late June when the monsoon arrived.

The water table in the wells rose by up to 35′ during the monsoon, indicating very fast recharge of the underground reservoir. I have always wondered about recharge in other areas when I read about ground water depletion, but in the Narmuda valley it occurred on an annual cycle. Would like to see some data from around the world if anyone knows.

January 23, 2021 12:55 am

Your graph goes the opposite way to NVAP-M, how do you account for that?

https://images.app.goo.gl/LUX7S5qWX6csyUoc7
MattE
January 26, 2021 12:35 pm

Willis,
Generally a big fan but I have a problem with the analysis of Figure 5. Fig 5 is a plot of yearly averages vs yearly averages, but the curve is explained by a phenomenon that occurs over hours. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but it’s a bit disjointed. I realize you may be constrained by data on a global level. Your previous hourly bouy data posts (oceanic thunderstorm thermostat) does a better job of explaining the evaporation/humidity/temperature relationships. Not a harsh critique and I think you recognize this, but using longer term averages makes it all less compelling IMO.

MattE
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
January 27, 2021 7:33 am

Now, this is showing something very interesting. First, almost nowhere on earth, and nowhere on the ocean, is the long-term average surface temperature above about 30°C.”
First, let me apologize for my ignorance. You shouldn’t assume I understand weather well. It’s bolstering your argument (and general consesnsus) that this relationship is so tight over ocean. Always a pool of water where increased temp increases evaporation Warmer=wetter, but it’s capped (heat of evaporation, cloud shade etc) stuff you know better than me. Land is different. Complicated since so much land is ocean-adjacent. You arguably have 2 land grid-cell populations, one similar to ocean, and one prominent curve lower.

What I find interesting is that all the >30 temps are over land and lower humidity. Would seem to agree. Do you need to ‘run out of humidity’ to get to extreme heat? Maybe isn’t news to others but it’s not warmer=wetter. The common idea of humidity and temp going hand in hand breaks down at this point. It could be that a wetter world prevents extremes?

I have no ability to check this on widespread basis. But randomly thought I’d poke around. I looked at extreme events on wikipedia which led to this Tmax record for Botswanna. Nicely lists the whole month. On a daily basis it is clear that high heat corresponds to low dewpoint (low humidity).

But averaging the whole month probably less informative. Yearly less than that.

https://geographic.org/global_weather/weather_data_2.php?month=01&year=2016&id=680320-99999&path=weather_stations/649610_700300_27508/680320-99999.txt&name=Maun&country=Botswana

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