Fauci on Moving the Goalposts

Hmmm… I can think of different ways to describe this behavior.

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December 28, 2020 2:26 am

There have been reports that the level for herd immunity is actually very much lower.

Greg
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 28, 2020 3:12 am

Of course, he is just making it up, like he lies about flying to the north pole to vaccinate Santa. He even admits his earlier comments were calculating macheavellian lies. Why does anyone even listen to what he says?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Greg
December 28, 2020 3:40 am

cos your new low IQ sockpuppet might b pres reckons hes a top bloke

Bryan A
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 28, 2020 9:05 pm

New Low IQ Sock Puppet? Now is that any way to talk about President Elect Biden? Sock Puppets the world over are drafting “Sock Puppet Lies Matter” signs and organizing to protest your remarks

tetris
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 28, 2020 9:08 pm

Several studies from around the globe indicate that antibody levels in the population are a) far higher than anticipated/officially acknowledged and b) have no relationship to official case numbers. Recent data shows that 40% of the greater Stockholm area population has antibodies (not counting T cell immunity) and 50% for Tokyo where official case numbers are very low.

There are also some 90 seroprevalence studies from around the globe, including a Stanford peer reviewed meta study, that show that the infection/fatality ratio for SARS-CoV-2 is 0.2-0.3% (2-3 per 1,000 die) – the lower end of the influenza range.
In practical terms, take the number of dead in any given jurisdiction, divide by 2 or 3 and multiply by 1,000. That’ll give you a pretty good idea of the actual number of infections, which by extension confirms that that 90% or so are asympyomatics/low symptomatics, epidemiological ghosts.

Sunny
December 28, 2020 2:30 am

Fauci has lied from day one, Yet he is America’s Doctor 😐 Same as pedophile bill gates, The worlds leading expert on vaccines… Countries are still doing big business with china, even though china and the WHO clearly lied, countries are lossing..

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Sunny
December 28, 2020 4:35 am

pedophile bill gates

That needs to be backed up with evidence or removed. Accusing people of abhorrent behaviour without evidence is in itself abhorrent.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 28, 2020 4:48 am

I agree with your statement, but with Bill Gates you want to believe. The man has left a trail of unethical, if not illegal, activities wherever he goes.

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 28, 2020 6:09 am

My thoughts exactly.

Big Al
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 28, 2020 8:26 am

Bill Gates buddies with Jeff Epstein . Epstein Island Temple for Satan. Epstein did not kill him self . IMO, In witnesses protection JAIL program. TRUMP, four more years. Traitors via Military Tribunals to jail or firing squad .

stinkerp
Reply to  Big Al
December 28, 2020 10:45 am

Yeah, I see where your logic is going here. In your mind you’re a pedophile if you’re an associate of Jeff Epstein or have gone to his home. I’ve been friends with people who I later found out preyed on children, so does that make me a pedophile? And I stayed friends. Doesn’t mean I endorse the behavior or protected the predator.

Last edited 4 months ago by stinkerp
Bill Powers
Reply to  Sunny
December 28, 2020 9:08 am

Stick to the topic at hand. You can go grind your pedophilia axe somewhere else. If necessary start up you own [insert name here] Pedophile Blog but first be sure to hire a cracker jack legal team.

huls
Reply to  Bill Powers
December 29, 2020 3:25 am

Soooo…what’s got this Covid thing to do with Climate? Why not start your own [insert name here] Covid Blog?

Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  huls
December 30, 2020 12:35 pm

Because the site is about all aspects of science, including medical/pharmaceutical, engineering & technology, astronomy, physics, and frankly anything Anthony and the mods want to discuss. Politics is deeply entwined with most of these subjects. If an article doesn’t interest you, move on to the next.

huls
Reply to  Chuck no longer in Houston
December 31, 2020 11:41 am

Hi Chuck. I think you didn’t look at the homepage of this site. It literally says:” The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change”.
Quite clearly what the subject here is. It is not about all aspects of science, including medical/pharmaceutical, engineering & technology, astronomy, physics.
So Chuck if you want to read about that you can move on to the next.
My premise stands.

Chuck no longer in Houston
Reply to  huls
December 31, 2020 12:11 pm

If you have followed this site for any length of time, you would know that this is simply wrong. So while it may be the “world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change” it is so much more than that. I would refer you to subsequent posts “A New Years Look at WUWT” or “Shaping a Spiral Galaxy”, or the many articles about black holes/dark matter, gravitational waves, polar bears or reefs. There have been many, many non-climate posts over the years. I’m not sure what your beef here is – as I wrote previously, if you don’t want to read a particular post, there are many others. Or start your own blog and post what you want. I think you’re just being pedantic.

TonyG
Reply to  huls
December 31, 2020 1:53 pm

You must be new here. Take a look at what it said when it started:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110615081900/http://wattsupwiththat.com/

“Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts”

Just because the header has been changed to reflect the fact that it is the most viewed site on one of those topics doesn’t mean it can’t still post on other topics, as per the original intent.

Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 2:33 am

The reason why WHO scrapped herd immunity from definition of possible ways of immunity is obvious.
If populations could get herd immunity, what would Fauci, Drosten, Biontec, Bill Gates and the rest live of.
On top of that, humans and animals would not exist today if herd immunity did not work.
Thirdly, Mr. Schwab and his Great Reset to feudal society or communism need the virus scare, climate scare, Greta Thunberg scare, peak resource scare, etc. for the great transformation and population reduction to take place.

We have to fight for freedom (Trump movement) in order to deserve it.
Otherwise very bad times may come.

To understand fear mongering in an entertaining way, may I suggest “State Of Fear” by Michael Crichton.

20,000 soldiers deployed in Germany to inject the population with the non-longterm tested “vaccine”, which by the way is not recommended for particular women wanting to have children. Lately there is suspicion that also men may be sterile.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 3:54 am

To strengthen my above statement and my previous statements about the Drosten Isolation Fund (the case that SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated) I ask for someone to upload the following video from UK to a more generally accessible platform for everyone to see.
In the video, under the Freedom Of Information Act, the documentation for the isolation has been acquired, and the answer confirmed that no such documentation exists.
The answer has triggered new questions under FOIA to be answered ASAP.
The video is posted on Telegram. I have not seen it anywhere else.

https://t.me/samueleckert/1779

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 3:56 am

P.S.: I do not have enough bandwidth left to post the video, otherwise I would have done it.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 6:06 am

Thank you Carl. A suggested edit:

“We have to fight for freedom (Trump movement) in order to deserve it.
Otherwise very bad times may WILL come.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-anniversary-of-the-un-1989-10-years-to-save-the-world-climate-warning/#comment-2734882
{excerpt]

Almost 90% of the countries in the world fit your description. “ One man – One vote – Once. The thugs are in power forever; the documented fate of every socialist country.”

Only about 10% of the countries in the world have any real form of Democracy and Rule of Law, and we are under attack by the same extremists who ruined the ~90% that have fallen into Marxist dictatorship, poverty and misery.

Meanwhile, dim bulb leftists in the USA and Canada tell us it will be different this time. It won’t.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/20/what-the-green-new-deal-is-really-about-and-its-not-the-climate/#comment-2749834
[excerpt from a note to Loydo]

However, history tells us that these totalitarian adventures end badly – with hundreds of millions of dead, destroyed economies and broken societies.

Extreme leftists Stalin, Hitler and Mao killed about 200 million people in the 20th Century, and lesser leftist dictators like Pol Pot and other Tin Pots killed many millions more. Were these psychopaths all pawns of the very rich, or were they marching to their own inner vision of a society of serfs, with themselves as the supreme leader?

When too much power is concentrated in the hands of too few, a psychopath typically seizes power and kills or imprisons everyone who opposes his madness. Stalin, Hitler, Mao and the other great killers of the 20th Century all fit this description.

Leftists like you think “it will be different this time” – it won’t.

Doug Huffman
December 28, 2020 3:00 am

Panic porn fear mongering by Faux FauXi witch-doctor. Narrative is his tool. Eschew ad-hockery, and all FauXi has is horse-hockey.

Greg
December 28, 2020 3:09 am

Dr Faux-Xi lies every time he opens his mouth. He has zero integrity. He told a complete fairy tale to children on national TV about having personally vaccinated Santa. He has a similar contemptuous attitude to the rest of the population.

Why does anyone even interview him any more? Trump should have dismissed him last summer.

starzmom
Reply to  Greg
December 28, 2020 4:51 am

I don’t like Dr. Fauci, and I do think invoking Santa to persuade children to be vaccinated is wrong, BUT I do not find fault with him for telling children he personally saw Santa. Most of us with children told them that little fib sometime in our parenting lives. It is just that Santa does not need to be a political figure. Just leave him be.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  starzmom
December 29, 2020 2:57 pm

I disagree. If parents lie to kids about Santa for about years, they really have no principles. The 9th Commandment states: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor(Thou shalt not lie). I stop here as I could say a lot more.

Klem
Reply to  Greg
December 28, 2020 7:53 am

The sad part is that nearly every western country has it’s own ‘Fauci’, each state and province has their own ‘Fauci’ as well, and they are there to provide political cover for their respective governments.

Neo
Reply to  Greg
December 28, 2020 11:31 am

The CEO of Pfizer responded to a child’s request for COVID vaccine for Santa and the elf’s by saying that they “would be taken care of”.

Matthew Sykes
December 28, 2020 3:24 am

He gave a reasonable answer. Science is never right, it is only ever what we think given the data we have.

Derg
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
December 28, 2020 3:32 am

Is that like the masks won’t help and masks help from Fauci…more bestest data I imagine 😉

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
December 28, 2020 3:42 am

or the data created from rubbery stats /crap models?
but co2 “science is 100% A1 double+good perfect doncha know?

starzmom
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
December 28, 2020 4:55 am

The problem with Fauci is he gives different answers at different times. If he doesn’t know or is “guesstimating” he should say so the first time and not change his messaging. And the mask issue–when you vacillate between “masks don’t work” and “masks are absolutely necessary” with no scientific reason, there is a big problem with your integrity, and you should be ignored.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  starzmom
December 28, 2020 6:01 am

The problem with Fauci is that he is always telling what is politically expedient at the time. His record on HIV transmission should have gotten him fired years ago. The record on flu vaccine effectiveness is a disgrace. But since he generally tells the MSM and the Dems what they want to hear, what is useful for them, he gets away with dishonest responses and incompetence.

For those who haven’t been following: in the mid-80s the HIV infection rate for white gay men was 30%-it is still 30% today; in the mid-80s the HIV infection rate for African-American gay men was 17%, it rose to 70% and is still that today. Fauci & the CDC are total failures are disease control.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 28, 2020 10:58 am

My question has always been; “what is/was the HIV infection rate for straight, males and females?” Why were straight and gay males lumped under the same statistics?

Steve Keppel-Jones
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 29, 2020 6:18 am

Rory, I suspect that was because if they had pointed out that “testing positive for HIV” (not the same as having AIDS) was limited to gay men and blacks, the rest of the world wouldn’t have cared, and the whole HIV/AIDS gravy train would have been stopped in its tracks.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Steve Keppel-Jones
December 29, 2020 9:34 am

You certainly got that right. The UN really cashed in on the notion that AIDS was a pandemic, regardless of the fact that the infection rate for straight males was barely measurable … and for females even less.
‘The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace … to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” ~H. L. Mencken~

JEHILL
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
December 28, 2020 7:38 am

So gravity is not an inverse vector field?

I stopped trusting anything Fauci said on 03 April 2020 at ~1015hrs.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
December 28, 2020 11:53 am

It misses the point. Fauci knew what the data was really saying, yet he gave categorical and manipulative answers in an attempt to sound authoritative. And the MSM plays ball with him before the election. Now that the election is over, and ONLY after the election is over, does the MSM actually start asking him some (relatively) hard questions, which he falters on.

This is not a man changing opinions in the light of changing data. He just ignores the data that does not suit his particular narrative. And I believe Fauci has a great financial interest in vaccines, especially the Moderna vaccine, the patent to which my own doctor claims (based upon reports in mainstream medical journals he read) Fauci has some kind of ownership interest in.,

Philip
December 28, 2020 3:31 am

Better science through polling. Who’d a thunk it! 😏

cedarhill
December 28, 2020 3:35 am

Anyone know where Fauci holds a medical license? It’s time to file medical malpractice complaints against this guy.

Wade
Reply to  cedarhill
December 28, 2020 4:00 am

The inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, had a very low opinion of Fauci. His opinion of Fauci is several minutes in the video below that was done years ago. Kary Mullis is now dead, but if he were still alive I am sure he would be appalled at how his test is being use to control people. And he probably would be blacklisted for daring to go against the narrative.
https://youtu.be/IifgAvXU3ts

Peta of Newark
December 28, 2020 4:08 am

Entirely obvious that Fauci is a mendacious little rat.
Plus, extremely peeved that Donald de-funded the WHO, which was going to be a very nice little earner for him when he gets ‘de-selected’
Childish or what?

And even more obvious, is completely ‘In-The-Pocket’ of Big Parma (Read= Big Vaccine)
Selfish little scumbag

Maybe a few peeps should contrast Donald’s run-in with Covid and that of Boris.

Don trusted his own instinct.
Visited his place in Florida regularly to top-up the Vitamin D and went with Quinine and Zinc
Was patently fond of pizza so got good amounts of saturated fat and Vitamin B
Result – Barely missed a beat

Boris, trusted his doctors, scientists, computer whizz-kids and medics
Also, got into an ‘arguement’ with his mistress at 4-in-the-morning – an arguement so loud that the neighbours felt compelled to record it and send the recording to The Grauniad.
(Boris patently drank alcohol: Unavoidable result= low levels of Zinc in his cells)

Result – Boris was off work for weeks and damn near died
Despite being 20 years the junior of Donald

Rub their noses in it.

Sara
December 28, 2020 4:09 am

Why? OH, it’s simple enough: if he hadn’t kept quibbling over what was what and what was not what, he’d NEVER have gotten all that media attention, would he? Nah!

I’d go see a veterinarian about a case of the flu (for me) than I would him.

DipChip
December 28, 2020 4:21 am

It will be interesting to see how much noise will be made on the likely 4,000 plus deaths recorded and claimed on Tuesday 12/29/20 because of the under reporting of the previous 4 days.

starzmom
Reply to  DipChip
December 28, 2020 4:58 am

That will be the Christmas surge.

Derg
Reply to  DipChip
December 28, 2020 5:14 am

I could barely get into Target the other day I had to zig zag through all the bodies.

JP Kalishek
December 28, 2020 4:34 am

“Yeah, I keep lying, but really just shut up and listen to me this time because I am the hero!”

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  JP Kalishek
December 28, 2020 5:10 am

I don’t think we will know for a long while.
Remember Ms. Tifany Dover. She is about the only registered person in the US where the death database comes up and say something like “currently the database is overloaded, try again later”. Every other person you choose, you get their current status and eventual criminal records.
I have forgotten the name of the database, but surely you all know what I am talking about.

SAMURAI
December 28, 2020 5:27 am

Fauci is just your typical Leftist bureaucrat who bases policies on Leftist political agendas rather than on science.

The CDC has proven itself to be completely untrustworthy and incompetent which is a terrible and dangerous combination.

The idiotic CDC has known since March the approximate (and rapidly growing) number of Americans who have already asymptomatically contracted COVID19 and are now immune, but refuse to release the data, even though this is THE most important data point to determine how close we are to reaching herd immunity and to calculate accurate death-rates.

The CDC only wish to disclose how many people have been tested, how many tested positive, and how many have supposedly died with (not from) COVID19, which provides little useful information.

To add insult to injury, the CDC then announces (then walks back) a vaccine rollout plan based on…..skin color, (whites last, of course), rather than logically basing it on age and first responders—AVERAGE age of all COVID19 deaths is 80, yes, 80…

I’m disgusted with the CDC.

Jim
Reply to  SAMURAI
December 28, 2020 5:54 am

The CDC has been publishing this data for a while now:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

It’s a few days old likely due to the holidays:
91 million infected
77 million with symptoms

starzmom
Reply to  Jim
December 28, 2020 6:15 am

In my jurisdiction, only 44.8% of the people who test positive have known symptoms. (Some are unknown, but I assume they must be very mild or they would be known.)

huls
Reply to  starzmom
December 29, 2020 3:30 am

Gee I really wonder what “false positive” means. I gotta look that up sowmwhere.

Excuse me while I forcefully bang my head on my desk for a while.

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Jim
December 28, 2020 6:28 am

Updated December 23. Seems straightforward acknowledgement of limited data and necessary inferences to reach an estimate:

“CDC provides estimates of COVID-19 infections, symptomatic illnesses, and hospitalizations using a statistical model….”

PaulH
Reply to  Juan Slayton
December 28, 2020 9:08 am

Wouldn’t it be nice if they open-sourced that statistical model. 😉

Juan Slayton
Reply to  PaulH
December 28, 2020 9:56 am

It would indeed.

SAMURAI
Reply to  Jim
December 28, 2020 6:39 am

Jim-san:

These bogus and contrived CDC “estimated total infections” in the link provided do not reflect the number of people testing positive for COVID19 antibodies, which is THE most important number.

These CDC numbers are just contrived assumptions of: false negatives, people with symptomatic COVID19 infections who were never tested, and asymptomatic infections who never knew they were infected so they never went to be tested, etc.

40%+ of Americans have likely already been infected and have COVID19 antibodies, but the CDC refuses to release these true numbers because they would prove the lockdowns and mask wearing polices have been completely ineffective and we destroyed our economy for no reason whatsoever.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Jim
December 28, 2020 12:14 pm

Big whoop. With CDC’s current “deaths involving COVID-19” (from their 12/23/20 provisional count, and believe me, the word “provisional” is an understatement), i.e., death certificates that use the ICD-10 code U07.1 as one of the “causes” of death, amounting to 291,757 (and that count is behind the Worldometers.info statistics, too), that would amount to an infection fatality rate of .37%. Which is not far off what Dr. John Ioannidis found likely to be the case in his survey of various studies conducted both here as well as Europe and Asia. It would also make it apparent that this disease has no more killing power than an average flu in an average flu season. But even the CDC’s “estimates” offer no clear elaboration about whatever hard data are out there – no idea about average hospital stays, very little idea of what “symptoms” were involved and how serious they really were among 77 million Americans. They are still in the “guesstimate” realm. Yet people still treat COVID-19 as if it was like the Spanish flu or the black plague. Sheer insanity and fear-mongering by the political classes.

Steve Keppel-Jones
Reply to  Larry in Texas
December 29, 2020 6:25 am

That Spanish flu might not have been as bad as the scaremongers want us to believe, either, Larry. I checked the mortality statistics for the US in 1918 and compared it to previous years. The age-adjusted mortality in 1918 was certainly higher than 1917 and 1919, but exactly the same as 1900, 1904, and 1907. So while 1918 was a bad flu year in the US, it wasn’t any worse than the bad flu years of the previous decade. I picked the US because it is likely to have had pretty good mortality statistics, and hadn’t been destroyed by 4 years of war, which might have affected health and mortality in Western Europe, resulting in higher-than-usual flu deaths.

December 28, 2020 5:44 am

I published the following note circa 1July2020, and it is still correct. For some time prior, I had dubbed him “Dr. Falsi”.

The Covid-19 lockdown was first proposed to ease the “Tsunami of Cases” that were supposed to overwhelm our medical systems – a flood that NEVER HAPPENED! Then the goalposts were shifted and the lockdown was extended, for no good reason – the start of the lockdown scam.

Just checked Sweden again on euromomo – Sweden is doing quite well after NOT doing the Covid-19 lockdown – proof that the lockdown was NEVER necessary, and hugely destructive.

Now we see the end game – the false linkage of the Global Warming / Climate Change scam with the Covid-19 full-Gulag lockdown scam, and the leftist extremists “Final Solution”, The “Great Reset”- aka “Live like A Chinese Peasant-Slave”.
 
https://www.newser.com/story/comments/292991/tuesday-brought-a-grim-coronavirus-number.html

Dr Falsi does not mention that more Covid-19 cases are simply a function of more testing. Not scary!

Covid-19 is not that dangerous to healthy people – it IS dangerous to the elderly and infirm.

High Covid-19 deaths in locations like New York are due to criminal negligence by the authorities. I published on 21March2020 that there was no justification for the full-Gulag lock-down, but an obvious need to over-protect the elderly and infirm. Countries that did so did very well.
http://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

In contrast, New York State Governor Cuomo (and some others) did the exact opposite and killed multitudes of New York’s high-risk population. Cuomo mandated that nursing homes must accept coronavirus patients even though older people are the most at-risk to die from COVID-19! These patients infected other nursing home residents, resulting in many more deaths. Cuomo issued the order to nursing homes and other assisted living centers on March 25, 2020 according to AP. He did not reverse that policy until May 11.

What really happened in many cities was a disaster – hospitals were emptied of patients, elective surgeries were cancelled, and then the hospitals were near-empty for ~8 weeks awaiting the anticipated “tsunami of Covid-19 cases“ that never arrived. Now there is a huge backlog of medical cases that will take many months to clear, and some patients will die awaiting treatment… and the economy is trashed, and low-income people are too, and small businesses are destroyed, and their employees are as well, and… 

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 29, 2020 3:04 pm

The only treatment approved by Health Canada is “Remdesivir” in spite of over 200 reports showing the efficacy of HCQ, Zinc, Ivermectin. Canada is still letting people die in care homes.
Here are the two web sites which now have over 100 studies which show the efficacy of HCQ:


https://c19study.com/

https://hcqmeta.com/

Reply to  Gerald Machnee
December 29, 2020 11:19 pm

Thank you Gerald and Best Wishes for the Holidays!

Your above comment is well-founded. You wrote: “The only treatment approved by Health Canada is “Remdesivir” in spite of over 200 reports showing the efficacy of HCQ, Zinc, Ivermectin. Canada is still letting people die in care homes.”

Today I returned the rental Oxygen gear for a good friend who is recovering from pneumonia, caught while in a Calgary hospital awaiting surgery. This highly intelligent and accomplished man, a PhD in Earth Sciences and Engineering, mentioned in passing the positive experience of Peru using Ivermectin to reduce Covid-19 infections and deaths. I searched out the following paper, which provides credible supporting data that Ivermectin works in this application. My friend found and verified this important information after two weeks in intensive care, while still recovering from pneumonia that required him to be on Oxygen up to a few days ago. Would it be too much to expect our well-staffed Alberta Health authorities to do as much?

I have not seen our Alberta Health authorities even recommend daily doses of Vitamin D, let alone preventative treatment with HCQ+Zinc+antibiotics or Ivermectin. The questions is why not? I cannot understand the government’s willingness to inject everyone with a new and relatively untested rush-job vaccine, while at the same time being reluctant to re-purpose decades-old, proven-safe, inexpensive drugs to prevent and treat Covid-19.

Is our Alberta government really that slothful and incompetent, or is the destructive Marxist Deep State alive and well within the Alberta civil service – or is it both?

Regards, Allan

REAL-WORLD EVIDENCE: THE CASE OF PERU. CAUSALITY BETWEEN IVERMECTIN AND”COVID-19 INFECTION FATALITY RATE
October 2020 / Juan Chamie, Universidad EAFIT
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344469305_Real-World_Evidence_The_Case_of_Peru_Causality_between_Ivermectin_and_COVID-19_Infection_Fatality_Rate

Conclusion
In these eight Peruvian State analyses, Ivermectin distributions preceded sound reductions in excess deaths and case fatality rate (CFR). The variation in the number of detected cases nor the vulnerable population decrease can explain this reduction. Other possible explanations, such as cross-immunity with dengue, or mere causality, have been discarded due to their lack of consistency in this study.
Treatment with Ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in number of deaths and fatality rate in Peru. Its implementation in public policies is a highly effective measure to reduce the excess deaths and IFR of COVID-19.

Last edited 4 months ago by ALLAN MACRAE
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 30, 2020 1:13 am

After I published the 30Dec2020 post above, someone sent me this video.

Watch USA-trained pediatrician Dr Larry Palevsky on the risks of the Covid-19 vaccine – I like his medical assessment of the vaccine – the risk/reward is imbalanced, especially for those under 65. Not sure what to think about Dr. Northrup.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2105918079543616&id=1399710973580925&m_entstream_source=video_home&player_format=permalink&ref=watch_permalink

Published by me on 17Dec2020:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/17/gao-asks-court-to-compel-new-mexico-ag-to-stop-stonewalling-in-discovery-provide-answers-to-questions-about-work-with-activists-and-activist-ags/#comment-3148432

NURSE PASSES OUT AFTER RECEIVING COVID VACCINE
mobile.twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1339768567659683840?s=20

When it comes to getting the COVID-19 vaccine, I keep saying the same thing:
I will be the most polite guy on the planet, at the back of the line for the COVID-19 vaccine, saying “No no, you go first, I insist”.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 30, 2020 11:28 am

Allan, RE:
**I have not seen our Alberta Health authorities even recommend daily doses of Vitamin D, let alone preventative treatment with HCQ+Zinc+antibiotics or Ivermectin. The questions is why not? I cannot understand the government’s willingness to inject everyone with a new and relatively untested rush-job vaccine, while at the same time being reluctant to re-purpose decades-old, proven-safe, inexpensive drugs to prevent and treat Covid-19.**

ALL of Canada is the same. I have written to doctors that appear on TV, media, Health departments, and politicians concerning the number of deaths among people in care facilities. Essentially, I get NO replies or bad ones. The media does not want to ask the questions why not. Donna Laframboise who has the blog nofrakkenconcensus wrote about it:
https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2020/08/24/hydroxychloroquine-the-judgment-of-history/
Hydroxychloroquine & the Judgment of HistoryHow a safe, well-understood malaria drug was demonized as a COVID-19 treatment. Because a politician said good things about it.

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In the aftermath of this pandemic, books will be written about how medical professionals responded. What treatments they tried, what worked, what didn’t – and how regulators and politicians assisted or hindered them.
In the meantime, a lengthy essay by Norman Doidge persuasively argues that history will judge many people and organizations harshly. Including most of the media.
Early in Hydroxychloroquine: A Morality Tale, Doidge says “politicization has started to penetrate the peer review process” of scientific journals. In fact, that process has been gathering steam for decades (see here, here, here, and here).
But this is a mere hiccup. Keep reading. Doidge methodically describes how boatloads of smart people suddenly started calling one of the world’s oldest, safest, and cheapest drugs dangerous.
Originally developed to prevent and treat malaria, Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) was later found to be helpful for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. It has long been deemed an Essential Medicine by the World Health Organization, which describes the drugs appearing on that list as “safe and cost-effective.”
The US Food & Drug Administration gave HCQ the safety thumbs-up back in 1955 – 65 bleeping years ago.

So to me the bottom line is: TDS
Too many people watch AND believe what they see on CNN. They do not want to make Trump look good.

2hotel9
December 28, 2020 5:57 am

Guessing is all Fuaxi ever had. It is a flu strain, stopping listening to their lies.

PaulH
December 28, 2020 6:08 am

From NY Times:

“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” Dr. Fauci said. “Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html

Making public health decisions via surveys. Yikes.

UNGN
December 28, 2020 7:30 am

When is someone going to ask Fauci about Gain of Function Research? Is it too dangerous? Should there be a worldwide ban? Should scientist’s be playing God in a Lab?

At least get him on the record for when the world finally wakes up, realizes how we got here and starts holding people actually accountable.

Reply to  UNGN
December 30, 2020 1:23 am

DR. FAUCI BACKED CONTROVERSIAL WUHAN LAB WITH U.S. DOLLARS FOR RISKY CORONAVIRUS RESEARCH
By Fred Guterl 28Apr2020

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
[excerpt]

But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.


SARS-CoV-2 , the virus now causing a global pandemic, is believed to have originated in bats. U.S. intelligence, after originally asserting that the coronavirus had occurred naturally, conceded last month that the pandemic may have originated in a leak from the Wuhan lab.

ResourceGuy
December 28, 2020 7:33 am
rickk
December 28, 2020 8:02 am

Herd immunity is cheap – and that’s all you need to know – that and the CDC’s numbers that 99.96% of those under 60 that get covid, recover from covid.

Fauci ‘muddies’ the water to keep the fear and uncertainty alive and well…the media were lemmings at the outset but now they’re coming around oh so glacially questioning what the hell is going on.

Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 8:14 am

The fashion shop Tom Tailor was just bought by the Chinese for 1 Euro.
https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/finanzen/chinesen-kaufen-tom-tailor-fuer-1-euro-e
At the same time the money printing machine is galloping.

If we don’t take the masks on and begin working hard, most of us will be pauper under the great Chinese 4th Reich.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 11:34 am

Covid-19
Reaching Herd Immunity
December 28, 2020

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Ashish Jah (and others) have said the number of unidentified cases may be 10 x the # of diagnosed cases.

“Our best estimate right now is that for every case that’s reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” Redfield said, according to a Washington Post story.

United States COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by State
Reported to the CDC since January 21, 2020

TOTAL CASES
18,909,910
+179,104 New Cases

If 20 million people have had a recorded positive case of Covid, and the fore-mentioned figures on unreported cases is accurate, it means that potentially 200 million people have had the infection.

The U.S. has 332 million people. 200 million / 320 million = 62%.

Ashish Jah and others are suggesting we need to reach 75 – 80 % for herd immunity.

Currently we are seeing 179,000 new cases daily. How far out can herd immunity be?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

CDCs Covid Tracker says the U.S. is nearing 20 million people who have or have had the virus. Redfield, Fauci, Ashish Jah, and other experts have said that the number of diagnosed positives is probably only 10% of the total; most cases go unreported because they are asymptomatic or too mild to bother with. That means that of the U.S. population of 330 million, it’s conceivable that 200 million have already gotten the virus. That’s 62%.

This means that we could be within a few weeks of achieving a herd immunity of around 75 – 80% – unless a significant mutation evades the current shot. Barring that, the vaccine will help, but clearly it’s the infections themselves that have “innoculated” us.

Fauci is the talking head we most often hear, but he isn’t the one in charge. Fauci (NIAID) reports to Francis Collins of NIH. Stephen Hahn (FDA) and Redfield (CDC) have played their roles in the comedy of errors. And all of them report to Cabinet Secretary Alex Azar (HHS).

And in fact, Trump appointed both Azar and Redfield. If we consider this a “ring of incompetents” – and I think it was – the “one ring to rule them all” was Trump.

They have each committed stupid acts, but in my view their chief failure was in the area of testing, starting with Redfield’s virus-tainted CDC test kits, shipped in early February. That set the tone for the ineptitude to come. In my opinion their most venal sin was an act of omission.

The one thing that might have significantly slowed or stopped the pandemic in its tracks was (and is) a widely-distributed rapid antigen test. Such tests with “at-home” potential, were already available in the spring, but none of these leaders (FDA was the proximate agency) would (or will) authorize their use because they would take health agencies out of the loop for getting results or controlling the public response to them. The antigen tests I’ve seen online could be sold at Costco or Walgreens. They are a self-administered nasal swab which registers a positive within minutes, and is 90% accurate for a person with an infectious viral load. But even if a test picked up only 50% of the positives that the overly-sensitive PCR tests reveal, they would be a boon for schools, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. where immediate results are everything – and they can be confirmed with a second rapid test or PCR. Taken routinely by every American (priced, say, at $1 per paper strip) they would get half the infectious cases out of circulation in the first few days of use. Only now is Fauci giving lip service to these tests, and Secretary Hahn authorizing them for emergency use, though they are still hampered by elaborate restrictions on purchase (with a doctor’s orders) and reporting of results.

We are rightly celebrating the roll-out of our vaccines in record-breaking time. But meanwhile, as Carl Friis-Hansen says above, the Chinese GDP is up ~ 5% in the third quarter, as are consumer spending and industrial output, and their markets are booming. It appears they’ve got their epidemic under control. While the U.S. doesn’t have the iron fist of a dictator telling us exactly what to do and when, we do have the freedom to pick leaders who know what they are doing.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  Bill Parsons
December 28, 2020 12:29 pm

Redfield is as big an idiot as Fauci. His “10 times” prediction does not anywhere near correlate with the research and the modeling of his own agency. Yet, it seems that many epidemiologists use data methods that can be pretty speculative at times when it comes to calculating an infection fatality rate or the susceptibility of the population to a particular disease. So perhaps 200 million infections in this country is not so far off base, after all. If that were to be the case, then the infection fatality rate is around .145%, definitely not much worse than an average flu season.

Joel O'Bryan
December 28, 2020 8:18 am

Fauci’s been pulling his COVID-19 advice out of his backside since late April when he backtracked on his 60-Minutes interview statement on masks. In that interview he said “masks don’t work for this virus.” He was absolutely correct per the science then.
He obviously got lots of Libtard blowback from colleagues, and then backtracked. Since that time, he’s just been making it up and faking it. Since then, the lock-down madness has been politically driven, not science-driven.
If lock-downs were actually science-driven, they’d have ended in May. Completely. And Fauci knows that, he just can’t say it. He has no moral courage.

Doonman
December 28, 2020 8:21 am

Dr. Fauci has never suggested that people wear goggles to prevent Covid-19 from entering the body through your eyeballs. However, it is medically well known that cells in the eye do have ACE2 receptors where Covid-19 attaches. It is also well known that blinking supplies tears and then removes the fluid through the nasolacrimal duct into the nose. Add this to the fact that people routinely touch and rub their eyes and it is apparent that this is a serious health issue.

He has purposely ignored any discussion about this and has never mentioned it, along with all democrat governors who have never mentioned or mandated the wearing of eye goggles to keep you safe.

starzmom
Reply to  Doonman
December 28, 2020 9:16 am

Somebody was out there recommending googles to protect your eyes from infection–I just don’t remember who. And when I travel, I routinely see folks in haz-mat suits in the airport, complete with masks, full face shields, googles and booties.

TonyG
Reply to  Doonman
December 28, 2020 9:26 am

I’m no fan of Fauci, but let’s please stick with facts – here is what Fauci said about goggles: https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-fauci-wear-goggles-eye-shields-prevent-spread/story?id=72059055

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Doonman
December 28, 2020 10:47 am

The eye surface is constantly washed with blinking and tears to keep the cornea moist and clean of dust and debris. That dust and debris can easily have hundreds of Corona-virus particles in every tear drop. Those tears are flushed via the nasolacrimal duct (tear duct) into the nasal cavities under each eye socket.
So without eye pro, even the best-fitted N-95 mask is basically useless.

BobM
December 28, 2020 8:22 am

My question: Why is CNN finally asking some pointed questions NOW, instead of months ago? Had the left media done their job before the election, we would probably still have 1) an economy, 2) fewer dead people, and 3) a President for four more years.

TonyG
Reply to  BobM
December 28, 2020 9:27 am

“Had the left media done their job before the election

I think you answered your own question.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  BobM
December 29, 2020 3:07 pm

Correct!!

TonyG
December 28, 2020 9:15 am

But whatever you do, don’t question it or you’ll get fired: https://www.ktvu.com/news/east-bay-doctor-removed-from-position-after-questioning-stay-at-home-orders

Surprised WUWT hasn’t picked up this one yet – it’s very much in line with what’s happened to prominent climate “deniers” who speak out. Yet more suppression of any questioning of the “settled” science.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  TonyG
December 28, 2020 10:23 am

But whatever you do, don’t question it or you’ll get fired

You will also have your social platform accounts purged and called names.
If Klaus Schwab staff does not approve, you will need to go undetground at Parler or Telegram.
The artillery in 21st century is Internet, MSM, Climate dictatorship, Virus dictatorship, lock-down and face nappies.

Willie Soon asks us to repeat this Joe Biden public statement loudly and often:
“We have put together…the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization.”

Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 9:18 am

Not only Fauci make covert business, so do and did The Bidens:

UKRAINE RELEASES BOMBSHELL INFORMATION ON BIDEN TODAY! MIRROR THIS ASAP

Last edited 4 months ago by Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 29, 2020 4:13 am

UKRAINE RELEASES BOMBSHELL INFORMATION ON BIDEN TODAY!

https://youtu.be/hKDXVo-OKeQ

This is important – watch it.

Carl Friis-Hansen
December 28, 2020 9:27 am

First the Tanzanian president, now the Italian doctors are having fun test Corona. What would Fauci say about herd immunity with regards to Kiwi?
Must the Kiwi go in quarantine? Corona rapid test

Last edited 4 months ago by Carl Friis-Hansen
Tom Abbott
December 28, 2020 9:42 am

Fauci started off on the wrong foot at the beginning of the Wuhan virus pandemic by claiming the general public did not need to wear masks.

He later admitted that he said that not because he did not think the general pubic should be wearing masks, but because he was afraid if he did say masks were required, then the general public would scoop up all the available masks, leaving health care workers without any.

Fauci injected politics into the pandemic, rather than just sticking to medicine.

And this, and other claims that turned out not to be true, have shaken the faith of the general public in any pronouncements from government officials.

A lot of people don’t know what to believe anymore.

Governments have destroyed their own credibility. That’s not good for self-governing nations.

Walter Sobchak
December 28, 2020 10:36 am

And you believed him.

Suckah

stinkerp
December 28, 2020 10:41 am

Hey, Fauci, guess what? It’s your word against yourself. Those were quotes of what you said, fiddling with the herd immunity numbers, probably to encourage people to get vaccinated (which I think is a good idea, but a lot of people don’t). Pretty hard to weasel out of that, but you tried again. Weasel. Try being honest.

John Robertson
December 28, 2020 11:19 am

This bureaucrat,the good doctor Fauci,is the personification of “GOOD ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT”.

The one good thing to come from this Plandemic,is the demonstration of how useless,clueless and dangerous government help is.

For,by the numbers,Covid-19 is not a pandemic,it hardly has the death toll of a bad flu season.
The real damage,financially,spiritually and human health wise has come from the panicked reactions of persons unfit to lead.

Now,10 months into it,we still lack the most basic information,from government sources,to make informed decisions about how we shall respond to the virus and any sickness.

Larry in Texas
December 28, 2020 11:45 am

If you know anything about Fauci, especially during the so-called “heterosexual AIDS crisis,” Fauci has been making it up as he goes along for a long time. He is the least trustworthy public health official in history. Why Trump didn’t fire him back in March remains a mystery to me.

Paul Penrose
December 28, 2020 1:45 pm

A “guesstimate” is still just a guess, but with a little bit of data to help reduce the range somewhat. You would not believe how many people have told me, “They are not guessing! They are scientists and Doctors and they know a lot more about it than you!”

Paul in uk
December 28, 2020 4:12 pm

Don’t we have enough data by now to calculate herd immunity? Do we really need to vaccinate the same (herd immunity) percent if a large percent of the population have already been infected? Even if we mostly go back to normal wouldn’t a large proportion of people still be taking a lot of precautions for a very long time?

I’m concerned the vaccine strategy may backfire and create a worse situation in the long run either because we don’t know the long term repercussions of the vaccine for us or we don’t adequately know the mutation issues. From what I can make out this (mRNA) is a new methodology, never approved before (or am I wrong?) yet they plan with no long term experience to inject almost everyone. I spent my career in engineering, development, validation, fault finding but I do not share the confidence of/in science/engineering to understand and control nature. As they say; a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I fear despite our huge advances and some successes (perhaps giving us false confidence) we may still be at that very dangerous stage of assuming we are clever enough but blissfully unaware what we are doing dangerously wrong.

Seeing these leaders etc getting vaccinated on TV to convince others reminds me of the BSE issue we had in the UK where we were wrongly told it should not transfer to humans and was definitely safe to eat and watched a minister feed a beef burger to his child to convince us all it was safe to eat beef. The scientist who was saying he thought it might transfer to humans was moved on so he could not continue his research. Are we learning the right lessons? Implementing the right procedures to avoid dangerous mistakes? It seems to me in such circumstances, when we are under great pressures, trying to be clever, messing with nature, fall back on the same arguments “no evidence of”, “we cannot see a mechanism by which” “our experience and scientific knowledge (from what we think are similar situations) tells us” we are making very dangerous assumptions.

I’ve been watching the graph for Swale in Kent, south east England where there has been a large wave starting around October, and it may be one of, or the main location where the latest variant wave started. Numbers in Swale kept rising unlike most other areas in the country despite national lockdown2 in early November so perhaps that could be suggesting (I’m no expert in any of this) this latest wave is due to the new variant and that lockdown was not adequate to bring it under control. Unfortunately I don’t know how much the Christmas holiday is delaying reporting of the numbers, I suspect there is a very big delay, but even so I’m hoping it may be looking like for Swale, and its neighbour Medway, numbers might be falling now since about 14th and 18th Dec respectively. If so, I’m wondering if Swale and Medway have reached a kind of herd immunity in the part of the population not adequately shielded, on the basis lockdown is not bringing down numbers with the new variant, so perhaps it’s a kind of herd immunity finally bringing it down.

I don’t know whether it’s coincidence but by my calculations if both Swale and Medway are now falling, they did so on about 14th and 18th December respectively and both at a point when their cumulative values since mid October reached 4.1% of the population, same % for both.

If the above is correct and we assume that 4% value is much lower than the actual because we are not testing everyone, and assume most of the infections are among the group of the population not adequately isolated, then perhaps that group have already reached a considerably larger %, enough to bring their R below 1. If all that is so, by the time the wave has fully passed in Swale/Medway in perhaps a couple of weeks(?) the cumulative value will be much higher so we can accommodate some dilution as the shielders come out of hiding. And, at this rate most of England might have reached the same situation as Swale and Medway in a couple of months? And if so, would the vaccine, then really have so much of an impact anymore? Or have I got that all wrong?

Even if we really do have no alternative but to vaccinate, wouldn’t it be better and less risky for now carefully targeting who to vaccinate, bearing in mind the above, keeping the vaccinated numbers of people as low as possible while we learn more. And have a big education campaign to show people how to eat and live more healthily, getting plenty of vitamin D, C, B, potassium, selenium, zinc, copper, etc, fresh air and exercise both to boost their immunity and reduce health issues that put them at higher risk. Plus extremely careful isolation for anyone with very poor immune system if they catch it severely and need considerable medical help in case they produce dangerous mutations.

TonyG
Reply to  Paul in uk
December 28, 2020 4:32 pm

This doctor apparently got it after getting the vaccine: https://twitter.com/dremilyportermd/status/1343237307558670337

StevenF
Reply to  TonyG
December 28, 2020 9:50 pm

Not surprising. It takes 10 to 14 days for the immune system to kick in after a vaccination and in this case it takes a second vaccination 3 weeks later to increase the protection. Getting the virus a week after a vaccination is just bad luck.

TonyG
Reply to  StevenF
December 29, 2020 8:31 am

Fair ’nuff

StevenF
Reply to  Paul in uk
December 28, 2020 9:48 pm

I am a public health professional and am pretty embarrassed for what passes for common sense and scholarship among my peers. Though I have trouble calling them peers. As many of you have surmised this virus is not that big a deal and could have been handled very differently. We are not there yet but we don’t need 75% immunity for herd immunity. We should start seeing it kick in once we reach about 40% or even less. Herd immunity is not an all or nothing phenomena. The effect will begin gradually. But we are not at 60% immunity like some seem to think.

But I would like to comment on the fear of the mRNA virus. There have been very few long term complications from recent vaccines (there were some in the past, the biggest one being maybe the live polio vaccine). But for there to be a long term complication there has to be a mechanism by which that occurs. There is no such mechanism with an mRNA virus. This will be the safest virus we’ve ever released. Sure there is always the possibility that there is something that we don’t know about but that makes as little sense as suggesting that the models for climate change are right and the real unadulterated data is wrong.

mRNA is made of nucleotides, the same ones that make up DNA, RNA, and messenger RNA (mRNA). The way the biological system works is that your DNA encodes mRNA that is transported to the ribosomes where it is used to encode proteins. After the protein is synthesized, the mRNA is broken down into its component parts. This is constantly happening in every living cell of your body.

What this vaccine does is use that mechanism to encode for the spike protein from COVID. The vaccine is just mRNA surrounded by a lipid layer (very common in your body) that allows it to get into the cell where it is transported to the ribosomes. It predominantly gets absorbed by the cells in the muscle where it is injected. It doesn’t really travel around the body to wreck havoc somewhere else as I have seen written. At the ribosome the protein is made and the mRNA is broken down naturally. The only difference between real mRNA is in the nucleotide Uracil. For some reason some animals had allergic reactions to Uracil in testing years ago and so a synthetic uracil was created to solve that problem. But the synthetic uracil also gets broken down. There are little to no preservatives (which is why it has to be stored so cold compared to other vaccines). There are some byproducts of manufacturing remaining in the mix but these are products that have been used for many years and there is no reason to suspect that they would cause some sort of long term harm.

My personal opinion is that mRNA vaccines are the safest vaccines and the one that I will get.

Paul in uk
Reply to  StevenF
December 29, 2020 1:55 pm

Many thanks StevenF I really appreciate your very good comments on herd immunity and mRNA vaccines. I admit I know far too little on this subject, but I do think your comment does contain a lot of important helpful points.

There are several questions in my mind for the vaccine:

1) They say they don’t know if the vaccine prevents you passing the virus on. I don’t understand that; doesn’t that also then mean they don’t know if it prevents you getting the virus, (but I presume they should  know if anyone caught it so it doesn’t seem to make sense to me, I must be missing something) but only that it means for 90 or 95% we see no symptoms. So does that mean a lot of vaccinated people could still catch it and pass it on; even though they may be asymptomatic, so it may still circulate even among those vaccinated, but asymptomatically? I’m not sure we understand the long term health issues yet from having had the virus, not just long covid, even for asymptomatic people. From what I can make out the body may never fully get rid of the virus, I know it may be a poor comparison, but perhaps a bit like chicken pox and then shingles attacks later in life.

2) I’m curious to know what analysis has been done on the 5% or so who still caught the virus despite the vaccine; do we understand why they still caught the virus? Did they catch a different variant, suggesting that if we all get vaccinated and go back to normal, very quickly any new resistant variant(s) might run out of control? They talk about being able to adapt the vaccine in 6 weeks, but my analysis (as a total beginner) implies to me looking at waves, e.g. the current situation with the new variant that these can develop very quickly; 6 weeks may be too slow.

Or did any suffer from a ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) and if so do we know why?

3) I definitely don’t know what I’m talking about here; but if we’re using AAV’s; Adeno-associated viral vectors to deliver the  vaccine, do we know for sure how this might impact the body’s acceptance of future treatments (i.e. it rejects them so they can’t work)?

4) I thought there was a recent court case where two scientists (one a former vice president at Pfizer, plus a lung specialist) tried to halt all trials until a better design study was available to address concerns they and other scientists had. It seems to me if people of that background are prepared to go to court, perhaps we need to most carefully consider what they have to say and properly discuss it.

StevenF
Reply to  Paul in uk
December 29, 2020 9:03 pm

Thanks for the kind words. Let me take your points in order.

1) Some of these are not simple answers. In fact, the entire issue of asymptomatic transmission is something that has never been a concern before but seems to have become a major issue due to the panic of this virus and the justification for the response. No one ever really cared before whether someone got a disease but didn’t show any symptoms. I also think that the question of whether someone who is asymptomatic can easily spread the disease is unanswered. There have been studies looking at how many viruses are shed from breathing, talking, singing, and a single cough. It was something like 1.2 viruses per min for breathing, 3.4 for talking, 12 for singing (which makes singing 4 times as bad as just breathing) but then a single cough can expel millions of viruses. So there is no comparison. Given that it takes a certain amount of viral particles to infect someone, it is much more likely to occur with someone symptomatic than asymptomatic. We heard a lot about people getting sick at a choir practice. My guess is that there was someone at that choir practice who was coughing a little.

As far as vaccination research (any medical research for that matter), we are working with human beings so it is more difficult to be more specific early on. We can’t put human subjects through the same protocols that we may use for animal research. So we have to give time a chance to determine the answers.

What we know so far is that it appears that the vaccine prevents 100% of serious disease and seems to prevent 95% of mild symptoms. Whether it prevents asymptomatic is as yet unknown. I would surmise that in someone with a competent immune system, it would be unlikely for an active virus to infect enough cells to be infectious in the presence of a strong initial antibody response but it will take time to know.

As far as long term health effects from the virus. Almost all viruses have long term health effects. You just didn’t hear much about them. It became fashionable to talk about COVID long term effects because we needed a reason to make those who were at little risk of death to be worried about something. It is very unlikely that the virus will remain in your body for a long term. The virus will incorporate itself into your cell’s DNA but those cells will die off and replacement cells will not have that viral DNA. The turn over of those cells happens over a period of months not decades. Chickenpox is a herpes virus, which is a very different type of virus. Herpes viruses will lay dormant in your nerves for decades which is why long term consequences are so common.

2) There has been no evidence whatsoever that the virus domain that encodes for the spike protein has been changing. It has been very stable. It may be that viruses that mutate in that region die out because they can’t infect other cells. As of now it is very unlikely that there will be waves of COVID virus that are resistant to the spike protein antibodies.

ADE, which I am not going to go into, is always an issue. But it is something that is known though still being understood. Especially in dengue fever. There has been no evidence in any of the trials or since mass immunization has started that ADE is an issue with COVID. I am willing to bet quite a bit that there are people at Pfizer and Moderna (and the FDA) who are carefully watching for it. So yes, it is something to think about but not something to worry about. I tend to be an optimist. Others like to worry about everything. When I was in medical school a professor use to say, “when you hear hoof beats outside your room at night, think of horses, not zebras.” Zebras are possible but not likely. ADE is a zebra. I don’t worry about it but we should be aware of it.

3) The Astrazenca vaccine is an adenovirus vectored vaccine. The problem with those vaccines is that most people have antibodies to adenoviruses. They are trying to get around that by using a simian adenovirus with the idea that it will not cross react with human adenovirus antibodies. The jury is still out on it.

Remember that a virus is not a living organism. It is just a collection of nucleotides that can invade a living organism and take over the machinery of the organism to make copies of itself. What these viral vectored vaccines try to do is to remove the part of the virus that makes copies of itself and utilize the part of the virus that allows it to get taken up into a cell and inserted into the DNA. The part that is put into the DNA is only the coding for the COVID spike protein. The part that would encode for more viral particles is missing. This makes the vaccine safer than a live or killed virus vaccine.

4) I haven’t heard anything about the court case you reference.

I hope this helps.

Paul in uk
Reply to  StevenF
December 30, 2020 6:15 am

Many thanks Steven, a very interesting reply, I’ll have to wait until later now to digest it. The only problem with this site is new articles appear so frequently, I think many useful or interesting discussions soon get lost or stop before questions answered and good conclusions can be reached so I’m grateful.

goracle
December 28, 2020 8:32 pm

I previously stated we’ve never been lied to more as a country than we are now regarding the scamdenic… now the chief scammer himself admits he lied – in purpose.

3 months now with lockdown restrictions and 95%+ mask compliance indoors…. and nearly that much even when outside (at least here in metro northeast)… and covid deaths still increasing??? lockdowns and masks don’t work… fauci ought to be tarred and feathered in front of white house for all the peeps to see.

Tarrasik
December 29, 2020 4:19 am

Mr. Fauci is an Italian Jew. That’s all you need to know.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Tarrasik
December 29, 2020 9:33 am

And you are trying to discredit the man based on his ethnicity and/or religion, which is irrational and deceitful. That’s all we need to know about you, Tarrasik.

Gerald Machnee
December 29, 2020 2:52 pm

So it took a year for CNN to figure out that Fauci is actually Falsi.
Trump should have fired him the day he criticized him for the HCQ quote from a much better doctor.
Then CNN has the hypocrite Gupta who tows the CNN line. Between them and the Democrats they have killed over half a million people. When do we get a class action lawsuit?
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Here are the two web sites which now have over 200 studies which show the efficacy of HCQ, Zinc and Ivermectin:


https://c19study.com/

https://hcqmeta.com/

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