Guest essay by Eric Worrall
While nobody expects the elimination of New Zealand’s carbon footprint to have a significant direct impact on global warming, the rest of the world will surely be inspired by New Zealand’s moral example.
New Zealand declares a climate change emergency
Phil Taylor in Auckland
Wed 2 Dec 2020 13.42 AEDTJacinda Ardern calls climate change ‘one of the greatest challenges of our time’ and pledges carbon-neutral government by 2025
New Zealand has declared a climate change emergency and committed to a carbon-neutral government by 2025, in what the prime minister Jacinda Ardern called “one of the greatest challenges of our time”.
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Speaking in parliament after its introduction, Ardern said the country must “act with urgency”.Climate emergency: New Zealand must match words and actionsRead more
“This declaration is an acknowledgement of the next generation. An acknowledgement of the burden that they will carry if we do not get this right and do not take action now,” she said.
“It is up to us to make sure we demonstrate a plan for action, and a reason for hope.”
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/new-zealand-declares-a-climate-change-emergency
New Zealand does not manufacture much, decades of radical environmentalism have taken a toll. So despite New Zealand’s pledge to be carbon neutral by 2025, they will be importing lots of carbon tainted manufactured goods for the foreseeable future.
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I laugh in their general direction. Welcome to living in the 18th century again…
The history of the final two decades of the 18th Century have two of the most consequential revolutions of the past 2,000 years: the American revolution and the French Revolution.
The French Revolution especially captures the public’s attention because it led not just to guillotine for thousands but a deep, internal restructuring of French society and governance. And the 3 other major European powers at the time, England, Austria, and Prussia viewed the French revolution as grave threat because of an idea of Freedom that that they feared would spread to their autocratic ruling class.
As for the American Revolution, it really wasn’t decisively decided until the Americans were again victorious in the conclusion of the War of 1812. Until that point, the US experiment in breaking free from Great Britain’s colonial control was still not finalized until December 24, 1814 Treaty of Ghent which finally ended Great Britain’s desire to control the Americans.
The “causes” section of the French Revolution in Wikipedia deserves a read by anyone looking for historical parallels between what led up to the overthrow of the French monarchy.
Those Causes are clues to what may happen if the ongoing climate scam and ruinous energy policies are used as an excuse to destroy economic productivity and thus an inability for the common People to stay fed in a hunger/famine induced by energy poverty. And an underlying theme running through this was the French government’s inability to continue to refinance its crushing debts.
The intellectuals on the Left understand much of this history and their desire to March the West into it’s own Green Leap Forward following the ideals of Mao’s era of destruction and consolidation of power across China. The Left in the West has been striving for several decades now to disarm their populace. They’ve succeeded in most of Europe, Canada, Australia, and recently NZ in this disarming the population to prevent a French Revolution-style counter revolution to their plans via a Free people able to fight back.
Bottom-line: There is new civil war in the US coming unless the Left can be stopped now at the ballot box.
First, you’d need to get the ballot box out from under the Left. As long as they control the boxes and the counters, they can not be stopped.
+1
It is not just the left that control the ballot. Elites on both sides of the divide are clearly seen to be involved to protect their own privileges. Republicans who were elected to preserve the interests of the people have abandoned them to the wolves.
The day our population loses confidence that their LEGAL votes will be accurately counted – and that illegal votes will not be – is the day that democracy as defined here will cease to exist. Is that what Obama had in mind when he said he would fundamentally change in America? Voting, and confidence in the result, is pretty fundamental. And Obama never explained what he meant by that statement!
“It is not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes” – Joseph Stalin
To Joel O’Brian. The Americans did not win the war of 1812 just as they didn’t win the Vietnam War.
Major General Sir Edward Pakenham would have begged differ with that assessment had he survived the War of 1812-1815. The massive losses suffered by the British Army at the Battle of New Orleans ensured Britain would abide by the Treaty of Ghent and respect American sovereignty.
Ole Barry is a bit historically challenged. Say what?
“Ole Barry is a bit historically challenged.”
Yeah, Barry is wrong on both counts.
The United States is free of British rule.
And the U.S. did not lose the Vietnam war. The U.S. military returned to the United States in 1973, after the Paris Peace Agreement was signed. Two years later, the North Vietnamese broke the peace treaty and invaded South Vietnam again.
And even though the United States was legally and morally obligated to go to South Vietnam’s aid under these circumstances, the radical Left was in charge in the United States (embodied by Senator Edward Kennedy) and they told South Vietnam to Go to Hell and refused to come to their aid. So the United States did not lose the Vietnam war, rather South Vietnam was thrown to the communist wolves by Leftwing American politicians. The U.S. military had nothing to do with it.
When Leftwing politicians are in charge in the United States, every freedom-loving nation on Earth is in danger, because leftwing American politicians will not defend you, or defend even their own nation. Trump said when he first took Office, one of his generals came to him and told him the military was critically short of ammunition. That’s how leftwing politicians treat the U.S. military. Obama and Biden left out military in a bind when they left Office. And now here comes Biden again.
https://youtu.be/50_iRIcxsz0
You guys did have a little help from the French.
The Battle of New Orleans actually took place after an end to the war was agreed upon….messages traveled slow back then. The Vietnam War was won at a very high price and then Nixon got in political trouble and the demrats were able to pass legislation prohibiting any further action in Vietnam…..without American air power standing by , the North Vietnamese invaded South Vietnam with conventional forces and overwhelmed the South Vietnamese forces.
The writing was on the wall in the Vietnam war in 1965. The lessons from the battles at Drang & Albany were swept under the carpet. Effectively the war was lost in Nov 1965. It took another two years to 31 Jan 1968 when even the most optimistic arm chair general realised the game was up.
“The writing was on the wall in the Vietnam war in 1965. The lessons from the battles at Drang & Albany were swept under the carpet. Effectively the war was lost in Nov 1965. It took another two years to 31 Jan 1968 when even the most optimistic arm chair general realised the game was up.”
A ridiculous statement, which shows you know nothing about the Vietnam war.
During the Tet Offensive in early 1968, American forces wiped out the Viet Cong communist guerriallas/terrorists that had operated in South Vietnam under cover for years. During the Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong believed the communist propaganda that they were going to defeat the United States, so the Viet Cong came out of hiding for the first time in the war, and the Americans promptly destroyed them. The Viet Cong were no longer an effective fighting force after the Tet Offensive, they had to be replaced by North Vietnamese regular military.
At the end of the war, the North Vietnamese were hurt so badly that they were putting 15-year-old boys into the fighting line. Why do you think they signed a peace treaty if they were winning?
The North Vietnamese tried another major military offensive in May of 1968, called Mini-Tet by the Americans. The North Vietnamese mounted this offensive in order to compensate for the bad publicity they got from the first Tet Offensive when they were beaten so badly by American forces. So they tried another one in May, although this one wasn’t nearly as comprehensive as the first Tet Offensive, since they had a lot less troops available to them for the second go-round.
Mini-Tet was also a military disaster for the North Vietnamese.
Yes. Didnt they get beaten in British Canada.
I expect Donald Trump might call it a win, a huge win. Most historians would, if be generous, call it a draw. The real losers were the American Indians.
‘The United States suffered many costly defeats at the hands of British, Canadian and Native American troops over the course of the War of 1812, including the capture and burning of the nation’s capital, Washington, D.C., in August 1814. Nonetheless, American troops were able to repulse British invasions in New York, Baltimore and New Orleans, boosting national confidence and fostering a new spirit of patriotism. The ratification of the Treaty of Ghent on February 17, 1815, ended the war but left many of the most contentious questions unresolved. Nonetheless, many in the United States celebrated the War of 1812 as a “second war of independence,” beginning an era of partisan agreement and national pride.”
” The real losers were the American Indians.”
I’m an American Indian (Cherokee). Well, partially. And I don’t feel like a loser. Perhaps you don’t speak for all indians.
Indians in this neck of the woods (Oklahoma) are doing pretty good. They are doing so good, they are donating money to white people.
They won at the battle of New Orleans when Andrew Jackson destroyed the British Troops. British troops have never returned. That’s winning, dude.
Vietnam – the purpose was to limit the expansion of communism – today you got N Korea, The Chicoms and Vietnam – the last two are more fascist than Communist. The battle of Vietnam may have been lost but Communism in Asia is dead except 3 countries.
One of my favorite quotes, I think it’s true, Deng was asked on the 200 year anniversary of the French Revolution to give his thoughts on its effect.
He replied “too soon to tell”
It certainly was awful
According to Nixon’s interpreter, the “revolution” Deng was referring to was the French students’ revolts in 1968 rather than the revolt that began in 1789.
War of 1812 – aka “BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE”
Yeah, America won that. Totally.
Vietnam is more complex. In 1972 there was a small thing called the ‘Paris Peace Accords’. A treaty was signed and America left.
Then in 1975 the North decided they really wanted to show their tanks to the South Vietnamese government. America at the time signed and said they were not going to get involved this time. South Vietnam collapsed and history books gained a new page.
So the question is can you still lose a war if you have already left it via an internationally accepted treaty?
The other question is why, after spending all those years, all those lives and all that money defending the South from aggression by the North, did you just stand by and watch only a few years later? Was the war important or not?
There is no real clear simple answer to that, so the simple answer is that the ‘West’ failed to prevent the fall of the South Vietnamese government and the North won. And if the North won, then the ‘West’ clearly didn’t. And if they clearly didn’t win, then we may as well cut to the chase and say they lost.
It is a simple answer to a complex question that was never really going to have a palatable answer anyway.
Still, not as if the North Vietnamese marched unopposed into Washington and burnt down the White House or anything, so it can’t have been THAT bad.
I believe the American land- grab of Canada, commonly called the Revolutionary War of 1812 was a complete disaster for America with British Troops fighting through to Washington and razing the White House.
How strange that history can be so skewed by later reviewers.
The biggest laugh refers to electric cars which are “recommended” here.
All the ones I have seen carry a badge saying “Carbon Zero” or some such slogan.
The catch is that apart from windmills and solar, NZ relies on Hydro, which is fine, a little bit of Geothermal and the rest is thermal, which is mainly taken up by the large coal burning thermal electricity complex near a place called Huntly .
So for a start, the “Carbon Zero” slogan is BS as all that will happen, is that the Huntly thermal complex, which generally takes up any deficiency in the electricity grid, will take up any pressure from the rest of the grid. After all it is the biggest generator in NZ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntly_Power_Station
So much for Carbon Zero just turn up the flames at Huntly and feel good about it:)
Instead of “Carbon Zero” the cars should carry the Label “Coal Powered”.
Minor quibble: Your erroneous comment about the war of 1812 … harummph.
NZ is around 80% renewable electricity.
When the Clyde dam breaks in a quake…buh bye NZ!
I remember travelling through that area as it was being built in about 1984 and had to wait about half an hour as blasting was being done. There were many apricot groves destroyed and later on there were some big problems with the sides of the dam. It won’t be bye bye NZ if it breaks in a quake but it will mean the coal plants will have to ramp up.
If the Tiwhai aluminium smelter was closed we would be 100% renewable because all of Manapouri’s output goes there but the price of electricity is what encouraged them to build it in the first place and any threat to that will have them moving elsewhere and there have been a few threats over the years. I am not sure how many they employ but I suspect it would be to our detriment if it disappeared.
Where would the North Island be without the South Islands (mainlands) output? Basically geothermal and bird bashers.
if the alpine fault breaks Clyde is one of the more robust pieces of infrastructure. Loss of electricity will be the least of our worries
Relax, people. If the post’s words are accurate, St. Jacinda has only committed to a carbon-neutral GOVERNMENT by 2025.
Coal generates only about 4-5% of the electricity in NZ.
Then work hard to eliminate it 😉
What ever deficiency that the grid in NZ has, so long as it is the coal burning Huntly station, which is filling in the needs of the grid at any capacity and at any time.
This means that when you start any new appliance, including your EV, it is Huntly that will power your appliance/vehicle/ or rather send CO2 into the NZ pristine atmosphere.
To bad if there are a lot of EV’s.
Cheers
Roger
This may turn out to be a very long way away from funny for the people of NZ.
https://joannenova.com.au/2020/12/new-zealand-pm-has-just-given-permission-for-climate-zealots-to-break-laws-its-an-emergency/
Well, I f..at in her general direction!
What a maroon!
Tokenism.
Or perhaps Tolkeinism. He was quite the Luddite and they shot the movie there.
Yep! I used to ride past some of the sets on the train on my way to work. It’s amazing what CGI can do, turn Miramar in to Middle Earth. I understand the little houses with round doors are still there.
Tolkienism, hobbits are moving back to the middle earth.
More calorie-free virtue signalling. When they give up the importation of all manufactured goods from non-zero emission countries, I’ll be impressed.
She looks like a Racist White Colonial to me. Anyone else see it?
Andrew
She looks like she could mow down an entire stand of birch trees and make a beaver look-on with envy at those chompers.
And that’s her good anlge 🙂
Yes, she has not banned flights in and out of “her” country. Similar to How-r-ya folks…cool until it comes to the tourist bucks then they look the other way, the msm never makes note either, strange…
Those aren’t her real teeth, are they? Nah, didn’t think so.
Why am I reminded of AOC?
…as my sarkey mate Dave observed, when our colleague Smikey (think Shrek without the green skin) proudly proclaimed he still had all his own teeth,
“Yeah! We can see that; nobody would pay for teeth like that!” says Our Dave!
What a bunch of delusional nonsense. What next? Make cancer illegal? order volcanoes to knock it off? I don’t laugh in their general direction, I pass gas in their general direction, which both I am good at and is more appropriate.
Repent now for your methane emissions!
Send indulgence payments to St. Michael of Mann.
Ron Long
December 2, 2020 at 10:25 am
Exactly. While our Great Leader’s at it can she please turn off the earthquakes and cancel those annoying tsunamis by 2050.
And another micro degree C bites the dust
They filmed Lord of the Rings there. Maybe they decide to live in the same technological era as the books,
Wow. Any chance instead of a life sentence for treason they can just send the Big Tech and Deep State traitors to New Zealand to give that country what it deserves? There are two islands. One for those that are right and want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the other for the Leftists.
Couldn’t the AOC alike PM have waited to after Christmas?
German National TV is also spoiling Christmas as in this video I made English subtitle to a few hours ago:
cv19-german-state-tv-propaganda
Yay, inheritance.
Aktion T4.
After years of dealing with Germans in business, and yes I know the regional differences and their different styles, plus armed with a good knowledge of history (WWI is far, far more important than WWII), I have come to the conclusion that the big German failing is that they don’t know when to stop.
I leave it to you sketch out the great English failing. I’m Welsh.
Harry Davidson, this is what I wrote as description under the video:
The German propaganda for Climate and Covid policy is the same in New Zeeland, Wales, USA, etc.
Various states in Germany have different cultures and attitudes, but they all fight the Climate/Covid issue as you and I.
You say the Germans don’t know when to stop. – Following somewhat closely what is going on in Germany right now, and particularly the coming weekend, in various cities, really many Germans seem to intensify the the fight for freedom more eagerly than what we see in most other western countries.
I think that, in Europe, the nation that is most blasé about lost freedom and most willing to give them up are the British.
My own theory is that for most of Britain there hasn’t been a real despotic dictatorship since Cromwell died in 1658. The Jacobite Rebellions were a civil war even in Scotland, and were only harshly repressed in a small area. Across mainland Europe there’s not a nation that didn’t have a dictator or been fought over. Gives you a different perspective, never having had to take back liberty makes you careless with it.
The history of England and Wales goes forward from thew cataclysmic event of the Norman Conquest of 1066. 90% of the population north of Leeds dead. One third of the population south of Manchester dead, and in Kent and other places. The entire population put into slavery, politely called serfdom, but it wasn’t, it was slavery and didn’t fully end until Elizabeth I.
When did the Normans leave? They never did, they are still here. It was Cromwell who first really challenged the power of the Norman aristocracy, that and the industrial revolution.
Harry, we are still under the Norman yoke in Britain.
Regarding lost freedom and the British being blasé about it (Ben Above), I partially agree. However, with the Brits its more about muttering and mumbling and complaining about it until someone goes to far. Step over the line of what’s considered fair or reasonable and the British backlash can be quite aggressive.
One of the reasons Britain didn’t have the bloody revolution of, say, France was due to Cromwell being so much earlier in our history. We also did create (some) fairness and freedom very early in law. Those rights pre-date the Normans and came down to us via the pre-Norman Anglo-Saxon kings and customs, including the idea of Freemen. The right to trial by your peers was enshrined in law in Magana Carta in 1215, but its origin is earlier. The Habeas Corpus Act was put in law in 1679 – although the writ of Habeas Corpus is considered to have existed up to 500 yrs earlier and was guaranteed (again) by Magna Carta.
Of course the Habeas Corpus Act of 1679 is post-Cromwell – under a monarch again.
“Germans seem to intensify the the fight for freedom more eagerly than what we see in most other western countries.”
Clearly more than in France where the only protests are fake with Black Blocs instead of actual people.
Carl Friis-Hansen: That is the other side to not knowing when to stop – when they decide to do something they really make an effort and do their best to make it happen.
In Canada our dear leader recently and quietly increased the death and inheritance taxes. Never let a good Pandemic go to waste.
Wow what an awful video.
Was in Auckland a few years ago. The harbour tour guide mentioned the cantilevered additions to the harbour bridge. Made in Japan. Because New Zealand has no smore a steelproducing capacity worth mentioning. It will be interesting when the navy of imperialistic China will come knocking on the door intending to take over the country.
Ed
Why would you manufacture what you can buy overseas at a significantly lower cost.
A bit of gainful employment for the locals, perhaps?
Maybe cheaper than paying them the dole to do nothing productive?
An opportunity for Jacinda to get out in front of the cameras with her hi-viz safety jacket and construction hard-hat on?
(that last one is the main justification that politicians use these days approve public works)
In China?
At some point that single source will point a gun to your head, if it’s China that is a given.
That’s what we said here in the US before Covid, then realized a lot of the things we REALLY NEEDED were not made here anymore. There is a benefit to buying cheaper, but sometimes you need to buy smarter.
I think you mean “a significantly lower” PRICE. Cost has an entirely different meaning. Promote ‘one stop shopping’ at you peril. If they choose to stop stocking what you want or price it out of your range, you have no recourse.
Because, after you ship all your industry overseas, you suddenly discover that you no longer have anything to sell to pay for those imported items except your land and your people.
The only reason New Zealand has been able to ship its manufacturing to China and disarm its people is because those people expect Uncle Sam to protect them from a Chinese invasion. With the US losing its position of power in the world, there will soon be nothing to prevent Xi from moving in.
“MarkG December 2, 2020 at 5:30 pm
The only reason New Zealand has been able to ship its manufacturing to China and disarm its people is because those people expect Uncle Sam to protect them from a Chinese invasion.”
As long as the US does not arrive on nuclear powered vessels. Oh wait!
Nicknamed the “Nippon Clip-on”.
New Zealand has been hiding behind Australia for defence for decades.
When China comes for them they will be screaming about the ANZAC spirit and the long and close military bonds with Australia.
Before China comes it will be a continuation of isolation dipped in anti nuclear and anti US. Remember when NZ we first discussing entering into the ANZAC frigate programme – which eventually resulted in them purchasing two ships – there was serious political discussion about having their two ships speed limited to about 22kts in order that they would be physically unable to conduct fleet operations with the US navy.
New Zealand has wide and wet boarders, and hides behind their lack of responsibility while they claim ethical points. This is the nation that claims Australia should be more compassionate to illegal immigration from the safety of being a very long way away from the people smuggling ports.
We may no longer be in a position to help. Once upon a time we used to measure our defence capabilities by ensuring that essential industries like being able to produce high grade iron and steel for the production of arms and defence materials, parts manufacturing for planes and transport, refineries for the production of base stocks for fuel and plastics, etc.
Now sadly all of these are under cost pressure from cheap imports, imposts caused by industrial action and the traitors in our parliaments insisting that we replace our reliable power supply with unreliable renewables, inciting industrial action and of course banning the use of nuclear power.
We may also be approaching a time when we are unable to provide for our own defence. I see at that time the Greens and Labor will finally start accusing the Conservatives of doing nothing about this when they had a chance.
In the later part of the 20th century I recall reading about the eventual replacement of the old industrial age and the newer atomic age in the U.S. with the information age. But information alone can’t mine, smelt, and forge raw material into final product. At least a robot, if not a human is needed as an agent.
Craig from Oz .You Assies sure are thick .
Did the Japanese bomb Darwin in WW2 ?
What makes you think the Chinese would bypass Australia ?
As one of our Prime Ministers commented New Zealanders emigrating to OZ lifted the IQ of both countries .
Graham
Hugs Graham.
Good to hear from you again. Give my love to the movie industry.
Australia is well aware our neighbours are not always our friends. This is why Australia has a navy we can upgrade in our shipyards. (unlike NZ). This is why Australia has an Airforce that can power project and contest airspace (unlike NZ). This is why Australia is hardening the army. (unlike NZ).
The fact we have a wet border with occasionally ‘less polite’ neighbours is why Australia deals with people smugglers in a pragmatic face to face manner instead of making feel good statements about ‘compassion’, safe in the knowledge that any possible illegal coming from SE Asia is going to reach Australia first.
NZ is woke and organic and compassionate because, even though they will never confess it, they know Australia will protect them from the big nasty people no matter what NZ says because relative to the rest of the world, NZ is behind Australia.
One of the New Zealand Prime Ministers also stated the solution to NZ unemployment was getting them jobs in Sydney. Face it, if it wasn’t for the fact we still openly fear the All Blacks we would have annexed NZ years ago.
(also Aussie is spelt with a U. Which is a letter. Not a sheep.)
Hey Craig from Oz,
You dont seem to know your WW2 history. After Tobruk Oz faded from the the world stage.
McArthur didn’t trust you guys(probably for good reason.)
While we were a quarter you population from 1942 NZ absolute deaths in WW2 exceeded Australia.
Did you guys fight at Guadacanal with the yanks?
Did you guys have the biggest infantry division on the allied side in WW2… No !
We saved your butts big time, a gracious thank you would be appeciated.
As the saying goes, Nothing happened in WW2 without a Kiwi being involved! They dont say that baout the aussies.
Still national myths are a great force especially on the Aussie side when they arent true 🙂
You talking about “Piggy” Muldoon? He was a smart ass, I would not put him too high on a pedestal.
Ah yes, Piggy Muldoon’s famous snide comment. We know Kiwis are well-balanced people. They have chips on both shoulders, especially where Australia is concerned. Cheers to all Kiwis living in Australia. Mu condolences to those still there. It’s a shame – I still have good friends in NZ.
What did New Zealand export in 2019?
New Zealand’s Top Exports in 2019:
14.2% ($5.65 billion): 0402 – Milk and cream, concentrated or containing added sugar or other sweetening matter.
6.51% ($2.57 billion): 0204 – Meat of sheep or goats, fresh, chilled or frozen.
5.82% ($2.3 billion): 0405 – Butter and other fats and oils derived from milk; dairy spreads.
5.75% ($2.27 billion): 4403 – Wood in the rough, whether or not stripped of bark or sapwood, or roughly squared.
5.23% ($2.07 billion): 0202 – Meat of bovine animals, frozen.
3.88% ($1.53 billion): 0810 – Other fruit, fresh.
3.43% ($1.35 billion): 1901 – Malt extract; food preparations of flour, groats, meal, starch or malt extract, not containing cocoa or containing less than 40 % by weight of cocoa calculated on a totally defatted basis, not elsewhere specified or included; food preparations of goods of headings 04.01 to 04.04, not containing cocoa or containing less than 5 % by weight of cocoa calculated on a totally defatted basis, not elsewhere specified or included.
3.35% ($1.32 billion): 0406 – Cheese and curd.
3.11% ($1.22 billion): 2204 – Wine of fresh grapes, including fortified wines; grape must other than that of heading 20.09.
Except ag products NZ makes Nothing.
Next thing she will be ordering earthquakes to stop, caused no doubt by carbon dioxide emissions..
Good luck with that idea.
Doesn’t NZ export a lot of lamb?
How do they feed them?
How do they transport the meat around the world?
Who/what transports the all blacks rugby team??
NZ’s export of almost 6,000 cattle to a hungry Chinese population ended up a the bottom of the East China Sea on September 2nd. Insurance no doubt covered that financial loss though.
Joel,
Al the crew perished when the livestock ship sailed into a tropical storm and capsized but it seems that there was little sympathy for the crew and all media attention focused on the cattle .
This goes to show how the media and commentators are extremely biased when there is more sympathy shown for cattle than humans .
I personally know veterinarians who have sailed on these ships to China and they assured me that the cattle are well cared for .They are all incalf heifers that is rising 2year old and I have sold some surplus heifers for export in past years and they are only average genetic animals as the top cattle are retained for herd replacements .
Graham
I remember in California a number of years ago where a woman, with a husband and two kids, was out jogging and got killed by a cougar. They collected about $3,000 for the woman and $20,000 odd thousand for the cougar.
I remember that story. It was late ’90’s after a ballot issue in, where else, California banned cougar hunting.
She was jogging in a public park.
The $20,000 was for her cubs.
The surplus of cougars, aside from killing more people, also began to reduce the numbers of an endangered species. (I don’t remember which one.)
“pigs_in_space December 2, 2020 at 10:36 am”
A long time ago when I lived in Wellington, NZ, I was in a discussion with someone about earth quakes as there was a bit of a swarm over a few days. This person claimed that CO2 driven climate change CAUSED the swarm of quakes. I kid you not.
Let me know when they ban tourism, tourism advertising, tour boats, cruise ships, rental cars, fishing boats, and long distance airlines.
As far as tourism goes they already have, effectively. The border is still shut to anyone who isn’t a Kiwi or Aussie, or residence class visa holder.
Actually, Ardern’s response to Covid-19 has banned tourism, cruise ships and long-distance airlines. Oddly, before Covid, tourism (especially eco-tourism) was promoted as our main earner, and people were telling farmers to do eco-tours and get rid of their belchy farty cows. Now, magically, our main export earner has disappeared with no effect on the economy, and we must all bow down to Saint Jacinda for saving us. Yeah right. I shudder to think about the cumulative economic effects in the coming years as we dial down the economy even further chasing carbon zero.
It will be an orderly wind down with the best crumbs going to the unions.
Hell give them what they want.
Ban all exports,to NZ,of any carbon based products,materials made from oil and fossil fuelled production lines.
Stop the Oil Tankers supplying their transport needs.
And of course,since agriculture is the number one user of CO2 we cannot accept any imports of food from NZ,as all those products shamelessly(And very necessarily) consume CO2..
I surrender,give the virtue poseurs what they demand.
I am sure Jacinda will immediately stop using those refrigerated Ships and ban all sea going freight as the “Carbon Emissions” are too much to bear.
Forward.To the Glorious Future.
Now I wonder,did NZ’s last election use the wonders of computer sythesized voting?
Or did the cities of Auckland and Wellington just do their normal thing?
Is this the Wednesday emergency or the Thursday one?
There is nothing more fearful than ignorance in action.
Guterres triples down with the climate stupidity and madness:
“The state of the planet is broken,” Guterres said in a speech at Columbia University. “Humanity is waging war on nature. This is suicidal.”
We truly are doomed if we can’t stop the worldwide Climate Madness.
Yep, except it’s not stupidity and madness. It’s all calculated by them.
Here’s the latest from Seth Goebbelstein:
https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-climate-climate-change-paris-floods-d144cda34053abbd0758e22d9ff8f7c6
Wikipedia reports that in 2017 New Zealand accounted for 0.10% of the world’s CO2 emmisions. Just one tenth of one pecent.
The World or Human?
Humans produce at most 4% – So I take it you mean .1% of 4%
Exactly. 96% is natural. One wonders if the greentards know this.
There is an amusing irony here but I cant be bothered to be repeatedly pointing it out. Maybe Eric can chime in.
Loy-dumb doesn’t know the facts…. as always.
Greentards never do. ! Ironic, isn’t it. !!
That is dead right David Buffalo and a large proportion is from enteric methane emissions that is a cycle that does not add one additional atom or molecule of methane or CO2 to the atmosphere over any 10 year time span .
Also land under grazed pastures are carbon sinks as humus builds up rapidly .
One of our next largest emissions is plantation logging of predominantly Pinus Radiata trees.
This is also a cycle and is in fact a carbon sink as timber used for construction would in many cases last at least 100 years and we take at least 3 rotations off in that time as our trees are harvested every 28 to 30 years .
70% 0f the logging is exported as logs or sawn timber yet it is still counted as our emissions under the Paris Climate Treaty .
Nobody in the government wants to know and they don’t care as they just say those are the rules.
The whole climate treaty should be clinically looked at and all this nonsense should be exposed as it defies logic .
Then we come to fossil fuel extraction and use which is what the original global warming was about.
How many of you readers know how much coal was mined in 2008 ? 4.7 billion tonnes .
How much coal was mined in 2018 ? 8.2 billion tonnes.
How much C02 does 8.2 billion tonnes of coal release when combusted ? 22 billion tonnes .
Plus a large amount of methane and it is all NEW not recycled like enteric methane and plantation forestry .
Of course this Climate Emergency announcement s a futile gesture and really only virtue signalling but the government and the Green parties supporters live mainly in the cities and most of them have little idea how their food is grown and gets onto the supermarket shelves .
If the New Zealand’s emission profile was calculated scientifically instead of using a political formula that is unscientific to be polite New Zealands emission profile would be among the lowest in the world for developed countries .
As has been stated earlier on this blog a very big proportion of our electricity is from hydro and with very good control wind power can be used by turning hydro stations up and down as the wind blows and ebbs .
Graham
Must why they are cutting down all their trees.
Some 40 to 50m years ago I considered that New Zealanders were quite sensible and inventive. I remember them asking for a proposal on how to use some of the extremely low ash coal in the Buller field to produce Soderberg electrodes for aluminium production. We didn’t get the job. I have now heard that there are a lot of sheep in New Zealand. With that sort of population I am not surprised at the new climate policy which when conflated with Covid-19 will have a tremendous effect for many. What a noble approach and by a PM who should she ever lose her job could immediately find one advertising toothpaste.
Either that or as a horse. I will leave it up to you to decide which end of the horse she could be employed as. Either one has something to commend it.
I worked with several New Zealanders when I lived in the UK. I get the impression that, like the UK, it’s a country whose most valuable export is smart kids, many of whom leave as soon as they can.
It is usually just the big OE and they return home but some do stay longer but that isn’t as easy as it once was.
love it Peter.
Yes makes me sad as a kiwi that we have such scientifically illiterate politicians who all seemed to have have drunk the kool-aid.
A smokescreen to ignore the newly re-elected governments failure to address:
– a housing crises with New Zealand having some of the highest prices for houses in the world (in relation to income). This flows on into rents.
– a child poverty crises with about 1/3rd of children not having access to things like shoes and vegetables;
– an education crises with a large % of children leaving school unable to read enough to understand a dole form and too innumerate to be able to budget;
– an environmental crises with feral animals such as possums and stoats plundering the NZ bush and Kauri die back disease destroying the iconic trees.
I could go on and on but you get the picture.
NZ-zuela !
A socialist states end point.. ALWAYS.
Capitalism strives to achieve.
Socialism strives NOT to.
Better: capitalism encourages equal opportunities (but you have to be astute and work your socks off); socialism strives for equal outcomes, thereby levelling at the bottom of the ladder.
“john rattray December 2, 2020 at 10:59 am
– a child poverty crises with about 1/3rd of children not having access to things like shoes and vegetables;”
Not only poverty but abuse. Remember Lillybing tortured by her careers and mother (Cigarette burns)? And Coral who was killed by her stepfather who had 88 previous convictions for physical abuse (She would be 26 or 27 now)?
The steady March to Totalitarianism across Western democracies continue.
More conditioning a free people to gradually accept more and more control of their personal lives and loss of liberty in the name of “safety.” At least for a viral epidemic, people can see an end to these declarations. But with a scam “climate emergency”, when would that end? 2050? 2100? Probably never. Relinquishing the political power it gives these pretty faced despots will only when they find themselves kneeling at the guillotine. And the Kiwis have just given up their one means to affect that.
Dementia Joe is going to come under these same pressures here in the US from his radical Leftists to impose a similar “Climate Emergency” declaration once he takes office. And if he doesn’t do it, then Kammie the Commie will when she does the #25A coup on her senile boss.
““There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”
– 1984 by George Orwell.
Yes, invariably, inevitably, progress (i.e. unqualified monotonic change): one step forward, two steps backward. That said, it appears that leftists are attempting to impeach Trump, again… and again, and again, but the threats of retributive change are not limited to him. I wonder if they will accept protection payments a la Bezos and wife to the Green and diversity (e.g. Some, Select Black Lives Matter) rackets, respectively.
Are there any leaders around the world you actually do admire? You seem to lump them all into the same basket.
yes. Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota.
A few other Republican governors deserve an honorable mention, DeSantis of FL, Abbott of TX. I think VP Mike Pence would be a great US President. President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil also deserves a mention.
I don’t admire Trump at all, his egotistical ways are off-putting. But I’m a strong supporter of Trump only because the Democrats today only offer a path to socialism and despair. Trump is the only Republican so far on the national stage willing to go toe-to-toe and call the lackey media out for their alignment with that socialism and their War on the American middle class.
Joel O’Bryan
“yes. Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota.”
That will be the same Kristi Noem whose state has the second highest cases of Covid per capita in the US. Yeah she’s a peach alright. Really cares for the well being of her people.
Coming from you who was shocked by a travel ban. You are a moron.
I wonder which state will acquire CoVid Herd Immunity first??
DDR lasted 40 years and ended in 1989 because the people there had suffered enough.
If we, the common people, do not wake up (denounce woke) and actively resist, then we may also suffer 40 years of what George Orwell so eloquently describes above.
Joe tripped up on the steady march, with fractures.
The dog is not a suspect as he voted Dem.
The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one.
I was thinking more along the lines of “relevance deprivation syndrome”
She is claiming that the GOVERNMENT will be carbon neutral by 2025. People please learn to read and comprehend.
Yet more piss and wind from old horse face. She will have to close the Beehive.
Thanks, I was scrolling down to see if anyone else caught that–and the fact that a carbon neutral government probably means nothing more than some new lighting in the government buildings, electric cars for the employee travel, and purchase of carbon credits. It is really just a nothing dressed up as an important “emergency” press release.
Indeed, I have noticed that this government’s most frequently used technique is ‘announcement’, following by moving on to other announcements.
What she is admnitting but not directly saying is that this Government intends, in addition to direct action, to use taxpayer money to purchase “offsets” to achieve “carbon” neutrality.
Apparently that is a more urgent priority for this Government than health, education, housing, poverty, and even just maintaining public assets, all of which are seriously, very seriously, in need of attention and increased funding (or vastly more efficient application of existing funds).
Yes I noted that too. In Wellington, if you don’t work for Govn’t, you don’t work.
Until Jacinta orders the culling of New Zealand’s entire herd of cows , sheep and pigs ( especially the cows) she is not being fair dinkum about this zero carbon commitment.
And Planned Population, including Planned Parenthood (i.e. selective-child, cannibalized-child), to reduce “burdens”, sequester excess carbon-based lives, normalize social progress and justice, and securea taxable feminine female commodity.
Zigmaster .
Read read what I have written earlier.
Farmed livestock do not produce one additional atom or molecule containing carbon .
All fodder consumed by livestock has absorbed CO2 and the small amount of methane emitted breaks down in the upper atmosphere into CO2 and water vapour in 8 to 12 years .
The process is a cycle and a cycle cannot increase the amount of CO2 or CH4 in the atmosphere.
Never in a thousand years .
The only way that mankind can increase the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is by extracting coal oil and gas and limestone for cement manufacture .
Every thing else is a cycle and should never have been included in any climate treaty .
The culling that needs to be done is the bull s#it that activists introduced at the Kyoto climate meeting and the stupid political driven IPCC adopted without any scientific scrutiny .
I welcome any one that can try and put up arguments to the contrary .
Graham
Graham,
And where did the carbon in coal, oil and limestone come from? Those are also cycles, but their timescales are geological. In that context, atmospheric [CO2] has been constantly falling as atmospheric carbon (in the form of CO2) is captured by trees and critters and sequestered geologically when they die and are buried.
So true, Erny72. Early in the 20th century the planet had sequestered so much of the free, life giving CO2, it had become dangerously low. Fortunately it began to increase to a viable concentration for plants to thrive well.
Erny72.
I have no argument with what you have written but politicians have to understand 8 to 10 year cycles and then comprehend 30 year cycles before we try educating them on what happened millions of years ago .
It is an uphill battle as science has been abandoned and ideology has taken over .
There is NO climate emergency .
Mankind has no control over the climate and some time in the future historians will ponder how did these stupid ideas ever come to be passed into law in parliaments around the globe.
Graham
Otter: I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.