The West Intends Energy Suicide: Will It Succeed?

Originally posted at Forbes

By Tilak Doshi

Suicide is viewed as a crime in many countries. In a court of law, it is a serious charge and the evidence needs to be conclusive for such an accusation to stand (e.g., did you actually see him attempt to jump off the bridge?). But when societies (or at least their leaders) attempt it, one can say that it safely falls under the rubric of the sovereign right to misrule oneself. In the hallowed tradition of Western liberal democracy, so long as its political leaders are elected in free and fair elections, misrule leading to societal death by suicide is merely an unfortunate outcome of either gross negligence or culpable intention led by, say, a death-cult ideology. Nevertheless, let us proceed with the case for the prosecution.

The Circumstantial Evidence Of Societal Suicide

The first piece of evidence is an astonishing article published last week in the Boston Review by a professor of anthropology in Rutgers University . The good professor opined that Zimbabwe and Puerto Rico “provide models for what we might call ‘pause-full’ electricity”. The West, he continues, has created a vast infrastructure for generating and consuming electricity 24/7, 365 days a year. Since this is based on “planet-destroying fossil fuels and nuclear power”, we need to emulate the aforementioned poor countries and save the climate by giving up the demand for the constant supply of electricity.

To be fair, the professor also noted that the Zimbabweans and Puerto Ricans did not choose to accept electricity rationing but were imposed upon by the gross negligence and corruption of their governments. The professor cannot be lightly dismissed, and the Boston Review shares its domicile with MIT and Harvard University, the temples of wisdom in modern western civilization. And the Review has its share of kudos, at least for those of a particular persuasion: “When it comes to publishing fresh and generative ideas, Boston Review has no peer” says Robin D. G. Kelley, Professor of American History at the University of California, Los Angeles and Naomi Klein, activist and New York Times best-selling author, opines that “Boston Review is so good right now.”

Let us move on to our second piece of evidence, this time from the other side of the “climate emergency” aisle.  Professor Fritz Vahrenholt is a giant among environmental circles in Germany. (The country, as is well known, is the world’s leading national champion for all things environmental and for pushing Europe for “net zero emissions by 2050”.) Prof. Vahrenholt holds a doctorate in chemistry and started his professional career at the Federal Environmental Agency in Berlin (responsible for the chemical industry) before joining the Hessian Ministry of the Environment. From 1984 until 1990 he served as state secretary for environment, from 1991 till 1997 as minister for energy and environment in the state of Hamburg.

One day before the publication of the Boston Review article on October 5th, Prof Vahrenholt stated baldly in a German TV interview that climate science was “politicized”, “exaggerated”, and filled with “fantasy” and “fairy tales”. He pronounced that  “The [Paris] Accord is already dead. Putin says it’s nonsense. […] The Americans are out. The Chinese don’t have to do anything. It’s all concentrated on a handful of European countries. The European Commission in massively on it. And I predict that they will reach the targets only if they destroy the European industries.” He lambasted Germany as a country “in denial when it comes to the broader global debate taking place on climate science”. He went on to characterize Europe’s recent push for even stricter emissions reduction targets to madness akin to Soviet central planning that is doomed to fail spectacularly.

The Substantive Evidence

At this stage, the lawyer for the defence against the charge of societal suicide might well jump up before the presiding judge, saying “Enough, Your Honour, this is merely circumstantial evidence! Show this court the proof!” After all, the jury might well agree with the suggestion that despite the weighty credentials of the two professors, these are still mere individuals who in the nature of things might be prone to exaggeration or hyperbole. Where is the evidence that society is jumping off the proverbial bridge?

At this turn in court proceedings, the prosecution, possibly with a quiet confidence in its case of societal suicide, might say “let us now go beyond the circumstantial, and into the realm of substantial evidence, Your Honour… Let me now turn to the example of Germany itself”.  In an analysis of 126 countries using purchasing power-adjusted data, Germany ranks 16th in the international ranking (the highest in Europe) in household electricity prices. Most of the countries with even higher prices are crisis-ridden developing countries such as such as Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Burkina Faso where some people cannot afford electricity at all or in isolated island countries such as Vanuatu, the Cook Islands, and Tonga. According to data for March 2020, the electricity price for households in Germany was $0.38 per kilowatt-hour (kWh), compared to $0.15 for US households, $0.17 for Sweden, $0.21 for France and $0.26 in the UK. 

Germany has felled thousands of acres of its ancient Teutonic forests and threatens its endangered species of birds and bats in its sacrifice at the altar of the Green God by consecrating thousands of windmill crucifixes with arms made of petroleum-based glass-fiber-reinforced epoxy or polyester resins and made in furnaces fuelled by natural gas, its motors need rare earths such as dysprosium, neodymium and praseodymium which are extracted using fossil fuels. Windmills are constructed on thousands of tons of reinforced concrete towers with cement and steel manufactured in intensive fossil fuel-powered factories. Most disturbingly, the leading German newsmagazine Der Spiegel found that in 2014, 17% of all German households live in poverty due to an “energy cost explosion”. Since then, in the Green-propelled rush to shut down its nuclear reactors, natural gas-fuelled power and coal power plants, average electricity prices for a three-person household have risen by almost 68%  over the last 15 years.

Let’s turn to another leading example of societal suicide. This is California – sometimes referred to in a decidedly non-humorous fashion by over-taxed and beleaguered small businesses as the People’s Republic of California — run exclusively by the Democratic party for decades. According to engineer Ronald Stein, “California’s green crusade direction and actions are increasing the costs of electricity and fuels which guarantees growth of the homeless, poverty, and welfare populations, and further fuels (no pun intended) the housing affordability crisis.”

California, the world’s fifth largest economy, now imports most of its crude oil from overseas (since the extraction of its ample local oil resources are practically banned) and it imports nearly a third of its electricity from neighbouring states (since nuclear and natural gas-fuelled power plants are progressively shutdown by legislation). Between 2011 and 2017, California’s electricity prices rose five times faster than they did nationally and now Californians pay 60 percent more, on average, than the rest of the nation, for residential, commercial and industrial electricity.  With rolling power blackouts, it has accorded itself a third world status. Indeed it seems the state has anticipated the advice proffered by the notable Rutgers University professor of anthropology.

In a remarkable moment of candour, Governor Gavin Newsom said in mid-August that the state’s transition away from fossil fuels is a contributing factor to the state’s rolling blackouts. The elimination of fossil fuel products and the shift to solar power, windmills and other forms of green energy has led to what Newsom called “gaps” in the energy grid’s reliability. To top it off, the Governor signed an executive order on September 23 banning the sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles within 15 years to cut down on air pollution and reach the state’s goals for reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) delivered  this common sense verdict to the Green Governor: “California’s record of rolling blackouts – unprecedented in size and scope – coupled with recent requests to neighboring states for power begs the question of how you expect to run an electric car fleet that will come with significant increases in electricity demand, when you can’t even keep the lights on today.”

But It Is To Save The Planet!

At this juncture the lawyer for the defence would appeal to the ultimate moral arbiter of all debate related to energy policy: “We need to save the planet!”. This, the defence will conclude, is all there is to say about this overly-long court battle. “We are not committing suicide, Your Honour, but indeed we are doing our level best to avoid this headlong rush to precisely the suicide that the prosecutor so drastically misconstrues”. And with a flourish, the intrepid defence rests its case with the unveiling of the Hockey Stick Chart of Impending Global Catastrophe for maximum effect on the jury.  

But the prosecution has one more arrow in its quiver. The prosecutor consults the work of Nobel Laureate William Nordhaus — whose pioneering work on the economics of climate change won him the award –and states that the best current research shows that the cost of climate change by the end of the century, if we do nothing, will be less than 4% of global GDP. This means, as the New York Times best-selling “environmental sceptic” author Bjorn Lomborg puts it, “that instead of seeing incomes rise to 450% by 2100, they might “only” increase to 434%. But “how can we trust this assertion?” a juror or the judge himself might ask. “Well, as much as the Hockey Stick chart can be trusted” comes the inevitable reply. How does one trust a predictive long-run global temperature chart which has miraculously voided the well-documented historical Roman and Medieval Warming periods with temperatures as high (or higher) as they are currently?

Ultimate Resolution: The People Will Act

At this stage, an on-looker of this courtroom drama might well raise his hands in exasperation and say that a hung jury is inevitable. But while this might be the case in our theoretical court of law, there is bound to be a resolution in real life. There is nothing theoretical about the unstoppable force of climate alarmism meeting the immoveable object of people’s attachment to their accustomed material standards of living. And such resolutions are occurring in real time, in different parts of the world, and may well be the leading indicators as to whether societal suicide is in prospect for Europe and perhaps for a post-Trump USA.

Perhaps one of the more striking examples of resolution took place in Australia’s 2019 national elections where the centre-right Liberal-led coalition Prime Minister Scott Morrison retained power despite all the opinion polls predicting an easy Labour victory. The opposition Labour party’s election strategy to make climate alarmism and anti-coal legislation the key issue badly backfired in what was widely dubbed a “climate election”. One Australian commentator remarked:   “How to lose the unlosable election: be anti-coal”. The US election upset of 2016 exhibits some parallels as well.  Failed presidential-hopeful Hillary Clinton claimed that her biggest regret was in doubling down on ex-President Obama’s ‘war on coal’ and stating in her campaign trail that “we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”. 

The jury is in: modern economic growth has not shown a single instance of a country successfully developing without the concomitant use of fossil fuels, and ordinary people across the world are fully aware of this.

99 thoughts on “The West Intends Energy Suicide: Will It Succeed?

  1. But are we viable? I think we are, and there is a growing consensus, baby. That said, Biden et al’s choice seems to be self-abortion through election, not circumstance. It’s a quasi-religious (“ethical”) thing. Wicked.

      • The only reason to wear a mask is to protect others from your “droplets” as you breath but particularly when you sneeze or COUGH.

          • The president doesn’t have the authority to order civilians to wear masks.
            Not that a lack of authority has ever stopped a liberal.

          • Obey! [fist in air!] (a’la 1984)
            Actually, along with preventing spitting and coughing, although some say a sneeze with a face shield is actually more dangerous) it does raise social consciousness which ‘may’ lead to some forms of social behavior.

          • I’m not debating the value of masks for Covid.
            But Biden and the Dems are.
            (Video of Pelosi getting her hair dyed without a mask. Feinstein saying everyone in an airport should be required to wear a mask yet she wasn’t wearing one in an airport after she got off her husband’s private jet, etc. etc.)

  2. 20 years ago the average citizen of Venezuela could not imagine in their wildest dream their country, rich with oil wealth, could be reduced to poverty, despair, and eating their pets to survive in the span of a generation. Yet it happened. Why?
    Because they elected an authoritarian who had no intention of letting a constitution or voting by the People get in the way of his desire to rule. That authoritarian used the saved up wealth of the nation to keep buying his way to power until the country was destroyed.

    Anyone who thinks that can’t happen in the USA with the current state of the Democratic Party and it leaders desire for total political power is foolishly naive.

    • Yep. Andrew McCarthy points to evidence that Hilary colluded with Russians in an attempt to steal the election from Trump in 2016. link Naturally, the news is all over the mainstream media … Not!

      President Trump must win re-election or we are in deep doggie doo.

      • Exactly right. If you hate Trump, pinch your nose closed and vote for him anyway. Biden is a frail, sick old man, and he’s corrupt as hell, proven by including his corrupt son on his diplomatic flights to China. If Biden dies or becomes incapacitated in office, Kamala Harris could become the President of U.S. and she’s a total amoral, unprincipled carpetbagger, willing to sell out to anyone who will pay her, and the Greenies will pay. If the US wants to avoid the problems Venezuela has with Socialism, then it should STOP VOTING FOR SOCIALISTS. NO ONE should vote for Biden-Harris.

    • If we are going to critique America then let’s go big. From the local level to the national level our government is full of professional politicians. Since when did being a politician become a career? Most of these professional politicians have no grasp of reality, they live in a confirmation bubble where their ideas are applauded and exclaimed over whether they will work in real life or not.

      I like to contrast Harry Truman with AOC. Truman tried investing or running several businesses before entering politics. He knew full well what it meant to work at obtaining capital to invest, in meeting payroll, and in having to close the business down due to failure. He worked in oil, real estate, and haberdashery. Contrast this with AOC – a bartender who apparently learned nothing in business school, who believes higher taxes on all can generate a socialist utopia where no one need suffer the indignity of income inequality.

      I then look at Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Neither knows how anything actually works. I sincerely doubt either of them could change a tire, a cabin filter in a car, or put a new AC plug on a toaster. Putting auto mechanics, coal miners, or oil riggers out of work is a totally abstract idea to them with no actual meaning. They have no idea of what goes into constructing a building, be it a wood frame house or a steel and concrete office building. It’s all just words on a piece of paper to the professional politician.

      Until we can get back to where this country started, where politicians came from running farms and businesses to serve limited terms (47 years in the Senate? and who knows how many more in government?), we will continue to see the professional politicians run this country into the ground.

      Can you think of *any* professional politician today with the breadth of knowledge and the scope of vision that could write the Dec. of Independence? I can’t. There a a few non-professionals who have served in government that could (e.g. Dr. Bill Bennet), but they are few and far between.

      What a shame.

      • Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are two that have the brainpower similar to those who wrote the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence. There isn’t a single Democrat in the Senate or House who could survive a debate with Ted Cruz.

          • As there is in the UK where the teaching sector is run by the left so they will hear all the right on guff to make them think socialism is viable and so will vote for the left. Many a now right wing commentator will admit to dabbling with Marxism or socialism in their youth but then they grew up, got a job, got taxed to the hilt and realised the truth that other people’s money has limits.

      • There are many very smart and crafty “professional” politicians.
        But how many of them today believe that the only legitimate purpose of Government is to preserve the rights of the individual?

        PS There is no “right” to not be offended by what someone else says or does.

      • This is also the case with British politicians, especially Labour ones. Almost none of them have any real world experience or skills.

    • The path was set upon with nationalization of the oil industry by Perez in 1976. When Chavez fired most of PDVSA workers in 2002, there was no going back. Many of the brightest in the field left for the U.S. and their jobs were filled by family and friends of Chavez.

      I had the fortune to spend some time around Caracas before the shit hit the fan. I especially enjoyed arepas and Polar beer and their seafood was awesome.

    • Venezuela, where my wife’s Aunt Margarita was robbed at knife point of a bag of garbage she was taking to the dumpster.

  3. In a Harris administration, (Biden can’t last 2 months on the job) the suicide attempt will be real. The only obstacle to completing the act is fair elections. I don’t like our chances.

    • If a POTUS Biden happens, I expect he gets to go through the pomp & ceremony of the 4th of July. Thus, lots of photos and video to watch in the “home” provided for him by the Pelosi 25th Amendment commission; after removing him from office.

  4. Salute!

    I wonder if the gov’ment in California will allow me to use my 100 year-old steamer and wood chips from all the new forest managment practices?

    Of course, water could be a problem due to the bait fish supply from the snowpack, but unless they give up all the bottled water I can get at 7-Eleven for about the same price as gasoline is now, then no problema. Jez wondering.

    Gums sends…

  5. The climate alarmists would endorse taking cyanide now to avoid a potentially horrible death from cancer in 20-30 years. It is a sad fact that there have already been several actual suicides and at least one case of parents attempting to murder their child in Argentina over media-stoked unwarranted climate fears.

    • My niece’s best friend has been so indoctrinated(she spent a couple years of high school trying to get an anti-global warming club off the ground. Her history and science classes totally indoctrinated her with anti-global warming static she can’t think straight. My niece, a little more astute, thinks her friend might be seriously considering suicide because all she reads, finds out, or thinks about is false information about the climate. Joe Bastardi’s comments would probably give her a heart attack at age 18!

      • Been dealing with a group of younger people who are convinced, absolutely and totally, that the world is ending and nothing can be done to stop it. Their depression and fatalism is very deep rooted, the oldest is 26, youngest is 17. We have been giving them actual history books and gotten through, marginally, to some of them. Showing this whole “world is ending” crap is not new and is in fact just plain wrong. Having them out of schools has helped. Have also been directing them to “alternative” sources on yuotube and other platforms, as long as they last, such as Tony Heller, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell etc etc. The damage done to the last 3 or so generations is f**king child abuse.

  6. The irony is that all this fuss about CO2 is a humungous mistake.
    The only greenhouse gas that has a significant effect on climate is water vapor. Global WV trend has been increasing 1.5% per decade which is faster than possible from temperature increase (feedback). https://tinyurl.com/yxehr2pj is a comparison of measured WV increase and what it would be if from temperature increase alone. That the increased warming is mostly from reduction of nighttime cooling corroborates increased WV as a contributor of warming.

    The WV increase is nearly all (about 96%) from increasing irrigation. https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com WV increase accounts for all of the temperature increase attributable to humanity. Carbon dioxide, in spite of being a ghg, has no significant net effect on climate.

    • Naw Dan, its probably not humidity from irrigation….. more water vapor just makes more clouds, which cool the surface and less water evaporates elsewhere. CO2 increase is the best explanation anyone has come up with so far, assuming constant solar input, but the variation in predicted temperature increase per CO2 doubling can only be described as an embarrassment to anyone who would call climatology a “science” after billions of public dollars spent….
      But clouds forming as a result of irrigation, and being present at night, would explain increased nightime temperature readings that would not be taken into account by Urban Heat Island adjustments to the thermometric record. Don’t know if anyone has recorded such an effect….

      • Just to add a small point to the discussion, namely that evaporation is not the only driver of water vapour increase; trees via the evapotranspiration process contribute also to the water vapour in the air. Case in point an article appeared here at WUWT to the effect that trees in the Amazon rainforest create their own rainfall as observed by a scientific study. The water vapour in the atmosphere is part of the water cycle and is therefore transient and variable as the vapour eventually falls as precipitation. While I stand to be corrected on this, evaporation is only a major factor on large bodies of water, so the increase in irrigation you mention would need to be increased construction of dams which would, I presume, provide a permanent increase in water vapour as opposed to a transient spike. Regarding Carbon Dioxide, increased precipitation would presumably reduce Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere as some of it would be taken up by the precipitation and brought down into the soil, as witness our acid rain phenomenon.

        • The difference in vapor pressure of water between the surface in question and the partial pressure in air is what drives evaporation whether from leaves or ocean surface. It is too bad we are off thread on this “energy suicide” topic, as it is a very interesting topic that could be expanded on, but won’t get much “threadership”…..

        • Yes the water vapor in the air is only transiently there – but it is continuously transiently there being replaced all the time – like the blades of a propeller are only transiently there – if you walk through you will either get wet or severely injured.

          • Quite so, however due to it’s being a cycle, excessive water vapour translates to excessive precipitation, and if the excessive water vapour is a transient spike, the system reverts to normal levels once the spike has passed. Only if the excessive water vapour becomes the “new normal” will there be consistently high levels of water vapour in the atmosphere. As always, I stand to be corrected, and I appreciate the input.

          • Tony,
            It appears that you are not hooking up. WV has been measured worldwide by satellite by NASA/RSS since Jan 1988. They report the anomalies. I graphed them (offset by the base value but the slope would be the same) and did a regression which shows that WV trend has been increasing 1.5% per decade. The tinyurl link above shows thru Aug. The Sept value shows that it is still increasing.

      • DMac,
        You say “its probably not humidity from irrigation”. You have been falsely indoctrinated. I did an analysis (double checked) to find out where the added WV is coming from and discovered that the ADDITIONAL WV is nearly all (about 96%) from irrigation. The analysis, including hot links to data sources, is in the blog/analysis at https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com

        Water vapor is measured and reported monthly by NASA/RSS as TPW. It has an increasing trend of about 1.5% per decade. Water vapor is IR active so more of it in the atmosphere contributes to warming. Of course plants, oceans, etc. produce water vapor but they have always been there and provided the base WV that has made the planet warm enough for life as we know it to have evolved. It is the ongoing INCREASE in WV that is contributing to the ongoing increase in average global temperature.

        Clouds only cool the surface that is shaded by the clouds. The temperature increase from added WV is everywhere, night and day. Evaporation cooling is exactly compensated by condensation heating for no net effect on planet temperature.

        Climate Scientists guessed, yes guessed, that CO2 was causing warming because it’s a ghg. They guessed wrong. They came up with a truly bizarre explanation for the observation that temperature change happened before CO2 change during the last glaciation. Their explanation completely falls apart with the observation that temperature changes first when going from an uptrend to a downtrend.

        Thermalization and the WV population gradient averaging 1200 to 1 from ground to the tropopause accounts for why, at ground level, for as long as both have been accurately measured worldwide, the last 30 years, about 7 WV molecules have been added to the atmosphere for each CO2 molecule. As calculated in my analysis, increased WV has been about 10 times more effective at ground level warming than increased CO2.

  7. I have no intention of committing energy suicide, hence, I am voting for America, not any America hating Democrat Party scumbags. Ever. The political left is the enemy of the entire Human Race.

    • The left in the twenty century murdered at least 200,000,000 people. I expect today left will probably out due then by at least 5 time. Yes the carnage will be in billion this time. I only hope the US is not in that storm, but today Dimms make that thought a long shot.

  8. [M]isrule leading to societal death by suicide is merely an unfortunate outcome of either gross negligence or culpable intention led by, say, a death-cult ideology.

    The death-cult ideology is not limited to energy policy, unfortunately. All other policy sectors are infected by this cult, as are our cultural and ethical foundations — the abstract structures which underpin our civilization.

    Western liberal democracy is not the problem but merely the battlefield. The quest for money and power is frequently blamed, but that misses the real root cause of our current societal suicide. The death-cult is apocalyptic in ideals and practice. They seek total destruction of civilization. The “cures” they offer to alleged ills are worse than than any disease. Like their favorite four horsemen, they desire conquest, the violence of warfare, famine, and widespread death.

    Most of us underestimate or misunderstand the aims of the death-cult ideology. They are extremely malevolent, though they hide behind sanctimonious false concern.

    • Mike,
      Don’t forget that the death-cult ideology (Progressivism) has been greatly helped in earlier times by the Soviet Union, and lately by the Chinese Communist Party! The ChiComs are hoping that their investment in the American Left will allow them to win global hegemony without having to fight a single battle! Fortunely, they are true paragons of nobility; allowing no slavery, subjugation or pollution within their national borders! Not! The ChiComs have even endorsed Biden for president; I’m sure it’s just because of his mean Tweets and has nothing to do with him calling them out for their unfair and illegal trade practices!
      This election is a choice between the suicide described in the post, and a possible rebirth of liberty and prosperity like we haven’t seen in several generations! If it is not another electoral college landslide, it will be evidence that the American public is the most brainwashed and propagandized since Nazi Germany! Or maybe Stalinist Russia, or Maoist China!

    • 60 years ago, government declared war on poverty. After spending 10’s of trillions of dollars over that time period, it’s time to surrender. Poverty has won.

  9. The answer is a Convention of States to get the USA back to its’ roots. No more career politicians is high on the list of the COS agenda. Think of everything about the US governing method that has morphed into an elitist cesspool of self aggrandizement and cronyism at the people’s expense and we can get rid of it. Legislative pork, lack of term limits, district courts running the country, administration appointments to positions that should be voted on, excessive power to non elected officials, and on and on. We’re getting closer to a COS and it can’t be too soon that it happens.

    • A Constitutional Convention for a variety of things is often proposed. The problem for most is the Convention once convened could decide for itself what its scope is, beyond the original “thing” it was convened for. The Limiting Scope problem is one that has never been solved because there’s never been a Constitutional Convention to test it.
      Some “things” a CC has been proposed to be convened for:
      – The latest is a constitutional convention convened to set the Supreme Court to 1 Chief Justice and 8 Associate Justices (9 total).
      – Congress is scared of Constitutional Convention because it would quite likely produce an amendment for terms limit to Congress for Representative and Senators.
      – Calls for a balanced budget amendment were frequently heard about 10 years ago.

      • The Constitution has in it the Amendment process to address those issues.
        But a “Constitutional Convention” could scrap the entire Constitution itself.
        It could set up a monarchy with King Soros or Biden or Trump or, even Queen AOC or Pelosi.
        It could even return the US to British rule.
        We don’t want to go there.

        • It takes 2/3 to call a convention (34 of 50). But it couldn’t on its own change the constitution. 3/4th of the state legislatures (38 of 50) would have to then approve any amendments before they are ratified (go into effect).

          • Thanks for the prompt to re-read that section.
            I thought (one path) only required of 3/4 of the states’ reps at a Constitutional Convention.
            I’m still not sure that couldn’t be argued but I’m a bit relieved it looks like I was wrong about what it would take. But, either way, the outcome could be what I said.
            Such a thing is what replaced The Articles of Confederation with The Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
            If “Mob Rule” prevails, Bye-Bye Freedom to disagree.

  10. Simple solution to this in the U.S. Bundle up all those that believe they must reduce their carbon footprint and ship them to Zimbabwe. Let them try to live there for a few years until they realize that affordable relivable energy is a god-send and not something evil.

    They of course will refuse to go because they are not entirely stupid, just very hypocritical. They would be lost without their iPhones, tablets, laptops, and streaming services. Most of them would be unable to survive because they have no idea how to perform basic life-giving tasks like growing food or hunting.

    Don’t ship them to Puerto Rico… That poor island has enough trouble without more liberals in it.

  11. Suicidal conduct begins when you glorify academia/intelligencia and its Kardashian like publication system. Its heroes. Its stars. Who get to comment on everything and anything (like the Hollywood stars).

    It’s only a consequence (almost direct) of intelligencia worshiping.

  12. Wow! Some nutty Governor can issue an order to ban new gasoline cars? Uh, let’s assume he will not be Governor 15 years from now and another Governor rescinds his order? Uh, let’s assume the Cally legislature says no – we pass a law banning your ban? Uh, let’s assume that a lawsuit results in the stupid order being declared un- Constitutional? But, hey, it’s Callyfornia. China and India have over 100 times Cally’s population and dwarf anything Cally can do to reduce CO2.

    • “anything Cally can do to reduce CO2.”

      All Califoolia does is transfer their CO2 emissions out of state.

      ….. not much real reduction at all.

      But so long as they FEEL good about it.. that’s what matters. 😉

  13. This phrase is disturbing: “We need to save the planet!”. But there is no clue as to what we’re supposed to eliminate to “save the planet’. As George Carlin once said, the planet is fine. WE are what’s effed-up. The planet can get along just fine without us.

    I’m getting the impression that this scramble to “save the planet” smacks rather heavily of some kind of incipient death cult, and I want no part of it. I will happily get out of the way of those who follow that path as if they were seals spooked by polar bears into waddling off the edges of cliffs.

    Seriously, if ever there were a Doomsday Drek Cult, it seems to finally be willing to show itself now, but I cannot get my head around why anyone can be that dismal. I just can’t.

  14. Repeating, for the nth time:

    This election is ALL about freedom!

    CHINA TIES TO US RIOTS EXPOSED BY TREVOR LOUDON
    By Joshua Philipp October 6, 2020
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-ties-to-us-riots-exposed-by-trevor-loudon_3528988.html
    Watch the excellent video interview with Trevor Loudon, confirming my past statements:

    It’s ALL a leftist scam – the enviro BS including the climate and green-energy fraud, the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19, paid-and-planned protests by Antifa and BLM – it’s all lies.

    We published that the climate-and-green-energy rant was a false narrative in 2002, and by 2009 I wrote that there was a covert agenda, Now the radical greens are admitting that climate-and-energy was false propaganda, a smokescreen for their totalitarian objectives.

    The radical green objective is to destroy prosperity and move the USA into a planned economy – with a few rich at the top looking down on the many poor peasants. That model now describes most of the countries in the world. Europe and Canada are far down that poverty path, and the USA will follow if Biden and the Marxists-Democrats are elected.

    If America falls to the Marxist-Democrats, it is over! It will be one man, one vote, once! The end of freedom! If America falls, there will be nowhere left to run to.

  15. “Suicide is viewed as a crime in many countries. In a court of law, it is a serious charge and the evidence needs to be conclusive for such an accusation to stand …”

    I’ll say it’s serious. Very serious. In fact, it should carry the death penalty.

    Uh, wait…

    Um….

    • It’s only a crime in deeply religious countries. Australia for example decriminalized it in 2005 without any real opposition, however assisting or encouraging suicide is still against the law. It reflects the rise in Australia of people with “no religion” to 30 per cent in 2016 census.

  16. “planet-destroying fossil fuels and nuclear power”

    Huh? How is nuclear power “planet destroying”? Give one iota of evidence – nay, give one epsilon, as evidence approaches zero, of evidence.

    Nuclear fission has the least environmental impact, and the best safety record, of any source of energy devised by humanity. That sentence by itself disqualifies the source from being taken seriously in any way whatsoever.

    • Already are. 10pm curfew. No more than 6 people in any one gathering. Special “wardens” in shopping centres making sure people are “safe”.

  17. Some very insightful comments here, but let’s not dismiss all problems lightly; Just because global warming claims appear to be scaremongering does not mean that there are not real issues, issues that go unnoticed because of the furore surrounding global warming amongst others. Has anyone noticed the incidents where Chinese ships are going into other nations’ waters without permission and fishing there indiscriminately? Several nations have already had to fire on ships and seize some. China is in trouble due to plagues of locusts and other natural disasters like flooding reducing their food supply. What are the chances an incident like this goes out of hand? In the USA, a super-fertiliser is being sought. If the current resources are adequate, why is a super fertiliser needed? Europe appears to be losing a large chunk of it’s arable land annually. How long before there no longer is sufficient available arable land and they start chopping down their forests to get more? I’m sure anyone here will find many more issues to add to the list. My suggestion would be to say to these people: “Seeing that you have all that almost-religious zeal about you, how about you use that to work with us on problems that we can all agree exist, like the eventual shortage of fresh water that is expected to eventuate?” Here, it would appear that China agrees there will be an issue, as it has been reported that they own a sizeable chunk of the water rights in Australia. So, we have a problem, in fact several. Where and when do we start fixing them?

  18. And yet there are multiple European nations which have renewable energy at or beyond 40% of yearly production… and parts of the year when the renewable share is much higher… no collapse, no grid outages and the transition has been running well over a decade. (UK Q1 2020 47%, Germany Q1 2020 52% – (I won’t quote further figures affected by covid reducing demand, but I will note that with reduced demand more fossil fuel supply got turned off, leaving the grid at high renewable levels and no grid problems…)

    The countries with the highest electricity costs are those which transitioned early, while the kit was still expensive. If the USA transitioned today, it would buy its wind and solar at a subsidy free competitive rate…

    • And what exactly has ALL THAT RENEWABLE expenditure done to reduce your feared Green House Gas concentration?
      Zero Point Zero measurable drop.
      Why???
      China.

    • Griff
      Why are they stopping at 40%?
      Since we’ve now been enlightened that grid base load is a myth, never existed. Also we now know that load following is unnecessary also – just let people use what’s available when it’s available. The best electricity is no electricity. The best transport is no transport. So why are these nations not forging ahead to 100% wind and solar? What possible problem could there be with that?

      I’m with you – I too would like to see these countries physically destroy all power generation that is not wind and solar – then enjoy the resulting energy Nirvana. I assume that’s your wish also.

    • CO2 is no pollutant – it is a wonderful gas that feeds our plants so the plants can feed mankind. Germany had 2 leaders in the 20th century that led the country to disastrous wars…now Merkel is leading the country to disastrous energy costs and shortages. A sound robust economy needs inexpensive reliable energy as part of its foundation.

    • I see that griff is still trying to pretend that being able to generate a certain level of power for 1 minute once, is the same as doing it for the entire year.

      They’ve been corrected on this many times, but like the rest of the lies they repeat, it’s just too good to let go of.

    • For the 100th time, a “nation” as no “energy”. A continuous distribution system has.

      France is a nation. France doesn’t have an electric grid. Western Europe has an electric grid.

    • Thanks to nuclear power in France, and the ability to sell excess capacity across the EU grid at least some of the time.

      It’s easy to run”renewables”(not!) when someone else provides the base load flexibility.

  19. https://www.wemeanbusinesscoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Shape-and-Pace-of-Change-in-the-Electricity-Transition-1.pdf

    This report, which was released late last week, acknowledges that while a linear extrapolation of renewables deployment trends suggests the sector is off track to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement, clean power electricity generation is in fact set to meet Paris-consistent benchmarks if growth is extended against an ‘S-curve’ dynamic that has been observed in technological transfomations of the past.

    The report, dubbed Shape and Pace of Change in the Electricity Transition: Sectoral dynamics and indicators of progress, argues the adoption of renewable power to date fits along an ‘S-curve’ pattern for new technology adoption where an ’emergent’ growth phase gathers magnitude as the new technology is established before entering a ‘diffusion’ phase of exponential growth.

    Once extended against this ‘S-curve’ growth dynamic, rates of electricity generation from wind and solar are revealed to be in line with Paris Agreement-consistent 2050 benchmarks, according to the researchers.

    • LOL, Imagine ALL THE HORRENDOUS POLLUTION needed in China and other countries to make all those solar panels and wind turbines.

      A lot due for replacement soon as well..

      You haven’t been paying the least bit attention to REALITY, have you griff.

      Sucked in by the lamest pieces of proaganda pap and anti-science you can lay your hand on.

      Very funny.

    • Griff ,that report is by the UCL . Which you are no doubt aware is one of the most Marxist establishments in the UK .
      Other than all of the usual , ” Might Happen , could be ” & other such BS , it is not done by engineers so is totally rubbish .
      The cost of unreliable energy is not coming down and it is still not possible to run a large part of the grid with it .
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/18/excess-costs-of-uk-weather-dependent-renewable-energy-2020/

      • “Which you are no doubt aware is one of the most Marxist establishments in the UK”

        Of course he/she/it is aware of that fact… which explains why griff uses it.

        He/she/it is also aware of the FACT that current Arctic sea ice levels are higher than they have been for most of the last 10,000 years, aren’t you griff.

        He/she/it is just putting of a comic farce for us to laugh at. 🙂

    • In griff’s world there is no difference between putting out a press release claiming that you are going to do something, and actually doing it.
      Those who push electric cars suffer from the same belief system.

    • Nothing really changes except the names and faces. In the old days nuclear plants were developed in the U.S. with massive lies about costs to the ratepayers. Now we have massive lies about grid costs in the face of lobbyists pumping the highest cost rooftop solar and remote wind projects. Uncle Joe is going to paper over these lies with taxpayer money to “modernize” the grid instead of doing the right thing with some honesty.

  20. Well, simply put for ALL to understand: When you’ve taken the Dose, cut the artery, youre well on the way, even before you’ve jumped from the Parapet. The Bottle ishalf consumed, the artery exposed and the knife sharpened. …. and we have a multitude of bridges to choose from – Can we see if the Tide is in or out?

  21. You omitted to mention Boris Johnson’s declaration – be damned any objection from the citizenry – that all households in the UK will receive their power from wind generation by 2030. Cloud cuckoo land, but the dictatorship is gaining momentum.

  22. Here in the UK we have had several occasions when a small group of “workers” were able to stop the country and force government leaders to comply with their wishes.
    The famous Union actions of the 1960’s and 1970’s are well documented leading to the clash between the miners and the Thatcher government in the early 1980’s.
    Less well known was the impact, the very few oil and fuel distribution drivers had on Britain in 2000. Blair realised this very small coordinated group of workers could and did shut the whole country down.
    Now picture the scene. In just 15 years time around 2035 when the only energy source allowed, is coming from the grid, who will hold the levers of power then?
    All the energy available will go through the control room of the National Grid which has even fewer “workers”.
    The dozen or so who control the real “levers of power”, could and will stop everything, if they wish too.
    Is that what we really want to create? An all powerful group of untouchables? Because that is where we are heading.

    • Rod,
      Had you thought that was not a feature it was actually the design intent?
      Build a system with no resilience and no redundancy then just switch it off.
      End of UK PLC

  23. Fools,that is individuals too dangerous to be loose in a civil society,have always been with us.
    Our ancestors would banish them when they refused to learn..
    Banishment is still a solution.
    The Doomsday cult of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming,are easy candidates for any High Northern Latitude Paradise.
    As “Due to Global Warming” the Arctic is warming “Like never before”.
    Coates Island up in Hudson Bay,would be a perfect “refuge” for the “Alarmed Ones”

    One size might fit all,as the fools and bandits who are trying so hard to impose their personal idiocy upon everyone else,are the Extremely Gullible.

    Now that the madness of Good Intentions and Mass Virtue Signalling has overrun our “professional politicians”,we are facing “end times”.
    The end of our luxurious technological civilization,by failing to perform the tasks necessary to maintain it.

    Soft times allow stupid leadership,stupid leadership creates hard times.

    Our past is full of cases where the productive have emigrated to escape the parasitic overload.

  24. In retrospect, Hillary show be given some kind of Nobel or other award for being the worst campaigner in modern times. If they can give Obama a Nobel for moving into the White House, they should find a way to acknowledge Hillary for whatever.

  25. So the individual isn’t allowed to commit suicide but the collective can?

    Why is that ok?

    You’re saying 200 people committing suicide is ok if we consider them as a group?

    Stupidest argument I’ve heard in a long time!

  26. Napolean Bonaparte said “Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.”

    If any nation or state wishes to go 100% wind-solar – LET THEM.
    Don’t stop them doing this.
    We can all order a large popcorn and sit back to enjoy the black comedy that will unfold.
    Laurel and Hardy, Mr Bean … will have nothing on this.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *