You have to wonder, is it ego combined with narcissism that prompts things like this?
Dr. Mann, (or as Mark Steyn calls him – Dr. Fraudpants) inventor of the splice-o-matic pre-seived climate hockey stick thinks that fire danger is driven by climate change (newsflash – it’s summer) and that professionals won’t be able to handle a fireworks display on the fourth of July.
I don’t know how Mann managed to cram so much wrongness into a single tweet, but then again, he’s had years to perfect it. Now imagine the kind of hateful bias you see on display in that tweet applied to his work. Does anyone really think he can be an unbiased scientist with that sort of vitriol coming out of his mind?
Bottom line: Nothing happened. No fires, no disaster.
President Trump delivered a rousing speech, complete with patriotic visuals, something America needs right now.
Once again, his predictions of “climate-change fueled fire danger” were a big nothing-burger. Clearly, Mann’s ego is bigger than his intellect. He’s been ordered to pay up, I predict he’ll bail on that.
UPDATE: Meanwhile, the #silent majority in Los Angeles gives the collective finger to the left and the “climate crisis”. This video from last night was taken by a local TV station in a news helicopter. Similar “illegal” displays were seen and heard throughout the United States that night.
In some ways, Michael E. Mann is much more dangerous than the primal and criminal black shirt ANTIFA or the criminal aspects of the rioters and looters loosely connected to BLM and all the other rouge activist agendas. Mann et al, are the conduit to destroy western civilization throughout their ‘climate emergency’ legislation. This theoretically could have the same force and effect that the medical authorities just enacted with the Wuhan Corona virus. Michael E Mann is one of the most dangerous evil doers in the world with his lies and criminal science, which he has honed into an evil art form. He should be taken down with the Data Quality Act, and imprisoned for a very long time.
He criticizes “antiscientific stupidity”. Do we see a lot of scientific stupidity?
Yes.
he’s prig and a bully but don’t credit him with more influence than brow beating other academics.
All these alarmist pseudo-scientists only have one political card to play: cry wolf ! If it does not work, shout louder. They have been doing this for 40 years.
Climate science is only corrupt because they are all feeding at the trough. They are the tools used to legitimise the CAGW scare story. Follow the money.
Congress in its stupidity has funded Climate Science in a way that ensures that skeptics’ careers are over if they don’t toe the line, and your funding will skyrocket if you do toe the line and lie.
Trump is the Chief Executive with limited powers to actually direct the execution of the Agencies he was voted on to execute. This is fundamentally unconstitutional. Besides that it’s fundamentally wrong.
How else could an ass like Mann ever get funded to do anything. Nobody would willingly pay him. I wouldn’t pay him to mow my grass…he’d probably steal my mower or break it.
You don’t think that the billions and billions of dollars controlled by people like George Soros, and other Venture capitalists, who push the AGW and the man made climate change for for private profit, aren’t funding people like Mann and Greta Thunberg, among many scientific ‘studies’?? Why would it need to be government??
You couldn’t help but notice that none of the other alarmists rushed to his aid in his court case. He is like a US version of ‘never see snow again’ Wadham in the UK The mainstream them as damaging the cause.
Hear. Hear.
Those pedophiles @ Penn State were horrible criminals and I’m sorry for their victims, but the Piltdown Mann has damaged far more people, youths among them.
It’s striking that the offending institution in both cases is a unity. It’s an irony Mark Steyn couldn’t resist and I suspect I couldn’t either.
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The Hell with Mann. He’s a jerk, a greedy, self-serving jerk and nothing more.
The video? Gave me chills. Thanks for including that. Made my day!
Most geologists know that granite makes lousy kindling.
As a projectile, it can be quite incendiary.
So, bearing in mind the slavery owning of george Washington has anyone got any ideas as to what the woke baying mob will be calling your capital city when they take over? Probably will not be that long if that city defunds the police.
It sounds pretty lawless in New York
Tonyb
“woke baying mob will be calling your capital city when they take over?”
Zimbabwe
^This.
Consider that FDR ran on the same presidential ticket in 1920 as James M. Cox, an avowed racist. When do we start scrubbing FDR from our history books? Not that I would mind considering all the damage he did.
Wrong Cox.
James M Cox, Governor of Ohio was a progressive in that era
It was President WILSON who was the racist, he grew up in the South before
Wilson was a bigger progressive than Cox. Being a progressive doesn’t mean you are not racist. Most Democrats in 1920 were racist. In my readings I’ve come across this fact about James M. Cox. It isn’t a common item that the media and biographers want you to know about because it detracts from the illusion that they want you to have of FDR. You will not find it on the internet and in friendly biographies of FDR and Cox. It just is and you have to look hard.
Tonyb, I’m guessing the change will be from US Capitol to “Crime Capitol”, in honor of both what goes on in the streets and on Capitol Hill.
Washingmind
Ooh, excellent.
A not well educated Englishman once said, when told that the British had burned Washington exclaimed ‘Washington? I know we burned Joan of Arc, but George Washington?’
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A French Court did the legals and the subsequent burning of Joan.
A Burgundian court; after betrayal by the English.
Not that the French King was very thankful.
Note the Englishman was not very well educated, but he recognized the connivance of the English.
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I’d like to point out that us Scots were not involved in the capture and burning of Jeanne d’Arc. If fact Scottish troops helped her raise the siege of Orléans, and a few years earlier defeated the English with their Welsh archers at the Battle of Baugé, the Scots army was commanded by John Stewart, Earl of Buchan and the Stewart who became Constable of France and later was killed at The Battle of Verneuil
Floyd District of Farrakhan.
I favour Lafayetteville as the new name. Don’t laugh, I don’t see how the mob won’t start to demand this sort of change, as having a capital city name so closely associated with the historical act of slavery must be anathema to them
In all serious ness, those that invented the steam engine -Watt and Newcomen – ushered in the industrial age so must be removed from history. Stevenson and his railway engine? He’s out. What about the great industrialists who through their actions caused huge amounts of co2 to be fed into the air? Expunge them. The coal barons? First on the list.
Numerous other categories who in some way have annoyed the woke whether, as of now, by slavery, or in the future those who have allegedly caused climate change. Is there much difference between the woke of BLM or the woke of Extinction Rebellion?
When will those who want to rewrite history stop?
A name is already for use. Tocqueville
mkelly
Alexis was concerned about the potential for tyranny of the majority. We are experiencing tyranny of a minority of misfits that think they are smarter than everyone else.
Never. They will have to continually rewrite history to cover up the mess that their policies created.
America is named after a slave raider and a slave owner; Norse raiders were not exactly
politically correct either, but for time being Vinland might do.
They’ll not stop until all US history has gone down the “memory hole.” They’ve just torn down the statue of Frederick Douglass, a known associate of slave owners.
The calculator is a despicable far right invention solely designed and produced to make leftists and the more prevalent phony-leftists look totally stupid. This is not how the post-post-post-modern world should work.
Apple and all the others should call in all their calculator apps or be shut down, and calculators should be burned in large pyres. Zero emissions targets really should be based on touchy feely thoughts. Mathematics belongs in ancient history.
PS Same with pencils and backs of envelopes. Just tools of the right wing fascists.
Heck, jettison language too.
Drums and dance were good enough for the old folks. Heh, and for some of our young folk too.
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“When will those who want to rewrite history stop?”
When they are done, or when they are stopped. The Mob is mindless and knows no restraint other than force. It’s a waste of time to try to reason with fanatics, especially when they are gathered together in a Mob..
Columbus was a minnow, the Romans were the biggest abusers, let’s go and pool down the rest of the Rome’s Colosseum and the Pantheon. We should stop using their Latin alphabet too.
The ancient Greeks were not much better either. Pull down the Athens’ Parthenon now!
Wasn’t the Pantheon Greek?
Easily confused names.
“The Parthenon is a resplendent marble temple built between 447 and 432 B.C. during the height of the ancient Greek Empire. Dedicated to the Greek goddess Athena, the Parthenon sits high atop a compound of temples known as the Acropolis of Athens.”
“The Pantheon is the best-preserved building from ancient Rome and was completed in c. 125 CE in the reign of Hadrian. Its magnificent dome is a lasting testimony to the genius of Roman architects and as the building stands virtually intact it offers a unique opportunity for the modern visitor to step back 2,000 years and experience the glory that was Rome.”
At the teenage years of my education the classic art/architecture and a classic language (in my case Latin) were compulsory subjects of the curriculum.
Ahh, Vuk, the Pantheon. The original and the best. Everything since has just been a pretentious copy.
My bad, I learned something today.
Me too. Thanks vuk.
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Visiting the Pantheon was amazing, it survived so we because it was co-opted by the church
Staring up at the oculus is amazing.
Isn’t it one of the first free pour concrete structures?
Can’t decide if I was more impressed by it or the Haggia Sophia
So much to see in the world
Isn’t that what Vuk said? “The Athens Pantheon”? Or does your atlas put Athens somewhere else, like in Georgia?
No, he said “Athens Parthenon”. Maybe some new batteries for your glasses? 🙂
Good Lord man, you forgot the Pyramids!
And let’s throw in Göbekli Tepe for good measure.
Down with them all.
The pyramids were not built by slaves. Just people with time on their hands when the Nile flooded the land for three or four months.
They were built because they were hungry and the ruling class made sure they were fed.
Nowadays it’s called welfare.
I beg you pardon, the Egyptian pyramids were not built by ‘white, middle-aged men’. What the h.. is Göbekli Tepe ?
https://www.google.de/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=G%C3%B6bekli+Tepe&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzybq4k7fqAhVFfZoKHdX6CLAQsAR6BAgIEAE
From the Wiki:
So someone was in charge, so someone held power over others, that is racist.
/S
“So someone was in charge” …. the Aliens from outer space.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1572/gallery/
They were winged so not lizards these aliens.
Oh wait, there have been winged lizards in our past.
Perhaps angels?
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This week CNN referred to the Mt. Rushmore monument as a bunch of slave owners.
Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln were slave owners?
It’s amazing what you can learn by watching the MSM.
Did CNN tell about how Indian Tribes were also slave owners? Of course not. That doesn’t fit the radical Left’s narrative.
Slavery has been around as long as humans have been around. People have been thrown off their lands for as long as humans have been around.
The United States threw off the official yoke of Slavery with the culmination of the U.S. Civil War.
Slavery is still going on in this world, some of it coming right across the U.S. border, with women and children being trafficked. Trump is trying to stop this modern-day slavery. He should recieve praise from CNN on this. Fat chance of that happening. Don’t you hate CNN. The lowest of the low.
I’ve read that back in the heyday of African and Middleastern slavery it was controlled about equally by the Muslims, the Europeans. and by Colonial Americans.
Now, the not inconsiderable remnant is dominated by the Muslims.
So go confront that, not insist upon invoking and destroying our real history with politically warped fables.
H/t someone I read recently.
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“… what the woke baying mob will be calling your capital city when they take over.”
I’ve got a few suggestions:
Bone Thugsville
Boo-Yaa-borough
Bun Btown
Woketon
what the woke baying mob will be calling your capital city when they take over?
Chaz 2.0
Shouldn’t Washington State change it’s name as well? And the Washington Redskins will have to change both names.
“Has anyone got any ideas as to what the woke baying mob will be calling your capital city when they take over?”
The name will change weekly depending on who is running the Guillotine, just like the French Revolution.
With Mann’s machinations with data, creating a hoax of a hockey stick graph he should no longer be called a “scientist” he abandoned any pretext of science long ago. In my book he is at best a pseudo scientist, one who has anbandoned science for a different agenda.
Over 3 dozen hockey sticks by different groups of researchers using different data sets with different methodologies. (courtesy of https://environmentalforest.blogspot.com/2013/10/enough-hockey-sticks-for-team.html)
Crowley, T. J. 2000. Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years. Science 289:270-277: Used both his own and Mann et al. (1999)’s hockey sticks to examine the cause of temperature changes over the past 1,000 years. Found that natural forcings could not explain twentieth century warming without the effect of greenhouse gases.
Huang, S, H. N. Pollack, and P. Shen. 2000. Temperature Trends over the past five centuries reconstructed from borehole temperatures. Nature 403:756-758: Reconstructed global average temperatures since AD 1500 using temperature data from 616 boreholes from around the globe.
Bertrand, C., M. Loutre, M. Crucifix, and A. Berger. 2002. Climate of the Last Millenium: A Sensitivity Study. Tellus 54A:221-244.: Reconstructed solar output, volcanic activity, land use changes, and greenhouse gas concentrations since AD 1000, then computed the expected temperature changes due to those forcings. Compared the computed temperature changes with two independent temperature reconstructions.
Esper, J., E. R. Cook, and F. H. Schweingruber. 2002. Low-frequency Signals in Long Tree-ring Chronologies for Reconstructing Past Temperature Variability. Science 295:2250-2253: Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere temperatures between AD 800 and AD 2000 using tree ring chronologies.
Cronin, T. M., G. S. Dwyer, T. Kamiya, S. Schwede, and D. A. Willard. 2003. Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age and 20th Century Temperature Variability from Chesapeake Bay. Global and Planetary Change 36: 17-29: Reconstructed temperatures between 200 BC and AD 2000 around Chesapeake Bay, USA, using sediment core records.
Pollack, H. N. and J. E. Smerdon. 2004. Borehole Climate Reconstructions: Spatial Structure and Hemispheric Averages. Journal of Geophysical Research 109:D11106: Reconstructed global average temperatures since AD 1500 using temperature data from 695 boreholes from around the globe.
Esper, J., R. J. S. Wilson, D. C. Frank, A. Moberg, H. Wanner, and J. Luterbacher. 2005. Climate: Past Ranges and Future Changes. Quarternary Science Reviews 24:2164-2166: Compared and averaged five independent reconstructions of Northern Hemisphere temperatures from AD 1000 to AD 2000.
Moberg, A., D. M. Sonechkin, K. Holmgren, N. M. Datsenko, and W. Karlen. 2005. Highly Variable Northern Hemisphere Temperatures Reconstructed from Low- and High-resolution Proxy Data. Nature 433:613-617: Combined tree ring proxies with glacial ice cores, stalagmite, and lake sediment proxies to reconstruct Northern Hemisphere temperatures from AD 1 to AD 2000.
Oerlemans, J. 2005. Extracting a Climate Signal from 169 Glacier Records. Science 308:675-677: Reconstructed global temperatures from AD 1500 to AD 2000 using 169 glacial ice proxies from around the globe.
Rutherford, S., M. E. Mann, T. J. Osborn, R. S. Bradley, K. R. Briffa, M. K. Hughes, and P. D. Jones. 2005. Proxy-based Northern Hemisphere Surface Temperature Reconstructions: Sensitivity to Method, Predictor Network, Target Season, and Target Domain. Journal of Climate 18:2308-2329: Compared two multi-proxy temperature reconstructions and tested the results of each reconstruction for sensitivity to type of statistics used, proxy characteristics, seasonal variation, and geographic location. Concluded that the reconstructions were robust to various sources of error.
D’Arrigo, R. R. Wilson, and G. Jacoby. 2006. On the Long-term Context for Late Twentieth Century Warming. Journal of Geophysical Research 111:D03103: Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere temperatures between AD 700 and AD 2000 from multiple tree ring proxies using a new statistical technique called Regional Curve Standardization. Concluded that their new technique was superior to the older technique used by previous reconstructions.
Osborn, T. J. and K. R. Briffa. 2006. The Spatial Extent of 20th-century Warmth in the Context of the Past 1200 Years. Science 841-844: Used 14 regional temperature reconstructions between AD 800 and AD 2000 to compare spatial extent of changes in Northern Hemisphere temperatures. Found that twentieth century warming was more widespread than any other temperature change of the past 1,200 years.
Hegerl, G. C., T. J. Crowley, M. Allen, W. T. Hyde, H. N. Pollack, J. Smerdon, and E. Zorita. 2007. Detection of Human Influence on a New, Validated 1500-year Temperature Reconstruction. Journal of Climate 20:650-666: Combined borehole temperatures and tree ring proxies to reconstruct Northern Hemisphere temperatures over the past 1,450 years. Introduced a new calibration technique between proxy temperatures and instrumental temperatures.
Juckes, M. N., M. R. Allen, K. R. Briffa, J. Esper, G. C. Hegerl, A. Moberg, T. J. Osborn, and S. L. Weber. 2007. Millenial Temperature Reconstruction Intercomparison and Evaluation. Climate of the Past 3:591-609: Combined multiple older reconstructions into a meta-analysis. Also used existing proxies to calculate a new Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction.
Wahl, E. R. and C. M. Ammann. 2007. Robustness of the Mann, Bradley, Hughes Reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere Surface Temperatures: Examination of Criticisms Based on the Nature and Processing of Proxy Climate Evidence. Climatic Change 85:33-69: Used the tree ring proxies, glacial proxies, and borehole proxies used by Mann et al. (1998, 1999) to recalculate Northern Hemisphere temperatures since AD 800. Refuted the McIntyre and McKitrick criticisms and showed that those criticisms were based on flawed statistical techniques.
Wilson, R., R. D’Arrigo, B. Buckley, U. Büntgen, J. Esper, D. Frank, B. Luckman, S. Payette, R. Vose, and D. Youngblut. 2007. A Matter of Divergence: Tracking Recent Warming at Hemispheric Scales Using Tree Ring Data. Journal of Geophysical Research 112:D17103: Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere temperatures from AD 1750 to AD 2000 using tree ring proxies that did not show a divergence problem after AD 1960.
Mann, M. E., Z. Zhang, M. K. Hughes, R. S. Bradley, S. K. Miller, S. Rutherford, and F. Ni. 2008. Proxy-based Reconstructions of Hemispheric and Global Surface Temperature Variations over the Past Two Millenium. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 105:13252-13257: Reconstructed global temperatures between AD 200 and AD 2000 using 1,209 independent proxies ranging from tree rings to boreholes to sediment cores to stalagmite cores to Greenland and Antarctic ice cores.
Kaufman, D. S., D. P. Schneider, N. P. McKay, C. M. Ammann, R. S. Bradley, K. R. Briffa, G. H. Miller, B. L. Otto-Bliesner, J. T. Overpeck, B. M. Vinther, and Arctic Lakes 2k Project Members. 2009. Recent Warming Reverses Long-term Arctic Cooling. Science 325:1236-1239: Used tree rings, lake sediment cores, and glacial ice cores to reconstruct Arctic temperatures between 1 BC and 2000 AD.
von Storch, H., E. Zorita, and F. González-Rouco. 2009. Assessment of Three Temperature Reconstruction Methods in the Virtual Reality of a Climate Simulation. International Journal of Earth Science 98:67-82: Tested three different temperature reconstruction techniques to show that the Composite plus Scaling method was better than the other two methods.
Frank, D., J. Esper, E. Zorita, and R. Wilson. 2010. A Noodle, Hockey Stick, and Spaghetti Plate: A Perspective on High-resolution Paleoclimatology. Climate Change 1:507-516: A brief history of proxy temperature reconstructions, as well as analysis of the main questions remaining in temperature reconstructions.
Kellerhals, T., S. Brütsch, M. Sigl, S. Knüsel, H. W. Gäggeler, and M. Schwikowski. 2010. Ammonium Concentration in Ice Cores: A New Proxy for Regional Reconstruction? Journal of Geophysical Research 115:D16123: Used ammonium concentration in a glacial ice core to reconstruct tropical South American temperatures over the past 1,600 years.
Ljungqvist, F. C. 2010. A New Reconstruction of Temperature Variability in the Extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere During the Last Two Millenia. Geografiska Annaler: Series A Physical Geography 92:339-351 : Reconstructed extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere temperatures from AD 1 to AD 2000 using historical records, sediment cores, tree rings, and stalagmites.
Thibodeau, B., A. de Vernal, C. Hillaire-Marcel, and A. Mucci. 2010. Twentieth Century Warming in Deep Waters of the Gulf of St. Lawrence: A Unique Feature of the Last Millenium. Geophysical Research Letters 37:L17604: Reconstructed temperatures at the bottom of the Gulf of St. Lawrence since AD 1000 via sediment cores.
Tingley, M. P. and P. Huybers. 2010. A Bayesian Algorithm for Reconstructing Climate Anomalies in Space and Time. Part I: Development and Application to Paleoclimate Reconstruction Problems. Journal of Climate 23:2759-2781.
Tingley, M. P. and P. Huybers. 2010. A Bayesian Algorithm for Reconstructing Climate Anomalies in Space and Time. Part II: Comparison with the Regularized Expectation Maximum Algorithm. Journal of Climate 23:2782-2800. Both Tingley and Huybers papers revolved around the same reconstruction, in which they derived and used a Bayesian approach to reconstruct North American temperatures.
Büntgen, U., W. Tegel, K. Nicolussi, M. McCormick, D. Frank, V. Trouet, J. O. Kaplan, F. Herzig, K. Heussner, H. Wanner, J. Luterbacher, and J. Esper. 2011. 2500 Years of European Climate Variability and Human Susceptibility. Science 331:578-582: Used tree ring proxies to reconstruct Central European temperatures between 500 BC and AD 2000.
Kemp, A. C., B. P. Horton, J. P. Donnelly, M. E. Mann, M. Vermeer, and S. Rahmstorf. 2011. Climate Related Sea-level Variations Over the Past Two Millenia. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 108:11017-11022: Reconstructed sea levels off North Carolina, USA from 100 BC to AD 2000 using sediment cores. They also showed that sea levels changed with global temperature for at least the past millennium.
Kinnard, C. C. M. Zdanowicz, D. A. Fisher, E. Isaksson, A. de Vernal, and L. G. Thompson. 2011. Reconstructed Changes in Arctic Sea Ice Over the Past 1,450 Years. Nature 479:509-512: Used multiple proxies to reconstruct late summer Arctic sea ice between AD 561 and AD 1995, using instrumental data to extend their record to AD 2000.
Martín-Chivelet, J., M. B. Muñoz-García, R. L. Edwards, M. J. Turrero, and A. L. Ortega. 2011. Land Surface Temperature Changes in Northern Iberia Since 4000 yr BP, Based on δ13C of Speleothems. Global and Planetary Change 77:1-12: Reconstructed temperatures in the Iberian Peninsula from 2000 BC to AD 2000 using stalagmites.
Spielhagen, R. F., K. Werner, S. A. Sørensen, K. Zamelczyk, E. Kandiano, G. Budeus, K. Husum, T. M. Marchitto, and M. Hald. 2011. Enhanced Modern Heat Transfer to the Arctic by Warm Atlantic Water. Science 331:450-453 : Reconstructed marine temperatures in the Fram Strait from 100 BC to AD 2000 using sediment cores.
Esper et al. 2012: Used tree ring proxies to reconstruct Northern Scandinavian temperatures 100 BC to AD 2000. May have solved the post-AD 1960 tree ring divergence problem.
Ljungqvist et al. 2012: Used a network of 120 tree ring proxies, ice core proxies, pollen records, sediment cores, and historical documents to reconstruct Northern Hemisphere temperatures between AD 800 and AD 2000, with emphasis on proxies recording the Medieval Warm Period.
Melvin, T. M., H. Grudd, and K. R. Briffa. 2012. Potential Bias in ‘Updating’ Tree-ring Chronologies Using Regional Curve Standardisation: Re-processing 1500 Years of Torneträsk Density and Ring-width Data. The Holocene 23:364-373: Reanalyzed tree ring data for the Torneträsk region of northern Sweden.
Abram, N. J., R. Mulvaney, E. W. Wolff, J. Triest, S. Kipfstuhl, L. D. Trusel, F. Vimeux, L. Fleet, and C. Arrowsmith. 2013. Acceleration of Snow Melt in an Antarctic Peninsula Ice Core During the Twentieth Century. Nature Geoscience 6:404-411: Reconstructed snow melt records and temperatures in the Antarctic Peninsula since AD 1000 using ice core records.
Marcott, S. A., J. D. Shakun, P. U. Clark, and A. C. Mix. 2013. A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years. Science 339:1198-1201: Reconstructed global temperatures over the past 11,000 years using sediment cores. Data ended at AD 1940.
PAGES 2k Consortium. 2013. Continental-scale Temperature Variability During the Past Two Millennia. Nature Geoscience 6:339-346: Used multiple proxies (tree rings, sediment cores, ice cores, stalagmites, pollen, etc) to reconstruct regional and global temperatures since AD 1.
Rohde, R., R. A. Muller, R. Jacobsen, E. Muller, S. Perimutter, A. Rosenfeld, J. Wurtele, D. Groom, and C. Wickham. 2013. A New Estimate of the Average Earth Surface Land Temperature Spanning 1753 to 2011. Geoinformatics and Geostatistics: An Overview 1:1-7: Used proxy and instrumental records to reconstruct global temperatures from AD 1753 to AD 2011.
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Accolytes of Mann, using subsets of his data and the same methods, reach the same pre-determined solutions.
Only the terminally clueless are impressed by that.
Yeah, a lot of the same names over and over. And including things like Marcott, which have a very coarse temporal resolution, are disingenuous. That kind of resolution wouldn’t even show any of the spikes and drops of the last 150 years.
Same shuffling of datasets, more “novel” statistical methods, lots of post hoc proxy selection
(cherry pie, especially in the case of D’arrigo).
Marcott’s biggest problem was not his coarse resolution. It was committing academic misconduct by redating selected marine cores when he explicitly said he hadn’t. Proof by comparing his thesis to his Science paper based on same. Was posted at Judiths and as an essay ‘High Stick Foul’ in my ebook Blowing Smoke. I complained in writing to the then Science chief editor McNutt: her staff acknowledged receipt of the complaint and proof but of course nothing was done.
‘High Stick Foul’ … that’s a good one. Gotta remember.
Still no hokey stick on UAH. That alone relegates Mann M. E. to the trash heap.
https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/
Indeed, Rud, I think that’s what McIntyre found as well, something about “core tops” or something to that effect.
But the very coarse resolution makes it useless for comparison to modern thermometer readings. I’d say it makes it useless for making any statements about climate either way.
I think it is amazing that anyone still tries to put lipstick on this pig.
And hundreds more non-hs graphs available, or do you only bother to look at one side of the ‘settled science’ as presented by a long-dead propaganda blog?
I’ll leave the Googling up to you, the best learning is teaching yourself..
Google it” is the height of intellectual laziness. Your assertions require your evidence- a junior high school concept.
Jack Dale; If you want to understand the problems with the tree ring proxies, go the Steve McIntyers site; Climateaudit.org. He has reviewed several of the studies you noted and quite easily shown their fallacies. One of the major problems with reviewing tree ring proxies is that no one (dendrochronologist) wants to give up their data. They are terrified of what M and M will do to their precious studies. So if you could please get the proxy data from the studies you listed and give the data to Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, I, and others, would appreciate it. Lets see if it can be defended, like in “real science”.
SMS:
Correct.
Steve has shown that they change a little bit, but the main culprits remain. Then they have the gall to call their fake study “independent science”. Then they change a couple of pseudo-scientists in the new “study” and again call it “independent”. That is why they are called the “Hockey Team”. The fraudulent team is the same, they just change the line-up.
And Jack keeps repeating his same nonsense. Try it somewhere else Jack. There are too many of us here who cannot be fooled by Mann or you.
“a junior high school concept.”
So well beyond your ability.. hey Jackass. !
Jack, I can’t take your blinkers off, that’s up to you.
Do you really think me pasting links to dozens, possibly even hundreds of published papers that contradict you will make interesting reading or just clog up the forum?
You can easily find them yourself – the point is you have to want to.
There is one well known site that regularly collates them if you really are too lazy and willfully ignorant to do any work.
Jack, answer the questions, you evasive piece of shit.
“Google it” is the height of intellectual laziness. Your assertions require your evidence – a junior high school concept.
Yes, you said that already. Those mini-strokes are a bitch, aren’t they?
You just copy and pasted a wall of text from a blog. That’s laziness. And I notice that on the blog you brought up an article that was already listed which means you didn’t read the articles. LAZY.
Gorebots work like zombies.
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Jack, you got nothing you lying POS.
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James McGinn / Genius
Jack,
How do “independent” proxy reconstructions showing some kind of hockey stick absolve Mann of his scientific malfeasance? To boot, Steve McIntyre devoted countless hours reviewing not only Mann’s work but the work many others in Mann’s orbit (climategate emails) of climate re-constructionists and found certain Mannian techniques and their variations redeployed. It stands out that some of the names in your cited papers were names from the climategate emails. Mann so polluted the waters of climate proxy reconstruction that one’s first reaction to such are immediate distrust.
McIntyre also deconstructed many of those on Jack’s list. But Steve is just an industry shill…
This has been pointed out to Jack multiple times.
He will just keep repeating his bought and paid for mantra.
May have solved the 1960 tree ring divergence. Well there you have it. Settled science. In Mann’s case it was ignored science because he’s a zealot, not a scientist.
yet not a single one seems to address the critics raised by McShane and Wyner about 10 years ago:
“In this paper, we assess the reliability of such reconstructions and their statistical significance against various null models. We find that the proxies do not predict temperature significantly better than random series generated independently of temperature. Furthermore, various model specifications that perform similarly at predicting temperature produce extremely different historical backcasts. Finally, the proxies seem unable to forecast the high levels of and sharp run-up in temperature in the 1990s either in-sample or from contiguous holdout blocks, thus casting doubt on their ability to predict such phenomena if in fact they occurred several hundred years ago.”
As long as that article (and its rejoinder) remains uncontested, all your cited articles seems flawed and unreliable!
Remember, proxies are not the real thing; they are all imperfect representations of past temperatures and imperfect enough to be unfit for the purpose of setting climate and energy policy.
This has been a failure of human society’s understanding, and we can thank the propagandists like the Piltdown Mann for the sorry fix we’re in.
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Let me pick just one of these:
“Crowley, T. J. 2000. Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years. Science 289:270-277: Used both his own and Mann et al. (1999)’s hockey sticks to examine the cause of temperature changes over the past 1,000 years. Found that natural forcings could not explain twentieth century warming without the effect of greenhouse gases.”
What this should really say is that “we don’t know of any natural forcings that could explain twentieth century warming other than greenhouse gases. There may be others.”
They actually don’t really know the temps of the distant past. Proxies are all well and good, but many disagree with each other, and the error bars are almost always larger than the purported differences between then and now. Which means we don’t really know.
JMcG:
Jack, it is obvious to me that you are a propagandist and not a genuine researcher. Let me explain. The frirst statement in your post is, “Over 3 dozen hockey sticks by different groups of researchers using different data sets with different methodologies. ”
Then, at the link you provided, in the first paragraph, I read this:
Mann et al. (1999) has been validated through the publication of numerous hockey stick graphs since 1999.” I then clicked on the link you provided and within the first paragraph it stated, ” Mann et al. (1999) has been validated through the publication of numerous hockey stick graphs since 1999. ”
The Juxtaposition of these two statements reveals you as a moron. Maybe I’m mistaken. Here is your chance to prove me wrong. Explain how, “. . . different groups of researchers using different data sets with different methodologies,” substantiates (your word) the data sets and methodologies used by Mann in Mann et al. (1999).
Gustiness And The Things That Don’t Cause It
https://anchor.fm/james-mcginn/episodes/Gustiness-And-The-Things-That-Dont-Cause-It-egarde
James McGinn / Genius
” using different data sets with different methodologies”
nope…try again
Thank you for that list of scientists who don’t do science, Jack.
I Wrote A Technical Comment To “Nature” about the Huang, Pollack, Shen paper pointing out that the temporal/temperature resolution of their method is so poor that they cannot resolve the MWP and LIA individually, and doubly so when the two occured in close sequence. Thus, all they are capable of demonstrating is a recent warming i.e. no more interesting than air temp records, and a conclusion that is a sort of circular reasoning.
Technical Comment was squashed by the authors who argued that I was wrong and they are correct….because!
Muddying the waters.
This is Mann’s hockey stick (Wiki):
For instance this is Ljungqvist et al. (2012):
The Ljungqvist paper states: “… during the 9th to 11th centuries there was widespread NH warmth comparable in both geographic extent and level to that of the 20th century …”.
No-one doubts that there was a LIA about as cold as the Holocene has got so far.
That’s just one example out of the above list.
I started looking at the links on that blog.
The first one, Crowley, is a dead link.
The second, Huang et al, USES Mann’s work as references. So much for “independent”.
The third, Bertrand et al, also uses Mann’s bogus science, along with Jones, Briffa, Overpeck, Cook, All the CRU miscreants.
I don’t need to look any further. Let us know if you have something truly independent.
So Funny.
Obviously Jackass hasn’t read any of these papers.
I just chose one at random
Pollack, H. N. and J. E. Smerdon. 2004
We learn that the recovery from the LIA has proceeded continuously, roughly in a linear manner, from 1800-1850 to the present. The rate of the recovery in terms of temperature is about 0.5°C/100 years and thus it has important implications for understanding the present global warming.
It is suggested on the basis of a much longer period covering that the Earth is still in the process of recovery from the LIA; there is no sign to indicate the end of the recovery before 1900.
Cosmic-ray intensity data show that solar activity was related to both the LIA and its recovery.
The multi-decadal oscillation of a period of 50 to 60 years was superposed on the linear change; it peaked in 1940 and 2000, causing the halting of warming temporarily after 2000.
These changes are natural changes..
Poor Jack, makes an ass of himself yet again. !
Yes, studying why we’ve warmed since the LIA would be a useful way to gain skill at predicting future climate.
Instead these false prophets have seized upon a very minor actor, CO2, to perpetrate this attempted putsch.
It is wasteful and scientifically unsustainable, but oh the suffering we must go through before the alarm has foundered.
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The danger is global cooling, massively more icy and dangerous than man’s pitiful warming.
In fact I’ve called it for about 14 years and may be right since we don’t know what the deep oceans are doing.
This wasteful diversion, this ill-fated and evilly promoted scheme to enslave humans with fear and guilt about climate and energy will not be forgiven by shivering and struggling descendants.
We are cooling, folks, for how long even kim doesn’t know.
Cue James Thurber’s
Get Ready Man, hollering from the gallery.
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Jack Dale, complete waste of space. If it’s a joke, it’s not funny.
Oh Jackie boy is a complete joke. just not an intentional one.
Regarding his tweet, I guess Michael Mann would be one to know about antiscientific stupidity and malicious ignorance.
Just got this, you can add nitrogen, petroleum, carbon dioxide quinine, etc. to his list.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/38989927
People never learn, fire danger is not due by heat but by draught.
And if we consider, that heat is ≠ draught
Fires in the US West in places like South Dakota Black Hills (where Mt Rushmore is) and in Arizona where several fires have been burning the past month needs several years of plentiful rains to build up the ground fuel loads to get the hot fires needed to sustain forest burning. The winters of 2017 and 2019 were wet winters in Arizona. This past winter was a bit drier, and now the grass and brush fuel loads are high in Arizona’s forests, so we have fires.
In reality, it’s the natural cycles of nature, years of plentiful rain followed by drought, in cycles that produce the “Fire Years.”.
Beside of thunderstorms or grid failures you need an idot to put fire.
The fuel problem was extreme in Australia where Greens has been resposible for forest management and the resulting fuel overload.
Guess were the greens philosophy came from, UK forestry policy, we have been teaching the green way to European forestry ,Australian forestry for decades , brash became a tool to stop UK people being able to pick thier own firewood,because bugs live init, well the second justification 6 months before the justification was health and safety and being used for certain aluminium smelting cites ,generation of power. In the end the brash was picked up and sold back to the public at 200% of the pick your own licence fee.
I agree, when it is hot, get yourself a draught. But that won’t stop a drought.
If it’s cold you may have a draught aswell.
And when it’s hot it may be moist to, look at what jungle or rainforest you want.
Or we could play a game of draughts.
Well, if you mean ‘wind’ then draught is maybe the right word; but perhaps you mean ‘drought’?
So July 4th been and gone no climate change fueled fire, of course if mann had given a thought to what he was writing it should of read firework induced fire,..
Me thinks hes having a pop at Shellenberger who wrote climate change fuled fires are not down to climate change but enviromental measures ,which cause fires in the summer Australia and USA due to lack of brash clearing and environmental maintenance or lack of it.
Here in Western Washington, it’s been a wetter than average May, June, and July. Usually halfway through June, my 2.5 acres is all brown grass. I’ve still got a lot of green out there right now. it’s also been cooler the last couple months than it was in March and April.
Somebody must of cut the hay cause now it won’t quit raining. Just wait until the Pacific goes full La Nina for a spell, and then it will be colder and wetter, with more rain later into summer than now. Sure is late season in Pacific North West. The mighty Fraser River is going to peak next week, but we don’t know how high yet because it is still raining cats and dogs all over central BC on a still unmelted snowpack at the higher elevations, all the way to Mt. Robson on this side of the Continental Divide where the Fraser headwaters start near Jasper National Park. Every other smaller river is also flooding, so one of the latest freshets in this neck of the woods in modern history. In the massive flood of 1948 all over western NA, and in particular the Fraser River, it peaked on June 10th, 1948. People better start praying for real global warming, not adjustments to the records.
Mikey Mann – A perfect storm of dino-sized ego, lies, and pseudoscience as he cynically stokes the fires of Climatism, Rabid Anti-Trumpism, and racism. Instead of Penn State, he belongs in the state pen. Won’t even mention his criminal molestation of data. Oops.
Dr Fraudpants is no doubt a staunch Democrat, but I think it’s deeper than that beyond his hatred of Trump and conservatives. I suspect Dr Fraudpants is also a closet Marxist-Communist as well like so many other university “academics” on today’s campuses.
Last week, the Democratic National Convention effectively called the Mt Rushmore 4-Presidents rock carvings racist. The DNC tweeted (and then deleted when the mosre intelligent ones in the DNC realized it exposed their hand) by saying President Trump going there for a 4th of July speech was “glorifying white supremacy.”
Like the statues across the US of our history they encourage to be torn down, the DNC basically would tear down Mt Rushmore and turn the land back over to native indian tribes. The Democrats have shown their hand that they hate America.
The Democratic Party in the US is the Party of Slavery, the Party of Jim Crow, the Party of the Klan, the Party of Japanese Internment. Every bit of that sad history belongs to the Democratic Party – Democrats own their legacy of slavery and the Klan history. If they want to delete anything it should be their own party. The Democratic National Convention and the Party itself should simply disband.
The Democrats might as well disband, they’ve been effectively been taken over by COMINTERN.
Interested folks should google: “Comintern” and “Thrid International” and read up on Trotsky’s baby.
COMINTERN was Trotsky’s follow-on revolution to bring communism to the rest of the world. Realizing they have failed at creating their own party, COMINTERN allies have set out to take over existing politcal parties in various countries. In the US they have succeeded in taking over the Democratic Party. Even today’s DNC Chairman Tom Perez clearly and purposefully makes himself into a modern day Lenin figure in both appearance and substance as Obama’s former Secretary of Labor where he pushed a hard socialist “workers’ party ” anti-capitalist agenda.
At the heart of the US Democratic (Communist) Party of the US is the desire to tear down Capitalism. We see this in AOC, in Bernie Sanders, and in the leadership of the DNC. In the Climate Scam and the policies pushed, we see this overriding effort to tear down capitalism at every turn. Every bit of climate policy now pushed is about destroying capitalism. Because the alternative is then Communism. This is where Dr Fraudpants and his allies live today. The destruction of capitalism in a New World Order, and the climate scam is their Trojan Horse.
The Third International communist followers infiltrated overtly infiltrated the UN via Maurice Strong and effectively promoted UN Agenda 21, now Agenda 2030. The UN and UNFCCC is is where COMINTERN now lives. The UN and its climate agenda is a Trojan Horse to achieve that which they could not overtly achieve. Michael Mann is doing UN Agenda 2030’s work and by extension, promoting world communism. And I suspect that Dr Fraudpants is a closet Marxist. Everything about his modus operandi screams Marxism and its cornucopia of lies.
And Dr Fraudpants targeting Trump at Rushmore is just part of that overall effort because his re-election is all that stands between the Marxist-Communists and the US people being led to a socialist hell. And once the US falls to socialism, the rest of the Western capitalist countries will fall like dominoes under the Climate scam led anti-capitalism revolution.
” the DNC basically would tear down Mt Rushmore and turn the land back over to native indian tribes.”
The land shouldn’t be returned to the Lakota Sioux, it should go to the Cheyenne who the Lakota forced off the land in the first place! And who knows who the Cheyenne displaced before they took it over! On and on ad infinitum!
The Sioux had for a shorter time than any other group that occupied it, since its creation. Why the Sioux have a claim on it is beyond me.
For that matter, we should go back through the rest of the world, figure who took what from whom throughout history, and give it back, even if none of those “original” peoples still exist.
All of the native Indian tribes have been forced off their ancestral lands, except for the few reservations. The only difference between the Black Hills and Manhattan is that the Sioux didn’t get a bunch of beads. As I understand it, the Native Americans didn’t have a concept of private land owned by individuals; only tribal lands or hunting lands that they defended against other tribes. The Sioux drove out the Cheyenne, and the “Barkskins” drove out the Sioux.
Mark Twain famously said that there is not a square foot of land still in possession of its original owners. It is understandable that the losers are going to whine about having something taken away from them.
“Mark Twain famously said that there is not a square foot of land still in possession of its original owners.”
That says it all.
Yes and July 4th is now recognized as a white supremacist holiday.
In the fall, apple pie may be similarly labeled, especially if made from Washington state apples. I suppose that demo☭rats will try to make Labor Day racist too for some reason.
This weekend Kaepernick declared that the US was a racist country and that the 4th of July was a white supremacist holiday.
Kaepernick started the nonsense of kneeling during the National Anthem. As far as I’m concerned, anyone else who kneels during the Anthem is declaring that the agree with Kaepernick.
Nascar declaring that rebel flags are banned.
NBA letting players where social justice messages on their jerseys.
NFL allowing players to disrespect the flag and the National Anthem, and now appear to be forcing the Redskins to change their name.
The displays of absolute cowardice by so many major corporations.
Not sure where it will end, but pirates and buccaneers were involved in slave trading. Nike was criticized because annually over 1000 black youth are killed by other black youth robbing them of their shoes. The party of the Confederacy, KKK and Jim Crow laws gets a pass so far.
I think the following link could be renamed “The 45 DNC Goals”. https://edberry.com/polymontana/the-45-communist-goals-1963/#comment-86558
And of course, we have this – https://www.wnd.com/2016/07/the-ugly-history-of-democratic-suppression-of-blacks/
“I suspect Dr Fraudpants is also a closet Marxist-Communist as well”
At some activists’ conclave in PA a few years back, Mann led the crowd with fist-pumping accompaniment to chants of “The people united / will never be divided” or some close. Standard far-leftism. (BTW, why does the media use “far-left” about 1% as often as “far-right”?)
When 90% of the country is more conservative than you are, it’s hard for anyone get far enough to the left of them, to become “far left”.
“BTW, why does the media use “far-left” about 1% as often as “far-right”?”
Far-Right and Far-Left denote extremism. The Media wants to portray the Left as mainstream and want to portray the Right as radical, extremeists, so the Media hardly ever uses the term “far-left” whereas they use the term “far-right” as much as possible.
In Europe the Media always refers to anything to the right of center as Far-Right. There is no moderate Right in Europe, according to the Media. And the U.S. media follow along with that line of political propaganda.
IIRC, it’s been wetter than normal in the Black Hills the last few weeks, so the fire danger was down. I’m also confident the 302nd had a C-130 with firefighting chemicals pre-loaded and ready for take-off, just in case. The 302nd is an Air Reserve unit based here in Colorado Springs whose aircraft have been used to fight forest fires for the last ten years.
Compared with previous generations, indeed, with the broad sweep of human history, we have become an extraordinarily risk averse populace. “The Precautionary Principle,” aka do no harm, has been used by several environmental activism to prevent new technology or protect the statistic quo for the last 40 years. Think, leave it in the ground (LIITG).
The trends evident in helicopter parenting, minority victimology, virtue signaling, green shaming, name calling, environmental crisis, settled science, green Puritan leaders like Michael, Mann, Bill McKibbens, or Naomi Oreskes come together with the virus to create a perfect storm of suddenly required politically, if not medically, correct behavior. The second reason is media and technology.
Only time will tell if it was all worth it, or if the cure was much worse than the disease, unleashing powerful economic and social forces which will far outlast the health panic. What is always the case, and here so more than ever, where you stand on this question depends upon where you sit. One real improvement to health care is the emerging use of tele-medicine to provide distant healthcare.
““The Precautionary Principle,” aka do no harm,”
My understanding of the PP is that if there is even the slightest hint of a possibility that there may be a very small harm to someone or something, don’t do it. Which means you shouldn’t even wake up in the morning.
I’ve argued that the Precautionary Principle should be used against the Precautionary Principle as used in climate alarmism.
Here is an example of doing great harm while seeking to do none.
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So, Mann has a case against Steyn et al. The court has ordered to make a payment to some of the defendants. What does the court do if Mann refuses to make the payment? This is not like the case in BC where Mann is safe as long as he never sets foot in BC (or maybe in Canada, I’m not sure).
Could the court toss Mann’s suit because he refused to make payments that it ordered?
Could Steyn’s suit against Mann be revived?
There’ll be a fine for contempt of court if he doesn’t pay that and the original order he’ll be stuck in a cell until his lawyers get it paid
“Michael E. Mann – wrong again”
Shouldn’t that be “wrong still”?
I couldn’t help thinking, ‘still wrong, after all these years’, with apologies to Paul Simon.
Mann is filth, “Jack Dale” just another witless copy-paste troll, and anyone calling Trump’s speech racist, or America a bastion of white supremacy is indeed revealing their hand, as they all seem increasingly willing to do just lately. The reason is obvious: the coming election. When Biden speaks of uniting the country and Trump’s divisiveness, and CNN pundits minutely dissect and snidely mock every word of his July 4 speech, everyone who hasn’t had a lobotomy knows they are preaching to their base, just as they incessantly whine Trump does.
Of course, Trump’s base encompasses a lot more than just the “deplorables” these fools imagine it does, which will hopefully prove their undoing. Unsurprisingly in lockstep with the Democrats’ increasingly desperate hysteria and obvious contempt for their own country (not excluding the promotion of armed insurrection and the destruction of monuments, burning and looting of property and sometimes lethal violence), that base now encompasses pretty much any remaining rational human beings.
There are no words I can use to describe my burning desire to see CNN and anyone who thinks like them feel their heads imploding again following the next election, just as there are no words sufficient to describe the joy I felt watching it happen the first time. That not a single one of them is intelligent enough to understand that they were one of the key forces that made it happen is just the cherry on the sundae.
Just some thoughts from north of the border. Good luck to you and by extension the possibility of anything resembling a civilized future.
Biden speaks of uniting the country, then in the next breath he calls all whites racist when he declares that we need to defeat the non-existent “systemic racism”.
Sowing divisiveness is the only reason his party exists at all any more. For all those with 5-minute attention spans, they did exactly the same thing during the last several Republican presidencies – it just seems different this time because it’s more of the same only a hell of a lot more blatantly Fascist, including a full-on coup attempt that began before Trump was even elected, near-total saturation of the major media outlets with their rabidly loyal water carriers, the destruction of the careers and lives of people close to him, and proxy armies of blackshirts tearing cities apart. Oh, plenty of plausible deniability of course, although a fair number have been too stupid to keep their yaps shut and are openly showing their support.
You could say the Democrats have been clever in a Machiavellian sort of way – they seem to understand the generation that’s coming up and will one day wield power, and they want to make sure that they are integrated into the body politic and emerge as good loyal Democrats. So they’ve integrated the demands and wish lists of these whiny overgrown children into their platform.
As some wit said, the Democrats don’t have principles, only tactics.
“When Biden speaks of uniting the country and Trump’s divisiveness”
Biden is the one, along with the other Democrats, who are dividing the nation. They accuse others of doing what they themselves are doing. Perfect examples of projection.
Michael Mann’s hockey stick could use some Viagra because it’s pointed down.
https://www.facebook.com/ashevillemla/photos/a.223187834389347/360325340675595/?type=3&theater
His hokey schtick was an effect of too much self-abuse, not the ingestion of Viagra.
Correlation is not causation.
Is Yale university getting a name change considering its named after a racist slave trader. Any pictures or statues of him removed yet?
In an effort to combat climate change, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off.
Nice video – thanks.
Will the “Washington Monument” be toppled or just renamed?
In the left coast State of Washington, with a town named George, and many things named “Columbia” it will be good to wipe the landscape clean and return it to the earliest inhabitants. My neighbor is a member of the Yakamas. I’ll ask what he thinks.
Change name of the continent, both of Americas!
Amerigo Vespucci made slave raid in the Bahamas, capturing 232 natives and then returned to Spain. In his will he left five household slaves, to his wife.
No more America, god save Vinland.
What is the world coming to ?!
Even if it’s renamed, it will have to be repainted. It’s way to white.
John, even more appropriate vis-a-vis the above article: Mt. Rushmore has the faces of two former US presidents that owned slaves, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. I’m just wondering when Congress will approve the bill to dynamite their faces off this national monument?
I love the smell of burning gunpowder on July 4th.
There is an interesting Rushmore fireworks backstory. Obama stopped them in 2009. The reason was too many dead trees in the vicinity killed by bark beetles, that the forest service under Bush 2 did not tend to—funding or something. President Trump’s first interior secretary got the USFS to start cleaning up the Black Hills forest around the monument. All the coniferous trees we saw Friday were healthy green. When Noam became Governor in 2018, she expressed a wish for the 4 July Rushmore tradition to resume; the President granted her wish in Grand style.
Good show, hope there were not Chinese made import.
There aren’t many fireworks manufacturers in the U.S because insurance costs are so high. In China they don’t worry about the mishaps and many employees simply go out with a bang.
That was funny
Some whimper for a while.
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Rud
While cleaning up dead trees in the National Forest, they stacked up the wood in giant piles throughout the woods. Had one been ignited by lightening or an arsonist, it would have made for the mother of all weenie roasts!
The only Climate Scientist I know of that buys into the media’s theory that CO2 causes bushfires.
Mann is part of the “Woke ” people-never happy always inflating their own importance never contributing to the debate as the debate is over. No one can disagree as they are superior being.
It is always a matter of time before they begin eating each other.. Chaz/Chop is the endgame..
Where was Mann when Sanders, Hillary, and Obama visited Mt. Rushmore? Bill, too…
Wonder if Mann had one of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Al-Gore-3-Mount-Rushmore-Presidential-Campaign-Button-xmas-/264678431561
Dear Anthony,
after calling this your worst post so far, I got censored.
Let´s check a few facts then, shall we?
Is there a Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868, signed amidst ongoing conflicts between Natives and Western expansion settlers, the US recognized Black Hills as part of the Great Sioux Reservation.
Is it a stupid idea to have big fireworks in an area with a high fire risk? More particular, were fires caused by 4th July fireworks at Mount Rushmore in the past?
Gatherings like the one at Mount Rushmore help to spread the Corona virus if and when proper health care is neglected and Trump is spearheading this dangerous and stupid trend.
The tribal leader in south Dakota rightfully point out, that they will be the ones suffering illness and needless death as result of this unwise behavior.
Is the Black lives matter a movement formed after the needless death of an African-American by very wrongheaded policemen almost all of them were prosecuted as Criminals afterwards. It is the primary goal of that movement to prevent such a thing ever to happen again.
The fact that Trump is not willing to make a single move to help preventing these crimes supports racism.
And I do not think Trump is a racist himself, he just calculates that the can gain votes for himself that way.
I really think he does care much about anything but himself.
Yet his speech is highly inflamatory, it belittles the legitimize cause of a peaceful movement, by calling all of them a fascist mob.
I really hope you start thinking about facts instead of censoring, I have seen too much if this at RealClimate.
LoN
What a hack!
As misinformed as Mann is misinforming.
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Sadly, there is information in comments above which contradict your phony narratives.
Don’t they even pay you to read previous comments? Hint: it’s a good technique to learn. It enhances discourse, if that is what you want, which I doubt.
almost funny.. and the internet tells you why the information in some posts is wrong.. we can debate like 4 year olds if you insist.
If you find anything wrong please explain why and educate me/us.
LoN
Talk to the wall while you put another brick in it.
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What a moron, grow up and keep your hack-ass off this website!
Fool. LoN was or seems to be born without a brain
(1) Neither the US nor Natives adhered to the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868, just as the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851 had failed. The 1868 treaty was annulled in the Indian Appropriations Bill of 1876 and Manypenney Agreement of 1877. Both pre-date Trump’s presidency by over a century. There have been lawsuits that the Sioux have won, but they didn’t accept payment. Obama paid lip-service to the issue, visited there, and did nothing. Mt. Rushmore has been visited by probably every president and most serious presidential candidates since it was completed. But with Trump, there’s a problem?
(2) There were strict guidelines put in place because of the fire risk, along with approval and guidelines from consultants who do this for a living. It wasn’t amateur hour.
(3) Outdoor gatherings seem to be happening everywhere. Why not here? Who is “they” who will be suffering from COVID-19…Native Americans? Give me a break. Who is this person you call “the tribal leader in south Dakota?” There are nine tribes (eight of them Sioux) in South Dakota.
(4) Blah blah blah. You heard what you wanted to hear. BLM has lost some legitimacy of their cause on their own. Trump was rightfully speaking-out. BLM is free to clean its act up and separate themselves from the anti-semetic and Antifa folks co-opting their movement, too. It is NOT the “primary goal” of BLM to prevent deaths of African Americans by police officers, nor was it “formed after the needless death of an African-American by a very wrongheaded policemen almost all of them were prosecuted as Criminals afterwards.” It was founded in 2013 response to Trayvon Martin’s shooting death and the acquittal of George Zimmerman, who was NOT a police officer. Their own website states that its “mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.”
You had two chances to write this post, and that is what you came up with?
Ah, finally some arguments…
(1) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Sioux_Nation_of_Indians)
Supreme Court decision
The issue was whether the Sioux had already received just compensation for their land, and the Court affirmed the Claims Court’s decision that they never had.
=> This seems to settle the ownership and the legal owners are entitled to decline the penny-compensation for their holy land!
(2) there was a fire risk and in particular the owner of the land spoke out against a firework
(3) “Give me a break.” Why should I, because your argument is flawed? In any other state with huge outdoor meeting the CV surged at the location of these meetings. Julian Bear Runner is the tribal leader speaking out against this event.
(4) “Blah blah blah. You heard what you wanted to hear. ” You too seem to have hearing difficulties, can you hear this:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/06/racial-disparities-families-struggle-food-348810
Just one random news article, but it speaks loud and clear: This has to change in a nation where everybody is equal and a president not addressing this racial problem, but intensifying it for personal gain is not right at this job!
But I thank you for trying to bring facts as flawed as they might be, they are in stark contrast to other answers. I give you, that I got some details wrong, but the core of the matter stands.
I never thought that I would stand up and defend anything Mann said.
You still haven’t read about the fire risk above, you’ve swallowed the Fauci et al view of this politically frazzled pandemic and now you are following the Piltdown Mann down this rabbit hole of false narrative used for the purpose of gaining power.
De bon gout!
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Get it through your head and into your gut that Mann et al perpetrated this scientific fraud in order to gain power for politicians who wouldn’t gain power legitimately.
You seem useful.
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Really you are useful, an anomaly who understands the chicanery of the Piltdown Mann but idiotically bamboozled in too many other ways.
A rara avis. I salute you as a harbinger of hope.
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What does black America want?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY3zbL7trhE&list=PLIBtb_NuIJ1wpywJrcir5lFeehFTWbtdf&index=3&t=0s
– JPP
Thank you for the link, Jon!
Unfortunately, this lady confuses a quite few things.
Even if 95% of all black homicides are committed by black males, it is wrong to have any unnecessary death by the police force, even if the person killed is a criminal, the job of the police is still to protect his rights and life! (A case of justified shooting is of course different, but that is not what happened to Floyd)
“Defund the police” is a slogan calling for necessary changes not anarchy or leaving a police officer out in the cold without proper equipment and support.
Here is a random web article discussing it, it makes sense what she says:
https://www.5minutesformom.com/153322/defund-the-police/
The video claim that non-white people have equality in this country is wrong (earlier I posted that article about a basic need.. food).
Can you imagine walking by a glorified statue of a man who within his right at that time tortured and killed an ancestor of yours? Does that really not creep you out? I dont want or need a statue like that and I dont think it is about statues at all.. like Trump speeches (he carefully walks the line not saying anything racist, but denies any rights to the peaceful protestors cause) it is all about keeping the real existing inequality.
The majority of the protester are non-violent and have a good reason for their protests.
Any criminal should be identified, arrested and trialed and the police should have proper means to do so at any time! – no matter of the skin color or if the person was wearing an uniform at that time.
You don’t understand that much of this race-baiting is paid for by the same sort of people who finance Mann and you may be too young to remember when real progress was being made toward equality and understanding among all races.
This acting is regressive; it is unsustainable.
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“like Trump speeches (he carefully walks the line not saying anything racist, but denies any rights to the peaceful protestors cause”
Trump distinguishes between peaceful protestors and anarchists. Trump is criticizig the anarchists. he is not criticizing the protests over George Floyd.
The Leftwing Media, and you apparently, have distorted what Trump is saying and claim he is racist for criticizing anarchists, whom you call “peaceful protestors”. The Media is disengenously equating peaceful protesters with anarchists as a means of harming Trump.
Most of the people out on the streets right now are anarchists, not legitimate protesters.
And then Fox News runs a banner headline this morning proclaiming “Violence all across America”.
Well, that’s not true. About 10 Democrat big cities are experiencing increased shootings and deaths because the Democrat big cities are hamstringing the police.
But the rest of the naton is not involved in this. No riots or upswing in shootings in my State, and lots of other States, too. It’s as peaceful as it can be around here. But you wouldn’t know that listening to Fox News.
Fox News is putting out misleading information. They are getting bad about doing this. It must be their new Lefty bosses getting involved. They push the leftwig narrative more than ever now.
“Can you imagine walking by a glorified statue of a man who within his right at that time tortured and killed an ancestor of yours?”
Other than Vladimir Lenin, which subject of a statue in the United States deliberately tortured and killed slaves?
“Trump distinguishes between peaceful protestors and anarchists. ”
That is incorrect! Or kindly point out where he does such a distinction:
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-transcript-at-mount-rushmore-4th-of-july-event
I am glad, that we seem on the same page, that such a distinction is very necessary and what it means if Trump cannot not make such a distinction, would you kindly explain that to “kim”, he seems troubled with that concept.
“which subject of a statue in the United States deliberately tortured and killed slaves?”
Like the policemen, it does not matter if it was deliberate or even accidental killing, none of it was heroic and it should be appalling to any human being!
I see your one of the left who’s filled with hate, statues depict a person from the past ,who does not have a statue of themselves because they were a slaver ,that’s incidental to the celebration of a person, slavery was the norm 2/300 years ago you can not ridicule a dead person for something they may or may of done in the past be it indirect or direct, your in denial of the main reason a person is celebrated, that shows little respect on your behalf, anyone who destroys ,removes, defaces a statue is breaking the law, unlike the majority of slavers who were not breaking the law, be it amoral or not it was not illegal.
So what are you doing against modern slavery are you jetting all over the world fighting real slavery , that’s what matters now not something that happened over 200 years ago, I doubt your doing anything at all, except
You and your kind are causing more hate and resentment than we have seen for a long time.
@Laws of Nature,
My BS meter went off about 30 years ago about the “Global Warming Crisis” ie. the “Climate Change Crisis”
And now after the past 3 weeks or so, my BS meter has gone off again in regards to the BLM, black lives matter movement, To me it’s just another Marxist movement, – thanks for watching the link, but Candace Owens is much more than what’s in that link. She has been black her whole life, I would suggest you might take the time to see from where she is coming from on some other of her videos, etc.
– JPP
You are aware, that you or your link did not contradicted anything I wrote so far.. maybe your BS meter got worse over time. I know Mann was carrying this message, but that does not mean he is automatically wrong about everything non-climate related.
I restate my message:
Fireworks in that area are stupid and should not be done against the will of the owner of that area (according to the supreme courts decision). Who is absolutely in his right to like one politician and dislike another.
The Corona virus is spread by gatherings like that one and not wearing proper protection is very stupid.
There is no racial equality in this country and peaceful protests are an expression of that opinion which Trump does not acknowledges, he rather gives inflammatory speeches insulting said peaceful protesters.
Hopeless harbinger; a concern troll.
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You opined, “Fireworks in that area are stupid and should not be done… The Corona virus is spread by gatherings like that one and not wearing proper protection is very stupid.”
Since there were no fires started by the fireworks, and there have been no outbreaks of COVID-19 subsequent to the gathering, how should an objective person rate your opinion? You can’t even say, “See, I told you so!” Might it be that you are overly excitable and give too much credence to your personal opinion?
I suspect The Piltdown Mann is as managed as Greta Thunberg.
Remember in one of the Climategate emails he spoke of the need of the ‘Cause’ for his brand of of sciency chicanery. If not there, elsewhere and, heh, for the rest of time.
He’ll not do well in the history of science, but he’ll be there ‘til the end of time for his egregious faults.
His devotees, like that much sung husband, will be ‘praying for the end of time’, for they are surely stuck with him for ever.
Chained to the Crook’t Stick. Can’t dump him without dumping the Stick and there is allowance nor mood for iconoclastery.
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I am so proud of the Los Angelinos for defying Herr Newsom’s diktats on fireworks this Fourth, especially to the extent they did. Virginia has similar bans, but the fireworks could be heard for miles last night. I was stuck at home, since I feel like I’m coming down with something and thought it best not to go out and about. But these acts of defiance are what the Fourth is all about – and, moreover, what it should be all about.
The Piltdown Mann will always be remembered as a disgrace to his profession! He seems to have all the competence of a Paul Krugman when it comes to making accurate predictions, especially about VSGPDJT. Like they and others afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome helped to kill thousands of Americans from the ChiCom-19 Virus (Wu WHO Flu) by discouraging or preventing the use of HQC and zinc as a prophylactic.
We need to call for the defunding and abolition of the DemoKKKrat Party since they are the party of slavery and the KKK; not to mention the obvious systemic racism inherent in many of their criminally run cities and states! Could black citizens in Chicago or Baltimore receive any worse treatment if they were governed by the Bigfoot of 2020; the white supremacists? How could their schools be any worse and how would their job opportunities be any less? Just like the far left to create a problem and claim to solve it by making things worse! But then divide and conquer is about the oldest trick in human history.
As a Brit I am hell of a proud with what you guys have done since you kicked our king out!
Well done! A justified and good celebration, keep it up!
As an American it’s ‘Hella proud’.
We just refused to pay our share of the colonial defense costs in order to provoke our urge to self-determination. Sam Adams was a political genius and he had a little help.
Did you know that the rebels who went out to meet the British approaching Concord turned around and escorted them into town with a fife and drum parade?
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The Americans @ Lexington had dispersed at the British approach but had clumsily reformed,
probably on the orders of Sam Adams, who was hiding in a house on or near the Green.
Personally, I’m glad he risked others’ lives rather than his own.
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Actually Adams and Hancock were both hiding in the house of Hancock’s cousin and capturing or killing them was one of the objectives given the British officers by their commander, Thomas Gage. The other was of course to destroy the militia armory in Concord.
Har rah!
Thanks for reminding me of this detail from Tourtelotte’s wonderful little book. I remembered the picturesque details, you remembered an important one. It further justifies Adams’ stance and further damns the British intelligence, as he and Dandy John were only yards from the green where men and boys died.
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The entire Plandemic is the creation of the Social Justice Networks and their fakenews outlets.
About aborigines, there was one aborigin human cultivar milllions of years ago, since then it has been dog-eat-dog (sometimes literally) competition. They can’t fool Mother Nature or Father Darwin. Stewpots is so much easier than STEM.
Naw they just took advantage of a great national calamity in order to warp the political process, meanwhile damaging countless lives in manifold ways. They were so quick it could seem planned,
but it’s just the way of these evil and destructive folk.
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That 2nd video of LA, was that Friday night, or Saturday night ??
Really great !
– JPP
Culturally a re-enactment of the American response as the British fled back to Boston.
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Great video of fireworks over Los Angeles!
I’m sure Easton will make a hockey stick coated with fire retardant for Michael Mann.
From the article: “UPDATE: Meanwhile, the #silent majority in Los Angeles gives the collective finger to the left and the “climate crisis”. This video from last night was taken by a local TV station in a news helicopter. Similar “illegal” displays were seen and heard throughout the United States that night.”
I would have to say that there were more fireworks set off this July 4th, than in the past, around this area. Some people were setting them off the next day, too.
Holy crap. I wonder how many millions of dollars were spent on private fireworks this year? My neighborhood sounded like a war zone.
Another thought: how safe was it for that helicopter to be flying around LA on 4th of July night? How many gang-bangers were adding to the “fireworks” display by firing their gats into the air?
While China takes over the hard sciences after taking over production and trade, the west is left with agenda science, social engineered teaching content, and non serious players on faculty. Mann is part of the first wave of this transition that will be much more evident in the next five years and obvious in 10 years. At that point Americans will have the same blend of over priced universities with a lot less relevance–there will be nothing left to take or steal.
“Trump at Mount Rushmore: Progressives deride his defense of America’s founding principles.” By The Editorial Board at WSJ.com on July 5, 2020:
“President Trump delivered one of the best speeches of his Presidency Friday evening at Mount Rushmore, and for evidence consider the echo-chamber headlines above. The chorus of independent media voices understands that Mr. Trump is trying to rally the country in defense of traditional American principles that are now under radical and unprecedented assault.
“Dark? In most respects Mr. Trump’s speech was a familiar Fourth of July ode to liberty and U.S. achievement that any President might have delivered in front of an American landmark. “No nation has done more to advance the human condition than the United States of America. And no people have done more to promote human progress than the citizens of our great nation,” he said.
“Contrary to the media reporting, the America Mr. Trump described is one of genuine racial equality and diversity. He highlighted the central ideal of the Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal.” As he rightly put it, “these immortal words set in motion the unstoppable march of freedom” that included the abolition of slavery more than a half century later. …
“But this year even Mr. Trump’s speech backdrop, Mount Rushmore with its four presidential faces, is politically charged. Each of those Presidents—Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt—is under assault for ancient sins against modern values, as progressives seek to expunge their statues and even their names from American life. Mr. Trump’s great offense against the culturally ascendant progressives was to defend these presidential legacies.
“Divisive? Mr. Trump’s speech was certainly direct, in his typical style. But it was only divisive if you haven’t been paying attention to the divisions now being stoked on the political left across American institutions. Mr. Trump had the temerity to point out that the last few weeks have seen an explosion of “cancel culture—driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees.”
“Any one of these events would be remarkable, but together with literally thousands of others around the country they represent precisely what Mr. Trump describes—a left-wing cultural revolution against traditional American values of free speech and political tolerance. And he called for Americans not to cower but to oppose this assault:
“We must demand that our children are taught once again to see America as did Reverend Martin Luther King, when he said that the Founders had signed ‘a promissory note’ to every future generation. Dr. King saw that the mission of justice required us to fully embrace our founding ideals. . . . He called on his fellow citizens not to rip down their heritage, but to live up to their heritage.” …
“Mr. Trump is far from the ideal spokesman for this message given that he has often used the politics of division himself. But liberal elites have created this opening for him by failing to stand up against the radicals who are using the justified anger at the killing of George Floyd as a cudgel to hijack America’s liberal institutions and impose their intolerant political views on everyone else.
“No doubt Mr. Trump hopes this theme can restart his election campaign, and for once he gave a speech that was about something more than himself. Stay on script, add a second-term agenda, and he might even have a chance. But whatever the result in November, Mr. Trump’s Mount Rushmore theme isn’t going away. Progressive elites are courting a backlash that will have more than one champion. “
Hmm… I wonder if a U.S. citizen could purchase Mann’s unpaid Canadian court ordered debt to Tim Ball (a Canadian citizen) and collect in the United States’s judicial system? Be fun to watch.
Having a Canadian Court issue an extradition warrant issued to Mann in the United States for Contempt of Court would be equally fun. (Although, I suppose many Canadians are now relieved to know Mann can’t set foot in Canada without being detained and thus might not press the point.)
In any event, it would appear Steny’s prior observation of Mann’s character that led to the U.S. liable lawsuit were objectively right… in that it has been demonstrated that Mann does, in fact, belong in a “State Pen”… as, last I looked, Contempt to Court is a jail-able offense.
Presenting Mann with a Canadian extradition warrant in front of a U.S. Judge would no doubt help underscore that point within the U.S. judicial system.
One of the biggest useful idiots in the Marxist scam is wrong again??! I say STILL…But either way a useful idiot for the Marxist movement and nothing else.