Michael Mann: “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”

This is Michael Mann, Distinguished University Professor of Atmospheric Sciences and Geosciences, Penn State. CREDIT Patrick Mansell, Penn State

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Michael Mann, the upcoming US Presidential election is “a Tolkienesque battle between good and evil, and Sauron needs to be defeated on election day here in the United States.”. But Mann claims he is not being partisan.

A second Trump term would be ‘game over’ for the climate, says top scientist

Michael Mann, one of the world’s most eminent climate experts, says Earth’s future ‘is in the hands of American citizens’Supported by

Mark Hertsgaard Fri 2 Oct 2020 20.00 AEST

This article is published as part of Covering Climate Now, a collaboration of 400-plus news outlets to strengthen coverage of the climate story. The Guardian is the lead partner of CCN.

Michael Mann, one of the most eminent climate scientists in the world, believes averting climate catastrophe on a global scale would be “essentially impossible” if Donald Trump is re-elected.

A professor at Penn State University, Mann, 54, has published hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers, testified numerous times before Congress and appeared frequently in the news media. He is also active on Twitter, where earlier this year he declared: “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”, a statement he reaffirmed in an interview with the Guardian and Covering Climate Now.

“If we are going to avert ever more catastrophic climate change impacts, we need to limit warming below a degree and a half Celsius, a little less than three degrees Fahrenheit,” Mann said. “Another four years of what we’ve seen under Trump, which is to outsource environmental and energy policy to the polluters and dismantle protections put in place by the previous administration … would make that essentially impossible.

Mann denies that it’s a partisan statement to say that four more years of Trump would mean “game over” for the climate.

“It is a political statement, because it speaks to the need to enact policies to deal with climate change,” he says. “But it isn’t partisan to say that we should act on this crisis.

“The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us. The way we end this national and global nightmare is by coming out and voting for optimism over pessimism, for hope and justice and progress over fear and malice and superstition. This is a Tolkienesque battle between good and evil, and Sauron needs to be defeated on election day here in the United States.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/donald-trump-climate-change-michael-mann-interview

Last time I checked President Trump did not resemble an immortal wizard who is busy trying to recover his lost magical ring, which would grant him eternal dominion over the entire world.

But comparing President Trump to Tolkien’s premier villain probably makes as much sense as anything else Mann says.

To be fair, famous science fiction author Isaac Asimov once suggested in his essay “The ring of evil” that the One Ring represents technology:

… it is the lure of technology, the seduction of things done more easily; of products in greater quantity; of gadgets in tempting variety. It is gunpowder, and the automobile, and television; all the things that people snatch for if they don’t have them; all the things that people can’t let go once they do have them. …“.

If Tolkien’s irrational yearning for a fantasy age of pre-industrial agrarian bliss is Michael Mann’s inspiration, this is not a vision I share. I choose the comforts of the industrial age, over the grim pre-industrial reality of back breaking toil, hardship, misery, bone chilling cold, disease, and an early death. It should be possible to enjoy a breath taking fantasy like Lord of the Rings, without confusing fantasy with reality.

Please remember though, Mann is not being partisan.

** OK, technically Morgoth is Tolkien’s premier villain. But you would have to be a real LOTR geek to know that.

162 thoughts on “Michael Mann: “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”

  1. Michael Mann, one of the most eminent climate scientists in the world, did get one thing right about this election. It really is a battle between Good and Evil, as represented by the climate theme substituting for the horrors of institutional Marxism that they want to impose on the West, and by extension, the rest of the developing world. They even admit it for crying out loud.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out we find that Michael ‘Adolph’ Mann is actually bought off by the Chicoms through some Confucius Institute. He needs to be prosecuted under the Data Quality Act for his crimes against humanity. I would be real worried if I was him too, because he is a scientific fraud selling snake oil.

    • precisely the message of my book except backed up with dozens of counters to this worst ever nonsense and offering a logical, environmental friendly plan to quell the fear among the indoctrinated that believe this stuff
      phonyclimatewar.com. ( its phony cause its about what this reader said, not about climate, and because these people that view themselves as warriors on the front line are trying to elevate themselves to some heroic level .. Unless you have been in war, you dont know what war really is

    • So.. he has now changed careers and become a stand-up comedian? I always thought there was something funny about him.

      • a stand-up comedian…

        failing even as that. !

        Comedians try to be funny..

        Mickey Mann is just emulating a low-end village idiot….. or perhaps not emulating..

    • It’s subliminal sign. A small round orifice, surrounded by tufts of hair and pink cheeks. What should you expect to come out of that orifice on a regular basis ?

      BTW can authors at WUWT please find a different, more up to date photo of this flaccid aging bully. That shot’s probably 20y old by now.

      Every time I see that smug, arrogant expression I want to punch it.

      • There’s a Mrs. Mann?! My god, what is she?

        Is she so porcine that she has to wash her back with a rag on a stick in a wading pool set out in the back yard because she doesn’t fit in the tub?

        Does Mikey have to shave her back-fur?

        Does her monobrow offset her snaggle-teeth in an upsetting way?

        Did Mikey take advantage of her learning disability to get himself a beard-wife?

        These are questions that urgently need answers! We may have found the missing link! Or at least found the first living example of Sasquatch. LOL

  2. This is Michael Mann, Distinguished Discredited University Professor of Atmospheric Sciences and Geosciences, Penn State.

  3. Here’s hoping. But it is odd Trump being diagnosed as COVIS-19 positive, 4 weeks form the election.

    • scarier right now is pelosi being touted as being able to gain control..
      how?
      cos Pence is VP not the harridan last I looked
      reallyhoping Trump pulls through fast and able to get back on deck without harming himself
      even from across the ocean the other mob or wichiepoo getting power is frightenig

      • It’s been a while since I’ve heard the word harridan used. Nancy Pelosi is a fitting exemplar.

  4. The correct statement would be: ““A second Trump term is game over for the climate- and CO2-hysteria – really!”

    • Sorry to say, but that’s wishful thinking Hari. Anyone who has watched the socialists braying about the need to stop burning fossil fuels since the early 1970s will understand that there is no end to climate hysteria while there are still socialists in the world. The original reason we needed to descend to a new Dark Age was to avoid global cooling. They transitioned seamlessly to warming, and now to the unfalsifiable “climate change”.

      Dr Gollum-Mann gave us all a 4-yr extension on the last chance back in 2017 when Trump was inaugurated, and if we avoid the Harris Administration (featuring Joe Biden), he’ll move the goalposts yet again. Hell, those goalposts have been on wheels for decades now. Eventually they’ll be projecting doom by 2200 if we don’t act before 2100.

      • Actually, I think of Michael Mann as more Wormtongue than Smegel (aka Gollum). Whispering lies into the Public’s ears, poisoning their minds.

      • Dear Mr. Davis,

        Thank you for your comment. I was born in a “socialist country” in East-Europe, so I have some practical experiences with real “socialists”/”communists” and similar creatures. You could be sure, that they (socialists/communists) have NEVER been against fossil fuels and nuclear energy (even they preferred very strongly nuclear energy). According to my mind this kind of folks similar to Mr. M. Mann could be classified as “neobolsheviks” or (in their terms) as “progressive liberals” aka “liberonazis” with the goal to establish world supremacy. Instead of the communist slogan “Workers of the world, unite!” their new slogan would be “Globalists and climate-/CO2-hysterics unite!”. Some weeks ago I attended a Zoom-session with Mr. Mann as a chairman. On the basis of the experiences from this session I have the very strong feeling that Mr. Mann needs very urgently strong mental support by a very good psychiatrist. The second half of the session was on religion, even participants asked if the event would be a scientific session (Stanford University) or would it be a discussion in a church on religious matters.

        To the prolongation of climate-/CO2-hysteria: In East-Europe who could imagine even in 1989 that the Soviet-Union (and KGB) could disappear within less than 12 monts? So I hope (and pray for it), that the days of climate-/CO2-hysterics have already been counted.

        • Hari, of course the socialists used fossil fuels and nuclear power freely. Just as they ignore the ravages of windmills today, they saw no harm in burning fossil fuels even as they produced far more actual pollution than ever had been the case in the West.

          Anti-fossil fuel propaganda has ALWAYS been about destroying Western capitalist economies with a lie that fossil fuel burning was causing some danger to society.

          When the lie changed from fossil fuels causing an ice age to fossil fuels turning earth into Venus, they didn’t even blush at the contradiction. Even now, the hypocrites who spew this propaganda live lives that use far more energy than those of us being targeted by their lies. It could not be more obvious that they are not sincere and are only seeking power.

          The communists did not disappear when the Iron Curtain fell nor when the Soviet Union dissolved. The reds simply cloaked themselves in a thin veneer of green and became watermelon environmentalists.

  5. You can reword ’eminent’ as ‘sticking out’. And I suspect that said Mann sticks out as one of the worst ‘climate scientists of the 21st Century.

    • He’s not even a climate scientist. He’s a mathematician who knows how to fudge statistics to get the desired result as opposed to the correct one.

  6. oh dear….. Mickey Mann….. the poor, petulant, puerile, per-pubescent primal-donna prat.

    There is NO “climate crisis” except in your own fetid little delusional mind.

  7. In Lord of the Rings Mann could don the mantle of Wormtongue the corrupt courier who poured lies and half truths ino the ears of King Theoden sapping the king’s will to live and to resist the powers of the dark lord.
    Mikey holds one of the rings. The ring of bumfluff around the mouth of The lying weasel.
    Mann “Distinguished Prof”. What then does a mediocre prof sound like?

    • What a great comparison, and to paraphrase Gandalf – “Michael Mann, what a witless worm you have become”, and “keep your forked tongue behind your teeth”.

  8. Anyone who thinks this guy is distinguished as opposed to disgraceful needs to read Mark Steyn’s book about him. He’s a fraud – there it’s said again, and what support he has is a sad commentary about the global warming crowd. This is the guy the SLAPP lawsuit legislation was aimed at.

  9. A second term for Trump means the end for the Marxist takeover attempt. Now the Democrats have unmasked themselves. It is an interesting analogy but Mann seems to have it backwards. Is it not he and his cohorts who want complete control over everything people can and must do? Is it not Trump who is fighting to maintain freedoms and democracy- rhetorical question of course, yes it is.
    The narcissism of Mann and such people is staggering to me. then to pretend it is not he who is the evil one in the castle attempting to gain final and complete control and do away with pesky elections and personal freedoms. such arrogance is something to behold, after all does not Mann most resemble Smeagol when he is telling you to trust him, the temperature must not rise above some…phoney level.

    • “ A second term for Trump means the end for the Marxist takeover attempt.”

      It is a slowdown, but not the end. These people are sick and have indoctrinated our children. Government is their religion. Trump is a speed bump to a globalist world. I wish it weren’t the case.

      • Yes, just a slowdown.

        The U.S. takeover plan will continue toward apparently statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico and stacking the Supreme Court. Gone will be the first and second amendments, then enemies of the people will be dealt, some via lining them up against a wall.

        The useful idiots will deny this.

      • “These people are sick and have indoctrinated our children.”

        This is the big one.

        Online learning has revealed a lot of bad actor teachers out there.

        In Washington state, there is a Kindergarten teacher who, at the beginning of each class, tells her 5 year olds that they are on stolen land (stolen from Indians) and that they should feel guilty about that.

        There are other actual curricula that have students standing in a row, and taking a step forward or backward when statements are read. Those statements determine whether you have privilege or not. Those students who keep stepping forward are essentially shamed that their parents provided for them as parents should. Those who step backward are made to feel victimized by the privileged.

        Those are just two examples. Who knows what they’re telling the kids when there is no camera on them for parents to see.

      • Newsom has proposed that high school kids must take a course in ethnic studies before they can graduate.

      • While the rest of us non Marxist are away creating jobs and wealth (wealth is not money) these people have been using the wealth created to destroy us and the capitalist system . Most productive people find government and politics uninteresting and even boring but these Liberal Marxist insane people bath in it , luxuriate in it and in the US dominate it along with the MSM . They cannot survive or thrive in Private Business so they Migrate to Government and State positions where the competition is people like them so they rise in position and Power rapidly where they then hem themselves in and stay for decades sometimes , creating and achieving nothing .

        “The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”
        ― Thomas Sowell

        “Virtually no idea is too ridiculous to be accepted, even by very intelligent and highly educated people, if it provides a way for them to feel special and important. Some confuse that feeling with idealism.”
        ― Thomas Sowell
        It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.
        ― Thomas Sowell

    • There is no marxist takeover… there are hardly any Marxists in the world these days…

      The Democrats are a right wing organisation by European standards.

      to outside observers it doesn’t look like Trump upholds democracy…

      • We have the Green Party in NZ and a previous co-leader was very much a watermelon as his parents were members of the Australian communist party. If they were honestly involved in policies to save the environment I would be totally with them. It is just like the Forest and Bird Society. When it started I was very happy to be member. Now as it has become so political I want nothing to do with them as it has ceased to be about their true objectives. Sad.

        • Everybody, every party, everywhere is against degradation of our environment. Only some use it as a virtue signalling plank in their political platform and claim it as a measure of how they should be trusted to govern. Seems to me that politicians claiming they will do more for the environment are actually the ones who are just being manipulative of the voter pool.

      • Sorry Griff but you are deluded to think what you wrote. Most supposedly conservative right wing governments are so far left you could sink a ship.

        • “Sorry Griff but you are deluded to think what you wrote”</em.

          griff KNOWS that he is LYING through his ass !

          That is his purpose here to spread LIES and mal-information.

          Everyone here, including himself, KNOWS that he is nothing but an ignorant far-left stooge.

      • Griff wrote: “The Democrats are a right wing organisation by European standards.”

        Not any more. The Democrats have veered so far left they are now the equivalent of the Left in Europe. Both groups would impose restrictions on freedom of speech if given the political power, which the Europeans have, and use, so that puts them both in the same authoritarian category, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t like people telling me what I can and cannot say. Taking away free speech is the first step to tyranny.

        Griff wrote: “to outside observers it doesn’t look like Trump upholds democracy”

        Well, of course, you don’t speak for every outside observer, that’s just your opinion. I would be interested in how you think Trump has hampered democracy. I don’t expect you to answer given your history, but I would be interested in your reply if you did.

      • Griff, the USA is a republic. Our constitution guarantees it.

        Marxists dominate our universities. They poison the minds of our youth with such drivel as “The People’s History of the United States” and the 1619 Project.

        Marxists are behind the BLM movement. Their goal is not justice or racial equality but to remake our great nation as a Marxist state.

        Meanwhile, what the Marxists call “democracy” is anarchy and mob rule.

      • Griff, the Black Lives Matter organization are declared Marxists. In their words, not ours.

        There are Members of the Seattle City Council who are avowed Marxists.

        Stick your head back in the sand, you’re better off that way.

      • First griff says that there are no marxists, then he proclaims that the far left Democrats are right wing by European standards.

        The fool has managed to disprove his own case.

      • As usual, progressives declare that it is only democracy, when they win.

        Anyone who stands between them and OPM, is against democracy.

      • Stay clueless, griff.

        Name one way or instance “it doesn’t look like Trump upholds democracy.”

        Seems you “outside observers” aren’t observing at all.

      • Look in the mirror , griffool, , you will see a low-educated worm, bowing to marxist, socialist totalitarianism..

        One of those useless idiots they rely on for collaboration.

      • Griff, the above post by Don was for you…
        ““The problem isn’t that Griff can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Griff can’t think. The problem is that Griff doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”
        ― Thomas Sowell

      • “… there are hardly any Marxists in the world these days…”

        China: Population ~1.4 billion. Government: Unitary Marxist-Leninist.

        What color is the sky on your planet, griff?

  10. Mann has done more to discredit climate scientists than the climate itself. So I predict two things:
    1) Trump will win on Nov. 3.
    2) After 4 more years of Trump, the climate will still be much the same as it is now and Mann will still be making a fool of himself.
    Some things never change much.

    • If Trump wins on November 3rd and the Senate stays in GOP control, then I predict the Democratic Party will splinter in a soul-searching division into its various factions that are utterly incompatible with one another.

      The Party that has Michael Bloomberg giving them hundreds of millions to buy Congress and control its platform positions is utterly incongruent with the wing of the party that has socialists AOC, Bernie and Pocahontas. If Biden loses there will be no nationally recognizable name to lead the Party with the younger generations aside from that ignorant bartender called AOC and her even more ignorant squad members. The Obamas are too cozy with the pursuit of the building themselves towards a billionaire lifestyle with contacts in California to spend time in political trench warfare with Trump. Everyone else is currently in Democratic leadership positions are too old: the Clintons, Pelosi, Bloomberg, Schumer, Bernie. The very fact that the House Democrats have held onto 80 yr old Pelosi as their leader for so long is testament that there is no younger energy able to lead the Democrats out of the wilderness they will find themselves in. And that’s a good thing.

      • That sounds about right. Hopefully, a Trump win leads to the coup attempts being fully revealed and punishment for participants. Otherwise expect more of the same type of behavior.

        The founders were brilliant and created a remarkable system of governance. If Trump loses, hopefully survival doesn’t depend on the Proud Boys.

    • 3)And by 2024 there still will be no readily identifiable indication of climate change (Global warming) . Maybe a little cooler .

  11. Yeah, Climate Monsignor Mann correct… in a way.
    A second term for Trump will be Game-Over for the Climate Scam.

    The coming election is not about one man or the other. It is about the very future for 100 years.
    Do we want to continue as a Constitutional Republic?
    Or take a 1-way descent to Venezuela style Socialism and subservience to China?

    • The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance. If Trump holds on, the civil war just continues. We don’t secure the next 100 years. Every 4 years we will face the possibility that the Socialists take over and extinguish the wick in the lamp of Liberty.

      We could be looking at the Harris-¡Ocasio! Administration in 2024, the last elected President of the United States.

      If we get the Harris Administration (featuring Joe Biden), then the Constitution will just be terminated four years earlier.

      The Soviet Union lasted for almost 75 years, but probably would not have collapsed if it hadn’t faced the US led by Ronald Reagan. So if our descendants are lucky, the Democratic People’s Republic of America might collapse in a hundred years.

  12. Mann wrote, “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”…

    Reality is, “A second Trump term is game over for the CAGW Hoax—-Really!”

    There, now it’s fixed.

    • It wouldn’t really be game over. Trump hasn’t done a lot to dismantle the delusion of a climate crisis. I don’t think he could. Whenever he says something, whether it’s mean, benign, or saintly, they hate him more, because they’re told to.

      It’s funny, I listen to news/talk radio on KIRO out of Seattle. They’re a CBS affiliate, so at the top of every hour they have a CBS news break. Now that Trump has tested positive, they keep harping on about him not wearing a mask ever since the “panicdemic” started, ignoring all the talking head doctors who have repeatedly said that masks won’t keep you from getting it, only from spreading it (sort of) if you have it. So whether or not Trump wore a mask was completely irrelevant, especially considering how many times he’s been tested.

  13. So eminent, apparently, that his showcase piece, the faux hockey stick, has been thoroughly debunked. Never let facts get in the way of a good bit of propaganda. You can imagine what they would say about Dr Lindzen though.

  14. HOw can anyone take Mann seriously?

    He is a fraud, a joke, a clown. A red noise hockey stick, decline hiding, fake Nobel Prize clown.

  15. What has happened to the Steyn lawsuit which was, broadly, about whether the Hockey Stick was fraudulent. It should come to court in order to expose The Disgrace To The Profession even after all these years of American legal indecision about SLAPP.

  16. The CCN (Collectivised Crazies Network) led by the Guardian, must be the most biased, unscrupulous group of propagandists put together, since Goebbels was strutting his stuff, early last century.
    Back then, anyone who did not stand to attention and salute the leader, was locked up, cancelled and erased from history. That regime was so concerned about removing truth from society, they took to burning books, and celebrated doing it. Not too different to media providers today blocking out individuals, articles and comment they do not want the wider public to see, or hear! Sedition and contrary views was banned in 1984, remember?
    The champion of this piece, Mann, with his Mona Loa (sic) smile, even looks like one of the champions of that past totalitarian group, Himmler. He was similarly determined to remove resistance and rub out views the faux collective didn’t want to hear.
    All very troubling.

    • I do wonder whether this sort of absurd characterisation and abuse of political opponents, who are not very different in policy, is really helping American politics and society?

      It isn’t found to any great extent outside America.

      • “It isn’t found to any great extent outside America.”

        ….like in China…..Russia….Iran…..Saudi Arabia….. or most of Africa, where any absurd characterisation of a political opponent is dealt with errrr………. differently.

        I love Unicorns and rainbows don’t you?

        • I find it fascinating how those who proclaim that Trump is an evil fascist who’s a racist and sexist to boot, then turn around and whine about how politics has become so polarized.

      • Griff, here in canada the Trudeau liberals are tacking well to the left of the NDP, demonizing opponents, trying to jam through major changes and costs without parliamentary oversight, causing division and separatist tendency and massive discontent.
        Canada is become just as polarized as the USA and it’s because of over reach by the left.
        Again

      • “It isn’t found to any great extent outside America.

        Your delusion know no bounds, griffool.

        The angst against Trump from the ultra-left in the EU, UK etc is manifest.

        Look in the mirror… You are part of it. a slug-like marxist collaborator.

  17. The POTUS does not decide on global climate policy. For the next decades the policy of China and India, together with 2.75 bilion people, has far more impact.

  18. I just like to say, I hope the President recovers and there actually is an election on some sort of normal terms.

    My neighbours were pretty sick with the covid: it is a nasty beast…

      • Griff, we would like an election on ” normal terms” Thanks for that and the best wishes to President Trump.

        We want such an election as well.
        Meaning one where the American people know who won that night, and states don’t have 12 days to find more ballots, and people are encouraged to vote, but not harvested to vote. Where it is the individuals responsibility to make it to the polling booth, or absentee vote early. An election where armed black Panthers or ANTIFA OR BLM are not standing at polling places and are not intimidating voters, and an election where truckloads of ballots are not found last minute and the number of people voting does not exceed the registered.

  19. “The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us.”

    This is completely crazy. Its a common fallacious way of reasoning among climate activists however, and its not simply found in advocacy about America as a whole. It also featured in Newsome’s plans for California. You will find it about cities and even smaller institutions, as when some city or company proposes to become carbon neutral. And you also find it at the individual level, when people are urged to manage their ‘carbon footprint’.

    The invariable and fallacious assumption is that all local action directed at climate is both effective and necessary. So if you are in California, you will read about the necessity and the effectiveness of moving to electric cars.

    What you will never see is any estimate of how much effect that is going to have on global CO2 emissions.

    Similarly, Mann is in the grip of American effectiveness. In some unexplained way there is some unspecified thing that Biden can do, that Trump will not do, that will save the planet. But again, notice there is no statement about how much whatever it is will affect global CO2 emissions.

    This is a universal feature of climate activist policy advocacies in all countries. In the UK for instance, the elimination of ICE cars is justified on the grounds that it will help save the planet.

    But if you look at the numbers, the UK is doing about 1% of global emissions, and the measure will save a small percentage of its total 450 million tons. The effect on global emissions and the climate (even admitting there is a connection) will be so small as to be unmeasurable.

    The climate movement is characterized by two things. One is constant demands to do things which on their own theory will have no effect on what they claim to believe is the problem.

    The second is the refusal to advocate what, on their own theory, should be required and effective to solve what they claim to believe is the problem.

    So, don’t demand things that will really reduce national emissions. Don’t demand China reduces. When it comes to saving the planet, advocate stuff like turning off standby household electronics, or replacing a few ICE cars with electric. But when it comes to a simple mathematical argument, that we cannot possibly get globally to 5 billion tons of emissions while China emits 10 billion and rising…. well, change the argument from how important it is to make emission reductions to save the planet to arguing that its not fair China should have to reduce.

    Are you trying to save the planet by reducing emissions or not? That is the question to ask, and to keep asking.

    • “The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us.”
      There are 328 million people living in the US, but there are 7.5 bilion people in the world, of which the majority will double their carbon footprint the coming decades.

      So no.

  20. The One Ring is essentially power. Power corrupts, especially when associated with an ideology, and especially religious ideology.

    I believe what Tolkien refers to as the metaphor of the One Ring being destroyed, is to abandon the old ways of religion and ideology, and its control over the mind. Ideology gives people comfort, and ideology gives leaders power and sway over people, just like the Ring does. But it is simply too corruptible as a way of living in the world.

    ‘Many fare things will fade’, which alludes to much art and symbolism associated with religion and ideology fading away, when religion subsides into a contemporary technological society. People said science made life lose its (ideological) beauty, or as Keats said: Newton “unweaved the rainbow” by reducing it to its prismatic colors, and so diminished beauty. I think this is to some extent true, but it was a religious-based beauty that was never real to begin with. The One Ring and ideological means to power is essentially an illusion to begin with.

    • ” The One Ring is essentially power. Power corrupts, especially when associated with an ideology, and especially religious ideology.”.

      Nope sorry but I think not. Most all want power. Most all do not want to be dictated to. Power itself does not corrupt, it reveals corruption. The specific corruption it reveals is power OVER OTHERS.

      Power over your own life, power to choose your profession, your home, your land, your spouse, is desired by most everyone. Power OVER OTHERS, either individually or in group form, is the basis of most all crime, rape, theft murder, etc… The one Ring to rule them all was power over others. “Government is a necessary evil”

      As to religious ideology, no, religious ideology is no more vulnerable to the one Ring of Power over Others then non religious ideology. (Perhaps it is less so when the ahimsa, or non violent principles embedded within Christianity and Hinduism are properly understood. After all, the founding of the United States was based on protecting individual liberty from Group Power, be it religious or political or corporate, and they used Christian principles to reach that freedom philosophy)

      Look what happened when the non – religious achieved political power, over 140 million dead by their OWN government! Then add in the wars caused by lust of power over others. Power reveals corruption. No longer hampered by conscience or golden rules, the power mad tyrants were free to destroy.

      In the L.O.T.R. both Gandolf and Gladriel have a moment where the ring is offered to them. Gladriel envisions herself destroying Sauron, and then sees that she becomes just like him. They both pass the test, and refuse to succumb to the temptation of Power Over Others.
      “Such is the nature of the Tyrant, when he first appears he is a protector”. (Plato)

  21. Mann does resemble Gollum, doesn’t he?

    I like President Trump as Aragorn – The Return of the King.

  22. If by “game over” Mann means that he will shut up, that’s one more reason to vote for Trump!

    (That is, besides the fact that Biden’s party will continue burning our cities to the ground if he wins, which is bound to have climate effects.)

  23. If you deconstruct Mann’s diatribe he is saying that the world will be destroyed within FOUR years if Trump is returned. FOUR YEARS, Michael?? Even Hansen didn’t get that close. Think: how long since you brought your illegitimate child – your hockey stick – into the world? The place looks pretty much as it did then, more than 20 years ago.

  24. I agree with Mann, it’s game over for the climate if Trump wins as arsonists and protestors set fire to everything.

    • Jeff,
      I would go with the “or something”. Someone once described him as “a real piece of work” I believe that means, something less than desirable in American jargon….

      • From https://grammarist.com/idiom/a-piece-of-work/

        A piece of work
        A piece of work is a phrase that dates back to Shakespeare’s time, however, it has taken on an idiomatic meaning in addition to its literal meaning. We will examine the definitions of a piece of work, where this term came from and some examples of its use in sentences.

        The literal meaning of the term a piece of work is a work is the product produced through someone’s efforts. However, a piece of work is also used as an idiom to describe someone who is unpleasant, dishonest, hard to deal with, of low character. When used in this fashion, a piece of work is a derogatory phrase. The term is found in Shakespeare’s Hamlet: “What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties…” In this case, the term is used literally. Around the turn of the twentieth century, the term was used in Britain to describe someone hard to deal with or of low character in the phrase a nasty piece of work. The term migrated to the United States, where by the 1970s it was used without the modifier nasty, and simply evolved into the idiom a piece of work or sometimes, a real piece of work.

        I would have added that it likely was originally used sarcastically often enough to become an idiom.

  25. Well, at least he isn’t wishing for Trump to become incapacitated or die! That is a considerable step up from what a good portion of the Hollywood and Washington media types have been saying and openly wishing for.

  26. “Mann, 54, has published hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers”

    hundreds? I doubt it.

  27. So the “Science is Settled”, “Inconvertible Proof” “97% of All Scientists Agree” can all be overturned by one man. Crikey!

    Wishing Donald and Melania and everyone all the best.

  28. As usual, Mikey PantsOnFire Mann gets it completely backwards. It is he who is working on the side of Evil, the side that wants to both enslave and make us all poorer. His is the side which if successful, will actually kill people, as it will lower standards of living. There are parallels with the Climate Campaign Mann is involved with, and Nazism. Joseph Goebbels said: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
    Like him or hate him, Trump stands as perhaps the last bastion against the Biggest Lie in the history of humanity, that we in fact control climate, via our CO2 emissions.

  29. I can’t think of a single thing Trump has done which would negate the silly “solutions” that many states have enacted. And the Feds are still providing subsidies for useless “solutions” (wind/solar) and also large electric car subsidies.although finally the DOE is meting out some (relatively small) subsidies for advanced molten salt nuclear reactors, which anyone who understands power generations can tell you, will be the dominant power generation technology in the near future. Michael Mann is just plain DUMB, and I mean DUMB.
    Apparently no brains are required to be a “Distinguished professor” at Penn State. As I recall, his last university employer kicked him out the door.

  30. It is becoming increasingly clear where Dr. Mann resides.
    See the official London House of Lords government policy report :
    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201719/ldselect/ldintrel/250/250.pdf
    British Foreign Policy in a Shifting World, Paragraph 39 (my bold) :
    39.However, the difficulty the UK and its allies have faced in trying to influence the US demonstrates the challenge of working with the Administration. How damaging this will be to what has hitherto been the UK’s most important international relationship will depend on whether the current approach is an enduring trend. Should President Trump win a second term, or a similar Administration succeed him, the damage to UK–US relations will be longer lasting; and the Government will need to place less reliance on reaching a common US/UK approach to the main issues of the day than has often been the case in the past.

    This UK Government policy paper makes it perfectly clear, no Trump Second Term.

    How very charmingly Dr. Michael Mann reads from the British script, what?

    We already know Mike Pompeo takes his orders from the British Henry Jackson Society at the In and Out Club, led by Sir Dearlove, ex-MI6 chief, the source of the Russiagate hoax, and now lately the Chinagate hoax. Pompeo has isolated the US beyond belief, to whose benefit?

    • “We already know Mike Pompeo takes his orders from the British Henry Jackson Society at the In and Out Club”

      How do we know that?

      • The US isolated?

        India 120 thousand fans gave President Trump numerous long standing ovations. President Trump is quite popular in Japan. Many European nations, resistant to global government and the unelected burecrats if the EU, support President Trump. Mexico has come a long ways to embracing the President’s economic plan. South Korea as well.
        Who hates President Trump. Those that want global government, power over others, and the global business corporations that want monopoly powers. In short, fascism on a international scale, Wall St vs Main Street) As President Trump said, trillions are at stake.

  31. Climate change is not about climate; it’s about the people who promote it. Here’s an example: ““The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us.”

  32. Once again Mann proves he only reads the cliff notes version of any story. Eh, who am I kidding, he probably only saw the movies.

  33. From the article: “The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us. The way we end this national and global nightmare is by coming out and voting for optimism over pessimism, for hope and justice and progress over fear and malice and superstition. This is a Tolkienesque battle between good and evil, and Sauron needs to be defeated on election day here in the United States.”

    Michael Mann says: Black is white, and white is black.

    Michael Mann (and the entire Left) lives on Bizzaro World where everything is the opposite of the real world. On Bizzaro world the Left are he good guys and the Right are the bad guys.

    The real danger to the world is if Trump is not re-elected.

    Trump seems to be doing ok at Walter Reed Hospital. Trump is getting treated correctly: They are trying to reduce his viral load right from the day he tested positive. This is what should be happening to everyone who tests positive for the Wuhan virus. The sooner the virus can be eliminated from the body the better it is for that body. That should be the focus for treating the Wuhan virus.

    • Trump’s White House doctor said about an hour ago that Trump no longer had a fever.

      That’s a good sign when you have a fever and it goes away. Maybe Trump and all his fans will get lucky and he’ll either have a mild case of the Wuhan virus, or the drugs they are giving him will keep it mild.

  34. Why are these climate wroughters one trick ponies? Twenty years ago he fashioned the climate hockey stick which then immediately bent back down flat for 18yrs and poof most of his career has gone by. Trenberth made a model of the earths atmosphere heat budget, opined it was a travesty they couldn’t explain the “Dreaded Pause” and then 18yrs went by with him searching for the “missing” heat. Hansen had to postpone the inundation of the Westside Hwy in Manhattan from 2000 to 2020 and he still rails on about 20ft above the highway by 2100.

    How much have we paid these guys for their ‘single minded’ careers and pensions?

    • “How much have we paid these guys for their ‘single minded’ careers and pensions?”

      Too much! They ought to be paying us back. Restitution, I thinks it’s called.

  35. @Eric – ah, another one who struggled through the Silmarillion. (In a few hundred years, that will have the same place in the hearts of Lit majors as Beowulf and Canterbury Tales.)

    In any case, I have suddenly realized how lucky we are that The Mann elected to become a climate “scientist.” Imagine this paranoid nutcase with a solid grounding in nuclear physics or genetic engineering. Shudder…

  36. Regarding the added note at the end about Morgoth, you know his actual name was Melkor right?

      • I read “The Silmarillion” a few decades ago. Tolkien’s son complied it from notes he found after his father died. (Might explain why it’s tough reading.) Tolkein had invented an entire mythology behind “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of The Rings”.
        The two trees were sources of great light which the “High Elves”, who had travelled from middle to Valar, had captured in three jewel called “The Silmarillion”. (Galadrial was a High Elf.)
        Several chapters after the tree were killed by Shelob’s great, great, great …. something, a man named Elendil, with his elf wife, recovered one of the three jewels.
        To make a long story short, for those who have only seen the movies, he was sent to sail the sky with the jewel on the bow of his ship. “The light of Elendil” captured is in the vial Galadriel have him.

        • Another side note.
          The Riders of Rohan always struck me as Vikings on horseback.
          (The Harvard Lampoon’s, “Bored of the Rings” is a fun read.
          Some of the jokes are dated. (The Riders of Rohan are called “The Riders of Roi-Tan”, a cigar brand at the time.)

    • The introduction says he is the be all and end all of climate science

      Which is an accurate indication of his fraudulent nature.

      As the public face of this, he should most closely ponder what Tommy Wils said in a climategate email

  37. In a world full of useful idiots,who look good dressed up in a suit,how come “The Mann” is all these publicity hounds have?
    Poor fellow is the mockery of Climatology,encapsulated in one round bodied prat.
    Time must be very tough over at Team Headquarters,shunted from media attention by The Dread Covid and swept from most taxpayers attention by the poverty imposed by the Panicked Covid Shutdowns.
    And now desperately trying to hold some media attention,they trot forth Michael Mann?

  38. Man is 54? He is in pretty poor health. He should worry about that.
    The planet will be fine long after he is gone.

  39. Question: I always thought that anyone who fudges their data to earn a degree is automatically “kicked out of the program.” Or does it not apply to professors publishing. Guess not if it is Penn State University. Truly disgraceful. Signed, Naive Ned, PhD 🙂

  40. ..”This is a Tolkienesque battle between good and evil, and Sauron needs to be defeated on election day here in the United States.”
    ============
    Wow.
    I usually reserve such vitriol towards an ant invasion of my kitchen.
    They too, have a need.

  41. I well remember the climate screaming in terror in the late 1780’s to the ratification of the US Declaration, poor climate new the wrong types of president would slowly rape it to death.
    signed: M. Mann
    10-3-2020 @ 1357hrs EDT

    • I well remember looking at the rings of that poor cherry tree that washington murdered.
      and I wept. I wept and wept and wept some more.
      wept is the correct term for sexual self gratification correct?
      no matter, I got some college papers written to cement by career of weeping.
      signed: M. Mann
      10-3-2020 @ 1615hrs EDT

  42. no scientist would ever make such a statement……mann is a raving idiot IF he believes any of the stuff he writes or says

  43. “Another four years of what we’ve seen under Trump, which is to outsource environmental and energy policy to the polluters…and climate change is finished” How could anyone believe this. The issue for global emissions is China. China, repeat China. In 2019 and 2020, global emission have fallen everywhere in the world, expect for China. China is not responsible for some growth in carbon emissions, it is responsible for ALL growth in carbon emissions, plus some. At least China has no issues with air pollution, wrong, besides having the worst air pollution in the world with daylight second, pollution has increased 60% in the last decade alone. As for China and the Obama effect. “Made in China”, does not result in a cleaner world, only an increase in tariffs on Chinese goods can limit some of the “Made in China” effect.

  44. Mann-made Gore-bal warming has been nothing be a rent seeking scam from the git-go. The pols piled on when they saw they could use it as an excuse to take freedoms away.

    If PDT can get reelected, he’s going to have his EPA take the really stupid SCOTUS finding that CO2 is a pollutant and get it tossed based on actual science. One more reason to vote for him.

  45. You mean “Hockey Stick” Mann? Ha! He’s only distinguished at filing grants and making up data!

  46. So much irrelevant nonsense, as usual.

    Couple of points:

    1. There isn’t going to be a Trump second term, and it’s got nothing to do with bloody climate whatever. Climate ranks very low on the scale of things that affect voter choice of candidate. Trump will lose because he’s been an astonishingly bad President, and an astoundingly bad human being that has turned the US into a laughing stock in the rest of the world. His shameful behaviour during the last “debate” is testament to that.
    The climate battle is over and the ‘skeptics’ lost, which is a crying shame, considering that we’re correct, and the Eco-Taleban is wrong. There was a slim chance that the skeptic viewpoint would win out, up to the moment that Trump became the Republican candidate and it became widely know that he didn’t buy the whole climate change thing. Of course, being a pig-ignorant numbskull, he didn’t arrive at that by a careful analysis of the data, a thorough knowledge of the issues and the science, or even from listening to different sides of the argument or expert opinion. His opinion is based on the fact that it’s bad for business, it’s bad for his friends and supporters business, and lots of US corporations won’t make as much money if things have to change.
    With depressing predictability, the vast majority of the ‘skeptical community’ found themselves in agreement with Trump on that one issue, and naively jumped onto his bandwagon and bought into the rest of the repugnant garbage that goes along with it. So obviously, the skeptics aren’t nearly as smart as they otherwise appear or they wouldn’t touch Trumpism with a 10ft pole. Perhaps most of them were already rabid right-wing nutters and we just didn’t notice. And so climate change skepticism became synonymous with Trumpism. Which is wrong.
    Consider how things look from your opponents perspective. Trump – odious piece of vile filth, thick as two short planks, fascist, liar, misogynist, corrupt – now has climate skeptics as supporters. Obviously, anyone who a) supports Trump and b) denies climate change is a real thing, is beneath contempt and may safely be ignored.
    And so it came to pass. Imagine you are a curious person, not sure about the truth of climate change, and in the course of researching the topic you come across this site. Every single topic, however irrelevant, is turned into a foaming mouthed Trump-fest. What right-minded person would want to be associated with that, much less be persuaded by it? I frequently read the comments here and I’m aghast at the utter garbage, the immature, vacuous, ignorant and just plain wrong. On and on it goes, the steaming pile of dung grows bigger by the hour. And yet, you stand on top of it, with your Made in China “Trump 2020” flag planted on the summit as if you’d simultaneously cured cancer, landed on Mars and unified General Relativity and Quantum theory. Actually, you just look like a bunch of twats.
    2. Marxists! Marxists and marxism everywhere! Doesn’t support Trump? Marxist! Thinks having cleaner air and water is generally not a bad idea? Marxist! Thinks that companies should have some restrictions placed on them, so they don’t poison or injure people with their products or just f*ck up the place in the desperate quest to increase shareholder value? Marxist!
    If you live in the US, only have experience of the US and US politics, then you need to shut the f*ck up. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You wouldn’t know a Marxist if one whacked you in the face with a copy of Das Kapital. US politics is one party with two Right wings. Put the Democrats into any European country and they’d be on the Right. Not Marxist. Not even Socialist. Not even slightly left of centre. If you disagree, you either American, an idiot, or both. Twats.

    Some good news though – the leader of the Free World has tested negative for coronavirus! That’s Angela Merkel, by the way.

    108 days and counting.

    Note: I am not related to Michael Mann, and do not support him or what he says in any way. I find him to be as obnoxious and fake as One-Term Trump. I regard them both with equal contempt. Just in case you were tempted to equate sharing the same surname with anything. Of course, some of you will do just that, because you are twats.

    • Quite the screed.
      Did I miss them, or were your ideas for fixing things lost in the mix ?
      Just asking, one twat to another.

      • Adrian missed a lot. He missed 120k in India giving President Trump numerous standing ovations. He missed tremendous support in Japan and in several European nations, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and other nations. He missed lowest black unemployment ever, biggest increase in spending power in many years, amazing international trade deals, a steady refusal to get locked into foreign wars, weakening the pharmaceutical monopoly, passively but effectively resisting CAGW alarmism, forcing EU nations to take responsibility for their own defense, a 100 percent increase in the arrest of pedophiles, prison reform, etc…

    • Yoh! Adrian!
      Someone once said that it’s best to Judge a man by what he actually accomplishes, not his actions. You don’t like Trump – got it – his style/personality can be grating. I get that, but I like his RESULTS, especially as the current cesspool has tried mightily to stop everything he’s accomplished – sausage making and politics are ugly. Complaining about the ‘process’ when you have no say in the ‘rules’ and the deck is HEAVILY stacked against you is just complaining about how a man works the process and ‘rules‘ to HiS best advantage to accomplish his goals, which I support.
      Politics is VERY nasty – Trump is over the Target, the opposition knows, is extremely desperate, and will do ANYTHING to beat him. Chivalry is gone- I don’t care what it takes for him to defeat that swamp – we just need it done.
      Judging a Mann by his accomplishments however, is easy, at least the Mann who wrote the column we’re commenting on.

    • “Of course, being a pig-ignorant numbskull, he didn’t arrive at that by a careful analysis of the data, a thorough knowledge of the issues and the science, or even from listening to different sides of the argument or expert opinion. His opinion is based on the fact that it’s bad for business, it’s bad for his friends and supporters business, and lots of US corporations won’t make as much money if things have to change.”

      I would think that only a mindreader could have such knowledge of Trump’s motives. Are you a mindreader? Please justify these assertions, or quit making them.

  47. “A second Trump term is game over for the climate scam – really!”

    Fixed that for ya Mikey. Watching folks like Mikey Man meltdown is just one more reason to vote for Trump this election.

  48. The “Mann” speaks once more.
    Micheal Mann is a gift to sceptics,for no fiction writer could have invented a character so toxic to the cause he espouses.
    Almost Mr Anti Climatology or the Gilbert And Sullivan model of a modern Climate Creationist.

  49. The self-proclaimed climate ‘prophet’ has spoken. This fraudster belongs in State Pen for his hockey schtick. He should start critizising his puppet masters over in Bejing for their CO2 footprint, and stop talking nonsense about CO2 emissions in the US, Europe, Japan, South Korea or any other democratic region of the world. In democracies, we use the scientific method, not som confusius post-scientific propaganda theory of how science is conducted. His bullshit theory based on long ago falsified guesswork, fraudulent computer models and falsified climate data has been debunked by real scientists a million times already.

    He now has a go at president Trump, like if he did something wrong. We all know that US CO2 emissions have dropped steadily as coal powered electricity has been replaced by electricity from oil and natural gas. At the same time his communist friends keep spewing out more CO2 than ever before, and have been given the go-ahead by Obama and Biden when these two ‘democrats’, who almost toppled the US republic, when they signed the un-scientific Paris Agreement, letting China keep polluting all they want until 2035.

    Take Your bullshit with You and go home, Mike, we are discussing science here, not communist propaganda.

  50. Just heard a CBS 60 minutes Radio report on the Calif fires, Atlantic Storm Season, Ice Sheet Melt,
    caused by Climate change. Interviewing Hanson as a Genius for Predicting this 2020 year in 1987.
    Then Mr. Mann. Then Trump recordings to make him look Silly. Very Good Propaganda Piece.

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