A couple of days ago, I mentioned that WUWT was being deplatformed by our current hosting provider.
We are moving again, after 2+ years on this hosting provider, we are headed back to where we originally were on wordpress.com where their cloud servers can handle the load, the DDoS attacks, and other issues that come with running a world-class website.
To that end, so we don’t lose comments and content, I’m putting new posts on hold for at least a day. I’ll have one “Friday Funny” tomorrow that will appear below this one, and then that’s it until we get settled again.
I wish to thank everyone who has donated towards covering the cost of the move (it wasn’t insignificant, and I had to hire a consultant). I didn’t even ask for donations, and yet, there they were, rolling in.
It is a testament to the kindness and character of our readers. I’ll let you know when we are back up on the new site, and what sort of things you might have to do (like clearing cache etc) to access it right away.
Sincere thanks for your patience. – Anthony
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Thanks for your continuous efforts keeping it going all these years. I have tightened the safety belt and will see WUWT on the other side.
Thanks for the update and good news.
Tried to make a donation but it said it required my phone number so I cancelled out. My phone number is not required to charge my credit card. Can you fix it? Don’t remember that from previous donations and am not supplying it. Some days I get more junk messages and calls than valid phone calls.
Just made donation using Paypal as usual, no phone number required. You could try that, Bob.
I don’t have a Paypal account, which seems to be the issue. The donation appears to be routed or managed via Paypal regardless, as stated at the bottom, “View PayPal policies and your payment method rights.” Paypal doesn’t need my phone number to process a credit card transaction. I have made donations to WUWT before without this obstruction.
Give it a fake 555 number? Yes, I know, if it like many things anymore wants to send something to your cellphone for confirmation, it wouldn’t work.
beng135 – hadn’t thought of that, duh… it worked!
Thanks for donating $100.00 USD to
WattsUpWithThat
I picked an 888-555-xxxx number at random and called it and got “your call cannot be completed as dialed” message, so that’s what I used…
Thanks for all you do, Anthony…
When Ma Bell switched us to digital dialing and area codes in the 60’s, they created the fake area code of 555 for theatrical and movie dialog. To this day 555 is still bogus and some phone number beg boxes are not attuned to that. Some are.
However, the person “Nunya Bidness” has multiple accounts with hundreds of legitimate phone numbers.
Always stir their stuff counter clockwise.
It is probably worth getting a PayPal account just for online payments, it all works very easily. Also using a mobile for 2-factor authentication for all payments is just going to get more and more common.
I won’t use paypal because they are woke and cancel people.
Thanks for the head up and I hope the changeover goes well.
best site on the internet!!! Thank you Anthony for all you do. Thanks to the various moderators and other’s who keep this very busy site running. Thanks too, to the commentors who keep things interesting. There’s a TON of knowledge to be had here, let’s hope it is never silenced!
Good comments,Ted
Thanks Anthony and good luck with the transition!
Godspeed
When You Tube censored Stephan Molyneau, I knew it was the end of the First Amendment. Google, and the little balding Jew at Facebook are just as bad.
“the little balding atheist of Hebrew descent at Facebook”
??
Easy there tiger
Stan, the First Amendment puts a restriction on government, not private business like Google (which owns YouTube).
True, yet at what point is the medium of communication not considered a public airway, and first amendment rights would apply?
They certainly do restrict private businesses (hiring, renting, food, finance, the list is endless). They also severely restrict monopolies, which Google and their fascist brethren are.
So they don’t need section 230? That’s funny. Time to repeal.
Repealing 230 gives them a mandate and motivation to censor. 230 was put in so they could not be held responsible for comments and would have no need to censor beyond obviously criminal posts (eg child pornography). Social media want 230 to be repealed so they can censor without competitors who wont censor with 230 in place grabbing their business. Pretty much every blog would have to shut down their comment sections if they removed 230.
What needs to happen is enforcement of 230.
They don’t want 230 repealed. That’s why they whine and squirm so much when it’s talked about. They don’t have the capability to censor literally everything for libelous content, which is the vast majority of the questionable content and some people would probably purposefully libel people just to cause companies to get sued. Social media as we know it would go away, but not social technology. New products would arise to meet the “needs” of this market. Of course, FUbook and Twitter couldn’t possibly exist and they know it which is why they squirm so much. Parler is new. Wouldn’t it just be easier, and far easier for them, if they’d just stop acting like publishers which they can’t be under section 230? It isn’t that hard to be like the neutral platforms that they were a decade ago, even 6 or 7 years ago. I’d prefer to see them all go and be replaced by a new product if they’re just going to be like nytimes.com.
Moderation?
WTF does his religion or ethnicity have to do with anything? Or his size for that matter? Whoever you mean by this.
Idiotic and ignorant remarks like this give the site a bad name.
Agreed. Attributing someone’s bad actions to their ethnicity, or trying to denigrate a bad actor by referring to their ethnicity as if it were a flaw, is itself an offense against decency.
If we do not insist on each person being treated as an individual born with equal dignity, eventually we will all be oppressed as members of a disfavored group.
Please don’t tarnish the reputation of others here with that sort of prejudice.
I do not with agree his thoughts.
What are yall asking for is not freedom but censorship.
We are creatures of freewill, which means we have the freedom to live, love, and hate.
Why, do we want not want those who have these thoughts to self-identify?
Self control and common decency is what I was counseling, and I did not call for censorship.
There are any number of intemperate thoughts that if expressed, might encourage others to act. The role that civil society used to play in causing people to self-moderate needs to be revived. There are views that should remain legal to express, which nevertheless should bear the consequence of putting a person outside the bounds of respectability.
At the same time, if a person makes an unfortunate remark and apologizes for the error, we ought to accept the apology and move on, as opposed to dredging it up decades late to “cancel” the person.
Rich: My thoughts exactly.
Stan Sexton, please don’t mention somebody’s religion. This is a science site, not a theology site.
Stan Sexton – your comment is antisemitic and should be removed.
MODERATION REQUIRED!
Hold on Jay. No one was harmed in the making of this comment which is the only reasonable standard for censorship. Slip below that standard and there is no bottom eventually removing comments the moderator disagrees with. That’s what happened to me on Skeptical Science. (A waste of time anyway)
Disparaging race and religion is obviously offensive and not up to the ethical standards of this site. Hopefully the writer has learned a lesson.
BTW, This is not easy to write because of the personal attack on the condition of my pate.
Yeah, I saw it last night, and rather than snip it, I preferred to let the users respond to it.
I agree with your decision. We Jews are pretty tough. That’s why we are still around after millennia of irrational and ignorant hatred aimed at us.
Well, if you are going to leave it, it is correct and essential to have a moderation post stating that you are, and why.
I’d have deleted it and explained why, but there you go. In the same way I’d have deleted any post referring to any physical or ethnic or religious characteristics of an individual in an attempt to denigrate them.
Leave this stuff unchallenged and you open the floodgates.
I don’t think hate speech should be tolerated, but that’s just my opinion.
Charles Rotter,
I think you need to be guided by the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and its 11 contemporary examples.
In particular;
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
You need to explain how you think his words do not fall into this category.
[Reply: Yeah, I thought about adding a warning or caveat, but I was too busy planning next week’s weather-cr]
Yeah. And the crack about us baldies also.
Citizen Smith. Yes, thanks good point. I’m not as sure as I was before.
Eh, the son keeps threatening to polish my dome in the middle of the night. Doesn’t bother me. Although I have forbidden black shoe polish, I get myself into enough trouble…
What I do object to is “Jew” – as I noted above, the “Z-Man” is an atheist of Hebrew descent, no more, no less. Calling him such is an insult to followers of Judaism, just the same as calling creatures like Pelosi and her merry gang of abortionists “Catholics.”
Yeah, I’ll jump on this, too. Mean and vicious don’t belong here.
Surely this obnoxious anti-semitic comment is a plant by Climate fanatics. in order to discredit this fantastic site. That there appear to be other genuine comments supporting it is alarming. I am a right wing (Thatcherite) UK follower of this site, but I am frankly horrified that this comment should be given space. Freedom of speech has always had limits: anti-semtic insults falls way outside those boundaries. Those who think this is a trivial issue are merely the “useful idiots” of the Jew haters. Oh, and I am not a Jew, but an evangelical Christian.
Keep up the good work WUWT, but guard yourself from sabotage.
Quite. The chances are very high its trolling.
It is Freedom of Speech. Not Freedom from Speech.
Please read the following by Andrew P. Napolitano:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/15/a-brief-history-of-the-freedom-of-speech-in-americ/
Here’s a quote from that article:
“The speech we love needs no protection. The speech we hate does. The government has no authority to evaluate speech. As the framers understood, all persons have a natural right to think as we wish and to say and publish whatever we think. Even hateful, hurtful and harmful speech is protected speech.”
Freedom of Speech is an inalienable right derived from our freewill.
I think we, the normal posters here at WUWT, have made our point without being becoming hypocrites in the process. Thank you mods for not removing it. We have all been silenced for our Speech at various other sites of “Science”. To complain about it then do it to others is not the way to go about these things. Challenge the person; question why do think person as to why the think the way they do.
However, I am also not opposed to the “No Shirt, No Shoes, and a foul mouth — no service.” rule.
To add to my comment above:
“I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.” — Voltaire (1694-1778)
Too bad Voltaire didn’t live a few more years. He would have had a chance to demonstrate his commitment to this proposition.
Given the trends in Europe (consider Naomi Seibt’s saga), I’d be a bit concerned that this sort of comment is a setup to get WUWT sanctioned with financial penalties by the EUSSR authorities. Lawfare is a favorite tactic of the ecofascists. Going after WUWT on the basis of trumped up charges of tolerating hate speech would be no surprise. Of course it’s only a matter of time before it will be an actual crime to question the climate dogma in Europe. The light of liberty has long been flickering and dimming all over the continent.
To quote Voltaire-“It is clear that a person who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion is a monster.”
The deplatforming and persecution of those that do not go along with the far left line is an abomination.
While there could be logical doubts about the real reasons behind the deplatforming, the truth is that so far, the only alleged reason by Anthony is a change in the price. I wouldn’t run into conclussions too fast. If it is a price change that only affects WUWT, then we could talk about an attack to freedom of speech, but it is possible that it affects other clients of the same platform in a similar situation of traffic etc.
I wish that Anthony could give more details about this conditions change, and I hope those explanations will come once the move is completed. It may happen that it is dangerous for WUWT to provide the details before it is completely out of reach by the previous provider.
The pointing donkey image and the caption “Get Out” hint strongly that there is a political motive, as does the word “deplatforming.”
Yeah, I’ll jump on this, too. Mean and vicious don’t belong here. Anthony runs a classy site.
Voltaire’s record in the bigotry department isn’t great:
http://www.oodegr.com/english/atheismos/diafwt_ratsism.htm
Whatever happened to “sticks and stones….”?
“A witty saying proves nothing.”
~Voltaire
Neither does a long dissertation. It’s all in the content. Truth can be conveyed succinctly.
Wishing you and your technical staff a glitch-free move, and a big thanks for maintaining the website.
Best of luck in your efforts to keep the site up, and especially most relevant!!!
Dear Anthony Watts,
I and many others appreciate you very much… Almost 6 years to the day, I was feeling ‘climatic and quickly typed out a cat 4 Iselle hurricane article comment and shazam, you posted it…. Every once in awhile I go and check it using your fabolous search engine, just by entering
upcountrywater
We know Iselle died on the big island.. yet the AGW cultists have it living well past it’s dead date…
Let the fun continue…And many blessings with your new site…K
Hi Anthony. I’ve been with you from the almost the beginning. I have retried from construction and moved into indoor advertising business. My website is hosted by
CeraNet | Data Center Solutions | Cloud Computing …
https://www.cera.net
They have been in business for a very long time and host some of the largest businesses in the world. They have backups after backups after backups plus Natural Gas backup generators. This is not a fly-by-night operation.
All the best with the move, see you on the other side………
All I know is this site is good and I’m ok paying to use it.
Anthony,
Based on your description, you are not being “deplatformed”. You appear to be voluntarily “replatforming” the site for financial and technical reasons. No one is trying to suppress your views by kicking you off their forum.
Please, let’s not fall into the trap of using emotionally-charged language to dramatize the situation, like the alarmists do.
@PJ
It seems you are making an assumption to things you for which nor I have no further information.
I am not drawing any inferences based on the short notification.
Really all we know, is that the hosting provider did “x” thing that caused WUWT to do “y” thing. Until the equation is derived we cannot draw any excel, matlab, octave, or R graphs.
Based on your description, you are not being “deplatformed”. You appear to be voluntarily “replatforming” the site for financial and technical reasons. No one is trying to suppress your views by kicking you off their forum.
If there is an extraordinary price increase and no justification is done then for us outsiders something feels not quite right.
It would in a practical sense be deplatforming if the price-hike was purposely unreasonable.
Maybe, or maybe not. Vdare announced a few weeks ago that they, too, were being deplatformed and they were much more forthcoming with allegations that it was censorship. They still aren’t deplatorrmed, yet.
Keep up the great work. Your contributions are invaluable.
Anthony,
Thanks. We look forward to the new WUWY web posting.
WUWT rocks.
Danley Wolfe
Lewis Center, OH
just checking ….
that’s what I thought 🙂
I was very glad to contribute. I probably should have contributed in the past but this seemed like a good time to start. Very glad to mark this site as one of my favorites. 🙂
Funds flung.
Related topic?
Websites Crash Worldwide as Cloudflare Suffers Outage
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/17/websites-crash-worldwide-as-cloudflare-suffers-outage/
I think it’s my fault. Just the other day I suggested WUWT use cloudflare and self-hosted server.
😉
Thanks for all of your work, Anthony. I have just donated to help out with the move.
Had anyone got any comments on this link please
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/70/1/8/5610806
It was referred to me by a warmist scientist I have been engaging, or note like, jerkng his chain for about a year now
Had anyone got any comments on this link please
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/70/1/8/5610806
It was referred to me by a warmist scientist I have been engaging, or more like, jerkng his chain for about a year now
K of Qld,
A response.
The graphs starting 1980 present a cherry pick. Different implications arise if the long term pattern is shown, esp for times before CO 2 could have been involved.
For example, sea levels have changed at the same rate since the first tide gauges. CO2 was supposed to have heated the seas and raised their levels. This is a core global warming belief that is shown to be wrong.
Geoff S
Thanks for the answer
This is one of his posts he has answeref me with
Firstly Lomberg is a debunkeed joke.
I think you really need to read a little more about what Shellenberg thinks. He is not aligned with you. And just what have I posted that is alarmist? And again it is indisputable that the sea levels have and are rising. I gave but one small reference; do you have one? Or are you being alarmist?
And how about this subgroup of the 99% (not, again, a mere 97%, try for some facts):
WUWT is for post-graduate studies at the University of Life.
Thanks to Anthony and your mods for the space to breath.