BBC Asks Dr. Willie Soon to Respond to Climate Conspiracy Claims

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The BBC has belatedly decided they need at least a little input from one of the targets of their latest big oil climate conspiracy propaganda piece. Dr. Willie Soon does not hold back in his response.

Note some of the links take you to a “You are leaving the service” page. This is a harmless artefact caused by copying Dr. Soon’s email, click continue to see the referenced document.

Dear Ms. Keane,

I am wary of responding to your false allegations, since your questions seem somewhat loaded. Disappointingly, they appear to repeat the dishonest and misleading claims of the former Greenpeace USA research director, Kert Davies (now running the so-called “Climate Investigations Center”), whose research we have shown to be disingenuous in Section 2 of our attached 2018 report on Greenpeace (Attachment 1). Unfortunately, the premise of your series seems to be the dangerous conspiracy theories promoted by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway in their 2010 book Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Climate Change and their 2014 film of the same name. I’ve attached a short 3-page .pdf (Attachment 2) summarizing just a few examples of the poor scholarship and bizarre hypocrisies in Oreskes & Conway’s conspiracy theories.

The BBC has an established history of stifling genuine scientific inquiry and nuanced debate on climate change since its infamous 2006 Climate Change – the Challenge to Broadcasting? seminar, as described in detail in Andrew Montford’s short book The Propaganda Bureau and summarized in various blogs in 2012, e.g., hereherehere and here.  

It is also regrettable that you attempted to contact me in such a roundabout way, i.e., by going through the Heartland Institute, rather than emailing me directly here at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. I am not pleased that you saw fit to circulate your letter, with its numerous libellous comments, to a third party.

The BBC seems to encourage the unethical pseudo-journalistic practice of selectively quoting and cherry-picking out-of-context interviewees who disagree with the narrative of the program, in order to make the interviewees seem foolish or uninformed. Richard North, summarized this unethical practice well in this 2011 essay: was a particular concern when I considered whether to reply to your allegations.

I am hoping that you have more journalistic integrity than your BBC colleagues who have carried out unethical “hatchet jobs” in the past. I suspect that you may not be planning to “fairly and accurately reflect any comments” as you promised me. 

Nonetheless, given the number of false allegations you are threatening to broadcast, I feel compelled to respond. I have copied this letter a number of friends and colleagues who might be interested to see the questions you have asked me and my responses.

I have copied and pasted your letter to me below. Your letter is in bold face: and my responses are in Roman face.

Will you change course in your grave misunderstanding on this timely subject and uphold honest debate and discussion on climate science?

Yours faithfully,

Willie Soon

Phoebe Keane

BBC Radio Current Affairs

BBC New Broadcasting House

Portland Place



Dear Wei Hok ‘Willie’ Soon,

My Chinese name given by my father is Wei-Hock. There is no need to put a quote on Willie as this is my name.

I’m making a BBC Radio series about the way oil companies have over emphasized the uncertainty around climate change. The series will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 in the UK and we intend for it to be available as a podcast internationally and may appear as an online article. It is a 10 part series, each episode is 15 minutes long.

The series is currently titled ‘How they made us doubt everything’ and will discuss how the oil industry has carried out a campaign to make us doubt climate change. It explores how it drew on a ‘playbook’ of tactics developed by the tobacco industry and PR company Hill & Knowlton to make us doubt the connection between smoking and cancer. We’ll set out that these tactics weaponised doubt and enabled both the tobacco and oil industries to undermine science, but also has fed into a broader sense of distrust in facts and experts which has spread far beyond climate change. 

I should strongly urge you to reconsider the current premise of your proposed series which seems to be based on the flawed conspiracy theories promoted by Naomi Oreskes & Erik Conway in their 2010 book (and 2014 film), “Merchants of Doubt”. I would recommend you read the attached 3-page critique (Attachment 2) of this pseudo-scientific conspiracy theory by Oreskes & Conway.

Instead, if you genuinely want to address the vested interests who are most seriously hindering and undermining scientific inquiry into climate change, I would urge you to read our 2018 analysis of the anti-science, anti-education and ultimately anti-environment behaviour that Greenpeace has engaged in. In particular, I would refer you to Section 2, in which we specifically review the dishonest and insidious misinformation campaigns which Kert Davies spearheaded while he was Greenpeace USA’s Research Director. I’ve attached a .pdf copy (Attachment 1), but you can also download a copy from the Heartland Institute’s website here:

We’d like to offer you the opportunity to respond to the points we intend to broadcast. We therefore draw your attention to the following: 

1)      You received millions of dollars for your research through 2000 up to 2015 from fossil fuel interests including Southern Company, American Petroleum Institute, Exxon Mobil Foundation. Is that the case? Would you like to respond?

WS: This is definitely not the case. I have definitely not “received millions of dollars for your research through 2000 up to 2015”. My employer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, is simply not that generous. Frankly, if making money was my main priority, I would not have gone into science. Indeed, if I did not care about science or the environment, maybe I would have found it more lucrative to work for an advocacy group like Greenpeace, which as we discuss in the attached report has an annual turnover of about $400 million.

My salary has come from the Center since I started as a staff position in 1997. Until about 2008, I had no involvement in where the Center received its funding. After my immediate supervisor retired in 2009, one of my additional duties was to write grant proposals on behalf of the Center, which has received funding from many sources including government, industry, charities, foundations and many others. This includes the three groups you mentioned, amongst many others. 

However, most employees (including me) receive their salary through the Center. This has the advantage that our research is uninfluenced by the Center’s funding sources. In any case, I am a scientist. I believe it is important to follow the science wherever it leads. I appreciate that there probably are some “scientists” out there who might alter their research results to facilitate vested interests, but the idea is abhorrent to me.

2)      Kert Davies of the Climate Investigations Centre says your research was used to slow down progress on climate change. Would you like to respond?

On the contrary, in my opinion, the dishonest and unethical misinformation spearheaded by Kert Davies of the Climate Investigations Center (and previously Greenpeace USA) has been used to slow down progress on genuine climate change research. See for example, Section 2 of our Greenpeace attached report, where we describe what he did through his “ExxonSecrets” campaigns.

3)      Our guests outline that this played into a  broader campaign to misrepresent the data on climate change, leading to many people doubting legitimate climate change science. Would you like to respond to this?

Again, on the contrary, in my opinion, it is the misinformation promoted by Kert Davies and others like him that is “leading to many people doubting legitimate climate change science”. Often the original sources of this misinformation seem to have arisen from people associated with campaigning groups who have a vested interest in downplaying the extensive ongoing scientific debate within the scientific community on many aspects of climate change: for instance, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, the David Suzuki Foundation (in particular, see the DeSmogBlog website co-founded by the Chair of this foundation, James Hoggan), the Union of Concerned Scientists, etc. 

If you visit the websites of any of these groups, you will quickly find that many of their campaigns explicitly rely on the assumption that “97% of scientists agree” and “the science is settled”. In fact, as Legates et al. (2015), of which I was a co-author, demonstrated that the widely-quoted Cook et al. (2013) paper that purported to find 97.1% of 11,944 peer-reviewed climate papers published in the 21 years 1991-2011 all agreed that climate change is mostly human caused, was based on flawed analysis and bad science. Upon a close inspection of their data, they had only found 64 papers or 0.5% of their sample had explicitly argued that climate change was mostly human caused. A subsequent examination showed that only 41 of these, or 0.3% of the original sample, had made that statement. On the other hand, 27 papers concluded the exact opposite that i.e., climate change is mostly natural. Vast majority of the papers did not make any statements one way or the other. For more details on the 97% consensus myth, please read here.

As we discussed in our Greenpeace report, these campaigns can be very lucrative for the campaigning groups. As a result, an honest reporting of the messy and contentious scientific debates that continue to this day within the scientific community would directly harm their claims of “scientific consensus” and “settled science”. 

Our case study of Greenpeace showed that it has an annual turnover of about $0.4 billion, and that from 1994-2017 they spent $521 million (i.e., more than $0.5 billion) on their “Climate/Climate & energy” campaigns. In comparison, Greenpeace’s “ExxonSecrets” campaign (led by Kert Davies) claimed that ExxonMobil allegedly spent $1.8 million/year over the period 1998-2014 on “funding climate denial” and that this supposedly substantially altered the public discourse on climate change. I encourage you to read our complete analysis in the report. Meanwhile, consider that if Kert Davies were correct that the alleged $1.8 million/year from ExxonMobil on “funding climate denial” has substantially altered the public discourse on climate change, what was the impact of Greenpeace’s $31 million/year expenditure on “Climate/Climate & energy” campaigning, 17 times greater than Exxon’s alleged expenditure?

4)      You have been characterised as downplaying the impact of human activities on climate change. Is that a fair portrayal of your work?

No, definitely not. My climate change research considers all of the plausible mechanisms for climate change that are discussed in the scientific literature. I’m not sure of what definition you have in mind, but to me “downplaying” means making something appear less important than it really is. If that’s the same definition you are using, then that is the exact opposite of my research. My research involves trying to find out exactly how important each of the many proposed climate change mechanisms are in current, past and future climate change. 

It is true that many scientists (in particular, several of the main computer modelling groups) have “downplayed” (to use your word) the role of solar variability and other forms in recent and historic climate change. So, by not downplaying these important factors, my work often leads to more nuanced, and in my opinion, more accurate and reliable, conclusions.

Indeed, several of my recent publications have argued that the current global and regional temperature datasets have substantially underestimated the role of a specific local form of human-caused climate change, i.e., the urban heat island phenomenon. The Urban Heat Island is a well-recognized form of local climate change that has nothing to do with greenhouse gas emissions, but is definitely a result of human activities. This is an underappreciated problem because even though urban areas only comprise 1-2% of the planet, many of the weather stations used in current global temperature datasets and most of the ones with the longest records are urbanized. This appears to have led to a sampling bias: the trends of the sampled data are unrepresentative of the global trends.

Your response would be appreciated in writing to the above by 7th July 2020 so we can fairly and accurately reflect any comments you wish to make, where appropriate. Please respond to: [redacted]

For your information we also intend to report:

1)      That a 1995 draft primer to the Global Climate Coalition dismisses solar variability, which we describe as your main thesis. The primer says it’s ‘accounted for 0.1 degrees C temperature increase in the last 120 years, it is an interesting finding, but it does not allay concerns about future warming which could result from greenhouse gas emissions.’ [SOURCE: Primer sent from L S Bernstein, Exxon Mobil, Environmental health and safety department, to members of GCC, 21ST December 1995. Made publicly available as part of the court case ‘Green Mountain Chrysler Plymouth Dodge Jeep v. Crombie’ 2005.]

Are you implying that the Global Climate Coalition had already in their 1995 document reached “the definitive answers” on the complex and challenging problem of the attribution of recent and future climate change, a year before IPCC’s Second Assessment Report and nearly 20 years before its fifth? Are you suggesting that all scientific research into climate change since 1995 is redundant? 

I’m not sure how you think science works, but that is utter nonsense. Climate change is a complex multi-causal phenomenon, and scientists have been debating the relative importance of different factors since the 19th century, particularly following the discovery of the ice ages.

The role of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) is in many ways the easiest to assess, because according to the Antarctic ice core estimates, atmospheric CO2 has increased near-exponentially from pre-industrial concentrations of nearly 0.03% to a little above 0.04% today. In contrast, the role of the Sun is a much more challenging subject: there is much ongoing debate over which estimates of past “Total Solar Irradiance” (TSI), i.e., solar output, are most reliable. There are also ongoing debates over the various mechanisms by which solar variability influences the Earth’s climate.

If you are interested in learning more about the ongoing debates in the scientific literature over this, I would recommend reading our comprehensive 2015 review paper: Soon et al. (2015), Earth-Science Reviews, Vol. 150, p 409-452. You can download a copy from my CfA website here. If you don’t have time to read the full 44-page article, which is technical in places, there is a simpler overview here:

However, one of the problems inherent in the research of those groups who “downplay” (to use your word again) the role of solar variability in recent and historic climate change and instead focus on CO2 as the “primary climate driver” (as the current computer models do), is that they find it very difficult to explain climate changes before about 1950, as CO2 seems to have still been only 0.031% then.

A consequence of this is that in order to try and fit the historic global temperature trends in terms of CO2 as the primary climate driver, researchers have had to:

a.       Increase the modelled “climate sensitivity” of global temperatures to CO2 concentrations; and

b.       Revise the estimates of past climate changes to downplay the climate variability before about 1950.

A bizarre result of these attempts to “shoehorn” CO2 as the primary climate driver is that even the IPCC’s latest (Fifth) Assessment Report still suggests that the “Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity” (ECS) to CO2 could be anything from 1.5 °C to 4.5 °C. This year (Meehl et al, 2020Zelinka et al. 2020) it is reported that the sixth-generation models of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project find the spread to be 1.8-5.6 °C. ECS is the expected global warming that would occur from a doubling of CO2

In a recent scientific paper that we published in March, we showed that the value of this metric has major implications for international climate change policies. If ECS is at the higher end of the IPCC’s “likely” range, then the 2015 Paris Agreement would be broken in a few decades if we continue “business-as-usual”. However, if ECS is less than 2 °C, then if we continued “business-as-usual” for the rest of the century, the Paris Agreement wouldn’t be broken until at least the 22nd century. That seems to me a pretty important point that the BBC should be discussing.

In case you’re interested, you can download our 2020 “Business-as-usual” paper here: Connolly et al. (2020), Energies, Vol. 13, 1365. Again, it is a rather long paper. However, I hope you appreciate by now that these are complex problems, and that there is a lot of ongoing scientific debate within the scientific community on these issues.

2)      That you published a paper in 2006 relating to Polar Bears which concluded that there was no reason for alarm for their continued safety. Please let me know if that’s incorrect. 

WS: Incorrect. 

I’m not sure what “2006” paper you are referring to. I did co-author three scientific papers which looked at polar bear populations around that time, but none in 2006. It is possible that you’re referring to Dyck et al. (2007) as that was accepted for publication subject to minor revisions in October 2006 (after a lengthy peer review process), but it was not officially published until April 2007. 

In any case, that was not the conclusion of the paper. 

I also co-authored a follow-on paper, Dyck et al. (2008), in response to some comments on the 2007 paper, and I was a co-author on a separate paper, Armstrong et al. (2008) which also looked at forecasting of polar bear populations.

The three papers are:

·         Dyck et al. (2007), Ecological Complexity, Vol. 4., p 73-84. Pdf available here

·         Dyck et al. (2008), Ecological Complexity, Vol. 5, p 289-302. Pdf available here

This was a response to comments in Stirling et al. (2008), Ecological Complexity, Vol. 5, p 193-201. Pdf available here.

·         Armstrong et al. (2008), Interfaces, Vol. 38, p 382-405. Pdf available here.

I would recommend reading the papers to find out the exact details of what we found in those papers, in particular, the Dyck et al. (2007) which I suspect is probably the “2006” paper you were referring to. However, in brief, two researchers (Ian Stirling and Andrew Derocher) and colleagues had published a series of papers in which they concluded that the primary factor in the local polar bear populations in the western Hudson Bay region was global warming from increasing CO2. Specifically, they argued that the long-term spring-time warming since the 1970s in the region was: (a) due to increasing CO2, (b) was reducing local sea ice cover and (c) leading to reductions in local polar bear population.

We looked at the basis for their claims and realized that their analysis was scientifically flawed for multiple reasons. For instance, they apparently hadn’t realized that while the Arctic has warmed since the 1970s, it followed a period of Arctic cooling from the 1940s-1970s, and there was a similar warm period to present during the early 20th century. If their theory was correct, then the polar bear populations should have responded accordingly during those pre-1970s periods. They didn’t. Instead, we found that the local polar bear populations appear to be more influenced by other factors, such as the numbers of bears that are allowed to be hunted.

More recently, I have co-authored a study in which we reconstructed Arctic sea ice cover back to 1900, and found that the variability in Arctic sea ice cover is a lot greater than the IPCC had assumed in their latest reports: Connolly et al. (2017), Hydrological Sciences Journal, vol. 62, p1317-1340. I also co-authored a study in 2019 in which we compared the observed snow cover trends for the entire Northern Hemisphere since 1967 to the trends which the IPCC computer models say should have occurred – according to their assumption that CO2 is the primary climate driver. The results were shocking. The current computer models are unable to explain the observed trends in snow cover for either winter, spring, summer or fall. None of the 196 computer model simulations that the IPCC used for their most recent report succeeded in replicating the observed 1967-2018 trends for any of the seasons. The paper is: Connolly et al. (2019), Geosciences, vol. 9, 135.

As a result, these two recent papers reveal that the computer models which Stirling and Derocher as well as the IPCC had been relying on for their analysis of the Arctic seriously “downplayed” the natural variability in Arctic sea ice and seriously “up-played” the role of CO2in recent trends.

Yours faithfully, 

Phoebe Keane

BBC Radio Current Affairs; [redacted]

A final thought: I think it important that you should understand that science is not a matter of mere politics: it is an earnest, continuing and rigorous search for the objective truth. In this reply I have given you some indication of the fact that your underlying premise – that there is only one scientific viewpoint on the climate question and that all other scientific opinions are bought and paid for by vested interests running counter to the vested interest of the BBC – is in all respects wholly false. 

Are you a campaigner for a cause that is rooted in such bad science, or are you a proper journalist willing to ask real questions? The moment you begin to look at the climate question not through the eyes of blind faith, not through the lens of political zeal, but through the searing prism of logic and scientific method, you will realize that there are two sides to the climate question based on the data currently available.

Attachment 1 – Analysis of Greenpeace’s business model

Attachment 2 – Paradoxes of the Merchants of Doubt conspiracy theory

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Pat from kerbob
July 13, 2020 10:39 pm

What a great response

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 14, 2020 4:42 am

I fear that this is (mostly) a poor response.

It is all completely accurate, but it fails to respond in the proper bureaucratic manner, and therefore leaves Dr Soon open to being misquoted. Remember, this is not about science – it is about communicating with an enemy. My detailed comments are below:

1. You are charged with receiving millions of dollars for research from Evil Big Oil. Saying that ‘it is not the case’ is not true – the HSC DID receive that money. The BBC can now claim that you denied receiving any money, and then show the grant allocations, making you look like a liar.

2 – You are charged that ‘your research was used to slow down progress on climate change’. Saying that Greenpeace did the same is no defence. Note that they say that your research ‘was used’ – that means that they can get a quote of yours from a real extremist group and smear you by association.

3 – As 2) above. They are blaming you for the use other people made of your work. This is a clever trick – if you complain that you are not responsible for what other people say they will immediately ask you to disavow them, and then use that statement to smear the others…

4 – This is a good response. It won’t stop them presenting you as ‘believing in human activity as a cause of warming’, however.

Other comments:

1 – Essentially, they intend to say that ‘the science is settled’. So your comment that it isn’t can just be brushed aside. They are certainly not interested in learning anything from you.

2 – They also want to smear you as not caring about Polar Bears. Again, they do NOT want to read the papers – they would not understand them and would simply be bored if they tried. You respond properly by telling them that they are incorrect, but you go on to give far too much information. They will mine this for anything else that they can smear you with…

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 14, 2020 6:55 am

If someone intends on misquoting and misrepresenting what one says, there is nothing you can do to go through them to address those smears. Replying as he did here is fine, since they will just keep smearing him if that is their intent. In this case silence would be worse, because then they’ll use your silence as a smear that you couldn’t rebut their accusations. Just recognize they’ll just keep smearing and distorting the new responses, but don’t remain silent. They want their adversaries to be cowed and remain silent to their lies.

What You have to do is get your unalteredmessage out through another party, as Dr Soon has done here (WUWT) and also via HeartLand’s channels.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 14, 2020 9:25 am

Joel says:
If someone intends on misquoting and misrepresenting what one says, there is nothing you can do to go through them to address those smears. Replying as he did here is fine, since they will just keep smearing him if that is their intent

Exactly. Dr Soon did all he could do. Won’t make any difference to the corrupt BBC & their sycophants, but at least his response is out in the public where some rational people will see & understand it.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  beng135
July 14, 2020 11:47 am

but at least his response is out in the public where some rational people will see & understand it.

I don’t think the BBC targets rational people.

I truly believe that Dr. Willie Soon has made a terrible mistake by responding to queries from MS Phoebe Keane that she was GOING TO produce a BBC Radio series about the way oil companies have over emphasized the uncertainty around climate change, which, when completed will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 in the UK.

Phoebe Keane now has Willie Soon’s response to whatever question or comment that she cares to “pair-up” with when recording her BBC Radio series. It will probably result in an “out-of-context” comedy.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 15, 2020 1:45 am

“….If someone intends on misquoting and misrepresenting what one says, there is nothing you can do….”

To a point, Lord Copper.

I did not work in the UK Cabinet Office/Treasury for 20 years without learning some of the tricks that are used. The first point to note is that this is not a dispassionate search for the truth – it is far closer to a game of tennis. Each side serves and returns a message – trying to position their opponent in such a way that they have to give in. Each side needs to consider the weaknesses and strengths of the other’s case, and provide returns which, ideally, put your opponent on the back foot.

I do not intend to devote a long time to considering an appropriate strategy for this case. It can require deep thought! But the BBC obviously require some validation from Dr Soon before broadcasting, otherwise they would not have made this request, and Dr Soon should be careful not to give them the validation that they require. Expanding the process into a conversation might have helped – rather than giving the BBC a set of possible papers about Polar Bears to chose from, for instance, he could just have stated that their references were in error and requested the BBC to state just which paper they were talking about. It is never a good idea to provide lots of extra information in these discussions – any lawyer will tell you that….

As always, the UK TV series ‘Yes Minister’ is full of useful hints….

Jack Black
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 15, 2020 8:11 am

Dodgy Geezer !

You ARE the real “Bernard Woolley” and I claim my Five Pounds !


Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 18, 2020 2:30 pm

Excellent comment, Dr. Geezer. That was one of my biggest faults during my engineering career – giving the Government customer too much information. They were amazing at being able to twist my meanings – and sometimes my words. Please understand that much of the US Government contracting force wants the contractor to fail. It makes them look like a real watchdog – someone who is really on the ball.

I still remember the day (14 years into my career) when I first heard the Government call into a telecon with this greeting: “Good morning, McDonnell Douglas! This is Colonel (redacted). How can we help you succeed today?” I nearly fell off my chair. I remember looking to one of my new teammates. What kind of treachery was this? He quietly assured me this customer wanted us to succeed. I was flabbergasted, and not quite believing, but he and his team were true to their word. Two other customers later in my career had the same interest, and enforced that interest on their systems integration teams. Those were awesome programs – all about achieving the improbably.

But most of the time: answer the question as briefly as possible, and if possible, have your contracting people (lawyers) do the talking. They know little technically, so won’t/can’t say much. Dr. Soon, God bless him, likely gave them ammunition, as they can parse and edit his responses, and who in the press is going to honestly fact-check them?

Ah, yes. The NYT or WaPo.

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 14, 2020 8:10 am

My friend Willie copied me and others on his response to Ms Keane. I replied as follows:

From: Allan MacRae
Sent: July-13-20 9:41 PM
To: Soon, Willie; Phoebe Keane
Subject: RE: reply to your letter on BBC radio series, Willie Soon right of reply

“No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.” – Albert Einstein

There are more than 25 credible dis-proofs of the climate-and-green-energy scam, but as Einstein said, one would be enough. The catastrophic global warming/climate crisis was never real – it was always a false narrative, concocted by the extreme-left to achieve their political objectives. The left lie all the time – it is their core competence.

By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng., January 10, 2020

– Allan MacRae

From: Allan MacRae
Sent: July-14-20 2:54 AM
To: Soon, Willie; Phoebe Keane
Subject: RE: reply to your letter on BBC radio series, Willie Soon right of reply

It’s all a leftist scam – the enviro BS including the phony court challenges, the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19, paid-and-planned protests by Antifa and BLM – it’s all lies.

We published that the climate-and-green-energy rant was a false narrative in 2002, and by 2012 or earlier I wrote that there was a covert agenda, Now the greens are admitting that climate-and-energy was false propaganda, a smokescreen for their totalitarian objectives.(*1)

The green objective is to destroy prosperity and move the USA into a planned economy – with a few rich at the top looking down on the many poor peasants. That model now describes most of the countries in the world. Europe and Canada are far down that path, and the USA will follow if Biden and the Demo-Marxists are elected.

Published 4July2020

In 2002 Dr Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian, Dr Tim Patterson, Paleoclimatologist, Carleton U and Allan MacRae TOLD YOU SO 18 YEARS AGO:

1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
See Michael Shellenberger’s 2020 confession “On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare”.

2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
See Michael Moore’s 2020 film “Planet of the Humans”.

Regarding Michael Shellenberger’s 2020 condemnation of the false climate scare and Michael Moore’s 2020 film slagging green energy schemes based on intermittency and diffusivity, I say “better late than never”. The irony is that “the Michaels”, who were wrong for decades, have more credibility with their recent conversions than those of us who were never deceived by the leftists’ climate-and-energy scams. We never lied to you.

The Michaels are now under attack by their former green comrades, who want to preserve their false climate and green-energy scams that have so effectively deceived the pubic and our politicians and squandered trillions of dollars. The Michaels both deserve kudos for having the courage to tell the truth, especially considering how radically they have changed direction from their former positions.

The leftists have already started their counterattack – censoring Shellenberger’s article in Forbes magazine and attempting to block Moore’s film on YouTube. The Michaels are being cancelled.


By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., July 19, 2019

By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., July 4, 2019

July 14, 2020 8:12 am

Apologies to Moderator – I forgot to delete the links.

Jack Black
July 15, 2020 8:13 am

How very very careless of you Allan 😇

July 15, 2020 9:22 pm

I had to apologize. The last time I left in links they made me cut off my little finger.

July 15, 2020 10:02 pm

From: Allan MacRae
Sent: July-15-20 11:00 PM
To: Phoebe Keane
Cc: Soon, Willie
Subject: RE: reply to your letter on BBC radio series, Willie Soon right of reply

Ms. Keane:

Your story is discussed here.

The expectation is that despite the true facts that have been provided to you, you will still publish a pack of slanderous lies about Dr. Willie Soon.

As I’ve written previously, “The left lie all the time – it is their core competence”. I understand your position – When you are a leftist, lies are all you’ve got! “When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” But a lie is still a lie – that would concern you if you were an honest person.

You may not have noticed, but the world is finally waking up to leftist falsehoods. “The Michaels”, Shellenberger and Moore, have finally told the truth about the abject failure of global warming alarmism and green energy scams, facts that we have known for decades and published in 2002!

The rats are leaving the sinking ship – it’s time to re-think your position, your pack of lies. Don’t be the last to jump ship.

Regards, Allan MacRae

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 14, 2020 1:30 pm

Your analysis is spot on, Dodgy Geezer. Also, contacting Dr Soon via the Heartland Institute provides an opportunity to use ‘guilt’ by association.

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 14, 2020 3:31 pm

It won’t change one thing about this broadcast.

This is by the same producer Phoebe Keane on The Why Factor? Why is climate change so politicised? made in 2020.

Keane’s new BFF is none other than Naomi Oreskes aided by a stream of political and psychological BS from Daniel Sarewitz and Sander van der Linden. Democrats came out as heroes and Republicans came out as ditherers on climate change.

This podcast was totally one sided and that’s what will happen to the Willie Soon podcast.

Anthony Robb
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 15, 2020 1:02 am

As a Brit I’m ashamed of the BBC and have spent many fruitless hours complaining about their climate change coverage. The BBC’s responses never once attempted to address my specific points – they were dismissed time after time with repeated invocations to ‘the consensus’ and authority. Attempts to point out that consensus and authority have often held back scientific progress and should never be used to counter real scientific observations simply produced further references to authority and consensus.
Willie Soon is gifted, honest and good-natured and I, too, doubt very much that he will get a fair hearing at the BBC – no matter how watertight or forceful his reply.
It seems to me that his reply was in very much keeping with his scientific integrity and gentlemanly principles. The people in charge at the BBC are scoundrels and will stick to their guns no matter how strongly the argument is made against them. Perhaps a deluge of quite specific complaints from WUWT followers might be the best way to show the BBC that it is not a big oil conspiracy but genuine science which motivates the doubters.

David Yaussy
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 14, 2020 6:21 am

Ditto. Thoughtful and well-written, with just enough of the well-justified impatience that comes from working hours on a response that you know will be misrepresented.

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 14, 2020 6:40 am

Accurate, but ultimately, pointless response to the BBC who will continue to be complete advocates for climate catastrophe alarm in all their broadcasts, whatever the facts. Also, the reply has far too many words of more than one syllable for many BBC journalists to be bothered to read. Hopefully, the BBC will not be funded through the public purse for much longer.

Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 14, 2020 6:54 am

“The BBC has an established history of stifling genuine scientific inquiry and nuanced debate….”

One might ask with genuine interest and the intent to get a simple answer: exactly what is it that the media in general and in this case, BBC specifically, are afraid of?

No one is addressing this, which in my view is a mistake. What ARE they afraid of?

Reply to  Sara
July 14, 2020 8:10 am


“What ARE they afraid of?”

I suspect it is to do with their pension fund, which IIRC went nap on renewables. A risky move with no obvious upside that will result in smaller pensions , and the possible loss of management autonomy.

James Allen
Reply to  TonyN
July 14, 2020 9:13 am

I would argue that they’re afraid that the general public might take notice, and after a cursory review, take note of the absolute lack of credibility they have shown. Then wonder why they’re paying for such tripe.

Toby Ellenor
Reply to  Sara
July 14, 2020 8:27 am

This question strikes at the heart of the problem, what ARE they afraid of ?
Is somebody giving them money to publish things, are they being coerced or are their Jobs and Pensions on the line if they do not push the Global Warming narrative and lastly, does the EU in Brussels have any interest in this ?

Reply to  Sara
July 14, 2020 8:28 am


“What ARE they afraid of?”

I suspect it is to do with their pension fund, which IIRC went nap on renewables. A risky move with no obvious upside that will result in smaller pensions , and the possible loss of management autonomy.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Sara
July 14, 2020 11:34 am

They’re not afraid of anything except individualism, Sara.

They’re collectivist radicals convinced of their rectitude. They suppress because anyone who disagrees with them is ipso facto wrong and evil.

But in every case, the “issue” is not the issue. The issue is power. Toadyism is the only accepted position, and even that does not guarantee safety.

Were they to get true control, look for a return of baldly political executions.

Andrew Dickens
Reply to  Sara
July 14, 2020 12:54 pm

What are they afraid of? That isn’t the right question. The fact is that hardly any BBC employees have any sort of scientific background or training. And there is a strong culture of Groupthink in the organisation. Effectively, they are brainwashed. There is no chance that the BBC will ever change their opinions on the subject of climate change – there is too much face to be lost.
Any BBC employee who does not toe the policy line is swiftly cancelled, silence, sacked, whatever. The weird thing is, they all think they are right, and that anyone who disagrees with them is either stupid or else paid by evil Big Oil organisations to express their opinions.

There is no chance of Willie Soon’s views getting fair treatment on the Radio 4 programme.

Jack Black
Reply to  Andrew Dickens
July 15, 2020 8:42 am

I’ll go further than that, and say there is no chance of any such programme on Radio 4 ever being broadcast at all. Though the shill greenwash Producer may be keen, higher-ups will be trembling in their chairs at the response and the logic of Dr. Soon, and at the comments in here, lest their sinecure schemes and scams be exposed to the irascible Public’s steely gaze.

It is certain that if such a series was broadcast, such proselytising for climate alarmism would lead to a barrage of complaints about unwarranted BBC profligacy, and could precipitate the end of cozy junkets around the Globe for Senior BBC Management.

Reply to  Sara
July 15, 2020 1:10 am

“One might ask with genuine interest and the intent to get a simple answer: exactly what is it that the media in general and in this case, BBC specifically, are afraid of?”

They are Marxists. So they have the fragility of not controlling other people.

July 13, 2020 10:41 pm

Dear sir,
As an Englishman I would like to apologize for you having to respond to such a shoddy organization as the BBC, please keep up the good work.
Kind regards
Paul S Webb

Reply to  fatherup
July 13, 2020 11:00 pm

The BBC has become increasingly biased. It has been taken over by the left-wing Green Blob. It should be defunded and allowed to wither away. The BBC is an embarassment.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
July 14, 2020 1:53 am


The BBC still produces some fabulous programmes on Tv and radio. 99% of these have nothing to do with climate change. Of that small fraction that do, yes indeed the BBC are shockingly biased. They seem to be run by very woke eco warrior


Ron Long
Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 3:15 am

tonyb, if you are correct about some redeeming aspect of the BBC is correct, it places them light-years ahead of CNN. When you watch CNN start a report, you start wondering how will they blame Trump for this? And then they do it, and it is so stupid you wonder who their audience is (other than the morbidly curious like myself). Is Dr. Willie Soon the real deal or what? By the way, I sat on an Executive Advisory Committee for CONOCO, and we never discussed bad or fraudulent conduct, totally to the contrary.

Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 3:41 am

In my opinion, the “fabulous programmes” make up a relatively small percentage of BBC output. There is hardly a programme which is not influenced in some way by left/liberal propaganda. Even Countryfile has got in on the act. So the 99% is a large percentage of a small output. There are plenty more issues on which the BBC uses its output to put forward propaganda. One such issue is assisted suicide. And now they are beginning to push three-way relationships (2 men/one woman – 2 women/one man). And has anybody seen a programme on BBC in which President Trump is protrayed positively? Then there is health. The BBC made a programme in which they interviewed a nuber of heath “experts”. All crticised the UK Conservative government. All of them were exposed as having links with either the Labour Party or other anti-government groups.

Reply to  Alba
July 14, 2020 8:18 am

Looking at the schedules for tonight during evening viewing times there are five interesting sounding programmes on BBC 4′ two on BBC 2 ans one on BBC1

There are also half a dozen radio programmes worth listening to.

The overwhelming majority of BBC programmes have nothing whatsoever to do with climate change. Those that do are extremely irritating but they are small in number


Gerry, England
Reply to  Alba
July 16, 2020 8:07 am

Not every BBC programme promotes global warming but just about every programme promotes their leftish woke agenda in some way either by content or the people they employ.

There is some heartening news that they are making cuts to their news staff, it may not be many but it is a start.

Other good news this week has been the lefties and BBC house newspaper The Guardian is cutting staff as revenue drops and their losses increase.

Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 4:01 am

The climate and other woke campaigning is present in most BBC output, they decide the answer in advance, undertake relentless promotion, and fail to allow contrary voices, except when attempting to smear them.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  climanrecon
July 14, 2020 5:52 am

Marxists always seek to silence dissent.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  climanrecon
July 14, 2020 8:23 am

“they decide the answer in advance”

Extremely evident from the “reporter’s” questions.

John Endicott
Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 5:05 am

The BBC still produces some fabulous programmes on Tv and radio

and of what few of those that remain have sadly been infected with left-wing “woke” propaganda/politics, many fatally so.

Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 8:18 am

tonyb, if that’s true, then they should have no trouble finding people who are willing to pay for that “fine programming”.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 12:02 pm

As much as I respect a lot of your work this comment about the BBC is totally wrong. The BBC produces no watchable programs at all. They used to but not any more. All of the programs have been modified to include LBTARHXIMGTASYKUJ global warming, BLM etc. A while back I saw a clip from a children’s program where kids were stood in front of a red painted box which they called a fossil fuel boiler and it was shaking and rattling.

The kids were forced to say …. yes, you guessed it “It’s really good we have the windmills and solar panels outside “.
Their gardening programs are more about handicapped, black communities, green rooves, etc.

Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 9:03 pm

Tonyb – As a long time viewer of these ‘fabulous’ BBC programs i am forced to disagree. BBC used to produce fabulous programs. Everything they produce now is laden with liberal propaganda and social engineering. I’ve stopped watching their programs.

David A
Reply to  tonyb
July 14, 2020 10:09 pm

I disagree. The response is both accurate and appropriate. Dr Soon is well aware that it will be presented in very limited bites and out of context. Yet recent defections from the group think CAGW cult will likely cause some to actually read the response in whole, including the links.

They will and have slandered Dr Soon regardless. What better to fight lies with then truth? Dr Soon has presented that opportunity. He has provided the water, no one can force another to drink.

Reply to  tonyb
July 15, 2020 12:12 am

Worth leading a better informed “BBC-free” life, like the ABC-free lives the majority of us lead here….we turned off in great numbers years ago when ‘their ABC’ began promoting their alarmist and myopic programs based on bad science. Bliss…

Reply to  tonyb
July 15, 2020 5:11 am

Tony b; while the BBC may put out some good material, it’s my understanding that much of it is bought in from independent production companies.

Reply to  tonyb
July 17, 2020 4:19 pm

The BBC produce surprisingly few programs these days. A large number are bought in from external companies now.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
July 14, 2020 2:03 am

The BBC has been left-wing for a long long time.

Reply to  fatherup
July 13, 2020 11:48 pm

What an embarrassment the BBC is

Charles Nelson
Reply to  fretslider
July 14, 2020 12:31 am

Defund the BBC.

Chris Wright
Reply to  fatherup
July 14, 2020 3:12 am

As another Englishman, I second that.
As I am nearly 75, I was looking forwards to no longer paying the license fee, but now they have taken that away.
I couldn’t care less about the money. What I do care about is being forced to pay for a left wing propaganda organisation that is the enemy of the truth.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris Wright
July 14, 2020 4:30 am

Don’t pay it. I stopped after a few years when I lived in the UK.

Reply to  Chris Wright
July 14, 2020 9:58 am


Don’t worry, the money they are getting from you is going to be spent on a £100 million ‘diversity’ policy.


Richard (the cynical one)
July 13, 2020 10:45 pm

She’s gonna choke on all those facts, Willie! That’s too much solid food for an unweaned infant. She needs her pablum thin and bland.

Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
July 14, 2020 3:26 am

“Dear Wei Hok ‘Willie’ Soon,”

The phrase “culturally inept” comes to mind.

Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 14, 2020 8:46 pm

it’s actually racism ironically

Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
July 14, 2020 1:11 pm

Poor Willie has errored; he has assumed that she can read and understand logic; if she could she would not be working at the BBC.



July 13, 2020 10:58 pm

A thorough and appropriate response, Dr. Soon.

July 13, 2020 11:04 pm

I just don’t understand why this dead horse is still being flogged to death as it died ages ago. I suspect that the horse was never even born.

Reply to  mikebartnz
July 14, 2020 1:58 am

For whatever reason, this reminds me of Lieutenant Kije. A slip of the pen resulted in the creation of Kije and the ruse took on a life of its own.

It also reminds me of, “Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.” link

The result is a house of cards that eventually has to collapse in on itself. Future generations will wonder how we were so stupid.

I remember being shown various examples of bad science, one of which was the work of Samuel George Morton on human skulls. The question is still argued over whether Morton actually cooked his data or just misinterpreted it. In any event, his work warped the progress of science for generations.

Reply to  commieBob
July 14, 2020 10:27 am

reminds me of Lieutenant Kije.

There was a similar MASH episode where some “Captain” was invented, then rumored, and the whole camp went bonkers preparing for a visit by this heroic “Captain”, who was completely imaginary.

Reply to  commieBob
July 14, 2020 1:42 pm

“…[H]is work warped the progress of science for generations.”

Just like Sigmund Freud.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 18, 2020 8:39 am

“Just like Sigmund Freud.”

Who, apparently, wore slips.

July 13, 2020 11:08 pm

I suspect that the BBC will report “failed to respond”.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  lee
July 13, 2020 11:22 pm

It will actually report:

” We gave Dr Soon an opportunity to respond, but he produced a long technical comment which did not address our central complaint that he does not agree with the consensus and is therefore a bad scientist…”

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 14, 2020 1:25 am

Nice one

Reply to  IanH
July 14, 2020 2:00 pm

Yes, he’s grasped the essence of Green denialism so perfectly, I’m beginning to look slanchwise at Dodgy Geezer. 🙂

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 15, 2020 9:23 am

Sabotage is best done from the inside…

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
July 14, 2020 9:35 am

I hope the BBC, or another investigative group, has a chance to explore the effectiveness of Research Activism (1). I concur with G. Couch’s thoughts-

….”Those who stop questioning, especially their own theories and work (or hinder others testing them) have lost the right to claim a “scientist” title.”….


Nick Graves
Reply to  lee
July 14, 2020 3:03 am

That was my first thought – ‘declined to appear’!

But what a superb reply from Dr. Soon.

I should imagine his first point would have rattled their woke-correctness and the rest will be sadly over their heads.

Rich Davis
Reply to  lee
July 14, 2020 3:26 am

We made multiple attempts to solicit a response from “Dr” “Willie” “Soon”, but his rambling and delusional reply came too late to be included prior to our production deadline. Take it from this trusted journalist that there was nothing relevant in his belated reply.

John Endicott
Reply to  lee
July 14, 2020 5:00 am

Indeed. She said “Your response would be appreciated in writing to the above by 7th July 2020”. I’m curious as to how little time prior to that date she sent her “questions” (IE how much time she gave for a respond) I’m guessing not very long.

Reply to  John Endicott
July 14, 2020 8:22 am

Especially since she didn’t send it to Dr. Soon directly, but had it passed to him through a third party.

Reply to  lee
July 14, 2020 9:56 am

I think you have too be British to understand the BBC and its utter bias. Anyone who doesn’t tow the party line is buried on the scrapheap and never used in any TV broadcasting from any channel in the UK.
But from this lockdown when Neil Fergusons models where found to be writing on the back of a crisp packet on a Sunday night at 5pm, and him being found too be knobing a ultra left wing destroy the world brigade married woman during his lockdown. So what did the BBC do when wondering if a second wave was coming… Thats right back to Mr. Ferguson to say his models seen this. OK Neil right.

July 13, 2020 11:13 pm

‘ The series is currently titled ‘How they made us doubt everything’ and will discuss how the oil industry has carried out a campaign to make us doubt climate change. ‘

I suspect that no matter how lucidly and truthfully you write, your response will be simply ignored.

If the BBC were to accept what you have written, there would be no series – unless they were to experience a ‘road to Damascus’ conversion and rename it “How Greenpeace tried to discredit the oil industry’. I cannot see that happening because that is not the way to ensure a weekly paycheck and eventual promotion when working for the Woke.

Reply to  OldCynic
July 13, 2020 11:32 pm

Agreed, the BBC will proceed as originally intended and Dr. Soon’s response will be ignored. But I’m glad it was posted here, because it’s now a great reference source for the rest of us.

Reply to  Art
July 14, 2020 3:51 am

Agree on both counts (unfortunately for the first). But definitely a great reference source.

July 13, 2020 11:20 pm

The BBC and Oreskes: birds of a feather.

Reply to  Ken
July 14, 2020 1:11 am

Oreskes 238 of 928 papers endorse AGW. Despite claims 928 because no papers actually refuted AGW. 😉

Sara Hall
July 13, 2020 11:23 pm

What a lazy, ignorant woman!

Reply to  Sara Hall
July 14, 2020 1:13 am

Uber Karen ie Phoebe.

John Culhane
July 13, 2020 11:26 pm

She has been busy on twitter collecting fodder for her part of this BBC smear campaign also targeting Chevron

Here is what you can expect (from last year) using Naomi Oreskes as the source.

Why is climate change so politicised?

John Dawson
Reply to  John Culhane
July 14, 2020 2:45 pm

Hmmm – it seems her tweets are no longer able to be viewed by the public – only her approved followers. Funny that……

July 13, 2020 11:28 pm

I’m making a BBC Radio series about the way oil companies have over emphasized the uncertainty around climate change.

The biggest lie going around. Obviously not the slightest bit of investigative journalism going on here. He is just parroting Noemi Klein.

4 Eyes
Reply to  Greg
July 14, 2020 12:45 am

If Phoebe had any decency at all and just a little bit of journalistic competency and stop trying to be an activist herself she would also make a radio series addressing the way alarmist scientists have exaggerated and distorted the certainty of their so called science. And then let the public decide rather tell us what to think. She could ask Willie for his knowledge of their shenanigans and ask the alarmists to support scientifically all their assertions i.e. put the boot on the other foot. She would be surprised and rather incredulous I am sure. She could then ask Lindzen and Curry and many others for their comments. In time she might realize just how big and powerful Big Green is and just how devious some politicians have been.

Reply to  4 Eyes
July 14, 2020 2:56 am

If Phoebe had any decency at all and just a little bit of journalistic competency, I doubt she would survive very long at the Beeb.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tim Groves
July 14, 2020 4:42 am

Indeed, just a little bit of journalistic competency is enough to send her to the unemployment line.

Reply to  Greg
July 14, 2020 1:32 am

–I’m making a BBC Radio series about the way oil companies have over emphasized the uncertainty around climate change.–

I would think that, “could be anything from 1.5 °C to 4.5 °C”
is creating “uncertainty around climate change”.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  gbaikie
July 14, 2020 6:00 am

Yes, that 1.5C to 4.5C ECS estimate is a “big” uncertainty that hasn’t changed in decades. You would think they could refine this number a little after decades of trying. But no, now they are increasing the uncertainty with their latest science fiction effort.

The “Science” definitely is not settled.

Chris Morris
July 13, 2020 11:29 pm

I am sure Paul Homewood will put in a complaint against the BBC if they misreport Dr Soon. Paul has had a lot of practice and has been winning.

July 13, 2020 11:44 pm

Congratulations Dr Willie Soon with that response. You ripped her a new one!

The questions were pre-loaded and she tried to set you up for a fall. Strategically wise move CC’ing people in on it and publishing it. You can see the lack of research and knowledge ….. she could have approached in a much better way but in her head you were the boogeyman, but now when she plays the “mirror mirror on the wall whose the fairest” game she knows what she is.

Reply to  Eric Frei
July 14, 2020 6:14 am

Keane won’t even pretend to read Soon’s response. She will just have her aides sift through the response for phrases to misquote or take out of context.

Fighting propaganda with truth presupposes people want to hear the truth. Over half the population gets their “dopamine hits” daily by reading the (poorly crafted) lies….gives their worthless lives some sense of meaning…by being allied with the “good” people who care about the oppressed. A case of the arrogant feeding the arrogant.

Chris Curwen
July 13, 2020 11:51 pm

Phoebe Keane is on LinkedIn. She is a graduate in English Literature and Drama, with a Masters in “Broadcast Journalism”. She obviously doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about where the science is concerned, and appears to be putting together another of the BBC’s hatchet jobs on a real climate scientist. The whole basis of her series is preconceived and biased assertion. I suggest those of us who can do so should monitor the proposed radio series and complain to the BBC and the UK’s Ofcom about bias whenever it occurs.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  Chris Curwen
July 14, 2020 1:17 am

If only she would stick to stuff like Shakespeare was gay, etc.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Chris Curwen
July 14, 2020 1:40 am

While someone with a good language degree does not have the required scientific insight to question many claims made by scientists, that person should have the ability to reason carefully and logically and see flaws in the way a scientist reaches conclusions. A literature graduate works with a complete manuscript and usually has details about the writer and background. This is key to interpretation – not reading back today’s controversies and thinking or personal feelings into the text.

Today’s scientists looking at the climate are faced with the difficulty of not having “a complete manuscript” but as it were many fragments that they want to piece together. Dr. Soon recognizes this: Climate change is a complex multi-causal phenomenon, and scientists have been debating the relative importance of different factors since the 19th century.” If this journalist only had 49 fragments totaling 985 words (5%) of Shakespeare’s play “Julius Caesar,” would she be able to reconstruct the basis of the play and recognize how the dramatist has used the historical narrative? I think not. Sadly, the degrees that Phoebe Keane completed seem to have failed to equip her to pursue a course of rigorous and coherent reasoning.

I hope this analogy will be helpful.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 14, 2020 3:39 am

You are describing classical literature analysis. That is sooooo last century. Now the hip academics all perform their analysis through the filter of current thought. Being “Right” means being able to analyze the text in such a way that the “current truth” is reinforced. Politics is more important than such minor concerns as the physical a psychological struggles of man.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  OweninGA
July 14, 2020 5:38 am

Sadly, what I learned from classical languages in the seventies about the relation of patterns and how this correlates with meaning appears to be ignored in modern language studies. Languages are all fascinating – as fascinating as the pure sciences are to those who love them. However, what is done to language by activists, politicians and the media totally perverts language.

Foundational in all communication is that meaning is determined by the written or spoken context not by some meaning from a totally different context or some subjective impression. A word may occasionally have a particular connotation but there is usually an indication in the context. If language can mean whatever someone feels, this makes clear communication impossible. A good example is the vague use of the phrase “climate change” with no recognition that we have a number of very different climate zones that all have four seasons. What does this phrase mean in relation to these zones? Simply averaging temperatures across all of these is misleading at best.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 14, 2020 8:31 am

“Simply averaging temperatures across all of these is misleading at best.”

A point I’ve made repeatedly over the years, always falling on deaf ears.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 14, 2020 12:36 pm

“A good example is the vague use of the phrase “climate change” with no recognition that we have a number of very different climate zones that all have four seasons. What does this phrase mean in relation to these zones? Simply averaging temperatures across all of these is misleading at best.”

Well, by “Climate Change,” they of course mean by implication “caused by humans” – and they have largely succeeded in implanting that inference in people’s minds through the endless use of propaganda.

As far as it being misleading, just think of how much MORE misleading it is when they show their scary looking temperature change “graphs” in 1/10th of a degree Celsius increments, when they are based on data collected from instruments measuring to the level of FULL degrees, and with a margin of error about as big as the supposed amount of “warming” of the meaningless “average.”


Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Chris Curwen
July 14, 2020 9:51 am

Apparently a ‘Drama Queen’ looking for her calling.

Chris Curwen
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 16, 2020 12:00 am

Yep, and I think she’s found it – it’s raising the profile and furthering the career of Phoebe Keane, nothing more.

John McCabe
July 13, 2020 11:59 pm

An excellent response, likely to be teased and twisted by the disgraceful BBC scum into whatever they want it to sound like.

Garland Lowe
July 14, 2020 12:00 am

Great response, but I think it was a waste of time. If the BBC reports on any of Dr. Soon’s responses, they will spin it to question Dr. Son’s credibility.

Reply to  Garland Lowe
July 14, 2020 1:53 am

Journalists are a dying breed. Most have become activists in search of clicks and followers.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Derg
July 14, 2020 3:22 am

‘Journalists’ are obviously part of the world’s oldest profession…

Reply to  Garland Lowe
July 14, 2020 4:56 am

Responses like this are never a waste of time. “Cast your bread upon the waters”, with every confidence, as somebody once said, that it will eventually float back to you, not only buttered but thickly spread with your favourite jam!

One of these days some reporter with a First in English and an analytical mind will decide to do a little digging and again come face to face with the question “why have these lying b******s — including my own employer! — been lying to me all this time?”

At that point — and it will come — it all becomes worthwhile. But only if people like Willie and Anthony and Paul Homewood have persisted in doing the thankless groundwork in the meantime.

July 14, 2020 12:05 am

Note the arrogantly condescending tone of the BBC letter. It assumes that all the allegations are true, and that Dr. Soon is some kind of criminal whom they are graciously deigning to allow to respond even though the matter is already conclusively settled.

Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
July 14, 2020 7:56 am

It is clear the program has been completed and Phoebe is “generously” providing Dr Soon a heads up that his misdeeds will be part of a major “expose”.

The best weapon against such tactics is to insure widespread awareness of Dr Soon’s reply. But as Mark Twain suggested “A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes.” Phoebe has the Bully Pulpit.

Rod Evans
July 14, 2020 12:11 am

Thank you Dr Soon for a well balanced response to an obviously charged and biased position letter from the BBC. As others have done, can I as a native Brit, apologise for you being asked to respond to such a discredited agenda pushing organisation such as the BBC.
Over the coming months the BBC will be rolling out its latest policy of disgrace. That is to charge the over 75 year olds’ for watching and listening to the BBC output. The older pensioners were previously exempted from paying for the BBC propaganda but now “Autie” thinks it is time to charge them? The response from the UK government to this latest foot shooting exercise, by the Biased Broadcasting Corporation BBC, will be to remove criminal penalty authority from the BBC’s fee collection service. The result of that change will stop people going to jail for failure to pay £157/year to the BBC. The jailed cohort for failure to pay the licence fee are mostly young poor women with no money to spare. Perhaps the BBC are hoping to add 80 year old pensioners with no money to their jailbird stats.
You have a greater patience than many of us Dr Soon, keep up the great work you do, and rest assured very few people actually watch or listen to the BBC despite what they claim.

Reply to  Rod Evans
July 14, 2020 7:07 am

The licence isn’t to watch the BBC. That would not be unreasonable. You need it to watch any live TV from any source, even from abroad, and also for the BBC’s catch-up service iPlayer.

Rod Evans
Reply to  RobH
July 14, 2020 9:30 am

I hear what you say Rob and I know that is the general background to the licence fee. It does beg the question then, why do the BBC think they have the sole right to decide, those over 75 should be forced to now pay, with pain of imprisonment if they don’t pay the BBC’s demands?
The BBC are trying to have it both ways aren’t they?
You need a licence to tune in to all terrestrial broadcasting, or so they tell us, but only the BBC holds the right to define the price and the authority to impose jail for those who do not pay up. How very woke of them…..

Michael Boyles
July 14, 2020 12:14 am

When your pension is, in part, dependant on investments in renewable energy schemes (the claimed antidote to CO2 emissions) what else can you expect from the biased BBC?

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July 14, 2020 3:30 am


Reply to  Michael Boyles
July 14, 2020 5:46 am

Yes, what will happen to pension funds when the renewable energy schemes racket is fully exposed?

Reply to  Michael Boyles
July 15, 2020 1:24 am

“When your pension is, in part, dependant on investments in renewable energy schemes (the claimed antidote to CO2 emissions) what else can you expect from the biased BBC?”

Not much relevant. The BBC is a religious organization, they believe in Politics.

Paul from Oz
July 14, 2020 12:16 am

The ABC in Oz has got to be even worse.
There is NO way that the ABC would invite a response by an evil denier of the apocalypse.
The thought would not enter their tiny ,well remunerated souls.

Reply to  Paul from Oz
July 17, 2020 6:50 am

Paul is right-our ABC is even worse
WUWT readers may be staggered to learn that the first time anyone ever suggested that the huge bushfires in OZ in December – January were predictable because of the drying effects of the Indian Ocean Dipole, which had been explained by our Bureau of Meteorology, was first mentioned by Michael Manne as a guest on the ABC’s Q and A program earlier this year.
That was the first time the IOD was ever mentioned on the ABC.Up to then (and still is) it was of course climate change that caused the fires was a given in any ABC discussion programs
Geraldine Doogue, one of the ABC’s better presenters on her Saturday morning radio program, confessed she had never heard of the IOD -well of course she hadn’t How could she when she works at the ABC

Michael in Dublin
July 14, 2020 12:25 am

Two words sum up Dr Soon:
thorough and meticulous

No scientist could wish for a higher accolade.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 14, 2020 3:06 am


That makes 97.

July 14, 2020 12:25 am

My guess is they will cherry-pick to suit their narrative

The full list of programmes is here:

July 14, 2020 12:35 am

If he is interviewed Willie should record the entire interview and post to YouTube or other site. I have no doubt they would talk to him for hours to try and get one ‘incriminating’ soundbite.
It is unfortunate that real journalism seems to be dead, if it ever lived in the first place.

Reply to  Ulick Stafford
July 14, 2020 6:25 am

Students go into journalism “to make the world a better place”…according to Marx.

There are no jobs available for real journalists…unless John Solomon needs some help.

Andrew Conway
July 14, 2020 12:42 am

Great response. Well said.

Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
July 14, 2020 12:45 am

My advice is to ignore the Bonkers Biased Corpse. They are a propaganda outfit with no interest in the truth. They use the Lewandowsky tactic: tell blatant lies, knowing that even if they are eventually forced to retract, only a very few will ever hear the retraction and the audience will only remember their lies.

4 Eyes
July 14, 2020 12:47 am

If Phoebe had any decency at all and just a little bit of journalistic competency and stop trying to be an activist herself she would also make a radio series addressing the way alarmist scientists have exaggerated and distorted the certainty of their so called science. And then let the public decide rather tell us what to think. She could ask Willie for his knowledge of their shenanigans and ask the alarmists to support scientifically all their assertions i.e. put the boot on the other foot. She would be surprised and rather incredulous I am sure. She could then ask Lindzen and Curry and many others for their comments. In time she might realize just how big and powerful Big Green is and just how devious some politicians have been.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  4 Eyes
July 14, 2020 3:05 am

No, she should not ask Curry or Lindzen for their comments on real science, she should ask Mann and Oreskes for their comments and see how they justify their psuedo science.

John V. Wright
July 14, 2020 12:52 am

As a former journalist in the UK I can tell you that BBC ‘journalism’ is a disgrace to the profession. People like little Phoebe have no concept of truly investigative reporting. Unlike true journalists, she will not approach this programme with an open mind – indeed, the tone and content of her priggish email to Dr Soon will have professional, time-served journalists cringing with embarrassment.

The other thing, of course, is that even if Phoebe did try to produce a balanced account she would damage her long-term career prospects with her employer. You have to ‘play the game’ to get on at the BBC. Dr Soon’s careful and fact-packed response is, of course, lost on little Phoebe – it’s too difficult to her head around. She will parrot her findings, as far as she is capable of understanding them, back to her producer who will carefully guide her next steps.

But thanks for the response Dr Soon. By the way, this empty-headed, unthinking, uninvestigative, biased, nodding donkey approach to the issues of the day is prevalent in all aspects of the BBC’s output and has to be suffered every day by the British people.

Peter F Gill
July 14, 2020 12:54 am

Yet another English Graduate and Drama Queen tackles “Climate Change”. This time Phoebe Keene will have a read problem with Willie’s response. One can almost feel for her. She has effectively asked Willie has he stopped beating his wife hoping for a one word answer that would sink him. Instead she has got something that, given her agenda, she can at best only try to misrepresent. I can imagine those heated discussion that she will be having with that other notorious English Graduate, Roger Harrabin. We will have to wait and see. This could be very interesting.

Brian Jackson
July 14, 2020 12:59 am

Look at her introductory remarks – “making a series about how big oil has influenced the debate away from human caused global warming”.
Thus the question has already been decided – it were t’ oil cumpnies wat did it.
Typical BBC very biased reporting. Decide the question first then look for support for the BBC’s already decided position on the issue.
The BBC is long past its sellby date.
Brian j in UK.

Reply to  Brian Jackson
July 14, 2020 8:11 am

“it were t’ oil cumpnies wat did it.”

I totally read that with a Northern accent, Brian. Made me laugh!

July 14, 2020 1:00 am

It is simpler than this. Smoking, lead in petrol, CFCs, are dangerous at any level.

If temperature response is low, CO2 is a benefit to the planet. This is well known established science going back centuries. In this 100% of scientists agree.

If temperature response is high, CO2 is a potential risk to the planet. This is very young science with no real proof, just postulation.

This is why the BBC cant lump climate change and smoking in the same basket. This is their fundamental dishonesty. Point this out to them, and this alone. It devastates their argument.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Matt_S
July 14, 2020 10:00 am

“lead in petrol,”

Yes, obviously it was the lead that damaged the brains of the current generation of teachers, leading to the creation of the ‘woke’ generation that didn’t learn to think.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 14, 2020 2:40 pm

I am of the belief that the use of mutagenic poison gases in WWI has done a number on successive generations of UK thinkers. Either that, or the application of similar poisons to ivy covered walls in academia has profoundly damaged their occupants’ brains.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Matt_S
July 14, 2020 12:50 pm

Climate history plainly shows CO2 to have NO “climate driving” power. 17 times as much as today’s level couldn’t induce the “runaway global warming” that is supposedly going to be cause by 400+ ppm today. 10 times as much as today (and INCREASING to 11 times as much as today) couldn’t STOP the Earth from descending into a full blown ICE AGE from a “hot house” period.

The supposed “effect” of CO2 on temperature depends on the all-important scientific caveat “all other things held equal.” Here in the real world, this purely hypothetical effect does not exist, since the required condition of “all other things” remaining unchanged has never existed, does not exist now, and will not exist in the future. The Earth’s climate feedbacks are plainly negative, offsetting feedbacks, not positive, amplifying feedbacks, else the Earth would have turned into Venus long before there were humans to blame it on, based on historical CO2 levels.

Rich Davis
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
July 14, 2020 4:00 pm

Thus we must deny the accuracy of paleoclimate proxy data, hypothesize a low TSI in eons past, deny that there has ever been any substantial variation in climate since the start of the current interstadial, invoke mega volcanoes to account for cold events, and generally torture the data until they say what is expected.

July 14, 2020 1:02 am

If the BBC is concerned about expressions of doubt about climate change, doubts fuelled by claims (spurious) of millions of dollars from the oil gas and coal companies to scientists such as Dr Soon , what will they make of the latest item picked up at Notricks zone by Kenneth Richard :
looking at the paper (open access from Environ Res Lett)
and the abstract:
On short (15-year) to mid-term (30-year) time-scales how the Earth’s surface temperature evolves can be dominated by internal variability as demonstrated by the global-warming pause or ‘hiatus’. In this study, we use six single model initial-condition large ensembles (SMILEs) and the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project 5 (CMIP5) to visualise the role of internal variability in controlling possible observable surface temperature trends in the short-term and mid-term projections from 2019 onwards. We confirm that in the short-term, surface temperature trend projections are dominated by internal variability, with little influence of structural model differences or warming pathway. Additionally we demonstrate that this result is independent of the model-dependent estimate of the magnitude of internal variability. Indeed, and perhaps counter intuitively, in all models a lack of warming, or even a cooling trend could be observed at all individual points on the globe, even under the largest greenhouse gas emissions. The near-equivalence of all six SMILEs and CMIP5 demonstrates the robustness of this result to the choice of models used. On the mid-term time-scale, we confirm that structural model differences and scenario uncertainties play a larger role in controlling surface temperature trend projections than they did on the shorter time-scale. In addition we show that whether internal variability still dominates, or whether model uncertainties and internal variability are a similar magnitude, depends on the estimate of internal variability, which differs between the SMILEs. Finally we show that even out to thirty years large parts of the globe (or most of the globe in MPI-GE and CMIP5) could still experience no-warming due to internal variability.”-

The paper continues a series on the possible significance of internal variability and the importance of considering it in the general climate change debate .
I am sure that the paper will attract the customary “Nick-picking” but if it generates a debate, the rumours of which drift back to the BBC, perhaps it might spur a more objective approach by the latter. Probably a forlorn hope alas.

Garland Lowe
July 14, 2020 1:20 am

Great response, but I think it was a waste of time. If the BBC reports on any of Dr. Soon’s responses, they will spin it to question Dr. Son’s credibility and motive.

Stephen Richards
July 14, 2020 1:21 am

BBC crap journalism on full display.

My God and the brits are forced to pay for tis. There are elderly people in prison for refusing.

Alan Tomalty
July 14, 2020 1:24 am

Willie should have reported on Dr Susan Crockford’s book and paper : that the polar bears population is higher than ever. Crockford, S.J. 2015. “Global polar bear population estimate about 26,000 (20,000-32,000), despite PBSG waffling.” [Critique and deconstruction of the IUCN PBSG population estimates]

July 14, 2020 1:26 am

As a Brit I am utterly disgusted that I am forced, by law, to pay for these insults and defamation.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
July 14, 2020 1:31 am

So the BBC have started to get desperate as its collective deliberate deception of the public on climate change has failed to convince most British people that there is any kind of real emergency. Going after individual targets to intimidate others is now what the BBC intends and I fully distrust their real motives for approaching Dr Soon, whatever the glove puppet producer thinks she has been instructed to do.
I think Dr Soon should issue a public letter setting out why the BBC deserves no trust or confidence from him or anyone else on the basis of their track record or motives and refuse to help them.
I would compare being asked to help the BBC on a programme about climate change to being invited to roll about in a vat of sewage. The BBC is a disgrace and needs defunding by a public who increasingly despises it.

Carl Friis-Hansen
July 14, 2020 1:36 am

I always feel so good after reading or listening to Dr. Willie Soon, and he didn’t fail me this time either.

On small thing I may question, is his last statement:

you will realize that there are two sides to the climate question based on the data currently available.

My assumption is that there is a huge amount of viewpoints. Even here on WUWT there are as many opinions and “facts” as there are colors in Bifrost.

Coeur de Lion
July 14, 2020 1:40 am

I am going to complain again, expressing my shock and horror that the British Broadcasting Company should have so carelessly smeared itself on a global basis thereby affecting the reputation of my country. (I always tick the box requiring a reply. BBC is running a couple of months astern at the moment. Keep it up)

Dudley Horscroft
July 14, 2020 1:41 am

Chris Curwen July 13, 2020 at 11:51 pm stated:-

“Phoebe Keane is on LinkedIn. She is a graduate in English Literature and Drama, with a Masters in “Broadcast Journalism”. She obviously doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about where the science is concerned, and appears to be putting together another of the BBC’s hatchet jobs on a real climate scientist. The whole basis of her series is preconceived and biased assertion.”

I, rather differently from most responders to date, don’t blame Phoebe Keane for this. I would suggest that she was given a brief and put in charge of the project. That she may not have been aware of the details of the climate change controversy is very likely, given her background. As such, “she was dropped in it.”

It would be very interesting to see what comes of the program, and if it becomes a reasonable summary of the assertions that “the oil industry has carried out a campaign to make us doubt climate change.” Will it support that alleged campaign, or will it expose the reverse campaign by ‘alarmists’. Whose tactics weaponised doubt? Have the ‘climate alarmists’ managed to undermine science, and create a “sense of distrust in facts and experts which has spread far beyond climate change”?

Unfortunately here in Australia it seems impossible to get the BBC – you have to sign up and pay MONEY – would it be possible for someone in the UK to record the program and then put it on You Tube for us all to see and hear?

Ivor Ward
July 14, 2020 1:46 am

If you have ever tried to make a pig go backwards you will know what it is like to try and change a closed BBC “mind”.

John K. Sutherland
Reply to  Ivor Ward
July 14, 2020 7:10 am

Ivor Ward. To make a pig go backward, put a bucket over its head and watch it back up, with speed. I recovered two escpaed pigs that way.

Larry in Texas
July 14, 2020 1:51 am

Well done, Dr. Soon. Well done. The BBC should be privatized and confined to the dustbins of their own distorted arguments. Why hasn’t Boris Johnson already done away with the TV license fee in the UK? If I were a Brit, I wouldn’t be paying that ridiculous license fee. Not with the propaganda BBC puts out on a daily basis.

Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 14, 2020 7:00 am

The problem is that it’s classed as a tax, and it’s a criminal offence to evade it. You can only legally not pay it if you never watch any live TV from any source, even from outside the UK. They do enforce itz same conviction can meant a criminal record.

Harry Passfield
July 14, 2020 1:56 am

Having once again had to respond to the nonsense that he gets ‘millions’ from evil ff/oil barons, I’d lay odds that the BBC will still stick to their meme and continue to slander (libel?) Willie. What will it take to shut down such a fake story?

Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 1:59 am

I am not sure why Dr. Soon objects to being contacted through the Heartland Institute. The Heartland
Insitute has a prominent webpage entitled “Who We Are – Willie Soon” and on it it states clearly
“Contact Willie Soon” and gives the email address “”. So if Willie Soon does not want
to be contacted this way then all he needs to do is stop accepting payment from the Heartland Institute and to be removed from their website.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 3:14 am

You know, it’s usual to have a private and a job email account.
To be asked privately, it’s usual to use the private email account.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 3:17 am

I didn’t get the impression or imagine Willie was objecting to the Heartland institute in any way. He was saying it is a strange way to contact someone via the club or association they support, rather than via their place of professional employment of direct mail to his home.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 3:35 am

From this entire article you took that away?

John Endicott
Reply to  Derg
July 14, 2020 4:55 am

That’s the only thing the troll could grab onto.

Reply to  Derg
July 14, 2020 8:28 am

He’s like Nick, looking for a way to distract attention from the real issues.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 10:00 am

I am not sure why Dr. Soon objects to being contacted through the Heartland Institute.

Isn’t it obvious Izaak? It’s right there in the response.

“I am not pleased that you saw fit to circulate your letter, with its numerous libellous comments, to a third party.”

Clearly Dr. Soon objects to the “libellous comments” included in the letter about him and proffered to the Heartland Institute via the BBC conquistadoress. If you were a member of prestigious organization like Heartland, would YOU want some assuming BBC hack indiscriminately pushing conspiracy theories about you to that organization?

I mean, good grief he said right there in the letter???

Izaak Walton
Reply to  sycomputing
July 14, 2020 11:32 am

Again if Dr. Soon doesn’t want to be contacted through the Heartland Institute he needs to change their website where it states “Contact Willie Soon” and gives the email address “”. Furthermore the Heartland Institute is not a third party but an employer of Dr. Soon.

And he might make it easier for people to contact him. For instance his Google Scholar page states “no verified email address” and he is not listed on the Harvard Staff directory nor does he have his own webpage at the Harvard Centre for Astrophysics. If I was a reporter trying to meet a deadline then I would spend a reasonable amount of time trying to find an email address for Dr. Soon and failing that go back to the Heartland Institute which is the only place that lists a contact address for him.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 12:37 pm

– For instance his Google Scholar page states “no verified email address”
As an alumni of University College London I have an uclmail dot net email address granted to me as graduate of the college. One purpose of this address is to allow me to demonstrate my bone fides as an independent researcher. I have tried many times to get Google Scholar to recognise that this is an address rising from a legitimate academic location. Does Google Scholar respond in any way?
So, like Willie Soon I too have no recognised email address on my Google Scholar profile. Just to add insult to injury Google Scholar recently asked me to add an email address. Can I do so? No, the automatic system still fails to recognize my uclmail address as being authentic, but they send emails to my private address!

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 12:45 pm

Again if Dr. Soon doesn’t want to be contacted through the Heartland Institute . . .

Well, “again,” that isn’t exactly what he said is it? What he said was, “It is also regrettable that you attempted to contact me in such a roundabout way, i.e., by going through the Heartland Institute, rather than emailing me directly here at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.” And in context his main issue with that method was the libelous material he believed the individual “circulated” to the 3rd party, Heartland.

Sounds to me like the inside story is this person may have attempted to contact others before Dr. Soon, and included the offending material in her attempt to contact him through them. For example, forwarding her “journalistic” request to others to forward to Dr. Soon.

Furthermore the Heartland Institute is not a third party but an employer of Dr. Soon.

Interesting, is this because you know better than Dr. Soon himself who are his “employers” and how he should reference them?

And he might make it easier for people to contact him. For instance his Google Scholar page states “no verified email address” and he is not listed on the Harvard Staff directory nor does he have his own webpage at the Harvard Centre for Astrophysics.

I guess it really isn’t for you or I to decide on his behalf whether Dr. Soon should “make it easier for people” to contact Dr. Soon, or would you disagree? Beyond this I assume you mean “make it easier” because no real journalist would ever think to access Harvard’s contact page to call and speak with someone who can direct them to Dr. Soon?

If I was a reporter trying to meet a deadline then I would spend a reasonable amount of time trying to find an email address for Dr. Soon and failing that go back to the Heartland Institute which is the only place that lists a contact address for him.

I don’t think you should be a journalist, Izaak. Even I can find Dr. Willie Soon without Heartland, and I’m just a simpleton. It would appear neither you nor Phoebe are particularly suited for the craft, if your defense of her actions is accurate.

If I’m on a deadline I’m going to do a Google search and then call Harvard. But that’s just me, what do I know, I’m not a journalist? Maybe it’s required one do it the hard way. Maybe it’s required one include libelous material in one’s 3rd party contact requests, and first forward that to whomever one may in their search for a particular individual. I wouldn’t, but then I’m not a “journalist.”

Now just to be clear, I can’t speak to whether or not she included the libelous material maliciously. I’m happy to believe that she’s pretty much what you’ve described her as here, i.e., a bit of a “blonde,” and not too smart, if you get my drift.

What say you?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  sycomputing
July 14, 2020 1:56 pm

The web address you give is a generic one that does not list Willie Soon explicitly. In contract the Heartland Institute webpage entitled “Who we are — Willie Soon” has an
explicit link stating “contact Willie Soon”. If Dr. Soon does not wish to contacted through the Heartland Institute then he should ask them to remove that link. I assume that he is aware of it and the web page and approves of it. Thus he only has himself to be blamed if he gets contacted that way.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 2:37 pm

The web address you give is a generic one that does not list Willie Soon explicitly.

Why does it have to again? In context that web address was given after I said this: “Beyond this I assume you mean ‘make it easier’ because no real journalist would ever think to access Harvard’s contact page to call and speak with someone who can direct them to Dr. Soon?”

So you would argue that the web address where one could make a phone call to contact Dr. Soon doesn’t list Dr. Soon explicitly and thus should prevent our wondrous BBC reporter of various feminine issues turned investigative powerhouse climate change reporter from satisfaction in contacting him?

Because the first return in a Google search for “Willie Soon” lists him at Harvard?

If Dr. Soon does not wish to contacted through the Heartland Institute then he should ask them to remove that link.

“Again,” I don’t think that’s what he’s saying, Izaak. I think he’s looking for interested parties who wish to contact him via 3rd party websites to forego including libelous allegations in those contact requests. Hardly an unreasonable desire don’t you agree?

Maybe he should put a disclaimer on that link at Heartland:

“If you’re a member of the BBC’s distinguished ‘Female 0rgasm,’ ‘Pain During Sex,’ and ‘Why Do We Cheat’ turned powerhouse investigate reporter of climate change journalism team, who’s oddly extraordinarily inept at research using the world’s #1 search engine to discover where I’m actually employed full time, and you wish to contact me via this 3rd party website without thinking about the libelous material that exists in the body of your email, please refrain from doing so. Please send your callous requests to

What about that?

I’m joking of course, but I mean really, Izaak. Are you so obtuse as this?

John Endicott
Reply to  sycomputing
July 15, 2020 1:46 am

No, he’s just a troll who is looking for anything to latch onto to distract from the substance of Dr Soon’s reply. Sad and Pathetic.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 14, 2020 6:06 pm

In less than two minutes with a search engine, I found this page:
where Dr. Soon’s email address at the Center for Astrophysics is clearly indicated. Any “journalist” who deliberately chooses to contact him via the Heartland Institute rather than the CfA — his primary employer! — is clearly choosing to grind their axe…

July 14, 2020 1:59 am

A few years ago BBC staff were forbidden, on pain of dismissal, to broadcast anything which contradicted the “concensus” on CAGW, on the grounds that the science is settled.
If Phoebe broadcasts Dr. Soon’s replies she faces being sacked.

July 14, 2020 2:03 am

Many thanks to Dr Soon for an excellent and measured response to Phoebe Keane’s request.

Dr Soon’s response must have taken a significant amount of his valuable time. I do hope that Ms Phoebe Keane reads all the information provided and takes serious note of them.

Thank you Dr Soon, I learned a great deal from all that information.

Barry Rathbone
July 14, 2020 2:06 am

Whilst I enjoyed the reply it was an opportunity missed.

One of the key points of the entire issue is getting the likes of the BBC to afford a platform allowing skeptical views parity with preachings of cagw credo. A briefer, less technical answer bereft of the prickliness MIGHT have opened that door. With a hat tip to President LB Johnson “Better to have your enemy inside your tent pissing out than outside pissing in.”

Serge Wright
July 14, 2020 2:32 am

“I’m making a BBC Radio series about the way oil companies have over emphasized the uncertainty around climate change”

A great detailed technical response by Willie, but this opening line gives away that it’s an obvious setup and stitch up. The reality is that the oil companies have become part of the big green rent-seeking woke brigade many years ago and the only conspiracy worth chasing here is the one being run by outlets like the BBC who continue to push this empty barrow to sideline climate dissidents.

If I was Willie I would have responded politely “No, but if you ever get around to doing a radio series on how the BBC over-emphasises the certainly around absurdly implausible climate doomsday predictions, then please count me in”.

July 14, 2020 2:44 am

My guess is that The BBC will go ahead and make the programme it wants to make, and that this letter of enquiry to Dr. Willie Soon will be forgotten. Dr. Soon’s response(which of course has now been wisely, and widely shared on forums such as this one) cannot be misinterpreted to fit the required narrative, so the Beeb simply won’t mention it.

July 14, 2020 2:44 am

We should give due respect to Phoebe Keane for contacting Dr. Soon with regards to the upcoming series by the BBC though the series is likely meant to be just another propaganda hit job.

Dr. Soon’s excellent response is an absolute smack-down and tactfully presented.

Stein Storlie Bergsmark
July 14, 2020 2:45 am

a great response from you to this attack! Should be very hard to overlook.
Now I am very curious about Keane’s response!

Bob Evans
July 14, 2020 2:53 am

Over the past four years 3.5 million Brits have stopped paying their TV licence.
The BBC are now making pensioners over 75 pay the TV licence fee for the first time.
Why pay to be brainwashed by this hypocritical and biased organisation, who preach
Liberal/ Left wing views. and pay themselves and presenters huge salaries and expenses.

UK-Weather Lass
July 14, 2020 3:18 am

Mainstream media, wiki, public and private corporations large and small now exist with unhealthy consensus beliefs particularly about climate science. It is now okay to be part of a consensus belief whether that belief is right or wrong. Whatever happened to diversity, independent thought and free spirit?

The BBC has been in decline for a long while now and it isn’t alone. The chancers will continue with the trash for as long as it keeps them going but judgement day is going to arrive sooner than they think.

My heart goes out to the long list of scientists (including Willie Soon) who retain their independence and their conscientiousness by sticking with the whole science and not allowing themselves to be conditioned into agendas they know to be unsafe just to keep their jobs and incomes.

I hope those who think they are keeping safe by following a consensus belief will come to realise what harm their weaknesses cause them. Difference of opinion and debate are healthy for all of us and you stifle them at your peril. The BBC once knew that very well indeed.

Reply to  UK-Weather Lass
July 14, 2020 6:29 am

There is no place for individual thought and opinion in a Marxist utopia. Agree…or else.

Don Vickers
July 14, 2020 3:34 am

Dr Soon and Dr Ridd are in my opinion the only people whom hold scientific integrity above all else.
I am sure there are many others but they are the stand out ones I personally can see whom have suffered the most.

July 14, 2020 3:45 am

Mr. Soon, this is what we call mopping the floor with your opponent! I will guarantee you there will be not a single counter argument but lots of ad hominem.

Gene Doebley
July 14, 2020 3:59 am

I really enjoyed this article, not just because of the science Dr. Soon presents but because Dr. Soon does a great job in beating the snot out of the BBC reporter. My hat is off to him.

July 14, 2020 3:59 am

What the BBC needs is something like this MUST READ about the New York Times :
Why New York Times praises ‘cancel culture’ but skips over its own racist history: Goodwin

It sure looks like science is to be cancelled, the Renaissance, De Cusa’s De Docta Ignoranta, Leibniz, …
Is this what Prince Charles means about the Great Reset which he will keynote the Davos Crowd soon?

Can’t decide whether BBC or NYT gets the biscuit, though.

July 14, 2020 4:00 am

Very smart response to the letter, posting it publicly along with your comments. You not only refute all BBC allegations ahead of time, but you have also pointed out flaws in their reasoning and approach. Their upcoming project can now be judged against your advice. And no doubt found wanting.

If they go ahead with what they intended, they are sure to make fools of themselves. But because of your fair warning, it won’t be inadvertently this time. It can only be intentional. LMAO.

July 14, 2020 4:05 am

Note how the BBC’s intentions are clear from the start?

Despite asking Willie for his views, that has less to do with seeking answers from both sides (because they don’t accept there’s two sides of equal importance in the climate ‘debate’) and more to do with journalistic protocols of seeking the opinion of the subject of your hit piece.

Rest assured they’ll also seek to use Willie’s answers against him.

I stopped paying their TV tax at least 5 years ago and strongly suggest any UK citizen’s on here do the same. Hitting them where it hurts is our only available response.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  CheshireRed
July 14, 2020 10:09 am

Yes, “Hitting them where it hurts” is analogous to putting a bucket over a pig’s head.

July 14, 2020 4:06 am

The great British Broadcasting Corporation was a bastion of common sense and source of information without hidden agenda well into the 1980’s and early 90’s. Since then it has ceaselessly embarrassed itself with poor quality journalism and almost outlandish policies that have moved it further and further to the left. It does not care that its core has been tarnished and will care even less about the public opinion that will be alienated by forcing licence fees on the over 75s. The only thing it cares about is supporting minorities and ensuring that their voice is heard so loud that it drowns out any views of the silent majority. There is no attempt for balance or reasoned debate anymore. Indeed the Biased Blame Culture machine will roll on until its demise when the public finally get fed up and turns to online streaming where they actually have a choice of what to see and listen to.

Reply to  Ouluman
July 14, 2020 6:36 am

I used to tune in to the short wave BBC World Service to get the real news….because the US news services had been compromised by Leftists. That was back in the ’70’s and early 80’s.

Now, the BBC is totally corrupted just like everything the Left touches. Leftism is incompatible with the truth.

Wolf at the door
July 14, 2020 4:10 am

As usual,Willie Soon proves himself to be a shining light even among a galaxy of shining lights in the climate arena, alongside Richard Lindzen,John Christy,Anthony Watts,Will Happer,Roy Spencer,yes-and Tony Heller-,TimBall,Judith Curry,Christopher Essex,Jennefer Marohasy and many more.But for 30 years the BBC has ignored and\ or belittled such real scientists preferring to peddle the work of charlatans such as Mann,Santer and co.
However ,the BBC is under pressure like never before.There is a “defund the BBC” petition circulating and the decision to force the elderly to pay license fees is proving very unpopular.There is also a new Director General.Might I humbly echo a previous comment and urge all who can to listen to the proposed programmes
and complain-“call them out “-on each and every lie,inaccuracy,obfuscation and bias. Swamp them using their own complaints procedure.It’s time consuming and frustrating(I know!) but it just might effect some change.
Oh for a televised debate between John Christy and Tony Heller versus Mann and …well anyone really!

July 14, 2020 5:18 am

Thanks for your good posting. I am highly convinced about your good will.
However I am not entirely happy with your answer to the funding question. And do not believe it will resolve the issue.
The question does not say that your personally received money from the three groups, just that your research did.
Could you plz specify the quantities:
1. what was the total funding of the institute from 2000-2015?
2. How much did the three groups contribute?
3. How much funding for your research projects in the period
4. Did any of the three groups contribute directly to this amount, and if, how much?
5. What was your salary in the period? I know it is a private matter, but you can give a wide range

Reply to  Karl Iver Dahl-Madsen
July 14, 2020 6:12 am

KID em? Is that the best you can do?

David Lilley
Reply to  Karl Iver Dahl-Madsen
July 14, 2020 2:02 pm

KIDM, you might understand the issue a little better if you take a look at this thread.

July 14, 2020 5:33 am

Perhaps Dr Soon should have pointed out that Exxon-Mobile is a great beneficiary of climate alarmism. As coal plants get shut down they are replaced with natural gas which Exxon-Mobile sells.

John Furst
July 14, 2020 5:34 am

Thank you Dr. Soon!
Your very professional, patient, point-by-point reply is perfect!
You showed what exactly the best scientists do…clear, thoughtful, alway open, public discussion, respectful, morally grounded, seeking truth through process of logic and quantification.
It is to your great honor and to the honor of science that you did take the time to respond so thoroughly.
Thank you!

Rolf H Carlsson
July 14, 2020 5:38 am

What a bliss to have access to internet and be able to share real science, e.g. as presented by Willie Soon, and many others. I am Swedish and forced to pay for the pathetic Swedish epigon of BBC, financed by me as a tax payer. Like most traditional media, state-controlled Swedish-TV/Radio has been taken over by the so-called politically correct (a poisonous mix of postmodernism and Neo-Marxism). Of course, they are in the front-line of climate hysteria and the real scientists are never interviewed or given a chance to give a science-based view of climate realities.

July 14, 2020 5:46 am

Except for here on WUWT, this excellent response from Dr. Soon will get “Cancelled”…never see the light of day. The truth isn’t helpful to the BBC’s current Climate Crisis Propaganda message.

The BBC is “full on” 100% Government Funded Leftist Propaganda…just like the PBS is here in the States.

There is nearly zero journalism being done by the “propaganda class” today.

Their ugly lying Authoritarianism is leaking out for more people to see. But Leftists eat up the propaganda like candy…makes them feel good reading or listening to any lie that helps destroy Western Civilization.

July 14, 2020 5:49 am

It’s a shame Willie’s rational explanations are wholly wasted on Phoebe, a vacuous junior official of the BBC and arts graduate, who will simply make up some response that doesn’t reflect the facts she hasn’t read, this is not unusual.

The public, and the BBC, will never get through the first layer of detail. They believe you can debate scientific reality of laws, and that models are the same as proven science, rather than someone’s crude guess, based on a agenda as are climate models…that that are wrong in fact and their assumptios dispriven byy the science of the last 20 years.

Communications need to be FAR simpler, at a lay level, and pointing out the factual reality, not defending against spurious accusations that are simply ad hom attacks, all these vacuous know nowts like Phoebe have. She is well named (I know, Ad hom). Only the truth matters, not who pays to support what.

It is easy to disprove the models as gross exaggerations whose predictions have failed for 40 years, and state what the reality is. On the observations.

FYI The UK Energy and Climate change act was written by a former FoE activist with an English Literature degree, a clueless delusional with a science free agenda, Baronny Worthington.

This is a big part of the reason why none of the act actually relates to the engineering reality of how best to deliver a sustainable , affordable, controllable, grid compatible, and low CO2 if it mattered, grid energy supply. It was simply written to say CO2 controlled the climate and the only way to make that less was heavily subsidised renewable energy, which energy sources intensity and intermittency make the whole edifice’s delusional thinking pre failed on the basic physics and engineering.

But the politicians are also an ego driven maths and science vacuum, raised to believe they can make their own laws of physics, preferably providing well paid untaxing jobs for the MInisters and senior civil servants responsible with lobbyists and related business after office. It’s legal to profit from the fraud on the energy using public they passed into law, and many have already done it, Huhne, Hendry, Gummer, Yeo an are all beneficiaries of this legalised fraud, on the fact, of the public. At the local national level this was never about the climate or energy supply sustainability.

And anyway the defensive response is the wrong way to argue the truth against lies. If you understand the reality in such depth, it is better in my view to tell people something they can understand and check -m and use as a fact – that destroys the assertive lies at the top level.

The supporting premise is so easy to prove a deliberate lie since the ice cores became available from Greenland and Antarctica, also the other proxies like tree rings and cosmogenic radionuclides.

Now is not unusual for the end of the warming phase of the natural cycle of rising and falling temperatures, up and down 2 degrees every 1,000 years short term, and get a lot colder long term in the ice age cycles. On the records of many ice ages.

In the last warm phase the Vikings farmed Greenland, before that civilisations blossomed in the Roman and Minoan periods of this interglacial, so nothing unusual is happening. And what is happening is not anything humans can change, just defend against. But some can exploit for power and fast buck.

Simple facts best destroy the clearly false idea of runaway or unusual warming. The data does not support this. 40 years of satellite measurements have proven the IPCC models are wrong, on the facts. But clear denial of the models MUST succinctly state what is actually happening and attack the deceit head on with a better truth, not just defend. And it must be said in the same reply, or the moment is lost. Politicians and communicators know this. Scientists don’t. I have been all three so have some idea about this.

Their science fails because the UN politicians started by creating and funding the brief of proving trace gasses caused climate change, to facilitate political control of energy use, which is not how science works.

They didn’t know what natural change there was when they claimed it was CO2 causing observed change, and secondly they deliberately discounted these natural effects to attribute them to CO2, which is why models do not predict reality we observe. Then they miss the opportunity to explain what is happeneing now is normal and seen in the record. WHY?

Few of our realist illuminati seem able to make simple clear points to unscientific people, who currently hold simple false beliefs they have been told they must believe by authority, and do not have the formation to self validate. The simple truth needs communicating pro actively in a way that Phoebe might be able to understand, when given the chance, NOT by scientific references, and able to be put into a populist media format as a comprehensible reply.

In a populist democracy we either learn to communicate the simple truths of climate and energy as self evident to lay people, or fail in magnificent and ultimately pointless academic righteous detail. IMO

Alastair gray
July 14, 2020 5:56 am

This nasty little aparatchick is clearly a waste of a skin and a biassed and dishonest little trollope to boot would that i may have the chance to do so in the future.perhaps in the gulag because when therevolutioncomes toadies like her will be first to be chucked under the bus. Keep an eye on this doubleplus ungood indivaidual . She is on a path to be prime minister

YallaYPoora Kid
July 14, 2020 6:06 am

Where my Aussie compatriot embarrassments Mr Stokes and Ms Griff to make their usual rebuttals and misleading statements about Willie Soon’s excellent response to the BBC?

Crickets. . .

Marcus Allen
July 14, 2020 6:09 am

Thank you very much, Dr Soon, for your comprehensive response to such an impertinent enquiry.

I am about to be charged by the BBC for the privilege of using their output so I will listen to the programmes. Should any reference to the ‘97% of scientists agree’ be made, without clarification, a complaint will be sent.

I could almost feel some degree of sympathy for Phoebe but I am resisting it. She is caught between a rock and a hard place so cannot win no matter what she does, unless she is an honest journalist when her career at the BBC is likely to be a short one.

Bruce Cobb
July 14, 2020 6:14 am

Dearest “Phoebe”,

“In the interest of journalistic fairness and balance, how about a series investigating how the extremely well-funded Climate Alarmist Industry including numerous once-respected “news” enterprises such as yours has for decades engaged in a climate disinformation campaign engaging such tactics as ad hominem, and Appeals to Authority and to “Consensus”, in addition to smearing the reputations of scientists and other lovers of science and truth? Indeed, the enormity and breadth of this campaign would mean that a 10-part series would only scratch the surface, but that’s a good thing, right? I am certain that a journalist with your knowledge, skill, and journalistic integrity could do this subject justice, and just think of the accolades it would bring.
I anxiously await your reply.”

Oops, I think my sarcometer just broke.

Tom Abbott
July 14, 2020 6:28 am

From the article: :I also co-authored a study in 2019 in which we compared the observed snow cover trends for the entire Northern Hemisphere since 1967 to the trends which the IPCC computer models say should have occurred – according to their assumption that CO2 is the primary climate driver. The results were shocking. The current computer models are unable to explain the observed trends in snow cover for either winter, spring, summer or fall. None of the 196 computer model simulations that the IPCC used for their most recent report succeeded in replicating the observed 1967-2018 trends for any of the seasons.”

The BBC should do a separate report on the failure of the climate computer models to recreate reality, as described here by Dr. Soon. If they want to know the truth, that is.

Eyes Wide Open
July 14, 2020 6:29 am

“Pound sand!!!” would have been more direct and to the point . . . .

John Culhane
July 14, 2020 7:31 am

I wonder since there are quite a few episodes being prepared. . . are the partisan activists operating within the BBC setting the table for someone else (like XR) to launch another round of court cases in order to force their agenda on the public by using the legal system to do an end run around parliament by letting activist judges make new laws (or interpret existing law in novel ways)?

I also wonder with the substantial disruption to various governments finances driven by their own recent lock down policies mean certain parties are more interested in trying up governments to keep big greens cash flow going despite any other priorities that need urgent attention?

I have no answers to those questions but it does seem to me the nature of the questions asked Dr. Soon implies the BBC operators are acting on behalf of an external party.

Rolf Mellberg
July 14, 2020 7:36 am

So sad, BBC used to be a symbol for quality an integrity. Nowdays it could be the perfect tool for a resurrected Goebbles.

July 14, 2020 8:15 am

It’s time to start suing for libel.
Of course, that assumes that it is still possible to find an honest court room.

David Roger Wells
July 14, 2020 8:15 am

‘’ Why the email was redacted is beyond me because BBC email addresses are easy to work out as are most email address.

I submitted a 4mb FOI request to the BBC and they replied quoting legislation which in effect allows the media to lie and cheat with impunity and escape sanction. Remember the BBC was set up by the government of the day to refute allegations in the free press. Which at the time was a free press which government felt might be a threat to the supposed sincerity of government propaganda. Its a habit that the BBC cannot change.

Rona Fairhead Chairman
BBC Trust Unit
180 Great Portland Street

Dear Rona

Ref: In A Warming World? CAS-3804754-4BMKZY, CAS-3823472-HT8CSo, CAS-3834353-KBPPY8, CAS-3837243-N96JZ9. Appeal 001/DRW.

Hypocrisy. President Obama the High Priest of catastrophic Co2 warming leading to a climate change apocalypse fuels Air Force 1 complete with 2 C17’s, four helicopters, 500 security staff and enough bomb proof Beasts to consume the planets remaining resources just to fly from Washington to Seattle for a $1500 a plate fund raiser for Hilary Clinton.

David Attenborough and Neil Oliver fly to Australia to enjoy some blue water scuba diving then relax under similar blue skies to weep buckets about bleached coral.

Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio transit the planet in private jets to collect environmental awards for their prolific promotion of scaremongering rhetoric.

40,000 delegates including most of the UN, UNEP, UNFCC, IPCC and Presidents of Atolls all flying first class at our expense to pontificate about catastrophic warming that is not happening and damage from Co2 induced climate change for which there is no evidence.

Christina Figueres had to redefine the purpose of the GCF because when asked Atolls could not provide any evidence of damage caused by Co2 induced climate change because their climate had not changed and there was no damage. So now we have to pay trillions to Atolls to adapt to climate change by building wind turbines. I am so pleased.

Presumably none of these people know that a 747 consumes 4,000 gallons of aviation kerosene just to take off and for a round trip UK/Australia burns 144,000 gallons of kerosene whilst Obama’s trip consumed 500,000 gallons and emitted Co2 as a result.

But all of this is OK because these scions of virtue are saving the planet which means that they can side step accusations of gross hypocrisy and conspicuous consumption and hopefully avoid the strictures they advocate for ordinary folk desperate just to heat their homes in winter and feed their children at a price they can afford.

After four decades of BBC scaremongering about Co2 causing warming:
1. Sea levels have risen since the end of the last glaciation 11,000 years ago
2. But there has been no acceleration in the rate of rise for 90 years
3. Tide gauges show no acceleration despite Co2 up from 0.03% to 0.04%
4. Worst case scenario 6” rise by 2100
5. The Arctic is not ice free as predicted
6. Antarctic sea ice continues to grow
7. The Polar bear population has risen from 4,500 to between 30,000 & 50,000
8. Ocean PH remains at 8, 7 is neutral
9. Global average temperature is 1.4F warmer than 165 years ago
10. Atmospheric Co2 has risen by 1 part in 10,000 over 200 years
11. Global average temperature is 1.8F warmer than 200 years ago
12. Ocean warming is 0.02 C per decade, 0.16C by 2100
13. 8,000 years ago temperature was 2C warmer than today with Co2 at 200ppm
14. Today we are 2C colder with Co2 at 401ppm
15. Minoan, Roman & Medieval warm periods were all warmer than today
16. Antarctic ice cores show temperature always rises before Co2 rises
17. How does Co2 creep out from under ice half a mile thick to warm the atmosphere to melt the half mile thick ice?
18. Temperature rose at the same rate between 1910 & 1940 as between 1970 & 2000
19. Co2 could only have been an issue after 1980
20. 25% of all Co2 ever emitted was emitted between 2001 & 2010
21. Gavin Schmidt of NASA said for the Co2 hypothesis to hold water the lower troposphere needed to warm first, it has not.
22. No indication of Co2 induced warming in 35 years of satellite monitoring
23. Divergence between modelled predictions and observations continues to grow
24. 2015/16 El Nino ends with La Nina expected
25. Sea temperatures falling in response to the end of El Nino
26. No proven relationship between forest fires and warming of just 1.4F
27. IPCC confirms no evidence to support claims of more extreme weather
28. Hurricanes, typhoons, cyclones, storm, flood, drought, tornadoes and loss of life from natural disasters all down
29. Insurance claims have risen only because there is more infrastructure at risk
30. Atmospheric Co2 remains at just 0.039%
31. Co2 is not carbon pollution because you cannot have oxygen free Co2
32. Vibration rotation spectrum of Co2 15 micron band
33. Atmospheric methane CH4 is just 0.00017%
34. Water vapour remains constant – no rise – 99% (78% nitrogen & 21% oxygen)
35. UK emits 1.1% of global Co2 emissions
36. 96.6% of Co2 emissions are natural just 3.4% is the result of fossil fuel usage
37. 7.5 billion people breathing emit 23% of all Co2 emissions
38. Global energy consumption equates to 160,000 TWH’s annually
39. Only 21,000 TWH’s consumed for electricity generation
40. Therefore 13% of 3.4% equates to 0.0052% of Co2 emissions related to electricity generation
41. Therefore closing down all fossil fuelled electricity generation across the planet would only mitigate 5 thousandths % of Co2
42. Hence the reality that even if all Paris COP mitigation is put in place maximum temperature reduction by 2100 would not exceed 0.02 degrees C
43. This number is not measurable and even if it was we could never say whether it was the result of spending trillions of dollars and devastating people’s lives and economies or the result of natural variation
44. 3.8 billion people across the planet still have no reliable source of electricity and cook their food over dried animal dung, fact
45. Yet the BBC cite 30k, then 40k then 50k people in the UK suffer a premature death from air pollution without being able to name one single mortality
46. 4 million die across the planet from COPD because Obama and the World Bank deny developing countries the funds to build low cost super critical fossil fuelled electricity generation based upon the idiotic belief that Co2 has the potential to cause catastrophic warming leading to apocalyptic climate change
47. The BBC in 1974 said that Co2 would cause the next ice age, it did not, they it said that Co2 would cause catastrophic warming it has not
48. Every time the BBC’s predictions fail to materialise they and their alarmist green environmentalist cronies just move the goal posts hoping that we would forget the malignancy of their paranoid delusion, we have not
49. Wind turbines and solar panels the supposed solution to a problem we don’t have today are generating just 3.65 GW’s which I suppose for an investment of £100 billion the BBC would say it is a bargain
50. For the previous two weeks 7,000 wind turbines have not managed to exceed 0.8GW’s
51. Without gas coal and nuclear the lights would have gone out
52. Based upon output turbine generated electricity when related to capital cost is 16 times more expensive than gas or coal hence £10 billion each year in green subsidies and £13.9 billion in environmental levies.
53. Just because someone does not believe in your God or what he wants you to believe does not give you the right to use the word sceptic as a term of abuse
54. You have the right to your own beliefs but not to manufacture your own facts or present your beliefs as facts and if you don’t know the difference between fact, fiction and belief then arguably you are not a fit person to indulge in the pursuit of the scientific method.
55. Shooting the messenger does not invalidate the content of the message
56. Ignorant pontificating about recent weather trends is misleading & a scientifically illiterate exercise. Especially true when related to the instrumental record that covers just 25% of the globe for at best 120 years. Earth is about 4.54 billion years old so the sample size is 0.000002643172%. Our atmosphere weighs 11,710,000,000,000,000,000 pounds, Co2 0.039% of that positive feedback or not this number is insignificant.
57. BBC weasel words: – can, clearly, could, conjectured, considered, expected, may, might, perhaps, possibly, projected, robust, unprecedented. – “Experts suggest…” “It has been said that …” “Research has shown…” “Science indicates …” “It can be argued…” “Scientists believe….” “Scientists say..” “A high level of certainty” “Models predict….” Catastrophic, apocalyptic, dangerous warming, rising sea levels, typhoons, cyclones, flood, drought, extreme weather and tornadoes. Context, as if?
58. Drip feeding suffuse generalisation across the BBC’s wide spectrum of broadcasting could easily be recognised as subliminal messaging for the purpose of brainwashing intimidation and indoctrination, why should we pay to be brainwashed into believing that Co2 is the ultimate 21st century antichrist when there is no evidence to support that myth?

The agreement made at the COP in Paris did not include air and sea travel being a cynic I must assume that this means President Obama and maybe Hilary Clinton, Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio, Naomi Klein, David Suzuki, Christina Figueres and every other political elite across the planet will be able to continue burning kerosene to tell us that we should not because otherwise we are putting Gods work at risk, as if.

There have been no plagues of lice or frogs in fact not one single claim made by alarmists to persuade ordinary folk to believe that Co2 is the 21st century antichrist has come to fruition but the BBC continue to use terms such as “on a warming planet” and “scientists say” but these terms are never qualified by data, the issue is never put into context.

If it is not the intention of the BBC to propagate scaremongering rhetoric on behalf of the green donation and rent seeking fraternity allied as they are to the private equity funds, rich land owners, foreign wind farm operators and grant reliant pseudo scientists desperate to persuade gullible vested interest politicians easily bewildered by the mere mention of the words climate change and the effect it might have on their already tarnished reputations especially if Co2 is exonerated. Then why does the BBC never put its suffuse generality into context by citing the numbers which are easily available?

If there was no intent to deceive license fee payers into believing that Co2 had the potential to cause an apocalypse, then why did the BBC on numerous occasions stand Roger Harrabin in front of a back lit coal fired power station hoping that we would believe that white steam exiting the steam turbine was in fact black carbon pollution? This was an act of deliberate and premeditated misrepresentation with an intent to deceive which if practised by a Plc would result in a criminal conviction for misrepresentation or in the case of the BBC could be seen as an abuse in public office.

When the BBC responds to a complaint it tries to give the impression that everyone is entitled to their views and opinions in an attempt to avoid admitting that facts do indeed exist. In the past the BBC has said that within the average news broadcast there just is not enough time to cover all of the issues that would take at least two hour long documentaries. Maybe the BBC should contact President Obama because he has spent the last 8 years and $80 billion trying to prove that Co2 and humanity has the potential to cause a climate apocalypse and failed so knowing the BBC could resolve the issue in just two hours would be a revelation beyond his wildest dreams.

Then we have “consensus” “settled science” “97% of scientists agree” claims that have nothing whatsoever to do with the scientific method just pure political manipulation to advance the political initiative promoted by Maurice Strong to use Co2 as the vehicle to mobilise his intent to redistribute wealth and resources from the poor in the developed world to the rich in the developing world. In the same way that wind turbines in the UK recycle hard cash from the working poor to enrich the already rich private equity funds, land owners and foreign wind farm operators. Dong are proceeding with a £10 billion float on the back of £10 billion being paid each year in green subsidies by UK home owners and another £13.9 billion in environmental levies plus the carbon floor tax which is 4 times the EU average.

Alarmists switched their narrative from CAGW to climate change simply because their hysterical rhetoric was easily contradicted by 35 years of satellite monitoring.

Now alarmists could abuse their opponents as climate change deniers which really is not very clever because their opponents had never denied that our climate had changed they just questioned the belief that Co2 had the potential to cause run away warming.

Metaphorically speaking Al Gore and his green acolytes needed to shoot the messenger because they didn’t like the contents of the message and trying to get a gullible public to believe that denying climate change was the same as denying the holocaust seemed like a good idea except that it didn’t have the desired effect. Though the BBC condoned this offensive behaviour for quite some time before they realised it was offensive. Though the more offensive alarmists still believe that this type of abuse will eventually win through but I doubt it.

When NASA, NOAA shout it’s the warmest year “Eva” they like the BBC never refer to the satellite data because that data contradicts what NOAA and NASA want us to believe because they are 100% reliant upon federal funding. They have to deny the evidence provided by their own instrumentation on their own satellites because it is in their interest, support President Obama or die from lack of funding. In fact, Gavin Schmidt goes out of his way to critique the work of Dr John Christy of Alabama State University and is always proven wrong.

Advanced micro wave sounding units mounted on NASA and NOAA satellites monitor temperature across 360 degrees of the planet twice daily from ground zero to 8 km’s including oceans, deserts, forests and both poles land based station coverage does not. It is recorded fact that land based station data is affected by land use change, UHI and has been updated and edited to create a warming trend which the raw data does not reflect.

Rod Liddle and Peter Sissons have said that the BBC really does believe that all it needs to do to push a particular story line is to pay someone with a PhD to front the program and mouth a bunch of rhetorical gibberish completely absent of any substance and then if anyone complains they just act stupid and blame the guest.

If the BBC had nothing to hide then why did it pay Jones and Nurse – two geneticists – to rewrite its editorial standards to try and make license fee payers believe that its prejudice and bias towards anyone who contradicted their global warm propaganda was entirely justified because “there was a consensus” and “97% of scientists agreed” that 1 part in 10,000 extra of Co2 would cause an apocalypse when 4 decades later not a glimmer.

Deception is deception and deceit cannot be disappeared just because the BBC employs to members of the Royal Society to try and legitimise its deceit. The Royal Society has a long history of trying to demonise Co2 as the harbinger of our doom and they are just as guilty of deception in that respect as the BBC.

Is There a “Consensus” in Science? Remembering the Late Michael Crichton. “I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

“Let’s be clear: The work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
“There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. . . .

“I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way. .”

Dr Tim Ball. “I was as opposed to the threats of doom associated with global cooling in the 1970s because it was bad science as I am today about warming. Compare the similarities of impending doom in Lowell Ponte’s 1976 book The Cooling with what alarmists are saying today.”

“It is cold fact: the global cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species.”

Change the seventh-word “cooling” to warming and it is the same hysteria designed to panic people and prevent logic, but 180 degrees removed. One promoter of the book wrote,

“The dramatic importance of climate changes to the worlds future has been dangerously underestimated by many, often because we have been lulled by modern technology into thinking we have conquered nature. (Really?) But this well-written book points out in clear language that the climatic threat could be as awesome as any we might face, and that massive worldwide actions to hedge against that threat deserve immediate consideration. At a minimum, public awareness of the possibilities must commence, and Lowell Ponte’s provocative work is a good place to start.”

These words of warning exploited the false threat of cooling were written by Stephen Schneider, the person who became the major spokesperson of global warming just a few years later. The IPCC dedicated the Synthesis Report of the Fifth Assessment Report to him. They wrote,

“Steve Schneider, born in New York, trained as a plasma physicist, embraced scholarship in the field of climate science almost 40 years ago and continued his relentless efforts creating new knowledge in the field and informing policymakers and the public at large on the growing problem of climate change and solutions for dealing with it. At all times Steve Schneider remained intrepid and forthright in expressing his views. His convictions were driven by the strength of his outstanding scientific expertise.”

“Lead Author, Coordinating Lead Author and Expert Reviewer for various Assessment Reports and a member of the Core Writing Team for the Synthesis Report of the Fourth Assessment Report (FAR). His life and accomplishments have inspired and motivated members of the Core Writing Team of this Report.”

The IPCC brought him back to help write the deceitful FAR Synthesis Report because of the disasters exposed by Climategate and the collapse of the Kyoto Protocol. He explained why he was the perfect person for the job in a 1989 Discovery magazine article

(This is what the BBC have swallowed hook line and sinker.) “On the one hand we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but, which means that we must include all the doubts, caveats, ifs and buts.

On the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change.

To do that we have to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination.

That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This double ethical bind which we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” Dr Stephen Schneider, Discover, October 1989.

Here is what former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015 said.

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,”

Schneider likely knew, or should have known about Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, who said.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,”

Clearly the BBC have remained committed to every word that Dr Stephen Schneider has written. In 1974 The ice age is due now anytime” – Professor George Kukla, Columbia University, 1974, The Weather Machine. In 1989 its Co2 induced run away global warming, does anyone in the BBC have even a remote clue what they are talking about?

Conclusion. There is no verifiable evidence that Co2 has caused runway or catastrophic warming that could lead to a climate apocalypse. Unless the BBC can provide evidence which is verifiable that is not couched in suffuse vague generalisations of cant and humbug then the BBC should in future to resist the temptation to spend licence fee payers money on the proliferation of empty rhetorical scaremongering propaganda.

The BBC needs to state exactly why it believes that paying fees to minor league celebrity pseudo scientists who relish in plastering their ego’s across the internet to promote themselves as really lovely people whose interests are blue water diving, exploring the Arctic and Antarctic and living their dreams but at our expense. When their main purpose in life appears to be undertaking research that allows them to cultivate new and meaningful scare stories that will encourage HMG to give them another grant and persuade the BBC to pay them more money to foster the illusion that Co2 is the ultimate antichrist and therefore ordinary folk will have to suffer even more pain and misery at the hands of HMG just to try and eke out a living. This behaviour is inexcusable. Why should we pay the BBC to be lied to?

As Maurice Strong said and Ottman Edenhofer confirmed this obsession with Co2 and climate change has nothing whatsoever to do with the protection of our environment and wind turbines can never ever be a solution to Co2 induced warming even if Co2 did cause catastrophic warming.

Wind turbines can kill millions of birds and bats but believing they are a reliable source of electricity generation is just as bonkers as believing that Co2 has the potential to cause an apocalypse.

As Angela Merkel has proven beyond reasonable doubt after four decades and nearly one trillion euros Germany still generates 81% of its energy from coal and only 2.8% from wind and solar and that is why Merkel has gained an exemption from the EU to mine and burn lignite until 2070 and is moving whole towns and villages to get more of it, whilst continuing to import more coal from Russia, South Africa, Australia, Columbia and America.

Wind turbines generate about 1.3% of our global electricity demand and solar is estimated at about 0.3% and this is after spending globally $2,687 billion on wind turbines since 2004 by the time we spent another $2,687 billion to reach 2.6% the original 250,000 wind turbines will be beyond economic repair because they only last 20 years.

Google engineers after two years of research have confirmed that during its short life of about 20 years a wind turbine can neither mitigate enough Co2 of generate sufficient energy to compensate for the volume of Co2 emitted and energy consumed during its manufacture and deployment so in simple physical terminology they represent a net loss to the planet. The only reason for their existence is to impose upon ordinary folk the all consuming ideology that Co2 is entirely detrimental to all life on the planet.

This stance is a complete fantasy without Co2 life on planet earth dies the same day we cannot exist without it. Plant osmosis begins shutting down at just 180ppm and had we not began consuming fossil fuels there is good reason to believe there would not be sufficient atmospheric Co2 to allow crops to grow and life on earth to continue. To imply differently is pure environmentalist gibberish but what else would you expect from the scientifically illiterate BBC made clear by the pompous bellicose meanderings of David Attenborough’s YouTube pontification, all form and no substance.

Being green is a huge speculative rip off funded by subsidies paid overwhelmingly by ordinary working people who gain no benefit whatsoever from handing over huge sums of cash to private equity funds, Siemens, Vestas and green speculators whose profit is guaranteed from here to eternity by governmental diktat.

Why does the BBC believe it has the right to take money from its licence fee payers to fund bellicose scientifically illiterate propaganda to the benefit of private equity funds, land owners, foreign wind farm operators, Bob Ward, Grantham Institute, Guardian, George Monbiot, Naomi Klein, David Suzuki and Al Gore when the net effect is entirely detrimental to the people who pay the BBC’s wages?

What does the BBC believe that the supposed rights of hard line environmentalists and those who make extreme profit from environmentalism and pseudo scientists specifically “modellers” whose very existence is entirely dependent on being able to get another tax payer funded grant which does mean they have to create another speculative scare story to comply with the current environmentalist bleeding heart UN need to impose Agenda 21 with its complicit reliance upon IAM’s to impose their climate based mechanisms one world rule for all mentality.

The elite are never at risk from their own deliberate manipulation and deception but the ordinary family in the eyes of Ehrlich, Malthus, Gore and the BBC’s own humanity hating Attenborough remain the focus of their attention, the root cause of everything that is wrong with the planet, they have to be subdued at any cost and if the demonization of Co2 can help them accomplish that task then so be it.

The 2050 obligation under Ed Milibands climate change act means ripping out every gas fired central heating system across the country to be replaced by inefficient unreliable and expensive electric heating totally reliant on the unreliable and intermittent generative abilities of wind turbines and solar panels. Before that time smart meters will be installed in every house whether we like it or not to allow our electricity supply to be cut off if the wind turbines fail to generate sufficient electricity to meet demand. All of this nonsense was put in place when alarmism convinced muddle headed illiterate superstitious politicians and greenies that the planet would go so warm that winters and snow would be something of the past so that turbines and solar panels could supply our moderate need for heating. Under the Maurice Strong green model industry would not exist so there would be no need for a reliable and consistent form of electricity but unfortunately for us and for their Alice in Wonderland fantasy the planet and our climate has not connived at their conspiracy.

The BBC swallowed this myth and the idea that to maintain its audience ratings it needed to distribute misleading propaganda that supported the green myth whilst at the same time avoid complaints from greenies who complained bitterly and violently every time sometime tried to make them aware that their beliefs were contradicted by fact. We know that you can never argue with a belief but the BBC have an obligation to educate, inform and entertain not a self serving right to lie cheat and deceive.

Maurice Strong and Stephen Schneider cultivated the fantasy and the UN, UNFCC, UNEP and the EU recognised the opportunity to exploit environmentalism to their one world one rule equality for us whilst behaving themselves like a worst case example of the Chinese Communist Party and Stalin. Like Obama and American preaching to the planet about human rights people have been locked up in Guantanamo Bay for 20 and 30 years without a trial relying only on a belief that they are dangerous. Whilst even though drugs for capital punishment have mostly become unavailable leading to States searching the internet for black market drugs to enforce the death penalty when there is explicit evidence that a large percentage of people on death row did not commit the crime they were convicted of.

Summary justice based upon belief enforced by the don’t do as I do, do what I say mentality gleefully promoted by the BBC – David Attenborough is a classic example – which as a prominent leftie organisation is only too happy to comply with whilst making grandiose claims of wanting to be independent, as if?

For the BBC there never was an ambition to be judged as the gold standard for journalism, it long ago rejected all traces of intellectual curiosity and a healthy scepticism and replaced it with a deranged appetite for bias prejudice and blatant hypocrisy which has resulted in treating every issue from a different starting point with programming related to our climate being treated as a substance light frigid ideology immersed in glib generality where reality never sees the light of day and that is not science. It is ghoulish infantile propaganda and license fee payers should not be asked to support this level of insane immorality, it is unacceptable and it is beyond time for the BBC to accept this fact and move on.

There may be typographical errors and my grammatical abilities might not reach the BBC’s extremely high standards in this respect but they are not good reasons to dismiss my appeal and by comparison with the BBC I use numbers, give specific references and put subjects into context. If you can state specifically where the data I have provided is inconsistent with data that you might rely upon as a means of dismissing my appeal then you need to identify exactly what the issue is, the source of your data and why you believe your data is more relevant than the data I have provided if you cannot do this then you are toast.

Yours sincerely

David Wells

Supporting documentation relevant to Appeal 001/DRW is provided in following emailed attachments.

Meanwhile in retrospect:

Rod Liddle has said that the BBC deliberately sets up interviews with people it knows will say exactly what the BBC wants us to hear so that subsequently it can disassociate itself with what has transpired whilst in secret rejoicing at the outcome of its contrivance believing that we are too thick to recognise and understand its deceit.

“We were masters of the techniques of promoting our point of view under the cloak of impartiality. The simplest was to hold a discussion between a fluent and persuasive proponent of the view you favoured, and a humourless bigot representing the other side. With a big story, like shale gas for example, you would choose the aspect where your case was strongest: the dangers of subsidence and water pollution, say, rather than the transformation of Britain’s energy supplies and the abandonment of wind farms and nuclear power stations. And you could have a ‘balanced’ summary with the view you favoured coming last: not “the opposition claim that this will just make the rich richer, but the government point out that it will create 10,000 new jobs” but “the government claim it will create 10,000 new jobs, but the opposition point out that it will just make the rich richer.” It is the last thought that stays in the mind. It is curiously satisfying to find all of these techniques still being regularly used forty-seven years after I left the BBC.” (Sir Anthony Jay)

“I absorbed and expressed all the accepted BBC attitudes: hostility to, or at least suspicion of, America, monarchy, government, capitalism, empire, banking and the defence establishment, and in favour of the NHS, state welfare, the social services, the environment and state education. But perhaps our most powerful antagonism was directed at advertising. This is not surprising; commercial television was the biggest threat the BBC had ever had to face. The idea that television should be financed by businessmen promoting their products for profit created in us an almost spiritual revulsion. And when our colleagues, who we had thought were good BBC men, left to join commercial broadcasters, they became pariahs. We could hardly bring ourselves to speak to them again. They had not just gone to join a rival company; they had sinned against the true faith, they were traitors, deserters, heretics.

This deep hostility to people and organisations who made and sold things was not of course exclusive to the BBC. It permeated a lot of upper middle class English society (and has not vanished yet). But it was wider and deeper in the BBC than anywhere else, and it is still very much a part of the BBC ethos. Very few of the BBC producers and executives have any real experience of the business world, and as so often happens, this ignorance, far from giving rise to doubt, increases their certainty.” (Sir Anthony Jay)

CAS-3843673-020C5J. Full Complaint: CAS-3837243-N96JZ9, CAS-3823472-HT8CS0, CAS-3834353-KBPPY8, CAS-3804754-4BMKZY, CAS-3707407-MRSKS8, CAS-3691043-KX56F2, CAS-3690744-8XQ0C7, CAS-3689289-XM732K, CAS-3687285-F089K2, CAS-3713299-CL8QKP, CAS-3691043-KX56F2, CAS-3690744-8XQ0C7, CAS-3695656-171GHJ, CAS-3710768-ZYQG6K, CAS-3613914-Q54SVR, CAS-3695656-171GHJ, CAS-3689289-XM732K, CAS-3687529-2X2FSK, CAS-3687285-F089K2, CAS-3686266-9S0NN0, CAS-3686007-3L35KX, enough or do you want more? BBC weasel words: – can, clearly, could, conjectured, considered, expected, may, might, perhaps, possibly, projected, robust, unprecedented. – “Experts suggest…” “It has been said that …” “Research has shown…” “Science indicates …” “It can be argued…” “Scientists believe….” “A high level of certainty” “Models predict….” Catastrophic, apocalyptic, dangerous warming, rising sea levels, typhoons, cyclones, flood, drought, extreme weather and tornadoes. What the BBC and its paid contributors never say is what exactly constitutes extreme weather, where did it happen and when and why is it extreme now when before Co2 mania it was just weather. If sea levels are rising, then the BBC should say by how much over what time period and the same with temperature otherwise the BBC is just guilty of scaremongering. Leonardo dicaprio accused of hypocrisy because of a private jet round trip of 8,000 miles to collect am environmental award. Al Gore, Attenborough, Klein, Figueres, Neil Oliver, David Suzuki, 40,000 COP delegates then all fall into the same category. Yes or No?

CAS-3707407-MRSKS8: 3634267 3612773 3695656 Did the BBC pay 2 geneticists to legitimise the BBC’s want to deceive its audience, yes. Do atolls float yes. Is there evidence to support the assertion that atolls have suffered in any way from a temp rise of 1.4f in 165 years NO, hence the GCF was amended to pay for adaptation not compensate for damage. Has the BBC adopted a drip feed mentality devoid of rigour & detail to impose belief that Co2 causes climate change without causing warming first YES. Spare me the false sympathy why would I be disappointed when your response is so easy to predict? Only recidivist crybabies run to Mummy Trusts ample bosom begging for absolution for sins of omission, gutless pathetic. How is it possible the we should be required by criminal sanction to pay for 17000 misbegotten halfwits incapable of recognising the fundamental difference between fact and faction between religion and science and be comfortable with being lied to on a daily basis to promote the mawkish fiction of human inspired global warming which needs to ignore 4.54 billion years of history in order to promote its cause. Just explain to me in detail why I should have to pay the BBC to lied to by the BBC. Simon Reeve in Greece OMG the Greeks are burning lignite infecting the atmosphere why instead of buying German tanks didn’t they invest in solar panels instead complete forgetting that solar panels only work for a few hours a day. Why does the BBC use our money to pay technically illiterate imbeciles to promote its green paranoid obsession? If you want to spend my money responsibly then just admit your infantile stupidity what could be cheaper than that?

CAS-3691043-KX56F2: Ashton Jones Nurse V 64 million licence fee payers
Full Complaint: 3676207 Steve Jones “BBC wedded to false balance” John Ashton “BBC should explain how its decision to give a platform to (Bob) Carter serves the public interest. Otherwise it will be undermining its “friends” – ? – when it needs them most and throwing scavengers a piece of its own flesh”. Steve Jones “This goes to the heart of science reporting – you wouldn’t have a homeopath speaking alongside a brain surgeon for balance as that would be absurd. It’s just as absurd to have a climate sceptic for balance against the work of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists”. Pots kettles and black. Neither would you expect a geneticist to pontificate about climate science. Bob Carter produced evidence which contradicted what the BBC IPCC Met Office wanted us to believe. The IPCC was not formed to conduct impartial research into our climate its specific remit – Maurice Strong – was to find a way of making humanity responsible for warming to promote Strong’s anti-capitalist agenda fully supported by Jones Ashton Klein Schneider UN UNEP UNFCC EU. Bob Carter was not a “scavenger” denier or sceptic his only crime was to raise his head above the parapet and provide evidence that contradicted what Jones and Ashton need us to believe in order to protect and defend the reputation and grant income of their peer group to advance their anti-capitalist agenda to our detriment. With friends like Jones & Ashton the BBC does not need enemies. Jones & Ashton need to vilify and abuse their challengers because they know they cannot contradict the evidence. It is not due undue or false balance to present satellite data & the only friends the BBC has are the millions of people who pay its wages. If Ward or Jones phone to complain just tell them to sod off, who are they anyway and who cares what they think believe or say. The only thing as Jones says that matters is evidence that is why the BBC should use satellite data, why does the BBC want to frighten its audience anyway?

Complaint Summary: BBC not innocents at large

CAS-3690744-8XQ0C7: 3670225 “We’ve reported on the various views surrounding climate change over a long period. However, it is not always possible or practical to reflect all the different opinions on a subject within individual programmes. Editors are charged to ensure that over a reasonable period they reflect the range of significant views, opinions and trends in their subject area.” So you want me to believe that the BBC having paid Jones & Nurse to rewrite its editorial standards in an attempt to legitimise its deceit related to AGW imposing due impartiality to ensure that only the “views” of those with a vested interest in the promotion of AGW were given air time now wants me to believe that it quoted a Met Office/NASA press release without attribution and that this was just an accidental act of innocents at large naive gullible unable to comprehend the significance of its malfeasance, really? It is the BBC that always every time in response to a complaint that chooses to conflate scientific fact to views & opinions in the hope and expectation that this assertion will nullify & neutralise the context of the complaint allowing the BBC to avoid censure for false representation and deceit. The BBC knows that every prediction made by the Met Office – including no more snow – has failed to manifest itself. AGW morphed into climate change simple because the Met Office & NASA recognised it could not contradict the validity and accuracy of satellite data. If the BBC were innocents at large there would have been no reason to pay Jones & Nurse to legitimise their desired deceit and use heavy weight lawyers in an attempt to silence an OAP who intended to release the names of those attending a conference organised by Harrabin. Just quote satellite data in future and then no more complaints, what is so difficult??

Complaint Summary: 2015 3rd warmest satellite era behind 1998 & 2010

CAS-3689289-XM732K: Let me get this right your belief is that the BBC needs to debauch and misrepresent science fact in order to appease the whim of a specific minority who believe that the only way to impose and enforce their belief upon the majority is to deny us evidence that fundamentally contradicts their belief? That the BBC yielded to pressure from this minority to the extent that it was felt reasonable to pay 2 geneticists to rewrite its editorial standards to ensure that the BBC’s allegiance to this minority was set in stone to the extent that the BBC is now 100% committed to the imposition of belief instead of accurately reporting simple scientific fact? That the BBC believes that its allegiance to this minority overrides and exceeds its clear obligation to educate inform and entertain its licence fee payers. That the BBC believes it is right and proper and to our benefit that the BBC is allowed to deliberately manipulate the way in which it exploits its broadcasting spectrum to make false representations that diminish our understanding to our detriment and to the absolute benefit of reputation privilege and profit of that specific minority who believe that it is their absolute right to distort and manipulate the behaviour of the BBC to achieve their specific political ambition? That the BBC is 100% ideologically committed to the notion that its allegiance to broadcasting data which directly benefits specific vested interests is legally morally and ethically justifiable in the promotion of their cause even though it is against the public interest and fundamentally contravenes our human rights? If the BBC wants to behave like the political wing of the IRA so be it. But if so it needs to end its reliance on the licence fee and face the world as it is and maybe then it will recognise exactly what its obligations and allegiances should be. Bob Ward & RS do not pay your wages we do.

Complaint Summary: 2015 3rd warmest satellite era behind 1998 & 2010

CAS-3687529-2X2FSK: BBC is deliberately manipulative when it states climate change without attribution in the hope and expectation that apathy will extend belief that climate change is caused by Co2 even though there is no evidence to support this supposition. Name dropping NASA & Met Office and paying PhD’s to mouth platitudes is again contrived to deceive impose belief and discourage ordinary folk from challenging their narrative and risk being slapped down by supposed authority. The BBC only resorts to self-indulgent subliminal contextualisation of the climate alarmist narrative because it is desperate to avoid getting assassinated by explicit numbers which it knows its rhetoric cannot refute. Our climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years fact but to enforce belief that Co2 is the primary cause of it alarmists need us to believe that change before 1970 was natural but everything after that date was AGW as if? Fact NASA GISS NOAA Met Office Tyndall BAS & rent seeking PhD’s rely 100% for their survival on grants and therefore have vested interest in ensuring that their output fully supports government diktat but the BBC whilst wanting to be the same is different. We have to pay the BBC for having a TV in our house and risk criminal sanction if we do not therefore its allegiance – if any – should be 100% in favour of its licence fee payers but instead it pays 2 geneticists to rewrite its editorial standards to legitimise deceit which is 100% detrimental to its audience and rejoices in defending that irony, in effect taking the p….

Complaint Summary: Minus 57 degrees 6.4 million cubic miles of ice, Antarctica.

CAS-3686266-9S0NN0: Guardian article. Mendacious Ashton’s only concern is that his duplicity might be revealed by the BBC discussing the climate fraud with Lawson & Lilley. Educate inform and entertain. False bias is a construct promoted by Jones & Nurse to ensure that free speech insofar as climate matters are concerned never sees the light of day on the BBC and the media in general. Alarmists hate the Mail because unlike the Guardian & the BBC they cannot exert any control over what it prints. The Mail allows free speech alarmists hate the very idea because they know – as does the BBC – how manipulative they need to be to advance their anti-capitalist agenda. The irony is that the BBC is so overwhelmed with noble cause corruption that it never contemplates the fact that we pay the BBC to tell us lies which directly benefit a narrow minded psychotic clique who given free reign would use Agenda 21 to deny those who fund the BBC their human rights. Bob Carter did no more than cite data that fundamentally contradicted the belief driven hype promoted by alarmism which is unacceptable to alarmist attack dogs like Ward who is paid to demonise anyone who dares to critique the orthodoxy. When someone tries to steal your money they first frighten you to suspend disbelief and then give you a simplistic solution. Alarmism uses the same technique citing every normality as an abnormality to invoke fear and then offer a supposedly simplistic solution to avoid disaster stop emitting Co2. A grotesque act of exploitation in which the BBC has been happy to participate to the detriment of the people who pay its wages, obscene. We pay the BBC not the Royal Society Guardian Grantham EU UN and we have an absolute right to get the data and if Ward & Ashton don’t like the truth, tough. Jones & Nurse are just establishment shills all sceptics do is reveal data that contradicts the hype that is not a crime. I don’t recall the BBC asking my permission to use my licence fee to fund my indoctrination?

Complaint Summary: Stupid scaremongering illiterate drivel

CAS-3695656-171GHJ: Heap of c..p! Is it climate change, will it get worse, are we all going to die?? Co2 is 0.04% of our atmosphere or 0.4% of 1% which is trace gases 99% is water vapour 78% nitrogen & 21% oxygen Co2 is 85% saturated not well mixed and water vapour has remained static with a slight downward trend which fundamentally contradicts what Heap was trying to make us believe. Co2 has no effect on the jet stream or the current El Nino & temp has risen by just 1.4F in 165 years & remained flat between 2001 & 2010 when 25% of all Co2 ever emitted was emitted. Ignorant pontificating about recent weather trends is misleading & a scientifically illiterate exercise. Especially true when related to the instrumental record that covers just 25% of the globe for at best 120 years. Earth is about 4.54 billion years so the sample size is 0.000002643172%. Our atmosphere weighs 11,710,000,000,000,000,000 pounds Co2 0.04% of that positive feedback or not this number is insignificant. Heap is intent on distributing highly politicised propaganda to narrow focus and incite fear and panic by emoting normality as abnormality without giving detail that would correct his deliberately misleading generalisations, fraudulent false representation. IPCC AR5 WGI Chapter 2 “In summary, there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale”. If you decide through free choice to live in a house situated on a flood plain, then you should at any time expect to be flooded. People have free choice where they decide to live and their free choice is not everyone else’s problem. Heap on every occasion made possible by the BBC remains intent on behaving like an ignoramus who is willing to spout scaremongering propaganda on the proviso that he gets a fat fee from licence fee payers, unacceptable contrivance.

Complaint Summary: 2015 3rd warmest satellite era behind 1998 & 2010

CAS-3689289-XM732K: Let me get this right your belief is that the BBC needs to debauch and misrepresent science fact in order to appease the whim of a specific minority who believe that the only way to impose and enforce their belief upon the majority is to deny us evidence that fundamentally contradicts their belief? That the BBC yielded to pressure from this minority to the extent that it was felt reasonable to pay 2 geneticists to rewrite its editorial standards to ensure that the BBC’s allegiance to this minority was set in stone to the extent that the BBC is now 100% committed to the imposition of belief instead of accurately reporting simple scientific fact? That the BBC believes that its allegiance to this minority overrides and exceeds its clear obligation to educate inform and entertain its licence fee payers. That the BBC believes it is right and proper and to our benefit that the BBC is allowed to deliberately manipulate the way in which it exploits its broadcasting spectrum to make false representations that diminish our understanding to our detriment and to the absolute benefit of reputation privilege and profit of that specific minority who believe that it is their absolute right to distort and manipulate the behaviour of the BBC to achieve their specific political ambition? That the BBC is 100% ideologically committed to the notion that its allegiance to broadcasting data which directly benefits specific vested interests is legally morally and ethically justifiable in the promotion of their cause even though it is against the public interest and fundamentally contravenes our human rights? If the BBC wants to behave like the political wing of the IRA so be it. But if so it needs to end its reliance on the licence fee and face the world as it is and maybe then it will recognise exactly what its obligations and allegiances should be. Bob Ward & RS do not pay your wages we do.

Complaint Summary: Manipulative mendacious duplicity

CAS-3687285-F089K2: You cannot conflate scientific fact to opinion & belief. As explained NASA/GISS/NOAA/Met Office use land station based data which covers just one third of the planet excluding oceans forests and deserts with sparse coverage of both poles & therefore subject to UHI and land change whereas satellite data relates to a 360-degree coverage of the planet from ground zero to 41kms and specifically lower troposphere which Gavin Schmidt says should warm first if the Co2 hypothesis is true, it has not. The BBC refuses to use RSS/UAH data because it does not support its alarmist cause, who pays your wages? Satellite data has not been subjected to manipulation to create a warming trend where no trend existed in the raw data and the BBC comment said 2015 was the warmest year which is not true. Minoan Roman & Medieval warm periods were hotter than today & 8000 years ago it was 2C warmer than today with Co2 at 200ppm. 2015 was the 3rd warmest year after 1998 & 2010, fact RSS/UAH confirms. The data you cite relates to hundredths of a degree the result of millions of calculations outweighed by a margin of error 20 times the supposed increase which the satellite record contradicts. We are not talking here about views or opinions we are talking about scientific fact which the BBC cannot refute. With climate the BBC adopts a fundamentally difference approach to gene cutting where specifics are discussed but with climate the approach is deliberately manipulative because the BBC knows its mendacious rhetoric can be easily contradicted by fact. Climate change only exists because RSS/UAH data contradicts AGW. What exactly is the point of lying to your audience if not to emote fear and trepidation within it for the benefit of a narrow clique of psychotic crazed green zealots? You cannot excuse mendacity by bearing false witness to editorial standards specifically rewritten to legitimise deceit, a lie is a lie not excusable by deceit.

Present the following to Roger Harrabin and ask him to analyse the content.

With the El Niño-related uptick in the February 2016 GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index, Figure 1, alarmism has reached beyond the Spinal Tap 11 volume setting, up to 20. (For those in need of a chuckle, the YouTube video of related portion of This is Spinal Tap is here. Thanks to Rob Reiner and Christopher Guest for that very funny scene.)

Rod Evans
Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 14, 2020 9:53 am

Jeez David that was impressive. When did you send that to old Rona, and did she reply to any of it?

David Roger Wells
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 14, 2020 12:47 pm

Hi Rod when they finally ran out of infantile excuses eg “it would take at least 2 one hour documentaries to describe the climate” “we cannot within 3 minutes of the allotted time give a full appreciation of the climate” “everyone is entitled to their opinion” I got this:

Dear Mr Wells,

I am responsible within BBC Audience Services for the complaints service provided by our contact centre. I have been reviewing the history of your complaints to the BBC.

I apologise for the formality of this email but I have decided that the BBC Trust’s Expedited Complaints Procedure should apply to your complaints from today. In order for this to happen I need to provide you with certain information according to the protocol laid down by the BBC Trust.

The BBC Executive and the Trust may use this Procedure only where a complainant has a history of persistently or repeatedly making complaints which fall into one of the following categories:

(a) are trivial, misconceived, hypothetical, repetitious or otherwise vexatious;
(b) fail to raise an issue of breach of any relevant Guidelines or Policies (eg in the case of an editorial complaint, the Editorial Guidelines; in the case of a fair trading complaint, the Fair Trading Policies and Framework);
(c) use gratuitously abusive or offensive language;
(d) are shown on investigation to have no reasonable prospect of success; or
(e) after rejection of the complaint at an earlier stage (eg Stage 1), are persistently and repeatedly appealed unsuccessfully to the next stage (eg Stage 2).

I believe that your complaints fall into category (a) in that they are repetitious and misconceived, and also categories (b) and (d). In order to apply the Expedited Complaints Procedure, I am required to follow the notification requirements laid down by the BBC Trust:

1. I am providing you with a link to the copy of the General Complaints and Appeals Procedure, which contains detail of the Expedited Complaints Procedure (in Annex2 ):

2. I have decided to apply this Procedure because of the volume of your complaints and the consequent demands they make on the time of complaints advisers when most of them have not suggested breaches of BBC guidelines:

(i) In January 2016 our records show you made 13 complaints, 12 in February and a further 6 since then. Over 140 have been made in your name since 2011.

(ii) Many of the complaints are comments or views and mostly about climate change, also with some other issues, but to which we have previously provided replies and some of which were subsequently escalated;

(iii) Most have not suggested a breach of the BBC’s published standards, or a significant issue of general importance which might justify further investigation, and have not been successful on escalation.

3. I intend to apply the Procedure from today to 15 June 2018.

4. You may appeal against this decision. If you wish to do so you should contact the BBC Trust within 20 working days of receiving this reply. Details are in the Expedited Procedure to which I have provided a link above.

I should explain that if a future complaint from you falls into any of the categories (a) (b) (c) (d) or (e) the complaint will not be acknowledged and so may be rejected without notifying you or providing any reasons. If on the other hand it does not fall into these categories and suggests a possible breach of any relevant Guidelines or Policies, the complaint will be investigated in accordance with the Complaints Procedure that applies.

I’m aware that you may still have complaints to which the BBC may not yet have replied. The BBC will of course answer those and other complaints submitted before the date this Expedited Complaints Procedure was applied.

Yours sincerely,

Keith Jones,
Head of Communications and Complaints,
BBC Audience Services.

Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 14, 2020 10:06 am

That’s not a comment, it’s an epistle.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 14, 2020 10:17 am

Please don’t be so terse. You are almost as bad as ‘Drive-by’ Mosher.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 14, 2020 12:34 pm


David Roger Wells
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 14, 2020 1:09 pm

The above is an example of me being polite to the BBC. I have made a total of 340 separate complaints numerous appeals but no answers. When I submitted a 4mb FOI request they replied saying in effect the media legislations allows them to lie and cheat. The BBC is an aberrant nonsense without morality ethics standards knowledge discipline or scientific understanding.

Sent to Phoebe by email today, this is just one paragraph to set the scene:
Inscribed on the wall of BBC broadcasting house “If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”. The BBC choose to misinterpret this phrase to give the BBC the right to castigate Co2, deplore and scandalise human use of fossil fuels and paint ordinary folk into the dock for causing damage to the climate. What George Orwell meant was that people had the right to tell organisations like the BBC and anyone else that they were talking through the back of their heads when the proceeded to indulge in illiterate propaganda to advance a political objective. The BBC was created because government at the time felt threatened by the idea that journalism if allowed free reign would frustrate governments want and desire to promote its own propaganda needed to distort, brainwash, intimidate and harass ordinary folk into believing that what government said was true. Now the BBC cannot get out of the habit of lying through its teeth. Free speech which is what the BBC advocates but behind the scenes it employed Prof Steve Jones to rewrite its editorial terms to widen the paradigm of false balance and due impartiality to give the BBC even wider discretion as to what false balance and due impartiality really meant insofar as the BBC was concerned. Now the BBC can be as partial, biased and prejudiced as it wants yet remain within the guidelines set out by Prof Jones who said after his deployment that the BBC needed to be even more prejudiced and biased insofar as climate was concerned to ensure the audience was completely overwhelmed and infatuated with the belief that humans were catastrophically influencing the climate posing a threat to the planet.”

When Prof Jones was interviewed by John Humphrys after the debacle over Lord Lawson saying to Justin Webb that the climate had cooled a little – at the time of speaking it had – and has not reacted to continued increases in Co2 emissions. Justin Webb was referred to Ofcom who criticised and abused Justin Webb for not ridiculing Lord Lawson sufficiently to make him recant and say that it really was warming catastrophically in line with BBC’s veteran climate analysist Roger Harrabins frequent catastrophic incantations. Humphrys asked Prof Jones for his comments about Lord Lawson and Justin Webb and Prof Jones said “I call them deniers” to which Humphrys said “thats a bit religious isnt it “. Since then Prof Jones has never been on the Today program again.

Lord Krebs is another clown the BBC leveraged for ages. On BBC Countryfile Krebs said “we have to grow plants to suck all of the Co2 out of the atmosphere because Co2 is destroying the planet” then Krebs said “we have to kill all of the cows because methane is destroying the planet” then “we have to grow plants to eat instead of meat”. I emailed Countryfile “If we suck all of the Co2 out of the atmosphere – an impossible feat – how do we grow plants to eat instead of meat”. Dr Jim Al Khalili BBC Quantum Physics “Oxygenic photosynthesis generates 16,000 tons of new vegetation every second of every single day”. But what Al Khalili because of his contractual arrangement with the BBC declined to mention that unless we have elevated levels of atmospheric Co2 the oxygenic photosynthesis is not sufficiently prolific to allow photosynthesis to function.

What ordinary folk dont understand about the BBC is the extremely tight reign they exert over any who is a guest, they are told exactly what they can and cannot say. Guests on programs are read the riot act and if they dare to contravene the BBC’s editorial standards they never come back. If guests make a gaff which is still within guidelines but makes the BBC look more stupid than it is they never come back either.

I follow up every BBC guest and point out the defects insofar as science fact allows and most of the time they do not return. Those from Grantham field their secretaries and refuse point blank to enter into any discussion which tells multitudes about their knowledge and understanding of climate, they like Greta are good at spouting rhetoric but when their rhetoric is challenged they run away.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 14, 2020 2:51 pm

Lol…I spit soda onto my keyboard.

Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 14, 2020 12:38 pm


I really do hope that you have actually sent this to the B.B.C. If you haven’t, please do. It’s what I’ve been
wanting to say in a long while, but haven’t been able to put into words.

David Roger Wells
Reply to  mabbeck
July 14, 2020 1:16 pm

The BBC are so fed up with my complaints that they have banned me from making complaints so I send individual programs emails. My assumption is that they are put straight in a spam folder and are never read but what else can you do?

Jack Black
Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 15, 2020 8:30 am

“…but what else can you do?”

Why, repost all those queries and responses in here for us to copy and paste, and reiterate. They can’t ban us all, at least in the short term, and not without some difficulty. Multiple complainants are much more difficult to ignore and dismiss, especially if there are Duly Elected Legislators amongst those complainants. 😏

Richard Saumarez
Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 14, 2020 4:20 pm

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Jack Black
Reply to  David Roger Wells
July 15, 2020 8:02 am

Eee bah gum, David !
What a Tour de Force !
Your response was deserving of an article in its own right !
“How the BBC connives with “Greenwash” advocates to lie and distort true science” ….. or some such title.
Your persistent diligence is an example to us all, yet such questioning, and responses will never be read by BBC propagandists, way down in here in these columns. May I respectfully suggest that your entire discourse be republished as an article in its own right. Please see the headings at the top of WUWT main page, and the link to Submit an Article for publication. Your logic defies any refutation it seems to me.
…. Jack

Jon R
July 14, 2020 9:20 am

Willie is a hard worker, willing to get down in the sewer with a roto rooter and clear the pipes. Hope he gets a nice hot shower after.

Richard M
July 14, 2020 9:20 am

Great response. I sure hope a separate letter was sent to the BBC management by a lawyer explaining that more libel against Dr. Soon will not be tolerated especially now that they have been informed of the facts.

Reply to  Richard M
July 14, 2020 10:16 am

That is a great idea, probably the only approach with a chance of making a dent in the sleek bodywork.

July 14, 2020 9:47 am

My favorite quote: “Are you suggesting that all scientific research into climate change since 1995 is redundant?”

Ba bam!

Clyde Spencer
July 14, 2020 10:20 am

“… there are two sides to the climate question based on the data currently available.”

Indeed, there is an old saying that there are two sides to every story. Those, like the BBC, that only provide one side, are providing their listeners with a half-truth.

Robert of Texas
July 14, 2020 10:26 am

A waste of time and electronic ink…An assassin isn’t interested in the truth, merely in finding more material to quote “out of context”. While Dr. Willie Soon is basically compelled to reply (any honest scientist would) it’s not going to change one brain cell of the people involved in the character assassination plot.

Luckily, just about any decently educated person no longer believes a thing the BBC says anyway.

Eric Eikenberry
July 14, 2020 10:34 am

“Your questions are libelous in nature and, if aired on any BBC media format, will force me into legal action to protect my work and reputation. Please see my cited papers below for information regarding the issues surrounding the fraudulent claim that climate science is “settled”. Thank you for your time.”

There is the response Mr. Soon should have provided to this “journalist”.

Justin Lueken
July 14, 2020 10:57 am

Dr. Soon, I fear your thoughtful and educated responses are but “Pearls Before Swine…”

Y’all understand that Phoebe’s greatest claim to “Journalism” are articles on The Female Orgasm, Painful Sex, and the Highest Village in Scotland…

Forgive if posted earlier.


Reply to  Justin Lueken
July 14, 2020 11:18 am

Only the best and brightest to deal with the most critical challenge facing our time right?

David S
July 14, 2020 11:02 am

Three cheers for Dr. Soon. If they misrepresent anything you said I hope you will sue the pants off them.

July 14, 2020 11:27 am

An excellent response by Dr Soon. It may stop the activist BBC from maligning him but it won’t stop them propagandizing against the oil industry. The real story here – the one the y should be doing- was laid out by the Dallas Morrning News and others.

“The narrative of an organic movement of environmental defenders taking on Big Oil has been depicted by some as a David-versus-Goliath showdown. But as more and more facts emerge, it is becoming increasingly clear that Exxon has been unfairly maligned by a group of activists and lawyers driven by politics but bereft of facts.” (Aug. 3, 2018)

July 14, 2020 11:40 am

WOW, I just saw Joe Biden’s Climate change policy talk on TV, (all lies) a 2 trillion dollar program – Idiot !

It would do well for his people to read Willie Soon’s letter to the BBC for a start. Trump should read it !
Hope trump has some climate facts in his mind for the “debates”.


Reply to  Jon P Peterson
July 14, 2020 4:20 pm

Just saw the president’s reply to the Biden talk today.
Someone should tell President Trump not to use the word “Carbon”, that’s a democrat term for CO2.
As far as I know, carbon is not a greenhouse gas. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas.
From now on President Trump should never refer to the democrat term carbon as a greenhouse gas.
Someone should emphasize that to him, that CO2 is a gas and also that it is NOT pollution.

He should ask Biden at the debate “about what percentage of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide” !!!
He should also ask Biden if CO2 is pollution – that would get him!
Just sayin. . .


John F. Hultquist
July 14, 2020 12:37 pm

Looks to me as though Phoebe Keane has quoted directly from the Wikipedia page of “Willie Soon”; {sic} . . .
. . . and if she thinks such pages are reasonable with respect to anything or anyone not fully into the CO2-Global Warming concept, she is a complete simpleton.

I suggest she start reading material from early 2008 from “denier” web sites. It is said that one can master a subject with 10,000 hours of trying.
18 years * 300 days/per *2 hours/per = 10,800 hours

Bless your little heart, Phoebe; get started.

Harry Passfield
July 14, 2020 12:40 pm

Personally, I loved it when Willie corrected Phoebe over her use of ‘Willie’ (steady now!). I just so wanted him to come back and call her by name: ‘Dick’. (with the ‘ ‘)

July 14, 2020 12:46 pm


I really do hope that you have actually sent this to the B.B.C. If you haven’t, please do. It’s what I’ve been
wanting to say in a long while, but haven’t been able to put into words.

Jean Parisot
July 14, 2020 1:44 pm

I might have included a summary of the remedies available for malicious libel under UK.

July 14, 2020 3:14 pm

Everyone at the BBC knows that private money taints scientific inquiry, but government money does not.

July 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Do NOT speak to the media. “No comment!” is a bad response as it implies you have something to hide. If you must say anything, a better (and safer) response is: “I don’t speak to the media.” It implies that you don’t trust them and calls their integrity into question.

The trick is to control the message

If pressed on specifics relative to you/your work, the safest response is: “I have addressed that issue on my blog/web page. You may quote that material.” Ensure your published comments come with a copyright statement that permits others to quote your material, as long as they include links to the source. If they can’t quote you out of context, it’s unlikely they’ll quote you at all. After all, they don’t want the public to know your side of the debate. The media depends on people trusting it. They need an opposing viewpoint to appear “fair and balanced”. But that opposition has to be under their control.

Climate believer