Northern Illinois University End of Snow Prediction

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The recent Mothers Day Freeze which smashed cold records across the Midwest, East and South has not deterred Northern Illinois University from making an end of snow prediction.

Climate change could dramatically reduce U.S. snowstorms

by  Northern Illinois University
MAY 26, 2020

A new study led by Northern Illinois University scientists suggests American winters late this century could experience significant decreases in the frequency, intensity and size of snowstorms.

Under an unabated greenhouse gas emissions scenario, the study projects 28% fewer snowstorms on average per year over central and eastern portions of North America by the century’s last decade, with one-third the amount of snow or frozen precipitation and a 38% loss in average snowstorm size.

“If we do little to mitigate climate change, the winter season will lose much of its punch in the future,” said Walker Ashley, an NIU professor of meteorology and lead author of the study, published today (May 25) in Nature Climate Change.

“The snow season will start later and end earlier,” Ashley said. “Generally, what we consider an abnormally mild winter now, in terms of the number and intensity of snowstorms, will be the harshest of winters late this century. There will be fewer snowstorms, less overall precipitation that falls as snow and almost a complete removal of snow events in the southern tier of the United States.

The study is believed to be the first to objectively identify and track individual snowstorm projections of the distant future—from minor snow accumulations, to average winter storms, to crippling blizzards.

Read more: https://phys.org/news/2020-05-climate-snowstorms.html

The abstract of the study;

Reduced frequency and size of late-twenty-first-century snowstorms over North America

Walker S. AshleyAlex M. Haberlie & Vittorio A. Gensini 

Nature Climate Change (2020) Cite this article

Understanding how snowstorms may change in the future is critical for estimating impacts on water resources and the Earth and socioeconomic systems that depend on them. Here we use snowstorms as a marker to assess the mesoscale fingerprint of climate change, providing a description of potential changes in winter weather event occurrence, character and variability in central and eastern North America under a high anthropogenic emissions pathway. Snowstorms are segmented and tracked using high-resolution, snow water equivalent output from dynamically downscaled simulations which, unlike global climate models, can resolve important mesoscale features such as banded snow. Significant decreases are found in the frequency and size of snowstorms in a pseudo-global warming simulation, including those events that produce the most extreme snowfall accumulations. Early and late boreal winter months show particularly robust proportional decreases in snowstorms and snow water equivalent accumulations.

Read more (paywalled): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0774-4

Climate alarmists just can’t seem to help themselves. Their most extreme models might hindcast absurdity, but climate alarmists choose to believe in their models anyway, so they follow where their models lead.

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Old.George
May 29, 2020 10:10 am

“Here we use snowstorms as a marker to assess the mesoscale fingerprint of climate change, providing a description of potential changes in winter weather event occurrence, character and variability in central and eastern North America under a high anthropogenic emissions pathway.”

Shorter: If we assume global warming there will be less snow.

Well, duh!

Editor
Reply to  Old.George
May 29, 2020 10:56 am

Old.George said, “Shorter: If we assume global warming there will be less snow.”

Except when there’s more snow, which can be blamed on global warming, too, because there’s more water vapor in the atmosphere due to global warming. Gotcha both ways.

Stay safe and healthy, all.
Bob

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 29, 2020 11:59 am

I was hoping that similar and more up-to-date graphs would appear in this article. This is on the extreme weather page of WUWT:

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– JPP

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 29, 2020 1:11 pm

Increase your value by making simple tasks complicated:

Northern Illinois University would not gain from extrapolate the trend you pointed out, they prefer prefer the more flexible hindcast from the virtual future reality.

This technique profits from being much more complex and “scientific”, and will appeal to the Green investment, whereas a simple extrapolation of actual historic data can be done by a 5th grader.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 29, 2020 2:56 pm

So Northern Illinois University shouldn’t look at past data from 1967 to help predict the future – just rely on their NIU models
There are a lot of other graphs which show pretty much the same data.
Maybe they should get some input from the 5th grader.
Just sayin…

– JPP

Latitude
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 29, 2020 5:26 pm

there’s a rule in climate science….all predictions must be at least 50 years out

“late this century “

Curious George
Reply to  Old.George
May 29, 2020 11:00 am

“The study projects 28% fewer snowstorms on average.” That could only be right if snowstorms were beneficial. Climate change is always for worse.

Paul R Johnson
Reply to  Curious George
May 29, 2020 11:43 am

But think of all the tow truck drivers whose livelihoods will be threatened, like polar bears.

Reply to  Paul R Johnson
May 29, 2020 12:10 pm

Think of the children . . .

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 29, 2020 12:44 pm

“Children just won’t know what a Flexible Flyer is.”

Luke
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 29, 2020 1:24 pm
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 30, 2020 8:43 am

Think of all the children the tow truck drivers will have . . .

Reply to  Old.George
May 29, 2020 11:43 am

Models again. And “… under a high anthropogenic emissions pathway” means RPC 8.5?

Reply to  Old.George
May 29, 2020 9:19 pm

Less snow and warmer winters mean fewer deaths

Winning!!!

StephenP
Reply to  Old.George
May 30, 2020 12:15 am

Presumably Dr David Viner is a consultant or maybe Director of Studies

May 29, 2020 10:13 am

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Editor
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 29, 2020 10:59 am

Thanks for the links, Krishna Gans.

Stay safe and healthy, all.
Bob

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 30, 2020 9:28 am

At midwinter the snow pack was 18% above average.

Old.George
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
May 30, 2020 9:58 am

Of course, Crispin, a paper will come out showing that 18% has to be due to Global Warming.

ResourceGuy
May 29, 2020 10:19 am

Okay, in response I’ll set up my save lists for snow gear, winter clothes, and snow removal equipment. Betting the other way with informed science and taxpayer funded global data systems against agenda science and promotion is the plan. I can also read charts of medium and long term ocean temp cycles and solar cycles in a world that has apparently lost this skill.

B d Clark
May 29, 2020 10:23 am

:“If we do little to mitigate climate change, the winter season will lose much of its punch in the future,” said Walker Ashley, an NIU professor of meteorology and lead author of the study, published today (May 25) in Nature Climate Change.” So what happens if we do a lot to mitigate climate change? That’s if you believe in a warming climate change , so another addmission that climate change is a warming change,hence as you believe no snow, but your forecasting ahead by some 60 years, has not the last 3 winters in the USA seen record cold and snow, oh I get it previous predictions that we would see no snow again and the poles would of melted were wrong ,so now your extending the time frame by some 60 years , no addmission to this failed prediction but you will chuck another one in for good measure.

Of course this is convenient as a looming GSM is rolling in , no predictions for snow accumulations in the near future,not some 60 years into a hazy future. Another source of data disappearing.remove the data remove the predictions ( near future) no one to carry the can.

DonK31
May 29, 2020 10:24 am

Maybe by that time, I can move back to Indiana from Florida and not freeze my a$$ off.

RDuncan
Reply to  DonK31
May 29, 2020 11:54 am

DonK31 . Hey all is good in Indiana, but it was a cold spring. Cutting grass three times a week in Indy.

Harry Davidson
May 29, 2020 10:24 am

There are still ‘scientists’ in the UK warning that ‘any day now’ we will see a dramatic uptick in BSE, with thousands of people dying form the disease. Of course the govt. needs to take action now to prepare for this for this imminent disaster.

Reply to  Harry Davidson
May 29, 2020 10:40 am

Eat bugs, EU tells it’s healty 😀

Ian W
Reply to  Harry Davidson
May 29, 2020 11:10 am

Yes that number of BSE deaths was forecast by none other than Ferguson from Imperial – using his really reliable modeling skills

Reply to  Harry Davidson
May 29, 2020 12:13 pm

Well, we have seen a dramatic uptick in BS, have we not?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 29, 2020 9:21 pm

I think we have reached peak BS.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 30, 2020 3:53 am

BS cannot reach a peak.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  Harry Davidson
May 29, 2020 12:42 pm

Yes there was an uptick on the BSE, (Bombay Stock Exchange), recently, but I think that’s really a good thing

Bryan A
May 29, 2020 10:32 am

O G … Now CC will make Less Severe weather as well

Ron Long
May 29, 2020 10:36 am

“pseudo-global warming simulations” projected to the 2090’s? Northern Illinois? This is delusional self-importance on a ludicrous scale. They can’t predict the weather next week and they can predict the climate change in the 2090’s? Beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life on this planet! Doubt me? What does the autopsia of George Floyd say? No done yet, you say? You can’t ell this by watching CNN (please don’t goof on me-it’s the only English channel I get). Stay sane and safe (even if there is insanity all around you!).

May 29, 2020 10:36 am

“in a pseudo-global warming simulation”

…… just about says it all. Is today “Honesty Friday”?

May 29, 2020 10:46 am

Better to wait to verify the unsubstantiated unverifiable models at the end of the current century before spending any money… otherwise this is no different than Club of Rome predictions.

Billy
May 29, 2020 10:46 am

Sell those snowplows now while you still can.

LearDog
May 29, 2020 10:47 am

Again, portraying RCP 8.5 as Most Likely scenario. Tip-off in description as “high anthropogenic emissions pathway”. Junk science. We ran a model.

Paul R Johnson
Reply to  LearDog
May 29, 2020 11:41 am

Yes,”Under an unabated greenhouse gas emissions scenario…” RCP 8.5 strikes again!!!

Reply to  Paul R Johnson
May 30, 2020 7:37 am

If you watch close, if they are studying something “bad” they use rcp8.5

If they are studying increased plant growth due to CO2 they use the minimum level

n.n
May 29, 2020 10:51 am

Sure, why not. The distribution of PhDs, stipends, and other secular incentives are enough to sustain the rational, and plausible, if not actual chaos (“evolution”). Statistical inference interprets facts as truths, with accuracy limited by characterization of a proper frame of reference, assumptions, assertions, axioms, etc.

HD Hoese
May 29, 2020 10:54 am

“In all cases, there were significant decreases in both seasonal snowstorm counts (k = 1.0, P < 0.001) and SWE totals (k = 0.92, P < 0.001) from the CTRL to PGW simulation.”

These climate science guys don’t read the same journals I do. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jembe.2015.09.010
“The necessity of reporting the results of regression diagnostics is stressed; contrary to widespread practice in marine ecology, R2 and p-values alone do not provide sufficient evidence to form conclusions.”

It don’t matter, warming causes more storms that causes more warming and so on ad infinitum~~~~~~~~
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/1920849117

n.n
May 29, 2020 10:55 am

Thirty-years or it’s weather. Also, fractional anomalies, inference, consensus, brown matter, really?

John VC
May 29, 2020 10:55 am

the winter season will lose much of its punch in the future,”

Is that supposed to be a bad thing???

Grew up in Philly–have lived in Texas (mostly) since 1964. Couldn’t stand those black piles of plowed snow where cars would normally park lasting sometimes (back then) well into March

Pumpsump
May 29, 2020 10:57 am

Make sure you save this paper so that our grandchildren (or great great grandchildren) can wave it in their faces in 2090

Komrade Kuma
May 29, 2020 10:57 am

Here in Oz we are rolling into winter and are having a bumper snow season which started back just after easter (not uncommon in my experience). This comes straight off the back of a record dry spell then the horrific bushfires of last spring and summer. Similarly the Murray-Darling river basin is full of water again for the first time in quite a while. No endless drought, no ‘our kids will never know what snow is’ etc. The common factor, besides cyclical weather patterns? Green loon predictions of climate disaster and no more rain etc. The facts are that Oz has had a trend over the last century or so of increasing rainfall except for SW Western Australia and Tasmania which are most affected by the Southern Ocean systems.

On a rtating planet, orbited by a moon and in turn orbiting a sun in company of a set of other planets, asteroids and other solar system detritus down to dust size particles at a whole range of periodicities and setting up all sorts of gravitational and other interactions is it any great wonder that the weather, which is a giant dynamic fluid system, exhibits cycles within cycles etc like the surface of the ocean with its spectrum of waves forming the sea state or is that too sciency for the eco loons?

May 29, 2020 11:00 am

Warmists/alarmists can models anything, no wonder their thinking and answers are modeled based replies.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
May 29, 2020 11:09 am

They live in a matrix believing to live in the real world 😀

n.n
Reply to  Sunsettommy
May 29, 2020 12:04 pm

Rational, even plausible, impractical and incongruent with reality in their established frame of reference.

Jeff Labute
May 29, 2020 11:03 am

These ridiculous predictions need to be mirrored on their own page perhaps. Sorted by Date/facility.

Robert of Texas
May 29, 2020 11:04 am

OK…Less snow means less disruption to the economy, less salt on the roads, less snowplowing, fewer floods, and likely a drop in people dying from cold…Yup, that’s really scary.

Shorter snow season means longer growing season, more food and crops, and less energy used to try and stay warm…equally scary.

They have convinced me…bring on global warming!

Reply to  Robert of Texas
May 29, 2020 11:49 am

But, but, but – less skiing, and lost jobs at the resorts. And, more importantly, if it becomes widespread, less snowpack in the Sierras, and California goes into a prolonged drought.

Drake
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
May 29, 2020 6:42 pm

But it is California.

The only problem would be Californians leaving and Cali-fornicating the politics of other states.

Tom Anderson
Reply to  Drake
May 30, 2020 12:10 pm

We’ll need to build another wall.

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
May 30, 2020 4:00 am

Who said ‘less rain?’

Richard M
May 29, 2020 11:18 am

I didn’t read the paper but to me this appears to be a good result projection. You don’t see many of those. Yes, I’m sure the media will find ways to spin it as bad, but clearly less cold and snow will mean less accidents on our highways, fewer pot holes, a longer growing season, less disease, etc. Isn’t this actually good news?

n.n
Reply to  Richard M
May 29, 2020 12:02 pm

Not if it is forced through anthropogenic carbon dioxide… carbon emissions. Recall that the goal of Greens, environmentalists, and moderates is to decarbonize the economy. Cooling then warming then climate change are merely em-pathetic appeals.

May 29, 2020 11:20 am

Less snow at the end of this century???
Who here is gonna be around in 80 years to fact check this lie?
The climate scam now depends on such lies being long forgotten.
No longer are they making 20 year out climate divinations that can get falsified within people’s professional career spans.

ResourceGuy
May 29, 2020 11:38 am

I guess we should ignore this graph eh.

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David Hoopman
May 29, 2020 11:42 am

On the chance that the projection is correct, one question: Are those who inhabit northern climes at the end of this century expected to be upset?

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