Senior WHO Advisor Urges a Climate Action Response to Covid-19

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

A senior executive advisor to the United Nations World Health Organization, which is supposed to be coordinating the global response to the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic, has just urged nations to embrace climate action as part of their response to the outbreak.

How climate change and the coronavirus are linked

02 Apr 2020
Arthur Wyns Climate change advisor, World Health Organization

The coronavirus pandemic may lead to a deeper understanding of the ties that bind us on a global scale.

Well-resourced healthcare systems are essential to protect us from health security threats, including climate change.

The support to resuscitate the economy after the pandemic should promote health, equity, and environmental protection.

We live in an age in which intersecting crises are being lifted to a global scale, with unseen levels of inequality, environmental degradation and climate destabilization, as well as new surges in populism, conflict, economic uncertainty, and mounting public health threats. All are crises that are slowly tipping the balance, questioning our business-as-usual economic model of the past decades, and requiring us to rethink our next steps.

There are, to a certain degree, parallels that can be drawn between the current COVID-19 pandemic and some of the other contemporary crises our world is facing. All require a global-to-local response and long-term thinking; all need to be guided by science and need to protect the most vulnerable among us; and all require the political will to make fundamental changes when faced with existential risks.

In this sense, the 2020 coronavirus pandemic may lead to a deeper understanding of the ties that bind us all on a global scale and could help us get to grips with the largest public health threat of the century, the climate crisis.

At the World Health Organization (WHO), where I am part of the climate change team, we are seeing the devastating consequences of under-prepared health systems when they are faced with these increasingly regular shocks. Some of these health impacts have a clear climate change signature, such as the increasing frequency and strength of extreme weather eventsor the expanding range and spread of vector-borne diseases like malaria or dengue. For others, such as the COVID-19 pandemic, the connection with climate change is less clear cut.

When we eventually overcome the COVID-19 pandemic, we can hopefully hold on to that sense of shared humanity in order to rebuild our social and economic systems to make them better, more resilient, and compassionate. The financial and social support packages to maintain and eventually resuscitate the global economy post-pandemic should therefore promote health, equity, and environmental protection.

Arthur Wyns is a climate change advisor to the World Health Organization (WHO). He writes in a personal capacity, his views do not necessarily represent WHO or any of its member states.

Read more: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/climate-change-coronavirus-linked/

If there is one organization which is not fit for purpose, other than the Chinese Communist Party, that organization is the WHO.

As late as March, the WHO resisted calls to declare the Chinese Coronavirus a global pandemic. “Unless we’re convinced it’s uncontrollable, why (would) we call it a pandemic?” WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in early March. Even CNN criticised Tedros Ghebreyesus’s fawning praise for China’s incompetence, coverups and lies.

Not content with displaying an utter lack of leadership in our hour of need, the WHO’s climate change advisor is now seeking to exploit global fear of the deadly Chinese disease to promote his organization’s climate change agenda.

When the Chinese Coronavirus is finally contained there will be a reckoning. If the WHO had done their job instead of playing politics, many lives would have been spared. The world deserves better than this.

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Earthling2
April 2, 2020 10:15 am

Unfortunately, all the panic with the Wuhan Coronavirus and COVID-19 will morph into the climate change meme after the virus goes away as we build herd immunity. However, now that the socialist Marxists have gotten a taste of absolute power to govern by decree through emergency powers, all they have to do is enact the same laws that some have already made in their Climate Emergency declarations. Whether they win out or not will depend much on whether America re-elects President Trump and the Republicans with 4 more years of some relief from these globalists, or vote for whomever is still alive in the Democrat Party. If it is a Democrat president, then I think the jig is up and we can say hello a lot faster to the notion of one world government and open borders governed more by the UN and WHO bodies. There is a lot riding on the next 6-7 months and the November USA election.

n.n
Reply to  Earthling2
April 2, 2020 11:26 am

Short-term immunity, perhaps. It will be back, again, and again, and again. The social contagion, however, is forced by its novelty and opportunity. That said, probably Gaia’s Choice.

Earthling2
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 11:52 am

SARS 1 is gone…let’s hope that SARS 2 follows the same trajectory as SARS 1. They are the from the same family type of coronavirus as I understand it, but cause different diseases. I am not making any claim. Having said that, 1/3 of all common colds are a coronavirus, and have had so many mutations, we haven’t even been able to create a vaccine for the common cold. One of things that stuck in my mind from the original Star Trek show was when Bones tells Captain Kirk and Spock that here it is the 24th century already, and we still haven’t found a cure for the common cold. Let’s hope this SARS-CoV-2 virus just goes extinct quickly.

n.n
Reply to  Earthling2
April 2, 2020 1:28 pm

SARS 1 is undetected and no longer a significant risk. Extinct? Maybe.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 12:00 pm

n.n.
Must stand for Normal Nutcase

n.n
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
April 2, 2020 1:23 pm

With what do you disagree?

icisil
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 12:10 pm

On what basis do you make that claim? Natural immunity is like love: it’s forever. Vaccine immunity is what doesn’t last.

n.n
Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 1:22 pm

I will agree with you. We should distinguish between the disease, and a class and variants of viruses. Also, “herd immunity” that varies with demographic. I should be more specific.

whiten
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 5:57 pm

n.n
April 2, 2020 at 1:22 pm

Also, “herd immunity” that varies with demographic.
———————-
Which for COVID19 seem to be set as per Global….

cheers

icisil
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 2, 2020 4:18 pm

Those stories are coming out of China. I don’t believe anything coming from there. Huge clusterphuck.

whiten
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 2, 2020 6:26 pm

Eric Worrall
April 2, 2020 at 2:08 pm

Covid-19 is a Coronavirus, like the common cold, so there is no long term immunity.
——————–
Yes it seems Covid-19 is like common cold,
but where do you get the idea that the immunity to common cold is not long term.
Besides, once infected, you are and stand infected for life.

Reminder,
immunity, herd immunity in natural term is not the same as artificial one.
A “natural jab” to a few is enough to achieve a fast wide spread one in nature.
A vaccine if good it gives you immunity, if you do not already have it,
and that is for life,
but the block to infection towards the said virus wains, as the “infection” from the vaccine’s antigen wares off, and not for life.

What do you think will happen to you if you had a good number of the possible cold flu
diseases “striking” you at once?… or maybe just a few that room around?
(if immunity and herd immunity was not for life)

cheers

MarkW
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 2, 2020 7:40 pm

False negatives from the tests are much more likely than re-infection.
The idea that the immune system could forget how to fight this virus in a matter of weeks just makes no sense.

whiten
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 2, 2020 9:04 pm

Eric Worrall
April 2, 2020 at 7:58 pm

The immune system upgrades far much faster and efficiently to viral mutations than supposedly the vaccine upgrades…
where you may just have got the idea, (the wrong one)
that the immune system can not keep up efficiently with viral mutations.

The common cold flu generally returns always in winter season, the cold one,
(aka “cold flu”),
and that has nothing to do with the immune response or it’s ability to upgrade.
It is simply a matter of the cold increasing wear and tear in the lungs which leads to triggering the incubation from the state of dormancy and hibernation of the given virus.
More cold flu viruses there, in the herd, aka the individuals too,
more steady the seasonal periodicity of cold flu.

COVID-19 is bound to the same rules…prone to such periodicity.
Bound by such rules to enter dormancy and hibernation by the force of the “plural” in the cold flu seasonal infection condition…
the class and the environment-condition that it belongs.

Hopefully this helps a little. 🙂

cheers

old white guy
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2020 7:38 am

We will not shut it down without a natural immunity response from human beings. Like everything else that we have that can “take” us from this world this virus is just one more.

MarkW
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2020 7:52 am

The reports that I’ve been reading say that COVID19 doesn’t mutate rapidly.

Earthling2
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 3, 2020 10:05 am

Eric, you may be correct about there being no long term immunity to the Coronavirus, but perhaps what we mean is that there could be immunity to the COVID-19 disease once people recover from having had the SARS-CoV-2 virus. In other words, perhaps many people will be reinfected with the virus, but it won’t cause the COVID-19 disease again. Just like the original SARS CoV virus caused the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) disease, which seems to have just disappeared from the face of the good Earth. Of course, this is just my speculation at this point, because we don’t yet understand how everything works. Just my 2 cents worth…

Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 3:59 pm

China’s ‘wet’ food markets will continue to generate new cross-over diseases from animals unless the gov orders a change in these ‘farmers’ raising the menagerie of small animals from across the animal kingdom in their homes for food stalls.

Almost all the exotic x-over viruses that have infected the world are from China. Perhaps embarrassment with this, given their emergence into the modern world will move them to act. I know the UN WHO sycophant admirers of this country won’t raise the matter.

Apparently, Vietnam passed laws a number of years ago forcing these family enterprises to have separate buildings from their dwellings for these animals because of the human health issues.

Earthling2
Reply to  Gary Pearse
April 3, 2020 9:33 am

Apparently many of the ancient plagues and diseases also originated in China and followed the old southern Silk Road road from Wuhan to Persia to Constantinople/Rome and Europe and to other points beyond. And the more northern routes as well. So there is appears to be nothing new under the Sun, except now it spreads at the speed of a modern day jet liner to the 4 corners of the world.

The best way to change China’s behaviour in the near to long term future is economically. If we would have demanded major changes to some of their practices before the World Trade Organization allowed them to join in 2001, much of this virus carnage could have been prevented. It isn’t too late to reign in China by limiting trade with them to a mercantile exchange of goods and raw resources. And to give other nations a choice…either join the Free World, or join China. If the nations that join China over the West, then they also don’t get preferential trade and restricted Visa access to travel the world. But it should be very clear that a paradigm shift is happening, and it isn’t going to be in China’s favour if they don’t change a lot of their evil ways. Halting Chinese travel would be first place to start on them injecting both their literal virus’ and their infectious totalitarian predatory economic fascism they implement in many places around the world.

D Cage
Reply to  Earthling2
April 3, 2020 10:27 am

Halting manufacture there is the only step that would make one jot of difference. The west no longer has the skill st to do that as for a generation we have worshipped the Greater Dumbbirds, ball hitters and kickers and boob hangers over engineers especially manufacturing ones.

Reply to  Earthling2
April 3, 2020 1:59 pm

Why is there a virology lab only 300 yards from the wet market in Wuhan?
Since when it is a good idea to eat bat soup? You know bats, the carriers of rabies?

Analitik
Reply to  Gary Pearse
April 3, 2020 7:12 pm

China’s ‘wet’ food markets will continue to generate new cross-over diseases from animals unless the gov orders a change

Only if you accept this premise – poverty stricken communities have been eating wild animals that you would consider “exotic” for millenia

Much more likely, given the genetic distancing from the closest bat virus, is that the virus was inadvertently released from a “gain of function” experiment for vaccine research (it’s not deadly enough for an engineered bioweapon). As huls states, there is a biolab very close to the wet market where the virus was allegedly spread from.

Will
Reply to  Earthling2
April 4, 2020 9:21 am

Ceasing to accept cash for purchases during this corona crisis is another opportunity for the globalist control freaks to gain more control.

Bryan A
April 2, 2020 10:18 am

Hear Here

Andy
Reply to  Bryan A
April 3, 2020 1:29 pm

What the heck is that supposed to mean? At the very least use Wikipedia if you are illiterate. Damn engineers.

Ian Magness
April 2, 2020 10:20 am

“All require a global-to-local response” (we know exactly where you are going with this Arthur…)
“the largest public health threat of the century, the climate crisis”
“Some of these health impacts have a clear climate change signature, such as the increasing frequency and strength of extreme weather events or the expanding range and spread of vector-borne diseases like malaria or dengue.”
OMG PLEASE spare us from these swamp creatures at a time like this.

Peter Fraser
Reply to  Ian Magness
April 2, 2020 3:21 pm

Don’t malign us swamp creatures.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Peter Fraser
April 2, 2020 4:05 pm

Yes, there is something under the barrel!

Peter Fraser
Reply to  Ian Magness
April 2, 2020 3:24 pm

Don’t malign the swamp creatures.

April 2, 2020 10:27 am

“… the expanding range and spread of vector-borne diseases like malaria or dengue. For others, such as the COVID-19 pandemic, the connection with climate change is less clear cut.”
He means this one is so much more difficult to spin to the media that not even they are buying the usual climate crisis causation meme…

Greg
April 2, 2020 10:28 am

If we’d spend a few less billions per year climate pseudo-science we would easily be able to afford more ventilators and paper masks !

It is no surprise that UN which tries to use fake “climate crisis” to sieze control of sovereign state’s energy policy ( and hence their economy ) is trying to leverage the current health crisis to further the same ends.

Goldrider
Reply to  Greg
April 2, 2020 2:02 pm

I don’t think anyone much is listening to the UN right now, let alone their climate nonsense. The WHO screwed the pooch on COVID-19 big time, and no one is trusting anything out of China at the moment.
It was pretty obvious the WHO (a political organization like the IPCC) was in China’s pocket, so we’re not exactly looking to them for guidance right now.

Which is fitting, since we sure as hell didn’t elect any of those people to tell us what to do anyway. A fact that the Western world for some reason keeps forgetting. Perhaps it’s the Chardonnay.

Neil
Reply to  Goldrider
April 2, 2020 2:52 pm

I think you’re right about the UN, you can see a parallel with what is currently occurring in the EU, which with the UK leaving, coupled with what Europeans are literally witnessing right now, is that these massive bureaucracies are impotent in dealing with issues like the current problem, which affects its members but offer no solutions for its members. You’re on your own as the EU has said. Europeans are increasingly distrusting of the EU and similarly this will make more of the planet wary and distrustful of the UN and particularly the WHO and the IPCC.

Sunny
April 2, 2020 10:35 am

Do the greens know something that we don’t know?? The chinese virus is “evil” and bad, yet all they cry about is the climate 😐

Jeffery P
Reply to  Sunny
April 2, 2020 12:12 pm

They think they know something we don’t know. But pretty much everything they think they know just isn’t true.

Latitude
Reply to  Sunny
April 2, 2020 12:47 pm

..must remain relevant…….must remain relevant…….must remain relevant

J Mac
April 2, 2020 10:46 am

The top levels of WHO management are fawning China supporters. The brazen kowtowing to China by WHO illustrates why neither can be trusted for unbiased information.

George V
April 2, 2020 10:49 am

Given that the WHO lately appears to be heavily influenced by China, and that China would benefit by the western world destroying their own economies by adopting policies to supposedly mitigate climate change, it does not surprise me that a WHO representative would say this.

April 2, 2020 10:50 am

…the largest public health threat of the century, the climate crisis.

That’s as far as I was going to read. The United States really does need to get out of the U.N. Tell ’em to vacate the building in New York and go somewhere else.

H.R.
Reply to  Steve Case
April 2, 2020 11:33 am

I’m still a fan of the now decades old saying, “Get the U.S. out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of the U.S.”

Same thing you said, Steve, and I absolutely agree, so +1. But I always liked that catchy turn of phrase.

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 2, 2020 10:51 am

Unfortunately for that deluded ‘climate change advisor’, whatever that is, most people will learn from this pandemic that immediate, real and obvious problems in the real world are rather more important than his computer-generated fantasies.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
April 2, 2020 12:26 pm

Ed Zuiderwijk April 2, 2020 at 10:51 am

So true. love the phrase, “computer-generated fantasies.”

Michael Carter
April 2, 2020 10:53 am

Climate change alarmism was the prettiest girl at the MSM party. Then the model walked in

We all know how that works out

Walter Sobchak
April 2, 2020 11:00 am

Another chorus of ride my hobbyhorse, please.

Megs
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 2, 2020 8:58 pm

Luv, Luv, Luved it Walter. Thank you.

April 2, 2020 11:04 am

What do you expect? It’s not just the IPCC/UNFCCC that wants to undermine the success of the developed world, but all organizations associated with the UN share this agenda, including WHO. The UN has been trying to redistribute western wealth to the third world since its inception. Climate change is just the current excuse. No doubt that when the climate science scam is fully exposed, they will find some other imaginary justification.

n.n
Reply to  co2isnotevil
April 2, 2020 11:23 am

To paraphrase Lenin: The democrats will sell us the rope with which we will gerrymander the districts and force redistributive change. The normalization of reproductive rites and other dysfunctional religions (i.e. behavioral protocol) is a bonus that he may have hoped but probably didn’t predict… or maybe he did.

rah
April 2, 2020 11:14 am

Pull WHO funding. They are obviously a political organization and science and medicine are merely a cover/tool for their politics.

BCBill
Reply to  rah
April 2, 2020 12:33 pm

One of the major problems with the WHO is that funding was pulled and now WHO is funded in a large part by Big Pharma and by the Chinese Government on behalf of their Very Big Pharma. The WHO doesn’t deserve any credibility after a series of Keystone Cop escapades including the H1N1 Swine Flu debacle. Why anybody would turn to them for guidance with their track record would be incomprehensible except that we know the way governments and MSM work. If anything good comes out of this SARS2 comedy, perhaps it will be the complete restructuring of the WHO, though at this point it seems that we are more likely to bring back burning witches to control plague.

rah
Reply to  BCBill
April 2, 2020 2:52 pm

The US accounts for 15% of WHO funding currently.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/trump-administration-budget-cuts-to-global-health/
Trump is obviously already moving to get away from that.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/10/trump-world-health-organization-funding-coronavirus-state-department-usaid-budget-cuts/

As for China? I want them on their belly. And we better start doing it before they develop the ability to project real conventional military power. Despite the what one reads in the general press, China’s Navy and Air Force are 2nd rate. As yet nowhere close to the ability the US has. But they’ve been working hard to change that and will eventually get there if they aren’t stopped. Without the power to project first rate Naval and Air power the Chinese Army is really only a factor in China’s immediate sphere of influence.

The strategic goal should be to chop China down economically. Isolate them. Reduce their economy to the point where they don’t have the resources for the massive effort in military expansion and development they have now. Make them spend the majority of their GDP in keeping the masses that have become accustomed to improving living conditions satisfied. I don’t want to see them on their knees. I want them on their belly!

If we don’t I fear we’re doomed to WW III.

Earthling2
Reply to  rah
April 2, 2020 9:49 pm

Agreed! The Red China Communist Party is a VIRUS that must be rooted out and made extinct. This is getting similar to about 1935 and the trajectory with Japan. Military conflict is all but guaranteed with the Communist Party of China. If we elect a Democrat president, we may just as well dig up the English PM Neville Chamberlain and prop him out front with a sign in his dead hands that says “Peace for our time” which was his declaration made in his 30 September 1938 speech concerning the Munich Agreement and the subsequent Anglo-German Declaration.

Rich Davis
Reply to  rah
April 2, 2020 1:41 pm

US out of the UN and UN out of New York!
Let them move to Brussels and let the EU globalists pay for their useless activities.

czechlist
Reply to  Rich Davis
April 2, 2020 4:08 pm

They should move to a third world $hi_hole where they can live among and readily service those they claim to care so much about. China can fund them.
John D. Rockefeller’s property and the UNHQ building are well suited for use as a mental institution.

Rich Davis
Reply to  czechlist
April 3, 2020 7:05 am

I’d like to see the UN complex torn down, all the rubble dumped far out to sea, and a large park take its place. Maybe a small museum documenting all the corruption and the futility of world government based on giving every tinpot kleptocracy a vote.

n.n
April 2, 2020 11:15 am

The social contagion spreads faster than the virus is a Green opportunity.

NYC Health: COVID-19 Daily Data Summary: Deaths

1397 deaths. 1046 underlying conditions. 333 conditions pending.

635 age 75 and over

574 female sex
872 male sex

The lessons Italy has learned about its COVID-19 outbreak could help the rest of the world

“The biggest mistake we made was to admit patients infected with COVID-19 into hospitals throughout the region,” said Carlo Borghetti, the vice-premier of Lombardy, an economically crucial region with a population of 10 million.

Curious George
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 12:05 pm

What happened to other 48 genders?

n.n
Reply to  Curious George
April 2, 2020 1:03 pm

Refreshing, isn’t it?

Two sexes: male and female. Two genders (i.e. physical and mental sex-correlated attributes): masculine and feminine, respectively. And a transgender spectrum from homosexual to neosexual.

rah
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 2:15 pm

There are only two sexes and Lord only knows how many Genders there are or will be according to the mentally disturbed. The left tries to complicate the simplest things. It’s part of their deception. They have Ivory towers full of worthless scum with alphabets after their name to think up such bull hockey.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Curious George
April 3, 2020 1:22 am

Excellent question!

I suspect this nonsense about genders, and indeed the whole Woke movement, will not survive this, a real crisis for a change.

Bryan A
Reply to  n.n
April 2, 2020 12:05 pm

How many Gender Neutered?

Juice
April 2, 2020 11:17 am

Wait. Aren’t we already doing it? We’ve essentially shut down air travel and holiday cruises. Hardly anyone is out driving. CO2 emissions have been dramatically reduced for the past 2-3 weeks. We’re already doing what they want and it’s crippling the global economy. They should be overjoyed.

Reply to  Juice
April 2, 2020 12:28 pm

Juice April 2, 2020 at 11:17 am

They should be overjoyed.

I’m sure that more than a few of them are.

April 2, 2020 11:28 am

“A senior executive advisor to the United Nations World Health Organization, which is supposed to be coordinating the global response to the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic, has just urged nations to embrace climate action as part of their response to the outbreak.”

Remember when the ILO did labor, the FAO did agriculture, the WHO did health, the World Bank did infrastructure loans for developing countries, the WMO did Meteorology, and the UNDP did economic development of poor countries? Now they all do Climate.

The UN is a rogue bureaucracy out of control. We need to shut it down and start over.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/18/the-eco-crisis-ambition-of-the-un/

Earthling2
Reply to  Chaamjamal
April 2, 2020 11:58 am

Maybe time to give the League of Nations (Version2) another go…with a different mandate than the UN.

Curious George
Reply to  Chaamjamal
April 2, 2020 12:06 pm

Shut it down – yes. Start over – no.

April 2, 2020 11:34 am

Keep going WHO. reveal yourself.

Bryan A
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
April 2, 2020 12:10 pm

WHO are you
who, who, who, who
Well I really wanna know

April 2, 2020 11:36 am

“The coronavirus pandemic may lead to a deeper understanding of the ties that bind us on a global scale.”

Let me help you, Arthur. The coronavirus pandemic may lead to a deeper understanding of the lies that blind us on a global scale.

April 2, 2020 11:36 am

Pull out of the U.N. Pull out of WHO. Why do we pay for lairs? Let some all knowing country pay for stupidity.I don’t pay taxes for dumb Arses.Why do you.

April 2, 2020 11:39 am

http://www.wetlandlife.org/latest/29-historic-malaria-in-the-uk
“However, temperate Europe was also once affected by malaria. In the UK, malaria was a fact of life for people living in areas of brackish or tidal wetlands until as recently as the early 1900s. Such habitats were suited to the British mosquito species Anopheles atroparvus, which was able to carry the disease from person to person. Ague, or marsh fever, as malaria was more commonly known, was associated with fits of shivering and chills, followed by fever and sweating. Although it is thought that the species of malaria parasite that circulated in Europe was a less lethal strain than that found in much of Africa, there was an undeniable toll on the communities at risk, including fatalities.”
Malaria was gradually eradicated from the UK as housing and healthcare improved. But the impact of malaria can still be found, if you know where to look. As part of wetlandLIFE, Research Fellow Dr Frances Hawkes and project artists Helmut Lemke, Dr Kerry Morrison and Victoria Leslie visited the North Kent Marshes last week, to experience first-hand a landscape where malaria used to be commonplace.
The team found a poignant reminder of the suffering caused by malaria at St James’ Church in Cooling on the Hoo Peninsula. In the graveyard of this 13th century church lie thirteen small gravestones, each belonging to an infant who died of suspected ague between 1771 and 1854. The church and the atmospheric marshlands leading down to the estuary of the River Thames were made famous by Charles Dickens in his 1861 novel Great Expectations. The churchyard is the location where young Pip meets the convict Magwitch, with Dickens’ describing the graves as “little stone lozenges each about a foot and a half long, which were arranged in a neat row beside their [parents’] graves”. Hence, they have become known as Pip’s Graves.”

TG McCoy
April 2, 2020 11:51 am

Sooo we never recover from the economic collapse that the UN wants.
Serf’s u!!p

Richard from Brooklyn (south)
April 2, 2020 11:52 am

Who:
(we) won’t get fooled again.

April 2, 2020 11:57 am

Geothermal denial is the most expensive scientific mistake of all time. No?

http://phzoe.com/2020/03/04/dumbest-math-theory-ever/

Curious George
Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 12:09 pm

Our atmosphere should not be modeled as a black body.

Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 2:16 pm

Zoe, to quote your site…
“…preventing radiation from reaching a colder place does not cause heating back at the source…“
Well, it does if the source has a heat generation means.
I don’t know how to be polite about this. You clearly need to get a lot more serious about studying radiative heat transfer. You are simply spreading junk science.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
April 2, 2020 2:35 pm

No, Sorry, DMackenzie, but the heat generation means are limited to say ~165 W/m^2. The molecules radiated by a continuous 165 W/m^2 do not suddenly move faster because somewhere else down the line (atmosphere) they are moving slower.

Remember, there is no such thing as conservation of heat flow. In GH effect junk science there is. And so to preserve the heat flow (a nonsense notion) they imagine the sun-warmed source must get hotter.

Q = e* s * (Th^4 – Tc^4)

Q goes to ZERO, but climate scammers try to preserve Q, and so Th “must” get hotter.

What stupid junk science.

Hospitals recommend wring blankets to 93C so as to raise skin temperature by a measely 1C. But according to your religion even a colder blanket will warm you up much more substantially.

You need to get serious about reality, not ideological mathematics aided by rheotoric.

Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 5:47 pm

When there is a Tsky between Tground and Tspace, then yes, Tground will get hotter due to the Q from Tsun. The Q must go to space, so Q is conserved….all in agreement with the T^4 SB equations you have written….but not in agreement with your stated interpretations.
“Q goes to zero” WTF ?
One can only conclude that you are a spoofer, punking people who are trying to understand phenomena that is unfamiliar to them. Shame on you.

Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 6:30 pm

You are the spoofer.
There’s no such thing as conservation of heat flow.

Molecules at the surface do not move faster because somewhere else up in the sky they move slower.

No, shame on you, vermin.

“Hospitals recommend warming blankets to 93C so as to raise skin temperature by a measely 1C. But according to your religion even a colder blanket will warm you up much more substantially.”

I see no response…
How telling, vermin.

MarkW
Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 7:48 pm

If there is no conservation of heat flow, then energy is being destroyed.

PS, the fact that you always have to result to school ground insults after repeating the same disproven arguments over and over again just goes to show that even you don’t understand the nonsense you are trying to sell.

Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 8:21 pm

No, Mark, No energy is being destroyed. Energy simply flows from hot to cold, and not from hot to cold back to hot, making hot hotter.

You’re an imbecile, and someone needs to say it. One needs to resort to insults when low life scums simply repeats the same lies over and over again.

There’s ZERO experimental evidence to support you. And when you are presented with evidence that refutes you (see hospital blankets), you just ignore it.

MarkW
Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 3, 2020 8:02 am

Once again, you go out of your way to demonstrate your ignorance of energy.
Everything that is above absolute zero radiates.
Everything that is radiated will eventually hit something.
Everything that hits something will increase the energy of that something.
The temperature of the two objects is irrelevant.

PS: I’ve never seen you refute anything I’ve stated. You just scream the same nonsense ever louder and with ever more insults.

I can’t wait for school to get back in session so you have something else to occupy your time.

Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 3, 2020 5:42 pm

Response:
“..no such thing as conservation of…” you are incorrect
“….molecules at surface do not move faster…”. yes they move faster due to being warmed by the sun.
And blankets have nothing much to with it, other than a blanket at a temperature between body temp and cold ambient does result in less radiative heat loss to ambient….but inhibiting convection is the main warming effect of a blanket.
And your ad hominems are not appropriate for a lady nor this site.

MarkW
Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 7:47 pm

I don’t know where you got your training in thermodynamics Zoe, but you really need to get your money back.

You should also spend a minute or two studying up on cause and effect.
Both the downstream atoms moving slower and the upstream atoms moving faster are both an affect of something else. Neither one is a cause.

When something slows down the rate of heat transfer, the downstream atoms get colder and move slower, also the upstream get hotter and hence move faster.

Reply to  MarkW
April 2, 2020 8:18 pm

Mark,
So hospitals don’t need to warm their blankets. The colder the blanket the more the patient warms up. Why don’t you become a consultant for hospitals? You can save them money by getting rid of blanket warming devices.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
April 3, 2020 8:02 am

Are you actually claiming that blankets only work if they’ve been warmed first????

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
April 3, 2020 10:31 am

Amongst Zoe’s many intellectual shortcomings, we can add not knowing the difference between transitory and steady state.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
April 7, 2020 9:23 am

So, let me get this straight, Zoe, if you walk into a cold room (say 40 degrees F), pick up a blanket that has been sitting in that room (IE the blanket is also at 40 degrees F) and wrap that blanket around you, that blanket remains cold after, say a half hour to an hour, and hasn’t warmed, even a little (IE it’s still 40 degrees F), and you don’t feel nice and comfy (or at least not as un-comfy) in that blanket and instead feel just as cold as when you wrapped that blanket around you? seriously?

Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 5:19 pm

Yes sir, Mr Zoe Phin.
I have also noted the atmosphere bias of climate science. Here are some examples (I have more)

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/14/atmosphere-bias/

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/20/an-atmosphere-bias-part-2/

Reply to  chaamjamal
April 2, 2020 6:26 pm

It’s Mrs.
I’m glad others can see what climate scientists did.

MarkW
Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 2, 2020 7:43 pm

Yet another time around this tired old hobby horse.
One could almost conclude that Zoe is being paid to distribute this nonsense.

Analitik
Reply to  Zoe Phin
April 3, 2020 7:16 pm

Just ignore the attention seeking troll, everyone.

Mike
April 2, 2020 11:58 am

Time to repurpose some money where it will do some good. Trump should cut off the UN completely. Nothing useful there. With most of their money cut off they will hopefully go silent.

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