San Francisco bans reusable bags in coronavirus fight

From The Hill

San Francisco is banning reusable shopping bags to prevent outside germs from entering grocery stores as the coronavirus pandemic affects cities around the country,

The new ordinance from the San Francisco Department of Public Health aims to reinforce existing social distancing protocols by restricting customers from bringing their own bags, mugs, or other reusable items to essential stores, according to a statement.

San Francisco was one of the first cities in the U.S. to ban the use of plastic shopping bags in 2007 to reduce the environmental impact caused by plastic waste, according to SFGate.com.

San Francisco Mayor London Breed (D) on Wednesday extended stay-at-home orders for the public, running until May 3.

“I can’t reiterate enough how important it is for all of us to continue to comply, for all of us to continue to be good citizens, to cooperate,” Breed said.

Full article here.

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niceguy
April 2, 2020 2:19 pm

So now they are on record unquestionably asserting: reusable = infection spreader.

Couldn’t tort lawyers get San Francisco in court for past epidemics possibly spread by reusable bags?

Latitude
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 2:28 pm

LOL…so they were just fine making us sick before

Bill Powers
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 2:44 pm

30 to 40 thousands deaths in a typical flu season. Seems we could get a good class action suit going

Van Doren
Reply to  Bill Powers
April 2, 2020 7:48 pm

Fake numbers. For example RKI says 25 thousands flu dead in Germany annually. The real number this year to date is 265. And the flu season is over. The real high record year was 1120 in 2018, the low record was 21 in the last 10 years.

Derg
Reply to  Van Doren
April 3, 2020 4:41 am

Source please

Bill Powers
Reply to  Van Doren
April 3, 2020 9:21 am

Even if you get all your news from CNN 🤣. Read below Van Doren, you are a propaganda troll

2017 was a bad Year in the United States, which in case you are confused houses San Francisco (try reading the articles before you troll), but note That a mild year 2011-12 12,000 to a bad year 2012- 13 56,000. The range for a typical year in the U.S. of 30 to 40 thousand:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017–2018-cdc-bn/index.html

Now if you woulod like to include Germany in the Worldwide numbers 5 million flu cases annually 650,000 Deaths annually:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus-grabs-headlines/5701932

Doubt it? heres another source:
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914

By the way the UN funded World Health Organization is providing a propaganda service to the Chinese Communists regarding their lies and under reporting of the Coronavirus in China and even they acknowledge 650,000 flu deaths in 2017:

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/14-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year

Whats the old saw? You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The fake news starts with you Vandie.

niceguy
Reply to  Bill Powers
April 4, 2020 3:55 am

OK so your facts are from the corrupt useless UN, and you still peddle these, NPC?

Rocketscientist
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 2:49 pm

These people have more knee-jerk-reactions than a marionette with jitters.
Could they simply be using this as an excuse of convenience to reverse a previously poor decision to require the use of reusable bags, which only increased the amount of plastic entering the landfills.

commieBob
Reply to  Rocketscientist
April 2, 2020 4:39 pm

When I was a pup we had this thing called wisdom. We were taught to admire and emulate the wise. We learned poems like If by Rudyard Kipling.

It’s a long time since I heard anyone talk about wisdom. It’s been replaced by the bloviations of the Intellectual yet Idiot (IYI) crowd.

I miss wisdom. Am I imagining it or did I really go through the entirety of my post secondary education without hearing the word ‘wisdom’ even once.

Jordan Peterson takes a good crack at defining wisdom. link

Editor
Reply to  commieBob
April 2, 2020 5:31 pm

Thanks for the link to “If”, commieBob. I don’t recall ever reading it before. And thanks also for the other links, too.

Stay safe and healthy,
Bob

Colin
Reply to  commieBob
April 2, 2020 6:53 pm

Along with wisdom was COMMON SENSE. Very short supply of both

Redge
Reply to  Colin
April 2, 2020 11:07 pm

These days common sense is a rare commodity

Photios
Reply to  Colin
April 3, 2020 8:02 am

Common sense is misnamed.

Bill Powers
Reply to  commieBob
April 3, 2020 9:30 am

allow me to add reason and logic. The latter was a prerequisite college course for all majors back when Wisdom was the driving force behind getting an education.

Now college is simply Advanced Indoctrination and not surprisingly Logic courses are not even an elective.

Michael Nagy
Reply to  commieBob
April 3, 2020 3:05 pm

Commiebob, and we never got wisdom from teenage girls either,

Cam
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 8:58 pm

Where I live, they banned single use plastic bags so the merchants got rid of them. Now, the grocery stores (just about the only place still open) are scrambling to get a supply of bags in the middle of the crisis.

Reply to  Cam
April 3, 2020 8:36 am

SF has the same problem, only their single use bags have been banned for 13 years. No longer can use the resuable ones and nobody (except Costco) has the plastic ones. Wonder how their supply of paper bags is? Cheers –

Jim G
Reply to  niceguy
April 3, 2020 11:43 am

Plastic bags are evil, unless the consumer pays a tax on them.
Then they are A-OK.
Unless there’s a pandemic.
Then they’re evil again…

One of our stores brought out the good ole paper bags.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Jim G
April 3, 2020 3:45 pm

G’Day Jim G: those “good ole paper bags”.

The history of the paper bag, as we know it today, and sometimes called a self opening sack is interesting. A Miss Knight – an inventor/engineer – had a bit to do with it. When she died she had 87 patents to her credit. I know Wikipedia is a nasty word around here, but their “Paper Bag” seems to be uncontaminated. Just a couple of minutes of ‘I didn’t know that’ history…..

Rudolf Huber
April 2, 2020 2:19 pm

How quickly bain comes back to people when their lives are really on the line. Let’s see how long this one lasts but finally, people get a taste of what life is without the basic comforts. Wanna know what life without fossil fuels will be like. Remember COVID-19 and put plenty of steroids into that. Just imagine you get surgery – how about doing that on REpower only?

April 2, 2020 2:20 pm

But won’t that end the world??
All that – ugh – oil used to make the single-use bags??

Auto

Patrick MJD
Reply to  auto
April 2, 2020 5:35 pm

Natural gas.

Redge
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 11:10 pm

The greens have certainly got plenty of that

Master of the Obvious
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 4, 2020 5:47 am

No, it’s oil. Petroleum refineries crack-down heavier fractions to make ethylene which is the feedstock for polyethylene. Could you make ethylene from methane? Yes, but now you’re pushing the chemistry uphill which takes more energy. Also, oil is cheaper than natural gas on most days.

April 2, 2020 2:25 pm

First, they ban Hygenic ‘single-use’ plastic bags because people throw them about carelessly and then suddenly they panic and realise that the replacement reusable shopping bags carry germs and viruses about and into the food stores. There is no deep thinking going on here and what thinking there is, is highly destructive. This is the same shallow thinking that allowed the ‘Global Warming/Climate Change’ nonsense to get a grip.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 4, 2020 8:54 am

Now, how long until they realize that single use straws in a paper sleeve are by far the most sanitary way to consume liquids?
Lips never touch container where hands have been.
And are those straws really what pollution is?
We used to call it littering, and told people not to do and had a hefty fine, and littering was rare.
Somewhere along the line, the lefties that love to scream at people became the messiest slobs on Earth, and only a ban keeps things out of their hands that they can make messes with. But they demonstrate everywhere they go that there are a million ways to be messy and a slob.
How long before we have disposable rubber gloves and face masks littering up all the big cities?
After leftist rallies and gatherings…it is ibvious…they all consider the whole world a trash bin. Who throws trash on the ground?

Curious George
April 2, 2020 2:26 pm

San Francisco is the first major city to ban reusable bags. Weren’t the also the first to ban single-use bags?

n.n
Reply to  Curious George
April 2, 2020 3:02 pm

Rebels with a cause… They adapt with large step sizes and are prone to overshooting the mark, often with catastrophic results. The last time this happened was the HIV/AIDS pandemic, where political congruence (“=”) created a stigma so that trans/homo males could not easily moderate their pride and walk back from their orientation and lifestyle. And, of course, one-child… selective-child. #WickedSolution

nw sage
Reply to  Curious George
April 2, 2020 7:32 pm

Ban plastic bags
Then ban reusable bags (and other stuff)
The next step – tomorrow? – is to ban people
They need to start that new ban with the ‘leaders’

Van Doren
Reply to  Curious George
April 2, 2020 7:51 pm

Socialists don’t believe people can think for themselves.

yarpos
Reply to  Curious George
April 3, 2020 3:30 pm

They do like banning things, dont they?

Power and control, moving the minions on the chess board of life, they just love it.

Bryan A
April 2, 2020 2:32 pm

So if Reusable Bags are banned and Single Use Plastic bags are banned (so they don’t get binned) I guess we’re stuck with the Ever Shrinking Single Use Paper Bags. Since we can’t reuse them, will we still get charged for them??? AYUP!!!

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Bryan A
April 2, 2020 3:05 pm

Most “single use” bags are rarely only every used only once. Ever since I was a child we lined the trash containers with the old biodegradable brown paper bags. Shortly came the TV marketing campaign where housewives had to contend with paper bags that leaked and often shredded as you carried them to the outside bin, oh the horrors! Then we got hooked on plastic trash bags, which preceded the lightweight so-called single use plastic bags, which still had their off-the-books secondary usage.
So now we come full circle yet again.

jtom
Reply to  Rocketscientist
April 3, 2020 4:47 pm

If you were really old, you would also remember that we made book covers out of them for our textbooks.

mario lento
Reply to  jtom
April 3, 2020 5:12 pm

I did!

Monster
Reply to  Bryan A
April 2, 2020 5:51 pm

I re-use my paper bags at the grocery store, since they instituted a $0.10 fee. It’s the principle, you know?

DonM
Reply to  Monster
April 2, 2020 8:01 pm

I generally carry what I can, or just use the cart and the car if it more than a handful.

But I also have a couple of folded paper bags for credit, not for use. It’s the principle (and 300 store trips x 0.05 = $15 since the ban).

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Monster
April 2, 2020 8:29 pm

Don’t try to reuse the in a trash can/bin with wet material. Pick up bag, get bag sides only with trash and bottom of bag still in bin. They don’t handle liquid well!

Bryan A
April 2, 2020 2:34 pm

Perhaps we should use Anti-Microbial plastic Glad Trash Bags
Since they’re already Garbage Bags, You CAN throw them away

Steve Case
April 2, 2020 2:50 pm

Wisconsin’s newly elected Democrat governor won’t be far behind.

J Mac
Reply to  Steve Case
April 2, 2020 4:28 pm

Tony Evers is another ‘weather cocking’ socialist democrat. When reality slaps them hard enough in the face, they may be amenable to reason-based decisions.

Tim Gorman
April 2, 2020 2:54 pm

What the idiot leftists on the left coast don’t understand is that those plastic bags are *not* single use. We had this discussion on here just a couple of days ago. Uses – line small room trash cans, pick up cat vomit and dog poop, cover side mirrors on cars when it’s going to snow or ice, use them as padding in boxes of cookies being sent to relatives and friends, The Marxists on the coast may be on the left of the political spectrum but most of them don’t have any left side brain cells. McGuyver must be a constant source of magic to them.

mario lento
April 2, 2020 2:56 pm

Add this to the list of the LEFT being hoisted on their own petard.
They remove free will for whatever the reason is, and it blows back on them.

By the time the pandemic is over, everyone will be convinced that…
1. Open borders are a menace.
2. Globalization is a menace.
3. Public transportation is a menace, while private cars keep families safe.
4. Public schools are a menace.
5. Homeschooling is great.
6. Gun owners have fewer anxieties to deal with during a crisis.
7. Hollywood is a bunch of nincompoops.
8. The mainstream media is a useless menace.
9. Communists can’t be trusted and are a menace.
10. Capitalist enterprise reacts to emergencies faster and more efficiently, while the obstructionist bureaucracy is a menace.
11. All essentials must be manufactured within our own borders.
12. A businessman makes a better president than a career politician.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  mario lento
April 2, 2020 3:33 pm

Mario L: excellent list! Probably we should only have a couple of thousand flu deaths a year were it not for illegal immigrants, resuable bags, etc.

niceguy
Reply to  mario lento
April 2, 2020 3:57 pm

“11. All essentials must be manufactured within our own borders.”

That isn’t doable in almost all countries.

But we can at least avoid making nearly all essential drugs (or their ingredients) inside China.

mario lento
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 4:23 pm

All Essentials, I think we agree, are things we need for national security reasons. Change ALL into most. In other words, if a country says, we are at war with you or we want leverage over you, and they don’t provide you with [fill in the blank].

Mark Luhman
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 8:26 pm

It doable in this country, not in Europe, not in China.

niceguy
Reply to  mario lento
April 2, 2020 5:08 pm

“manufactured within our own borders”

A great deal of the Joint strike fighter/F-35 isn’t even made in the US!

So not even the military could accomplish that.

mario lento
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 5:15 pm

Good point, but that is the point that I was making… that will need to change for countries like China and the US.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 8:33 pm

Wrong, the US has everything it need within our borders, the only thing is the will to go and get them. Maybe we should not get Cobalt of somewhere that still used child labor. Yes our ore may not be as good and it will cost more to refine but the human cost and national risk will be less.

mikewaite
Reply to  Mark Luhman
April 3, 2020 1:09 am

Link up with Canada . I suspect that its mineral resources are far from exhausted . The Sudbury area for example. According to the Canadian Encyclopedia , the mines , most famous for nickel also can produce , lead , cobalt , platinum and chalcogenides – all useful for renewables (lead is a component of metal- organic perovskite photovoltaics).

Reply to  mario lento
April 3, 2020 12:00 pm

It is funny how a lot of liberal assumptions are taking a hit. My favorites are the ones about transit and school. The internet has already made schools obsolete except for indoctrination and electric cars are going to make transit by train obsolete as well.

mario lento
Reply to  Starman
April 3, 2020 12:31 pm

You’re right and now, your automobile, which is infinitely flexible, continues to be of value. Imagine all those people living in SF now without a car? They are staying in the midst of the concentrated problems!

jtom
Reply to  mario lento
April 3, 2020 5:01 pm

Add, large populations crammed into cities to minimize the use of automobiles, greatly increases the vulnerability of people to pandemics. Is there any city in the US with a population density even approaching that of NYC?

John the Econ
April 2, 2020 3:01 pm

One of the most pleasing aspects of this age is the speed in which bad Progressive policy is exposed as transparently bad Progressive policy, and is forced to be withdrawn.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  John the Econ
April 2, 2020 3:10 pm

True, the down side to the speed is that poorly conceived policy is also promulgated at faster rate as well.

Joel O'Bryan
April 2, 2020 3:45 pm

Every Nanny-state Liberal, do-gooder should put this on a sign in front of them every time they come up with a new policy,
“It’s not what you don’t know that’s likely to get you in trouble. It’s what you think is true that ain’t.”

Herbert
April 2, 2020 3:49 pm

We never got to see the “Great Pacific Garbage Patch” despite the environmental myth.
See WUWT, “Are we really choking the ocean with plastic? Tracing the creation of an eco-myth” by Larry Kummer, December 24, 2015.

Joel Snider
April 2, 2020 4:09 pm

I seem to remember bringing up sanitation as an issue when they banned plastic bags in Oregon – a children’s initiative – pushed by the teachers.

Attempting to solve a fictional problem, they create a real one.

Again.

tom McQuin
April 2, 2020 4:33 pm

Do they have stocks of single use plastic bags ? What do you do until stocks arrive from China? Is this an april fools joke?

Mad Mac
April 2, 2020 4:35 pm

I knew a woman who was employed in the plastic bag industry in California. At the time of the ban she and many others were suddenly out of a job. This fact never entered the politicians minds as they wrote and enforced the legislation.

mario lento
Reply to  Mad Mac
April 2, 2020 4:39 pm

“This fact never entered the politicians minds as they wrote and enforced the legislation.”
You are too kind.

Yes it did enter their minds. They did not care. Think about the Green New Deal, same thing just like this shut down, and they will still want to cram it down into law.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  mario lento
April 2, 2020 5:16 pm

Yep, Biden pretends coal miners will be re-trained as coders.

mario lento
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
April 2, 2020 5:53 pm

Serious question: Does Joe Biden’s mind even matter? Sarc/off

LdB
Reply to  mario lento
April 2, 2020 7:41 pm

What you don’t watch his home video presentations … how dare you.

mario lento
Reply to  LdB
April 2, 2020 9:50 pm

I do… and they are not funny. They are sad. He’s demented. It appears like he believes he has something to say, but does not realize what lines to say and what they mean. It’s obvious he’s got some kind of dementia, but that is not why I think he would be a bad president.

Monster
Reply to  mario lento
April 2, 2020 5:56 pm

They don’t care about the 6M people now out of work either.

mario lento
Reply to  Monster
April 2, 2020 9:45 pm

Sadly: I agree, not only do they not care, they want it to be bad and they want to hang it around Trump’s head. The level of evil is so obvious, that I have a hard time thinking kindly of the people who vote for this tripe.

Patrick
April 2, 2020 4:37 pm

Okay folks, s#$@ just got real!

If San Francisco is chucking its neo-Malthusian hobby horse to the side, things really are grim!

ddpalmer
April 2, 2020 4:58 pm

And SF stores are supposed to suddenly be able to provide thousands of plastic/paper bags that until now were forbidden?

Monster
Reply to  ddpalmer
April 2, 2020 5:58 pm

Stop talking sense!

Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 5:36 pm

London Breed, is that a real name?

LdB
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 7:44 pm
DonM
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 8:09 pm

Its where the original London Broil came from. They didn’t try to protect it like ‘swiss’ cheese and ‘champagne’, so the true Breed died out, went extinct a hundred & fifty years ago. (zinc is the 2nd most abundant metal in the body too; as such we aren’t zinc deprived).

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  DonM
April 4, 2020 10:29 am

2nd most abundant transition metal.
2nd most abundant trace metal.
Present in over 300 enzymes, bound by over 3000 proteins, required in over 1000 transcription factors.
Total amount in a human 2 to 4 grams.
Toxic in excessive concentrations.
Potent neurotoxin if zinc homeostasis is not tightly msintained.
Zinc deficiency depresses immunity.
Excess zinc does so even more.
But there are for the most part only two ways people get poisoned by zinc: Occupational exposure, and misuse of suppliments.
Like thinking if something is good, more must always be better.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2872358/

Clay Sanborn
April 2, 2020 5:38 pm

Thank God, of the Bible, for the fossil oils and gas that He put in the earth for us to use for plastics, fuel for oh so many things – especially relieving our work burden, and saving lives. Too bad the lefty lefts don’t understand Free Enterprise and Market Forces. What do they fall back on to save them when the hell they created breaks loose? Ans: Free Enterprise and Market Forces.

April 2, 2020 5:54 pm

Next, no one will be allowed to wear the same clothes more than once. Reusable clothing will now become mandatory.

Then, you cannot use the same house more than once, and so, … you guessed it, … reusable housing will become mandatory. Wow, that’ll take a lot of energy, won’t it? Good to know we can fall back on fossil fuel.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
April 2, 2020 8:46 pm

You need to put a snark tag on it. If you don’t you truly are an idiot. Yes some people should throw their cloths away, those are the same people that don’t wash themselves, their cloths and their reusable shopping bags(the problem with the reusable bags is washing them uses more energy that a new plastic bags take to produce, so nothing is saved and much is to lose.) As to the unwashed I was once married to one such person, the mental health system does not help you or even give tools to get such a person help. So we got divorced and she is living on the public dollar, not helping anyone most of all herself(you would not want her with six feet of you long before the covid-19.) Yet the left thinks you have a right to be crazy and defecate on the streets as if than not a public health problem.

icisil
April 2, 2020 5:59 pm

Interesting treatment using soluable recombinant human ACE2 as a decoy for the coronavirus to attach to instead of ACE2 on lung cells .

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-drug-research-second-phase-of-apno1-clinical-trial-for-treatment-of-covid-19-starts-in-europe

icisil
April 2, 2020 6:09 pm

Dumping milk because the supply chain is broken. Woe unto those responsible for this travesty.

https://twitter.com/NYFarmer/status/1245502657529290754

Mark Luhman
Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 8:36 pm

I have cousins who were dairy farmer that happened almost all winters, if the truck cannot pick it up because of weather(blizzard) cow don’t quit producing milk, storage is limited.

J Mac
Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 8:40 pm

No. This not a ‘supply chain’ problem. It is a market demand problem.
Wisconsin farmers forced to dump milk as coronavirus slams a fragile dairy economy
About 7 o’clock Tuesday night, Golden E Dairy got the call that any dairy farmer would dread. They were being asked to dump 25,000 gallons of fresh milk a day because there was no place for it to go as the marketplace for dairy products has been gutted by the closure of restaurants, schools, hotels and food-service businesses.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/2020/04/01/coronavirus-forces-dairy-farmers-dump-milk-wisconsin-covid-19/5108609002/

Demand – not supply chain.

Derg
Reply to  J Mac
April 3, 2020 4:49 am

Almond “milk”

DonM
Reply to  Derg
April 3, 2020 9:34 am

how many almonds are in a glass of almond milk?

J Mac
Reply to  Derg
April 3, 2020 2:02 pm

Nut milking…. as believable as man made climate change!
https://youtu.be/JJCTIPWPNtw

April 2, 2020 6:42 pm

They won’t have any bags – you will have to wheel the shopping cart to your car and transfer each item individually into your car … LOL

JPP

Jeffery P
April 2, 2020 7:33 pm

Same here, but it’s the supermarkets, not the city. Lake Ozark/Osage Beach Missouri

soldier
April 2, 2020 11:05 pm

Karma is a bitch!

Patrick MJD
April 3, 2020 12:26 am

If you are going to Fat Stan’s Disco be sure to wear single use plastic bags in your hair…

Jeffery P
April 3, 2020 4:19 am

Any law, regulation or public policy that is temporarily suspended during this pandemic should be permanently revoked.

Just Jenn
Reply to  Jeffery P
April 3, 2020 5:29 am

Careful, you’ll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater with that one.

Gunga Din
April 3, 2020 7:43 am

No plastic bags.
No reusable bags.
That leaves paper bags. (Made from trees.)
What’s a tree-hugger to use?

DonM
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 3, 2020 9:36 am

paper bags made from free-range trees is the common sense compromise/solution.

mario lento
Reply to  DonM
April 3, 2020 9:44 am

Tree huggers can rejoice, but they won’t, in the use of tree farms. We use tree’s efficient regenerative capabilities to suck evil CO2 out of the air, then cut them down and make things with them that get buried after serving mankind or stay unburned for use in furniture or buildings, which has the effect of carbon sequestration —>everybody happy happy happy.

But NOOOO…

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  DonM
April 4, 2020 10:47 am

How about if we only use trees that are about to get destroyed by forest fires?

April 3, 2020 8:43 am

Sir David King was the genius behind Britain’s incredibly stupid climate policy as put into law in 2008 . In particular he got the Government to give tax incentives to promote the sale of diesels.
https://www.thegwpf.com/ex-chief-scientist-our-advice-to-govt-on-preventing-global-warming-was-wrong/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Act_2008
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uk-to-ban-new-gas-vehicles-diesel-cars-by-2035-2020-02-04
The British academic science establishment have been strongly supportive of King and the UK Climate act .
Nature , Nature Climate change and the BBC have been among the worlds chief promotors of King type misinformation for the last 25 years.

MIKE MCHENRY
April 3, 2020 9:53 am

Plastic bags are non toxic and virtually inert. They pose no threat to the environment. Have excellent potential as fuel for trash to energy. I live in suburban new jersey and don’t see them strew about, not even in the supermarket lot. Because a few people are pigs we all get penalized? that sounds juvenile. Plastic bags have a handle and are much easier to carry than paper. This is all about virtue signally and fake environmentalism caving to the greenie weenies.

Olen
April 3, 2020 3:16 pm

Imagine being touched by a reusable bag and liberals only now in a pandemic realizing the bags are filthy and carry germs.

All to eliminate cheap and sanitary disposable bags. That people like.

Jim
April 3, 2020 5:58 pm

Reusable bags are just yet another example of the failure of central planning to address environmental problems (and energy). In the days of razor thin disposable bags, my shopping bags ALWAYS got reuse as dog poop bags, kitty littler bags, and waste basket liners. I still have the same needs. Ergo I now use heavy reusable bags for dog poop, kitty litter, and waste basket liners. This is an unintended consequence of central planning. It wasn’t supposed to work this way. I was supposed to reuse my shopping bags at the supermarket and find some other way (what way?) for alternative uses like dog poop, kitty litter, and wastebasket liners. OK there are commercial waste basket liners. But I have to buy them and I have already paid (a nominal amount) for the reusable shopping bag …

I am thinking about, since we are all confined to our homes, writing and submitting a series of articles on the futility of central planning when it comes to energy and the environment. I would start with the CFL debacle and the triumph of the LED. My conversion to LED had less to do with inconsequential energy efficiency and more to do with the 10+ year expected life. I figured I have 130+ bulbs in my home. Incandescents last about a year, so I was changing a bulb about every 3 days. I had to keep a cabinet in the laundry room filled with replacement bulbs at all times. At last I am free. But the government was in bed with CFL manufacturers at the time to push the 5 year CFL bulb and I wanted the 10 year LED bulb. It was quite a journey. Government bureaucrats have less wisdom than the average Joe. Hence central planning always fails.

zack
April 3, 2020 10:04 pm

Aurthor lazily offers link to a 20 page city ordinance as evidence in support of calling out hippocratical ironic stupitude. Dude(tte), how about narrowing to a page, paragraph, or section that supports your assertion?

Reusing bags is a conservative, in its most basic understanding, idea. Waste not, want not. Is anyone really put out by the idea that that shopper six feet away and immediately in front of you is going to infect you with their NPR tote bag? What if it’s a reused paper bag? Are NRA tote bags ok? Get a grip.

10 pennies per paper bag in CA. Governments of all kinds are going to suffer massive shortfalls in tax revenue. This order, if true, isn’t evidence of enviro hypocrisy, its pragmatism.

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