Fight the Virus with Sunshine

Guest post by Jim Steele

I want to encourage people to go outside and get some sunshine. If walks in the park are outlawed, then limited sunbathing in your back yard, or apartment roof tops would help. I don’t give medical advice, but this is a no-brainer, no-regrets suggestion.

Scientists have long investigated why the flu season dramatically ends in the warmer months. One key factor is our immune systems improve when sun shining on our skin produces the all-important Vitamin D. It is a form of vitamin D that is more effective than what is added to our milk.

Researchers reported, “vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the ‘oxidative burst’ potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections.

If we do not get enough sunshine, sheltering in place just might have the unintended consequence of prolonging the COVID 19 epidemic. As the elderly become less mobile and spend less time outside, a vitamin D deficiency would only amplify their vulnerability.

April is the time flu infections dramatically fall. Of course, the COVID 19 virus differs from influenza, but our immune system’s ability to fight all viruses is key. Maybe a little April sunshine will minimize the COVID 19 spread and flatten the curve.


Jim Steele is Director emeritus of San Francisco State’s Sierra Nevada Field Campus and authored Landscapes and Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism


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April 2, 2020 2:29 am

Far more sunshine and Covid19 in Italy or Spain than in Denmark, Sweden or Norway.

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 2:38 am

Scandinavians apparently eat a lot of fish, which can be a good source of vitamin D depending on the type.

Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 4:17 am

Winter flu is different, vitamin D or not still millions get infected. After 2-3 months a ‘herd immunity’ is built up greatly helped by vaccination and lower infection potency.
We should not raise hopes that a bit of sunshine will make much difference, so it is important to employ the more reliable methods of protection.

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 4:53 am

Vuk, it is not different. Vitamin D can actually prevent you to get flu. I’m practicing it for many years. 30 minutes of sunshine a week on naked body even when there is freezing can prevent you from flu. I have 3 kids and they don’t know what flu is same as me.

Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 5:31 am

glucose competes with vitamin C absorption from blood into cells.

High serum glucose is not good. Not good news for dietary habits of many in US.

Also compromises antibody detection of antigen activity.

Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 10:02 am

UK’s update is here

Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 10:53 am

Hey Greg … can we please drop the “US is fat and unhealthy” nonsense … to the exclusion of all other nations? The WHO reports that 8.1% of the US population has diabetes … but it’s 8.3% for Europe. The US is no MORE unhealthy as anywhere else in the world. This is just another urban myth which gets repeated as if true. It isn’t. Are there grotesquely, morbidly, overweight people in the US? Have you seen the “select” people of WalMart videos? Ah, hahaha ha ha … I’ve laughed at those too. But that’s not the reality for ALL the people of WalMart. Intelligent people know that … and also know that Americans are NOT less healthy than any other nation

Dr Deanster
Reply to  Peter
April 3, 2020 7:17 am

I’ve practiced this for years as well. I won’t say it “prevents” you from getting flu, but you will probably have few if any symptoms. It really is the best “vaccination” you can get as you are infected with the exact strain going around. It’s noted that in Vit D deficient people, the NNT is better for Vit D supplementation than it is for the Flu Shot. There is less benefit for people who are not deficient, but then, they rarely get sick.

For those taking supplement, you have to start in September, taking 2000-4000 units per day. It’s a fat soluble vitamin, so you can’t get an immediate effect out of it unless you do a very high injection (50K units under doc supervision). Research shows that the daily regimen for some reason works better than a weekly or monthly regimen.

I would like to see a report in the Vitamin D status of all the people who been hospitalized with COVID19. I’d be willing to bet there is an association.

Reply to  Peter
April 3, 2020 10:12 am

You are seriously presenting that anecdote as evidence are you? This is ostensibly a science blog, not Facebook.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Peter
April 4, 2020 10:52 am

If you do not know what it is, how can you be so sure you never get it?

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 5:13 am

For me I went to get my vitamin D shot the minute I landed in Seoul. Nothing new for me, I get one every 3 months. But personally I would avoid giving any folks here medical advice and suggesting anything. They might think going out in the sun or boosting Vitamin D levels was going to make them safe.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 2, 2020 6:45 am

As I know Steven, Vitamin D supplies lasts for around 2 weeks max. You can see it exactly when second week of bad weather passes, it is always start of flu spread.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 2, 2020 7:55 am

Agree with Steven Mosher

William Astley
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 2, 2020 8:50 am

I researched the Vitamin D question in detail a few years ago.

Vitamin D is a proto hormone, so it really is not a ‘vitamin’ as there are more than a hundred microbiological processes in the body that require it. That is why our bodies make it vitamin D when our bare skin is exposed to sunlight.

As we get older, our bodies ability to produce Vitamin D is reduced.

Increasing the blood level of activated vitamin D (Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25-OH D) from 20 ng/ml to 40 ng/ml was been shown to reduce the incidence of flu by 50%.

It also reduces the incidence of breast cancer, prostate cancer, other cancers, and colds. Prostate cancer is reduced by more than 50%.

The entire population of all most all developed countries are vitamin D deficient. It is not possible in the winter months in Northern countries to produce sufficient vitamin D by sunlight exposure.

In the summer months 30 minutes exposure provided an increase in but did not reach the optimum level. Longer exposure to sun did not change the blood serum level appreciably.

The only people who had the optimum blood serum level (25-OH D) were people who worked outside and the people who took Vitamin D supplements. It is not possible by food selection to get to the optimum Vitamin D level.

Other studies have shown the optimum serum level (25-OH-D) in the blood is 50 ng/ml. There is no agreement as to an upper limit.

We spend our research dollars on cancer treatment not presentation.

This is a video that was produced by a Public Health advocacy group, Grass Roots, that summaries the research about key practical health problems and runs seminars to enable the researchers to present the new research.

The information (graphs from papers) starts 7:38 minutes.

There are other diseases that could also be prevented by getting the population to the optimum vitamin D level.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 3, 2020 6:06 am

Might not make them safe, could help a bit, unlikely to expose them to nasties and will certainly make them happier

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 5:28 am

… this is a no-brainer, no-regrets suggestion.

Jim is right. People should get some sunshine every day. Even if sunshine doesn’t prevent or cure coronavirus, it leaves you in better condition to fight the disease.

Reply to  commieBob
April 2, 2020 7:55 am

“people should get some sunshine every day.”
Not sure how I am going to manage that in North Norway with three months of darkness per year.

Reply to  commieBob
April 2, 2020 9:12 am

MarieC April 2, 2020 at 7:55 am

I take vitamin D. Also, there is evidence that the correct artificial light has health benefits, for example:

Doctors throughout Europe and North America began promoting whole-body sun-bathing to help prevent rickets. It was also recognized that wintertime sunlight in the temperate zone was too feeble to prevent rickets. For this reason, many children were exposed to UVR from a mercury or carbon arc lamp for one hour three times a week, which proved to be an effective preventive measure and treatment. link

Bill Parsons
Reply to  commieBob
April 3, 2020 10:43 am


“people should get some sunshine every day.”
Not sure how I am going to manage that in North Norway with three months of darkness per year.


Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 9:15 am

The most reliable method of protection is a healthy immune system.

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 12:56 pm

And bizarrely, nobody was ever able to prove the flu vaccine is useful…

Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 3:19 pm

Are you so f*cking inept you can’t go and FIND anything historical on the efficacy of flu vaccines?

Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 8:29 pm

April 2, 2020 at 3:19 pm

Can you explain why we still after so many decades and so much straggle waste of time and resources and all this over grown vaccine industry there,
we still do not have and will never have a working vaccine for HIV AIDS?

Any freaking fracking idea why that is?
A vaccine in the end of the day is a vaccine either in the case of AIDS or cold flu!

Maybe you should ask Dr. Fauci, the vaccine guy.

A clue there maybe;
the vaccine antigen can not compete with the natural one.

HIV has no competition what so ever in nature….
while in the other hand, huge competition in nature among cold flu viruses…
which gives a vaccine there some grounds for inflated and fake credit… in appearance.

A working vaccine has benefits only in cases prior to infection from the matching virus,
where the rest above it happens to be only a hyperbole there.
(provided that it is not administered in a wrong moment)

Again the dummy antigen of the vaccine can not compete with the natural antigen, as it wears off quite much faster then the natural one…
especially when considering a huge pot of competition of natural antigens, viruses… there.
When infected by a virus almost in all cases, one remains infected for life.
A vaccine antigen can not stop an infection,
only in “lucky” occasions can temporarily block it,
as the block is not 100% and it wears off quite quickly.

My point here to you… whatever you have read is not full proof, as happens to be biased by the factor of interest there.

Something like;
“we do not want to raise the status to a pandemic, as that means we can not control it,
and therefor have no any much impact on it by whatever means in consideration,
but hey, by the way, still we will firmly and forcefully advice for the implementation of a Global draconian social – economical isolation even after the status raised at
global pandemic.”

Isn’t that some thing hilarious!


Reply to  whiten
April 3, 2020 5:10 am

whiten, are you equally inept at doing research as badguy is?

It would seem so. You read too much ‘popular press’, whiten. Suggest a change in diet …

Your replies need to be addressed to badguy. You two are made for each other. Acting together, you can bring about “Idiocracy” that much faster.

Reply to  niceguy
April 3, 2020 10:13 am

April 3, 2020 at 5:10 am

Acting together, you can bring about “Idiocracy” that much faster.
The idiocracy rule:

The only working solution always is – electrolytes.

Dude you ok?
Don’t need to be upset and going over thermal there.
If you do not get it, is still ok… not fault of anyone, including u, just nature…

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 6:58 pm

April 2, 2020 at 4:17 am

Winter flu, when striking, among other things, subjects the body and it’s metabolism to extra load or even over load.
Sunshine is a free extra energy, which helps the body and metabolism in such a case,
provided that the ambient temperature not low or too low…
much better in the consideration of respiration of energy and also air than closed environments… little but still extra support to metabolism… soothing.


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April 2, 2020 5:26 am


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April 2, 2020 5:56 am


Reply to  Robertvd
April 2, 2020 6:56 am

Good point, viruses are killed by temperature over 40C/102F. In sauna your skin is sometimes hotter than this so viruses in blood through skin have hard time.
Can be mimicked by hot bath.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 7:40 am

Interesting, after reading Willis’ article on Japan and Korea having low infection and mortality rates, I wondered if their level of seafood consumption had anything to do with it aside from the masks.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Robert W. Turner
April 2, 2020 2:46 pm

One thing is certain: anyone who eats oysters regularly has all the zinc needed for a healthy immune system. Three ounces of oysters provide roughly seven times the minimum daily requirement of zinc. It’s the best source of any food. I’ve upped my intake for this virus.

I have also taken to drinking tonic water, for the quinine. At 83 ppm, it takes 3 liters to get a therapeutic dose. The stuff I drink is sugar-free, so at least that isn’t a problem.

Spring has arrived in Northern Virginia, and I spend as much time in the sun as I can- just for the vitamin D. Ten years ago, I spent an inordinate amount of time indoor, and developed such severe osteoarthritis that I had to have both knees replaced. Never again will I ignore the vitamin D deficiency warnings from my doctor.

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 2:42 am

Also, sunshine doesn’t do you any good if you slather on sunscreen, and Italians and Spaniards have more melanin, which reduces vitamin D production in skin.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 3:35 am

Explain Africa?

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 3:41 am

Virulency of Covid-19 is humidity related. The lower humidity the higher spread. It looks like dry air is making lungs more susceptible to virus entering. Probably mucus layer is protecting lungs from virus, in dry air this layer is thinner.

Foley Hund
Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 7:58 am

UV is a method of treating drinking water supplies. It destroys microbes more efficiently than free chlorine. So does hydrogen per oxide. Maybe higher concentrations of ozone help. Maybe folks need to add UV lights to their personal space/home/office et cetera. Maybe…. 🙂

Reply to  Foley Hund
April 2, 2020 8:09 am

The advantages of UV as a sterilizing agent have been known for some time. The French had “sun lamps” and required their use for their soldiers in the Maginot line. Their use was mandatory on US Subs during WW II.

james fosser
Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 2:04 pm

I seems a no-brainer that a mucus layer would keep covid-19 at bay. As a biotechnologist with COPD and constant hawking up gunge throughout the day, I really should get down to the Sydney covid-19 epicentre and mingle with the partying backpackers to see how I turn out (not for the drugs and booze but strictly for science)

Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 3:46 pm

That does not explain what is happening in Phoenix AZ, the 5th largest Metroplex in the US. It had the first case in Arizona way back in late Jan. Then nothing until beginning of march. While it has slowly ramped up over the month it is nothing like the other hard hit areas. Did I say Phoenix is low desert so Humidity does not get up the levels recommended until during the summer monsoon season.

Reply to  chemman
April 2, 2020 11:57 pm

There is another factor, UV of sunlight. High UV is destroying virus in the air. Final speed of spread is function of humidity and sunlight UV level. Humid weather wit lots of sunshine is the best.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 1:53 pm

Patrick MJD,

Could be that darker pigmentation of the skin means that vitamin D is not as quickly made, but on the plus side, chloroquine is more easily available on the African continent than in most Westernized countries.

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 3:38 am

Northern nations developed ways to cope with D deficiency, lots of fish fat which is source of D Vitamin.
Cloth in front of mouth in cold weather. More solitary way of life.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 4:18 am

Paper Bag over head with tears for eyes and mouth = even more avoidance by public if that’s what you’re seeking. Like the grand days of the British Empire – splendid isolation.

Isn’t there some benefit in the extra UV outdoors in strong sunshine?

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 5:45 am

Rickets is making a comeback in the UK, although it never really went away. There’s no reason to suppose that there isn’t a large segment of the adult population with a significant vitamin D deficiency. A poor summer for sunshine followed by a winter working daylight hours indoors and it can’t be anything else.

Isn’t there a theory that the high incidence of Hemochromatosis inIreland and those of Irish descent caused by a lack of sunshine? Seem to remember reading that somewhere

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
April 2, 2020 8:57 am

I recall another known cause of rickets was worried parents slathering the sun block on themselves and their children.

Reply to  Peter
April 2, 2020 9:57 am

Cod liver is a good source, I remember to got it as child.

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 4:11 am

There are many factors which lead to strong and weak immune systems, whether someone is healthy or unhealthy. Read Prof J ioannidis

Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg,

Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi, Facharzt für Mikrobiologie und Infektionsepidemiolgie, leitete 22 Jahre das Institut für Medizinische Mikrobiologie und Hygiene der Universität Mainz.. Der ganze Brief im Wortlaut mit den Fragen, Hintergründen und Referenzen kann hier eingesehen werden:

Perspectives on the Pandemic: Dealing with Coronavirus, a fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data. Dr John P.A. Ioannidis is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University. See his thoughts in writing here:

John Ioannidis – Why most clinical research is not useful
8 features of research to show it is useful

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 5:30 am
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 6:11 am

Thursday’s Covid-19 update here:

Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 6:50 am

Actually Milan and northern Italy is one of sunniest places in Europe thanks to Alps rain/clouds shadow.

Foley Hund
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 7:11 am

Italy has imported a high concentration of Chinese doing textile work. Read.

old white guy
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 7:38 am

Yet Florida just told people to stay in.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  old white guy
April 2, 2020 7:04 pm

No, they said stay home. Outside activities such as yard work, jogging/running/walking, walking pets and other non group activities are encouraged.
Also that only applies to “non-essential” people. Examining the list of “essential” businesses reveals that about 85-90% of businesses are considered “essential” so the restriction does not apply to them or the employees.

Doug from America
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 8:21 pm

But in both locations, there isn’t enough sunlight in the winter to produce vitamin-D at the necessary levels.

The process needs UV-B rays and above 35 degrees north, the sun is too low in the sky, according to what I have read.

Madrid and Milan have latitudes in the 40, which puts them around the latitude of New York. Due to distorted maps, people don’t realize how far north Europe really is.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Vuk
April 3, 2020 10:03 am

The EU as a whole got a head start to the US of about 15 days with respect to first reported death (see France vs US on Willis’s tab). Here’s a comparison as of about an hour ago using data from (h/t to Willis):

EU cases ID’d: 468,817
UK cases ID’d: 38,168
US cases ID’d: 245,422

EU deaths: 35,419
UK deaths: 3,605
US deaths: 6,099

The numbers look better for the US now but time will tell if that holds true. Many factors at play here.

Reply to  Vuk
April 3, 2020 9:18 pm

Italy or Sweden, they are all deficient in Vitamin D in February/March. Btw. in terms of latitude, even Spain and Italy are pretty far north, as compared to the USA.

Anyhow, Vitamin D is not the only aspect on sunshine and viruses. Higher temperatures mean that aerosols dry up much faster than when it is cold, thus killing off the major transmission vector. UV light on the other side has a strong sterlizing effect, since most “bugs” just don’t have any sun screen.

Sars 1, as opposed to the current Sars 2 pandemic, died off in late spring/early summer of 2003. This is not going to happen this time, since Sars 2 has spread way too far. Yet it the summer will provide desperately needed relief and will buy some time.

April 2, 2020 2:41 am

Captain Cook who led three world expeditions in the late 1700’s would demand all crew of the Endeavour to go above deck for 20 mins per day, every day…
His voyages never suffered the dreaded ‘sailor’s disease” of scurvy….

Reply to  Technetium99
April 2, 2020 3:05 am

Scurvy is caused by a deficiency of vitamin C. Captain Cook, and other British seafarers, kept barrels of apples and limes on board to give to the sailors throughout the journey. That is why the Australians call the British “poms” (from pomme, french for Apple) and Americans call us “limeys”.

As well as helping with the immune system, Vitamin D is also necessary for the absorption of Calcium into the body. The really acute form of Vitamin D deficiency causes “rickets” or deformation of the bones caused by a lack of calcium.

Reply to  TLM
April 2, 2020 5:19 am

Limeys is correct , don’t get carried away with extrapolating to other fruits which were not carried on ships and other languages little know in 19th c. Australia

non servator
Reply to  TLM
April 2, 2020 6:48 am

How did Vilhjalmur Stefansson avoid scurvy without those crucial citrus fruits, eating nothing but meat? It’s all so puzzling and mysterious!

Reply to  non servator
April 2, 2020 1:22 pm

Was he eating whale skin and blubber? These are also good sources of vitamin C and D.

Brett Keane
Reply to  TLM
April 2, 2020 7:28 pm

TLM: Pomegranate – RED fruit – Pommy – Red-faced from unaccustomed sunlight ie sunburn……..also POME or Prisoner Of Mother England, an aussie joke more or less.
Brett , a Kiwi

Reply to  Technetium99
April 2, 2020 5:38 am

Nothing to do with scurvy, dipstick. Why do think Brits. are called Limeys?

Reply to  Technetium99
April 3, 2020 10:21 pm

Otherwise they would have sat about playing cards in the engine room.

April 2, 2020 2:51 am

Studies have proved the benefit of Vitamin D in fighting infections, take vitamin D supplements, even if you think you are getting enough from sunshine or diet, especially if you have non-white skin and live at a mid to high latitude.

Political correctness forbids racial aspects of disease stats, but a youngish hospital consultant and a boy in the UK who have died were both dark skinned, making them prone to vitamin D deficiency.

Reply to  climanrecon
April 2, 2020 5:07 am

at least 2 capsules a day, for RA I was given a special dry capsule form @20k iu once a week
made me laugh cos my chemist had a wobbly when I said I took 3k units a few days a week
the lack of sun is why oldies in homes/hospitals are crook n depressed.

Reply to  climanrecon
April 2, 2020 6:21 am

It’s long been recognized that girls of south asian descent in the UK were abnormally subject to rickets largely due to their traditional dress rules causing them to so covered up that they received very little sun.

Increasingly irritable Bill.
April 2, 2020 2:54 am

In Italy and Spain they all go around kissing each other, and Sweden is about to get worse. Italy and Spain have been enjoying festivals and man hating marches egged on by Trump hating loony leftist dullards who in those countries pass for Governments.
Have read a couple of stories stating Chinese lab workers etc have been caught a few times bringing vials of virus into America and elsewhere over the last year or so, does anyone know more about this?

Reply to  Increasingly irritable Bill.
April 2, 2020 7:34 am

“Have read a couple of stories stating Chinese lab workers etc have been caught a few times bringing vials of virus into America and elsewhere over the last year or so, does anyone know more about this?”
Very true. There are some news outlets that have posted arrests recently of such activity. Sorry I don’t have the links.

J Mac
Reply to  Increasingly irritable Bill.
April 2, 2020 10:12 am

Border Patrol Stopped a Chinese Biologist Carrying Viable SARS, MERS Viruses at Detroit Airport in 2018
Excerpts from the FBI Tactical Intelligence Report here:

Two other incidences of Chinese nationals carrying viral pathogens into the USA, undeclared in their personal carry-on luggage are also referenced.

April 2, 2020 2:54 am

Solar UV radiation destroys and crashes the virus. In Italy and Spain, cold lows operate this spring, even with snowfall.
If someone already has shortness of breath, dry air will exacerbate the symptoms of the disease.

Reply to  ren
April 2, 2020 9:13 am

Methinks that it’s not just the sunlight, but the dofting of clothing in the Spring/Summer that give viruses few places to hide from the sunlight.

John McCabe
April 2, 2020 3:00 am

This is why the UK government advice allows for, and encourages, going out for one form of exercise per day, walk, run or cycle, as long as you maintain the social distancing rules. We’ll, that, and the fact they don’t want to end up with another crisis in the NHS because everyone has turned into an lardarse.

Steve Case
April 2, 2020 3:24 am

And Vicks Vapo Rub cures toe nail fungus.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Steve Case
April 2, 2020 6:41 am

And clear nail polish will kill a plantar wart. (personal experience)

Dudley Horscroft
April 2, 2020 3:31 am

Is “lardarse” a neologism or a ‘nonce’ word’ or normal English?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
April 2, 2020 4:09 am

The English vernacular is rich and varied. Always a joy to sample.

Paul C
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
April 2, 2020 4:41 am

Lard-arse (or lard-ass in American) is simply a derogatory term for fat, implying lazy, sat on one’s derriere all day, and implys constantly eating junk food. The hyphen being optional in both versions of english. Certainly in common use on the English side of the pond. The word nonce has starkly different meanings in its common usage on either side of the Atlantic!

Reply to  Paul C
April 2, 2020 5:40 am

AKA land whale.

muppets are us
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
April 2, 2020 4:56 am

Normal English, Lard is a fat used for frying chips etc so a Lardarse is obese from eating lots of fried food. I find lard very bland and prefer Beef Dripping for frying chips and battered fish.

Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
April 3, 2020 3:31 am

I first read of “lard arse” when it was used by then Italian PM Silvio Berlesconi to refer quite ungallantly to Angela Merkel

April 2, 2020 3:38 am

That and fresh air apparently helped with treating those who caught the Spanish Flu

Reply to  Analitik
April 2, 2020 12:03 pm

Photo from Boston at

Massachusetts played a big part in the Spanish Flu.

Patrick MJD
April 2, 2020 3:38 am

As always it’s other “cultures”, not the “originating” “culture”. No we can’t point the finger.

April 2, 2020 3:44 am

Especially important that people with darker skin get out in the sun for a longer time. Darker skin folks do not produce as much vitamin d as lighter skin folks if both exposed to same amount of sunshine.

In fact one reason proposed for evolution causing white skin in northern climates is increased vitamin D from the sun.

Reply to  Stevek
April 2, 2020 9:44 am

That makes vitamin D racist and privileged. the sun also.

/obvious sarcasm

Doug Huffman
April 2, 2020 3:55 am

I agree. Maintain a simple healthy lifestyle and practice moderation in all things – including moderation.

We were vacationing away from Wisconsin winter in Floriduh when the dumb mass hysteria pandemic pandemonium struck. We, 81 & 71, were enjoying the Withlacoochee SP bike trail and friends, exercise and sunshine. Then the bike trail was closed for “quarantine and self-isolation not achieving desired reductions” (in what was never said). So we decamped to northern Wisconsin and home and 14 days purdah – uggh! 9 to go.

The backyard thermometer made it to 50°F yesterday. If it is as warm today then I’ll get the tricycles (recumbent high tech) ready to ride, and start clearing the winter trash. Daffodils are shooting through the leaf mat, and the Snowdrops have blossomed, just waiting for sunshine and warmth.

Enjoy a healthy moderate conservative lifestyle.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Doug Huffman
April 2, 2020 4:12 am

Can we get some of that 50F over here. Liverpool just now is only 42. Brrrr.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
April 2, 2020 7:27 am

6.8F in calgary

Reply to  Pat from kerbob
April 2, 2020 9:15 am

So where is that Global Warming when you need it !

Bryan A
Reply to  Robertvd
April 2, 2020 12:27 pm

But the MODELS says it’s there…Don’t denigrate the models, their beatified

Bryan A
Reply to  Robertvd
April 2, 2020 12:31 pm

you could asperge them though

Reply to  Doug Huffman
April 2, 2020 5:33 am

North Carolina daffodils come up in mid-Jan and are long gone by now. We are having an early spring with tulips, azaleas and dogwoods blooming. Even the oaks have leaves and are a couple of weeks ahead of normal. The magnolias are putting out new growth and the wisteria’s purple flowers are hanging in the trees. April is generally a drier, bright blue sky month before the humidity kicks in. North Carolina in April is special. Fortunately we aren’t having it too bad here with CV and everyone still is walking the neighborhoods and greenways.

Spring is an awakening and a time for all things to get better.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  rbabcock
April 2, 2020 11:36 am

Daffodils and dogwood are in bloom in Dayton, Ohio.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Doug Huffman
April 2, 2020 11:35 am

Is it possible to be excessive about moderation? 🙂

Doug Huffman
April 2, 2020 4:01 am

Others here have indulged *culturism*. I am blessed to live in the purest Icelander-Scandinavian community in the US. No virus yet, nor testing, nor communal drinking. Soon though, very soon.

Eustace Cranch
April 2, 2020 4:14 am

“if walks in the park are outlawed”

Which would be blatantly unconstitutional. So much for the 1st amendment, huh? We’re already so far down the rabbit hole of rule-by-diktat it’s unbelievable.

Yeah, I know we’re in a pandemic. What scares me more, WAY more, is what our government will look like afterwards.

Reply to  Eustace Cranch
April 2, 2020 1:19 pm

Of the US constitution pretty much only the 3rd amendment has survived. Been that way for a while.

April 2, 2020 4:29 am

Thank you very much for this Mr Jim Steele. We are following your advice. Not easy for Thais to do because of the social value of light complexion but it is being done now. I spread your message far and wide but a question I could not answer is “who is jim steele?” I searched online but I keep getting this athlete guy.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  chaamjamal
April 2, 2020 5:15 am

Jim doesnt give medical advice, neither does WUWT

David Yaussy
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 2, 2020 6:32 am

Steve, keep in mind that many of us are capable of taking whatever is printed here, and elsewhere, and considering it all objectively, investigate it further if we’re interested, and come to informed conclusions. Jim’s excellent articles explaining his position on climate change and a variety of things are interesting and stimulating. I find them a great springboard for further reflection and research.

When you take the time to explain things in a coherent fashion I consider them in the same fashion. The drive-by snark, not so much.

Reply to  David Yaussy
April 2, 2020 7:56 am

Chaamjamal, It tells you who he is at the bottom of the post.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  David Yaussy
April 2, 2020 8:34 am

Mush thinks everyone is stupid, except him, of course.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
April 2, 2020 11:38 am

That is his major problem!

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 2, 2020 9:48 am

That’s correct. When you give health advice people don’t need medical advice.

April 2, 2020 4:37 am

With the Southern Hemisphere starting its yearly rotation away from direct-sunlight, a daily dose of Vitamin D3 as a supplement couldn’t hurt, unless it is ridiculously large. Studies show that 100IU as supplement generally amounts to 1ng/ml in the blood. 40-80ng/ml is generally recommended as a safe value.

It is possible to OD with ridiculous doses, so if people are taking large amounts as a supplement, they should get the levels tested.

Here’s some data:

April 2, 2020 4:51 am

Yesterday I contacted some of my “Congress-people.” We will all learn a lot from this current pandemic, perhaps to react properly and prepare beforehand. Opening parks and campgrounds is a good first step (in the South) to ending the flu season.

It is obvious we have not had time to think this out. The last 3 months have been almost perfect in Florida, although a little dry, lately. But ALL of us know the flu season ends when we can get out of doors and avoid stuffy confines. Our children during Spring Break >could< have been controlled if Spring Break had been cancelled (Close hotels/motels at beaches) and beaches patrolled but we didn't know. But we locals are being penalized by being restricted by stay-at-home.
Many of my friends (I'm 77) and I are complaining we cannot get into the parks to ride our bikes and hike, or lie on the beach and absorb UVC. Crazy!

Reply to  Enginer01
April 2, 2020 1:51 pm

“Many of my friends (I’m 77) and I are complaining we cannot get into the parks to ride our bikes and hike, or lie on the beach and absorb UVC.”
There is a fairly good reason for that at the moment. And a particularly pertinent one given Florida is over represented by elderly people.

Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2020 5:05 pm

There’s actually no good reason for it. Discouraging people from healthy activity is just idiotic. Let those who are scared stay home, and the others can get outside and stay active and healthy.

Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 7:09 pm

“Let those who are scared stay home, and the others can get outside and stay active and healthy.”
But Florida is allowing people to go out for essential services including exercise, so your point is not valid or accurate.

April 2, 2020 4:53 am

but what are “we” doing? MAKING CLOUDS!! the drippy rain made by The Chemtrail Project is probably going to prolong the virus season. What ar they trying to do – wash it away? STOP THE CHEMTRAILS !!! Stop the drippy rain!!! I am serious: STOP THE CHEMTRAIL PROGRAM.

Reply to  Michael Phillip Miller
April 2, 2020 5:41 am

Oh right “drippy rain” is latest proof of your delirium. When I grew up rain was always kinda “drippy” but that’s just a personal anecdote I guess.

Be warned that subject is one of the things that will get you rapidly banned from WUWT. Stupid misuse of ALLCAPS is also generally despised.

Worry about damage of the shut for a while, it’ll take you mind of it. Besides with vastly reduced air traffic they won’t be able to hide all special flights with hidden tanks, so they will have to lay off for a while !

If we are still allowed to fly in 6 mo , and we’re not all dead, maybe you can go back to staring at the sky.

April 2, 2020 5:08 am

New small study with control group show hydro-chloroquine to be effective for people mildly ill.

My opinion is it works if given early before disease progression. Seems to not be a cure but prevents patients going critical.

This article not paywalled as NYT took down paywall for covid 19 articles. Article is good, not biased.

John Tillman
Reply to  Stevek
April 2, 2020 5:27 am

But governors of NV and MI will punish you for prescribing it or filling such prescriptions.

Reply to  John Tillman
April 2, 2020 5:56 am

It’s FDA approved. I don’t think that would apply currently, although I get your point.

Terry Bixler
Reply to  John Tillman
April 2, 2020 6:58 am

So I wonder if those governors will take the responsibility for excess deaths caused by their activism.

Reply to  Terry Bixler
April 2, 2020 6:35 pm

One of the problems was that patients being treated for Lupus for which hydroxychloroquine is an approved medication were no longer able to get their prescriptions filled.

Reply to  John Tillman
April 2, 2020 8:07 am

Perhaps patients can sue governor over it. These states are handcuffing their doctors and interfering in the patient/doctor relationship. Though if I got sick I would immediately travel to an out of state doctor that is prescribing it. Would also add zinc supplement to treatment.

Reply to  John Tillman
April 2, 2020 9:05 am

I think MI guv just changed her mind.

J Mac
Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 10:52 am

It was more like a tire iron attitude adjustment, applied to MI governor Gretchen (half-)Whitmer by the outraged citizens of Michigan.

Robert Bissett
Reply to  Stevek
April 2, 2020 12:41 pm

Found this at an online pharmacy:
“IMPORTANT! Updated Dispensing Policy for Hydroxychloroquine:
In accordance with Boards of Pharmacies emergency regulations:

We are only dispensing Hydroxychloroquine to patients who have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis or Lupus.
Diagnosis code and date of diagnosis for RA or Lupus must be provided by your prescriber.
We are not dispensing for Malaria Prevention at this time.

Doctors prescribing out of scope of practice will be denied.

If you do not have prior diagnosis for RA or Lupus, your order will be cancelled.”

John TIllman
April 2, 2020 5:23 am

Please state why you imagine there is such a thing as a “chemtrail program”, what it is and who is doing it. Thanks.

Reply to  John TIllman
April 2, 2020 8:57 am

None of these ‘chem nuts’ figure the amount of infrastructure (piping and storage) tanks that would be required on airport property to ‘fill’ aircraft, and never mind the pipeline or tankers that supply ‘product’ to fill those tanks from factories or processing plants from off of airport property!

Rationality and reason is NOT their strong suit.

Reply to  _Jim
April 2, 2020 1:32 pm

Either that or they believe the chem trails are produced directly from some fuel additive burning, which goes against the theory it’s turned on and off during flight: you would have to turn reactors on and off.

Like with 9/11 truthers, they can’t even convince each others of anything factual (that the gov is lying is not a discrete fact).

Reply to  niceguy
April 2, 2020 2:39 pm

re: “or they believe the chem trails are produced directly from some fuel additive burning,”

And that’s bullsh*t on its face, of course. You don’t muck around with strange ‘crap’ injected into your jet turbine fuel and risk blade wearout or other destruction with strange chemical reactions occurring at the high temperature the blades work at. Today’s jet engine power turbine stages are hollow blades in which cooling air flows; don’t muck around with ‘injecting’ anything but fuel into a combustion chamber.

Chem nuts need to become educated on Jet turbine engine technology by the BEST jet engine tech on the block:

Start with “Turbojet Fuel System”:

John Tillman
April 2, 2020 5:24 am

For MPM, above.

John K. Sutherland
April 2, 2020 5:44 am

Put some UV lights (plant growing lights) in your house. I’ve had them for years. Leave them on overnight, over gloves, shoes, etc.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John K. Sutherland
April 2, 2020 11:43 am

Typical “plant growing lights” have a red-blue spectrum, and little if any long-wave UV. Short-wave UV, which stimulates Vit. D, requires a mercury-vapor light.

April 2, 2020 5:55 am

Africa? Compare the charts of Covid19 outbreaks with Malaria suppression looks amazingly obvious the Africans who often take Quinine based anti malarial drugs to prevent disease in mosquito areas have less chance of suffering from Covid19….have a look!

Reply to  Blair
April 2, 2020 6:56 am

Consider other factors, such as lack of wealth to support travel and testing, but most of all, consider demographics. For instance, the median ages in Congo, Mali and Ethiopia are under 20 years. In Mali, it’s 16 years.

Robert Wesley Hooper
April 2, 2020 6:38 am

Correlation doesn’t always mean causation…

Tom in Florida
April 2, 2020 6:46 am

I would think that along with sunshine, being outside exposes you to fresh, clean air. Unless you live in New York City .

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Scissor
April 2, 2020 7:39 am

Seems a little heavy to be from mainland China

Pure bloody mindedness I suppose

Reply to  Scissor
April 2, 2020 9:55 am

Just what we don’t need – little hygiene nazis not minding their own business harrassing someone who’s testing out keyboard feel and lid hinge force.

April 2, 2020 7:33 am

Unfortunately, pneumonia causes hypoxia. The respirator will help more than fresh air.

April 2, 2020 7:42 am

Maybe we should start thinking outside the box. This is going to be a disaster if we keep the economy completely closed. If someone is recovered we should issue them ID that allows them to go to theaters, restaurants, and public places.

If an locality has a hospital system that is not overwhelmed we could start running tests with low risk volunteers. By low risk I mean younger, not overweight, no type 2 diabetes, and their serum vitamin D levels are ideal. If their serum vitamin D is not ideal, give them a dose that makes them ideal. Then give them an extreme low dose of the Wuhan coronavirus…. We have a lot of empty hotels we can use to isolate these people while they go thru the illness. Or to isolate their aged relatives while the rest of the family goes thru the illness.

Of course everyone should wear masks in public.

Reply to  Lowell
April 2, 2020 8:10 am

Great ideas. One mistake made was not moving sick people to quarantine center right away. Instead they go back home to infect family members and who knows who else. Even once they find out they are positive they still infect family members especially in cramped quarters.

Reply to  Lowell
April 2, 2020 9:26 am

Actually, we should forget the ID, just get back to work and tell those who don’t like it to get the phuck over it; or not, I don’t care. It’s not worth destroying the world for a few whiney bitches.

Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 9:36 am

Geez. The treatment regiment using hydroxychloroquine et al is effective. We’re at less than flu-level deaths using it – WHY are we p*ssy footing around and NOT using this regimen and getting back to work?

Janice Moore
Reply to  icisil
April 2, 2020 2:26 pm

I cisil:

In slightly different terms (wry smile),

I agree completely.

At-risk (or just nervous) people can self-isolate. We do not need to sacrifice our Constitutional rights on the altar of Socialist Tyranny (i.e. “serfdom” – Friedrich Hayek).

LIBERTY – above all.

Otherwise, life is not worth living.

Is life so dear … as to be purchased at the price of … slavery?

Forbid it, Almighty God. …

Patrick Henry


This one, largely ignored, fact needs to be plastered on billboards across the land:


April 2, 2020 8:10 am

The virus will not stop until the population reaches herd immunity.

Foley Hund
April 2, 2020 8:20 am

I haven’t had the flu since 1996. What changed? I began taking mega doses of B complex and Zinc lozenges. And I worked in public settings. You’ll notice Dr. Zelenko used cholorquine, zinc, and Z-Pak. B-12 injections are used to treat viral infections.

Reply to  Foley Hund
April 2, 2020 10:12 am

He confessed that he doesn’t think the Z-Pak is necessary. Minus that his regimen is 220 mg of zinc sulfate per day for 5 days (at 23% elemental zinc in zinc sulfate, that’s 50.6 mg of zinc; a little above the recommended daily upper limit of 45 mg), and 200 mg of hydroxychloroquine twice a day for 5 days.

The next time I get flu-like symptoms I’m going to follow that regimen using quercetin or EGCG instead of hydroxychloroquine. Both are zinc ionophores, like hydroxychloroquine is, without the side effects or need for a prescription.

Zinc ionophore activity of quercetin and epigallocatechin-gallate: from Hepa 1-6 cells to a liposome model

April 2, 2020 8:25 am

Though I have never been one that is big on taking vitamin and mineral supplements, right now in these current conditions I am taking supplements of Zinc and vitamins C,D,E.

As many of you know I am an on-call truck driver. A troubleshooter that gets paid a salary to cover runs on short notice. During these unusual times I am still on-call but I am being required to take regular scheduled runs to justify my salary. I was scheduled to take a Nestles load to Robesonia, PA on Monday. The load departure was pushed back 24 hours then after that delayed until the 7th.

The only other loads they had that were not subject to cancelation were to South Eastern NY and this 64 year old man has no intention of going there right now. My wife’s state of health is not good and I’m not taking any chances of brining something back to her. If their backs get up against the wall and they really need me they know they can call and I’ll come running.

So I took the rest of the week as unpaid vacation That leaves the runs I would have done this week for regular drivers that get paid by the mile and should help with driver retention.

Janice Moore
Reply to  rah
April 2, 2020 2:29 pm

I cisil:

In slightly different terms (wry smile),

I agree completely.

At-risk (or just nervous) people can self-isolate. We do not need to sacrifice our Constitutional rights on the altar of Socialist Tyranny (i.e. “serfdom” – Friedrich Hayek).

LIBERTY – above all.

Otherwise, life is not worth living.

Is life so dear … as to be purchased at the price of … slavery?

Forbid it, Almighty God. …

Patrick Henry


This one, largely ignored, fact needs to be plastered on billboards across the land:


Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 2, 2020 2:56 pm

Lol. No, I am not doing my best to “plaster on billboards across the land.”

When I opened the comment box to talk to rah, it was filled with the text of my previous comment. Unsure whether it had been sent to the posting queue (where, on a bad day, a comment can wait over an hour to post) and not seeing it posted, I posted it (as it turned out) again.

(deleted all of my grumbling … grrr…. well, almost all)

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 2, 2020 6:59 pm

“We do not need to sacrifice our Constitutional rights on the altar of Socialist Tyranny”
So Janice, are you not a fan of Trump? Do you consider him to now be a socialist? Or will you excuse his this small hickup?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Simon
April 2, 2020 8:10 pm

Hellllloooo, Simon! 🙂

1) Yes. BIG fan.

2) No.


Trump is a pragmatic man. To get re-elected, he is doing what the shrieking, whipped-into-mass-hysteria (by advertising dollar-driven news media, mainly – and opportunists like Pelosi), unthinking and/or uninformed, public are demanding: DOOOOO SOMETHING!!

And, really, it would take superhuman faith and resolve to say, “I am just going to trust my omnipotent God that I will be re-elected. ‘Damn the torpedoes,’ I am going to limit liberty only to the extent the DATA directs.”

Bottom line:

TRUMP 2020!

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 2, 2020 9:19 pm

So I just want to be clear here….he is doing what he needs to do to be re-elected? Even though he may not believe it. He is doing it because the media want it and the uninformed public want it?
Have I got all that right?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 9:37 am

Well, hello, again, Simon 🙂

Essentially, yes.

Note: Trump refused to declare a national shutdown. A socialist would have.

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 11:30 am

thank you for replying. But I have a nagging question around what you are saying. If Trump essentially acted as he has to win the next election….

“To get re-elected, he is doing what the shrieking, whipped-into-mass-hysteria (by advertising dollar-driven news media, mainly – and opportunists like Pelosi), unthinking and/or uninformed, public are demanding”

…. hasn’t he (using your thinking) just thrown away trillions of dollars unnecessarily? And that would mean he has used his position to gain politically, instead of working in the best interest of the nation?

And sorry to bother you more, but didn’t Jesus say we should be looking after the sick. If we just went on about our business with this virus (didn’t shut down) Trump is saying up to 2.2 million elderly and sick could die. I don’t think Jesus would be endorsing that would he? Or do you think he would prefer people had the money?

Reply to  Simon
April 3, 2020 11:40 am

re: “And sorry to bother you more, but didn’t Jesus say we should be looking after the sick. If we just went on about our business with this virus (didn’t shut down) Trump is saying up to 2.2 million elderly and sick could die.”

Straight-line extrapolations (which NEVER work out); even now we find treatments that work (BUT government in this country turns out to be the PROBLEM) as well as a vaccine is now within sight. We ALL pull this wagon with our fruitful endeavors and efforts.

Simon, have you taken note of mankind’s progress since Jesus arrived on earth, instituting his church his church and all? I would propose that part of the theology involves “property rights”, a thing little talked about, that has allowed, in part, our progress.

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 11:48 am

Jim you have turned into Janice. The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

Reply to  Simon
April 3, 2020 12:09 pm

Simon, we all “pitch in” in place of each other at times – this too comes from the Gospel.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 12:18 pm

Simon! Hi! 🙂

1) It is in the best interests of the U.S. that Trump be re-elected.

2) What would Jesus have us do? It is touching that you care, however, that is a purely religious question. If you have a priest or a pastor, he or she is the one for you to ask. Each faith tradition will answer that differently.

While I am happy to tell you how I think “love your neighbor as yourself” should be applied, here, you will want to follow the dictates of your own faith tradition.

Are you, by the way, a believer in Jesus as Messiah/Savior? If not, I would think that what Jesus thinks about it is of no interest at all.

(and… in case you haven’t believed in Jesus… I am praying that you will…)

Take care, Simon.


Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 1:13 pm

Simon! Hi! 🙂

1) It is in the best interests of the U.S. that Trump be re-elected.

Mmmm using that logic you would be ok with him say…. pressuring a foreign alley to get dirt on a political opponent, because, as long as Trump as he is trying to get himself reelected, then it’s all fair?

2) What would Jesus have us do? It is touching that you care, however, that is a purely religious question. If you have a priest or a pastor, he or she is the one for you to ask. Each faith tradition will answer that differently.

I ask you because you are a religious person. I’m puzzled how you can condemn the old and sick to a early death with the justification it will make those left living better off.

“While I am happy to tell you how I think “love your neighbor as yourself” should be applied, here, you will want to follow the dictates of your own faith tradition.”

I am asking you how you think, so all good.

“Are you, by the way, a believer in Jesus as Messiah/Savior? If not, I would think that what Jesus thinks about it is of no interest at all.”

Brought up a catholic. Well versed in the teachings of Jesus and the logic behind what he taught. And, although I struggle to believe at times, I think the essence of Christianity(as long as it is not twisted) is a path worth following. And, is why I can’t understand how a Christian could let money be a choice over humanity, which is essentially the what seems to be happening at this time (or is at least the choice being put before us).

“(and… in case you haven’t believed in Jesus… I am praying that you will…)”

Thank you. All prayers welcome. A ventilator at this time more so though.

Take care Janice

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 6:38 pm

Dear Simon,

I realize you will still disagree with me, but, I want to make sure you know what I believe. I believe that self-isolation can protect the medically vulnerable as well as (perhaps, even better than) ordering the rest of us to shut down our businesses and or stay home.

Very glad to hear that you were taught so well about Jesus. Do remember that the key is a relationship with Him. Have you ever told Him that you believe in Him? If you ever did (once was enough), He made you His own, His precious, beloved, adopted son, and He will never, never, let you go. No matter what you do. Certainly, you can turn your back on Him, but, He will never stop loving you. You are His.

(See the story of the Prodigal Son — the only time God ran…. “‘while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and … he ran … .'” (Luke 15:20))

And I will see you someday! 🙂

Say, perhaps, I will call you “Peter,” from now on… 🙂

Take care, out there, Peter 😉


Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 6:51 pm

P.S. Simon, are you ill?? (“a ventilator” “welcome”). SO SORRY, if so. Praying earnestly for you (just in case).

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 7:38 pm

P.P.S. Sim, I mean Peter, 🙂

I forgot to address your analogy about the ends justifying the means. The analogy is an apt one, but, it doesn’t hold. Trump’s unnecessary, economy-crippling, actions are not illegal – just unwise and unfair. Using a public office to gather damaging intelligence to destroy a political opponent is illegal.

Thus, while both of the above types of actions are wrong, breaking the law (in a substantial way – not a mere breaking of the speed limit or the like) for political advantage is not okay with me.

Further, he is being extorted into his extreme actions by the Democrats and a news industry eager to see him lose.

As I mentioned before, I don’t expect of Trump (or of anyone) the great faith needed to say, “I will only limit liberty to the extent that the data supports — God will take care of my re-election.” Trump (for all his flaws) is wonderful, but, he is a weak human being, just like the rest of us.

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 3, 2020 10:51 pm

thanks for the reply(again). Although we will (probably)never agree on Trump we are not that far away re the virus. You think isolating the vulnerable will be enough, I am not so sure.

Had a friend around the other day and she was black and white on the covid thing. She felt we should not risk damaging the economy or future generations standard of living to keep the elderly safe. Her attitude was the elderly have lived their life, and now have minimal value to contribute to society. They also have reduced years to live. If they have got to 60+ then they have had a good share of things and probably a decent life. It made me think I have to say. But I don’t agree. The quote I hold on to at times like this is “we measure a society by the way it treats the sick and the vulnerable.”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 4, 2020 7:43 am

Hi, Simon,

Not to belabor, just to acknowledge and affirm, I agree with you. I, too, often “quote” my own (or, perhaps my subconscious is actually quoting someone) paraphrase of that thought:

a society is measured by how it treats its weakest members.

Hoping you are well,


P. S. That woman needs a heart transplant!

Janice Moore
Reply to  rah
April 2, 2020 2:32 pm

Glad you are doing well, road warrior rah (heh – had to tell my phone to call you “rah” not “ran”).

Praying for your dear one, your wife…

Sorry to hear that she is not doing very well.

Take care.

April 2, 2020 8:43 am

OT — Last night I was watching Japanese television world news on NHK, and they’re telling everyone to “ventilate” — air out classrooms, homes, etc., to get rid of the virus. Not sure if there’s something to this or not. We get NHK free, over the air, supplied by the Public Broadcasting Network.

Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 8:47 am


Last week I had noticed a local sign on a playground, one of the few playgrounds which couldn’t be locked, and upon reading it learned that our local people are disinfecting playgrounds. I thought this a waste of resources. When I returned home with my kids, I began to look on the internet for sunshine and COVID19. People are bound to be afterward affected with the idea that the world is contaminated. I found a stunning amount of careless thinking. A typical Q/A on a fact checking site, or media site looked like….

Q: Does UV light kill the Corona virus?
A: No. The CDC says that using UV light to disinfect surfaces can be irritating to skin.

Readers of WUWT may notice that these geniuses have failed to answer their own question. The correct response would have been. “Yes, the corona virus can be killed by UV, but a person should not use a UV lamp to disinfect skin as this may cause skin damage.”

So I began to research for what is known about how long the COVID19 virus can survive in sunlight. I was surprised to learn that this is not front and center in this time of panic — it would be good to know how long it takes sunshine in any given place to disinfect a surface.

There is a paper from 2005 in the Journal of Virology which investigated a couple of dozen virus families, and which had a nice table of how long it took UV at 254nm wavelength to reduce the active population to 1/e (37%) of its initial value, and then a translation to sunlight equivalent as sunlight does not have much 254nm wavelength. The range of values is a few minutes to a bit over an hour. Unfortunately corona viruses were not among the list, but this gives one a start about the needed dosage of sunlight.

Something a bit more specific is in the article, Miriam E.R. Darnell, et al, Inactivation of the coronavirus that induces severe acute respiratory syndrome, SARS-CoV, Journal of Virological Methods 121(1):85-91, September 2004.

Here is the flux from their lamp….

The UV light source (Spectronics Corporation, Westbury, NY) was placed above the plate, at a distance of 3 cm from the bottom of the wells containing the virus samples. At 3 cm our UVC light source (254 nm) emitted 4016 μW/cm2 (where μW = 10−6 J/s) and the UVA light source (365 nm) emitted 2133 μW/cm2, as measured by radiometric analysis (Spectronics Corporation).

With this flux the COV-1 virus was attenuated to complete inactivity in about 6 minutes, suggesting a D37 of a couple of minutes. Now, they also noticed very little deactivation using UVA over 15 minutes, and the reason is likely that DNA/RNA only weakly absorb UVA. However, sunlight contains UVA and UVB. From the paper…

UVB can cause the induction of pyrimidine dimers, but 20–100-fold less efficiently than UVC (Perdiz et al., 2000). UVA is weakly absorbed by DNA and RNA, and is much less effective than UVC and UVB in inducing pyrimidine dimers, but may cause additional genetic damage through the production of reactive oxygen species, which cause oxidization of bases and strand breaks (Tyrrell et al., 2001).

There we go. One would think at this point in time one would have far better guidance on this subject than we have. Yet, a 15 minute dosage of UVA is very unlikely to do much to most of the viruses in citation #1, above.

However, in response to Willis’ article yesterday, I wrote about the immuno-compromised person in my wife’s family. The medical advice they were given regarding sunlight was that some hours in sunlight would be sufficient to sterilize surface which could not be sterilized otherwise. BTW, the above article also indicates sterilization in solutions of pH12, which is not at all like the narrow pH range of “Andromeda Strain” fame, or at temperatures above 65C.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 9:04 am

Darnit, WordPress stripped out the pH range. The COV-1 virus is inactivated at pH12

Also, the UVC lamp flux of 4,000 odd microwatts/square centimeter is 40 Joules per square meter per second. The UVA flux was half of this. In reference 1 from my previous post (Predicted Inactivation of Viruses of Relevance to Biodefense by Solar Radiation, JOURNAL OF VIROLOGY, Nov. 2005, p. 14244–14252 Vol. 79, No. 22 doi:10.1128/JVI.79.22.14244–14252.2005) it look around 400 Joules per meter squared of UVC to reach one D37 for the most radiation tolerant families. One can see why UVA at 15 minutes probably had little effect.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 9:48 am

I give up…pH less than 3 or pH greater than 12 inactivates the SARS – COV- 1 virus.

Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 11:47 am

UV might not kill it directly but sunlight will heat up a surface and from what I’ve read, it appears about 140F will start to break down the CV. Your skin won’t get that hot, but a lot of the surfaces will go over that as the Sun angle gets higher in the NH.

Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 11:51 am

Far UVC at 222nm does not penetrate tissue to the depth needed to cause damage but is efficient at destroying micron dimension viruses in air or on surfaces.

Products are commercially available, including handheld wands which can do no touch sterilizing.

The strong herd instinct in the medical profession (as protection from opportunistic carnivore lawyers) may be responsible for the tunnel vision focus on established sources of new treatment for which responsibility can be shifted. It took 50 years for the evidence free “dietary cholesterol causes heart disease” consensus to be quietly abandoned.

Something as simple as safe and effective UVC disinfection may be a harder pill to swallow.

Reply to  Betapug
April 2, 2020 1:25 pm

“The strong herd instinct in the medical profession (as protection from opportunistic carnivore lawyers)”

Lawyers, or just the (self causing) “consensus” enforced by medical boards?

Cops controlled by cops: everyone thinks it’s suspect and problematic. And it isn’t even the same service.
Academics controlled by their own university: OK?
Doctors controlled by medical board of doctors: OK?
Lawyers controlled by lawyer’s bar: OK?

When is self control considered a good thing? For the left, when it isn’t the police.

Reply to  Betapug
April 3, 2020 7:16 am

re: “micron dimension viruses in air”

More like nanometer dimension viruses. 1,000 nm = 1 um (a micron).

Now here’s a question, do the micron-sized particulates in air provide transport for the ~125 nm sized virus ?

(1) Particle diameters ranged from 50 to 150 nm, excluding the spikes, with mean particle diameters of 82 to 94 nm.

(2) The virus that causes COVID-19 is approximately 0.125 micron (125 nanometers) in diameter.

Steve Richards
Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 11:59 am

Those UV tubes give out quite a bi of heat. When erasing EPROMs to replace software, the EPROM was hot to touch after 15 mins.

I wonder if they controlled for the heat of the system as well as the UV lite?

Reply to  Steve Richards
April 3, 2020 6:56 am

re: “Those UV tubes give out quite a bit of heat. … I wonder if they controlled for the heat …”

I don’t recall all that much heat being given off; recall that most of these UV erasing lamps are basically florescent lamps but with different coatings on the inside of the glass (IOW, not Tungsten lamps) …

April 2, 2020 8:51 am

A 29-year-old man is in a Washington, D.C., intensive care unit recovering from coronavirus and he has a warning to young people and anyone who thinks they don’t need to abide by social distancing guidelines: “This can happen to you.”

Francis Wilson of Woodbridge, Virginia, was washing his hands often and taking other precautions as the potentially deadly virus spread. He didn’t think he was at much risk. But he got so sick that he was put unconscious for 10 days.

“I had no idea that the symptoms could get that bad for somebody young and healthy,” he said via video call Tuesday from his hospital bed at George Washington University Hospital.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  ren
April 2, 2020 9:18 am

Naturally the media would highlight a strange outlier with no useful context attached…meanwhile useful information is nowhere in sight.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 2:42 pm



Also, they ignore the glaring (because people are ignoring her) ELEPHANT in the room:

with high confidence, observations reveal that MOST (infected) PEOPLE DO NOT DIE (of COVID19).

Berndt Koch
Reply to  ren
April 2, 2020 9:39 am

That’s 0.000000013% of the population of the planet, incidentally it’s close to the same percentage of Temperature rise that will be ‘saved’ by the Paris Agreement

Reply to  ren
April 2, 2020 10:17 am

Boring. Young people end up in ICUs all the time with no rhyme or reason. Where’s the evidence the virus made him sick? Does he vape? Smoke cigs or pot? Diabetic? Hypertensive?

Reply to  ren
April 2, 2020 2:48 pm

He sounds like a vaper. I’ve read other accounts of young vapers going unconscious for days in the hospital.

Kevin kilty
April 2, 2020 9:47 am

Mod: I have a post made earlier than 9:18 that must be stuck in moderation? I dunno, but it contained some useful information related to Jim’s guest blog.

J Mac
April 2, 2020 10:30 am

I speculate that the decrease in viral infections associated with ‘seasonal warming’ is actually a response to more sunlight hours of exposure as well as greater irradiation and ventilation of our homes interiors as a result of having the curtains and windows wide open much more in spring, summer, and fall. Correlations of decreasing viral infections with higher temperatures may be indicating temperature is the dependent variable, rather than vice versa.

April 2, 2020 10:49 am

“vegetable” oil consumption (cheap!) needs study: anecdotally associated with sunburn, and poor Vit D (actually a hormone) blood levels. Don’t eat it coz it is inflammatory and not a real food.

William Astley
April 2, 2020 11:09 am

This is more details on Vitamin D. The important point is the change in US recommendations concerning Vitamin D.

As per my above link, taking vitamin D supplements to raise the level in the blood, of serum 25 (OH)D from 20 ng/ml to 40 ng/ml has been shown to reduce the incident of flu by 50%.

Serum 25 (OH)D is the active molecule in the blood, a hormone, that the body produces from ‘Vitamin D’.

The increase in serum 25(OH)D also reduces the incident of many cancers by roughly 50%.

As noted in the below study, the reason why this was not discovered earlier in studies, is the earlier studies all used a maximum Vitamin D supplement of 400 IU/day.

400 IU of Vitamin D is the amount of Vitamin D that is included all multi vitamins and is amount a person would get from drinking, four glasses of cow’s milk per day.

Vitamin D from supplements has been added to all of the cow’s milk that we purchase at grocery stores to prevent rickets, there is around 100 IU of Vitamin D per 8 ounce glass of milk.

Due to the evidence that there is a strong reduction in cancer rates if the vitamin D deficiency is addressed and pressure from women’s health groups, the US increased the recommended maximum supplement level of Vitamin D to take for the entire population, from 400 UI/day to 1000 UI/day.

The following are the types of cancer that studies where the cancer rates has been shown to be significantly correlated to blood serum 25(OH)D levels and/or UVB.

Lung, Breast, Colorectal, Prostate, Colon, Pancreatic, Leukemia, Ovarian, Gastric, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma (NHL), Bladder, Brain, Renal, Esophageal, Rectal, Oral, pharyngeal Endometrial Cervical, Gallbladder, Hodgkin’s lymphoma, Thyroid, Vulvar

The study linked to below tested groups with calcium supplements only, vitamin D supplements only, and vitamin D and calcium supplements.

The reason why many people are calcium deficient in addition to being Vitamin D deficient, is in the majority of the rich developing countries, we eat more meat than our bodies are optimum capable of handling which causes a loss of calcium.
Molecular Link between Vitamin D and Cancer Prevention

There are a number of reasons why there are so few vitamin D RCTs (Randomized Controlled Tests) reporting a reduced risk of cancer.

One is that for many years, researchers used 400 IU/day vitamin D3. This amount reduces the risk of rickets, but not much else.

It is only in the past decade that many of the non-calcemic benefits of vitamin D were reported.

For non-calcemic benefits, higher serum 25(OH)D levels are required. A second reason is that most of the vitamin D RCTs treated vitamin D as a drug, assuming that other sources of vitamin D were unimportant and that there was a simple dose-response relation between oral vitamin D and the serum 25(OH)D level. In fact, the vitamin D-serum 25(OH)D level relation is nonlinear and eventually saturates [186].

There have been two randomized controlled trials (RCT) using vitamin D and calcium that found a beneficial effect in reducing cancer incidence. The first one was one conducted on post-menopausal women in Nebraska [183]. Those in the treatment arms took 1450 mg/day calcium or 1450 mg/day calcium plus 1100 IU/day vitamin D3 . At the time of enrollment, the mean serum 25(OH)D level was 72 nmol/L.

At the end of the first year, those taking vitamin D plus calcium had a mean serum 25(OH)D level of 96 nmol/L, while those in the other two arms had 71 nmol/L. Between the ends of the first and fourth years, those taking only calcium had a 44% reduction in all-cancer incidence, while those taking calcium plus vitamin D had a 77% reduction.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  William Astley
April 2, 2020 7:13 pm

Vitamin D can be toxic in large doses over time. If you decide on mega doses, do it under supervision of a medical professional.

Clyde Spencer
April 2, 2020 11:55 am


You remarked, “If we do not get enough sunshine, sheltering in place just might have the unintended consequence of prolonging the COVID 19 epidemic.” Perhaps exacerbating that, it is my understanding that challenges to one’s immune system keeps it strong. Therefore, isolation may be weakening immune systems. It’s appears to be a “Damned if you do and damned if you don’t” situation!

April 2, 2020 1:08 pm

On a contrarian note, the first wave of the Spanish Flu peaked in the middle of July. The major peak began in September.

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And right now, COVID-19 is surging in Brazil:

Reply to  Snape
April 2, 2020 1:37 pm
April 2, 2020 1:45 pm

NYC Cases Top 50k, Nearly 1,400 Dead; State Could Run Out of Ventilators in 6 Days

April 2, 2020 1:50 pm

Louisiana Coronavirus (COVID-19) Information

james fosser
April 2, 2020 1:56 pm

I was speaking to a fellow named Occam yesterday about the flu season and he suggested that it waned in warmer months because crowds of people were outside in the fresh air and not crowded together in heated shopping malls.

Reply to  james fosser
April 2, 2020 3:14 pm

In the UK average annual flu mortality is about 30,000 at 0.1% of all infected, i.e. annually about 30,000,000 or nearly half of UK population is infected. Since all survivors acquire immunity, at this level the ‘herd immunity’ kicks in and virus dies down.
This is kind of scenario that initially was considered by the UK government to be appropriate for the Covid-19 epidemic. However, it was soon abandoned when the government morons were told that the Covid-19 mortality is about 10 times greater i.e. around 1%.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Vuk
April 2, 2020 7:17 pm

OK, in your opinion 1% mortality is unacceptable, while 0.1% is acceptable. Where would you draw the line at an acceptable mortality?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
April 2, 2020 11:45 pm

Hi Clyde
No you clearly misunderstood or misinterpreted, not even 0.1% is acceptable, that’s why there is the vaccination and hospitalisation but apparently ( I am not expert on any of this) that is the best we can do. Flu mortality varies between 20k and 50k / annum.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Vuk
April 3, 2020 9:41 am

Yes, rational people tend to do things to protect themselves, such as develop vaccines. My point is, when it comes to seasonal flues we don’t do much else except treat those who become seriously ill. That isn’t “the best we can do.” We can do what we are currently doing with COVID-19, which has never been done before. We have been reluctant to go the Full Monty with seasonal flues because of the damage to the economy. That is, we have tacitly accepted half-way approaches to controlling seasonal flues to avoid the economic damage, while accepting the loss of life. Yet, when we are now confronted with a disease with the potential for 10X the fatalities, we do 98% of what might slow it down. So, my philosophical question is, at what level of threat do we engage in more than just administer vaccines (and hope for the best) and treat those who become seriously ill? 0.2% potential fatalities, 0.5%, or what? And what are the rationales for making the decision? Nobody is explicitly addressing this question.

Reply to  Vuk
April 5, 2020 6:50 pm

Clyde Spencer April 3, 2020 at 9:41 am
Yes, rational people tend to do things to protect themselves, such as develop vaccines. My point is, when it comes to seasonal flues we don’t do much else except treat those who become seriously ill. That isn’t “the best we can do.”

No we could administer vaccines, unfortunately about 55% of the population can’t be bothered to do so. At that level of vaccination we get about 8% of the population catching seasonal flu, perhaps if we got vaccination up to 75% we’d see a much lower incidence of flu. One worst aspect of COVID-19 is the higher incidence of ventilator use and when needed it is needed for about three times longer, which is why the facilities are getting overloaded.

April 2, 2020 6:33 pm

I have no idea whether this actually prevents flu or not but it sure as heck makes me feel better having a little bit of sun on my skin . Getting us through this also means keeping people feeling well and if a bit of sun helps that, it cannot be disadvantageous. And I am not talking about tanning or prolonged exposure, just a bit of fresh air!

J Mac
April 2, 2020 9:41 pm

I second Quilter52’s sentiment!
Today was ‘drizzle, rain, sleet… rinse, wash, repeat’ here in the Great NorthWet. The sun broke through just before sundown, allowing me to get the row boat out for a half hour of delightful, sunset rowing! Wuhan virus be damned, I also had a nice conversation with a like-minded neighbor who was out for a paddle in his kayak. Attitude much improved!

April 2, 2020 11:24 pm

This is great news and testifies to the high effectiveness of real scientists.

As Dr. Mariola Fotin-Mleczek said on Thursday, SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus vaccine has been working since mid-January. The vaccine is intended to be innovative because it uses ribonucleic acid, which contains information about the structure of the protein on the surface of the virus.,2191/koronawirus-sars-cov-2-nasza-szczepionka-wywoluje-odpowiednia-odpowiedz-u-zwierzat-to-nas-uskrzydla,318956,1,0.html?fbclid=IwAR149TPowu8w5T_l56h51t5p3xNMbsac5mpixEC7P64ZzwprNy2w3-aIxVo

Reply to  ren
April 2, 2020 11:49 pm

SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. “Our vaccine elicits the right response in animals. It gives us wings.”
As Dr. Mariola Fotin-Mleczek said on Thursday, SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus vaccine has been working since mid-January. The vaccine is intended to be innovative because it uses ribonucleic acid, which contains information about the structure of the protein on the surface of the virus.

– We have been preparing it for animal testing since January, and at the same time, the production of this vaccine for human testing started two weeks ago.

Reply to  ren
April 3, 2020 6:05 am

It all began with an unexpected discovery. CureVacs founder, Dr. Ingmar Hoerr (a doctoral student at the time), discovered that when it was administered directly into tissue, the historically unstable biomolecule mRNA could be used as a therapeutic vaccine or agent after optimizationno complicated reformulations or molecular packaging needed.

We built CureVac from lifes building blocks
With a single discovery, CureVac opened the world up to the potential of mRNA to treat diseases and create vaccines. Officially founded in 2000, CureVac is the worlds first company to successfully harness mRNA for medical purposesbecause we saw opportunities where others saw obstacles. Today, were more than 400 passionate people strong, each one committed to using the clinical potential of our proprietary mRNA technology to provide tailored solutions for those with the greatest medical needs.

High Treason
April 3, 2020 2:07 am

Ozone at about .02ppm is safe for continuous exposure. This concentration would knock off over 90% of airborne virus particles, meaning vastly lower initial dose. Mortality is linked to the initial viral load. As a bonus, ozone would kill viruses in the lungs, slowing the progression. This would allow the body to produce antibodies before the virus takes hold of the lungs. People with co-morbidities are vulnerable to something like a flu – the last straw. Thousands die each year from the seasonal flu. Shutting down the entire world economy and taking away freedoms is suspect.

Ozone is typically produced by corona discharge!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  High Treason
April 3, 2020 9:05 pm

Ozone is also produced by SW UV lights.

April 3, 2020 8:42 am

This BBC site discusses role UV light of various frequencies in killing, or not, Covid-19.
Only dangerous UV-C works, and atmospheric ozone filters that out of sunlight.

April 3, 2020 9:13 am

Would vitamin D3 work as good as regular vitamin D?
What is the difference between the two?

April 3, 2020 9:31 am

I’m curious and I haven’t seen an answer yet. How is sun exposure measured?
What amount of skin would you have to expose to the sun to get any D benefit? is more exposure better than less? For example do people in a nudist colony get more vitamin D than your average outside worker?

Jim Steele
Reply to  Rick
April 3, 2020 11:31 am

Rick, How much sun depends on your latitude, season, time of day, skin pigment and amount of clothing. Some health advisors think 10 to 20 minutes of midday sun would be sufficient i you had no sunscreen and exposed arms and legs.

Concerned with a return bout of skin cancer, I usually avoid midday sun, but I walk 1 to 2 hours in the early morning and dont use sunscreen.

Your diet may also determine how much sun exposure you need to get enough Vitamin D

Jim Steele
April 3, 2020 10:28 am

50-60% of elderly population in the world has vitamin D deficiency. In critically ill patients, the prevalence of vitamin D deficiency (25 (OH) D <20 ng / ml) exceeds 70%.

It would be interesting to see how each countries COVID19 fatalities correlates with sunlight exposure and Vitamin D supplements and why the elderly are so hard it.

"Foods fortified with vitamin D in the United States include milk, orange juice, some breads, margarines, cheeses, and yogurts. In Europe, Sweden, and Finland, milk is fortified with vitamin D3, but most other
European countries still forbid the fortification of dairy products with vitamin D."

In "Vitamin D: a D-Lightful health perspective"

The lack of Vitamin D in countries that forbid fortification seem to be hardest hit.

Vitamin D deficiency may be a factor in Italy's high case load. Other studies noted this for various medival problems "Prevalence of hypovitaminosis D in elderly women in Italy: clinical consequences and risk factors"

Reply to  Jim Steele
April 3, 2020 7:40 pm

Thank-you Jim for answering my question.

April 3, 2020 2:18 pm

The beginning of 2020 brought us information about the novel coronavirus emerging in China. Rapid research resulted in the characterization of the pathogen, which appeared to be a member of the SARS-like cluster, commonly seen in bats. Despite the global and local efforts, the virus escaped the healthcare measures and rapidly spread in China and later globally, officially causing a pandemic and global crisis in March 2020. At present, different scenarios are being written to contain the virus, but the development of novel anticoronavirals for all highly pathogenic coronaviruses remains the major challenge. Here, we describe the antiviral activity of previously developed by us HTCC compound (N-(2-hydroxypropyl)-3-trimethylammonium chitosan chloride), which may be used as potential inhibitor of currently circulating highly pathogenic coronaviruses – SARS-CoV-2 and MERS-CoV.

April 4, 2020 1:30 am

In the Infectious Diseases Clinic of Clinical Hospital No. 1 in Lublin, an innovative method of treating coronavirus-infected patients is being tested, which aims to prevent the development of respiratory failure. The treatment uses drugs that are used in rheumatology and hematology. Their implementation is carried out at the second – third stage of infection.
The drug blocks the mechanisms of inflammatory reactions
– This is not strictly an antiviral treatment, but we are trying to turn off the inflammatory response that is responsible for serious complications. By blocking the receptor of one of interleukins – a substance secreted by our immune system, we do not get to the so-called cytokine storm, which results in respiratory failure – said dr hab. Krzysztof Tomasiewicz.

don rady
April 4, 2020 8:19 am


“Supporting the Immune System” Can Backfire”

One way to approach this that doesn’t work is to eat foods or take supplements simply because
they support our immune system.
While this seems to make sense, it has a huge potential to backfire. Viruses often hijack things
in our body that ordinarily make us healthy to find their way into our cells. The sneakiest viruses
may then undermine our immune system and stop it from working, or, worse yet, hijack it and
use it against us to make us get even sicker.
For example, the coronavirus gets into our cells by hijacking a substance known as “ACE2”
whose normal role is to keep our blood pressure from getting too high and to keep our lungs
and heart healthy. Vitamins A and D are normally incredibly important to our immune systems.
They help us make antibodies and other virus-busting weaponry. And they support our blood
pressure and the health of our lungs and heart by helping us make more ACE2. Vitamins A and D are good for our lungs, good for our heart, and they support our immune system. Yet, by
increasing the amount of ACE2 that the coronavirus can hijack in order to get inside our cells,
supplementing with them may actually make us more vulnerable to infection.

Copying What We Do for Colds and Flu Doesn’t Work
As with supporting the immune system, we can’t just copy and paste whatever we usually do for
colds and flu.
Sometimes this will work. For example, certain types of zinc lozenges can stop a cold dead in its
tracks, and everything we know so far suggests that zinc offers strong protection against the
coronavirus too. Elderberry is very effective against the flu, and it’s probably just as effective
against the coronavirus.
Yet, other times this doesn’t work at all. For example, vitamins A and D prevent colds from ever
happening in the first place, but they have a strong chance of making us more likely to get the
coronavirus. Umcka makes colds less severe, but has a good chance of making the lung
damage from the coronavirus more severe.
There’s simply no relationship between whether something works for colds and flu and whether
it is likely to work for the coronavirus.
Copyright © Chris Masterjohn, 2020

Reply to  don rady
April 4, 2020 8:41 am

” For example, certain types of zinc lozenges can stop a cold dead in its
tracks, and everything we know so far suggests that zinc offers strong protection against the
coronavirus too. Elderberry is very effective against the flu, and it’s probably just as effective
against the coronavirus.”

April 4, 2020 9:16 am

President of the Polish Society of Cardiology and Director of the Warsaw Course on Cardiovascvular Interventions, prof. Adam Witkowski, draws attention to the dangers of the heart associated with the coronavirus pandemic not only to cardiological patients, but also to young and healthy people.
Many factors contribute to the severe course of coronavirus infection. On the one hand, in most cases, patients who suffer from cardiovascular disease are elderly people, therefore they have worse functioning of the immune system, which is able to fight infections, but it is also caused by the fact that the virus itself can attack heart cells. – explains prof. Witkowski. – because the receptors through which the virus enters the lung cells – ACE2 receptors – are also found in the cells of the heart muscle, as well as in the cells of the kidneys or vascular endothelium. SARS-Cov-2 virus can also damage myocardial cells by causing so-called cytokine storm caused by a corrupted T-helper lymphocyte response to infection.

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