Guest post by Alec Rawls
Social distancing is very costly to our society and not everyone needs to be doing it. The greater Seattle area alone is right now rapidly filling up with many thousands of people who have already gotten over the COVID-19 “Chinese coronavirus” and are thus not at significant risk either of catching this disease again or of passing it on. We just need to make it easy for people to discover their already-had-it status. Then as long as they wash their hands they should be out engaging in the public activities that keep our economy and our society going.
The nationwide rollout of drive-thru testing for active coronavirus infection is starting to identify some of the immune population. Almost all of those who test positive will within a couple of weeks be well over their symptoms and no longer able transmit the disease. But active virus testing by itself will leave the biggest part of the immune population unidentified.
First it can’t identify anybody who is already over the disease, which means anybody who caught Corona more than two weeks ago. With the highly contagious “Wuhan flu” circulating since at least mid-January those numbers could be large and the people affected are the ones who can be stepping out to keep our economy running right now.
Going forward the live virus test will continue to miss most infections. Current estimates are that about half of the Corona infections are asymptomatic, or nearly so. In the words of Doctor Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins (at 1:10 here):
We do know, if we look at the Diamond Princess and other examples, that about half of people probably have no symptoms or mild symptoms.
The silent spread of “Kung Flu” (the moniker popularized by CBS reporter Weijia Jiang) will be and probably already has been vast. The only way to identify the large and important group of people who have been part of this expanding wave is to have a nationwide roll-out of antibody testing to anybody who wants it, a rollout on the same scale as the live virus testing.
Given the important social benefits we shouldn’t charge for it and we should try hard to really sell people on the personal benefits:
“Hear ye, hear ye! Get you antibody check here! If you’ve already got Corona antibodies then you’ve have a “get out of social-distance-jail free” card. Go out dancing! Go to the movies! Go to the restaurant! And most importantly, go back to work.”
Add antibody testing to drive through PCR and encourage everybody to do both
The active virus test uses polymerase chain reaction testing (PCR) on nasal and throat swabs to look for the RNA of the Chinese Coronavirus. Antibody tests require a blood sample but are already available and, like the PCR tests, return results in a few hours. Everybody who does one should probably also get the other.
Why? Because people whose current symptoms turn out to be an ordinary flu might nevertheless have already gotten over Corona so they should test for that too, even if they have no awareness of an earlier infection. Similarly, currently symptomless people who want to find out if they already had Corona might turn out to have an active infection.
The large social benefits of each say to do both and Biomedomics says that their rapid antibody test only requires a finger-prick blood sample so it could probably be done drive-through at the same time as the swab testing.
As Corona comes to look less dangerous our response is becoming more extreme
The news from the frontlines of the Corona War looks good. We already have strong indications of about 1% mortality from the Diamond Princess and from South Korea. That’s high for an ordinary flu but there has also been great progress in finding effective remedies that could reduce the mortality by quite a bit. Then there is the high estimated proportion of asymptomatic cases. If borne out that will not only keep the Coronavirus mortality rate low but it will also mean that we already have a good start on herd immunity.
Logically it seems that we are not far from the point where we can declare the situation manageable and start rolling back the extremes of social distancing and economic shutdown that are now in place. We shouldn’t be in too much of a hurry. The domestic testing data is finally starting to roll in and we need to look at it, but if we can get to the point where the risks can placed in the ballpark of an ordinary-flu (or a modest multiple of an ordinary flu) then we should drop all but the most basic social distancing (stay home when sick), and stop incurring the serious economic harm that more drastic social distancing is already starting to cause. Nothing kills as many people as poverty and even a modest recession upends the lives of those who end up without work.
But while the news from the war front is good multiple levels of government are forging full speed ahead with even more drastic distancing and shut-down. Multiple states have already committed to shutting down the rest of their public school years, California just locked all of its 40 million citizens in their houses and PA shut down its highway rest stops! (Now they are only shutting down the bathrooms, yay. One cheer.)
It goes on and on in a mad rush. A trillion dollar stimulus package is in the works and Congress is looking to enact responses into law. Radical shut down plans are being floated from sources one would expect to be rational (MITRE), going far beyond the original stated goal of trying to slow the spread of the Coronavirus and instead explicitly advocating efforts to stopping Corona from spreading at all.
To defeat Corona, we can’t let our own immune system kill us
If the medical test data now coming in reveals some terrible bad news then a prolonged social distancing response could still turn out to be right, but people being people, extreme distancing could continue even if it is terribly wrong.
Remember how the Coronavirus kills (in the rare cases where it does kill): by provoking an over-reaction from the host body’s immune system that attacks and destroys the host’s own cells. That is exactly what our current “immune response” of shutting down the economy will quickly achieve if we follow it very long, whether on solid grounds or in terrible error.
The only way to survive going much further down this road is with mass antibody testing that releases those who have gotten over the Coronavirus from further social distancing. If we are going to take this very dire economy-ravaging medicine, akin to subjecting the body to a 106° fever, it is crucial that we mitigate the harm by exempting those for whom it is completely unnecessary.
Those people are going to be our skeleton crews and their unconstrained mobility is going to be most important when we are at our lowest point. As their numbers grow they are going to pave our road back. They are going to be our road back.
Eventually we will all be there. A year or two from now when effective vaccines are finally available we will all have immunity. But a year is a very long time to be flat on our back economically. In the meantime we need the growing army of our immune countrymen to be our legs and we need to take steps to get those legs up and under us.
So long as we are even contemplating continued social distancing it is imperative that we put mass antibody testing right at the top of our priority list. We desperately need protection not just from the Coronavirus but also from the immune response that our society implements to attack the virus, or it won’t just get a few of us. It will get all of us.
Does the possibility of reinfection change this analysis?
Reinfection would seem to be a second order concern but it is something we need to investigate. Flus always mutate, eventually coming back different enough to strike again. By then we should not only have vaccines but our vaccine industry should be developing vaccines much quicker than in the past, a change that is already emerging.
As for reinfection by a single strain, that should not happen with a healthy immune system and probably hasn’t happened. “If this acts like any other virus, once you recover, you won’t get reinfected,” says Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, and there are other possible explanations for the few seeming cases of reinfection, such as incomplete recovery and tests that missed the still infected body parts.
But we do know of one possible danger on the multiple-strain front already. Chinese researchers say that they have identified two major strains, a more aggressive “L” strain that was predominant in Wuhan but has since lost ground to a less aggressive “S” strain.
The small number of known cases of seeming reinfection suggest that there must be strong cross-immunity between whatever different strains exist, but what if that is not the explanation? Could the reason we aren’t seeing reinfection across the L and S strains be that they travelled off in different directions?
Plausible or not, just take it as a worst case example where we would be forced to deal with in-effect two different flus at once. Would it change our fundamental strategy? No. Mass antibody testing would still be a top priority.
If both flus were beyond containment we would have to double all the testing, doing mass PCR tests and mass antibody tests for both viruses. Higher mortality and less immunity would make more social distancing necessary, which would impose more economic damage, making it all the more important to identify those people who don’t need to social distance.
The difference is that they would have to be immune to both strains, which means there would be far fewer of them, which would make them that much more valuable. The shorter the supply of an economic input the higher its marginal productivity. The first glass of water in the desert is the most important.
The already immune are still going to have to fill crucial points of human contact so the fewer there are of them the more important finding them becomes. Thus under all scenarios, until we decide that social distancing is no longer necessary, antibody testing will be a crucial tool for limiting the economic and social damage that social distancing inflicts.
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The bad news :
“California just locked all of its 40 million citizens in their houses”
The good nwes :
Hundreds of thousands of homeless Californian citizens will not be impacted by this restriction.
/s
They ought to send some cruise ships to California to house the homeless.
I live in Vietnam. Its a densely populated country in which close contact with people is unavoidable. But its also a very young country by population along with being generally hot and humid. It also shares a border with China. Yet it currently has less than 100 cases of the disease and no deaths. And that has occurred despite the fact almost the entire country still goes to work every day.
Compare that to Italy. It’s generally has a cool dry climate and the second oldest population on the planet. It has an untold number of cases and a spiraling death rate.
I am hopeful that hot and humid weather will slow the spread of this disease. Certainly a comparison of Vietnam and Italy would offer some hope in that regard.
It’s early to tell and there are confounding factors, but it appears that there is something to the heat and humidity hypothesis. When this is over, it should be possible to understand this using data from different countries /states, correcting for demographics/population and other factors.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767
When I was in Vietnam, I took a lot of anti-malaria drugs. Although I was known to miss my dose a few times.
I also got really sick over there. The sickest I have ever been. I layed in bed (no medical treatment) for three days, out in the boondocks, with such a high fever and sweating that I soaked the entire thin mattress on the army cot. The third night, I made my mind up that I would have to go in to see the doctor in the morning, but when morning came around, the fever had broken, and I then recovered quickly over a few more days and never did go to the doctor.
I have no idea what I had but it was the worst.
I lived around the An Khe area (where I got sick) and the Phu Bai area to mention a few.
This is interesting, to me, anyway: I think I figured out what caused my illness in Vietnam. I was watching a program about Virus Pandemics last night on Fox News Channel and they mentioned the Hong Kong flu epidemic of 1968 and 1969, which occurred during the time when I was in Vietnam.
So I guess I had the Hong Kong flu. That was a rough one. I wouldn’t want to do that again. I had four wool army blankets on top of me and I couldn’t stop shivering and shaking for days.
That is the factor that all those screaming for hard shut down seem to fail to understand. The measures taken to control a virus with relatively small death count will be far more dangerous than the viral infection.
MODS. Can you please do something about the K-word in your moderation filters ?
It is very hard to discuss a pandemic without saying that it terminates the life of some of it victims. We have a word for that which begins with K but we are not allowed to use it !!
I just quotes three words from this article and it fell into moderation trap.
Rapid SARS-CoV-2 serological testing (antibody screening) is coming and may be in use in some high impact areas within a month. A few different companies are at various stages of development now. We will be able to confirm COVID-19 when sick, and identify those who have immunity to the virus after all symptoms are gone.
Like many others commenting here, I suffered a very real case of viral infection this year. I am a fit healthy person with many physical outdoor activities to keep me in trim. This year all of my extended family have suffered ongoing colds, coughs and a general feeling of fatigue. In my case coupled with a very productive cough the like of which I have never experienced before. Non of us know if we have contracted the Covid 19 virus, we probably didn’t, but the impact of normal flu was there to see.
Why has the world gone so overboard with this latest virus scare? It could not be more debilitating than what we have already suffered already this winter, short of finishing us.
Test, test and test some more that is what we must do. We must establish facts before making extreme society destroying decisions. This is the 21st century not the 15th! We have the technology to roll out tests and the ability to analyse the data, gathered quickly world wide.
For the first time ever the UK is closed down. Even the pubs are closed which is the social gathering point the nation relies on for its cohesion and sanity. Even during the depths of the the most damaging threat to our society i.e. during the Blitz the pubs in London stayed open.
There is something very wrong with decision making by our national governments today. Decisions are being taken without establishing clear facts.
NB My apologies if this comment is doubled up. The original contained the k word which lingered in moderation, possibly forever?
Antibody testing sounds logical, but how do you stop the idiots who say they are now safe from running around as usual?
If they are safe and not shedding the virus, isn’t that exactly what we want? We need to revive the economy before it is fully destroyed.
They just need to keep their hands washed (not pick up germs from surfaces and other people’s hands spread them around). And don’t re-use grocery bags!
There is no useful supply of antibodies yet. CDC is still soliciting (Last I looked, a few h ours ago) verified SARS-CoV-2 antigens for propagation.
The RT-PCR test takes 15 hours per panel / plate on a licensed machine with a qualified technician.
The Cephid GeneXpert ‘home’ test will begin shipping tomorrow Monday 23 March. It uses a proprietary machine and is licensed by the FDA, not CDC.
Now is a good time – locked up with video time – to learn basic microbiology serology immunology PCR RT-PCR and ELISA. There are great video demonstrations / lectures.
Xpert Xpress SARS-CoV-2 test (Cepheid)
On March 20, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to authorize the emergency use the Cepheid’s Xpert Xpress SARS-CoV-2 test, in pursuant to Section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) (21 U.S.C. §360bbb-3), for the qualitative detection of SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid in:
Nasopharyngeal swab and nasal wash/aspirate specimens collected from individuals suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider. Emergency use of this test is limited to use of the GeneXpert Dx and GeneXpert Infinity Systems in laboratories certified under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988 (CLIA), 42 U.S.C. §263a, to perform high and moderate complexity tests; and
Nasopharyngeal swab specimens collected from individuals suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider. Emergency use of this test is authorized to be distributed and used in patient care settings using the GeneXpert Xpress System (Tablet and Hub Configurations).
Letter of Authorization
Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers
Fact Sheet for Patients
Manufacturer Instructions/Package Insert – Laboratories
Manufacturer Instructions/Package Insert – Point of Care
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations
Link URL at the source
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson hopes to roll back the corona measures they have introduced in twelve weeks.
“We are now in negotiations to buy an antibody test to see if you have had the virus or not. It is still early, but if it works, we will buy hundreds of thousands of these tests. It has the potential to become a “game changer,” Johnson said.
Combined with an escalation of corona testing, the new antibody tests and the advice they have given the British people, Johnson hopes to stave off the spread of the corona virus.”
Does anyone remember how parents used to hold slumber parties for girls when one girl in the neighborhood got sick with a certain illness (can’t remember which one) that could cause problems for the fetus when women got the illness while pregnant? Maybe we’ll start seeing covid-19 parties for people who want to get immunity so they can go back to work.
rubella aka german measles
most schoold used to do a test scratch and follow up vax if you reacted
then decades later….
they realised they should have also been doing the boys who also carried it.
hmmm
ditto the HPV
Rubella aka German measles
Usually a mild childhood disease but serious for pregnant women…..causes significant birth defects
Vaccination in children recommended at 12 months
Chickenpox, too.
I’ve knew about bat soup, but not this.
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1241293779694268417
Yummy, but I’d at least have to use some salt and pepper.
I ate at a restaurant in Wuhan where one of our dishes was freshly prepared fish whose tail was still flopping.
Sashimi in the making! Cooking will k1ll pathogens, so cultural food differences can contribute to differences in the infection rates. I’m going to avoid sushi for awhile.
That right there is some crazy shit, icisil.
icisil
They are better with ketchup! I prefer to pluck the feathers off first. 🙂
My household had the same, my brother caught a cough from work, then it went through the house, cough, white mucus, real tiredness, chills and temp, it was brutal… We all get little colds here and there, but honestly this was totally new, Vicks, cough medicine etc etc nothing really worked..
Perhaps later as a post-war analysis if someone wants to donate, from private funds, the millions of dollars this would require? Better, let private enterprise compete and have those that want peace of mind that they have an antibody for one of thousands of strains of respiratory viruses.
Today, if would be better, “at no charge”, for everyone to focus on treatments. Many claim, for example, that quarantines “work” but there is really no science confirming as in clinical trials. And for very good reasons including how to start a pathogen in a nation and then isolate towns when “discovery” is made, etc. Likewise, there is no proof that social distancing is effective. And for very good reasons including no one will willfully measure contracting the virus using measured rates of exposure. Unethical or impractical they claim. Common sense they claim. One must believe that a pathogens is both highly contagious and will obey stop signs erected at a distance that can be measured in inches or such.
However, given the huge advances in biochemistry, etc., wouldn’t treatment be a better focus at this point. Recall: There was a time when sequencing only one human genome was estimated to take decades? This is a time when your complete DNA can be sequenced in minutes and tell you how many, which, and impact of Neanderthal genes you have. And trace you back thousands of years. See 23andme.
If one has a need to spend public funds on health regarding the Wuhan, I’d vote to spend it on treatments and cures. Even at the expense of developing vaccines since most of them rarely even make 50% efficacy, many not even 30%. A treatment that is 95% efficacy just seems to be an enormously better option. And let private industry compete and be paid a reasonable, even good, profit to produce it.
And, yes, with advances we’ve made in biochemistry, private industry will be able to dramatically reduce lead times. Perhaps measured in days, maybe even hours. They’re very close now if you’ve noticed how the biolabs are using there current methods to engineer everything from vaccines to antibodies for the “novel” Wuhan. All that’s needed is incentive. Which means profit. To be helpful, government could even off a million dollar, even a 100 million dollar “prize” for a winner.
Testing everyone, while emotionally satisfying and comforting, results in a population that knows what they have but will still die due to lack of treatments.
You missed the point cedarhill. The testing proposed here is to identify those who have recovered from Covid-19 so that we can let them return to work and keep the economy from collapsing.
Rich
Unfortunately, the testing program would defeat the “social distancing” that we have all been asked to abide by.
Why do you think that? Those who have immunity are not shedding the virus to infect others and cannot themselves be sickened.
There is no reason why social distancing could not be maintained. The only purpose for continuing social distancing in the workplace would be if in addition to having immune people go back to work, low-risk people were also allowed back to work even though not yet exposed to the virus.
Assuming that there would be appropriate screening for risk factors, it makes sense to me that we quarantine the vulnerable population (that is predominately not in the workforce) and allow the infection to become endemic among the low risk population, eventually building up herd immunity.
Rich
I don’t think that you have thought this through. To test the population to find those with anti-bodies, it will be necessary for those harboring the virus during the incubation period to stand in line with those who are already over it. Along with the immune, will be those who have not yet caught the virus, standing in line with potential spreaders! Yes, a situation could be created where there was less risk of exposing the vulnerable, but that would take a lot longer to execute. Imagine that you were appointed “Corona Czar” and had to actually design and implement the logistical nightmare of testing 330 million people without putting the vulnerable at risk by the process.
I suppose workers could petition their employers or the government for individual tests, but you still have the problem of putting those who only think that they have recovered from COVID-19 at risk of exposure to infected people.
Clyde you’re overthinking it. This would not be a science project to check the whole population. The population we’re talking about is a subset of the roughly 150m who have jobs.
It would be as described in the article—a drive through test site for non-symptomatic people who want to be cleared to return to work. Self-administered swab test for the active infection test and self administered blood test similar to glucose test. Samples put into vials or other containers and dropped off in a bin for testing.
Nobody would need to be exposed, and vulnerable people would be excluded.
We need a more can-do attitude.
Rich
We need some practical, reasonable analysis of proposals. Some good old ‘climate change’ skepticism! Someone recently suggested that 100,000 tests a day would be a good target number. At that rate, it would take 500 days to test your 50 million. Hopefully, the problem won’t last that long. To get people back to work ‘quickly,’ say within 14 days, it would require about 3.6 million tests per day.
As to whether or not the 100,000 tests a day is even reasonable, consider what happens when people attempt to evacuate Florida before a hurricane. It is called gridlock! Your model, similar to the long gone drive-thru film-processing kiosks, worked well in small cities, with small demand. Considering applying that approach to where it is really needed, for example, Manhattan. A million cars lined up (every day!) to access just a few streets to get to the testing depots would be a traffic nightmare. From what I have read, it takes 4 hours to process a sample. They can’t sit around in their cars with engines idling. How do you notify them of the results? Most people have computers, but that means building a whole new infrastructure to collate and send out the notices. All this takes planning, money, and time.
Incidentally, something that you haven’t taken into consideration is that the tests are not perfect. There are both false-positives and false-negatives. The false-negatives are the greatest risk as they would be capable of defeating the social distancing and re-igniting infections. How do you deal with the tests being wrong?
I’m going to keep my eye on Miguel County, Colorado…and I’ll be searching for other locations that are performing good epidemiology…unlike the rest of the country.
Like Sunny and others above, the wife and I and many others in the neighborhood and extended family had the same thing. This was last year late Oct. thru Nov. It had already been going around for at least a month before that. It started out with the same symptoms as C-19 and for some progressed into very serious pneumonia like congestion which lasted 5-6 weeks. (Of people we knew – both remotely – here was 2 deaths) Mine was not as bad (it lasted over 5 weeks but not as high a fever or as bad of congestion) as the wife’s. She had to go to the walk-in clinic twice as the first time they would NOT prescribe antibiotics (probably rightly so as they said it was viral). Hers lasted over 6 weeks. Here’s what is particularly interesting: Her primary physician said (2 weeks ago) it COULD have been C-19. Just one physicians opinion? Maybe BUT – when she mentioned this to her daughter (who’s doctorate is in micro-biology and works in this area everyday for one of the largest pharmacy companies in the world) she said YES, that’s possible. C-19 “could” have (has been) going around in parallel with the “regular” flu. Which (if so) begs the question: Of the 22,000 to 36,000 deaths the CDC attributes to the “flu”, how many are/were actually C-19? Which is why we need to do a antibody tests AND should have been starting last Nov.
opps, the CDC estimate is actually : From October 1, 2019, through March 7, 2020, there have been:
36,000,000 – 51,000,000 “regular” annual flu illnesses…. …and 22,000 – 55,000 “regular” annual flu deaths, spread across ALL ages including children.
A rate of ONLY .09% but approximately 138 – 346 PER DAY!
And from January 21, 2020 through March 19, 2020, there have been:
9,415 confirmed case of Wuhan flu illnesses… …and 151 confirmed Wuhan flu deaths.
A higher rate of 1.60% but ONLY approximately 2.5 per day. (From Jan 21, 2020 – Mar 18, 2020)
AND – the 151 is/was during the time when we DIDN’T have everything shut down.
I’ve read through all the comments and one thing is certain—we simply NEED more data.
Testing for antibodies is just sound IMO. Because like a lot of people here, I suspect the virus has already spread through the world. However, I simply don’t know. I need more data to make a reasonable conclusion.
I am curious about the curve that we all know so well as it is on every single news program, website and news article. What exactly IS the infection rate that generated that curve? Is it R(naught)=2.2 as one very small study suggests or is it closer to what we saw on the Diamond Princess or S. Korea? Does anyone know on what factors that curve is based? Is infection rate one of those variables? And what is it?
Keeping in mind that all data has errors, the infographics below are interesting.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/
Fascinating.
Thank you!
I especially like the graph of mentions in the media…..
Alec Rawls,
A thoughtful and well reasoned article. Thank you!
This is more about the image for this posting on the home page than the content of this posting.

I’ve seen plenty of graphics like this and wondered why they always use bell-curve shapes. Surely the real shapes would not be so smooth and symmetrical. Attack and decay phases symmetrical?
Here you can find shapes calculated for your state. See what you think of their model.
https://covidactnow.org
It is called triage. Pandemic response 101 begins with triage. then determine RO. then quarantine.
quite simple. The CDC has been trying to encourage this since late January, I wonder why it has been stopped?
Blood samples were and are collected each day from tons of people everywhere. Some of those samples were frozen and stored, for many good reasons. Seems to me the presence and timing/history/location of the virus in the population is sitting there ready for an antibody study. If the virus was in circulation months ago, as some here suspect, the study response would help with our actions now.
It is pretty clear that quarantining the whole population does not work. Italy and Spain demonstrate that.
Anecdotes from a doctor in Italy indicate that health workers are the spreading the disease.
S Korea concentrated on infected people and their contacts with some success.
Italy and spain only implemented Quarantines after they discovered it was circulating. To make it worse italy’s firststeps were initially full of gaps and as a result they were initially not effective. So italy’s effort were initially slow and ineffective. Hospitals were overloaded and many doctors got sick because they ran out of protective gloves , masks and other equipment. As a result many died because the hospitals couldn’t help all of the patients. Italy is now approaching 3 weeks or quarantine and things might now be getting better.
In South Korea the first cases showed un one town when one infected individual went to their church and much of congregation became infected. The First thing Korea did was to quarantine the town. And then they quickly ramped put testing and implementing more quarantines as more infections were found. Then when the testing was available they tested as many people as possible and then quarantined those people and people they came in contact with. In south Korea the combination of testing and quarantines worked.
Tiawan also implemented quarantines testing and shut down the airports. They have a lot of travel with China, the rest of asia and US. With a population of 23 million ( about half the size of South Korea). They about 250cases and only 2 deaths.
In short the efvidence from china an korea and other places is hat quarantines and increased testing Do work.
5g and covid 19
http://weatherpeace.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-5g-coronavirus-sickness-mapped-out.html?m=1
I have read reports saying that people who survived the virus later came down with it again, nd only days later were dead! So, how do we KNOW someone is now disease-free? How do we know when it;s safe to take antibodies? This entire idea is rather suspicious.
You can’t believe anything coming out of China except videos shot from citizens phones. They were most likely sending patients home before they were fully recovered to make room for others. The CCP doesn’t give a crap about any of the common folk.
Most “reinfections” are likely to be a “secondary infection” where the patient gets a different
infectious agent before they get over the first illness so it looks like a relapse of the inital infection.
Commonly, patients get a secondary bacterial infection after an inital viral one. The classic example is the 1918 “Spanish “Flu pandemic where most of the deaths were from secondary bacterial lung infection
(this was before antibiotics, and Staphylococcal lung infections have a very high case fatality rate).
btw, there is data to support quarrantining for Influenza, but the major point of the Rawl’s post is thaat we lack the data [due to lack of test kits, thanks to the CDC & FDA] to make truly informed decisions on this coronavirus.
Maybe its time for the young and healthy to actually go on spring break. Just keep them locked in for 3 weeks. Then let them loose to work and shop.