‘No New Fracking’: Biden Calls For High Speed Rail To Move US Away From Oil Drilling

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March 15, 2020 10:17 PM ET

Former Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday night that there will be “no new fracking” projects if he wins the presidency in 2020.

Biden promised during CNN’s Democratic debate in Washington, D.C. to stop new fracking projects after his presidential rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders, drilled the former vice president for not being tough enough on the oil industry.

Biden also suggested that he can transition the country away from fossil fuel-powered transportation and toward “high speed rail, taking millions of automobiles off the road. Making sure we move in a direction where no more drilling on federal lands.”

Biden made similar arguments during a December Democratic debate, telling moderators and audience members that he is willing to sacrifice thousands of blue collar jobs in the fossil fuel industry to tackle climate change.

“The answer is yes,” Biden said in response to a question about such a sacrifice. (RELATED: Biden Says He’s Willing To Sacrifice Hundreds Of Thousands Of Blue-Collar Jobs In Oil And Gas)

“The answer is yes, because the opportunity, the opportunity for those workers to transition to high paying jobs, as Tom [Steyer] said, is real. We’re the only country that’s taken great crises and turned them into enormous opportunities,” Biden added.

The former vice president went a step further at a Dec. 30 town hall in New Hampshire.

Biden spoke about “holding them liable for what they have done, particularly in those cases where your underserved neighborhoods and … you know the deal,” at the town hall, referring to what should be done about oil executives.

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Spetzer86
March 17, 2020 6:19 pm

I assume Styer will be contributing that $1million per person in the USA the news reporters were talking about to retrain these workers for the high paying jobs. Just as well have him cover the illegals, too.

Scissor
Reply to  Spetzer86
March 17, 2020 6:40 pm

Mike Bloomberg too!

commieBob
Reply to  Spetzer86
March 17, 2020 7:56 pm

How about you can’t train the displaced workers to do new jobs in renewable energy. Those jobs are going to be complex. Jordan Peterson is blunt about the role of IQ in employment and economic success. link

The left thinks anyone can be trained to do anything. That’s just wrong. Period.

If anyone can be trained to do anything, then the forgotten people are the authors of their own misfortune. They should all just get off their asses and go get a four year degree from Harvard or MIT or some place like that. Yeah, right.

History tells us that the vast majority of those people displaced by Biden’s hair brained scheme will never again have jobs as good as the ones they lost. They will just swell the ranks of the forgotten people.

The left thinks their problems will be solved as the bitter old Republican-voting white people age out of the population. The left helped to create those people and they continue to create them. The left is guaranteeing that there will always be supporters for President Trump and whoever comes after. Apparently there’s an endless supply of bitter old people betrayed by the Democrats.

Nimby
Reply to  commieBob
March 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Are you unaware of all the science and engineering that goes in to planning, drilling and completing oil wells? Not to mention the mechanical savvy that it takes to keep an oil rig running? I don’t think it will be a problem to train oil field workers in to renewable energy. The problem is that these “high paying” renewable energy jobs pay considerably less than the oil jobs that they would replace. Just search for wind or solar engineer salaries and compare them to what petroleum engineers make.

commieBob
Reply to  Nimby
March 18, 2020 9:35 am

And then there’s roughnecks.

Most roughnecks start out as roustabouts (unskilled laborers) and within as little as six months of a job well done, they can become a roughneck.

It only takes a high school diploma, passing a physical exam and being dependable to enter the oil rig deck crew as a roustabout. Roustabouts perform jobs such as cleaning the deck, maintenance, painting, and assisting roughnecks. link

Nimby
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 1:56 pm

Then there are Vestas production team members from indeed:

“Qualifications

High school diploma or general education degree (GED); or one to three months related experience and/or training; or equivalent combination of education and experience.
Strong natural ability to work in teams, high degree of adaptability & flexibility, strong desire to learn new skills & knowledge, excellent work ethic, dependability &dedication to team/company, personal desire/value to produce quality work, and ability/desire to work as a craftsman with hand tools.
Competencies
Ability to read and comprehend simple instructions, short correspondence, and memos. Ability to write simple correspondence. Ability to effectively present information in one-on-one and small group situations to other employees of the organization.
Ability to add, subtract, multiply, and divides in all units of measure, using whole numbers, common fractions, and decimals.
The physical demands described here are representative of those that must be met by an employee to successfully perform the essential functions of this job. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions. The employee must frequently lift and/or move up to 10 lb., and occasionally lift and/or move up to 70 lb., as well as occasionally push and/or pull with up to 70 f.lb. Specific vision abilities required by this job include close vision, distance vision and when assigned to NDT (nondestructive testing) the ability to differentiate colors. While performing the duties of this job, the employee is frequently required to use hands to finger, handle or feel; reach with hands and arms above shoulder level and at shoulder level; climb or balance; stoop, kneel, crouch, or crawl and talk or hear. The employee is frequently required to stand and walk and occasionally required to sit.“ https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=3d7e166b0802954a&from=serp

Nimby
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 2:05 pm

In my experience roughnecks that last more than a couple weeks have a wide breadth of mechanical and technical knowledge such as diagnosing and repairing diesel generators. Plus they work half they year and pull in at least 70k a year.

commieBob
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 6:49 pm

1 – I’m pretty familiar with oil patch folks. One of my prize possessions is the tin hat, manufactured by the BF McDONALD CO of LOS ANGELES, which I’ve had since childhood. My favorite humor column used to be Crude and Refined.

2 – It isn’t that easy to get a job as any kind of engineer. Only about 30% of the folks in Ontario, Canada who have the requisite degree actually work as engineers. link

How long do you think it would take to train a petroleum engineer to become an electrical engineer? My guess is about two and a half years. Plus, for a change of scope that big, I wouldn’t be surprised if the college didn’t make you redo the work experience requirement.

Retraining people and having them successfully move into new careers is nowhere nearly as easy as some folks would have you believe. BTW, I spent the last half of my career educating people who might, with luck, and hard work, and the right connections, get the kind of job that would qualify them, a couple of years later, to become professional engineers.

Michael Montgomery
Reply to  commieBob
March 17, 2020 9:58 pm

You are dumber than creepy Joe.

gbaikie
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 1:55 am

“The left thinks anyone can be trained to do anything. That’s just wrong. Period.”

Apparently, anyone can be a politician.

Biden could not qualify for any job with the requirement of a modest amount of judgement, but, Dems are nominating him for US president.

Biden is the uber example of a glass of water with a ‘D’ on it.

And Uber would not hire him.
He does not know where he is.
And he is far too old and incompetent to drive a car.
Probably, doesn’t have driver license. And
he could not, legally, get one.

fred250
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 3:18 am

“go get a four year degree from Harvard or MIT”

Many of these are people who really CAN’T do anything !!

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  fred250
March 18, 2020 3:56 am

fred250 – March 18, 2020 at 3:18 am

Shur nuff, ……… Harvard gave Obama his degree …… didn’t it.

Philo
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 11:00 am

I’m one of those older people(never thought of myself as white instead of purple) democrat. I’ve been forced to vote Republican most of the time because of the uneducated, biased, uninformed, power-hungry people the Democrats nominate. The Repubs have their share of this kind of candidate too, but in fewer number and they generally are better educated.

The problem for the Dems right now is the horrible, Socialist, impossible ideas they are putting forward.

As an old saying goes- You can’t fight Mother Nature and win. In this case they are trying to fight entropy with water pistols.

Luke
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 11:50 am

The new energy prices alone will do far more harm to far more blue collar producing class people than the jobs of blue collar producing class people in any one industry. Barack Obama said that electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket. I would take them at their word. What exactly are they going to retrain America’s workers to do and then who’s going to do the jobs that they used to do when they can no longer afford cars and indoor lightning? Retraining is utter BS. It’s as useful as retraining Hunter. Hey, where is Hunter? Neurosurgery school?

John the Econ
Reply to  commieBob
March 18, 2020 12:06 pm

When “education” becomes “free”, I wish to be retrained as a social justice warrior. It doesn’t look all that hard. Then I’ll demand a 6-figure job social justice warrioring. It doesn’t look all that hard.

niceguy
Reply to  commieBob
March 20, 2020 7:37 am

I don’t think attaching panels on roofs is “complex”. It might be physical and dangerous, but not particularly complicated.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  niceguy
March 20, 2020 4:12 pm

“I don’t think attaching panels on roofs is “complex”. It might be physical and dangerous, but not particularly complicated.”

Until the live load on the solar panels from its own weight, wind force, and snow loads when added to the shingle and sheathing load exceeds the carrying capacity of the roof trusses.

You better hope the installer is bonded and that you can find him five years from now when it all collapses. Your house insurance vendor will probably find good reason for refusing to pay for the roof replacement.

This doesn’t even address the intricacies of wiring the installation to last for years while avoiding lightning damage to the panels themselves as well as to your house!

Reply to  Spetzer86
March 18, 2020 10:13 pm

“Former Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday night that there will be “no new fracking” projects if he wins the presidency in 2020.”

Jo Biden, I know much more about climate and energy than you do, and catastrophic human-made global warming (aka “climate change”) is a false crisis. – concocted by scoundrels and believed in by imbeciles. The two terms are not mutually exclusive.

Your green energy plan would impoverish America and cost millions of lives; fortunately there is no fracking way you will be elected, and soon you will just frack off into the sunset.

March 17, 2020 6:21 pm

The only real question is whether Joe Biden is a regular village idiot or is her a cunning liar? However, it could be that he is both. Sanders is only less dangerous as he does not have official Democrat approval.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 18, 2020 4:02 am

Don’t be making bets on Joe Biden being the Demo POTUS candidate, …… the Demo Convention hasn’t been held yet.

Insufficiently Sensitive
March 17, 2020 6:27 pm

High speed rail? From A to B, wowzie! But these enlightened planners are too dumb to recognize that most of us live miles from A, miles from B, and miles from the skinny little line connecting them.

Yet we’re supposed to pay for them. Rather, our grandchildren.

Scissor
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
March 17, 2020 6:42 pm

I can’t wait to take a high speed train to Hawaii.

H.R.
Reply to  Scissor
March 17, 2020 7:12 pm

Big problem. All that salt water tends to corrode the rails.

Editor
Reply to  H.R.
March 17, 2020 8:23 pm

And you have to hold your breath, H.R.

Regards,
Bob

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Scissor
March 17, 2020 10:59 pm

Or to the grocery store.

Alba
Reply to  Scissor
March 18, 2020 3:52 am

A bridge to Hawaii? There must be a joke in that idea.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1018397458

beng135
Reply to  Scissor
March 18, 2020 8:29 am

That would be a bridge too far.

ATheoK
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
March 18, 2020 4:17 am

“Insufficiently Sensitive March 17, 2020 at 6:27 pm
High speed rail?

Yet we’re supposed to pay for them. Rather, our grandchildren.”

Keeping in mind the thousands of families displaced by government who condemns their private property to turn it into inviolate high speed rail.
And the many thousands, who suddenly find their ability to navigate N-S-E-W cutoff by rails claiming absolute right of way.
Making simple trips to shops convoluted exercises in ‘this way/ that way’ insanity.

‘Shut down large businesses, wholesale’;
‘terminate the employment of many thousands for more entitled “rails to nowhere” projects’;

Typical progressive lack of thinking.
Wilfully destroy economic business engines whenever & wherever they desire.

Willem Post
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
March 18, 2020 12:23 pm

High-speed rail, with expensive wind and solar electricity, that cannot even EXIST on the grid without the OTHER generators counteracting the idiotic, random, sporadic outputs of wind and solar, would be a very expensive undertaking, EVEN IF IT WERE BUILT BY CHINA, which has more experience than all of the world combined.

kwinterkorn
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
March 18, 2020 2:11 pm

High Speed rail has sure worked well in California!!

Craig from Oz
March 17, 2020 6:38 pm

High Speed Rail, huh?

So Joe is going to “make the trains run on time”?

Remember, he who controls the timetables control the movement. There is one thing to argue that an affordable method of transport should be made available to all members of the public and there is another to say only an ‘affordable’ method of transport will be made available to all members of the public.

Thinks about it. Nearly everyone here must have had to leave somewhere early in order to still catch the ‘last bus home’ before in their life.

DMA
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 17, 2020 9:09 pm

Remember he will have to make them all run on time when the sun is shining to make the electricity they run on. no promises for after dark.

George Daddis
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 18, 2020 6:55 am

If high speed rail was affordable in the US, we’d have it already.
We can’t even operate and maintain last century’s rail system which provided much better coverage and reliability than we have now.

Only someone who lives adjacent to the Washington DC/NYC rail corridor would think high speed rail was feasible and affordable.

Why didn’t you do this the last time you were in an administration, Joe?

paul courtney
Reply to  George Daddis
March 18, 2020 8:21 am

George: They tried, they really did. Obama’s stimulus package was supposed to provide enough money to get it going, states would only have to pay operating/maintenance. Here in Ohio our D governor Strickland pushed it hard, heavily promoted. After about a year the plan came out, and all Fed money would have been spent on upgrading tracks for existing lines running from Cleveland to Cinci so trains could speed up to, say, 80 mph. Stimulus cash was way short of building hi-speed tracks, and nothing left to buy the actual train cars. It was a joke that even John Kasich got (back when he still had reasoning skills). Strickland still pushed it until Kasich won, and killed the project. Ohioans preferred to fill potholes, and the feds had no money for that. For ordinary folks here, even those who liked the idea, they saw what vast lies D’s were willing to tell to support pet projects. And we’ve had the pleasure of seeing Strickland’s scare tactic (if we don’t get this fed money, it will just go to other states who will have great hi-speed rail and we’ll be left behind) play out in CA. I was encouraged that average folks were not as daft as D’s presume.

beng135
Reply to  George Daddis
March 18, 2020 8:34 am

And just think, almost all that once-extensive rail system, both freight & passenger, was mostly privately owned, built, operated & maintained. Hard to believe in today’s mind-set.

Charles HIgley
Reply to  Craig from Oz
March 18, 2020 10:27 am

““high speed rail, taking millions of automobiles off the road. ”

High speed rail has been so successful (in lining people’s pockets) in California that we should do it everywhere. It is a given that high speed rail would only be between a very few key cities, so this would limit travel, if all we forced off the road. IN addition, running high speed rail across the entire country would be close to building the pyramids in cost and labor.

Does this “candidate” have eany idea how much fossil fuel will be used and needed to maintain these high speed trains. Oh, wait, what will power them?

Richmond
March 17, 2020 6:39 pm

The Village Idiot was a natural, and it is demeaning to all Village Idiots to be compared with senility. What played out at the debate was a sad statement about what is being foisted on the voting public. Throw all the bums out.

(No one takes the Village Idiot seriously. There are some voters who take these two seriously. That is the problem. Give me a good old Village Idiot any day.)

Steve
March 17, 2020 6:42 pm

Good. I hate these cheap oil and gas prices

Donald Hanson
March 17, 2020 6:49 pm

Of course he doesn’t understand what would make the train go.

roaddog
March 17, 2020 6:51 pm

Because electricity is, of course, free.

BobM
Reply to  roaddog
March 17, 2020 7:18 pm

And high-speed rail lines run just great on wind and solar power.

Scissor
Reply to  BobM
March 17, 2020 8:43 pm

No Midnight Train to Georgia.

John Minich
March 17, 2020 6:58 pm

“We’re the only country that’s taken great crises and turned them into enormous opportunities.”. I wish Biden would not remind me so much of what Niccolo Machiavelli wrote in his book The Prince, which, in part, discusses how to use crises to gather enough power to become a tyrant. The politician’s comment of “never let a crisis go to waste” is almost a quote.

Janice Moore
March 17, 2020 6:58 pm

Lol.

And, hey, Smart Guy, while you’re at it,
replace smart phones with walkie-talkies. To save “your underserved neighborhoods and … you know the deal” from SAND mining.

Joe Biden. God’s Gift.

SAMURAI
March 17, 2020 7:34 pm

Biden is an idiot.

He’s suffering from early-stage dementia.

Biden’s handlers are trying to keep his campaign stops to under 10 minutes to limit his gaffes…

The DNC should be ashamed at running someone with such obvious diminished mental capacity..

Joel O'Brysn
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 17, 2020 8:04 pm

+1000

That someone with Joe Biden’s level of dementia is at emerging at the top of the Democrat’s ticket for President of the US says everything about that party and its rot within.

The reason they have got a dementia patient at the top of their ticket is because the Democrat’s lust for political power at all costs has blinded them to obvious truths.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Joel O'Brysn
March 17, 2020 8:24 pm

Biden is the Potemkin Village candidate.

The mainstream media, Twitter blue checkmarks, and Facebook moderators think they have enough power within their sphere of influence that they can erect a facade of competency and intelligence around Joe Biden every time he speaks.

For the most part, only true believers watch the primaries. It is easy to spin his gaffes and rants as deep thoughts to those who want to believe. When “normal” people start watching the general election debates, the nature of that facade is going to be significantly more difficult to obfuscate.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
March 18, 2020 4:21 am

If Joe Biden is elected POTUS it will be the first ever example of AI (artificial intelligence) being the leader pf a country.

Of course, like all other examples of AI, …… the Joe Biden AI will be controlled by DNC selected programmers that will control all of Biden’s actions.

beng135
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 18, 2020 8:47 am

Instead of the Manchurian Candidate, he’d be the Redmond Candidate.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 18, 2020 12:02 pm

Thanks beng, 😊…….. I shudda thought of that.

niceguy
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 19, 2020 3:13 pm

Will Biden get a brain chip implant to answer debate questions?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 24, 2020 8:59 am

“Will Biden get a brain chip implant to answer debate questions?”

“Staplin’ machine Mr. Clarke.” (Monty Python reference)

Russ Wood
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
March 18, 2020 8:57 am

But if Biden rises to the top, watch out for who he selects as Vice-Prez! He has said that he’d like a female Vice (was that the right expression?) – but guess who the Dems might have in mind!

beng135
Reply to  Russ Wood
March 18, 2020 10:50 am

Either Michelle or Shrillary.

Kevin R.
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 19, 2020 11:56 am

The democrat party is the sick man of America.

niceguy
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 19, 2020 12:43 pm

Will Biden have someone else telling him what to say during the debates?

markl
March 17, 2020 7:38 pm

“…because the opportunity, the opportunity for those workers to transition to high paying jobs….” This the Globalization pitch except what really happened was we handed manufacturing to other countries. Like all the help desk/computer literacy jobs that went to India. Or all the clean room electronics jobs that went to China (along with the technology). Smelting? Machining? Clothing? Cars? We are now finding out again that manufacturing is a major driver of the economy. I hope we don’t let it completely slip away.

March 17, 2020 7:40 pm

Doddering old Joe Biden has perfectly awful timing, as usual. Public transportation makes the people it serves much, much more vulnerable to epidemics like COVID-19. If you drive a private car, you can generally go to and from the places you need to go without exposing other people to your germs, and without being exposed to theirs. That simply isn’t possible in train or subway car or station, or a bus car or station.

That seems obvious, yet it apparently hasn’t occurred to Biden. Hyping public transportation in the midst of an epidemic just demonstrates what a shallow thinker he is.

Patrick
Reply to  Dave Burton
March 18, 2020 7:50 am

+1000

MLCross
Reply to  Patrick
March 18, 2020 10:34 am

Biden is obviously a Russian asset. The absolute best way to skyrocket the price of oil and put billions of dollars into Russian pockets would be to ban fracking. That’s why Obama also tried to increase oil prices by delaying pipeline construction and closing areas for drilling.

Tom Abbott
March 17, 2020 7:49 pm

If it was up to no-travel-ban Joe, there would still be Wuhan-virus-infected people flying into the United States.

Democrats like Joe live in a delusional world and it causes them to make bad decisions. We don’t want delusional Democrats like Joe running our lives.

SAMURAI
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 17, 2020 8:14 pm

Tom-san:

Apparently, as of 5 seconds ago, it’s now “racist” to call the Wuhan virus, the “Wuhan Virus”…

It was perfectly fine 5 seconds ago, but now Leftists have made “Wuhan virus” verboten for political reasons..

Leftists are insane.

Janice Moore
Reply to  SAMURAI
March 17, 2020 9:11 pm

And ignorant. Chinese is not a race. Wuhan/China isn’t Asia.

It is China which is, not racist, but, bigoted: as if Chinese = Asian.

Indians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, and several million other people would disagree with their laughably inaccurate arrogance.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 18, 2020 9:55 pm

And Russian, and Arab…

Asian is not a race either. It’s a wildly generalized description that should be done away with.

Paul of Alexandria
March 17, 2020 8:13 pm

High speed rail works in Europe because 1) the countries are much smaller than the U.S., 2) the people tend to be much less spread out and live closer to stations, and 3) they pay $5 per gallon gas tax to subsidize the rail systems. Do these people have any idea how much new rail we’d have to build to use high-speed rail in the U.S.?

SAMURAI
Reply to  Paul of Alexandria
March 17, 2020 11:24 pm

I live in Japan, which has excellent and efficient public transportation systems for the reasons you explained.

Without public transportation, Japan would grind to a halt as Tokyo is a city of 10+ million souls and justone freaking parking lot…

BTW, since Japanese have become somewhat panicked over the Wuhan virus, many Japanese are avoiding public transportation and driving their cars causing epic traffic jams..

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Paul of Alexandria
March 18, 2020 4:34 am

High speed rail works in Europe because 4) …….. ever since feudal times people have lived in towns and cities, ……… due to edicts (laws) and protection from robbers and maundering hordes of destroyers.

It is quite uncomplicated to build railroads over unoccupied farm land.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 18, 2020 10:59 am

“It is quite uncomplicated to build railroads over unoccupied farm land.”

Have you *ever* watched a rail bed being built? It’s not as simple as dumping some gravel on unused farm land, not nearly as simple. That rail bed *has* to be ultra-stable in order to keep the rails from moving and causing derailments. This is especially true for high-speed rail.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Tim Gorman
March 18, 2020 11:58 am

Tim G, …… I know lots about RR construction. I grew up in a RR town and my father retired after 50 years employment of the C&C and B&O RR. A 100 to 130 (loaded) car “coal train” needs a hell of a lot better “track bed” than any passenger train ever did.

And Tim, …… Biden et el is not going to build very many miles, if any, of “high speed rail lines” anywhere east of the Mississippi River, especially along the eastern seaboard because it would likely cost a billion dollars+ per mile. Look up the estimated cost of California’s “train to nowhere”.

Cheers, Sam C

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 18, 2020 4:11 pm

Sam,

“A 100 to 130 (loaded) car “coal train” needs a hell of a lot better “track bed” than any passenger train ever did.”

High speed passenger cars need a more stable platform than low-speed, heavily loaded coal trains.

You are correct, not much high speed rail will be built east of the Mississippi. But not much will be built west of the Mississippi either – the passenger density over the long term simply won’t support it.

1. Air flights can be easily re-directed as passenger geography changes. Not so with rail.
2. The Rocky Mountains, with its snow and ice, are a natural barrier to high speed rail.

High speed rail simply won’t be able to compete with the airlines. There just won’t be enough demand over the routes that high speed rail can provide.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 19, 2020 3:33 am

High speed passenger cars need a more stable platform than low-speed, heavily loaded coal trains.

UH, ….. Tim G, …. You might need to reconsider your above statement.

In the 21st century there are a few countries using powerful electromagnets to develop high-speed trains, called maglev trains. These trains float over guideways using the basic principles of magnets to replace the old steel wheel and track trains. There’s no rail friction to speak of, meaning these trains can hit speeds of hundreds of miles per hour.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/engines-equipment/maglev-train.htm

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 20, 2020 4:35 pm

Samuel,

Even mag-lev trains need a very stable bed for the magnets to work correctly. Elecromagnetic force applied to the train itself falls off as the generating coil tilts off horizontal.

Electromagnetic suspension requires very fine tolerance for the underlying track and reqyures costly feedback systems to maintain stability. Electrodynamic systems don’t work well at slow speeds so they need regular tracks and wheels as well as the electrodyamic suspension itself.

The costs for installing long-haul mag-lev trains would be cost prohibitive. The right-of-way costs alone will guarantee that no government or private investor will ever spend the money. CA can’t even afford the high-speed conventional rail it has tried to build!

tomg
Reply to  Paul of Alexandria
March 18, 2020 7:24 am

Your #2 avoided the real problem with all these fabulous mass transit systems: there isn’t a single one anywhere in the world that pays for itself through the fare paid by the users. In every case, even in high density cities, most of the cost is not paid by the riders. Even in NYC subways the subsidy is 70% of the cost of the ride. It isn’t cheap, efficient, mass transit, until the masses being transported pay the full cost of the ride.

And remember automobile owners do pay the full cost of the vehicle, the fuel and maintenance, and road construction and road maintenance. Mass transit is for parasites.

cuzLorne
Reply to  tomg
March 18, 2020 10:14 am

“And remember automobile owners do pay the full cost of the vehicle, the fuel and maintenance, and road construction and road maintenance. Mass transit is for parasites.”

There are many things in society that are apparently Free! and paid by un-dedicated taxes (from the common pot of all taxes paid):
– most roads (toll roads excepted)
– justice system
– military
– parks
– sidewalks!
(In this modern era, why not put clickers in our shoes and debit our bank accounts monthly?)

So why not follow the Europeans and subsidise all public transit the way we do sidewalks?
Car drivers will use free transit just the way they use sidewalks.
If more people use transit, there will be less road traffic.
Less road traffic = cheaper road maintenance.
Welfare payments could be reduced or not raised.
Cash handling costs could be removed.
Et cetera.

Creativity will be needed for small town & rural areas.

(High speed rail only replaces air travel between major cities.)

JLawson
Reply to  Paul of Alexandria
March 18, 2020 9:23 am

I did a back of the envelope calculation once, based on interstate freeway miles using the major N/S freeways as routes. (I-10, I-20, I 25, I-75, I-95 and the like)

You’re looking at roughly 30,000 miles to get up to a minimal capacity on those routes alone. At roughly $25 mil a mile (based on California estimates before that HSR fail) you’re looking at $750 bil for track. Rolling stock would be easily double that if you want to have any sort of reasonable schedule. (Say, five trains a day, each way.)

It could be DONE, if there were an overwhelming need to do so. Like an alien invasion where they wouldn’t allow ANY air travel at all. But otherwise? No, it’s not affordable and not wanted.

Reply to  Paul of Alexandria
March 18, 2020 2:48 pm

Paul of Alexandria wrote, “High speed rail works in Europe because…”

I think you should have used the past tense: “worked.” Public transportation does not work at all well, now, because passenger trains and buses are disease-spreading nightmares during airborne contagious disease epidemics.

Dio G
March 17, 2020 8:30 pm

So what happens when the voting public (eventually) notices most vehicle trips are too short to benefit from high speed rail? There’s also difficulty carrying your biweekly shopping, etc. home on public transportation.

Nimby
March 17, 2020 8:47 pm

They are always talking about high paying jobs for us oil folk. According to Glassdoor a solar installer in my area makes about $20 an hour. Glassdoor says the average salary for a wind technic is 34k a year. I think I will stick with my blue collar directional driller salary thank you very much!

Geoff Sherrington
March 17, 2020 9:04 pm

High speed rail is useless except for a few favourable niche locations and applications. Here in Australia, some are looking at Sydney to Melbourne, about 800 km with only small towns along the way.
But, small towns need train stops too, but stopping the high speed train too much turns it into a low speed train. People prefer to fly.
Boils down to needing two devoted tracks, one with no stops for high speed between the major cities, one for trains that service the small towns but cannot use the fast line and get in the way.
The logic supporters use is a fail for this and other reasons. Like renewable energy that works for those who close their eyes to huge impediments.
When are we going to get such flawed decision makers out of decision processes, in favour of clear thinking rationalists? Geoff S

GregK
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 18, 2020 1:18 am

Avignon to Paris…approximately 600km and no stops.
Competitive with air travel because there are no stops and you can catch the train in the middle of town.
No need to battle out to the airport.

Wouldn’t be possible if local commuter trains were on the same line.

But the power for the “high speed rail” must come from somewhere.
In France there are lots of of token windfarms but in the background are the nukes.

RLu
March 18, 2020 12:27 am

Push this to your local Congress critter:
If frac’in in the US stops, then the US will have to import crude and methane from Russia. RUSSIA!
Biden is a Putin Puppet!

Technetium99
March 18, 2020 2:08 am

Good one Bidet…Australia’s southern state called “Victoriastan’ has just this week reversed a 6 year old decision to allow the mining for natural gas, 6 years after they banned mining for it….only because the Mexican’s state as we call them are losing industry and forcing gas prices up enormously.
Not smart….grow a brain please !

Harry Passfield
March 18, 2020 2:17 am

Biden spoke about “holding them liable for what they have done, particularly in those cases where your underserved neighborhoods and … you know the deal,” at the town hall, referring to what should be done about oil executives.

And will Biden and the courts allow in mitigation the huge benefits that oil and gas have brought to civilised society.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
March 18, 2020 4:47 am

Probably another indication that in a political campaign candidates will say anything they think will get them votes, whether it makes any sense or even whether they actually believe it.

And this is probably not good timing for Joe. Whatever the final health results from covid-19, the financial impact will be severe. Businesses will close and people will lose jobs. That’s not a good time to promise to destroy another whole industry, throw a bunch more people out of work and raise living costs for everyone still working.

“Green New Deal” my a$$ — more like “Green Leap Forward”.

Tim Gorman
March 18, 2020 4:56 am

I notice that neither Biden or Sanders held up California’s high speed rail as an example of how high speed rail could benefit everyone.

California’s high speed rail experiment *IS* a fine example of how high speed rail would work in the rest of the country. Why don’t the Democrats extol its virtues?

niceguy
Reply to  Tim Gorman
March 19, 2020 12:56 pm

How much energy was used to construct sections of the high speed rail?
How much oil?
How much ciment was made?
What amount of CO2 was emited?

Olen
March 18, 2020 7:13 am

Don’t stop there Joe and Bernie, how about non-flatulent ox drawn carts for transportation.

March 18, 2020 8:47 am

Biden is supportive of Russia’s continued influence on America’s Energy Sources. Russia has been financing efforts to halt fracking in America. And now, with the price of oil tanking, a price war led by Saudi Arabia and Russia is crushing the price per barrel just as the coronavirus is hurting demand, putting further financial pressures on the fracking industry that has elevated America to be a net oil exporter. The world can easily see the EIA data that documents energy consumption in America rising over the last two years from 2017 through 2018 with most of the increase coming from fossil fuels, to the amazement of Russia and the world.

March 18, 2020 9:16 am

Hahaha good one Joe. Pure Genius.

Rhys Jaggar
March 18, 2020 11:31 am

You still have to generate energy for HSR.

Ask him how he is going to do that.

It will not be by windmills, I suspect……

Rudolf Huber
March 18, 2020 3:11 pm

High-speed rail is an economic disaster in most cases. Look at most European railways – they are recipients of mountains of state cash and cannot ever seem to balance the books. Highspeed rail only makes sense on a couple of very short, very high-frequency corridors and those a few, very few. You can always trust a politician to find a way to waste your money.

niceguy
Reply to  Rudolf Huber
March 19, 2020 1:06 pm

“High-speed rail is an economic disaster in most cases”

An absurd take. Train is losing money IN GENERAL. Almost all lines (fast or slow) are subsidized. A lot.

curly
March 18, 2020 5:09 pm

God help us in the US if one of these clowns gets elected in 2020 and appoints Obama- and Clinton- era religious zealots to cabinet, staff and more deep state positions.

China will have won.

stinkerp
March 18, 2020 7:02 pm

Sounds like Biden has assured that there is no fracking way he will win Ohio or Pennsylvania.Or any state in the midwest. Keep America Great Again. Four more years! Still not tired of winning.

Henry chance
March 18, 2020 9:25 pm

We can build wooden boats and cotton sails for our Navy. I live 1 hour drive from rail which has an east bound and a west bound once day around 3 in the morning.

My company has 4 euro and one Japanese rail company as clients. (We helped Enron get into wind)

Bottom line energy per passenger mile is worse for rail than air or Suvs. Unless your train is almost full and your big SUV is almost empty

Trains are very heavy and takes a lot of energy to get them up to high speed. Check Boston Big Dig cost overruns with Cali train to nowhere.

niceguy
Reply to  Henry chance
March 19, 2020 1:01 pm

French historical “TGV” (high speed train) is almost 300 tons for almost 300 passagers (and that’s because (allegedly) the unique design made it small and light weigh), which is nice for those not doing difficult divisions.

Even CNN should be able to do that computations. (I think.)

Jeff Alberts
March 18, 2020 9:50 pm

“CNN’s Democratic debate”

Chris White, if you’re reading this, it should be “Democrat debate”, not Democratic.

phred phillips
March 19, 2020 5:46 am
Roger Knights
March 19, 2020 7:06 am

25 Reasons Joe Biden Shouldn’t Be President
Matthew J. Dolezal, Mar 8 ·
https://extranewsfeed.com/25-reasons-joe-biden-shouldnt-be-president-6036a87feb6d

March 19, 2020 12:43 pm

When Bidden was 21 the Japanese bullet train was big deal. Like most people his views where formed when he was young. High speed rail will go the way super sonic airplanes. Speed was important when being in transit was like being in jail. Now we’re all connected. The future is autonomous individual transport in a 3 dimensional road infrastructure. A little slower but it is point to point and who cares about slow if you’re watching a movie or taking a nap?

niceguy
March 19, 2020 3:11 pm

What’s the future of anti terrorists controls?

Will trains be exempt from the nonsense?

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