Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Climate activists are distressed that their push to make 2020 a big year for international climate agreements is being thrown into disarray by the Covid-19 Chinese Coronavirus outbreak disrupting all the lead up international meetings they normally attend.
How Coronavirus Could Set Back the Fight Against Climate Change
BY JUSTIN WORLAND MARCH 10, 2020 2:52 PM EDT
This year was supposed to be a big one in the international fight against climate change. But the fast spreading new coronavirus disease, COVID-19, is posing a triple-threat to action that could derail the Paris Agreement effort to combat global warming, worried experts say.
The disease is a challenge for climate change action on multiple fronts. COVID-19 has already disrupted crucial negotiations ahead of a November conference in Glasgow that could determine the Paris Agreement’s success in reducing emissions. The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public, weakening political will at a key moment. And it may encourage burning fossil fuels in hopes of restarting the global economy.
“Everybody’s going to be putting safety first right now,” says Matthew McKinnon, an advisor to a group of countries especially vulnerable to climate change. “And whether or not safety first aligns with climate first is going to vary from place to place.”
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To lay the ground for the Glasgow summit, international climate and environmental policymakers planned to hop between a series of important meetings and conferences that would set the stage and, they hoped, allow the world to finally bend the curve on emissions. But, as international travel has ground to a halt, the important work of climate diplomacy has suffered as in-person meetings have become impossible and a series of important conferences have been canceled, from the World Oceans Summit in Japan to CERAWeek, perhaps the most important energy conference, in Houston. The United Nations’ climate body has called off all meetings through the end of April, citing health and safety of attendees as well as the inability to muster a quorum.
Rescheduling meetings has proven hazardous. The Convention on Biological Diversity, which is trying to broker a landmark deal to protect nature by October, moved a meeting from Kunming, China to Rome, to escape the coronavirus. But as the meeting progressed delegates were slowly recalled as news spread of a coronavirus outbreak in Italy. “We left around the middle of the week,” says Lina Barrera, vice president of international policy at Conservation International. “Some people didn’t come at all.”
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Read more: https://time.com/5795150/coronavirus-climate-change/
In 2014 University of Washington academics submitted expense claims for enough airmiles for a return trip to Mars. We can only imagine how the need for academics to fly to conferences has grown, as efforts to clamp down on activities which produce CO2 emissions have gathered momentum, only to see those hopes dashed at the last minute.
Let us hope someone introduces them all to teleconferencing software before it becomes too late to save this year’s climate agreements.
Couldn’t happen to nicer folks!
You might rephrase that to say “It couldn’t happen to more deserving folks.”
Coronavirus is being spread BIGGLEY on the pump handles of self-serve gas stations. Sanitize the pump handle before and your hands after.
MIKE MCHENRY
Divine Intervention?
It will not happen, no one sane is bothered with AGW any more. Italians are ordered to close all shops except food outlets (restaurants closing too) and chemists – pharmacies. Coming soon to the town near you. Forget about danger to polar bears, it is stock market bears that will skin you alive. Have a nice evening.
“no one sane is bothered with AGW any more.”
Which is why they’re using this COVID-19 to stampede the sheeple off a cliff instead and flatline the US economy. Plot by EU, China, and Russia? I wouldn’t bet against it!
Media bailing mega-clix. People enjoy being terrified.
This “pandemic” is about to fizzle out in Europe.
https://climategrog.wordpress.com/2019-ncov-country-cases/
France and Germany have seen new cases plateau in the last few days. Even Italy showed a drop yesterday, though that could be a reporting glitch.
It’s going to fizzle out with deaths be an order of magnitude less than you average annual flu outbreak.
The real danger, like with climate, is what damage the panic and shut downs do to the economy and peoples lives. Exaggerated threats and improbably dangers lead to extremely bad choices being made.
I’m not sure about that, more likely running against testing capacity limit. Nearly 200 people died in Italy in the last 24 h, in the UK testing limit is about 1200/day of which 83 proved were positive today.
Oh, Greg, you are so wrong. This is just starting, and will visit us all, personally in some way over the next 6 months.
It seems now that this virus originated in the USA back around September last year, but the chaotic health system there just completely missed it even though thousands were dying.
Anyone anywhere in the USA is now in big trouble.
Tom Hanks and wife just diagnosed while in Australia, I don’t think they visited China, they clearly picked it up either in the USA or in transit from there.
Expect at least one in fifty people you know to die from this in the next 6 months, and expect in the USA people dying in their homes because of the appalling health system there.
It doesn’t make sense that it could have originated in September in the U.S. with the rate of contagion that is being observed globally. The Wuhan origin seems to be the case.
Hank’s production began filming in Australia early this year. It would appear that he contracted the virus there.
If the U.S. healthcare system is as bad as you say, why then do so many people from all over the world come to the U.S. for medical treatment?
Do you realize that you are mindlessly repeating the storyline planted in the international MSM by the Chinese Communist Party propaganda machine that:
a) there is no evidence that the virus originated in Wuhan or anywhere in China and
b) that the virus was planted in China by the US?
Both falsehoods were comprehensively debunked by the WSJ in a remarkable piece of meticulous investigative journalism a few days ago.
As with CAGW/CACC, be very careful indeed about your sources – propaganda works in insidious ways.
MOD:
I just posted a perfectly straightforward reply to Surfer Dave.
Why is caught in moderation?
Some of the best care in the world is available …. for a price.
That is not the point that was made about the health care system in general and how it serves ( or not ) the US population.
If people can not afford to stay at home when ill and can not afford to get treated when they are it’s no long a case of “I’m alright Jack” , that will have a devastating effect on the whole population as this spreads.
Tetris, CCP propaganda talking points for US press.
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1237349826624466946
You must be looking at different numbers to me.
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
active cases in France have gone from 693 cases 4 days ago to 2221 cases today. (12 March in NZ)
4 days ago Germany had 700 active cases. Today there are 1938.
Outside of China, cases are doubling about every 4 days.
Or maybe the testing is doubling.
Way too soon to make much of such numbers.
Contagion: nothing spreads like fear.
No, the pandemic isn’t fizzling out in Europe.
Italy’s seen 12,149 cases with 827 fatalities, up from the previous 10,149, an increase of 22.8 percent. Pressure on intensive care beds is huge, https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
If you’ve got money, then the US healthcare system’s great, if you haven’t, it’s a disaster.
If it’s fizzling out, why has Trump just banned all flights from mainland Europe?
Anyone can walk into a hospital emergency room in the US and get care.
County hospitals treat anyone. ED Facts
If you’re poor and have no insurance, you get care in a ward rather than a private room.
I think you have it right. Trump is sorting out the deep state and world elite, then Boris produced the big Brexit victory and so the globalists are in panic mode. Like Stalin, Hitler and Mao, they have no problem sacrificing the lives of the poor for their ultimate goal of complete control of the people they despise. Trump 2020 or the western world ill cease to exist.
“they’re using this…”
“Plot by EU, China, and Russia? I wouldn’t bet against it!”
This why the US is screwed – deluded exceptionalism rapidly mophing into its evil twin paranoia. Covid-19 is out of control in the US, not that you’re going to hear that truth from the leader.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
He thinks banning flights from Europe will fix things, um its a bit late for that. Meantime Australia should be banning flights from the US. You’re about to see how unexceptional the US is and what a fraud the leader is. But go on, blame everyone else.
The fraction of population infected in the U.S. is among the lowest of industrial nations. It is slightly lower than that of Australia.
President Trump is correct to ban flights from Europe to the U.S., we will need to slow the infection here so that we can continue to develop drugs and vaccines to ultimately save Europe again.
Saving Europe, lol. Surfer Dave above has it right (“originated in the USA” is a typo I suspect, it obviously began in Wuhan).
The US health system is an expensive joke, paying twice as much as any other civilised country for an inferior system. Americans just don’t realise the nasty surprise they’re in for and the last person to realize will be the deeply deluded Donald Trump.
Loydo, why don’t you go brush your teeth if you have a toothbrush?
Scissor March 11, 2020 at 7:41 pm
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If the U.S. healthcare system is as bad as you say, why then do so many people from all over the world come to the U.S. for medical treatment?
Because, if money is not a problem, US hospitals are fine. But for Merkans with minimal or no health cover, their system is a catastrophe.
“U.S. is among the lowest of industrial nations”
For one reason only – the US has the worst testing. South Korea are testing 10,000 per day, US less than 5000 in 2 months. This level of indutrial incompetence is going to kill hundreds of thousands.
It will be worse than Italy. They don’t have a ‘leader’ calling it a ho ax.
“Loydo March 12, 2020 at 3:22 am”
Of course, you post a comment without providing and supporting evidence. Typical Loydo the Gullible comment.
Martin A, “ But for Merkans with minimal or no health cover, their system is a catastrophe.”
14% of all US emergency room (ER) visits are by people with no insurance. CDC pdf They all get treated.
Sure Lloydo. More nonsense from you.
Loydo. Now you can show us how CO2 has caused the virus.
Such a shame .
Could it be that the corona scare is similar to climate change scare.
1. We are encouraged to take draconian measures to stop something that’s so far percent lower risk of death than one month of driving a car.
2. The threat of corona is totally dwarfed by smoking related deaths, alcohol related deaths,malaria,cancer, heart disease etc.
3. It comes from China, a communist country that was able to totally dominate their own population to limit the outbreak. It still was not limited and spread to the rest of the world, like any influenza outbreak. Just like CO2 spreads.
4. It is hyped out of proportions. So far we have 20 influenza deaths for every Corona death. A very stable estimate from China seems to be less than 3 deaths pr million
5. What if this is like a Normal flu, it has already spread all over the population? This would make the deadliness lower than for the normal flu. In other words a very natural fact of nature that we cannot stop, just like we cannot stop the weather.
6. Because so few people are tested it seems like the death rate is so high. What if the virus is out in the whole population and just 3 in 1000,000 die from it. Then the death rate would be thousand times lower than for the flu.
6. Could the coronavirus argue for a one world government, using the Chinese example with extreme curfews and limits to the rights of assembly?
7. Could be that the coronavirus is quite benign, like climate change, but because of the media each death is looked upon as something horrible?
8. Does Corona take the attention away from more important things, just like the focus on CO2? Governments are willing to use extreme resources on CO 2 reduction while they despreately need money for healthcare and education.
9. Does perception of risk get totally skewed like for climate change?
10. There have been over 10 million deaths so far this year, from all causes. There have been a bit over 3000 deaths from Corona. That means that for every Corona death there have been approximately 3000 deaths from other causes.
11. Some of these causes could be prevented quite easily.
12. Around 2 milion died from starvation, 667 dead for every corona death
13. 54000 women died in childbirth ,16 dead for every corona death
14. 173000 deaths by malaria, 54 dead for every corona death
15. 882000 deaths from smoking, 275 dead for every corona death
16. 441000 deaths from alcohol, 137 dead for every corona death
17. 190000 suicides, 59 dead for every corona death
18. 238000 road deaths, 74 dead for every corona death
19. The one death that most can identify with, is traffic death. We have 7400% higher risk of dying in traffic than from Corona, at least. Young people have higher traffic risk and lower corona risk , so here the risk ratio is extreme. And we gladly go into traffic every day.
20. Follow the money: Panic is not only a great political tool, it is also extremely profitable. The big pharmaceutical companies made billions on the swine flu. They are now soon ready with a vaccine, probably well timed to when the panic peaks. If the vaccine is safe doesn’t really matter. If people get problems like sleeping disorders, they just become life customers for other drugs. Win-win.
21. Moral obligation: just like CC, corona worlds order thinking can be motivated by moral obligation to do something. We may give up many personal freedoms in solidarity with those who might die from Corona. We don’t think of the 10 million who die from other causes.
22. Ironically some global warming could slow down Corona. So maybe the 2 crowds could join hands: keep the temperature low, keep corona going, and infect fellow CC believers by holding hands.
Global warming will save us from the Corona-saurus!
At least the virus has eased the escalating bombardment of climate propaganda.
Regards,
Bob
An ironically sad observation of our times, Bob. While the Wuhan virus is over hyped, it is real and it is killing people. Conversely, the over hyped claims of ever impending doom from the ‘climate crisis’ are demonstrably a fool’s fevered fiction.
It had Grata upset as it is now more important than her.
You should add and is a real problem in everyones lifetime.
Teleconferencing?
Where’s the expenses in that?
They could expense their meals from DoorDash while they stay confined to their office. But where’s the fun in that?
“Let us hope someone introduces them all to teleconferencing software before it becomes too late to save this year’s climate agreements.”
Warmists are deceitful fraudsters. Their CAGW hypothesis was falsified decades ago. No rational person could be this stupid for this long. By now they all know they are promoting a falsehood – a scam.
Their climate mega-conferences are all about their free ride and their big carbon footprint – and expensive meals, booze and hookers.
So the warmist hordes can stay home, teleconference, order UberEats and Dial-a-Bottle… but they still come up short.
A bug delaying their climate meeting boondoggle ……. How dare you 😂😂
Grumpy Greta wasn’t going anyway, Russians during a phone call to the globetrotting HRH prince Harry have leaked confidential report that Greta would like to marry his nephew HRH prince George. Great idea Greta. 🙂
I hear Uncle Andrew would like to have a piece of Greta first.
I am completely baffled by why they need all of these in-person meetings. Surely Solar and/or Wind powered video conferencing would be Greener and much more effective.
RicDre
You said, “I am completely baffled by why they need all of these in-person meetings.” There is no record of what gets said or what agreements are made.
It is more exotic to go to conferences, rather than a Zoom meeting sitting in your apartment with your laptop and the cold pizza that just arrived.
On the downside, business and manufacturing is also slowing drastically down and will probably continue to do so the next year, until hopefully a vaccine has been approved and distributed.
That’s a year to 18 months out.
Someone should introduce them to the delights of video-conferencing.
Isn’t it ironic. A conference purportedly about saving nature from humanity, while much of humanity is rather busy saving itself from an assault by nature.
Live report:
Humanity vs. Nature 0 : 1
There had to be an up-side to the Coronavirus Covid-19 pandemic and looks like it could be the postponement or elimination of the pre-COP26 Climate Conferences. Here a real crisis trumps a fake crisis. Will the Alarmists finally learn about teleconferencing or is that not really the point of the Great Bunfest.
There are some futurists speculating that this could be the end of China’s surge as an industrial superpower. The shutdown affecting 40% of mostly industrial China is making more and more international corporations that have based their manufacturing base there realize now their vulnerabilities to single Chinese manufacturing dependence.
Like Apple seeing its iPhone production cut to nothing. Or computer makers seeing parts supply chains shrivel up.
This may be a re-ordering BlackSwan for global supply chains and manufacturing.
I see in the future a bill stating that as part of the FDA approval for any drug, prescription or OTC, that 40% of its production, including all components, must be US-sourced. Retroactively.
Too early to call it, have still to see what happens to the West’s industrial base. The China’s latest low numbers are stretching credibility, its leaders will accept collateral damage of a thousand or two deaths a month of elderly nonproductive citizens among population of 1.4 billions, in order to keep its industry and army strong and at the top tier of the world affairs.
What an idiotic comment. The Chinese leaders are mainly over 60.
Hi Alex
I don’t know what planet you arrived from but I was born and grew up on a planet that was behind what was ‘Iron Curtain’. My & my family experience tells me that benevolent leaders of authoritarian regimes otherwise known as dictators do not exist and have a very little consideration for their fellow human beings that they can not use along the way to achieve their goals.
China is aiming to be the world’s top industrial nation and next step is to use its strong industrial base to be a military top dog too. China will not simply abandon it by trying to save lives of those who they have no need for.
Next, you might tell me that septuagenarian billionaire Mike Bloomberg abandon his presidential quest in order not to damage prospects of his fellow septuagenarian billionaire Donald Trump.
I shall not label your comment idiotic; Alex your comment is simply naive.
Vuk
I was born behind the ‘bamboo curtain’ and am Russian. At the end of ww2 the red army crossed the border to China looted the family hotel and dragged off my grandfather to a gulag where he obviously died. The Chinese came in later and gave a pittance for the hotel and told us to leave the country with the rest of the foreigners.
You’ve failed to impress me with your scars caused by communism, mine probably are as deep.
I spent 14 years in China and came back to Australia recently. My friends there were all Chinese. I didn’t hang out with foreigners because they mostly seemed to be whiners and losers with mental health issues. I’ve got a reasonable handle on the culture and am quite aware of the good bad and the ugly. I am not a fan of the regime.
The point of disagreement with the logic of your comment was specifically the idea that the OLD leaders don’t care about old people and want them to die. Do you think the OLD leaders are stupid enough to think that they are immune to coronavirus because they are Party leaders?
Hi Alex
I have sympathy for the suffering of your family, however we do see China from different perspectives. As far as I know the Chinese tradition was to look after and respect the old.
I do not think that the Chinese leadership hates old or loves young, they are just pursuing policies that will keep them in power and if aged, the leaders are more concerned with the distorted image of their legacy than ‘collateral damage’ of their policies. Just consider what the Mao’s policies did for both young and old, or more recently Xiaoping’s one child policy.
The latest news from China is that in the last 24 hours had only 19 new infections among population of 1.4 billion. You may believe that, I do not. Either way that kind of announcement is meant to say to home and abroad ‘look, we have conquered this virus, China is open for business, our factories are open, resumption of normality is here and now’.
Time will tell, but we may never know, judging by number of documentaries recently shown on the British TV regarding some aspects of human rights.
China’s army is huge but not very strong.
The PLA doesn’t need grunts anymore. It’s not that easy to be a soldier. It’s all high tech stuff now and they have university graduates as members. The University I taught at produced some of these. The factories that produce munitions are government run, technically, the workers are part of the PLA. They also don’t have the national guard/reservists or equivalent. Numbers of PLA members shouldn’t really be compared directly to the west without adjustments. In the west we don’t count manufacturers of weapons as members of the armed forces.
Joel O’Bryan
I’m not a expert in business, for from it, but even a simpleton like me, wondered why so much of the worlds trade is conducted in china, what if the usa went to war with chin? Everything shuts down, and all on the excuse of cheap labour.
We should never be dependent on another country for the manufacture of essential items!
Oops! Too late.
It’s almost as if real problems like Covid-19 take precedence over imaginary / made up ones, like global warming.
The lord giveth and the lord taketh away! Amen! LOL
COVID-19 has reduced CO2 emissions out of China (and Italy ) in a way that could not even have been dreamed of by the climate alarmaloons and so what do? They whinge about not being able to go to alarmaloon conferences and eject thousands of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere let alone fart out all that methane from the smorgasbords at the concurrent booze ‘n schmooze fests!
They are like toddlers who are stressed because they just need to do a poo but mummy isn’t there to help them through the ‘trauma’
Every year is “this is the year” for the COP crowd. After a quarter century of meetings they are no closer to their goals than they were at the beginning. A few countries have been shamed and harangued into becoming crash test AGW dummies and everyone is waiting to see what happens to them. We, and the alarmists, know it won’t be pretty so the “this is the year” shrill cries continue before the world at large zeros in on the scam.
“crash test AGW dummies”
That would be us here in canada, there very definition of the class dunces of the world.
At the end of January I posted the following, but I may have been
too conservative in my estimate of what is coming:
R.S. Brown
January 28, 2020 at 2:14 am
Glasgow COP26 may not be all that effective given the 2019-nCoV virus will still
be in circulation.
Half the Asian participants will be wearing face masks… if they can find transport
to get them there.
Greta would look weird in a face mask.
“Greta would look weird in a face mask.”
yeah, it’s hard to do that screw up your nose and curl you lip number when you have a 3M mask covering you face. It would also prevent her spitting at everyone in the room.
It will really kill her act.
No she can see the virus it is much larger than a CO2 molecule.
Every cloud has a silver lining!
“Let us hope someone introduces them all to teleconferencing software before it becomes too late to save this year’s climate agreements.”
Let’s not.
All this COVD-19 travel fallout has done is expose the huge waste of resources that goes into worthless climate meetings, that even if they were all agreed on and implemented would do nothing substantive.
It literally IS rain-dance mysticism and voodoo magic thinking that sending vast amounts of money to UN bureaucrats or engaging in trading carbon credits and tax schemes is going to make the weather different in 2100.
“The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public …”
Ya think?
Some repeated past observations now confirmed by new research on CoViD-19.
Mean incubation time 5.1 days with >97% of cases within 14 days. So as said previously, 14 day individual quarantine works. But idiots like the Missouri father/daughter break it.
R0 still looking to be between 2.5 and 3.0 without a vaccine and without quarantine. As US. clusters are showing (Biogen 2 day meeting in Boston being an example), highly contagious from close personal contact (only). Asymptomatic transmission during incubation now widely established.
Virus spread mainly via infected ‘cough/sneeze’ heavy micro droplets and their sequelae. So keeping a 1 meter distance works, unlike influenza. Residence time of microdroplets in air is now experimemtally minutes, not hours. Problem is they settle onto surfaces. New (today) research shows maximum viable Wuhan virus surface residence time is 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel, and 1 day on cardboard (packaging) at ambient temperature. So frequent hand washing and avoiding touching face are the definitely the two most important hygiene protocols other than social distancing.
We can apply previously commented Diamond Princess denominator correction to outcomes (deaths/recovered) to the China data as of today. Good news is ‘only’ 2.8% mortality rate in China compared to likely slightly overstated global stats from Jhu.csse.edu that have progressed from 3.4% last week to 3.7% today. Bad news is we now know from the WHO mission that the Chinese underreported CoViD-19 mortality by only specifying pneumonia, not viral pneumonia. We don’t know by how much. I still think the WHO 3.4% estimate is reasonable. SARS was ~10. Wuhan is three times as infective (because infectious during late incubation) and 1/3 as deadly. That fits a general viral epidemic pattern well,
We also know from WHO China mission that deaths are disproportionately among elderly (>70) or younger with comorbidities: cardiovascular disease (hypertension, atherosclerosis), lung disease (COPD, asthma), or diabetes. If push comes to shove in ICU’s (the 5% based on China that go critical and need ventilators rather than just supplemental,oxygen, that fact will enable reasonable triage.
President addresses the nation tonight at 2100 EDT.
I worry when I read 97%
Well played !!
Don’t be. The China data whence was derived is itself sketchy so the outer bound confidence intervals are hardly ‘gospel’ . But, Other similar corona viruses have similar incubation statistics. And ‘only’ 3 percent outliving 14 day incubation means 97 percent could not. Huge when multiplied out several infection ‘generations’.
Even if a person survives it they can have very serious lung damage from the disease.
Thank you Rud for the info.
Rud:
“on plastic and stainless steel”
About 10 days ago I read that a Copper surface is deadly to the virus.
Need not be much Cu in the alloy.
Haven’t seen any more on this.
Still I got out 5 copper clad pennies and use them as a talisman.
Working well so far!
The point of the article I saw was that including Copper in handrails and other
public touched surfaces might be worth considering.
Apparently, silver has a detrimental effect on viruses, too. Anti-bacterial also. Before antibiotics, people used to put a silver coin in milk to help preserve it.
If it is any good to you, I know that snails and slugs will not crawl over copper, in my garden I have couple of odd ‘delicious’ plants that were nearly destroyed. I use to put slug pellets around but my daughter protested for her dad being ‘horrible’ to the natures creatures. I then put around bits of old 15mm copper pipes and now slugs and snails look for their late night feast elsewhere.
So now we learn that it’s not just one big COP, but a load of semi-COPs, proto-COPs and mini-COPs leading up to the big COP. All attended by international air travel, plus hotels, limousines, restaurants, ladies of the night etc. Heck of a carbon footprint. And paid for by their respective taxpayers.
Of course these people are far too important to do teleconferencing. Not only that, but they need the frequent flyer points so they can get free (or dirt-cheap) business-class flights to their vacations in exotic locales. There are few things that can bolster a relationship with a life partner from a normal middle class background, more than being taken on vacation in the front cabin of a big airliner. I know, I’ve done it (on points of course).
They could easily have a virtual COP (they could call it ROBO-COP) and just replay all the videos of the last COP. No one would notice. The participants are always the same, the agenda is always the same, the outcomes are always the same; climate crisis, unspecified doom awaits us, vague promises to de-carbonize at some point that’s far enough in the future that they won’t be the ones to have to actually do it. And of course griping about the US administration not coming up with $billions to pay for it all.
The complaint used to be that you could never find a COP when you needed one. Now, they are all over the place all the time!
“Now that’s funny right there I don’t care who you are. That there is funny.”
Larry the Cable Guy.
You forgot COP-rolites
or even COP-rophages..
What will the lack of flying and slow down of industry do to the the monthly average hemispheric and global temperature anomolies by the time of the Glasgow conference? Can an expert tell me?
Is that green air liner the prototype for the 737 MAX before they realised the motors were too big to fit under the wings? Seems to be a little problem with the cowling.
That and the line of the wings doesn’t continue past the engines.
What is it with Greens and dodgy modelling?!
But it’s green and it works in the models. Built it!
We’ll let the engineers figure out how.
Don’t they have no real reasons to complain at such times ? How dares they ??
I can’t understand what happens in the room between their left and right ear. Is there only a cave , or a blck hole , an empty nothing ?
For climate stability deniers, passing climate based laws is clearly far more important than dealing with global pandemic.
“The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public, weakening political will at a key moment.”
Funny how a REAL problem can just eclipse a virtual end of the world. How short sighted can you get?