Fun With Lunar Temperatures

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

A while ago, I wrote a post called “The Moon Is A Cold Mistress”. In that post I discussed how the average temperature is not accurate when there are huge swings in temperature. Or to be clearer, I discussed why the average temperature of the moon is much lower than you’d expect given the distance from the sun. Read the post for the full discussion. Here’s the money graph from that post.

Unfortunately, the only data that I had for that post was the temperature from the Apollo mission. I still didn’t have a good measure of the temperature of the entire lunar surface.

Looking around, I found a study called “The global surface temperatures of the Moon as measured by the Diviner Lunar Radiometer Experiment“, which contained the following graphic of lunar surface temperature. This shows temperature around the moon at a single moment in time.

Original Caption: Global instantaneous temperatures of the Moon in (a) cylindrical equidistant projection (ϕss = 180°) and (b) orthographic projection (ϕss = 180°, 120°, and 0°).

Unfortunately, nowhere in the graphic or the article itself did it say what the average temperature of the moon is. So … I had to take a long way around.

The long way looks like this. I took the graphic of the moon temperatures and the graphic of the temperature scale. And after more experimentation than it should have taken, I was able to use the scale to assign a temperature to each pixel in the graphic. What I did was to compare the red, green, and blue values of the color of each pixel to the color scale, figure out which color in the scale it was nearest to, and convert it to the corresponding temperature. What we used to call a “SMOP”, a “small matter of programming”, which is always a bigger matter than you’d like.

At the end of all that fun, I checked my results by printing them up on my usual globe, the Mollweide projection.

Works for me …

Once I’d converted it to temperature, I then converted each gridcell to the equivalent Stefan-Boltzmann radiation and averaged those. This gave me an average outgoing radiation of some 303.5 W/m2.

And this let me check the accuracy of my figures. The lunar albedo is generally thought to be on the order of 11-12%. The results I have give an albedo of 10.7% … I’d call that confirmation.

Finally, to compare my results to those in my previous post, I have:

                                Previous Post     This Post
Temperature by Direct Average        -77°C         -75°C
Temperature by Radiation Average     -2.5C        -2.7°C

Conclusion? Well, at last, I have some real numbers for the lunar temperature. And they confirm that the Stefan-Boltzmann equation does a good job of estimating the lunar temperature, whether we do it by averaging radiation and converting to temperature, or whether we average the temperature directly.

And which of the two ways of averaging temperature is correct? Well, both, or neither. You can use either one, depending on your needs. The underlying problem is that you can’t average an “intensive” variable like temperature … but that’s a discussion for another day.


Here, because we’re just past the full moon the forest is alive at night, and our cat wants to go outside no matter the hour. However, there are coyotes, raccoons, badgers, foxes, and the occasional mountain lion out there, so he has to stay inside at night. Ah well, in the morning I’ll have to let him out. Can’t use a “doggie door”, the raccoons love those, so … they say dogs have owners, but cats have a staff, and I can only agree.

Best of the night to all,

w.

NOTE: As is my custom, I ask that to prevent misunderstandings, when you comment please quote the exact words that you are discussing.

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February 14, 2020 10:55 am

it appears one of my comments to Willis has gone missing here.

February 14, 2020 11:00 am

Willis

I am always amazed at your skills in mathematics. Just like here, in this post. Very good, indeed!
You call it fun. I call any mathematical problem a hassle. Maybe it is because I am bad at it?
Regarding the ‘problem’ with carbon dioxide, I have come at a cross road where I need some assistance to solve a mathematical problem. It involves analyzing the spectrum of CO2, line by line, where each wavelength can be related to a specific amount of quantum energy. The areas of ‘absorption’ are of our interest.
The end result of this analysis would finally prove [at least to me] whether the net effect of more CO2 in the atmosphere is that of cooling or warming.

This is OT here. If you are interested in helping me, is there an e-mail address that I can use to formulate my problem to you?

Ed H
February 14, 2020 6:58 pm

Willis,

Your post rang a faint bell, and after a bit I recalled a series of posts over a Tallblokes place, where he had a series of posts on modeling lunar temperature, and comparing against DIVINER results. The third part even considers the effect of differing lunar rotation rates on the surface temperatures.

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2017/06/06/extending-a-new-lunar-thermal-model-part-iii-modelling-the-moon-at-various-rotation-rates/

Of interest as well is a remark in the comments about using the same approach to modeling Earth’s temperature without an atmosphere:

“ My model estimates the average temperature of an airless regolith covered Earth as 209 K. For an icy surface the temperature should be 234 K. So my GHE estimate is 79 K (regolith) or 54 K (ice)…”

February 15, 2020 1:54 am

Willis,

Great article and great retorts to the fringe fake lunar landings mob. Having had an F4 at 65000 feet, MACH1.6 and on the stall buffet I know what it is like to be ‘at the edge’. I have met a couple of the moon walkers and believe me, they are the most genuine of people with gentlemen’s parts than dwarf my own 🤣.

‘This gave me an average outgoing radiation of some 303.5 W/m2.’ My question is simple – what effect does this have at TOA during a full moon?

February 19, 2020 6:23 am

Willis, I’ll take it that ignoring my comment means you cannot refute it. It takes courage to admit when one is wrong. Roy Spencer who as you know subscribes to the same argument of the Moon being colder than what you think it should be, blocked from comments everywhere to avoid the debate. It is sad to see pride get in the way of advancing science, especially over such major errors within the current paradigm, it is sabotaging progress.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 22, 2020 4:48 pm

“Where have you proven me wrong?”

Obviously by showing that your claim “the average temperature of the moon is much lower than you’d expect given the distance from the sun”, is false.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 27, 2020 6:20 am

I did not call you a coward, you’re just using that as an excuse to avoid my argument, which you can’t even see apparently.

February 23, 2020 3:07 am

Using the model results of Vasavada et al. (2012), Nikolov & Zeller (2014), “On the average temperature of airless spherical bodies and the magnitude of Earth’s atmospheric thermal effect” (https://springerplus.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/2193-1801-3-723), derived a globally averaged surface temperature for the Moon of 197.3 K.

Kramm et al. (2017), “Using Earth’s Moon as a Testbed for Quantifying the Effect of the Terrestrial Atmosphere” (https://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=78836) obtained for the Moon a globally averaged temperature of 197.7 K. These authors already used the data of Williams et al. (2017), “The global surface temperatures of the Moon as measured by the Diviner Lunar Radiometer Experiment” (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103516304869?via%3Dihub) for model evaluation.

Keihm et al. (1973), “Apollo 15 measurement of lunar surface brightness temperatures thermal conductivity of the upper 1 1/2 meters of regolith” (Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 19(3), 337-351), stated:

“From theoretical daytime temperatures and the nighttime measurements, a mean surface temperature of 207°K has been calculated for the Apollo 15 site. A value about 4°K higher would be representative of the Hadley Rille site if there were no occlusion of the early morning sun due to topographic effects.”

The model of Kramm et al. (2017) provided for the Apollo 15 site a zonal average of the surface temperature of 208 K (Kramm, 2020, manuscript submitted).

Reply to  Gerhard Kramm
February 23, 2020 10:11 am

Unfortunately, I produced a typing error. Kramm et al. (2017) obtained 197.9 K, but not 197.7 K.