Friday Funny: Manntastic claims require Manntastic evidence

Queensland Senator Malcolm Roberts of Australia recently gave this speech on the floor of Parliament, because Dr. Mann is in Australia (on sabbatical) making some pretty outlandish claims:

Australia’s Wildfire Catastrophe Isn’t the “New Normal.” It’s Much Worse Than That.

“These are the things that keep us up at night as climate scientists,” says Michael Mann.

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2020/01/michael-mann-australias-wildfires-podcast-climate-change/

Meanwhile: this graph prepared by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg ruins Dr. Mann’s claim of “new normal”.

Senator Roberts would have none of it:

Transcript:

“How dare you, Michael Mann. I used tonight’s adjournment speech to challenge Michael Mann to a debate on climate science. Michael Mann is the fabricator of the completely discredited hockey stick temperature graph and is in Australia at the moment so logistics shouldn’t be a problem.

You come down here pretending you have evidence that CO2 from HUMAN activity affects climate and needs to be cut – when you have no such evidence. How do I know? Easy. You released papers that led to the infamous hockey-stick graph falsely fabricating high temperatures. Despite repeated requests from scientists you refused to hand over your data.

No evidence.

Scientifically, your claims should’ve been immediately dismissed. The state of Virginia’s Attorney General asked for your data from the University of Virginia because your research was reportedly taxpayer funded. Your Uni refused. No evidence. You sued Prof Tim Ball – a real scientist – and then in court refused to provide evidence to support your case.

No evidence.

Didn’t the court find you in contempt?

Regardless, your claim was dismissed. And you failed to provide any evidence yet Prof Ball’s team provided plenty of solid statements from internationally reputable scientists. You are the one in the Climategate scandals who wanted to hide the temperature decline, aren’t you?

Hide the evidence?

You have sued any person that dared to question you – to shut them down. To stop the evidence?

You now say Senator Molan as a policymaker should ask some unnamed great Australian scientists for their opinion – name any with evidence proving HUMAN CO2 affects climate variability.

After 21 years you still have not released data for your hockey stick graph fabricating high temps yet many people have debunked it.

My understanding is that fraud can include the presentation of something that is not true with the intention of personal gain. You claim you were awarded a Nobel Prize.

That is false.

You contributed to the UN’s climate body the IPCC that was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. Note that was not for science. After the UN IPCC was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize it dropped your graph. And if that shonky political body dropped it that really kills your credibility.

You have a record of serially misrepresenting climate, serially misrepresenting science and serially misrepresenting humanity. The use of HC fuels such as gas, coal and oil has liberated humanity and saved the forests and whales that previously fuelled civilisation & Human Progress.

Your advocacy to stop their use is anti-human and anti-environment. It hurts our security and our sovereignty. Your host, the ABC, has been a blind supporter of and advocate for others misrepresenting climate and science – including Al Gore, Rajendra Pachauri, Gavin Schmidt.

People advocating for cutting hydrocarbon fuels have branded those who dissent from your advocacy as climate criminals. I believe that in the very near future it is people like you who misrepresent science and climate who the public will see as climate criminals.

None of you have ever presented the empirical evidence proving HUMAN production of CO2 from our use of HC fuels hurts our environment and future. You’re here in Australia now so I challenge you to a public debate on climate science and the corruption of climate science.

All you need do is provide me with the specific location of the empirical scientific evidence, the hard validated data, within a logical scientific framework that proves cause and effect and I will retract this speech.

I need publication title, specific page numbers. No entity anywhere in the world has provided this: Don’t bother to smear me or get someone to smear me. That not only has no effect on me, I love it. I use it to prove that those who smear only do so because they lack hard scientific evidence.

How dare you Michael Mann. Provide the evidence.”

Josh has his rendition of Manntastic evidence:

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111 thoughts on “Friday Funny: Manntastic claims require Manntastic evidence

      • Brilliant , except that he still thinks “hide the decline” was about hiding a drop in temperatures. Pretty basic mistake, made an refuted hundreds of times. It’s so infuriating, on the rare occasions that someone gets up and makes such a speech, that they blow it by make such stupid ill-informed claims.

        • If you believe that trees are thermometers, then they WERE hiding a drop in temperatures. So Mann must believe that temperatures were falling.

          But you and I know that what he was REALLY hiding, is that trees are rotten temperature gauges, and any temperature reconstruction based upon tree proxies is a load of hogwash….

          Ralph

          • Mann and the others knew damn well what they were hiding, and they knew it wasn’t a drop in temperatures.

          • Jeff, my understanding of it is that Mann was using his tree-ring proxies to equate ‘temperature’. It is the decline in this ‘temperature’ that he was trying to hide and that, when people talk about hiding the (temperature) decline it is the proxy temperature to which they are referring and not the thermometer temperatures which were rising at the time.

        • Unfortunately Roberts is not sharp enough for this job. Good on him for doing it but he is a bit sloppy with his facts and is too busy chasing the ”there’s no warming” line rather than the ”it’s all happened before and it’s nothing to worry about” line and that will end up embarrassing him and he’ll lose credibility.

          • Malcolm lost me when he voted for the passing of a ban on most two stroke motored equipment to help reduce CO2 emissions .
            He said afterwards he was duped but Cory Bernardi warned him about the true purpose of the legislation and went along with it anyway .
            He is a thorn in the side of the greens though I’ll give him that .

    • Malcolm Roberts is indeed a rare politician. He is an engineer and thinks like one, evidence, facts. He is a rare voice in the Australian parliament where the vast majority believe people like Mann, “because they are scientists” A few years ago he brought Dr Tim Ball out to address politicians outside the parliament on the scientific evidence. Few turned up and media present were mostly negative. I watched it all later on video. Very impressive. Our country would be building coal fired power stations like China if the pollies had attended.

    • ‘There’s no such thing as bad publicity ‘, Mann is not stupid, but again he is not a very clever man either.
      When he went to Russia’s Yamal peninsula if he took a compass instead of a chain saw he could have learned:
      a) the rise in temperatures in the last 40 or so years was nothing exceptional
      b) N. Hemisphere’s temperatures only in the last few years exceeded temperatures reached in the 1940-50s.
      c) hiding decline 1950-70s was a misrepresentation of natural facts (as I see them)
      It’s all shown here: http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/YamalMF.htm
      (magnetic data from NOAA)
      🙂

      • “When he went to Russia’s Yamal peninsula if he took a compass instead of a chain saw he could have learned:”

        He didn’t go to Yamal. You’re conflating things like the Senator did. Yamal and The One Tree were Briffa, not Mann. Briffa didn’t go to Yamal either, he just used the results of cores that others gathered.

        • Hi Jeff , thanks for info. I was figuratively speaking, even if he did go he most likely would not have taken a chain saw and a compass would not tell him anything about the past. btw I put there little emoji to show it is tongue in cheek comment in ‘Friday Funny’

  1. Bravo to Malcolm Roberts.

    Thanks, Anthony, for posting this. It was refreshing.

    And thanks, Josh, for the laugh.

    Regards,
    Bob

      • Damn, and there was I thinking it might have been a convict ship he arrived on …..

        (Just kidding Aussies …)

      • He will be in the company of good friends:
        https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2015/04/german-greenshirts-parachute-parkville/

        “Two groups that like to out-vie each other on climate catastrophism have linked arms to give the Australian public and taxpayers a double dose of the scares. Melbourne University and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) have formed a Melbourne-based joint graduate body called the Australian-German College of Climate & Energy Transitions. It has 16 multi-disciplinary PhD students, none pondering the 18-year halt to atmospheric warming. Expect lots of Melbourne/Berlin tripping and jetliner contrails.”

  2. Very direct, to the point and accurate speech exposing the fraud being put on an entire nation.

    He will probably be called every name in the book for exposing the truth. From the looks of him it will not bother him a bit.

    • “Very direct, to the point and accurate speech exposing the fraud being put on an entire nation.”

      Not so accurate. He makes the mistake that many do, that “hide the decline” was about hiding a decline in temperatures, it wasn’t. It was hiding a decline in tree ring proxy reconstructions, not measured temperature. It’s a common, but important, mistake.

      • A matter of semantics. The decline was of the temperatures imputed from the tree ring proxies. The hockey stick graph was temperature vs. time.

        • Not really. It hasn’t been established that tree rings can reliably track temperature. It’s a point that can be used to discredit the senator’s speech. People will say he doesn’t understand what really happened.

          • It involved Trimming out the inconvenient Temperature Decline indicated in Low Resolution Tree Ting proxy data that began in 1950’s and Splicing in Ultra High Resolution Thermometer readings. Like taking a barrel of oranges and covering the top 2 layers with Apples and declaring See Apples.
            Mixing Low Resolution and High Resolution data sources was about the only brilliant thing Dr Mann did

          • Tree rings do not accurately reflect temperature. Most of what they reflect is precipitation, but there are many other factors. See “Divergence”.

          • “It’s a point that can be used to discredit the senator’s speech.”

            That’s like “debunking” the claim that Moon landings could not happen because radiation exposure (one the very few anti landings claims that are not essentially insane and trivially refutable by a 10 years old, but merely incorrect), because that claim rests on NASA own measurements of radiations around the Earth (by probes), and Moon landing refuters don’t trust NASA; a “debunking” that shows that most “debunkers” are not really into logic or consistency.

            [My trip into that area on YT gave me the impression most pro and anti Moon landings were at the same level of ineptness – being right about the one fact (like Moon landings happened like NASA told) doesn’t make you less inept.]

            You can only discredit his speech by assuming that tree don’t measure anything. Which was his whole point.

            That’s like “curing” the flu by dropping nukes on patients.

            But most people have zero idea what they are even claiming, esp. in economy and law. That’s why they are terrified by IA, and probably rightly so. They are so incompetent a silly computer could take their jobs.

          • “That’s like “debunking” the claim that Moon landings could not happen because radiation exposure (one the very few anti landings claims that are not essentially insane and trivially refutable by a 10 years old, but merely incorrect), because that claim rests on NASA own measurements of radiations around the Earth (by probes), and Moon landing refuters don’t trust NASA; a “debunking” that shows that most “debunkers” are not really into logic or consistency.”

            Its not like that at all.

      • Jeff,

        Absolutely correct. It is amazing how many people still do not understand what “Hiding the decline” really means. Someone in Oz should give the good senator a quick refresher (before the debate – I’m dreaming very likely – with Mann).

        • Evolution of language.
          Some common wards in every day use once meant something different, many examples available on the web.
          In my comment further above I used ‘hide decline’ for the temperature data. I’m happy with it and I do think it is very appropriate and think that many readers will understand it’s newly acquired meaning.

          • It’s not a “newly acquired meaning”. This has nothing to do with the evolution (misuse) of language. It’s about getting the details right.

          • Jeff
            ‘Hide Decline’ it’s a great phrase, I only wish someone will come up with a noun of the equal beauty to describe those who wish to abolish LIA or 1950s-1970s decline of the NH and global temperatures, and some other examples.
            ‘Hide Decline’ phrase is now used or understood apparently ‘incorrectly’ by many ranging from frivolous ‘armchair experts’ as myself to the Australian senator Malcolm Roberts.
            Your is a noble effort, but possibly waste of time, to educate us a bit more ignorant to get all the facts right, we now live in the age of the ‘Alternative Facts’.
            Have a nice weekend, we here in the UK in the next hours are expecting an ‘unprecedented’ Atlantic storm.

        • “It is amazing how many people still do not understand what “Hiding the decline” really means”

          What the Senator should have said was, “Because the data didn’t agree with your cause, you hid it.”

      • It’s much worse for Mann than merely hiding inconvenient data, it was hiding the fact that ancient trees trunks are worthless as thermometers (temperature proxies) – which seems to be at the core of Mann’s alleged professional expertise.

      • We know what the decline is about, and whether it’s about proxies or temperature is irrelevant. There is no way that Mann is going to argue this point or bring up climategate.
        Do you think for one moment that Mann is going to stand up and say “When I said ‘hide the decline’, I meant…..”?
        A non technical person is not interested in some finer detail, they will just hear “hide….”. Hiding something is not a good thing.

        • With respect, I don’t think it’s irrelevant, and again, it can be used against the Senator to say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about (which he apparently doesn’t, in this respect).

  3. Salute!

    C’mon Senator!
    You can tell us how you really feel !!

    Gums sends…

    P.S. 100 “attaboys” and ditto for Josh

  4. Great speech. I’m not going to hold my breath till Mann agrees to a debate.

    Mann toke sabbatical in Australia when he lost his lawsuit to Tim Ball and was ordered to pay Ball’s legal costs.

  5. While in Australia he (Mann) might want to get an appointment with the climate psychologists for some therapy. They have prominent (unprecedented) ones there.

    • He should go to the Netherlands. There he can have a consult with an ‘expirenced professional climate coach’. Just what the shrink would order.

      • And he can also pursue his “toke sabbatical” in the cannabis cafe. Mann has to be smoking something to come up with the stuff he slings!

  6. “These are the things that keep us up at night as climate scientists,” says Michael Mann

    Yeah, like what will become of you when the “woke” finally wake up, when the MSM stops covering for you.

    • He was given a friendly interview on the taxpayer funded ABC. Made outrageous statements which were enthusiastically received. The ABC is the country’ leading climate change advocate. Interesting how they knew he was in Australia.

  7. Refreshing, a YouTube video without an Alphabet-attached disclaimer linked to the Wikipedia “authority”.

  8. Shouldn’t the bag of shredded credibility be larger? 😉 Oh wait, maybe it should be much smaller since there was never any credibility to begin with.

    • There are already 3 bags and another in the shredder. Looks good to me.

      I’m trying to wrap my head around the cute purple outfit.
      Any help with that??

      • I took it to be a nod towards David Ike-ism, He was a religious cult figure of his own making and lover purple for some reason. Worth googling him up, I could not describe his particular lunacy adequately here. Her is just like Mann is so many ways.

    • In the urban dictionary of US language, there is the word “blivet”, which is defined as 10 pounds of sh*t in a 5-pound bag. It means “A situation so vile no matter how well you deal with it you will still get dirty.” (source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blivet )

      By all rights, Michael Mann with his hockey stick graph qualifies as a blivet, albeit a exceedingly large one.

  9. The whole alarming climate change agenda reminds George Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’. In that story, the leader kept a few dogs as a pet to scare the opposition. In climate science, some young scientists are similarly groomed. Mediocrity climate scientists are promoted and mentored to take up that vision. These new generations are shamelessly promoting that agenda. In twitter, you can see how laughable those scientists are and how shamelessly they are involved in flattering their leaders. This is because that level of patronising will bring them huge funding, several prestigious awards and many more. Good scientists who figure that problem out are punished heavily and thrashed by ruining their careers. Independent body may secretly scrutinise that. Some hard-working scientists also have the fate like Boxer the Donkey from that story. When I watch Animal Farm I find so much resemblance!

    The Wind Mill in that story is like Carbon Budget and controlling CO2. Just play with the emotion of common people and make them understand and convince how important it is. How scary the situation is! With our current level of model-based knowledge in complex climate science, we can never control our nature. What a wastage of the whole proposition is.

    Really good to see such a speech. A major step forward to unveil the major scam of the world’s history.

    • “Major scam” ??

      It’s not even close to its big daddy progenitor – Socialism is really, really good for poor people.

      Just a subset, and minor blip in the above failed, but ongoing scam of stupid people.

  10. How dare you 😂😂 He slapped greta straight away.

    ipcc, shonky political body. 😂 Goodness me, this man is utterly brilliant, I love the Australians, uk politicians would never have the balls to state the truth like that…

  11. Meanwhile a tiny virus has accomplished what Greta and Mann have been pushing for–50,000 flights canceled in Asia, population control, and slower carbon consumption.

  12. When will Senator Malcolm Roberts give a speech at the next climate conference? Or is he not invited?

    How dare you, indeed–I would love to see a debate between Senator Roberts and little Greta Thunberg!

    • Hoping Senator Roberts will speak outside the protection provided by the Senate. Lets see MM take him to court in Australia.

  13. Just a thought.. is Mickey being paid for his media appearances whilst in Australia? Does his visa allow him to work?

  14. You’ve got to love those Aussies. As far as I can see there isn’t a single Canadian politician with the intelligence or courage to seriously examine AGW claims.

    • Senator Malcolm Roberts isn’t the only politician in Australia willing to speak up in regards AGW claims in Australia BCBill. Craig Kelly had a run in on air with British journalists whilst discussing AGW issues.

      If there are any scientists out there willing to give them some polish in their delivery and getting the facts straight, I have no doubt that they would be willing to put it out there.

  15. The Australian fires of 1974/75 should be remembered. Over 240Million acres burned. That was when we were entering into the Great Imaginary Ice Age.

  16. Greta Thunberg wants us to listen to the scientists, but I think there is more knowledge to be gained by reading their private emails.

  17. I am not a psychologist and am making no diagnosis in this comment. But here are the signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) according to the website linked below.

    https://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder/

    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
    In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

    –Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    –Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    –Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    –Requires excessive admiration
    –Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    –Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    –Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    –Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
    –Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    Wikipedia states the NPD and egomania share some symptoms, but the two differ in the way the individual reacts toward others…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egomania

    With all of this said, I will leave it to the reader to decide.

      • I don’t think Mann is going to go there again ……

        …. and Steyn isn’t even over with him yet. I have visions of a wolf thrashing a carcass around on that one.

    • Although NDP may align a bit with GT and MM, I think you are putting them in a too narrow cage. MM is just a well educated fanatic and pedant. GT is just a somewhat immature poorly educated teen.

      By the way, my neighbor tells me GT is currently in Lapland, telling the people there, close to the North Pole, they must start living the way the prehistoric natives lived – no more snow scooters, only use Rudolf with the red nose as transport, etc. I never see Swedish national TV, so not exactly sure of her exact wording.

    • “Requires excessive admiration”

      Huh, reminds me of a lot of football players I see. Some of them require admiration after every play, even when they are three touchdowns behind. If they make a tackle they jump up and act like they just made the greatest play in football history. Yeah, but you’re still losing the game, fella. Perhaps your celebrations are distracting you from doing your best.

      But I don’t think we have mass Narcissistic Personality Disorder going on during the football game, although there is some of that, but it’s mainly just “follow the leader”. Everybody want to be cool and that’s how you do it on the football field.

      I wonder how much time football players waste working up their “excessive admiration” routines? I’ll bet it amounts to quite a lot. A lot of thinking has to go into it and they have to get all their moves down pat. I guess I wouldn’t qualify as a football player nowadays because I wouldn’t take part in such antics, so I guess I would be a social outcast.

      A little celebration is alright but it’s getting to the point of ridiculousness. To the point of being tiresome and off-putting. At least, imo. And that applies to the players on my favorite teams, too. I think they ought to focus on the game more, and less on themselves and their attempts at public recongition. If you are good enough, you will be recognized. If you are not good enough, no amount of exaggerated celebration will make you better.

  18. Mann has a commentary piece, about the Aus wildfires, in The Guardian.
    ————————————————–

    I enjoy taking climate deniers to task but here’s the question Q&A should have answered (By Michael Mann)

    A fact-based discussion about the crisis and prospects for addressing it would serve ABC viewers better

    I was excited when the ABC asked me to be a panellist on a special bushfires edition of Q&A, the season opener for the Monday night program here in Australia.

    But as the event grew nearer trepidation grew as well. Foreshadowing the trouble that might lie ahead, the ABC had to move the event not once but twice, from the initial site of Bega on the south coast, because of imminent fire danger.

    Read the rest at:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/i-enjoy-taking-climate-deniers-to-task-but-heres-the-question-qa-should-have-answered

  19. BTW this Mann donkey is the go to man for the DEMs every time they are looking for a scientist (?????) to decipher their CAGW for them.
    What does this say about the DEM fools if this clown is their popular choice? Think about it?
    And if he was so sure of his evidence or data why didn’t he have the guts to take on Dr Ball? Instead he threw in the towel, perhaps Steyn has some very fertile ground to peg out whenever the case proceeds?

  20. A problem is Malcolm Roberts isn’t a great debater in person. Jo Nova or Rita Panahi, would be the go.

  21. The BBC TV programme ‘Climate Change – the Facts’ further wrecked David Attenborough ‘s reputation and paraded Michael Mann in a transparent Climategste whitewash. He is still A Disgrace to the Profession iaw Mark Steyn’s 100 world class scientists

  22. I once had the audacity to send Dr Mann a private email as to why he failed to give the courts access to his data. He then publicly printed my mail on his blog sites saying that he has “outed another troll” and then he contacted the company that I worked and put pressure on them to question my actions, I suppose he was hoping that I would get sacked. He really is a piece of work.

    Here is his contempt for the courts who haven’t seen it: http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/07/05/fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

  23. Nobody takes Malcolm Roberts seriously- he’s a nutcase. Hilarious seeing him humiliated on Q&A a year ago by Brian Cox.

    By the way Anthony, are you *seriously* suggesting that more area of Australia was burned by bushfires in previous years? This is why nobody important takes you seriously.

    • Brian Cox is the climate alarmist poster boy of the BBC, no one who has studied physics takes him seriously. He should have stuck to playing in a band but I guess he saw there was more money to be made in spreading propaganda.

    • Steve, you’re obviously easily impressed by theatrics if you think Cox “humiliated” anyone.

      And Anthony doesn’t say it, the data does. (Or don’t you like facts?

  24. CD in Wisconsin, you have nailed it perfectly. I have commented on WUWT a few times about Michael Mann’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), as evidenced by the incident in which he called the supervisor of the NJ NOAA/NWS WFO to complain about an employee’s Area Forecast Discussion, in which the employee jokingly referred to termites. Mann wanted to insure that this kind of ridicule of AGW would not happen again. This was micromanagement of his “realm” and a perceived slight to his expertise, and his completely irrational reaction underscores the severity of his symptoms. Charles H’s unfortunate run-in with Michael Mann is another tip-off of his significant psychological disability. Of course, Michael Mann talking to that WFO supervisor was an example of two like personalities, so who knows how that conversation went! Narcissists are certain that they, and only they, are right, and everyone else is wrong; and, if anyone disagrees with them, the person who disagrees becomes the enemy. In fact, the aforementioned supervisor said that very thing in a meeting: “I’m right, and you all are wrong. If you want to know what’s wrong with this office, just look in a mirror.”

    If I were waging a lawsuit against Michael Mann, I would definitely want the input of a mental health professional who was highly experienced in NPD. Unfortunately, diagnosing those afflicted with NPD is difficult, as one must have a fairly long period of time to observe the person and his or her behavior, actions, and reactions, Also, most narcissists are very clever and can hide their symptoms by explaining that it’s always THE OTHER person who’s at fault. There is no question in my mind that Michael Mann suffers acutely from NPD, and the world is much worse off because of that.

  25. Wow! I would vote for this legislator for anything, including president of the U.S. even if he is an Australian. What a great speech. I only wish we had people like that in office here.

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