Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The Guardian has declared 2019 the year they defeated “climate denial”. But nobody in the green movement has any idea what comes next.
Climate change denial was defeated in 2019. But what comes next won’t be easier
Defeating the climate crisis is just the beginning of the struggle – and tough political choices will have to be made
Will 2019 be remembered as the year in which climate change denial was defeated? The global climate strike, Greta Thunberg’s meteoric rise to international prominence, as well as several high-profile international conferences and reports – all contributed in putting climate skeptics on the back foot.
Even Donald Trump, who previously claimed that the climate crisis was a “hoax” invented by China to hold back American industry, has recently begun to brag about all his administration has done to address it. Following suit, the rest of his party is scrambling to develop a coherent environmental platform, more in line with their electoral base’s shifting views.
But the next steps in the global fight against the climate crisis remain far from clear. In the speech she delivered to US Congress in September, Thunberg maintained: “No matter how political the background to this crisis may be, we must not allow it to become a partisan political question. The climate and ecological crisis is beyond party politics. And our main enemy right now is not our political opponents. Our main enemy is physics.”
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We already see this new politics taking shape in emergent debates over competing proposals for addressing the climate crisis. Bernie Sanders’ and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez’s respective versions of the Green New Deal are very different from the proposal for a European Green Deal recently put forward by the new president of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen.
The first approach wants to connect the issue of the climate crisis with social justice, and advocates for a massive expansion in the role of the state to manage the transition to renewable energy. The second approach treats the issue of the climate crisis in isolation from other social and political issues, and proposes market rather than state mechanisms to address it.
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These decisions cannot be taken by purely technical or scientific means. On the contrary, the fact that the environmental movement has so far remained the preserve of a small technocratic elite has done more to invite populist backlashes than to further its own goals.
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/29/the-climate-movement-is-about-to-get-more-political-and-thats-a-good-thing
The climate movement didn’t win in 2019, they won a long time ago. With a handful of exceptions like President Trump, Prime Minister Tony Abbott, and President Bolsonaro of Brazil, for the last decade at least there has been an almost seamless genuine global political consensus on the need to address the climate crisis.
Why hasn’t this political consensus translated into real climate action?
When Greta Thunberg said “Our main enemy is physics.”, for once she was spot on. The renewable solutions the climate movement advocates are impossible. Other greens are aware of this problem; Bill Gates tried and failed to solve the problems. David Attenborough advocates a renewable “Apollo Programme”, to attempt to solve problems which he knows are currently insurmountable. Trump hater Michael Moore tried to investigate what was stopping the green revolution; Moore found a dark swamp of lies and corporate greed, in the last place he expected.
Eventually voters will tire of believing in a climate crisis which never manifests. But until then, I see the main role of climate skeptics as trying to contain the economic damage caused by ruinously expensive political climate follies.
When trillions of dollars are at stake, doubt, even a small doubt, kills the sale.
Spot on, well said, that really sums it up.
Eric should have included some election disasters for the climate alarmists – such as “the climate change election” in Australia, which )shockingly) yielded a simple majority for the conservatives and the subsequent opening of the second largest coal mine on earth in Queensland.
Fact is, it’s been a bit of a breakout year for the skeptics.
Correct Frederick. No matter how heavy the propaganda and psy-war, the Green fanatics STILL can’t convince the adult population anywhere to embrace economic suicide, crushing austerity and back-breaking taxes at advance a Green Climate Agenda.
No one one the side of fanatics knows how to break the impasse aside from dictatorial coercion. Trouble is, as long as there are elections the Greenies will be defeated. And the fanatics know it. Which drives them bonkers. The tide may change in five-ten years as Boomers die off… until then the public can’t be convinced to let the crazies fleece them.
Have they reached the stage where they declare victory and go home?
Do you remember when the debate was over? Do you remember when they had the debate?
MarkW
Who denies that the climate changes?
They do. They refuse to admit that temperatures during the Holocene have been much higher, sea level much higher, glaciers much smaller etc. Most of them don’t even realize Earth is right now in an Ice Age situation.
Propaganda solves everything in their virtual reality.
“Climate Denial was Defeated in 2019” …..
I agree ! The socialist left wing Eco-Terrorists that deny the “Climate Change” of the past have lost their last supporter in the White House ! Ivanka calls it quits…FINALLY !
I deny that humans are the primary drivers of climate change, or even responsible for the majority of CO2 in the atmosphere. Someone please inform the green movement about me.
Well sir, you are quite wrong: I notice you don’t have any evidence to support your quaint politically inspired ideas…
He is correct since humans emit so little of the yearly total, that it doesn’t even push the yearly emission rate upward.
`Please enlighten me. When Did St. Greta address the U.S. Congress. Answer. Never! The Guardian can’t even get recent past events correct. Man the Europeans are the most gullible people on the planet.
Watch “Greta Thunberg testifies to Congress over climate crisis – watch live” on YouTube
https://youtu.be/icKlNgLuqzU
It was a committee hearing. It wasn’t “U.S. Congress.”
A House Committee hearing run by Democrats.
Robert, you are correct. They can’t get the past or present correct or, they wouldn’t have said this.
“Even Donald Trump, who previously claimed that the climate crisis was a “hoax” invented by China to hold back American industry, has recently begun to brag about all his administration has done to address it. Following suit, the rest of his party is scrambling to develop a coherent environmental platform, more in line with their electoral base’s shifting views.”
The Guardian is woefully inaccurate about Trump. Trump is big on clean air, water and fighting pollution and the US is already the world’s leader in doing all of this. I have not heard him say one word that indicates he thinks CO2 is a problem and, certainly not one which he is willing to bankrupt the US and the US economy over.
Electric Utility Emissions Continue to Decline Through 2018
http://bit.ly/2Pe0rWP
“…Due to policies and economic technology, emissions from electric utilities continue to decline. According to an EPA report, sulfur dioxide emissions declined by 92 percent between 1990 and 2018, nitrogen oxides emissions declined by 84 percent between those years, ozone season nitrogen oxides declined 83 percent between 1997 and 2018, and carbon dioxide emissions declined by 24 percent between 2005 and 2018. The large reductions in emissions occurred despite increasing output from U.S. electric generators. Electric output increased by 19 percent between 1990 and 2018.
…Americans now enjoy the cleanest air many of them have ever experienced, and all signs point to increasingly healthy air, even as the United States has become the largest oil and gas producer in the world. The future of energy in America is bright; our air is clean and getting cleaner every day.”
The US is one of the few if not only countries on track to meet the (useless and expensive) Paris Accord CO2 targets despite Trump pulling us out of it.
U.S. Cuts ‘Global Warming’ Gases Faster Than Anyone Else, But Media Ignore It
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-cuts-global-warming-gases-faster-than-anyone-else-but-media-ignore-it/
In addition, Trump recently did this.
New DOE and NRC Agreement Will Lead to Faster Deployment and Licensing of U.S. Nuclear Technologies
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/17/new-doe-and-nrc-agreement-will-lead-to-faster-deployment-and-licensing-of-u-s-nuclear-technologies/
No AGW/CCer who opposes nuclear is serious about CO2 being an existential threat to this planet.
Had They Bet On Nuclear, Not Renewables, Germany & California Would Already Have 100% Clean Power
http://bit.ly/2OLNbfg
Well, yeah. They voted in Communists, Nazis and Fascists in the last 100 years and today they are being overrun by Muslims and they do nothing. They are Eloi. They are pathetic and they will disappear.
The Brits are doing something, Thatcher saw the rot in the 1990’s and tried to object, she lost her job for that. BoJo had better deliver given the Brits have voted THREE times to leave the EU, the third time with a clear majority that Remoaners have been calling for, but backfired on them.
The EU central bank’s quantitative easing (QE) policy is an indication the Euro currency and the whole zone is crashing. Last year, IIRC, the EU central bank QE injected over 2 trillion euros in to the EU economy, printing money the EU does not have to try to prop up the EU zone economies.
And if he doesn’t they can darn well have another election.
Brits won’t have long to wait, 32 days. Cameron the bottler and May the ditherer both failed with a sufficient mandate form voters. Under BoJo, the Brexit deal is to be done by Jan 31st with a massive majority in Govn’t.
Sorry to spoil the party, Patrick. It’s all a continuing con, as has been the case for 45years. The only thing that happens on 31st January 2020, is that the UK ceases to have any representation or say in the EU, on anything. No veto; nothing. But the rules go on; nothing changes. We are still paying in; still subject to the European Court of Justice; still having our fishing waters plundered. We have another year of wrangling and brinkmanship over a possible trade deal. Boris’s Treaty is 95% May’s surrender deal/vassalage treaty.
When trillions are at stake … lots of palms can get greased. We’re doomed.
Kenji
However, the Palm (Palmolein) from Malaysia is a No No from UE under the pretext of Climate change !
Don’t you just love the Germans-
“Motorists in Germany are banding together to oppose climate activists’ calls to limit the use of cars. Politicians are taking them seriously because, unlike the Fridays for Future movement and its leader Greta Thunberg, most members of the Fridays for Horsepower group can vote.
The response has been overwhelming. The closed Facebook group already boasts more than 540,000 members”
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/fridays-for-horsepower-german-motorists-oppose-fridays-for-future-a-1290466.html
And there are what – 80 million plus Germans?
No doubt had the same nimber of Germans signed up to some idiotic CAGW initiative you would be delirious with joy.
There is only 61Million registered voters of which generally only 70% turn up to vote. In the 2017 election that was 46,976,341 and recap it took months to cobble together a coalition to rule
Here is the timeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_German_federal_election
Election => 24 September 2017
Government formed => 7 February 2018 Grand coalition forms government
Any major shift of voters is a problem in Germany and we will only really know what effect this has in 24 October 2021.
Germans love of both cars and driving has long been known to be the third rail for those who would challenge it 🙂
Let the resistance (As was expected) COMMENCE! This comes off the recent BoerenProtest in the Netherlands……people are fed up! Resistance is here! Join the fight!
“When Greta Thunberg said ‘Our main enemy is physics.’”
Yes, physics is the weapon that will destroy the alarmist movement.
Good one.
Yes, those damn pesky facts getting in the way of Gretins’ fweelz…..
Find out why CO2, in spite of being a ghg, has no effect on climate: https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com
Discover what does affect climate (96.7% match with measured 1895-2018) at http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com
Trump’s right. It’s a hoax. Just because folks tired of arguing with idiots about it, doesn’t mean they won the argument. It just means people have better things to do. Much better things.
even the “war” is BS…..stop trying to argue the science….they won the science the second they blamed everything….
Show them what a $c@m the implementation is…..how it’s the very countries that get paid….are the ones increasing emissions
If they truly believe in global warming they should be blaming China….and the rest of the developing world
Let them try to get China to reduce emissions…instead of blaming us…that will be fun to watch
Yep they’ve built a climate juggernaut. It’s sailing head first into the shoals of failed renewable energy promises.
Even James Hansen, thinks renewables are useless and, so does Michael Moore, of all people.
“Suggesting that renewables will let us phase rapidly off fossil fuels in the United States, China, India, or the world as a whole is almost the equivalent of believing in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.” – James Hansen (The Godfather of global warming alarmism and former NASA climate chief)
Hansen, a True Believer in AGW is ever there was one, is on-board with Nuclear and, thus, is no longer a darling of the AGW/CC crowd.
James Hansen ON NULCEAR VIA YOUTUBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXq79YeqZAg
Michael Moore-backed Doc, ‘Planet of the Humans,’ Tackles ‘False Promises’ of Green Energy
August 9, 2019
http://bit.ly/2tbCTuB
Gibbs, who produced Moore’s Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch brothers — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their glass production business.
“It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us … but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money … It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center…”
Hansen and Moore are like broken clocks.
Here’s a link to a good review of “Planet of the Humans”.
On the one hand, the movie does point out that renewable energy is a fraud. On the other hand, it posits that we’re extracting the planet to death. It says the resulting collapse of civilization will make WW2 look like a kids’ party.
Abolishing capitalism is not the answer. Any proposed alternative is even worse, much like renewable energy as a solution to anything.
Buckminster Fuller pointed out that we use technology to do more and more with less and less. He called it ephemeralization. The process is happening. Per capita, our resource use is going down. By some measures, our resource use is decreasing in absolute terms. That’s not going to stop unless the greenies are allowed to wreck the economy.
Some time this century we’re going to pass peak people. Our footprint on the planet will inexorably decrease. All we’ve got to do is to not mess up in the mean time.
“On the one hand, the movie does point out that renewable energy is a fraud. On the other hand, it posits that we’re extracting the planet to death. It says the resulting collapse of civilization will make WW2 look like a kids’ party.”
Bob,
My point was that renewables are so bad and useless, even Moore and Hansen hate them. I was not trying to say that either of them had seen the light and are now skeptics. I think most of us here know that if there were not trillions to be made off the renewables scam via tax credits, subsidies and buying off politicians to deliver, same and if there were not so much power to be gained by those who hate capitalism and democracy, the entire AGW/CC CO2 is evil meme would quickly fade away into the dust bin of history and scientists would get back to doing science as science instead of turning science into a money making, career enhancing endeavor to “prove” CO2 and only CO2 controls Earth’s temperature.
With the True Believers such as Moore and Hansen, I’ll take what I can get and those two, at least, even if they don’t know it, have hit at one of the main engines driving CC.
Anything that can bury renewables which are impoverishing people and keeping poor people in places like Africa poor, devastating the environment, ecology, habitats and killing Earth’s threatened and endangered species, is good by me even if it does come from losers like Moore and Hansen.
Thanks for the movie review link. That’s very interesting.
One thing that I like to give as an example is the longevity and fuel economy of cars. In the 1950s a popular car was the Ford Prefect. It was a tiny car with a 3 speed gearbox and a side valve engine, by modern standards it was painfully slow. At the time the fuel consumption at 30 mpg was thought to be commendable. These cars usually died an early death due to crankshaft failure. Modern cars have better fuel economy, performance and, if cared for, will do hundreds of thousands of miles before having to be scrapped.
That is a really excellent article summing up of the totally futile Green Position The voters will eventually relegate the belief in a climate crisis to the Too Hard Basket. They will move on. Meanwhile containing the Green Economic Damage is the main game in town now until the Green political climate follies fade away.
Until then “The people imagine a vain thing”.
You missed out one of the stupidest parts of the Guardian article.
Just after saying that physics is the enemy, it says that Greta Thunberg’s approach is “a new form of denial”!
It’s not new. It’s the same denial of physics that’s been a tool used by alarmists and projected against skeptics ever since the controversy arose.
“Our main enemy is physics”, Greta Thunberg to the US Congress, September 2019.
Quote of the year from Time magazine’s Person of the Year. Beautiful. Just beautiful.
lotsa folks dont realise that being Time magazines person of the year is not necessarily a plaudit. That Hitler guy got the title sometime back in the 30’s 🙂
The Gaurdian is in.denial
The Guardian is the Baghdad Bob of English speaking world and climate change is their leader.
“They are not near Bagdad. They are trapped everywhere.”
“They hold no part of Iraq.”
Our forces are pushing them back. Into the swamps.”
“There are no infidel Americans in Bagdad. Never”
https://youtu.be/vC5UTUAxgpE
Someone should put a video together of their
Climate denial defeated aka peak hysteria aka time for everyone to be proven wrong.
“Trump hater Michael Moore tried to investigate what was stopping the green revolution; Moore found a dark swamp of lies and corporate greed, in the last place he expected.”
So I click on the WUWT story linked to in the comment above. “Michael Moore-backed Doc, ‘Planet of the Humans,’ Tackles ‘False Promises’ of Green Energy”. I see that this paradigm-shifting expose on the “green energy” scam debuted in August 2019 at the Traverse City Film Festival, and was touted at the time by leftist bullhorn Michael Moore as “…perhaps the most urgent film we’ve shown in the 15 year history of our film festival.”
I go to the webpage for the movie (planetofthehumansDOTcom), where I see that, after debuting at the Traverse City Film Festival in August, it has apparently been shown … NOWHERE ELSE.
“I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who wanted to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore said. ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.”
Well, it looks like this movie has been memory-holed, ignored, and swept under the rug with all the other “inconvenient facts” that the “green movement” deems counter productive to whatever their end goal is. Pretty urgent indeed, Mr. Moore. St. Greta cries a tear with your name on it.
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“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.” ― Winston S. Churchill
I checked for availability of it on DVD, Blu-ray, etc. I got one hit on Blu-ray but when I went to the site it said “It’s not yet available, check back”. I wonder if Moore himself is keeping it off market because he fears backlash from erstwhile friends.
Let’s hope that the Guarniad will be just as disappointed about their climate dreams in 2020 as they were about their Brexit dreams in 2019.
Climate denial was defeated only in the sense that it never actually existed. They created a make-believe foe and proclaimed a make-believe victory over that foe.
The real enemy to the fear mongers is reality. They just can’t seem to get around that, no matter how much make-believe they do!
The UN IPCC SR 15 states that the goal of net zero emissions by 2050 “would require unprecedented changes in our lifestyle, energy and transport systems”, effectively a global economic and social revolution.
Does anyone think that we are presently in a global revolution of this nature?
No private vehicles, restricted air travel, worldwide veganism by 2030, massive culling of agricultural herds, exploding bureaucratic regulation of lifestyle choices etc.
To say nothing of the $122 trillion required to be raised from private and public sources to “combat climate change” this century( UN Special Report on 1.5 degree Warming).
You only have to list these facts for the public to realise the green project is politically and economically unachievable.
I think Climate denial has been defeated.
And its chief protagonists – Thunberg and Ocasio Cortez, are now complete laughing stocks.
Whats the expression?
They jumped the shark?
If climate were a problem, then full blown nuclear would be the only working solution.
The green don’t like this inconvenient truth.
Bingo!
We defeated climate den!al! WOO-HOO! We won! Skeptics have no voice now. Next is for the world to give all power money and control to us so we can begin the next steps.
Thunberg was a tremendous PR move. Good for them. Nothing much will change. We still have the economy to worry about, along with China, immigration, debt, crime, you know, actual concerns.
The vast majority of people do not see or feel anything different in the climate that hasn’t happened before. They’re tired of the hype and wish it would all go away. The failure of any government to successfully launch a carbon tax is the writing on the wall for Climate Alarmism because it deprives the perpetrators of their ultimate goal…. wealth redistribution and control of economies.
“The failure of any government to successfully launch a carbon tax”
See: Canada
I wish it had failed but it did not.
“our main enemy right now is not our political opponents. Our main enemy is physics”
And statistics
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/11/16/agw-issues/
And reality.
Statistics has been declared persona non-grata in the climate change community.
Actually their biggest opponent is History, which is why they keep trying to rewrite it.
LOL! The Guardian declares victory! They think they defeated skeptics because they censor all comments from them on their forum. The country with the largest economy on earth becomes a net exporter of fossil fuels and opts out of the so called “Paris Accords” and is led by a skeptic and the Guardian declares victory over skeptics. What’s next? Will the guardian declare the remainers to have been the winners of the Brexit fight?
“They think they defeated skeptics because they censor all comments from them on their forum.”
The Guardian ought to lift their ban on skeptics and then they would realize they haven’t won anything.
Only losers (alarmists) ban the other side (skeptics) from the argument.
If the alarmists had a viable climate change argument, they wouldn’t need to ban skeptic comments, they could just humiliate the skeptics with the facts. The problem is the alarmists have no facts and don’t like that being pointed out, and that’s why they ban skeptics. Alarmists are Losers. Running and hiding from the facts. Covering their ears like a child so they don’t hear something that will disturb their preconceived notions.
Perhaps someone could ask Anthony what the membership and viewing figures are for this site?
I mean if we ignore the fact that no sceptic ‘denies climate’ in ANY way, then what they are trying to do is declare victory over sceptics who defy their Religion… right?
So that would mean we sceptical types are vanishing from the scene. Instead of getting more numerous.
This is just the corruption of PR. We see it in polls where, IF you can get to see the questions, it is clear they are ‘leading the witness’ by the quality of questions asked, the wording and the order in which they ask them.
This is just another leg of how to fail in PR.
What they are doing is trying to convince the non-aligned that ‘everybody’ has their AGW beliefs and so they hope to bring those undecideds into alignment with the fascists’ agenda. Most people will vote according to how they perceive those around them will vote.
Which is why polls have moved away from trying to track the intentions and instead try to create them.
And also why they are now failing spectacularly in their prophesies.
So, that’s why COP 25 was such a rousing success. Their work was done!
Moore found a dark swamp of lies and corporate greed, in the last place he expected.
That was in August 2019 and since then crickets. Looks like the militant greens got to him just like they got to the Africans who want fossil fueled power stations.
‘Eventually voters will tire of believing in a climate crisis which never manifests.’
That remains to be seen, but there are plenty of political mcguffins with considerable staying power that frequently seem to be put down but then rear their heads once again with each rising vegetation: “capitalism is evil/socialism is the answer,” “the population bomb,” “Big Medicine/Pharma is ripping us all off,” and so on.
There are often enough voters roped in that you can get a Barack Obama elected to the highest office in the land, running on long-since discredited declarations against “corporate greed” and big government as the answer to all that ails us.
I wouldn’t count “we have only a few years left till it’s too late” out just yet.
I didn’t say they would go away, they’ll move onto a new scare. Same solution, different problem.
Indeed. Just as the “coming ice age” required man to reduce his industrial activities/embrace expanded government control of our lives only for “Global Warming” to take it’s place, with the same solution: Man reducing his industrial activities/embracing expanded government control of our lives.
Defeat?
Student holidays in the square all over the world who know nothing about the climate with a girl who became famous only because she was placed in front of the cameras?
Philanthropist-funded antisocial activists?
Politically speaking they have been badly defeated so far.
The only thing we have seen is that the United Nations is in crisis.
Guterres makes faces of s ** t with his statements about the end of the world.
The US Democrats are in a credibility crisis and are now abusing the American Constitution to create a desperate personal impeachment.
The Guardian likes to win easy.
When President Nixon met First Secretary khrushchev for a round of golf, Nixon handily beat khrushchev. The next day, Pravda reported that khrushchev had come second and that Nixon had come second-last. When a deeply socialist newspaper is called “Truth”, you know that the truth is the last thing they will be reporting.
So when a deeply socialist newspaper is called “The Guardian”, you know that the truth is the last thing that they’ll be guarding…
Hold the Green Blight accountable for economic damage… resource mismanagement, environmental corruption, and ecological equivocation.
… and negligent homicide.
The belief in the theory or not was never the problem. It’s the world domination, destruction of capitalism, reverting to living like they did in the Middle Ages and handing over all one’s cash to countries that use it to further murderous regimes that is the problem. Nothing changes until a rational, reasonable solution is put forth, even if it is true CO2 is raising temperatures. Bulldozing the planet to save it is never going to sell, at least not until every child is so stupid they are incapable of independent thought and the adults that cared are all deceased. We’re not that close right now—there are too many “anti-climate-cult” demonstrations and nothing really changes. For every Greta, there’s a Yellow Vest, etc. As cuts and insanity increase with the Cult, so will the resistance. It’s not the science, it’s the politics.
Carlo claiming victory, doing his best Iraqi Information Minister impersonation.
Nice one Grauniad, the straw man hung drawn, quartered and burned at the stake.
Nobody actually denies ‘climate change’ occurs, ice ages, little ice ages, Maunder minima and Roman or Mediaeval warmings etc and I don’t imagine anyone actually denies climate so defeat for these imaginary ‘deniers’ is more a work of semantics as against one of science.
But that is about the level of the great Green Blob and its acolytes.
Many alarmists seem to deny it. Their view is that any change is bad, and caused by humans. That, is climate denial.
I am a climate change catastrophe denier (which is a perfectly good word and, in my case, more accurate than “skeptic”) and yes, climate change denial has been banished from most media outlets. Denying that fossil fuel use will cause a climate catastrophe is now like denying that all races are equal, or that homosexuals have the right to marry, or that people should be forbidden from smoking in public. You’re just not allowed to say it. If you do, people don’t even get angry with you. They just roll their eyes at each other, secure in the knowledge that everyone here knows that you’re stupid and wicked.
But fellow climate change catastrophe deniers, time is on our side. Ten years from now, when global sea level has risen another inch (oh, the horror!) and millions of people still live in Texas and Florida, having neither drowned nor starved nor baked to death, and when Exxon is still immensely profitable, people are going to figure that they’ve been had. And you just watch the great wind power experiments in Germany and Ontario come a cropper.
Even Justin Trudeau knows that he can’t raise the carbon tax. (Why can’t any of these people pronounce the word “dioxide”?) Climate change mitigation is itself mitigated by economic and political reality.
I was born in 1952, and for much of my life I was told that global nuclear war was imminent. As years went by, and then decades, and no nuclear wars happened, that particular monster under the bed was found to be imaginary. And that’s what will happen with anthropogenic climate change. You just watch.
Note that the Guardian journos are obeying the editorial diktat by calling ‘global warming’ ‘global heating’. Etc On the weather page they record today’s CO2 level and state350ppm to be the ‘safe level’. Ludicrous but nice to know. When will we be back down there. I wonder.
Article was in the Guardian. Enough said. Few people have any knowledge of history. Climate change in the past: Greenland settled around 1100AD with cattle and dairy farms, disastrous weather shifts as it moved from Medieval warm period in the 1300s to Little Ice Age, disastrous floods, blazing summers or bitter winters, all recorded in chronicles. Also young people recruited then by the Church to proclaim disasters due to human sin (Extinction Rebellion, St Greta etc). Climate change and disasters have always happened, due to solar system patterns, sun, cosmic rays etc etc etc. IPCC has declared its main aim is not environment but redristu=ibution of money via “carbon taxes” etc.
Not surprising. Leftists believe in the power of words to alter reality. A man can become a woman by simply saying “I am a woman.” Hillary Clinton can become the smartest woman on the planet. Socialized medicine can lower costs and improve care. Banning the internal combustion engine will save the planet. Earth is in dire peril from too much carbon dioxide.
Reality sucks. It’s so HARD. Video games are so much more fun. Words have magic powers that result in good things happening immediately. It’s EASY.
The Guardian: “Climate Denial was Defeated in 2019”
The Guardian.
Wrong about Everything
All the Time
still wainting for a definition of climate denial..
from there…
The first 3 items on BBC R4 9 am news today were all climate change related.
That sort of narrative is constantly present now and indicates climate change is mainstream accepted science and recognised as an urgent problem.
The events and actions of 2019 – not least the Australian fires – firmly established there’s a climate emergency and that the science is sound.
No use you contrarians barking into the wind any longer: the world’s govts, financiers and industries are proceeding along the path of climate action… the ship has sailed
Clueless again Griff. How many fires were started deliberately and how many were started in a national park that has no fuel load management?
Sailed to where Griff? Renewables don’t actually work, so all they can do is waste money.
We know for a fact that science is no participant in the climate frenzy, Griff.
The insistent narrative indicates climate change is mainstream accepted BS and deliberately foisted as an urgent problem.
Adventitious events do not establish the soundness of science.
Your climate confreres of the lie, the chops-licking socialist tyrants-in-waiting, the cynically opportunistic politicians, and the pseudo-scientists pushing their false narrative are all headed for a big fall.
Some of the latter deserve serious prison time because their deliberate lies are directly responsible for thousands of excess winter deaths.
And you colluded in that, Griff.
And yet Australia isn’t going to change anything shows you what we care about your climate emergency 🙂
Link if you need proof
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/scott-morrison-rules-out-changes-to-governments-climate-change-policies-amid-bushfire-crisis/news-story/eca3f65457902d834e033ec30f153c4c
I guess the greens can try and beat the issue up before the next election due before 2022 and see if they can actually manage to increase there vote … I have money for they lose ground especially if XR keeps protesting 🙂
Actually we probably do have a response we will export record coal and gas in 2020.
‘Guardian’ is becoming a synonym for ‘delusion’.
My advice to WattsUp readers: you’ll have a better 2020 if you just stop reading the Guardian or articles reporting what it prints… you’ll be much calmer and your blood pressure will be lower.
Ha ha ha, that is funny, but actually Guardian shows how demented CO2 sniffers really are, which is a source of amusement for many.
laugher is the best medicine for reaching “calmer” with “lower blood pressure”, so if anything you should be encouraging us to read more of the unintended comedy that they try to pass off as news.
What parting of mocking and laughing at did you fail to understand?
Griff The Guardian is the climate comedy segment.
Isn’t WUWT a fantastic website, Griff? Year after year you post here and disagree with what the articles and most posters are saying and yet you are not banned for saying what you want to say.
Yet try doing so at the Guardian and your account is disabled. Five times in my case with my longest stint being 6 weeks and my shortest being 5 days and all for disagreement. I finally stopped creating another account at the Guardian because I realised the posters consisted of gatekeepers like rockyrex, Erik Frederiksen, Jules Bilgewater and such who had been there for years, many low status attack dogs and finally doomsters attracted to the Guardian Monbiotic narrative who really believed that the world was going to end somewhere this century in enormous conflagrations and tsunamis. It just wasn’t worth it. Many posters over the years with good sceptical arguments have suddenly disappeared. I believe HotScot went the same way for persistently asking for empirical evidence of AGW and the warming properties of CO2.
This is the the best time for life on this planet that has ever been and still you want to moan.
Get a life or maybe you should get another planet.
Maybe the Guardian bans contrarians because it is scared of the truth whereas WUWT does not because it is not scared of lies.
On the reverse of that try posting a contrary view on the Gaurdian comments.
Yeah they are a bastion of Freedom of expression 🙂
“watt comes next ”
Perhaps educating the great unwashed in climate history ???
The entire subject has sod all to do with climate.
The climate isn’t changing, it’s still raining somewhere, snowing elsewhere, and blowing a hooly somewhere else.
The alarmists were wailing about temperature change, until they realised it wasn’t as bad as they thought, so began promoting it as something touchy-feely and much bigger, which can never be defined, pinned down or solved.
So, was born ‘climate change’.
HotScot. Well said.
There is weather which anyone, anytime, anywhere can experience and record it.
There is a human construct called ‘climate’ which we define as average weather over a given period in a specific region.
The definition of climate already contains the property that is can change over time.
We only need the terms weather and climate. Climate change is a bogeyman term and is an unnecessary distraction from reality.
GRauniad must be really desperate if they’re publishing stuff that silly. Thunberg is a one-off. Someone else will take her place and lead this non-existent Crusade, with no idea where they’re going.
I’m hoping for a nice, normal summer with lots of dragonflies active in the air. I would love to see a swarm of them, and maybe some grasshoppers, too, invading an XR protest, but that’s just me.
This rather lame effort to throw the entire world into a panic attack over nothing, and destroy a thriving economy (except for those already destroyed) is not working out very well for them , is it? As so many have pointed out, if you take away the electronic junk, THEY won’t have access to it, either. It’s easy enough to just shut it down, and THEY are as dimwitted about how it works as anyone else who takes it for granted.
” … Climate change denial was defeated in 2019. …”
lol … ‘defeated’ … their figment … Victory! 🙂
Heh, yeah. Invent a bogey man (“climate denial”) and then declare victory over that bogey man (“climate denial defeated!”).
The Guardian isn’t the first to declare victory and hope somebody believes them.
Every Guardian article and Greta Thunberg speech is a massive victory for “climate denialism” (whatever that is).
I don’t think they have addressed the issues I have proposed. They have failed yet to address the science on climate I have proposed.As I have shown in my papers the solar irradiance AND solar wind determine the temperatures in earth. People usually forget to look at solar wind when they look at the sun. They only take into account the solar activity and solar irradiance. As I have shown the solar wind is decisive. It manipulates the geomagnetic field and cloud covering. Temperatures oscillate according to the sun. By adding the AMO index oscillation (that counts for internal system variability) to the two solar constituents, we get an extremely accurate temperature projection. As soon as AMO turns negative we shall experience a strong cooling.
“our main enemy right now is not our political opponents. Our main enemy is physics”
She got that one right. Their biggest problem isn’t the people that won’t fall in line with their narrative/agenda it’s with the physics that simply doesn’t support their narrative/agenda. It’s because of the later that you have the former.
Those people who believe CAGW have a different world view.
I completely agree physical reality is on the side of we did not cause CO2 to rise and hence did not also cause the temperature to change. There is now hard physical evidence to prove that assertion.
CAGW the idea is getting more dangerous by the day.
Step 1: Create End of the world warming in stupid models. (The IPCC science is 100% incorrect. The models are not exaggerating there are absolutely incorrect.)
Step 2: Tell stupid governments what to say. Climate is an emergency like a war. Joe Biden: “We are all Dead.”
Step 3: Get stupid people to head countries who will really believe anything you tell them to say…
See Canada: Justin Trudeau (ex-drama teacher who likes to have fun)
This type of thing could get completely out of control…
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/30/joe-biden-were-all-dead-if-we-dont-stop-using-fossil-fuels/
Former Vice President Joe Biden claimed during a Sunday campaign event that “we’re all dead” if fossil fuels continue to be used as one of the world’s primary energy sources.
Earlier in the event, Biden vowed as president to hold energy giants liable for global warming and made a pledge to even jail executives.
“We have to set sort of guide rails down now, so between the years 2021 and 2030, it’s irreversible – the path we set ourselves on. And one of which is doing away with any substance for fossil fuels – number one,” Biden said.
“Number two, holding them liable for what they have done,” he said of fossil fuel executives, “particularly in those cases where your underserved neighborhoods and – you know the deal, okay. And by the way, when they don’t want to deliver, put them in jail. I’m not joking about this.”
It is unclear whether Biden meant he would also imprison his own son, Hunter Biden, who served on the board of directors of Ukrainian gas giant Burisma Holdings between 2014-2016. The younger Biden was reportedly paid up to $83,000 as a Burisma board member, despite having no expertise in the energy sector.
Bottom line here? – “Anybody who’d read the Grauniad…”
Just because the Guardian prints something does not mean it has any truth.
The media has been lying for 30 years, the truth does not matter to them. The only thing that matters is sucking up to power.
The Guardian would not be a credible witness in any court of law, nor should any article ever be quoted in evidence where truthfulness is regarded as de rigeur.
It is a comic for those who still think they are communists or socialists, when the truth long ago was that they were self-righteous ecofascists.