"I don’t want to die!" Climate Exploitation of Children

Children are being used as proxies for climate change hysteria across Canada. Ecojustice is acting on behalf of children in taking the Ontario government to court of the relaxation of certain climate laws, and a key child turns out to be the child of a woman who is on the board of the non-profit foundation of “We Don’t Have Time” – the green billionaire carbon offset platform that uses Greta as their walking advertisement. The National Post has reported that even 7 year olds are being terrified in class on climate ‘We’re going to die’: Toronto mother says young daughter terrified by school presentation on climate change

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December 23, 2019 10:13 am

I survived Y2K and 2012.

Canadian children will survive climate change just fine. A few more degrees of nightly warmth may even do them more good than bad.

Rick C PE
Reply to  RelPerm
December 23, 2019 11:10 am

Of all the ways you could scare kids – asteroid impact, nuclear war, super volcano, pandemic, giant solar flare, nearby super nova, etc. – climate change would seem to be very mild, slow and manageable. Has anyone told Greta that there are many ways climate change could become instantly irrelevant in the next 80 years?

Carpe Diem
Que sera sera
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

Reply to  Rick C PE
December 23, 2019 1:31 pm

” for tomorrow we die.”

aaaaaagh! But I don’t want to die !

Radical Rodent
Reply to  Greg
December 23, 2019 2:17 pm

Sorry, but you really have no option on that – you will…. someday (not too soon, I hope).

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Greg
December 23, 2019 2:22 pm

Want or don’t want, we all will die.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 23, 2019 4:37 pm

If we spent more money on reaching the Singularity than on this crap, we wouldn’t have to.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 24, 2019 12:27 am

But I’ve got solar panels! They’ll keep me alive, won’t they?

Rick C PE
Reply to  Greg
December 24, 2019 10:56 am

7.5 Billion people will die in the next 100 years if we don’t do something about the weather! 😉

Reply to  Rick C PE
December 23, 2019 2:18 pm

You can try to scare children with a volcano or remote stars or charged particules. But you can’t even begin to convince even the most gullible that they are indirectly responsible of the internal processes of a remote star or even the pressure of gases under a volcano.

On the other hand, you can tell them the science “community” has determined that any use of “non renewable” energy increases the “greenhouse effect”.

Reply to  Rick C PE
December 24, 2019 7:32 am

Greta’s 15 minutes are about up.

A year from now, nobody’ll remember who she even was.

The non-outcome of the COP recently said it all. Time to find a new boogeyman.

Reply to  Goldrider
December 24, 2019 1:10 pm

I think I will remember her, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Reply to  RelPerm
December 23, 2019 11:18 am


There are approximately 7.7 billion people on this planet. 7.5 of them live in places that are warmer than Canada and Russia. They survive just fine.

Our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, vacations in places that are 20 to 35C warmer than his home town of Ottawa.

Climate change is not a problem; at least until the next ice age. Then we’ll all have to switch to burning coal.

Reply to  joe
December 23, 2019 4:41 pm

……. and, unfortunately, the CO2 produced will be too lame to help (knowing that was one, possibly the only benefit of this climate farce), so we will have to go nuclear, although I’m pretty sure deflectors that increase the sun’s irradiance reaching the Earth could be cobbled together with our current technology.

Bob Hunter
Reply to  RelPerm
December 23, 2019 11:40 am

My simple request, for the”alarmists, civil servant scientists, politicians, etc ” who essentially claim the ‘earth will end’ in 8 years if CO2 emissions are not curtailed (and most readers here know they will actually increase in the near future) will forfeit their govt pensions or quit their jobs if the world doesn’t end. I am prepared to if I am wrong, but what have I got to lose if I am wrong.

Reply to  Bob Hunter
December 28, 2019 6:43 am

I agree totally, tell me a lie as serious as this and you should be in prison, take my money based on falsehoods you go to jail. LIARS.

Joel Snider
Reply to  RelPerm
December 23, 2019 11:53 am

Yeah, you wonder how many doomsday predictions it’ll take for THIS generation to wake up.

Big T
Reply to  RelPerm
December 23, 2019 2:08 pm

The day we are born, we are heading for death. As Paul Harvey used to say, that’s the rest of the story.

Reply to  Big T
December 24, 2019 12:50 pm

Way before that and millions don’t even get that far.

Reply to  RelPerm
January 2, 2020 3:29 pm

Yes, but Canada may not survive mass hysteria caused by a bunch of climate alarmists teaching false notions regarding climate science! They have been telling us for decades that the earth is going to become uninhabitable but the liars never learn from experience! Something is haywire in their brains and they should be stopped!

December 23, 2019 10:17 am

When is this despicable behaviour by parents and other adults going to be called out and condemned for what it is –
exploitation and abuse of children.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Mr.
December 23, 2019 12:03 pm

Human shields.

Reply to  Mr.
December 23, 2019 1:27 pm

Many, perhaps most, parents of small children are thoroughly brainwashed….convinced that they shouldn’t even look at information that would challenge the alarmist narrative.
Students are using textual material and hearing the alarmism from their teachers, so they wouldn’t dare do research that would challenge this narrative because they would risk getting a failing grade on their assignments.

Reply to  Sommer
December 23, 2019 8:46 pm

The number of children that question the information the teacher gives is about the same proportion that question what they see on the news on TV.

That is why the left infest the teaching profession: get them early and get them indocrinated before they learn to think for themselves.

Reply to  Greg
December 25, 2019 10:16 am

That’s what parents used to be for—to teach kids to think for themselves. Now, kids are merely decorations, possessions that parents pull out when convenient. They gave their kids to the government, so I see no reason to think the parents want the kids not to be scared, nor that they care in the least how this turns out. If they valued the kids, their actions would have been much different. Parents did this and wanted this.

Reply to  Mr.
December 23, 2019 5:38 pm

It’s times like this I wish I had kids in school that I could tell them their teachers are lying and don’t know what they’re talking about. And they have my permission to tell them that to their faces.

Reply to  icisil
December 23, 2019 8:49 pm

Just as well you don’t then, since that may make you feed better but would not be very good advice to give. A pretty sure way to ensure that your kids get the worst grades possible.

Reply to  Greg
December 24, 2019 1:04 am

I don’t play that game.

Reply to  Greg
December 25, 2019 10:17 am

So much better to tell the kids they are an enslaved sheep and they should LIE to the teacher, right?

Eamon Butler
Reply to  icisil
December 26, 2019 1:48 am

My youngest son used to give his teachers a difficult time over the climate change nonsense, when he was in school a few years ago. In fairness, it never disadvantaged him.


Reply to  Mr.
December 24, 2019 7:33 am

It speaks to the desperation of today’s Left.

B d Clark
December 23, 2019 10:21 am

At some point hopefully in this court case the government will have to revert to what the lady says in the video,
If these eco terrorists keep pushing through the courts attacking government policy then the defence council will have to defend with the real science , the manipulation of children and scaremongering them ,must be illegal, there not old enough to make a considered judgment, they are not being taught they are being brainwashed.

Curious George
Reply to  B d Clark
December 23, 2019 12:24 pm

Toronto mother says young daughter terrified by school presentation on climate change.

Simple: Ban those harmful presentations! Punish anybody spreading panic.

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  Curious George
December 23, 2019 4:06 pm

Exactly. This is irresponsible parenting if they let this continue.

Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
December 24, 2019 6:59 am

There must be serious ramifications for continuing to alarm our children, but who would begin the process of bringing this to legislation? Our politicians are afraid to even admit in public that they’re questioning the ‘consensus’. Can you imagine how this government and the media would attack anyone who even tried? We don’t have politicians who could even begin to present thorough arguments.
This is a very serious situation right now in Canada.

B d Clark
Reply to  Sommer
December 24, 2019 7:02 am

It will be down to the parents to challange the authorities brainwashing the children through the courts hopefully.

Ron Long
December 23, 2019 10:22 am

Well, it looks to me like one complete generation has been lost. The key factor is this event is the exploitation of children by adults, many of them straight out for the profit motive. This will not end well.

Reply to  Ron Long
December 23, 2019 11:23 am

It’s not the first generation to be lost to climate hysteria. The education system has been poisoning young minds about CO2 emissions for decades. The evidence is how much traction it has gained, despite science that’s so wrong, it’s an embarrassment to legitimate science. As a result, a dangerous trend has developed where many of those who have been brainwashed by climate change propaganda have embraced the political left because they actually believe the fake narrative and as a result, despise the political right for embracing common sense rather than succumbing to an irrational fear.

Repairing climate science is an urgent need because climate hysteria has become one of the most important single issue positions for those who vote for Democrats which is leading us down a dangerous path towards centralized control driven by a Socialist ideology. Why do you think Bernie pushes so hard on this?

Ironically, the lefts position on climate change is more than wrong enough to cause me to vote against anyone who supports it. Support of the IPCC’s fake science is tantamount to treason, as the fake science supports a plan to extort wealth from the developed world in the name of climate reparations which goes against everything the free world stands for and more to the point, is specifically targeted to penalize the US more than anyone else.

Reply to  Ron Long
December 23, 2019 12:45 pm

There is no such thing as losing a generation. Children grow up to become adults, and it is only a matter of time before today’s kids realize that the earth didn’t end, they did not die, and in fact life is extremely everywhere on earth where energy is abundant and cheap … and that life is brutal and short wherever energy is not abundant and cheap.

Propaganda only takes you so far, after which reality begins to intrude.

Reply to  Duane
December 23, 2019 4:01 pm

I remember when I was in Grade 7 or 8 back around 1970, when our teachers herded us into the school gym to watch a movie that told us that within 15 years the air would be so polluted that we wouldn’t be able to breathe and the water would be too polluted to drink. Oddly enough, things were OK in 1985, and I learned to treat people who make such predictions as crackpots until proven otherwise.

Paul Penrose
December 23, 2019 10:24 am

I don’t want to die either – which is why it would be madness to dismantle our (hydrocarbon fueled) civilization which makes it possible for us to have healthy and productive lives, all in a quixotic quest to control the climate.

Ian W
December 23, 2019 10:25 am

This is child abuse for venal purposes.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Goleta
Reply to  Ian W
December 23, 2019 8:10 pm

If they Spring into action is it for Vernal purposes?

John F. Hultquist
December 23, 2019 10:35 am

In fact she will die.
Just not from climate or CO2.
Probability as close to zero as anything can be without being zero.
She might die in a car accident.
She might die falling down stairs.
Both probabilities demonstrably greater than zero.
Highest probability has her dying of old age syndrome.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 23, 2019 10:55 am

She could die due to a weather event, but it would have nothing to do with CO2.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 23, 2019 11:32 am

If these reckless child manipulators continue to so depress her about her future life prospects, she is rather more likely to die by her own hand!

Bryan A
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 23, 2019 12:23 pm

She could die from Stockholm Syndrome
being held hostage from her climate change beliefs.

December 23, 2019 10:37 am

Okay, I would like a clear notification system in place when these youth enroll in flight training courses with primary interest in taking off but no particular interest in learning how to land the plane. I don’t think that is asking too much.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
December 23, 2019 12:52 pm

I only greased one landing, it was a night flight with the instructor.
Fumbling about in the dark, visual cues almost non-existent.
Touched down light as a feather, still wonder why ?

December 23, 2019 10:56 am

Canadian children have a real risk from the COLD. A cold era like the Little Ice Age, which would eliminate virtually all crop production in Canada. And, of course the eventual end of the current Holocene Interglacial (we are already past the average time interglacials last) that would end the habitability of the entire land area of Canada for 120-150K years.

What Northern nation has ever even voiced a concern about what happens to hundreds of millions of people not if, but when the COLD returns.

Reply to  sendergreen
December 23, 2019 11:43 am

There’s not enough fossil fuels on Earth to put enough CO2 into the atmosphere to prevent the next ice age, even if the IPCC was close to correct with their highly inflated size of the effect.

A km thick glacier bearing down on Manhattan is inevitable and likely to occur within less time then has passed since the rise of civilization, while melting enough ice to bury Manhattan under the ocean will not occur unless a very large meteorite impacts Antarctica or the Sun enters it’s red giant phase, both of which are far more likely than catastrophic warming arising from CO2 emissions.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 23, 2019 12:20 pm

Another thing we have come to know is that the drop into Ice Age temperatures at the end of interglacials is incredibly fast. Definitely less than a century, perhaps as fast as a decade or two . When it happens there will be no time for food production mitigation, or migration. Betcha a cheeseburger the first “summer that never comes”, the Climate change extremists will still be blaming CO2. Whether Grand Solar Minimum, of the End of the Interglacial …. No Northern Nation is spending a thought, or a dime preparing for the inevitable COLD.

Reply to  sendergreen
December 23, 2019 2:26 pm

Some of the steepest temperature transitions in the ice cores seem to coincide with perihelion passing through the equinoxes, moreover; there are many cases of changes in long term averages maintained over centuries that far exceeds the contemporary change in short term averages that alarmists are so concerned about. Currently, perihelion is in early January and every year it gets about three hours closer to the equinox. If we are to believe the history in the ice cores, by the time perihelion migrates to the summer solstice, we should be well into the depths of the next ice where that km high glacier will have already buried Manhattan and which is less than 10K years away. This is only a warm up for what’s to come, because 10-20K years later, an even deeper cold will grip the planet based on how the planet responded in the past during similar alignments of perihelion and orbital tilt.

Reply to  sendergreen
December 23, 2019 12:06 pm

We don’t have to wait until the cold returns. Cold is already more deadly than heat, as much as twenty fold by some estimates. link

John Bell
December 23, 2019 11:07 am

Pure desperation to use children this way, reprehensible.

Samuel C Cogar
December 23, 2019 11:09 am

Article excerpt:

“We Don’t Have Time” – the green billionaire carbon offset platform that uses Greta as their walking advertisement.

And Daniel Turner has the answer, to wit:

If climate change an existential threat, as Democrats claim, then THIS is our only option.

Declare war on China.

The only way to face an existential threat is to kill it before it kills you. Otherwise, it is not a threat. And certainly not “existential.”

What country is leading the global existential threat? China.

China is the world’s leading polluter of air and ocean. It is the world’s leader in CO2 emissions and has no intention of decreasing them.

War with China, then, is an absolutely essential component of addressing the climate crisis if, indeed, it is existential. We cannot stand by and their actions contribute to the death of all humanity.
By Daniel Turner

Joel Snider
December 23, 2019 11:17 am

Fascist tactics, fascist results. I seem to remember the inestimable Mosher only a few weeks ago, openly chastising skeptics for not recruiting/indoctrinating the next generation.

Total lack of shame, total one-way blindness, totally despicable.

December 23, 2019 11:30 am

“How dare you, I don’t want to die!”

Tom Abbott
December 23, 2019 11:32 am

Yes, they are scaring children to death without having one scrap of evidence backing up their claims. They are scaring kids to death with speculation.

It’s really criminal. The scaremongers should be required to prove their climate catastrophe claims. Not one of them could do it because there is no evidence that CO2 is causing anything the promoters say it is causing or will cause. Repeat: No evidence.

Kids, you need to tell those adutls to “put up, or shut up” as far as evidence of human-caused climate change is concerned. The scaremongers are trying to sell nightmares as reality. Before you kids decide all is lost, you should require your tormentors to prove their case. Your mind will then be eased when you discover they don’t have any evidence worthy of the name.

There are going to be a lot of new skeptics in about 12 years. The Scaremongers can scare the kids to death but when the catastrophe doesn’t happen, the scared kids are going to be questioning those who have lied to them.

December 23, 2019 11:33 am

The irony is that CO2 has no significant effect on climate.
Simple calculations using data from Hitran show water vapor is 37+ times more effective than CO2 at ground level warming. Added cooling by increased CO2 well above the tropopause counters and perhaps exceeds the tiny added warming from more CO2 at ground level.
Measured water vapor trend has been increasing faster than possible from feedback. https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com

Reply to  Dan Pangburn
December 23, 2019 11:41 am

Also, a fraction of a fraction anthropogenic contribution. Either way, the odds do not favor CO2 radiative effects, let alone heating, and certainly nothing catastrophic. The greenhouse effect works well in a closed environment and the “greenhouse effect” in clinical isolation.

Lorne Newell
Reply to  Dan Pangburn
December 23, 2019 2:02 pm

One hypothesis states cosmic rays, omnipresent during a solar minimum, interact with water vapour causing clouds. And the cycle starts. Clouds, rain, water vapour, comic rays, etc. I don’t recall who the author is.I think he is a Japanese Scientist at a US university.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Lorne Newell
December 23, 2019 4:12 pm

Svensmark was the guy who first proposed this idea. Others have supported and verified the effect.

December 23, 2019 11:35 am

Children, populations are no longer planned. Your phobia is unfounded. Oh, wait.

December 23, 2019 11:41 am

This is not new. See the 2010 UK short film “No Pressure” online, with “not onboard” children in a classroom being exploded by their teacher in a cloud of red blood and gore. Along with adults meeting the same fate for non-climate woke-ness.

Reply to  sendergreen
December 23, 2019 1:43 pm

“No Pressure” by 10.10

this is the twisted mindset that produced Greta & XR

Joel O'Bryan
December 23, 2019 11:50 am

The exploitation of children is the ultimate use of untrained brains at work for propaganda. It is an exploitation of children and an exploitation of empathy-driven adults where the use of “consensus of experts” as actual science ploy works. Seemingly smart adults allow themselves to be manipulated into believing because Greta (and scared children) said it and believes whatever they been told about climate change, we must act.

Scott Adams (Dilbert guy) has new book titled “LoserThink” that goes into this and how smart people fall into that trap.
And Ecojustice is using loserthink to push its agenda on easily duped adults. Climate change is no longer about science. It is about the con-job. A confidence scam to swindle the middle class into self-destruction across the developed countries.

Dr Deanster
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 23, 2019 12:51 pm

“A confidence scam to swindle the middle class into self-destruction across the developed countries.

This is the money line. The Green Agenda is nothing more than the green wrapping of a big red gift known as communism/socialism. As long as the USA remains an independent force of its own, resistant to the group think of the more socialized nations of Europe/Canada, the agenda is hindered in its efforts to move the plan forward. Donald J Trump was the worst thing that could have ever happened for the green machine and their allies in the Liberal Press have made no bones about their disdain for him. He has single handedly halted the Democrat capitulation to the global agenda that requires the US to shrink in economic size and power so that a smooth transition of power to a global elite can occur.

It’s not surprising that they are targeting the children, as they are not mature enough to detect the line of BS that they are fed on a daily basis. But if the USA can hold out another 4-8 years, the truth of the CAGW hoax will be exposed, and all will be righted without to much fuss. The children will shrug and move on. However, if the US caves, as the Democrats are pushing, then the transition of power will happen, and it will take out and out war and revolution to right the ship.

Nicholas McGinley
December 23, 2019 12:15 pm

Canada of all places?
Just what exactly are these people thinking they will die of?
Seriously…I really want to know.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
December 23, 2019 4:30 pm

Being in Canada an hour’s drive from Detroit, we’re used to U.S tourists crossing the bridge from Michigan in July asking where the nearest ski hill is. My biggest scare is not a hot planet, but why all three of our Detriot pro sports teams can’t win a game.

J Mac
December 23, 2019 12:22 pm

“Father, forgive them. For they know not what they do….”

Yet, for the climate catastrophe false prophets feral indoctrination of children, they clearly do know what they are doing! They are marketing overt fraud for political gain. It is unforgivable.

December 23, 2019 1:03 pm

Matt Ridley looks at the data and finds we’ve just had the best decade in human history.
And yet we still have silly donkeys telling us that we have but a short time before the end of the world. But this is a very good article from Ridley and should give some hope to some of the more fearful among us.
BTW he does list his sources. But will they ever wake up?


4 Eyes
December 23, 2019 1:16 pm

That does it for me. All greentards, even the moderate ones, had better stay away from me. They will regret raising anything to do with global warming within my earshot. Damn child abusers.

Reply to  4 Eyes
December 23, 2019 7:58 pm

Yep, the hellhound has nearly broken its leash.

Rhys Jaggar
December 23, 2019 1:22 pm

They use children on TV to justify middle eastern wars too, remember?

Or is that OK because it was the US going to war?

Gunga Din
December 23, 2019 2:18 pm

Sounds like she to cash in on her kid just like Grrrreta’s parents did.

December 23, 2019 2:18 pm

My message to young people:

Revolt. Dare to be different and think for yourselves. Dare NOT to be afraid. Dare Greta Thunberg to explain any science that backs her proclaimed fear. Dare NOT to agree with the status quo on climate emergency/crisis/injustice/apathy/etc.

Lee L
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
December 23, 2019 2:53 pm

Well you see…. you CAN’T DARE GRETA donchya know. She is subject to Asberger’s symptoms and that would make you cruel.

What a perfectly designed ploy.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Lee L
December 23, 2019 4:44 pm

Hold my root beer…

Reply to  Lee L
December 23, 2019 4:54 pm

In that case, we should name a new over-the-counter remedy in her honor — Gretamucil — when you really want to get the BS flowing.

For those who might not get the implied comparison, maybe this will help:


John Robertson
December 23, 2019 3:16 pm

Well one thing is certain,her child is going to die,Life kills us all.
Life being a sexually transmitted terminal disease.
At least in our case.
The foulness of this mass hysteria and particularly the child abuse aspect of gang Green is apparent to any who will look,this child abuse being as pernicious as the blatant racism of Gang Green.
Who are deliberately preventing the poor brown people of the world from enjoying cheap energy and the life extending benefits there of.
There is nothing noble about the corruption of these people,of course one would use her child to exploit the public purse, for with Gang green just follow the Green Backs.

Reply to  John Robertson
December 23, 2019 5:50 pm

“Well one thing is certain,her child is going to die,Life kills us all.”
Next thing you’ll tell me, is that there is no Santa Claus.
Prove it.

December 23, 2019 4:56 pm

The parents are the cause of global warming.
The children are afraid of dying from global warming, as told they will by the parents.
The children must kill their parents to end global warming thus ensuring their own survival.

December 23, 2019 7:04 pm

If they “don’t want to die”, then they can thank God that we have fossil fuels….otherwise they would freeze to death or die of starvation in short order.

December 23, 2019 8:44 pm

I emailed this letter today and received a receipt from the Minister’s office.

Jason C Schilling
President, Alberta Teachers Association

Cc: Hon. Adriana LaGrange
Minister of Education

Subject: The Alberta Teachers Association (ATA) and the False Crisis of Global Warming Alarmism

Hello Mr. Schilling,

I have a daughter in Grade 6 in a Calgary Public School, and I am very happy with her school and its capable and dedicated teachers.

I should also advise you that this letter has been reviewed by some of the most competent scientists in the world.

The following presentation by Michelle Stirling is a well-informed rebuttal of Tzeporah Berman’s climate speech to the Alberta Teachers Association (ATA):

The science and politics of global warming alarmism is an area of my expertise, and I probably know more about this subject than anyone in the ATA. I have an accomplished career on six continents and have made outstanding contributions to the well-being of Calgary, Alberta and Canada.

Based on my two engineering degrees and my decades of analysis of this topic since ~1985, I conclude that global warming alarmism is a false crisis. One of my recent publications is included below.

I am concerned that school children are being propagandized and some are suffering from extreme anxiety due to fears of runaway global warming.

It is simply child abuse to support this false propaganda. I am shocked to learn that climate activist Steve Lee “has already spoken at dozens of student assemblies at high schools in Edmonton, Calgary and across Canada”.

It is truly wrong for Alberta teachers to encourage our children to take a radical position on this false crisis. It is even more wrong to encourage the irrational fear that is destroying the feelings of safety and security of our children.

This letter serves to put you, the ATA and its members on notice that promotion of the climate scare is false propaganda that is causing harm to our children.

Yours truly, Allan MacRae
B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.


by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., June 13, 2019
Excel: https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-june2019-final-3-1.xlsx


Global warming alarmism, which falsely assumes that increasing atmospheric CO2 causes catastrophic global warming, is disproved – essentially, it assumes that the future is causing the past. In reality, atmospheric CO2 changes lag global temperature changes at all measured time scales.

Nino34 Area Sea Surface Temperature changes, then tropical humidity changes, then atmospheric temperature changes, then CO2 changes.

The velocity dCO2/dt changes ~contemporaneously with global temperature changes and CO2 changes occur ~9 months later (MacRae 2008).

The process that causes the ~9-month average lag of CO2 changes after temperature changes is hypothesized and supported by observations.

The ~9-month lag, +/- several months, averages 1/4 of the full-period duration of the variable global temperature cycle, which averages ~3 years.

Based on the above observations, global temperatures drive atmospheric CO2 concentrations much more than CO2 drives temperature.

Climate sensitivity to increasing atmospheric CO2 must be very low, less than ~1C/(2*CO2) and probably much less.

There will be no catastrophic warming and no significant increase in chaotic weather due to increasing CO2 concentrations.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 clearly causes significantly improved crop yields, and may cause minor, beneficial global warming.

Atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high, it is too low for optimal plant growth and alarmingly low for the survival of carbon-based terrestrial life.

Other factors such as fossil fuel combustion, deforestation, etc may also increase atmospheric CO2. The increase of CO2 is clearly beneficial.

“Green energy” schemes are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, primarily because of the fatal flaw of intermittency.

There is no widely-available, cost-effective means of solving the flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation.

Electric grids have been destabilized, electricity costs have soared and Excess Winter Deaths have increased due to green energy schemes.


December 23, 2019 8:51 pm

It’s shame this video ends on the highly questionable claim that it’s mostly the sun. That is so easy to attack and so hard to back up it makes the whole thing easy to dismiss.

There was not need to say anything.

Reply to  Greg
December 24, 2019 2:06 am

For Greg:


How will climate unfold in the next few years?

The failed very-scary catastrophic global warming (CAGW) hypothesis, which ASSUMES climate is driven primarily by increasing atmospheric CO2 caused by fossil fuel combustion, will again be disproved because fossil fuel combustion and atmospheric CO2 will continue to increase, CO2 albeit at a slower rate, while global temperatures cool.

This global cooling scenario has already happened from ~1940 to 1977, a period when fossil fuel combustion rapidly accelerated and atmospheric temperature cooled – that observation was sufficient to disprove the global warming hypothesis decades ago.

Contrary to the global warming hypothesis, CO2 is clearly NOT the primary driver of century-scale global climate, the Sun is – the evidence is conclusive and we’ve known this for decades.

In June 2015 Dr. Nir Shaviv gave an excellent talk in Calgary – his slides are posted here:
Slides 24-29 show the strong relationship between solar activity and global temperature.

Here is Shaviv’s 22 minute talk from 2019 summarizing his views on global warming:
Science Bits, Aug 4, 2019

At 2:48 in his talk, Shaviv says:
“In all cores where you have a high-enough resolution, you see that the CO2 follows the temperature and not vice-versa. Namely, we know that the CO2 is affected by the temperature, but it doesn’t tell you anything about the opposite relation. In fact, there is no time scale whatsoever where you see CO2 variations cause a large temperature variation.”

At 5:30 Shaviv shows a diagram that shows the close correlation of a proxy of solar activity with a proxy for Earth’s climate. More similar close solar-climate relationships follow.

Shaviv concludes that the sensitivity of climate to increasing atmospheric CO2 is 1.0C to 1.5C/(doubling of CO2), much lower than the assumptions used in the computer climate models cited by the IPCC, which greatly exaggerate future global warming.

At this low level of climate sensitivity, there is NO dangerous human-made global warming or climate change crisis.

Willie Soon’s 2019 video reaches similar conclusions – that the Sun is the primary driver of global climate, and not atmospheric CO2.

Willie Soon’s best points start at 54:51, where he shows the Sun-Climate relationship and provides his conclusions.

There is a strong correlation between the Daily High Temperatures and the Solar Total Irradiance (54:51 of the video):

… in the USA (55:02),

Canada (55:16),

and Mexico (55:20).

Note that in Willie’s plots, the ~11-year solar cycle is also evident in the maximum daily temperatures. Strong global cooling occurred at the end of SC23 – we should expect even more cooling at the end of SC24.

B d Clark
December 24, 2019 6:57 am
Reply to  B d Clark
December 24, 2019 7:48 am

Thank you M. Clark – I found this critique, but it’s complicated and I haven’t even had my coffee yet.


B d Clark
December 24, 2019 8:24 am

I’ve had a read in the comments tallbloke now agrees c14 is more present in the atmosphere in solar mins but disagrees with the graph because it’s based on absorbing plant matter, trees ,of c14 so does the graph depict a correct increase in atmospheric c14 or not? Have your coffee Allan inwould be interested in your take. Cheers

December 24, 2019 8:42 pm

See graph Allan, this single graph destroys the CO2 as a crisis BS. C02 does not even correlate with temperature in ice cores of the 8,000 years before the present.


Y. Knott
December 24, 2019 4:04 am

As a Canadian, I can explain why they do this here:

“Scare ’em BAD!
Ignore the FACTS!
We have to INCREASE

Joe G
December 24, 2019 6:26 am

With all of the oil burning, wood burning and coal burning that takes place in the great white north during the winter, why doesn’t it get warmer due to all of that added CO2? It’s as if CO2 doesn’t do anything with respect to warming.

December 24, 2019 7:47 am

When the residents of Miami and Cancun start vacationing in Alberta in January, I’ll start worrying about AGW.

Reply to  Goldrider
December 24, 2019 1:08 pm

Good one.

Andy Pattullo
December 24, 2019 7:56 am

If we don’t give up on our current lifestyle, capitalism, democracy, reality TV and steak dinners 7.5 billion people will die before the end of this century. If on the other hand we simple continue on enjoying the fruits of technology and innovation that solved most of human society’s problems and which could resolve the rest in a generation, 7.5 billion people will die before the end of this century. Death comes to all but I like the version where those who die do so at the end of a full, purposeful, well-fed and comfortable life. The U.N. seems to want us all to suffer and die early as happened before industrialization.

Jeff in Calgary
December 24, 2019 8:43 am

There is really no way to describe this other than Child Abuse. These parents should be removing their children from the school; possibly switching to homeschooling.

Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
December 24, 2019 3:25 pm

Hi Jeff – please see my letter above to the President of the Alberta Teachers Association..
If you want, add a letter of support. Even better, round up a few thousand such letters.
Contact me through my website if you want their email addresses.
Regards, Allan

December 24, 2019 3:55 pm

Just wait until the kids find out that our sun may go supernova one day.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Davis
December 24, 2019 8:41 pm

Magnetic pole reversal will happen way sooner than that.

December 25, 2019 10:23 am

The three most scientific words in the world “We don’t know”. Use them often and explain to children that claims that we do know are not true. Predictions of the future are the purview of psychics, not scientists. Call the psychic hotline. In the end, it’s cheaper and just as accurate.

Might want to read:
“Chicken Little”
“The Boy that cried wolf”

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