Aussie Government ABC Urges Workers to Join Student Climate Strikes

2013-12-30 Students Protesting for Divestment of Fossil Fuels

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The government run Australian Broadcasting Corporation has cited examples of workers striking because they wanted to go down the beach they were suffering the effects of climate change, and urged others to follow their lead.

Workers are on the frontline of the climate crisis, but they have the power to fight back

By Elizabeth Humphrys, Freya Newman, and Natasha Heenan

While the impacts of climate change have long been felt by frontline communities battling unprecedented drought, our major cities are no longer insulated from the effects.

You can see it, you can smell it, and you can feel it in your lungs — and emergency services have warned that the worst of this fire season is still ahead of us.

Outdoor workers, especially those engaged in heavy labour, are particularly vulnerable to the health risks from smoke and particulate levels in the air.

These workers are on the frontline of the impacts of the climate crisis, which also include growing risks from heat stress.

There is hope, however.

Internationally, we see citizens and workers coming together to fight for a better world, led in particular by the vibrant student climate strikes.

A mass movement capable of building effective collective action and a democratic response to climate change is our best hope of addressing both a warming world and access to decent, stable work.

And unions need to play a central role.

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/unions-need-to-be-part-of-solution-climate-change-sydney-smoke/11802438

Sorry to break it to you Elizabeth, Freya and Natasha, but outside the public sector the age of large scale industrial action is over.

These days if a union calls a major strike, there is a bottomless supply of workers from overseas begging for a chance to take the jobs of the strikers, using easy access work visas created by your friends in Congress or parliament.

But please don’t let me discourage you from trying. Climate strikes and blockades do more damage to your cause than anything I have ever written or done – as a group of extinction rebellion hippies discovered to their cost, when they tried to stop ordinary folk going about their business in Canning Town.

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December 19, 2019 10:19 pm

Australia’s ABC used to be a reliable News Service in the 1950’s but over 60 years it has morphed into a close replica of the Soviet Comintern radio station. Anything that is allowed to be aired on it supports the leftist Cause only, not truth or fact.

Mike
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 19, 2019 10:58 pm

Agree. It seems worse by the day. I only watch/listen because I find so astonishing.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  Mike
December 20, 2019 3:47 am

Netflix the ABC.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mike
December 20, 2019 4:34 am

i listen because i cant stand the crap music n ads elsewhere
but endless repeats and mind numbing agitprop sure wears ones nerves
but we have to listen to know what the gullibles are being fed with.
you cant counter it if you dont know what theyre falling for.

today with fires near 2 friends we stayed in contact
BOTH of them turned media OFF because of the hype and fearmongering
and the supposed local abc stations for fire warnings in our areas?
are bloody lousy reception and hardly worth listening to due to lousy reportage of rural fires in actual real time anyway
it hit 46.3 on my fron porch this arvo and that was before the gale force winds and lightning storm hit and started 4 fires locally..
no aircon, couple of small fans 35c isnide felt cool;-)
shed roof lifted and bent a bit, all sorted with heavy logs for now.
could be so much worse. considering myself lucky;-)

Megs
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 20, 2019 12:43 pm

Thoughts are with you OZ, stay safe.

Stupid leftists in the city think that smoke is the only problem and that they are suffering because
of us ‘denialists’, ignorant pricks.

Kamikazedave
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 20, 2019 4:09 am

ABC stands for Alcoholic Beverage Control here in Virginia. I’m sure they have a much better handle on the climate situation then their Aussie counterpart.

Brent Hargreaves
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 20, 2019 4:24 am

Yep, we have the same problem in Britain with the Bolshevik Brainwashing Company.
Good news, however: normal folks, led by the new government, are coming for them. There’s a rumour that Nigel Farage will be the new Director General. Ouch!

Gerry, England
Reply to  Brent Hargreaves
December 20, 2019 5:40 am

Why wait? Stop paying the tv licence and if enough people stop they will have a nice shortfall in funding.

Donald Boughton
Reply to  Gerry, England
December 20, 2019 8:24 am

Did that at least ten years ago so I have £145 to spend with my ISP on internet access.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Gerry, England
January 1, 2020 7:59 pm

Donald Boughton, your free will.

– incl. freedom of speech, freedom of mind.

jtom
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 20, 2019 7:59 am

You might be surprised about the 1960s media. We simply had few options for getting news. Over here, Walter Cronkite was the fountain of trust. It now turns out he deliberately misreported the Viet Nam war to foment more public objection to it.

The news media was quite likely as biased then as now. We just could not detect it.

Wharfplank
Reply to  jtom
December 20, 2019 8:41 am

It all began to sour post WWII…

Bemused Bill
December 19, 2019 10:21 pm

They might find that the workers…are too busy and…continue to work. This may be a foreign notion to them, as they are insane.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Bemused Bill
December 20, 2019 4:46 am

heres an idea
the abc should go on sptrike
the silence would be GOLDEN!!!

Chris
December 19, 2019 10:23 pm

What a load of crap, the climate is always changing and as Journalist you need to actually do some work to provide information to the contrary of the currant narrative that the workers are suffering, id like to know where ! the weather is no different today as it was 100 years ago.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris
December 19, 2019 10:51 pm

You are expecting far too much of Auntie Chris. They report only what the read in The Guardian.

Mr.
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 8:38 am

And the MSM just mines Twitter for their content.
Here’s a thought – why doesn’t Twitter just syndicate all its content and charge the ABC and MSM licensing fees.
Then ultimately Twitter will cut out the middlemen and distribute content directly themselves.
Then we’d all only have to avoid the one source of abject tosh, and life would be simpler.

Hugs
Reply to  Chris
December 19, 2019 11:10 pm

“What a load of crap, the climate is always changing”

Sure but this is not a point here. The point should largely be the wildfires / forest fires are natural and humans should just do controlled burning and fire breaks to have them less devastating. There is a lot you can adapt to, but in this case you don’t need to adapt to changing climate, but just the climate of the past millinnium.

Leslie Graham
Reply to  Hugs
December 20, 2019 12:25 am

Almost every single fire in Australia has been deliberately started by hippies and greenies who are being financed to do so by Leonardo De Crapio.
He has already donated 5 million bucks to arsonists in the Amazon region to start fires and has now moved on to fund arsonists in Australia.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Leslie Graham
December 20, 2019 12:45 am

Also, FORMER fire services chiefs are being hired by Tim Flannery, of the Climate Council, to speak at media conferences to state they have never seen fires as bad as they are this year and all driven by climate change. So, even claiming his activism over 20 years was a failure, he still gets the message out there. Never mind about 87% of the fires were lit deliberately.

Loydo
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 4:57 pm

But, but what about Leonardo? He’s got more money than Tim. Thats just maths.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 10:42 pm

I don’t know what Leonardo is doing but what I do know is Flannery has hired former fire chiefs to engage in spreading propaganda and alarmism.

Loydo
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 21, 2019 12:21 am

You’re not just repeating fibs you’ve heard without checking first?

Tom Foley
Reply to  Leslie Graham
December 20, 2019 3:40 am

That includes the pyromaniacs who join fire brigades in order to get their kicks by lighting fires and then fighting them? I don’t think they need to be paid.

Megs
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 12:31 pm

What’s even more sick about that Tom is that the Rural Bush Fire Brigade are volunteers, they don’t get paid. They do get donations and funding for equipment. My youngest son is a member so it’s the likes of him that are having there lives put at risk because of fools.

I’m not really sure exactly how it works, but I believe the volunteers can ‘down tool’s so to speak to leave their regular job to go out and fight a fire. If a firey is away from his job for a few days fighting fires then his regular employer is not obliged to pay him for missed days.

Tom Foley
Reply to  Leslie Graham
January 1, 2020 8:50 pm

Much of the country where fires are currently burning in Australia, such as the mountains right behind the coast in SE NSW, is poorly accessible by road. Tourists and residents on the coast are currently trapped due to this limitation because the few access roads are blocked.

When a fire starts, and in the current extreme conditions, many or most are of natural ignition, it spawns more and more fires as the wind carries burning embers ahead of the fire front. Some eye-witness reports describe how some of the towns have been burnt out as showers of burning embers ignited one house after enough. This is obvious in some of the videos.

Myths such as all fires are deliberately started by greenies and hippies (most hippies are in their 70s and 80s now, and in nursing homes) funded by de Caprio or whoever are pure deflection to avoid facing the real issue, that the weather has been highly unusual. Maybe it’s not global warming, but something out of the ordinary is happening here.

I’m watching a TV update on the fires as I write this, and the rural fire spokesman has just stated that how the fires are moving is way outside the predicted fire behaviour based on temperature, wind and topography. This techique has been developed in Australia, and has been reliable as a fire-fighting tool, until now. ( No it wasn’t the ABC, it was one of the commercial stations.)

Things really have changed!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris
December 20, 2019 12:02 am

Have a look at this;

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-monster-a-short-history-of-australia-s-biggest-forest-fire-20191218-p53l4y.html

It shows the fires are in a national park. What was permitted in the 80’s, like public access for animal/pet grazing and proper hazard reduction burns hasn’t happened for decades. The result is fuel load builds and when alight, fire storms like we are experiencing now.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 6:52 am

Sounds like California.

KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 20, 2019 3:38 pm

Amen, Tom A. Sadly so.

Simon
Reply to  Chris
December 20, 2019 9:53 am

So which one is it Chris? Is “the climate is always changing ” or is “the weather is no different today as it was 100 years ago?”

Geoff Sherrington
December 19, 2019 10:29 pm

The ABC charter demands balance.
Which group will the ABC publicise to promote the opposite, balanced ideal? Geoff S

WXcycles
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
December 19, 2019 11:00 pm

Apparently the Charter had its teeth extracted.

MarkW
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
December 20, 2019 8:23 am

Balance in climate science consists of two commentators.
One who declares CO2 will kill us in a dozen years and a second who disagrees saying, it will take CO2 100 years in order to kill us.

brians356
December 19, 2019 10:31 pm

Australia as a concept has run its course. It’s been in decline since the film “Breaker Morant” was produced in 1980.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  brians356
December 19, 2019 10:44 pm

Tend to agree with you there. No industry to speak of outside the property market, 100,000+ new migrants arriving in Sydney every year, creating a situation where 100’s of applications apply for each and every single job ad (True in my experience now in IT. 2019 has been very bad workwise for me) and crippling housing costs. AU$120k p/a isn’t enough on a single income after taxes.

And the ABC want workers to “strike”. As the ABC is a govn’t agency maybe the authors were talking govn’t workers that are still employed?

Megs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 1:55 am

New migrants 250,000 A year! That’s why we have trouble keeping up with infrastructure, transport, education etc, etc.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Megs
December 20, 2019 2:49 am

Yes, nationally, but about 100,000 in Sydney/NSW alone. There has also been a shift interstate from Syd/NSW to Vic and Qld, funnily enough, in mining and retail/services industries.

Megs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 2:57 am

Too many Patrick, as you know, when our own can’t find work it doesn’t make sense.

May 2020 be kinder to us all.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 4:44 am

dont forget hospitals and aged care
it would cost me 3k of my own dosh to fund a cert 3 aged care, to wash floors and do laundry etc maybe help someone shower etc
but we have a hospital full of asian and african mid east staff and home carers ditto
while locals cant get a look in.
govvy assist packages got 2 mobs our motel and what WAS a famous and popular cafe
well 2 mths in the cafe can hardly make a coffee let alone bake bread, the motels lost longterm customers who always stayed in the town due to lack of hygeine and poor service
they were two of the only reliable places to attract people here
so much for immigrant boosting local rural communities;-(

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 5:52 am

“ozspeaksup December 20, 2019 at 4:44 am”

That is because many health facilities cannot find Australians willing to work in that industry, so they import workers. The money is rubbish for most workers.

Ron Long
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 2:01 am

Patrick, either find your own Donald J. Trump, or wait another five years and get him to do a short gig as Ozzie Pres and get the economy booming. Our Dow is up 10,000 points since his election, unemployment in all sectors at near-historic lows, China held at bay, and liberal nutjobs forming circular firing squads. All in three years. Australia has enough potential to get this done.

Bryan A
Reply to  Ron Long
December 20, 2019 10:10 am

+1+

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 4:37 am

well 200 of the abc staff are going to find a taste of reality soon i gather
bestnews in ages
hearing them moan is music to my ears
couse it wont be the commie ringleaders they always hold their jobs

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 20, 2019 6:45 am

I have a mate working as a contractor at the ABC HQ here in Sydney he says the ABC staff he works with are pretty sloppy.

Hokey Schtick
Reply to  brians356
December 19, 2019 11:02 pm

Exactly. The country without culture. Now a groupthink quagmire.

J Mac
Reply to  brians356
December 19, 2019 11:25 pm

China will be glad to claim Australia’s natural resources, via the ‘Belt and Road’ con, if Aussies are not vigilante.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  J Mac
December 20, 2019 4:48 am

got a toe in cos Vic premier DID join belt n road scam….the mans a californian in disguise i reckon

Patrick MJD
December 19, 2019 10:37 pm

Funny. Here is Sydney nearly 40,000 full-time job positions have been lost to down-sizing, Govn’t departments merging, redundancies etc etc, across all sectors. I have been out of work for 9 months.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 19, 2019 11:13 pm

That should read 40,000 jobs lost since August to be accurate.

a happy little debunker
December 19, 2019 10:40 pm

The one Aussie Pollie that could call out the climate mumbo jumbo over bushfires was un-elected in May.
What is he doing today?
Fighting fires with his RFS.

BTW, This is the same national broadcaster that today factchecked fuel management as ‘complicated’ – whilst insisting that the current fires are due to climate change.
Mind you they haven’t been able to indicate which element of the ‘Fire triangle’ – oxygen, ignition sources or fuel loads is impacted by this ‘climate change’.

As I pointed out to a rando on the beach last week, after she dared to comment about all the weird weather – The Sahara is both hotter and drier than much of Australia, but doesn’t seem to have the same bushfire issues.
Alas, she thought that was an ‘interesting take’.

Tom Foley
Reply to  a happy little debunker
December 19, 2019 11:28 pm

Where I live in Australia, it’s getting more like the Sahara, hotter, drier, bare sand, no vegetation. There are a few miserable sheep left, kept alive by truckloads of hay and water. But they’ll be dead soon.

So, you’ve hit upon the ideal solution: the Sahara Solution to bushfire control. When it gets as hot and dry everywhere in Australia, then nothing will grow, so no bushfires! Brilliant. I’m not quite sure what we’ll all do for a living then, but do have a great asset, the biggest population of camels in the world.

45 degrees centigrade here yesterday and today.

charles nelson
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 1:00 am

Why you live in desert Tom?
Most people live in desert enjoy live in desert.
Don’t complain.
Why you live in desert and complain Tom?

Tom Foley
Reply to  charles nelson
December 20, 2019 3:38 am

I wasn’t complaining, I was highlighting an advantage of deserts:
they don’t have bushfires because there’s nothing much to burn. Then I rather facetiously suggested that turning Australia entirely into desert will solve the bushfire problem. It may be hot here, but it’s actually rather relaxing not to have to worry about bushfires.

Of course if you’re a pastoralist in an area that is desertifying, you will be unhappy about your sheep dying and the fact that you’re going broke.

WXcycles
Reply to  a happy little debunker
December 20, 2019 12:10 am

” … The Sahara is both hotter and drier than much of Australia, … ”
—-

Drier yes, hotter no. Australia is fairly consistently hotter than the Sahara during a typical summer. The only place in North Africa that approaches the typical widespread heat levels in Australia’s interior is around the rift valley region, no doubt due to its depressed crustal elevations. And Australia is still considerably hotter. North Africa doesn’t have anything like Australia’s thick bush and upslope forest cover, it’s continuity or its flammability. And when North Africa burns it’s nothing like what occurs in a Western state’s international media-circus.

The only place I know of which rivals Australia’s interior heat is the central Arab states in the Middle East.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  WXcycles
December 20, 2019 1:05 am

That would be the Afar region in northern Ethiopia, yes, it is the hottest place on earth where the crust is being pulled apart, thinning out and will, eventually, form an internal sea. The evidence is already appearing as far south as Kenya. Not much grows there IIRC. One disadvantage Australia has it the trees. Not many gums in Africa (There are plenty in Ethiopia, great building material, but a ground water hog. Thanks to their King in the 1960’s).

Gumnut
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 3:35 am

‘Not many gums in Africa’ apart from Ethiopia, is incorrect, although it is true that Ethiopia has a lot due to the actions of a former leader.

It is one of the major plantation genera in South Africa, Kenya, Zambia, Angola, Cameroon, Uganda, Zimbabwe and Algeria just to name a few countries.

As for being water-hogs, trees that are growing quickly tend to use water more quickly too. More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere may help diminish that water use somewhat.

And yes, eucalypts are highly flammable, with the leaf oil content. Well, most are. Some species in the super-genus do not really have typical eucalypt oils at all.

It is actually quite hard in Australia to be a gum-nut, without being a greenie to boot! It is like forestry never existed and trees are only ever homes for animals or something that will die with climate change (cue bogey-man music). Green wisdom says that eucalypt forest should never, ever be cool-burned to reduce fuel-loads. It could kill the green spirit of the forest or somesuch…

Apparently.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Gumnut
December 20, 2019 9:18 am

As I understand it, all of those trees in those countries are imports from Australia. They are not natives. And I know there are no bio security type border controls across either of those countries.

Megs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 2:13 pm

One of the things I enjoyed about travel was different cultures, geography, architecture and of course flora and fauna. It got to the point that Australian trees and shrubs are so widespread globally that you me as well stay home.

Loydo
Reply to  Gumnut
December 20, 2019 5:20 pm

You went and spoilt what was shaping up to be an interesting post with:

“Green wisdom says that eucalypt forest should never, ever be cool-burned to reduce fuel-loads.”

Thats just a puerile zombie myth and whenever asked for evidence of it…there is none. Plenty of instances of the myth being parroted, but no actual evidence or source. Put in a few more micro-seconds of thought and you’d realize how silly it sounds. How about doing some actual research into why there has been insufficient fuel-load reduction. instead of confirming your bias and re-parroting it.

Tom Foley
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 4:04 am

The inland desert areas of Australia do not have a lot of trees. The commonest are casurinas and wattles (mulga); eucalypts tend to be restricted to dry creek beds and their banks.

The current bushfire problem is aggravated because coastal and mountain areas, where most eucalypt forests grow, are getting hotter for longer.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 4:55 am

and the IOD is having an off year(or two) but thats shifting as is the Enso again i see
theres hope for monsoons up nth soon
and then?
we flood as normal

oddness ?
they shut the WA/Adelaide highway near Norseman and Kalgoorlie this arvo due to fire risk
huh
low scrubby bush at best cant figure why stranding travellers of 40+heat on a highway was safer than allowing them to travel with police etc escort if really needed?

Megs
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 20, 2019 12:54 pm

We traveled from Sydney up through northern SA and right up to Darwin last year. Didn’t see too many areas that didn’t have vegetation of some sort. The scrub in that area of SA sticks in my mind, you always knew their were feral goats around, the bushes looked like they had been trimmed from underneath.

We traveled up through NT in winter, plenty of preventative burning up there.

4 Eyes
Reply to  WXcycles
December 20, 2019 2:28 am

Oman is lots hotter than Oz, consistently. Indisputable, spent lots of time in both, summers and winters. The Algerian Sahara is hotter than Oz but not as hot as Oman.

WXcycles
Reply to  4 Eyes
December 20, 2019 8:32 am

If you want to get geographical about it, I seriously doubt there’s an equivalent area on earth hotter than the Pilbara region in north Western Australia. Not only is it in about the hottest part of Australia, its outcrops and gravel ‘soils’ are made up of high-grade metal oxide banded-iron-formation.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  WXcycles
December 20, 2019 4:52 am

south aussies claim to fame
the driest state in the driest continent on earth
I grew up there and NT with stops in Innaminka and Nappermarie

Mike
December 19, 2019 10:47 pm

”While the impacts of climate change have long been felt by frontline communities”

Absolute made up garbage.

Hugs
Reply to  Mike
December 20, 2019 12:36 am

Read: we didn’t notice anything, but the MSM has filled our heads with stories about Carteret and Maldives.

Mike
December 19, 2019 10:55 pm

”There is hope, however.”

There is ZERO hope at the moment. The cancer is spreading….

”vibrant student climate strikes”.

You mean climate parties

”Outdoor workers, especially those engaged in heavy labour, are particularly vulnerable to the health risks from smoke and particulate levels in the air”

Yes reducing co2 levels will fix that one!

”unprecedented drought,”

I seriously doubt that.

tonyb
Editor
December 19, 2019 11:36 pm

Perhaps the shortcomings of renewables-including insufficient supplies of raw material, intermittency, storage and synchronicity with the grid- can be overcome by 2050 or thereabouts, but with energy consumption set to soar by 50% and with the long lead in time for energy projects, renewables can not fully take up the fossil fuel gap in the interim.

Many activist groups eagerly endorsing the ‘No Co2 emissions by 2025’ demanded by Extinction Rebellion must know this target is impossible without trashing the economy and upending modern life. These are some of the measures needed to achieve a low emissions lifestyle.

Private cars to be impounded and assuming journeys are necessary in the first place, travel only by bus, cycling, walking or train. For students, no parents taxi service. No flying except in an emergency so obviously no foreign holidays and forget skiing. No spring water in plastic bottles, No imported food or food out of season when there is a local alternative. No Burgers and little other meat, dairy or fish, no hot daily showers, an embargo on throw away fashion clothes and shoes, no cotton. Infrequent washing of clothes in tepid water and no artificial drying. Drastic reductions of energy guzzling internet and social media, with environmentally damaging smart phones and computers rationed to one a household and kept for years, and curtailment of consumer good purchases. Accept carbon rationing.

Curtail consumption of habitat destroying coffee and forego endless home deliveries, whether fast food or shoes. Cease attendance at festivals or sporting events, especially overseas or with floodlights. New content on tv or film, especially when made overseas to be curtailed, endure minimal home heating. No cooking or heating with gas, expect regular power cuts. Curtail vegan foods which have achieved mythical planet saving status, despite many vegan ingredients being imported –often by air-bearing huge carbon footprints.

Perhaps striking school children or the various activist groups believing there is a ‘climate emergency’ can inform the rest of us which measures they have personally implemented to selflessly regress to the modern version of an ‘alternative’ lifestyle’?

Does anyone reading this have a budding Greta-child or adult-at home? If so please ask them which of the sacrifices listed they have given up or intend to during the next few weeks?

Will the silence be deafening or are people really prepared to revert to a medieval life style in order to ‘save the planet?’

tonyb

Tom Foley
Reply to  tonyb
December 19, 2019 11:43 pm

What’s wrong with cotton? It’s vegan! And it’s an annual crop so if there is no water, it’s not planted.

tonyb
Editor
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 12:28 am

Tom

It takes 20000 litres of water to make 1KG of cotton which then has to be processed and transported to those rich countries using it as shopping bags to put their bottled water from Iceland in. Various environments all over the world have been ruined trying to keep these crops growing.

tonyb

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 1:51 am

Water is there year round, through irrigation. No shortage of water for cotton farmers, yet. Cotton, regardless what is said, should never be gown in Australia.

Tom Foley
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 3:57 am

Water has been not around all year in the Darling River and its tributaries, irrigation or not. The biggest Australian cotton producer, Cubbie Station, in sth Qld, has not had any water or produced a crop for two years, nor have cotton farmers in NSW. That’s the point I was making: cotton is annual, so if there’s no water, just don’t plant. Annual crops are a practical choice for a country like Australia with extreme fluctuations in water availability.

The real problem in the Murray-Darling is almonds. They use about the same amount of water per hectare as cotton, but they are perennial trees and must be watered all the time. Perennials are a bad choice for a country like Australia where there are extreme fluctuations in water availability.

Almond plantings have expanded greatly over the last 20 years. The privatisation of water has aggravated the situation. This is why the Murray River farmers are up in arms. The blame game with cotton and environmental water has obscured this.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 5:01 am

american almond growers moved in bought land n water rights in areas where they shouldnt BE grown
they dont need water in winter unless its a dry one theyre dormant! so minimal water to enable spring growth
what they FAILED epically to count into the factor is?
Cockatoos!
gas scareguns dont work for long its ilegal to shoot or trap the buggers
and they can strip a tree and new growth in a very short time
Im waiting for the howls and gnashing of teeth when reality (cocky) bites, Hard1

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Tom Foley
December 20, 2019 2:11 am

Look it up: ‘former Aral Sea’.

Tom Foley
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
December 20, 2019 4:13 am

Yes, I am aware of the environmental catastrophe of the Aral Sea. We are not quite so far gone because our federal system has meant that in the Murray-Darling system, upstream users can’t totally dominate downstream users. The original River Murray Agreement 1915 ensured South Australia was protected. Of course the states are still fighting over this.

The Aral Sea was also naturally saline, so mismanagement tipped it over completely.

3x2
Reply to  tonyb
December 20, 2019 10:45 am

Tony ( yes a little late to the conversation here),

The problem I find with the ‘green’ religion is that it differs, significantly from all other established religions in that, outside of radical Islam, it is the only religion that requires total obedience.

That is to say that all the major religions, including Islam, emphasise personal responsibility. You ‘sin’ and ‘God’ will hold you personally responsible. Fair enough if one were a ‘true believer’. I don’t have a problem with somebody telling me that Bacon or Cigarettes or shag**** girls is a ‘mortal sin’. They can point this out and walk away. Their ‘God’ will sort it out.

Greens, however, need everybody to get with the program otherwise we all die. If your view is that just one ‘dissenter’ could spell doom for everyone then anything goes …

Andy Mansell
December 20, 2019 12:20 am

Vibrant student climate strikes- how the hell would we know if they were actually on strike? Do they actually need to get out of bed for this? Also, since our taxes fund their education, can we expect a refund and a reduction of their grants if they don’t attend?

Ben Vorlich
December 20, 2019 12:38 am

France may the exception that proves the rule, strikes seem as popular as ever.

Firey
December 20, 2019 12:43 am

Cut the ABC free of it’s Government subsidy of about 1 billion per annum. Let them privatise & live in the real world. Send the money saved to the farmers.

Megs
Reply to  Firey
December 20, 2019 2:52 am

Water for the farmers and for the Rural Bush Fire Brigade.

Merry Christmas ‘Firey’ to you and to those who fight fires with you.

Loydo
December 20, 2019 12:44 am

“they were suffering the effects of climate change, and urged others to follow their lead.”

Speaking of “suffering the effects of climate change”; three weeks into summer and hundreds of heat records being smashed in Australia, again. Here’s a good’un: Keith, SA’s max today 48.4C(119F), breaking a 115 yo December record by 4C+. If not yet unlivable, certainly not much good for their main crop wheat…

Phil
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 2:11 am

Interesting blog post on how temperatures are measured in Australia…

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2019/12/new-record-temperatures-need-justification/

Scissor
Reply to  Phil
December 20, 2019 5:36 am

All over, historic records are being erased. i.e. scrubbed from the record books, the type of revisionist history that Orwell warned us about. There wasn’t enough coverage many decades ago to make a proper comparison in the first place, but now the left simply disappears that and those who are inconvenient.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Phil
December 20, 2019 6:32 am

It’s a good observation by Jennifer, she is watching the BoM and their magic hottest temperature evah making machine. From the link;

“But how exactly are the temperatures being measured, and which stations are being combined?”

That’s what I would like to know too. I read an initial article about that day and the words used were “preliminary figures released from the BoM” which I read to mean “We’re still adjusting, selecting the right combination of stations, to reach the correct number for media release”. And so it was, that day was the hottest, national averaged, record evah (Well, since 1910 anyway).

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 2:20 am

over 40% of BOM sites are unfit for any purpose whatsoever.

There 2 sites in “Keith”

Located in Keith Area School in a vegetable garden.
No buffer zone as such.
Buildings close by.

Fails in:
Natural vegetation <10cm, not watered
30m x 30m buffer zone, natural vegetation < 0.5m
360 degree view of sky
Isolated obstruction < 15m high at least 4x height from enclosure

Overall assessment: Class 4 (Class 1 = best, grading to Class 5 = worst)
Other site is just south of a 3 lane bitumen road, and the winds were northerly

UNFIT FOR PURPOSE

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 2:22 am

oops

2nd site is on the southern edge of the Keith railway yard, which is a large expanse of open largely vegetation free gravel and dirt with the main railway line running through it

UNFIT FOR PURPOSE.

Loydo
Reply to  fred250
December 20, 2019 3:44 am

“over 40% of BOM sites are unfit for any purpose whatsoever.”
Says who?

So pick the nearest one that is as you shout FIT FOR PURPOSE and also smashed they’re all time heat record. There are dozens of them, take your pick. Naracoorte? Bordertown? Mt Gambier? Penola?
How about Renmark highest in 60 years 45.1 today 47.7.
Or Strathalbyn- highest max since 1957 was 42.2C. Three weeks into summer and so far this week: 41.6, 43.4, 41.2 and to top it off 45.7 today. 45.7! Thats smashes a 60 year record by 3.5C but instead you want to attack the messenger. SMFH.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 5:07 am

Hottest day/year on record when we know the record, those recorded on traditional thermometers, has been tampered with for inclusion in ACORN-SAT1 and then again in ACORN-SAT2? I will go with actual paper based records that show the current summer temperatures are nothing especially hot.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 5:12 am

my local is crap, 50k from naracoorte in vic. cant get barometric pressure in 13yrs its done it twice
when that works the rainfall doesnt
since they tarmaced the strip added 2 large shed/hangars for the ambulance service the temps dont correlate to what anyone here measures
meanwhile yes a hot foul day
BUT
the temp dropped 20c in 30 mins too when the change arrived
also normal
as were the fires started by dry lightning;-(

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 8:41 am

Says who?

Says the people who have surveyed the stations and applied the accepted standards to them.

Loydo
Reply to  MarkW
December 20, 2019 2:00 pm

Who?
Make it Mark, at it again.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 5:05 am

if it had headed and was dry aready no harm done
a lot will be a tad dusty as we had a dust storm late arvo
and some may be bent over as the winds were damned near 100k at times;-(

im about an hr from Kieth and it was a foul day well n truly.
aussie summer like I remember em

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 8:39 am

Isn’t Loydo one of the first to remind us that cold weather is merely weather?

Like the rest of the alarmists, she’s a total hypocrite.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 20, 2019 10:01 am

Markw
You really do have your head in the (ever increasing) sand don’t you. Heat records break cold ones by two to one (you tried to refute this one by saying it isn’t so… but as always, no evidence). And…. if you read anything you would know cold records are still expected, particularly as the climate becomes more unstable.

Loydo
Reply to  MarkW
December 20, 2019 2:06 pm

Go on, we’re all waiting; where did I say “cold weather is merely weather”?
You’re accusing *me* of making stuff up?

Mike
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 4:44 pm

Then what is it? Go on, we’re all waiting…..

LdB
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 9:12 am

Wow the extra 0.6 of a degree is really going to kill us 🙂

As for the wheat crop that would have be harvested you fool, the paddocks will just have stubble.
So lets look at South Australia wheat crop this year shall we
https://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/research-topics/agricultural-commodities/australian-crop-report/south-australia

On no Loydo … how did that happen

Wheat production is forecast to increase by 19% in 2019–20 to around 3.5 million tonnes, reflecting a 13% increase in the average yield and an estimated 5% increase in planted area.

Probably go flog fires again at least we can agree they are problematic and cause death and damage.

Loydo
Reply to  LdB
December 20, 2019 4:51 pm

You missed a bit, it went on to say:

“…However, production in 2018–19 was very low and forecast production in 2019–20 is still 15% below the 10-year average to 2018–19. “

LdB
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 7:36 pm

Which shows you that the production movement has nothing to do with increased temperature 🙂

The main production control is rainfall which any farmer knows.

Mike
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 4:39 pm

Loydo ……”Speaking of “suffering the effects of climate change”; ”

Here’s a good’un: Keith, SA’s max today 48.4C(119F), breaking a 115 yo December record by 4C+. ”

And was it climate change back 115 years ago that caused the 44C? And when the weather cools down again, that too must be because of climate change right? Or does climate change only work when it’s hot? And please explain to us the mechanism where a 1C rise (over a century mind) leads to hotter days today? You really lack any imagination at all don’t you? You constantly fall into the same trap that the climate ”scientist” morons do.

Loydo
Reply to  Mike
December 20, 2019 6:10 pm

“And please explain to us the mechanism where a 1C rise (over a century mind) leads to hotter days today?”

Total mystery to me too.

Mike
Reply to  Loydo
December 20, 2019 7:45 pm

It’s no mystery. It’s a myth

Gumnut
December 20, 2019 1:32 am

Our ABC could all go strike. Indefinitely. However, who would they notify of the action?

Getup or The Greens? Or both?

Geoff Cruickshank
December 20, 2019 2:24 am

Personally, I still see the vision splendid
Of the sunlit plains extended
But most opinion influencing Australians seem to be fighting over their gender pronouns.
So, I decline to expend any effort to increase the common wealth and concentrate on interests very close to home.
I recommend it as an answer to the wider madness.

Zigmaster
December 20, 2019 2:58 am

I like the way people who don’t get their way complain that the problem is that the winning side is behaving undemocratically. Three examples. Remainers complain that Brexit is an example of democracy not working, in the USA the democrats say TRumps behaviour is Undemocratic aNd he deserves to be impeached on extremely spurious grounds and in Australia the Greens, the ABC and Labor all claim that it was an election on climate change but unless the government takes further action they are behaving undemocratically. Let me explain. “ You Lost” that’s how democracies work and if you believe that your position is the right one you get a chance to prove it in 3-4 years when you can reverse the decision. Ironically the way all these losers are carrying on almost guarantees that they’ll be on the losing side as well next time. No one likes a sore loser.

griff
December 20, 2019 3:00 am

Sydney has again got dangerous air quality, there are hundreds of fires burning, there has been record temperatures now for 2 days (and this is just the start of Australian summer – 3 months to go). Record drought, rainforest burning.

You would have thought any Australian can see there’s a problem and be out on the streets.

This is clearly exceptional and clearly climate change.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 20, 2019 8:43 am

The fact there is nothing unusual about big fires is totally beyond the mental abilities of our climate trolls.
If it’s bad, it’s caused by CO2. That’s the limit of their mental abilities.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
December 20, 2019 9:12 am

3 months of summer to go, is that right? You don’t do maths well do you! It’s the 21st of Dec now leaving 10 more days followed by the last 2 months, Jan and Feb.

It’s true the air quality is down, bit smokey, but it does not last long, a couple of days at worst, with wind direction changes, it clears quickly. We have a forecast of a hot day tomorrow, due entirely by hot winds form the centre, followed by an up to 20c drop due to a southerly flow. So nothing unusual there. BTW, we have not had record temperature for 2 days. The BoM reports a “preliminary” record national averaged temperature however, no details are ever released about how the BoM calculates that average.

Drought, yes, but not unusual. Bush/Forest burning, if you exclude the ~87% started by arsonists, it’s not unusual for summer.

Out on the streets and do what, protest? Already happening at Kirribilli, the residence of the PM, with a Greens’ MP arrested for failing to adhere to police requests to move on.

Not climate change, global “climate scientists” have already stated there is no direct link between drought and climate change.

It’s a normal Aussie summer.

LdB
Reply to  griff
December 20, 2019 9:18 am

Yet the vast majority of Australian’s don’t give a dam except a few lefties. That is what happens when a UK troll is talking junk about our own country.

Anyhow we look forward to lots of rain next year from all the crying greens and lefties as COP26 fails and the Paris agreement will need scrambling to bring into enforcement in 2020 as planned.

Tom Foley
Reply to  LdB
December 20, 2019 1:57 pm

‘Yet the vast majority of Australians don’t care except a few lefties’.

If ‘caring’ about the current situation defines a leftie, then the leftie ranks are growing: those people whose homes or businesses have been burnt out, those whose lives have been disrupted by having to flee the fires, those whose jobs have been temporarily closed down or lost; the volunteer fire-fighter, their worrying families, the volunteers who look after and feed the fire-fighters, the animal rescue crews, and all the people in the nearby villages and towns whose lives and businesses have been impacted. Bushfires are a slow disaster whose impacts ripple through the affected communities for years.

If all these people are lefties, then you are praising lefties! We should all be more leftie!

But I think your premise is wrong: the vast majority of Australians do care, regardless of their political views. And firefighters don’t ask whether you are left or right wing before they try to save you. Maybe everyone should do the same – stop labelling people and then judging them by those labels. (You disagree with me, therefore you are a leftie, therefore you must believe in the worst excesses of totalitarian communism etc).

3x2
Reply to  griff
December 20, 2019 11:18 am

Sydney has again got dangerous air quality, there are hundreds of fires burning

Griff,
First, are you suggesting that Sydney ‘air quality’ is a function of ‘global warming’?

Could it be, for example, related to Gov. regulations on not allowing ‘burn off’? A perfectly natural event, that if delayed, interference could cause more problems than it solves?

A ‘burn off’ of one years mess is what the bush needs but Government interference holds off the burn for five years. End result – total destruction?

Stop messing around with systems that you simply don’t understand.

Kamikazedave
December 20, 2019 4:11 am

ABC stands for Alcoholic Beverage Control here in Virginia. I’m sure they have a much better handle on the climate situation then their Aussie counterpart.

Bob Greene
Reply to  Kamikazedave
December 20, 2019 6:19 am

The Commonwealth is in the liquor business, but they do have Black Friday sales.

Sheri
December 20, 2019 5:55 am

Good point. The more violent, angry and idiotic these people become the more the normal people despise them and their cause. Nothing makes one want to join a cause more than morons standing in morning traffic. So yeah, keep it up. Destroy your credibility and your cause. Saves the rational folks the time and work and then we can go to real work and get on with our lives, unlike the losers at these rallies.

Also, make sure NO ONE reads or understands Marxism and where that goes. Workers are useful idiots, nothing more, and these idiots are doing their best to end up earning 12 cents an hour and living with little heat or food after the overlords dump them. Fodder for cannons, soylent green. Yet, through thousands of years of history, this is how humans lived and now that they broke free, they BEG to go back to starving, dying and suffering. The human race is dominated by idiots.

Rod Evans
December 20, 2019 6:21 am

We should support those who demand ABC go on strike. They should remain on strike until the ABC confirm there is no climate crisis.
They should stay on strike until they appologise for being part of the climate crisis purveyors of lies.
Strike as long as you like ABC the relief from propaganda will be most welcome.

LdB
Reply to  Rod Evans
December 20, 2019 9:19 am

Get them to go on strike and then lock the doors and shut it down or better still sell it 🙂

PaulH
December 20, 2019 7:03 am

Oz’s tax dollars at work.

beng135
December 20, 2019 7:13 am

Will current students have to make up strike-days like my generation had to make up snow-days?

/rhetorical

Patrick MJD
December 20, 2019 9:35 am

A national park, full to the brim with fuel load after decades of mismanagement, one lightening strike??

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-monster-a-short-history-of-australia-s-biggest-forest-fire-20191218-p53l4y.html

Is climate change.

Warren
December 20, 2019 1:19 pm

ABC – Another Bloody Communist

Hadyn
December 20, 2019 2:16 pm

The ABC is not government run. It is government owned. As anyone who knows anything about the ABC understands, it is staff run. Along the lines of a workers collective. Despite its best efforts, the government has never had any ability to counter the Leftist, collectivist, group think of the ABC.

Johann Wundersamer
January 1, 2020 7:49 pm

“Workers are on the frontline of the climate crisis, but they have the power to fight back

By Elizabeth Humphrys, Freya Newman, and Natasha Heenan.”

____________________________________

Eric, must be a sight –

Aussie Government ABC staffers Elizabeth Humphrys, Freya Newman, and Natasha Heenan on the streets,

convincing workers to strike for

Aussie Government ABC + staffers Elizabeth Humphrys, Freya Newman, and Natasha Heenan.

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