Politicized veganism

Do we really have to tolerate local, state, national or UN officials telling us what we may eat?

Guest post by Duggan Flanakin,

The average American ate some 220 pounds of red meat and poultry in 2018, according to the US Department of Agriculture, surpassing a record set in 2004. But some politicians have joined anti-meat and climate change activists in a massive effort to restructure the American diet – and to ensure … and mandate … that the rest of the world will be stuck with a mostly plant-based diet.

Last March, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio shocked America’s meat producers by announcing the expansion of “meatless Mondays” to all New York City public schools. The reason? “To keep our lunch and planet green for generations to come.” So now they claim eating meat also threatens the planet.

Monday Campaigns is a national organization that collaborates with the Center for a Livable Future (CLF) at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Its goal is to reduce US meat consumption by 15% “for our personal health and the health of the planet.”

Finnish researchers in 2012 investigated the intended and unintended effects of mandatory “vegetarian days” in Helsinki schools. While the compulsory restrictions “increased healthy and sustainable dietary patterns,” they also resulted in “psychological reactance, hedonic dislike, and noncompliance.” Refuseniks at a Finnish military base leave behind dumpsters of empty pizza boxes on forced-vegan day.

Liberal-progressive local governments are already looking at replicating de Blasio’s bold move. For example, a resolution calling for Meatless Mondays in Hawaii public schools came close to enactment in the Hawaii State Legislature in 2019, and supporters are hopeful it will become law next year.

One of the world’s leading voices condemning meat consumption is the United Nations. In 2018 it bestowed one of its “Champions of the Earth” awards to Patrick O. Brown of Impossible Foods and Ethan Brown of Beyond Meat. The awards follow and buttress UN Environment Programme claims that “our use of animals as a food-production technology has brought us to the verge of catastrophe.”

Both Browns insist that, because “the destructive impact of animal agriculture on our environment far exceeds that of any other technology on Earth, there is no pathway to achieve the Paris climate objectives without a massive decrease in the scale of animal agriculture.”

The anti-meat campaign has hit other top echelons of the UN. Christiana Figueres, former executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, recently stated her hope that restaurants of the future will “treat carnivores the same way that smokers are treated [today]. If they want to eat meat, they can do it outside the restaurant.” But not the way they’re treating meat at COP-25 in Madrid.

The UN is also touting a “study,” published in the journal Nature, which claims that “huge reductions in meat eating are essential to avoid dangerous climate change.” The authors implore western countries to cut their beef consumption by 90 percent.

Then in almost its next breath, the UN hosts yet another gala affair and lavish meals at 5-star hotels in Bali, Brazil and other lovely locations, attended by countless thousands of activists, bureaucrats, reporters and politicians. Why should these ruling elites have to worry about “carbon footprints” and rules they promulgate for the rest of us, the world’s unwashed masses, who will comply or face the consequences?

The Economist published results of two other “studies” claiming that going vegan for two-thirds of meals could cut food-related carbon emissions by 60 percent. Total veganism is “the most environmentally friendly,” with “die-hard leaf-eaters claiming to have knocked 85% off their carbon footprint.”

It all follows a familiar, predictable, totalitarian pattern that ought to set off global alarms. Find a target of “eco-progressive” hate. Vilify the target, and demand that it be restricted or eradicated – to prevent yet another civilizational or planetary cataclysm. Redefine science and morality to drive the agenda. Reward and publicize those who support the claims and campaign. Condemn and silence anyone who questions or challenges them. Impose new rules.

On climate change, assume and assert that carbon dioxide and methane are the primary or only factors. That any weather and climate changes today are unprecedented, existential threats. That anyone who challenges these assertions is a “denier” who must be silenced, jailed, exiled and re-educated.

Danish environmental economist Bjorn Lomborg, mocks the anti-meat “studies” and arguments. Lomborg is a vegetarian himself but says 1.45 billion of the world’s people are vegetarians because of their extreme poverty, and many of them desperately want to be able to afford meat in their diets.

He chastises those who claim going vegetarian will cut “carbon footprints” in half, noting that food-related emissions account for just 20% of total carbon dioxide releases. A study of Swedish vegetarians found that lifelong vegetarianism would reduce net carbon dioxide emissions just 2 percent. Meanwhile, Chinese and Indian coal-fired power plant emissions dwarf those savings 100 times over.

Moreover, healthy vegetarian diets require very careful attention to food and supplements, to ensure proper nutrition; vegan diets even more so. That’s impossible in impoverished countries and families.

Enormous environmental and agricultural problems also loom. Cattle, sheep and pigs can graze on lands that would be plowed under for food crops under an all-veggie dictatorship. But that same system is determined to replace fossil fuels with wind turbines, solar panels, biofuels and batteries that would make tens of millions of acres unavailable or unsuitable for growing the needed food crops.

And those same activists, bureaucrats and politicians also want to ban modern hybrid and biotech seeds, fertilizers, pesticides and mechanized farming. We’d get even less food from diminished acreage. More and more people would become increasingly malnourished, starve, go blind, and die.

Reduced atmospheric carbon dioxide would mean plants would be deprived of their basic building block – and need more water in a water-starved world. If the planet cools, instead of warming, we would have far less arable land, shorter growing seasons, and still worse agricultural conditions. More would starve.

Do you know what’s in those plant-based meats – those ultra-processed imitation meats that are assembled in industrial factories and enhanced with chemicals to make vegan burgers more tasty and palatable? Tasty ingredients like methylcellulose, titanium dioxide, propylene glycol, ferric phosphate and magnesium carbonate. Do grasshoppers and other tasty insects count as meat?

The truth is, the “vegan revolution” is overstated. A recent Gallup poll found only 5% of Americans are vegetarian and just 3% are vegan. But 16% of liberals are vegetarian or vegan, compared with just 2% of conservatives. The numbers are much higher for younger progressives in the USA and elsewhere.

Those numbers almost certainly reflect the constant indoctrination, fear-mongering and silencing of skeptical voices in schools from kindergarten through graduate school; on social and in large segments of traditional media; in political circles; and in the UN and other unaccountable government organizations.

It also helps explain how and why Goldsmiths, in the University of London, has been able to ban beef from the entire campus. Goldsmiths professor France Corner has sounded the predictable alarm: “The growing global call for organizations to take seriously their responsibilities for halting climate change is impossible to ignore.” Especially if his campus is as intolerant of other views as are so many others – and so willing to lash out verbally, physically and with threats of expulsion against any contrarians.

It’s one more example of our “progressive” elites taking us down the road to totalitarian rule – all in the name of saving us and “the only planet we have” from imminent manmade catastrophe. Whether the goal is to enlist vegans and vegetarians in the “climate catastrophe” movement, or to include veganism as a basic tenet of that movement, the result is the same.

Either be prepared for more anti-meat protests, more Meatless Mondays, more assaults on the livestock industry, more calls for taxing meat to raise its cost above what ordinary people can afford – and more totalitarian control of our lives. Or start fighting back against these intolerant control freaks.

Duggan Flanakin is Director of Policy Research at the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org)

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116 thoughts on “Politicized veganism

  1. “ I will become vegan when they pry my cold dead fingers from my last hamburger”- (Apologies to the late Charlton Heston).

    • I will go vegan for breakfast and lunch (a nice Caesar Salad for lunch is good) then enjoy a nice Filet Mignon or Porterhouse for dinner with no problem.

      • I’d never bothered to analyse it that way but I’m generally a veggie at breakfast. But if the eco-fascists try to tell me what to eat, it’ll be bacon and eggs every day.

        The average American ate some 220 pounds of red meat and poultry in 2018

        Jeezus! That’s 4lb or 2kg every single day, and that’s just the average consumption. I doubt I eat that in a week.

        No wonder the nation’s health is in such a bad way. That’s more than enough if you are on a meat only diet.

        • Greg
          Have another look at your numbers. there are 365 days/year remember, not 52….
          I estimate my personal meat consumption is about 5 oz (125 gms) day. A natural honey sweetened grains and fruit breakfast is my normal fayre, with a full English Breakfast when away on weekend breaks. Seems to work for me so far.

          • I don’t think natural honey qualifies as vegan with purists.

            Unless you have only fruit and toast (jam or jelly, no butter) then most breakfasts are not vegan. Milk for cereal, yogurt is dairy, and, of course, eggs, bacon, sausage and butter are out. I guess you could have rice and a salad, or a disgusting green puréed veggie drink.

            Also, I suspect that 220 pounds is pre-trimmed, pre-cooked, and may include the bone in ribs and some steaks. I can understand how they could get some realistic numbers on how many pounds are sold, but not how much is actually consumed or even consumable.

        • “Greg December 20, 2019 at 12:41 am
          I’d never bothered to analyse it that way but I’m generally a veggie at breakfast. But if the eco-fascists try to tell me what to eat, it’ll be bacon and eggs every day.
          The average American ate some 220 pounds of red meat and poultry in 2018
          Jeezus! That’s 4lb or 2kg every single day, and that’s just the average consumption. I doubt I eat that in a week.
          No wonder the nation’s health is in such a bad way. That’s more than enough if you are on a meat only diet.”

          Still failed to analyze.
          220 pounds of meat per annum is 9.6 ounces of meat per day. i.e. one hamburger or four extra-large eggs.

          We note your immediate presumption that eat meat puts the nation’s health at risk…

    • So WHEN exactly are we (the Normals) going to tell these people at the UN to GO TO HELL? AND pull their funding? The UN was not formed to inflict food poverty on the world; it was supposed to prevent wars.

      This is nothing more than the hundred-year-old Eugenic effort back under the false flag of “climate change.” They want to cull the human herd, and since the diet they would put us on would insure infertility, low-birth-weight babies and tons of early deaths, particularly in the developing world, it would accomplish that aim. The facts of evolution, of which these ideologues seem ignorant, show that humans have no cecum, the hind-gut by which herbivores are able to extract nutrition from cellulose-based plants via fermentation. We CAN’T go there. And there is absolutely no reason to try.

      BTW, nearly the entire EAT-Lancet authorship as well as the hierarchy of the “dietetics” orgs. in the US, for most of the past 100 years have been heavily freighted with members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, a sect that believes the way to salvation is vegetarianism. This is ideology all the way, political agendas masquerading as “science.” Real biology gives NONE of this even a single leg to stand on.

      One thing left out of this article is that the claimed 3% vegans (I’ve seen 1/2 of 1% other places) in the USA last on this wretched fare for an average of 6 months only, by which time their health is a trainwreck and they have no choice but to return to omnivorous eating.

      What no one mentions either is that many plants and especially grains cause systemic inflammatory responses in the body as they are actually low-grade toxins, and these frequently devastate human health. Think diabetes, autoimmune and cardiovascular diseases, mental illnesses and cancer. ALL of these were relatively rare in the population prior to WWII; now they are damn near ubiquitous!

      If you think dewy-eyed little innocent “students” brimming with ethical concern for their “carbon footprint” are behind this well-funded, professionally produced “movement,” you’d be WRONG. This is in-your-face astroturfing by Big Food multinationals who are hoping to make a killing getting you hooked on even more unnatural, cheap, ultra-processed and addictive junk food. They know damn well you’re not going to give up that ribeye for a radish–but 65% of the American diet is now composed of processed grain products, sugars including HFCS, and industrial seed oils. They want you to have your lab-grown “vegan” pizza, at 900% profit per pie!

      The impending collapse of the “health care” (Disease Maintenance) systems of the West are the result.

      So when are we going to pull the US out of the UN, and PUSH BACK against the madness? Eh? What would it TAKE exactly? When they grab the keys to your Ford F-150, or offer free castration?

  2. Climatistas, Democrats and Leftist plan to reduce opposition to their mad socialist schemes by implementing more and more plans that make people impoverished, demoralised, malnourished, starving, blind, and really quite soon,… dead.

  3. As a veggie (not vegan) I am constantly embarrassed by this type of nonsense. Eat what makes you healthy. You can have healthy diets that are veggie or carnivore. That is up to you. You have a choice. I would never feel it is my place to force anyone.

    If you are going to try veggie eating make sure you get your B12 (Methylcobalamin not Cyanocobalamin) and EPA/DHA.

    • Vitamin B12 not a problem for vegetarians and vegans.

      Just make sure there’s some insect infestation in your vegetables [weevils in your oats, caterpillars or thrips on your lettuce] and look the other way. You’ll be able to say, hand on heart, that you are a vego while still getting your B12.

      • LOL. Ah … NO. I’ll pass on the bug burgers and mystery meats (like hotdogs were not enough?). All that fake meat is a joke. I know what meat tastes like and that ain’t it. I like it when veggie places do ethnic veggie stuff (think tempeh curry) and skip the fake meat.

        The whole idea is to make a dish that tastes great and is healthy.

        To all my carnivore/omnivore friends just think about how I’m creating a surplus of meat to keep your costs down. You are welcome 🙂

      • They neglect the fact that the majority of our food animals graze on land that is not arable, being too rocky, too hilly, on with only sufficient rain for grasses and shrubbery. Getting rid of them would decrease our food supply substantially and decrease the quality of our food supply criminally.

    • TRM,
      The only B12 source I know of that isn’t animal based is brewers yeast.
      (I’m not claiming that just because I don’t know of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.)
      Is that a source of the B12 type you mentioned?
      I’m an omnivore. Just curious if what I thought was true is true, that is, brewers yeast is the only non-animal derived source of vitamin B12.

      • There is no B12 in brewers yeast, it has lots of other B but not B12.
        B12 it’s a quirk of nature it is only found in animals.

        That is why it is actually impossible to be 100% vegan because you will die, they have to eat some product with B12 in a process usually called “fortification”.

        The only real way for large scale industrial production of vitamin B12 occurs via microbial fermentation with a couple of microbial strains. There is a kicker in the process for Vegans which we don’t tell them, when just quickly say it is “synthesized”. If you look at the process and think about it you should be able to guess the secret. You need “special proteins” and there is only one source for those special proteins.

        • You just brought a smile to my face for the first time all day! To all those sanctimonious vegans out there, sucked in!

          Of course for the non sanctimonious vegans, thank you for allowing me to vent.

          • Want more humor see gringojay below who wants to eat Nori because it is a plant but that has a dark dirty secret as well :-).

            You can’t get around it commercial quantities the original, wild Nori were probably able to filter feed enough from natural fish but the moment you want commercial quantities that is all off.

          • I hope that real vegetarians (vegans) that read this and believed what I did about brewers yeast and B12 will “adjust” their supplements.
            As I recall now, I think I first heard that on an AOl forum in the ’90’s about animal rights/animal welfare.
            Back then, on that forum, a vegetarian might include an octo, lacto, even pico prefix. (All the accepted prefixes seemed to involve not eating red meat.)
            But to be a “Vegan”! To claim that went far beyond what you ate. That meant you didn’t use any cosmetics (including shampoos) that were tested on animal. No drugs that were tested on animals. No insulin that derived from animals.
            (I can’t find the exact quote but Ingrid Newkirk, the “P” in Peta, had said she’d let her kid die before using a drug tested on animals. Or maybe if an ant dies to produced it?)
            But I think you get the picture.
            I told them that their CRT monitors were tested on animals for radiation.
            I didn’t notice even one screen name drop out.

      • Vegetable B12 is found in the originally purple seaweed sold as “Nori”. It is a reasonable amount so that 4 grams in the form of Nori “sheets” supplies the recommended daily amount of 2.4 micro-grams B12.

        Eating some kinds of mushrooms can also supply B12. The highest amount of B12 in commercialized dry mushrooms is in “Shitaki”.

        However, since Shitaki B12 seems to vary from 1.3 to 12.7 micro-grams 12 / 100 dry grams it appears Nori is an easier calibrated source. Nori has 77 micro-grams of B12 / 100 dry grams &, conveniently for taste, toasting it does not reduce the B12.

          • Hi LdB, – According to your link it is not “protein” which is required to grow Nori. The link states it is nitrogen at the rate of greater than 50 mg nitrogen/ cubic meter water& no more than 200 mg of nitrogen/cubic meter of water that is necessarily supplied in commercial systems.

            Nitrate & ammonium, which are quite available commercially, are both specified as adequate sources of nitrogen. Your link actually refers to the successful production of “commercial quantities” &, to be precise, does mention genuine issues related to production.

            By the way I am not a vegan & yet have eaten Nori for decades. Personally, I have no qualms about people eating whatever they do.

            You posted a comment that “B12 is … only found in animals….” I concisely presented specifics that is actually a mistake because many WUWT readers are interested in facts.

    • You can have either diet (exclusively) if, AND ONLY IF, you live in a wealthy society.

      Humans (and all other primates) are genetically omnivores*. Only in wealthy societies can a person obtain the variety of foods required to sustain their metabolism.

      I have an acquaintance who is severely carbohydrate sensitive. She can lead a healthy lifestyle in this country – but realizes quite well that in most parts of the world, she would have been dead at least ten years ago, if not more.

      * One of the many terms that I dislike – “omni” means “all” – and there are a huge number of things that humans cannot eat for nutrition. So far as I know, there are no true omnivore species; all of them have their own necessary food requirements.

      • All things EDIBLE.

        If “omni” really meant ALL things, you would have to include all poisonous substances and rock and minerals…

        Also, I am definitely an omnivore even though food that is totally healthy and good for most people can be POISONOUS to me – cashews, cantaloupe, watermelon and walnuts would cause anaphylactic shock, a life-threatening condition…

        • Hi D.Stephens, – A relative of mine has that cantaloupe allergy. I am not sure about your other mentioned foods.

          Some people also have the allergy eosinophilic esophagitis from animal products, as well as some have it with non- animal food items. Table 1 of “Identification of causative foods in children with eosinophilic esophagitis treated with an elimination diet” , available on-line as free full text, has more specifics.

          Cited research found elevated eosinophils in 600 + subjects of 5% for chicken, 3% for pork, 5% for beef, 13% for eggs & for brevity I am skipping the non-animal data. To be precise, I do not mean to imply that comparative non-animal food allergies are less common; I think most know of non-animal food allergies & many never think of animal food allergies (other than probably milk).

          As for elevated IgE measurements: in 269 subjects 2 cases were in reaction to chicken, 1 case was in reaction to beef , 47 cases were in reaction to eggs &, again for brevity (without intending to minimize it), I am skipping the non-animal data. Authors point out that IgE reactive cases are the potentially anaphylactic (or also urticaria) causing foods in this syndrome.

          • and the beef chook n eggs MIGHT be cos of the antibiotics theyre fed from day one in chickens? and near daily in all dairy herd and implanted abiotic growth promotor in feedlotted cafo meat from cows?

          • Hi ozspeaksup, – I am inclined to think that in the cited immunological syndrome antibiotics in animal feed is not a factor; “might” it be seems unlikely as I understand immunology. Persons with the cited condition can also have episodes related to non-animal foods, in fact at even higher rates of incidence.

            I merely wanted to point out being omnivores & eating animal based foods is not always ideal for everyone. For brevity I only cited 1 2004 (?) report & not any related immunological specifics that have been elaborated since then.

    • “Moreover, healthy vegetarian diets require very careful attention to food and supplements, to ensure proper nutrition; vegan diets even more so. That’s impossible in impoverished countries and families.”

      I have been a vegetarian all my adult life. These days it is easy, back then it wasn’t. No special attention is needed as regards food and supplements if you are a lacto vegetarian but necessary if you are a vegan.

      Eat what you want, its none of my business, with the caveat that if reasonably wealthy be aware as to where your meat comes from.

      Vegans can be very assertive people and the reasons for believing they are saving the planet are difficult to understand. Many fruits, veg and grains are imported, often out of season, creating a large carbon footprint.

      tonyb

      • Looks like veggies cause a lot more food poisoning than red meat.

        Top sources of food poisoning

        Poultry
        Vegetables and Leafy Greens. Vegetables and leafy greens are a common source of food poisoning, especially when eaten raw
        Fish and Shellfish
        Rice
        Deli Meats
        Unpasteurized Dairy
        Eggs
        Fruit

        Comparatively, steaks look pretty safe.

      • Assertive comes up a little short Tony. They have lost their effing minds and see those who behave differently as demons out to destroy them. Many of the Vegans I have encountered need professional help.

    • It isn’t being vegetarian – it’s the progressive psychology – everything they do becomes some kind of superiority complex.

      It’s easy to see how ‘master race’ stuff gets started.

      • The “master race” stuff is behind this. Read the history of eugenics.
        Same thing; different camoflage.

        I have no beef (sorry) with anyone eating whatever makes them happy. But let the MARKET decide. Your right to be vegan should not interfere with my right to be otherwise. Most of us got this idea in kindergarten.

        • Oh, I’m familiar with eugenics. Climate Change alarmism is eugenics on ‘roids.

          And I suspect no one’s getting that message in kindergarten anymore.

  4. They’re trying to revive one of their old ideas. As I heard it on a radio interview this week. They want to bring in food rationing. Like WW2 ration books, you would get a monthly allotment of carbon allowances on your debt card. In the interview she said you would be able to buy one egg a month, only enough credits to have meet once a month, and so on. Total left wing lunacy.

    • If they want me to become a hunter, that would do it. We have a problem with deer overpopulation, here, and they must be culled to prevent mass starvation. Venison tastes great.

      Besides, my cats are obligatory carnivores. I only want to feed them the best beef filets. Please give me additional ration cards….

  5. They came for Monday, and nobody said anything, it was after all just 1 day. Right?
    Then came for Tuesday, and nobody said anything, again…..
    We all know how this goes with “Never Enough” Facsist-Marxists.
    Stop them now.

    • Might I remind all that the UN holds no power over us unless we hand it to them willingly? No country on earth has elected these people to tell us what to eat. Not in the name of “health,” “climate” or anything else.
      Pull the funding and they’re gone like a soap bubble down the drain. Maybe it’s about time we did that, eh?

      AND stopped allowing extremist nutters of all stripes to dictate our life choices and marketplace.

  6. This kind of stuff always fascinates me. This expiating sin through sacrifice goes back to the earliest civilizations. Meatless Monday is literally the same as sacrificing a fatted calf to the gods to change the weather. Even the old “Sins of the father shall be manifested on the children out to the seventh generation” shtick still plays in Peoria, er, Berkeley.

    • At least the other major Religion had Fish-n’-Chip Fridays, that was the one thing about Catholicism I actually liked.

      • And you don’t have to stick to fish…

        “So in the 17th century, the Bishop of Quebec approached his superiors in the Church and asked whether his flock would be permitted to eat beaver meat on Fridays during Lent, despite the fact that meat-eating was forbidden. Since the semi-aquatic rodent was a skilled swimmer, the Church declared that the beaver was a fish. Being a fish, beaver barbeques were permitted throughout Lent. Problem solved!

        The Church, by the way, also classified another semi-aquatic rodent, the capybara, as a fish for dietary purposes. The critter, the largest rodent in the world, is commonly eaten during Lent in Venezuela. “It’s delicious,” one restaurant owner told the New York Sun in 2005. “I know it’s a rat, but it tastes really good.”

        And it’s not just oversized rats that make for good eating in the run up to Easter, either. I have it on authority from my cousin Jerome (who knows everything) that “iguana tail soup is a fave for Lenten meals in Nicaragua.” Yum.”

        From: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-upon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/

  7. “One of the world’s leading voices condemning meat consumption is the United Nations”. No surprise there. But I thought the Catholics already claimed that space with “only fish on Fridays”. Right?

  8. Follow the money. link Big companies can make a lot more profit from fake meat than they can make from real meat.

    We’ve got some folks encouraging things to happen and then there is an almost infinite supply of useful idiots to do their bidding. It sounds a lot like global warming.

  9. ” … Both Browns insist that, because “the destructive impact of animal agriculture on our environment far exceeds that of any other technology on Earth, there is no pathway to achieve the Paris climate objectives without a massive decrease in the scale of animal agriculture.” … ”
    —-

    One wonders which version of Perfected-Earth™ is the ideal one? Or is their perfected and unchanging “Saved-Earth™ another imaginary artifact of being dropped on their heads a bit too often, when they were babies?

    Whatever, not going to stop eating red meat, and any politician pushing such a line will not be voted for … voted against, you can take that to the bank. Same for politicians pushing other stupid pet UN agendas.

    And why has the United Nations not been ejected from North America yet, and seen as an enemy ‘fifth-column’, seeking to subvert and collapse civilization, Capitalism and the Western world, in particular? They are all of those things, and misanthropic to boot, so why has the UN not been de-funded and disbanded yet?

    • The Perfected-Earth™ is the one I force YOU and the other bean-noshers to live in. I can eat whatever I damn well please. I’m Marie Antoinette. (Or Albert Gore, or Tom Steyer, or a Davos big shot.)

    • So far nobody has taken me up on my suggestion to help out a poor African country and move the UN to say, Burkina Faso…

  10. Fossil-fuel-free vegan agriculture for over seven billion people in order to save the planet…

    The ‘scientific’ case for this is not science. It is propaganda, as well as a tragedy waiting to happen, for the planet, the people or, more probably, both.

      • I think it may have been ‘Soylent Green.’ From soy and lentils. Yum….
        Or perhaps not.

        Soy contains estrogen mimickers which, in large quantities, are not good for women, children or men.

        • You are absolutely correct Gumnut I did mean Soylent Green. Stupid auto correct. But my reference was to an old sci-fi movie about the future. To keep the population down and to provide food to the multitudes anyone over a certain age had to hand themselves over to become ‘Soylent Green.

          • In the rosy Utopia of the future, they’ll have “auto correct” in the supermarket. When you reach for something on the shelf that you shouldn’t have, a mechanical arm will reach into your cart, snatch the offending item, and put it back.

            “How?” you might ask? The Nanny State will devise a way to monitor your per capita purchases through credit card records, face recognition software at the check-out counters, and such — like the EasyPass toll readers on Interstates that cross bridges.

            Your credit card statement will include little footnotes like: “That’s enough meat (or cupcakes, or potato chips) for you this week. If you don’t do a better job of keeping your snout out of the trough next week, Nanny will take sterner measures.”

          • Soylent Green required a factory to produce.
            The Eloi/Morlock method is probably closer to what the Green Dream would achieve.

          • I know Soylent Green, it is referenced at least once per thread here. But I never watched the whole movie.

        • That’s why soy should be fermented first.

          Soy sauce (lovely), tempeh (ok), natto (they say it’s very healthful but I can’t stand it)
          And in Indonesia fermentation is taken even further with a food called oncom; if tofu is soy cheese, then oncom is cave-matured soy cheese covered in orange mould. But I’m a bit wary of it because if it’s not prepared right it can become contaminated with deadly pathogens.

          • How funny, my meaning was totally misconstrued, I feel so old, but at the same time I’m enjoying the responses.

        • Soy contains estrogen mimickers which, in large quantities, are not good for women, children or men.

          Which they are not in soy.

  11. “Moreover, healthy vegetarian diets require very careful attention to food and supplements, to ensure proper nutrition; vegan diets even more so.” – This is simply not true. If you want to criticize people for connecting meat consumption to CO2 for political reasons, that is supported by the evidence much of us study. But if you want to make claims about nutrition, be careful. Cite your sources. In fact, show us the metastudies, because in nutrition science almost 100 percent of all claims are made up. Metastudies continue to show us that we know almost nothing about nutrition. If you claim to know something about nutrition, back it up with evidence please.

  12. So — go stock the freezer again, huh? Okay, well, maybe I will indulge in the eye of top round roast that I saw in the meat bin last week, after all. And perhaps a couple of thick, juicy, high-quality steaks will be added to my list, too.

    These people are nuts. Hoomans are omnivores. We have more than enough evidence of Hoomans hunting 4-leggers for meat. There is nothing quite like a mammoth steak, you know…. the scent of meat drifting out over the plains in the general direction of the pundits who think they know something when they really just wallow in ignorance is almost intoxicating. (You had to be there.)

  13. I look forward to the catering at the next COP being entirely vegan – to be really emissions-ethical it should also be raw food only.

        • When will you folks learn? There’s no such thing a vegetarian haggis. The haggis is a small quadruped which lives high in the Scottish mountains. The males have longer right fore and hind legs, so can only run round the mountains anti-clockwise; the females have longer left fore and hind legs and can only run round the mountains clockwise. Every so often the males and females meet, depending on contour lines. Given the choice their favourite food is deep-fried pizza (not battered) or deep-fried mars bar, or Nutella sandwich (battered). COP26, welcome to Glasgow!

      • What’s with all this anti-haggis sentiment? Haggis for breakfast gives you the energy you need to labor all day over the wind-swept heat in the Highlands!

  14. Cricket burgers and centipede spaghetti with a nice chiante . It’s really the only way.
    mmmmmm centipede …….

    • Those are sentient beings so off limits the only non sentient animals are sponges, corals, anemones, and hydras. So outside the animal kingdom you can eat any of the other 4 kingdoms plant, Monera (bacteria), Fungi, Protista (any eukaryotic not an animal, plant, or fungus .. aka the leftovers).

      Bon Appetit

    • I was thinking New York City should embrace Mayorless Mondays, with the ‘special of the day’ being 1/4lb bacon bleu cheese burgers with a sides of grilled chicken thighs and hot mettwurst, fronted by a semi-dry merlot and finished with some port and truffle chocolates!

    • Scott
      December 19, 2019 at 8:39 pm

      Good, or how about “Meaty Monday”?

      We need to fight back against this brainwashing nonsense before it’s too late.

  15. Doctors regularly check patients exhibiting dementia for their amino acid levels; your brain uses a large amount of the protein you consume. This would help explain the high number of Progressives who are vegan or vegetarian and, conversely, the low number of conservatives who cannot hunt or barbecue. Since the early Egyptian Dynasties the ruling elites have tried to limit protein for the masses. Maybe there is a direct link between higher brain function and rebellion. Most successful cultures seem to be rather war-like; you don’t win out through peaceful protest in most eras. Perhaps the U.N. would prefer a more docile and easily indoctrinated populous around the world? I’ll be considering it while I enjoy my Christmas prime rib!

  16. Let’s face it, there will literally be no end of activists jumping on the global warming bandwagon to advance their own pet activism projects.

    Since temperature changes affect almost every process, object or phenomenon in the universe then it is a short step to claim that it could be too much and thus bad. Ergo, they would like a slice of the global-warming money pie too, please.

    These people just won’t go away until global warming is finally put on the back burner. I think voters are certainly ready to do that, but maybe we will have to wait until almost everybody is already jostling for their place at the trough. When that time comes then it may come to be seen as no longer fashionable and b) no longer an efficient use of time and effort.

  17. Down here in Australia a Vegan activist group “Vegan Rising” has just lost it’s charity status.

    The vegan group behind the protest that shut down the Melbourne CBD earlier this year has had its charity registration revoked.

    Vegan Rising say one reason given for the decision was that their actions to bring about a vegan society are not “in the public benefit”

    • You can bet petty loony-left bureaucrats in the ‘pubic-service’ will be going after whoever dared to do the right thing by Australian taxpayers, and the law of the land.

  18. Whilst everyone should have the right to be vegan, the right to hector others for eating moderate amounts of poultry et cerera based on paltry evidence, of substantial ill-effects to either an otherwise healthy individual or to the planet itself from a restrained omnivorous human diet, is a different matter entirely.

    If history is any guide, we would never have reached this point where we may have such a discussion if it were not for the advantages that livestock agriculture bestowed, both in terms of overall agricultural production and, quite probably, individual nutrition as well.

    While it may be true that nutritional science has yet a long way to go, especially at the individual level, current agricultural science is sufficient to pose serious doubts about the broad agricultural claims made routinely by many vocal vegans. It is, therefore, not difficult to presume that the nutritional claims made by many vocal vegans are also worthy of some caution.

    I am particularly cautious of claims of vegan success from vocal athletes who, it would seem, were not vegan for the vast majority of their lives, particularly during childhood.

  19. Livestock feeding on grassland that is not suitable for crop production turn vegetation into very good food for the worlds population .
    I challenge any one to make a case that will stand up to proper scientific scrutiny that methane from farmed livestock is a problem .
    Every mouthful of forage that livestock consume has absorbed CO2 from the air .
    During digestion a minute amount of methane is emitted and this quickly breaks down in the upper atmosphere into CO2 and water vapour .
    The whole process is a cycle and not one atom of Carbon or additional molecules containing carbon are added to the atmosphere .
    This is a scientific fact.
    Why do so many people accept that methane from livestock is a big problem when it is absolutely not a problem and can never increase greenhouse gases now or in a hundred years .
    Some of the readers and contributors here must have reasonable scientific understanding of these facts but the UN and so many governments and bureaucrats all around the world keep parroting this lie .
    The UNIPCC has been taken over by activists and biogenic methane emissions from live stock was introduced at the Kyoto Climate meeting and was just accepted with no scientific or statistical scrutiny .
    The activists even wrote a paper titled ” Livestock’s Long Shadow ” and although this has been challenged it is still the bible for many anti animal farming freaks .
    Most people have no idea how their food is grown and it is a tribute to farmers and agricultural scientists that the world is feeding close to 8 billion when the doomsayers from the nineteen fifties have predicted world wide famine every decade since .
    Our government here in New Zealand is being screwed by the Greens and they have just passed a Zero Carbon Bill which if it ever gets put into practice will decimate our livestock industry .
    They want to start charging farmers for the methane that our animals emit but we will get nothing for the CO2 that is being sequested and our animals do not add one atom of carbon to the atmosphere .
    Our dairy industry has the lowest carbon foot print in the world so as we are forced to reduce stock numbers other countries will increase their production and more green house gases will be emitted around the world .
    We live in crazy times when our government wants to cripple our countries exports when the problem is not and never will be a problem to the world
    Proud to be a farmer feeding the world with grass fed milk and beef products .
    Graham

    • Par for the course as with ocean “acidification”. Big fat concerted lies backed by glorified fish-n’-chip wrappers, like ‘Nature’. Methane being just another tool within The-Farce’s doom-toolbox of outright shameless lies.

    • Gwan
      December 19, 2019 at 9:25 pm

      Gwan, can I play the devil’s advocate here for a minute…I quite agree with what you’re saying but I think the Greens’ response (especially the simple minded ones like NZ Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage) would be that the minute amount of CH4 produced by ruminants will still cause additional global warming and we’re all doomed as a result. The fact that the CH4 molecules only exist for a few years (they would claim decades) will not change their minds one iota.

      I submitted and then spoke at the Zero Carbon Bill select committee hearing in Hamilton and showed them the Envisat CH4 results vs. global ruminant distribution but I know I was wasting my time…their minds are made up. It all gets a bit too hard for them when they have to actually think about the issue rather than going with the herd (so to speak). Or is “herd” soon to be a four letter word, like “meat”?

      • Hi Alastair,I met you and heard you speak at the Zero Carbon Bill select committee and I spoke after you .
        I have to agree with you that their minds were made up before they held the select committee charade
        They did not want to be told that livestock added not one atom of carbon to the atmosphere over
        any time span.
        That was heresy to their ears and it was the complete opposite to what they had been told and what they believe almost as religious doctrine.
        I have spoken to Members of Parliaments on the opposition and they are well aware that biogenic methane is a non problem and is cyclic .
        I told the three MPs who were hearing the submissions that live stock did not add ONE atom of carbon to the atmosphere over any time frame and was a non problem and should never have been introduced as an emission in any countries emission profile .
        They were never ever going to even start thinking for themselves .
        And these people are part of our government .
        And I whole heartedly agree with your comment ( especially the simple minded ones )
        This has come about with our MMP election process where members of Parliament are nominated off lists for any party that polls more than 5% .
        Proud to be a farmer in New Zealand even though the Greens think we are terrible .
        Graham.

        • Gwan
          December 20, 2019 at 10:34 am

          Graham, so it was you who gave me the notes!
          Thanks.

          To be honest…I don’t think they understand that one atom of carbon is different from millions…even one is one too many in their book! They haven’t got a clue…yet it is they who make the rules.

  20. I have asked a few vegans how we could grow enough plants to feed ourselves without GMOs, pesticides, CO2, fertilizer and with so much land given over to other things and, apart from insults, I’m still waiting for an answer. I suspect that the mass starvation and malnutrition is part of the plan…

  21. One of my friends is a pharmacist. He loves vegans.

    He recognizes them by their pale complexion and their zombie like gait.

    Each time these lunatics enter his pharmacy he rubs his hands.

    He knows that they are going to spend a lot of cash to buy food supplements.

  22. Less meat=more carbs. More carbs=higher risk of diabetes. I have type II and it is already HARD to cut back carbs enough to keep my A1c under control. Eliminating meat will turn my type II to type I, having to use insulin. No thank you.

    • Your gut microbiome may be off. Research bacillus coagulens. Here’s a start.

      https://selfhacked.com/blog/b-coagulans/

      3) Is Beneficial in Diabetes

      Consumption of synbiotic bread with B. coagulans reduced insulin levels, improved blood lipid profile and increased good cholesterol (HDL-C) in type 2 diabetes (T2D) patients [5, 6, 7].

      Similarly, consumption of the synbiotic bread with B. coagulans improved NO and MDA levels in T2D patients [8].

      Synbiotic containing B. coagulans improved insulin, hs-CRP, uric acid and plasma total GSH levels in diabetic patients [9].

      B. coagulans, inulin and beta-carotene coadministration decreased insulin, HOMA-IR, HOMA-B, triglycerides, VLDL-cholesterol levels, and total-/HDL-cholesterol ratio. This treatment also elevated plasma nitric oxide (NO) and glutathione (GSH) [10].

      Also, there’s a difference between how simple and complex carbs are metabolized (fast vs. slow). Avoid simple carbs (refined flours, high fructose corn syrup, etc.).

    • Ditch the carbs entirely and your A1c will be normal in 3 months and stay that way forever. You can eat vegetables, meat, cheese, eggs, and fish. Just get rid of all starches, sugars and industrial seed oils. Three months to freedom, my friend! Make the choice to go #properhumandiet!

  23. One of my sons is vegetarian because as a child he didn’t like meat in his mouth. His partner is gluten free because of paving retty severe intolerance. We live in France so finding restaurants to ear is almost impossible. Vegetarians are regarded as being slightly deranged in this of rural France. Limousin is famous for sheep and cattle. There is even a Plateau of 1000 cattle. Most ground is not really suitable for grain or grape but subsidies have made maize and sunflowers a common sight. The main winter feed seems to be silage harvested in early summer.

    I read somewhere many years ago that 3 species of animal had evolved to eat non standard diets because of circumstances. Giant Pandas to eating bamboo but they don’t have efficient digestion, humans to omnivore much more successfully. I can’t remember the 3rd or what change was made.
    Historically large areas of the Earth were inhabited by heds of very large vegetarian animals so are emissions from animal farts actually at unprecedented levels?

  24. This was new to me: Christina Figueres in 2018 (I think)

    “How about restaurants in 10 to 15 years start treating carnivores the same way that smokers are treated?” Figueres suggested during a recent conference. “If they want to eat meat, they can do it outside the restaurant.”

    The socialist vegans can’t help themselves. They hate omnivores. It is not about a personal choice, it is about controlling others.

  25. The general antipathy to meat seems to be based on the methane output from ruminants.
    Methane is broken down over a period of about 8 years, so as long as the number of ruminants stays steady the methane due to them has reached a state of dynamic equilibrium
    If they wish to reduce the methane emitted, to have any significant effect globally they will have to reduce the 190 million cattle in India, the 200 million in Brazil and 113 million in China.
    Good luck with that, especially in India where the cows are sacred.
    Compared to these numbers, there are about 10 million in the UK, mostly reared on grassland that is unsuitable for arable, or the fertility building part of an arable rotation. There are more cattle in Madagascar than in the UK!

    On the other hand the supposed renewable use of biomass burnt in the Drax power station involves the release of a large slug of CO2 in the first year which takes 50-70 years to replace.

  26. I know I’ve said this before but:

    I’m a post-modern vegetarian. I eat meat, but only with a twist of irony.

  27. When the last cow has been slaughtered, the last chicken lost its head and the last pig said his oinks, then what’s left for dinner is eachother.

  28. You know if we did all turn vegan, we’d have to release all the animals that are farmed because it would be cruel to kill them. Of course, this could mean they would die even more awful deaths to predators or starvation through lack of food (we’d still need the farms to grow food).

    Even worse, they could breed so before long, we’d up to our chests in bullshit, which is exactly what this “study” is.

    • Reply to Redge .
      We could slaughter and eat every farmed animal in the world and methane levels would not alter one way or the other .
      This is a fact as Biogenic methane is a cycle and does not add one atom of carbon to the atmosphere .
      I agree with your last sentence this study is Glow Bull S# ! T

  29. “More and more people would become increasingly malnourished, starve, go blind, and die.” I believe that is exactly, 100% the goal.

    When Europe tried to “go green” with energy, entire forests were cut to the ground as people tried to stay warm in cold European winters, illegal or not. Going “meatless” will result in extinction of species in the wild as people poach game species and then non-game species to get the protein and meat they crave. It is quite obvious that the destruction of most of the human race and then destroying of the natural world is the goal of the elites, who can then re-create the world for their glory and benefit, with the remaining pheasant class slaves doing all the work. A blind man could see this. Apparently, those who are stupid and gullible refuse to…..And they are gone first, so life is sort of fair.

  30. “Cattle, sheep and pigs can graze on lands that would be plowed under for food crops under an all-veggie dictatorship.”

    A typical assumption that land used for grazing animals is all prime growing land for growing vegetative crops.
    Except, animals are generally raised on lands where only coarse grasses survive. N.B., “survive” not thrive!

    Yes, animals are also frequently grazed on lands left fallow, but the bulk of their lives are spent where the soil is all clay or filled with rock that making tilling difficult. Clay does not share water well with plants. When the weather is wet, clay makes drainage difficult and often causes plant roots to rot. Worse, when dry, clay becomes hard that prevents roots from growing down.

    Taking animals out of the human diet does not free up additional lands for growing plants. Unless one likes to see sparse stunted crops with frequent bare spots.
    Animals are excellent converters of coarse woody foods and hard to harvest grains into delectable efficient meats. Best, is that animals are perfectly happy to find and eat their coarse vegetables without man’s interference.

  31. The check list to determine if you are dealing with a cult
    1) Restrictions on speech
    2) Restrictions on diet
    3) Restrictions on clothing and/or housing
    4) Restrictions on sexual/reproductive practices

    Climate alarmism hits on all cylinders

  32. I went vegan (not hard-core) for personal reasons, many decades ago. If an uninformed host took the time, effort and expense to prepare a delicious, non-vegan meal for me, I would eat it with relish, thank the cook and keep my damn mouth shut. To do otherwise is just plain wrong.

    • In certain cultures, if you refuse food offered by the host, it is considered a serious insult. I attended a wedding in Ethiopia in 2006, before my own, and was the first guest invited up to the buffet table by the host which, along side it, was a rack with half a side of a cow strapped to it. The host cut a fairly sizeable strip of the beef off the carcass, raw, and offered it to me. I took it and ate it knowing I was taking a serious risk. I was OK. Not many vegans in Ethiopia.

      • Case in point. I do believe, however, that refusing to eat certain foods for medical reasons is a valid excuse. No point taking chances!

  33. Paul, your link to Christiana Figueres, “former executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change” is pointing to your Microsoft Word documents directory.

  34. “The anti-meat campaign has hit other top echelons of the UN.

    Christiana Figueres, former executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change,

    recently stated her hope that restaurants of the future will

    “treat carnivores the same way that smokers are treated [today]. If they want to eat meat, they can do it outside the restaurant.”

    / But not the way they’re treating meat at COP-25 in Madrid. /

    ____________________________________

    Christiana Figueres, former executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, ain’t famous for her intelligence –

    ‘nuf carnivores already prefer to eat outside restaurants:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=polar+bears+eating+cubs&oq=polar+bears+eating&aqs=chrome.

    ____________________________________

    OTOH, people not that famous for their intelligence ain’t shy to discover their hidden hopes and desires:

    Christiana Figueres, former executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change,

    recently stated her hope

    that restaurants of the future will “treat carnivores the same way that smokers are treated [today].”

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