From Friends of WUWT from Norway
he Norwegian privately owned expedition vessel «Lance» was used to ‘rescue’ two polar ‘explorers’, the well-known Borge Ousland and Mike Horn, from the arctic floating ice field. They rendezvous’ed with the vessel about 100 km from the ice edge, just north of Svalbard on 8th of December. The two ‘explorers’ had actually planned to be taken on board a sailing vessel, after having entered onto the floating ice, in August, north of Alaska.
The two guys had gone by skis to the North Pole and then continued towards the southern ice edge on the Atlantic side of the floating ice. However, they encountered storms that transported the floating ice against their planned direction, and arrived a couple of weeks later than planned. Therefore they hired «Lance» to pick them up instead of the sailing vessel. The whole idea with the expedition was to prove how thin the ice is in the polar ocean. This means that the objective was actually to underline climatic alarmism.
But, what they may have not known, is that this time of year is the time of most ice accretion in the Arctic ocean, and on their return voyage towards the ice edge and open water, the ice floes froze and became solid. The «Lance» became firmly stuck in the ice, about 80 kilometers from the ice edge and is now completely stuck.
The latest information from the lame vessel, is that the captain on board, Mr. Stig Roaldsand, according to the newspaper VG (see: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/BR2Wd0/kaptein-paa-lance-vil-evakuere-mann-om-bord-faar-nei-fra-hrs?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=row-6) has demanded that all ‘passengers’ and un-necessary people on board the vessel shall be lifted off by helicopter as soon as possible (Source journalist: Oda Leraan Skjetne, VG). However, the two ‘explorers’ refuse to leave the vessel by helicopter, probably as it destroys the narrative of their journey. There is a pending snowstorm coming to the area north of Svalbard around Christmas Eve, and this makes heli-transport impossible at that time.
All the best
Throw ’em in the brig I say!
Thow them over the side, i say!
Keelhaul them.
Oh, stuck in ice you say. Keelhauling might be a bit difficult. 🙁
Another Ship-of-Fools with 2 useless Tools
Read the update you landlubbers!
Ah, read some history too about, let me see, explorations in Polar areas, emphasize on survival and ships getting stuck in the ice.
First time, eh? Lance have been up there plenty of times, getting frozen into the wicked ice.
How about leaving them there the rest of the winter? Why should everyone have to do what they want to preserve the narrative?
Vessels have been crushed in the ice. They might not make the winter.
cant belive the captain and owners of the Lance allowed its use for such a risky trip to begin with
the insurance and charges will be huge , if it even gets out unscathed
I live in Harrisonburg, VA. USA and went to a “climate class” they were giving for us Old Farts at JMU. I found out from the young man who organized the course, that there is a “guy” here in Hburg went on one of the Antarctic voyages to “see the melting in the Antarctic ice field. They got stuck and had to be rescued, and now the guy refuses to be identified, and won’t talk about it. Want to bet that they charged the fools on the trip for the rescue? I’ll bet the rescue was way more than the cruise in the first place.
That would just be the carbon cycle, circle of life, and no real loss.
“Vessels have been crushed in the ice. They might not make the winter.”
Is that a plus or a minus?
It is certainly a data point.
Wonder if it will ever make it into a model?
“Impact of the studies on the impact of climate change on the number of vessels stuck or destroyed in the Arctic”
So they go down with the ship, a heroic death for the alarmist cause.
This was asked at the start of the expedition and the captain, IIRC, stated the ship was up to the job of being stuck in an ice floe.
The captain is likely concerned about the amount of food on board. Might be enough to help his crew survive an extended time, but two extra loud-mouths who are no asset to the ship need to leave.
The polar bears in the area are also thinking about the food on board.
LOL, so true!
With a Stig at the helm, how on Earth did they get stuck?
FULL THROTTLE…. Brrmmmmm!!!
LMAO
The Climate Clowns Congregation Party did it once again.
The Lance is used to wintering over ice-bound in the Arctic. Question is why then is the Captain wanting everyone but essential persons to leave the ship? Is the request really in reference to their two unintended guests who are now refusing to leave?
The Captain is probably inventorying his food-water stores and fuel for surviving a hard Arctic winter.
And it likely ain’t good.
I think the captain has the authority to insist that they leave, by force if needed.
Just leave and leave the two of them there alone. Give them the option to be Helevac’d or remain on a dark ship alone.
Since they are helicoptering out the guests, I suspect they could also helicopter in any food needed.
A lot depends on the range. To have enough fuel to carry passengers out, the helicopter might have to fly in as empty as possible.
Supplying a ship up there by helicopter would be both quite difficult and dangerous. What they need is an icebreaker.
Unfortunately Norway’s newest and strongest icebreaker damaged herself trying to get through the ice in this very area in September, so they might not be inclined to try it now when the ice is even worse.
I would recommend a Swedish, Finnish or Russian icebreaker. This early in the season there are still several in reserve.
The captain is probably trying to keep the undisciplined rabble down to a minimum.
One crew member is running out of heart medicine and the captain wants him rescued by Dec 19 but the rescue officials denied a rescue operation after consultation with a doctor.
The captain also told that they had started rationing food since they have food for 10-12 days left. So maybe this is the reason since they are completely stuck and all their equipment to break the ice has stopped working. The captain seems to realize that they will not be sailing away for a loong time.
Need to avoid abandoning it to a salvage operator claiming it as well. Could be a very long winter. What a way to waste 4 or 5 months out of an 80 year life.
That captain is a bloody idiot. Who else would venture into the pack ice in late fall with food and medicine for a few weeks? Or with a crew member with a heart condition?
“…a three hour tour… a three hour tour…”
It was already a rescue operation when the ship was contacted. Failure to assist may not have been an option. Your assessment of the captain is inappropriate judgmentalism, especially while you sit there in your warm, dry room far, far away from the Arctic and the two demanding, virtue-signalling passengers.
“Failure to assist may not have been an option.”
Perhaps not, but he could easily have stocked up with both food and medical supplies in Longyearbyen. It is a fair-sized town with several ship-chandlers (been there a couple of times).
It was also extremely irresponsible to depend on an rescue ship that was apparently unable to wait for even a few weeks, and thus having to improvise another. That they would be delayed was a virtual certainty given the difficulty of moving over sea ice.
Guess he has no wish to be marooned on a ship, stuck in arctic ice for the winder with two dumb*ss irritating alarmists blabbing tripe day in and day out.
Eco-terrorists don’t have the best hygiene in the world either. Smelling all that B.O. is going to make for a loooooooong winter.
Borge Ousland is an experienced polar explorer, former special forces, and a Norh sea diver.
He has done many expeditions in the polar regions. And have crossed both the Arctic and Antarctic alone.
Mike Horn is a professional explorer and adventurer.
Mike Horn became famous in 2001 after completing a one-year, 6-month solo journey around the equator without any motorised transport. In 2004 he completed a two-year, 3-month solo circumnavigation of the Arctic Circle, and in 2006 along with Norwegian explorer Børge Ousland, became the first men to travel without dog or motorised transport to the North Pole during winter, in permanent darkness.
They probably sensed opportunity with the “climate cause”.
And thers probably some money involved.
Hard to separate the science here from the “ego boosting machismo stunt posturing”.
How much actual “science” stuff goes on with these guys?
My brother is a volunteer fire-fighter (as they say, he does on his spare time for free what “real” fire fighters do for a living…).
I’ve always said that heroes aren’t those who TRY to climb mountains.
Heroes are those who RESCUE those who try to climb mountains.
Seriously, the fines for these stunts aren’t high enough.
Yet he dumb enough not to bring his own food?
All their training… all their experience… all their accomplishments… why do they need any outside assistance? They have the skills & know-how to get out of a situation in which they put themselves, no?
The Captain may already see the signs of cabin fever developing around his “greener-than-thou” passengers and wants to prevent them from being tossed over the side when his back is turned.
Actually, unless they’re hypocrites (cough, cough) they’re probably vegan, or at least vegetarian, which means technically, they are grain-fed, free-range long pig.
Which will make the inevitable cannibalism a bit more palatable.
One of them is a special forces, and have crossed both the arctic and antarctica alone!
Are you a former special forces?? Have you crossed the arctic alone????????
Its easy to sit infront of your computer with the x-box next to you, in your boys room, writing BS messages, while your mom serves you hot chocolate.
Calm down, son. I do not ever mean to disparage the training that these guys do and I actually didn’t.
There are others on the ship, no? So I’m pretty sure that when the starvation hits, it will be the well-trained guys eating the others.
Why then, their rescue. They are obviously capable men. Leave them to their own resources, no?
Would YOU want to spend the winter stuck on a ship with a Greta Thungberg, in stereo?
On a related note about Ships of Fools, the Polarstern – the German icebreaker on a science expedition to understand how the “climate change” scam is affecting the Arctic, is now moored in total darkness and stationary in the drifting Arctic Ice Pack.
This article in Science mag from last month is actually humorous to the predictable problems to tainted data from Urban Heat Islands like the Polarstern in a pristine environment.
Here is just portion of a Science Mag essay on the Polarstern forays from last month (November 2019) :
So even stationary, the ship has to burn 15 tons of marine bunker oil/diesel fuel per day to provide heat, fresh water, and electricity for the crew and scientists on the Polarstern.
And 15 tons of diesel is 18,000 liters every day, … day after day, months on end, as it is locked in the sea ice around it. The diesel exhaust is black carbon soot that settles in the very cold, dry Arctic air on the ice and snow around the ship for a radius of at least 3 km or more. When the sun returns the world will see what Climate Scientists do to “Save the Planet” from carbon.
Those scientists will sheepishly do it with their own photo evidence when daylight finally arrives sometime in February via their drone-cameras flying high above the ship taking pictures of the blackened ice around the ship. With full daylight they will of course be shocked by the blackened ice around them as far as they can see. But don’t expect the MSM to cover that inconvenient science.
I have no doubt Anthony and Charles will be covering the coming Polarstern’s Arctic carbon pollution story extensively… as it evolves in the next year when the Sun returns to Arctic, the Polarstern, and its Shipload of Fools and the world can see what climate science is up to.
These Arctic ventures by modern day scientists fueled by their grants frequently remind me of Carl Weyprecht’s quote from the NASA PMEL webpage on the First International Polar Year of 1881-1884.
Weyprecht observed:
““But whatever interest all these observations may possess, they do not possess that scientific value, even supported by a long column of figures, which under other circumstances might have been the case. They only furnish us with a picture of the extreme effects of the forces of Nature in the Arctic regions, but leave us completely in the dark with respect to their causes.””
– Carl Weyprech, 1874. Scientist and co-commander of the Austro-Hungarian Polar Expedition of 1872-74.
https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/ipy-1/History.htm
ProTip: Buy popcorn futures.
edit: that is the “NOAA PMEL”. Not NASA. My brain fart.
Sadly, NASA ain’t honest enough to have something like Weyprecht’s quote on its servers.
Great post, Joel.
Particularly liked the comments of Weyprecht! But I guess the general public has no way to form opinion on the real value, or otherwise, of this kind of stunt.
Thank you, Joel, for posting this comment about the waste-of-money and laughable Polarstern expedition.
Regards,
Bob
Bob,
The SciMag essay is paywalled. sooo….
For your (and everyone’s) full reading pleasure, here is the full Science Mag essay. It has so many nuggets of laughable science realities:
So many nuggets of climate gold there in that essay.
No wonder the scientists want to keep going there since Carl Weyprecht’s time.
The mosquito and dengue, yellow fever, and malaria-infected tropics never change.
But… the high polar latitudes are where the change is, + and -. Where the grant money lies.
Sounds like their impact on the pristine environment from noise, vibration, water, human waste and air pollution was an oversight.
” hope to have collected a wealth of data that will help reveal how climate change is affecting the Arctic ”
Or not! Isn’t that possibility allowed?
Funny if they are short of food the 2 dead polar bears should helped.
Polar bear meat needs to be thoroughly cooked.
I want to see the ship get permanently stuck. That would probably require a really cold winter with storms piling up ice in front of the ship so thick it can’t go forward. Fantasy, I know, but what a great monument to man’s foolishness that would be.
wonder how deep a snowdrift is required to allow bears to clamber up?
and yes its going to be an ongoing source of much mirth as this continues.
money and time wasted
Captain’s Log entry 3rd Feb 2020 –
“Today shot 6 polar bears on the foredeck consuming Professor Grantminer. All crew and passengers still in lockdown. Photography of polar bears still verboten – NatGeo only publishing walruses. Scheduled visits to our ship by Messers Attenborough and Suzuki postponed indefinitely, as they will be conferencing in Tahiti for the remainder of this winter.”
Once daylight returns, the black carbon emitted by the ship will cause the ice to melt, this proving the Arctic ice is melting away due to CO2 emissions (sarc/).
At least they have finally found some carbon pollution.
I RON Y.
It’s time for a little Kindergarten Kalculus based on the article…
A 12-month expedition burning 15 tons of fuel per day to support the work of 300 scientists.
365 x 15 / 300 = 18.25 tons per scientist
In comparably rough numbers, I estimate that my wife and I use about 100 pounds (0.05 tons) of fuel per week.
52 x 0.05 / 2 = 1.3 tons per person
And let me speculate how this will probably end… after the expedition is over several of these scientists — who just burned through 14 years-worth of MY lifestyle’s fuel consumption in just one year to support THEIR lifestyle — will point their fingers and waggle their gums about how you and I have to reduce our use of fossil fuels.
And don’t forget at least three research aircraft and four icebreakers to resupply the expedition.
https://mosaic-expedition.org/expedition/
Looks like none of the “scientists” actually stopped to consider how the ship they were staying on was going to impact the environment they were studying.
I doubt much usable data will be collected this winter. Of course that won’t stop them from proclaiming that they have proven everything to be worse than they thought.
Unprecedented even.
They should send Greta (and her father). She loves to be on boats for a long time. Maybe she can bring her dogs too.
Whachoo got against those poor doggies, Robert? 🙁
What’s the distance between «Lance» and «Polarstern»
“Those scientists will sheepishly do it with their own photo evidence when daylight finally arrives sometime in February via their drone-cameras flying high above the ship taking pictures of the blackened ice around the ship.”
And let’s not forget “Admiral Brown”…
They really should be using solar power…
“As the Arctic warms and sea ice melts, shipping in the region is expected to increase dramatically. ” Don’t expect this any time soon. Icebreakers are still getting stuck in Arctic ice. Only the Russians have icebreakers big and powerful enough to go anywhere they please.
In other words, its the old “I don’t believe it, it shouldn’t work in theory” but in reverse: “I believe it because the models tell me its happening so I’ll just ignore the ice”.
Every year the MSM, in keeping with getting the biggest bang for the declining media buck, has an uneducated “writer” with a liberal arts degree but the title of “Senior Science Editor” re-type a press release from a cruise line saying that this year, for sure, one of their ships is totally going to make it through the “ice free” Northwest Passage….
Count on it.
Some of then Nuclear powered, evil Russian, helping Trump.
Sounds like there are multiple Darwin Awards in play here.
Let’s hope no one dies over these foolish forays.
Dead people can become martyrs. Not to be mocked in polite circles.
But “almost dead people” can be ruthlessly mocked for their foolishness.
So almost dead works best.
And there is no “Almost Darwin Award.”
Joel, “Mostly dead” worked in The Princess Bride. Maybe they could be declared “Mostly Brain Dead” by Miracle Max.
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Regards,
Bob
“The Princess Bride” movie has so many classic, age-less lines applicable to every generation, it is hard to know here to begin once one starts quoting from that movie.
Not sure what conditions that vessel is built for, but chances are the hull can be crushed by the ice and the boat screwed down as has happened to other vessels trapped in tick ice.
If something like that happens, they may be ill equipped to make it till a rescue via air can be safely organized.
It’s an ice breaker.
It is not an ice breaker, but has been rebuilt as a polar research vessel, probably with some ice breaking capabilities, but not sufficient to make her way out of the ice.
It was originally built for ocean fishing.
Here is the history of the ship
https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/789801/
Oh sorry, my mind was on the Polarstern mentioned elsewhere here.
There kind of is, it’s called a “Darwin Nomination” – for acts stupid enough to remove said person from the gene pool, but without the desired effect. (Which would have led to the actual awarding)
I’m not exactly sure how dying from being stuck in ice makes you a martyr for people claiming that there is no ice. Even the NPCs have enough cognition for there to be cognitive dissonance in making that claim. Or, maybe not, it wouldn’t surprise me.
I note from earth.nullschool.net that the North Pole is MELTING FAST RIGHT NOW at minus 26.5C.
CO2 can melt anything twice as fast as anything else.
It’s now at a factor of 4…twice as fast as we thought!
That’s why we use them in fire extinguishers.
There is so much CO2 in the atmosphere, maybe its dry ice.
The heat of the ocean melts the ice from the bottom up even when the temperature is well below freezing. The thickness of the ice depends on the air temperature, the colder the air, the thicker the ice.
When I was going to the arctic, there was a steady stream of ‘explorers’ and adventurers. Since communication was by short wave radio, everyone could hear their desperate pleas.
I wonder who’s going to pay for the supply flights. Like 99% of freelance ‘explorers’ and adventurers, these folks are idiots or at least irresponsible.
I suspect that sending a ship to rescue them was more expensive than sending a helicopter. It’s true that helicopters drink fuel at an amazing rate and are very expensive on a per hour basis but they get the job done relatively quickly. Ships, on the other hand, move much slower and have a crew which has to be paid. Depending on the size of the boat, the miles per gallon per passenger can be quite poor. I’m not even sure that a small ship has a smaller carbon footprint than a helicopter. I can’t quickly find the details but the Lance isn’t that small and probably eats fuel pretty quickly.
A helicopter from ship would be much more likely. Helicopters are notorious for poor endurance, fairly ordinary payload and short range.
But some light to medium military logistics aircraft can land on snow covered ice as can civil fixed-wing aircraft.
Alternatively, a light ski aircraft for moving humans, and air-drops by pallet for resupply flights.
Aircraft require flat ice to land. That isn’t always available.
Just make sure to put flotation devices on the pallets, just in case the ice isn’t thick enough.
That certainly not true with fresh water. the warmest water is on the bottom it at 4C. What next to the ice id a 0C yes it has more energy that the ice to change water to ice to move it from a liquid to a solid you need to remove 32 time the energy to transfer the water to ice. It depends on the weather if the ice is exposed and it well below 0C you will get no melting. If the air temperature is well above 0C you might get so melting from below but most of it will be on top with the warm water cutting holes through the ice to warm the water below as it makes it trip to the bottom. Oh by the way the last time I was ice fishing it was 70 F in late February in North Dakota and you could see the holes that the thawed water cut through the ice, that Ice remained on the lake for another month. No Ice does not thaw from the bottom up unless there a spring below it.
Anyone camped on the arctic ice has to measure the thickness of the ice if they want fixed wing supply flights. Thus there are many decades of data in camp logs showing that the arctic ice gets thinner between February and April with the air temperature well below freezing and no surface melting at all.
“..red light doesn’t affect most organisms..”
What? Are LEDs used in hydroponic cultures not red?
https://www.exciteled.de/en/blog/light-and-photosynthesis/blue-and-red-light-in-photosynthesis
Red light is overrepresented if sun shines at sharp angle, which is always a case at north pool.
So it should be expected, that organisms living there are OVERSENSITIVE to red light!
If the lights are powered by fossil fuels, then they are bad. Otherwise solar and wind powered red lights are fine.
Solar PV in the Arctic winter just needs taxpayer PTCs to make it a profitable venture for the operator-owners.
They’ll get paid *not* to produce. It’s free money. Who doesn’t love free money?
You mean solar doesn’t work when there is no sun?? Gosh! Shock! Horror! Spain, managed it.
Solar works just fine when there is no sun. All you need are diesel generators to power banks of lights – and if your feed-in subsidies are high enough, you can even make a tidy profit!
So see? – solar power will indeed save the Earth – all we need is enough diesel fuel and rare earths for the generators to make it workable.
/sarc, if it need be said…
On the other hand, during the winter, there is no Sun, but the Moon occasionally reflect some bluish light down through the bloody darkness.
They are encountering the first problem with making scientific observations. Their mere presence is contaminating that which they are intent on measuring.
Always a problem for science. Lab studies are not “nature.”
And studying nature “in situ” is alway corrupted by the observer intruding.
What matters is how the scientist deals with that.
Is the data any good? How to check it. How to quantify error.
Can multiple observations be made changing observation -impact variables?
What are the experimen’s error bars? (from observer impact)
Real scientists deal honestly and forthright in their manuscripts with these questions.
They want to find the problems. To move forward.
But…. Mainstream climate Science with an alarmist climate agenda to protect because they (were encouraged to and) became “climate change advocates” … not so much.
They sold their integrity for that next grant. We can call them “climate hoe’s”.
“And studying nature “in situ” is alway corrupted by the observer intruding.”
Hence Steve Irwin and his ilk, molesting animals in the wild (or anywhere they find them), providing no scientific value.
Steve Irwin paid for it with his life, being stung near the heart by a stingray.
He sure did. But his family is carrying on the molesting.
They call them selves scientist, funny in high school physic class one of the first thing I learned is you act of measuring something changes what you are measuring. I guess these “scientist” skipped that lecture.
The norwegian article says that there are 10 crew, 2 skiers, 6 skiers support team and 4 journalists/producers
One non-crew has too little heart medicine, and the captain requests a medevac for that person. The resque central has rewieved the medical records and has so far refused a medevac.
The food situation is not yet critical but will be in a couple of weeks.
The captain wants all non-crew off the ship.
They have plenty of seal meat.
If I was captain of that ice-locked ‘wessel’, I’d also want all non-crew to leave. Post-haste.
Babysitting a potential “Dr Smith” thru a hard winter while locked in sea ice is not something I’d like.
Oh the pain, the pain.
In other news, I woke up to 48F this morning. Whomever thinks colder is better is nuts.
48F? That just means I have to start wearing long sleeve shirts.
“They have plenty of seal meat.”
In that case no problem. Nansen and Johansen wintered in a stone hut on Franz Josephs Land in 1895/96 with nothing but seal meat for food and seal blubber for heating and cooking. Seals can synthesize Vitamin C, so a diet of nothing but seal meat will not cause in scurvy.
The captain also demanded that a person onboard, who has a heart condition, be lifted off, as his medicine is running out. However, the Norwegian Sea Rescue Service, after consulting the man’s doctor, flatly refused.
Well if Lance runs out of provisions, they can always shoot some polar bears to increase their meat rations, claiming “climate despair” or something like that. The white teddies have already paid a courtesy visit, curious creatures as they are. I guess they would like to increase their meat rations too. Here they are, a mother with two kids:
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/jd1vbo/lance-fikk-besoek-av-tre-isbjoerner-glad-de-ikke-kom-ti-minutter-tidligere?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=row-7
Caption:
“Minutter tidligere hadde en polfarer vært nede på isen.”
“Minutes earlier a polar expedition member had been on the ice”
Convolution:
The polar bear mother was late for dinner./SARC
Carl, you know what people on Svalbard call the tourists? “Bear Munchies”.
I had almost been such meal opportunity for the bears on Svalbard some years ago. I had a talk with the late Swedish Dr. Fred Goldberg from Swedish Polar Institute about a trip to Svalbard with him. However, I could not make the trip at the time. – Miss him and his great insights a lot.
And harp seal and Narwhale and belugas’ blubber can be heated in a vat to render a very fine, fuel-oil like kerosene to run their engines!
While providing meat to eat!!
Henning, I bet the poley bears are waiting for the heart patient to expire and be “buried at sea”. Also, the poley bears are probably calculating the food stores versus persons on board and calculating when the “poley bear food assistance program kicks in”. That’s right, I think the poley bears are smarter than the fools on this ship.
Ron; well what would be wrong with that? Alarmists are constantly claiming that the polar bears are dying of hunger. A human body should be the least they could provide to alleviate their misery.
Off topic (almost), but I can’t resist to link to an illustration of what happened to Ursus Bogus when he finally made it to the Antarctic. And had a jolly good time there:
If they shoot polar bears, they must not eat the livers as they will end up with Vitamin A poisoning.
we should send a recipie for polar bear Pate then;-)
Polar bear meat is not great for humans when not cooked properly.
Bear is a bit gamey, period. Most carnivore meat is. Once in a while, maybe, but not something I’d each much of.
Give me venison any day…
“Caligula Jones December 20, 2019 at 6:10 am”
The muscles in game meat are very read, they have burnt a lot of oxygen through constant work. Bear, and seal IIRC, meat is riddled with parasites, unless cooked to destruction.
“The white teddies have already paid a courtesy visit” – the Guardian and the BBC will most likely portray that as “starving polar bears desperate for food, are scavenging for scraps around polar research vessel”
That soot smudge will be visible from space coming springtime.
And those lights are like the golden arches to polar bears: here food.
I wonder what happens under the ice now with 24/7 light and protected from the harsh environment by at least 1 meter of ice. Any idea how much heat the ship radiates out under the waterline ?
What on earth are 300 scientists doing, on what appears to be a luxury ship, spending up to 12 months finding out the effects of climate change in the Arctic. Surely just twenty five would be excessive. I’ll guarantee that the 300 will report that the situation is bad or very bad, and we need to do something about it. I wonder whether there might be just one scientist in the group who will report that ‘there is nothing to worry about’, or will his colleagues complain that a ‘no problem’ report would negate the need for their next twelve months jolly, and that would never do. No doubt Mr Harabin has already briefed the BBC, and it won’t be long before the negative reports start coming through, but ‘we should not broadcast that the ship is stuck in the ice.’
As Joel O’Bryan December 18, 2019 at 10:59 pm said, they are burning 15 tonnes of the worst kind of diesel to burn in a stationary vehicle day after day for 12 months. And they are now “bothered” about soot and oil deposits on the ice from the exhaust to prove global warming is destroying the ice.
Yes, I know. The stupid it burns!
It’s 300 scientists over the course of the year rotated on and off every few months. They just did their first rotation of 100 people. And it’s not a luxury ship; it’s an ice breaker. You can follow them every day here. Quite interesting.
https://follow.mosaic-expedition.org
“it must serve as the expedition’s power plant, command center, and hotel—which some might call a five-star. There is a dining room that serves mouthwatering cakes every afternoon at tea time, a sauna, a swimming pool, a gym, a bar, and even small shops where you can buy sweets, tobacco, and alcohol.”
It doesn’t sound like a working ship to me, and rotating a 100 scientist every few months still seems way over the top.
It’s a research vessel; white collar jobs get better perks, but it’s still a working vessel, not a luxury cruise liner. I seriously doubt the 100 persons were all scientists, even though an article I read said that.
If I’d be fed and oiled in 5 star luxury and offered a place on the same next year, well, I wouldn’t have to think 2 seconds about it.
WWF must have a problem with this statement regarding mother bear and babies from Ousland onboard the Lance:
– De ser veldig sunne og friske ut og det er utrolig flott å se. Dette er polhavets dronning med sine to små. Det er flott å se at de reproduserer seg og ser så sunne og fiske ut som de faktisk gjør, sier Ousland til VG.
– They look very healthy and agile, it is very impressive to see. This is the polar ocean’s queen with it’s two small ones. It is impressive to see they reproduce and look so healthy as they actually do. says Ousland to VG.
It will be spun around.
The fact that they are impressed means they are believing their own lie. They have been telling themselves for years that all the bears are starving. To see that they are doing just fine with their own eyes is a real shock to these “scientists”.
Carl, I’ll try my hand at enviro-wacko journalistic editing:
They look very
healthy and agileemaciated, it is veryimpressivedepressing to see. This is the polar ocean’squeenvictim with it’s two doomed small ones. It isimpressivedepressing to see they reproduce hopelessly and look so unhealthy as they actually do. says Ousland to VG.Solidly frozen ice floes are the worst kind of warming.
Let me get this straight : there are “Lance”, “Polarstern” and “Boaty Macboatface” all adrift in polar ice, stuffed to the gunnels with scientists, shooting seals for food and scaring off inquisitive polar bears whilst exploring a wilderness that they have thoroughly polluted .
How many more out there? Are they all getting together for a big Xmas party on the ice (bears not invited)?
And they condemn oil exploration off the Alaska coast.
“And they condemn oil exploration …”
Interestingly Sylvi Listhaug is, as far as I understand from VG, going to be energy minister in Norway. This seems to create heated discussion, because Sylvi has since 2011 condemned wind turbines both on land and sea. She does not think they are doing anything good, and most of all she regard the wind turbines as a disgrace to the otherwise beautiful Norwegian landscape.
Baby bears :
“Mum, are they vegan ?”
Mum bear :
“I hope not.”
No, actually she says “yes”, with enthusiasm, adding ” grass fed and finished!”
Topic: MOSAiC news (Read 37393 times) at the arctic sea ice forum. Well worth a read. 9 long pages of information. Last page has a picture of the ship lit up from a distance of half a kilometer. Very impressive, and using a lot of power.
Warmist site but good writing.
The polarstern will guzzle 15 tons of diesel per day, 15 tons of diesel is 18,000 liters every day, … day after day, months on end.
What the hell 😐 Who is paying these idiots to ruin pristine ice and snow? To have a swimming pool, cakes, and 5 star housing? Al gora the should be locked up in jail for his part in the climate scam!!!
Hm.. how much electrical power does 18,000 liter a day compare to?
18,000 / 24 = 750 liter per hour.
750 * 10 ~ 7.5 MW
All of the 7.5MW cannot go to the electrical appliances alone. My guess is that the major fuel is going to the oil burners for the central heating. – Despite global warming, it is fairly cold outside, and their world pool and sauna also need heating.
Why didn’t they rent one of the Rooskie Nuke powered Ice Breakers?
Probably the lack of amenities, like pool, bar, etc, etc, etc.
Because they are working vessels not cruise ships.
jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja. . . . hahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . lol – in espanol and English !
JPP
El Español is not a language. Please use in Castellano.
These morons will guide us out of the horror of the industrial economy and back to the beauty of pre industrial times.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/04/04/1737/
These morons will guide us out of the horror of the industrial economy and back to the beauty of nature in pre industrial times.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/04/04/1737/
A 787-8 burns about 2 tons an hour of jet fuel (primarily diesel) for reference, equivalent to flying it from JFK to Heathrow every day.
No, jet fuel is not “primarily diesel” it is most similar to kerosene, consisting mostly of alkanes with 8 to 18 coal atoms. In very cold climates Jet B is used which is sort of in-between kerosene and gasoline.
The must be something wrong with a decimal point!
I sailed with a warship in Denmark early 1970’s, where we sometimes used the two DC-10 turbines to sail very fast. The consumption was about 20 tons fuel an hour. I understand that modern engines are more efficient, but so much more…?
That figure is probably per engine. A 787-8 typically burns about 5,000 kg/hour according to Boeing, and that can be verified since it carries max 101 tons of fuel and is used over segments of up to 17-18 hours.
Incidentally that equates to slightly less than 80 mpg per passenger at 100% load factor.
Notice that during cuise jet engines normally operate well below maximum power.
The two most efficient modes of transportation are a bicycle and a jumble jet fulled loaded with passengers. Somehow greens missed that memo, I have know it for over forty years.
These WWF heroes chose a good place to start their trip. There was unusually little ice in the Chukchi Sea this year:
http://masie_web.apps.nsidc.org/pub/DATASETS/NOAA/G02186/plots/4km/r02_Chukchi_Sea_ts_4km.png
But unfortunately there is also unusually much ice in the Svalbard area:
http://masie_web.apps.nsidc.org/pub/DATASETS/NOAA/G02186/plots/4km/r06_Barents_Sea_ts_4km.png
And I can understand that the Norwegian authorities are unwilling to send a helicopter. Flying several hundred kilometers from Nyålesund (the nearest settlement and airfield) in total darkness and unpredictable weather over freezing water and pack-ice is something you only do in extreme emergency.
When you fly a helicopter, four things can happen and five of them are bad.
Yes. A friend of mine who flew both helicopters and (supersonic) jets used to say that the basic difference between a conventional aircraft and a helicopter is that the aircraft wants to fly while the helicopter does not want to fly.
There is a lot of truth in that, a conventional aircraft will keep flying as long as nothing really drastic happens, while very little is often needed for a helicopter to become uncontrollable.
I also remember his answer when somebody asked him what glide ratio a helicopter has: “Marginally better than a brick”.
Losing the tail rotor will not end well. It’s why a French design (IIRC) used exhaust gases vented through a vectored port in the tail. Don’t know why that never took off.
There is also a threshold, something like if you are without engine power and “gliding” slower than 100mph and at 100ft, you will crash, usually fatally. I think it is called “Dead man’s curve”.
Yes. A helicopter that loses power will sink quite rapidly and steeply. However an autorotative landing is possible by pulling collective at the right moment and using the accumulated energy in the rotor to slow the sink to a good landing.
However the rotor must have time to accumulate enough energy, so an engine failure at low altitude and low speed is not good.
Doing a good autorotative landing isn’t easy by the way. You have to pull collective at just the right moment, a split second too early or too late and it won’t be a good landing at all. A company I used to work for made a lot of money repairing army helicopters that got bent while training autorotative landings (military pilots must be able to make them, for obvious reasons)