Guest essay by Eric Worrall
I guess this was inevitable.
2019 PERSON OF THE YEAR GRETA THUNBERG
BY CHARLOTTE ALTER, SUYIN HAYNES AND JUSTIN WORLANDPHOTOGRAPHS BY EVGENIA ARBUGAEVA FOR TIME
Greta Thunberg sits in silence in the cabin of the boat that will take her across the Atlantic Ocean. Inside, there’s a cow skull hanging on the wall, a faded globe, a child’s yellow raincoat. Outside, it’s a tempest: rain pelts the boat, ice coats the decks, and the sea batters the vessel that will take this slight girl, her father and a few companions from Virginia to Portugal. For a moment, it’s as if Thunberg were the eye of a hurricane, a pool of resolve at the center of swirling chaos. In here, she speaks quietly. Out there, the entire natural world seems to amplify her small voice, screaming along with her.
“We can’t just continue living as if there was no tomorrow, because there is a tomorrow,” she says, tugging on the sleeve of her blue sweatshirt. “That is all we are saying.”
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Thunberg is 16 but looks 12. She usually wears her light brown hair pulled into two braids, parted in the middle. She has Asperger’s syndrome, which means she doesn’t operate on the same emotional register as many of the people she meets. She dislikes crowds; ignores small talk; and speaks in direct, uncomplicated sentences. She cannot be flattered or distracted. She is not impressed by other people’s celebrity, nor does she seem to have interest in her own growing fame. But these very qualities have helped make her a global sensation. Where others smile to cut the tension, Thunberg is withering. Where others speak the language of hope, Thunberg repeats the unassailable science: Oceans will rise. Cities will flood. Millions of people will suffer.
“I want you to panic,” she told the annual convention of CEOs and world leaders at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in January. “I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act.”
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Read more: https://time.com/person-of-the-year-2019-greta-thunberg/
She’s been lied to so much, she probably really does feel that fear.
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This comment is not directed at any person in particular. It is a generalization:
What does a true-blue believer in the climate crisis get on an IQ test?
Drool.
Regards,
Bob
In Greta’s case, it’s spittle because she doesn’t know how to STFU.
One of the most important Life lessons for any teenager is to learn is when to shut up and listen. Without that, the outcome is a person like AOC. AOC is embarrassingly ignorant on just about any academic subject one could name, yet doesn’t know how to shut up and actually learn something. Because she failed to learn that life skill as teen.
Basically acquiring critical thinking skills comes from learning. Lots of learning.
And you can’t learn if you can’t STFU.
When all Greta does is run her mouth, regurgitating what she has been told by manipulating adults without thought, then it is nothing but emotions flowing from her thoughts. And that will not serve her well into adulthood.
In the military we had several expressions related to learning and knowledge:
W.A.I.T. (Why Am I Talking).
and
Never give up an opportunity to STFU
“and the sea batters the vessel that will take this slight girl, her father and a few companions from Virginia to Portugal”
where did her “father” come from ???….and how did he get there
A few more sayings — non-military:
The first step to wisdom is silence
— the second is listening.
.
Wise men think without talking;
fools talk without thinking.
.
A wise man has something to say;
a fool has to say something.
.
The truth of a matter,
is not determined by
how many people believe it.
Smart, is when you believe
only half of what you hear
— brilliant, is when you know
which half to believe.
“The believer is happy, the doubter is wise”.
Hungarian proverb (probably)
Advice (too late, I’m afraid) for Greta:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
— unknown (variously misattributed to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain)
I like to add to Woody Allen’s comment that 85% of success is showing up, that there’s another 10% for paying attention.
I was surprised when I found myself agreeing with the first two statements Greta made at the U.N.
“I shouldn’t even be here!”
“I should be in school!”
Advise to Greta: Listen to yourself.
With love, R.G.
The truth of a matter,
is not determined by
how many people believe it.
How very true
Two eyes, two ears, one mouth. Use them in that proportion.
And that’s why you don’t have to be bright to Join the military.
One more reason I haven’t read Time in many, many years
Remember that TIME declared Hitler the man of the year in 1938 and Stalin twice,in 1939 and 1942
Also, Obama twice, Clinton twice, George W twice and Trump among many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year
Without looking, can anyone tell me the “winner” from 2009?
You don’t appear to be alone:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/running-out-of-time-the-slow-sad-demise-of-a-great-american-magazine/274713/
https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/308582/time-inc-cuts-circulation-frequency-of-magazines.html
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I didn’t realize TIME – the magazine – still existed.
About 20 years ago the magazine, TIME, offered a wrist watch with a subscription. Cheap watch, but it worked. Except looking through old copies at a doctor’s office, I have not read anything from the magazine in 19(?) years.
I always thought the selection of “person of the year” was based on who made MSM news the most. Good, bad, popular, villain, or saint doesn’t matter.
With media, selling advertising is the name of the game. Thrust into the MSM by her handlers, Ms. Thunberg rightly earns the award.
“With media, selling advertising is the name of the game”
Yes, as an editor said: “Your job is to produce enough column inches so that the underwear ads don’t all run together”.
Just replace “ads” with “clicks”, and you’ve updated it to 2019.
You are right; Person of the year is awarded to whoever makes the “biggest impact” in any given year. So, good, bad or evil, it’s all about whoever makes the biggest splash that year.
So for me, it’d be a tussle between Greta and Trump. I think Trump has made the bigger impact, everyone is angry at him for some reason.
Joel: If she’s a good little progressive and the progressives continue to rule the world, it will serve her well. It will not serve her well when the inevitable collapse comes and she becomes a subject to the overlords she helped usher in. Dictators will not tolerate such mouthiness. Greta, AOC and many others will be the first to go when their communist “utopia” is brought to full force. If Greta is worried about planetary destruction, no future and a great extinction, maybe the mouthy child should check the mirror for one of the biggest and loudest cheerleaders for that outcome.
Right on. All progressives think they are the ones who will be fine when the revolution comes, but most will be the first to be purged. Their biggest blind spot is to history.
“AOC is embarrassingly ignorant on just about any academic subject one could name”
Yes. She is truly clueless.
AOC is, at least, easy on the eyes.
Maybe if you put a bag over her head so you don’t have to see her crazy eyes, otherwise no.
Well, on this subject, there have been comparisons made to the attractiveness of Donkey in the Shreck movies . . . just saying . . .
You Ever See the Movie, “Children of the Corn” Now you know where she comes from!!
We shouldn’t really be talking about Greta Thunberg the person.
Has anyone in this thread ever had a conversation with her? I bet not. She’s tightly controlled by her handlers on social media. It’s obvious she doesn’t write her own social media posts. She’ll never respond to a post disagreeing with her. Yet the rabble who follow her probably will.
The real issue should be
— who are these adults so thick that they follower her?
— how should smart people respond to fake grassroots politics?
Fake grassroots politics define the green movement. An entire political movement dedicated to stopping something which isn’t happening.
Agree. But we now know the green movement’s true agenda is promoting socialism or fascism; the green movement is the fake narrative to achieve it.
How dare you !
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if we gave all of the skeptics and all the true believers* an IQ test and tests that measure how much actual knowledge a person is in possession of, we would see a very stark contrast.
They are not as smart and they know less.
*The ones in it for fame or money do not count.
Please do not confuse nor merge IQ and Knowledge. They are very different from each other in unique ways.
An individual can be book smart(knowledge) and have very limited understanding of the applications of that knowledge. It is an individual’s IQ that relates facts and knowledge into new ideas.
And having a high IQ doesn’t always mean the person has any common sense either….IQ, book knowledge and common sense often do not go hand in hand!
For example, Marilyn Von Savant, who is (or was at one time) the world record holder for highest IQ, believes in CAGW. And Stephen Hawking believed in it too…
IQ? Idiot Quotient!! How close to idiocy are we? Well the world has started to resemble a Monty Python movie so I think we are all in trouble as the lunacy of crowds takes over and crowds can be manipulated into action so easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2yN_HIxLzI
A person is Smart…People are Dumb, Panicky dangerous animals
K the sage
Luckily for you, IQ tests do not measure “how much actual knowledge a person is in possession of.”
Bob,
I know some very intelligent people who fully believe in the CAGW scam. They are not at all stupid, and a few are very well informed too, actually having read the IPCC actual reports, unlike most.
I don’t understand why, however.
Yes, deciding those holding opinions different from your own are doing so because they are stupid and ignorant is a pretty ignorant and stupid position. Neither is it likely to convince anyone your are right.
Interestingly, the Time cover image ( which you don’t show here ) has here hair untied, staring mystically into the wind on a rocky coast ( rising sea level message ? ) . Are here handlers trying to get away from the juvenile Hansel and Gretal imagery?
She is is the person of the year. So was Hitler in 1938…
It was once said that you need to be very, very smart to do something so stupid.
“I know some very intelligent people who fully believe in the CAGW scam. They are not at all stupid, and a few are very well informed too, actually having read the IPCC actual reports, unlike most.
I don’t understand why, however.”
I think that’s the “$64,000.00” question: How can an otherwise intelligent person be so wrong?
I don’t understand why, either. Things that seem obvious to me are not obvious to others even though some of those others are very smart people.
It’s like the political Left and the Right and their completely opposite views of Trump.
One side is right and one side is wrong on both climate change and Trump. I haven’t seen anthing that says my position is wrong, whereas, I have seen many things that say those of opposite views are wrong.
I think propaganda and groupthink are just some aspects of life that are very hard to sift through for some people and it doesn’t matter how intelligent you are, you can be fooled into taking the wrong side of an argument.
And then there are the deliberate liars. But that’s a whole other subject. Their motivations are much easier to figure out.
In a word “belief”. You can present all the facts you want but once someone chooses to “believe” nothing will get them to change. The fact that belief is not allowed in the scientific method (and consensus) yet is very prominent in their wording shows that they are not basing their position on science.
When you hear questions and statements like “Do you believe in climate change?” and the infamous “You are just a denier” it clearly shows. My favorite replies are “What does believing have to do with science?” and “What is the opposite of denier? A believer. What does believing have to do with science?”.
I point out that the scientific method is predictions, predictions and more predictions. If you say “falsifiable” or “repeatable” you lose a lot of them but they get the above. Then ask them “What predictions have been correct that got you to hold the position you currently do?”.
“In a word “belief”.
Most CAWG True Believers couldn’t tell you what a climate proxy is, but they could tell you their birth sign, colour of aura, the best chiropractor in the ‘hood and the best price for homeopathic medicine.
In my local FB group (good for restaurant reviews, etc.), the Usual Suspects are all over commenting on the “climate emergency” threads…then also on the “Reiki for Pets” thread.
And, unfortunately, they vote (and too many of them are teachers…)
you know some well read people … not intelligent …
Not well read, but well indoctrinated. If they were well read they would be skeptics.
There is a reason it is called “parroting”, it doesn’t require high intelligence.
Everyone is stup-id, just on different subjects. Me too, yesterday at a restaurant:
My wife’s female relative, who I just met, spent five minutes talking about “bags”. To me a “bag” is something you get at a supermarket to hold groceries. And she talked about going to a store in Paris looking for a “Berkin Bag”.
I never heard of Berkin , so I assumed Berkin was the name of a Paris clothing store. And she must have wanted a canvas tote bag with the store’s (Berkin) name on it. I thought maybe she could not get one because customers had to make a significant purchase to get a free tote bag.
Meaning I was totally clueless on the “bag” subject … just like the woman was on the subject of climate change, in an earlier conversation with me. I had asked her to send some “global warming”
from California to Michigan, where it was very cold. I also told her the world was NOT going to end in 12 years — but it was obvious she doubted me — so I continued by saying there were only eight years left, and she was happy again. She’s from California, or course.
“Everyone is stup-id, just on different subjects.”
Or, the other way around, “everyone is conservative about what they know best”.
I read a sciency book about pseudo-science, and the author told of reading one of those “ancient astronaut” tomes, and was convinced by what he was reading…until the book got into HIS area of expertise, where he spotted the obvious crap.
Richard, you’re a hoot. Enjoyed. We have some clever posters to WUWT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Birkin
Hi Bob, here is the problem; Medical Researchers no longer utilize the term “Asperger Syndrome” as functional MRI studies show the brain wave movement into sectors of the brain disrupted where reality checks should register as a high-functioning Autism. Greta may actually have a high IQ, but getting it focused into a reality-checked, coherent, rational, balanced thought may be difficult for her, and the feedback she is getting confirm her importance instead of getting treatment for her condition. For instance, both Greta and Al Gore slammed BREXIT at the COP25 event, and what in the heck does either know about this, however, it may show where their interests are, ie, World Government.
“For instance, both Greta and Al Gore slammed BREXIT at the COP25 event, and what in the heck does either know about this, however, it may show where their interests are, ie, World Government.”
Yes, it sounds like both are pushing a socialist agenda at COP25.
I’m not going to criticize Greta. I consider her to be an abused child whose head has been filled with leftwing garbage which has scared her to death for real, and she is reacting to this fear. If we really thought the world was going to end in 10 or 12 years, we would be screaming at people, too. So people should take it easy on Greta. She is being used by some very stupid and, in some cases, some very unscrupulous people.
Most notably her parents.
My child has anxiety (clinically diagnosed). She has been to therapy (individual and group) and I saw the kids in that group. Without being mean some are very, very messed up. That is unfortunate and I don’t post that to cast aspersions, it is merely an observation.
Were I to have seen one of those parents of the children in that group doing something actively to worsen their child’s anxiety it is quite likely that the first time I saw it I would have pulled them aside and suggested aggressively that I would not tolerate a second instance. Had I witnessed a second instance I would have caused said adult significant anxiety of the physical variety.
Greta is a high functioning child on the spectrum. This is not a secret. She clearly has anxiety issues which are very, very real to her. Rather than try to address these rationally, her parents and handlers are functionally and quite literally abusing her. This in my mind is pretty classic Munchausen-by-proxy abuse and the world is lapping it up. That makes me tremendously sad.
Why are the parents/handlers doing this? All the usual reasons: fame, fortune, exposure, agenda. The child is nothing more than a tool to achieve a variety of goals. So very sad.
As soon as she has outlived her usefulness, she will disappear. A poster at another blog pointed to Cindy Sheehan and Sandra Fluke as examples.
I feel bad for Greta since she has issues and is being exploited abusively. I’m not sure how she’ll react when she sees the light.
Yes, it is tragic that people, especially Cindy Sheehan who lost a son, are exploited for political purposes.
I would add the kids from Parkland who were in the spotlight for their 15 seconds as well.
The replies to my comment above answered a question for me. The question: Should I spend the time to prepare a post in which I update for the climate crisis and extinction rebellion a bunch of old politically incorrect jokes? The answer was obviously no. Even if they are qualified (that it had nothing to do with Greta) as I had in that comment.
“The answer was obviously no.”
Maybe your sample size is too small.
I vote yes on the politically incorrect joke post.
OMG. Thank you sir!
There is still hope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKiWjc2hZVU
The irony is strong here, the Guardian carrying this review with a complete lack of self-awareness!
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/01/why-smart-people-are-more-likely-to-believe-fake-news.
I’ve heard it said before that intelligent/educated people are easier prey for emotional manipulation that bypasses logical reasoning. So do not dismiss climate crisis crusaders as particularly dim. Brainwashed/deluded more likely.
Saw a documentary once on art fraud. Seems the easiest victims were lawyers, followed by doctors.
I mean, when you mix greed with superiority, can’t be that hard to fool them.
Same with media consumption, just replaced greed with “overdeveloped sense of self-worth”.
Didn’t some character ,Hans Christian Anderson describe the mechanics of this in
“The Emperors new Clothes”?
Greed and a belief in your own superiority, a wonderful combination.
Speaking of lawyers:
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/12/11/pakistani-lawyers-riot-attacks-hospital-multiple-patients-killed/
The TIME (amazed they are still in business) magazine award prompted me to award the 2019 Honest Global Warming Chart Blog Buffoon of the Year to Greta “Thunderberg” this morning. … AOC was runner-up.
https://elonionbloggle.blogspot.com/2019/12/climate-buffoon-of-year-2019-greta.html
Mr. Tisdale, there is a real climate crisis, and we skeptics should not forget that fact: The real climate crisis is the gross overreaction, and spending, in response to an imaginary “coming” climate crisis … that is always coming, since the late 1950s (Roger Revelle), but never shows up.
Hint: A new Tisdale article ALWAYS improves the quality of this website !
Not sure whether to be proud or ashamed but I heard the headline on the radio and immediately thought Greta. My runner up would have been AOC.
I have written this comment twice before on WUWT posts on Greta:
“I completely agree that her being made a symbol of our eminent demise is ridiculous and terrible.
However, it is my understanding that as a younger child she was diagnosed with Asperger’s disease (currently lumped in with the all inclusive “autism spectrum disorder” [ASD] by our brilliant and wonderfully effective mental health community ) that is characterized by being intelligent, but overly obsessive, compulsive and lacking in abilities to interact socially. Once these people get something in their heads, it tends to stay there obsessively.
If this is true, then she is to be pitied as a tool of the warmists and they and her artist parents should be charged with child abuse.”
I stand by this comment as even more information about the “dark” money from organizations that exploited this unfortunate handicapped teenager for their “save the earth” cause comes out. When the end justifies the means, the end always gets corrupted.
I worked with an obsessive compulsive, a lovely guy and really quite bright. But there certain jobs he could not be allowed to do – being in the airline industry, it was, at the time, necessary to complete a weight and balance ( or trim) sheet to present to the captain prior to take off.
If we allowed this guy to do it, the aircraft would have been delayed for hours while checked and double-checked the figures! In fact, he even laughed at himself after the time other staff caught him checking the carbon copy of the daily cash reconciliation after he had totalled it on the top sheet. Now that’s obsessive!
Vomit
Have some sympathy folks, she is the chosen one after all, and you know this will end badly for her in some way.
In the end, the left always eats their own.
Shamelessly stolen from the web, regarding Scoldilocks being named TIME Magazine Person Of The Year:
w.
Great quotation.
I’ve said before that a temperamental adolescent with OCD who has been brainwashed from birth is a perfect figurehead for a movement with collective OCD.
Willis Eschenbach … 10:24 pm
Scoldilocks
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
First chuckle of the day.
Not so long ago scold was a ‘trigger’ word.
She also should get hypocrite of the year.
Ah yes, the video I have just watched. #Genderthing…week!
No. Hypocrisy is the one thing I will not accuse her of.
What I would like to see is everyone, and I mean everyone, who has permitted, encouraged, profited from this charade prosecuted for child abuse. They know what they are doing and they know just how immoral it is.
She is 16. She either is a hypocrite or a poster child for doublethink. She is called a child, but she’s not a child. At 16, in spite of the medical community’s infantization of humans and claiming they are not adults till they are 30, human beings are fully formed by 16. It is society that keeps them children, not nature. Stop cutting the brat slack because “she’s a child”. I agree she is a used and abused child, but society can’t stop that without massive loss of freedom. Do you really want your government raising your child, because that’s what you are asking for. I don’t like what Greta’s parents did to her, but if we use the government to stop it, we can use the government to stop “deniers” from teaching their kids about real science, we have to go with drag queen story hour, kindergarteners get taught “self-pleasuring”, etc. I will not give the government that much unfettered power just to “save Greta”. Maybe someone should have cared BEFORE the schools were taken over by crazy people. It’s far to late now. A revolution would be required and I do not see that happening.
Granted that people aged 16 can and do function as adults, and girls mature sooner than boys. For that matter, kids as young as six are capable in extremis of surviving on their own. But human skulls don’t knit until age 25 and brains don’t achieve maturity until about 35.
The Framers of the Constitution were wise.
Not too many adults eat Tide pods, for instance.
And most of those who survive adolescence learn to slow down when driving, at least when sober.
John: You’re going with the medicalization aspect. Before we knew all this useless “science”, we looked at behavior and social norms. As noted by others, in the past 16 year olds were considered mostly adult. The biology is not what determined that—society did. They taught children to grow up fast. They didn’t live in Mom’s basement till they were forty. We have infantilized humans and treated them like complete losers. THAT is the immoral act. (Consider that 25 year olds stay on their parents insurance besides living in the basement and refusing to grow up. As time goes by, I predict “science” will declare immaturity exists until 60, and 80 year olds will be working and trying to hold together the “child” society.)
The Marine Corps used to prefer 17 year old non high school graduates, as more maleable and ready to storm defended beaches.
Modern war is such that more maturity and education are now considered preferable. And the mission has changed from amphibious landings to urban combat.
Sociology matters, but IMO biology still rules.
Well, Sheri, it’s been said that boys don’t grow up, they just get bigger and their toys more expensive.
She will be 17 on January 3 and I’ll wish her a happy birthday and hope that someday she’ll grow and be able to deal with her disappointment at being used which she eventually will realize.
Nevertheless, she is experiencing accolades and experiences of which most people can only dream. Monetarily at least, she has no basis to claim a stolen childhood. I hope that she will be able to spend some time in the Congo, Inner Mongolia, perhaps Xinjiang. She could become a force for good at some point.
In the middle ages, a 16 year old would be married and have a kid or two.
…to a man in his 20s who was widowed by childbirth…whose father is the oldest man in the village at 50.
True, but still not necessarily fully mature mentally.
OTOH, even 16 year-old males were entrusted with responsibilities in the Middle Ages and antiquity. In 1403, as Prince of Wales, ~16 year-old Henry V led a major group of men in battle at Shrewsbury, where he took an arrow in the face. Alexander’s first victory was at age 18.
Miyamoto Musashi, the sword saint of Japan, and Sitting Bull, of Custer’s Last Stand fame, both killed their first opponent in battle at the age of 14.
John, many times maturity comes after responsibility.
A life without responsibilities is a life in which one never grows up.
True that maturity depends upon responsibility, but there are also biological changes in brain with age.
Mathematicians and physicists often do their best work in their 20s, but that doesn’t mean that the same people should be making decisions affecting millions of people.
I started full-time work, one week after my 16th birthday (as a junior clerk) and worked with responsible adults who allowed me to develop and mature. I was given responsibility, but with benign supervision. Keeping kids at school and giving them meaningless degrees in various “Humanities” subjects doesn’t prepare them for the real world. Once I matured, I was able to choose study streams suited to my career. Which led to 14 years of part-time studies in Marketing and Business Economics.
The best work resume I ever received was from a guy who had joined the Navy at 15 and recently been de-mobbed. Couldn’t wait to work, did whatever was required and didn’t understand why other staff queried reasonable directions. He was smart, presentable and enthusiastic and, when I retired, was my recommended replacement as Regional Manager.
I can see now why a young male would be tempted to be an activist – no,no stop talking, love. You’re spoiling everything.
Climate contraband , love it.
Hypocrite implies that you know what the right thing is and choose to hide that in order to get some other goal. Or, espousing one idea but doing something else for your self( Algore, still doing it).
I don’t think Ms. Greta understands enough about what is going on to be a hypocrite. Her parents, adult friends, and others certainly do and coach her performances for their own ends. It’s one of the most abusive forms of behavior possible.
Every person, excepting One, that has ever existed is a hypocrite and a liar; we are imbued by sin at birth. That is why all mankind needs a savior – Jesus.
We don’t need saving from socialist scams like AGW/CAGW, we need saving from our innate sin.
Greta will be seventeen this january but she looks like an eleven year old, so she can avoid critical questions about the collapsing ecosystems and the dying people.
Fetal alcohol syndrome.
That’s just offensive.
To whom? About as offensive as using a child to spread alarmist propaganda? Syndrome implies genetic issues.
I agree, Patrick, Greta is being used. I think initially by her parents and now by people with a vested interest in continuing this farce.
Two wrongs, however, do not make a right.
Attacking somebody because they have a mental illness is reprehensible and simply stoops to the same level as the warmanistas.
In my book Chaswarnertoos comment was offensive. We can disagree on this, but I still find it offensive to attack anybody for these reasons.
I have no problem with people saying she’s a sock puppet whos scripted talks come directly from her mothers’ arse.
BTW, Greta does not show the signs of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome as far as I can see.
“I have no problem with people saying she’s a sock puppet whos scripted talks come directly from her mothers’ arse.”
That may not be offensive but it is nothing but a false, unsupported smear.
That is not what syndrome means. Syndrome is a collection of symptoms. This is often used to identify a condition for which the pathogen has not been identified. A disease requires a known pathogen.
since alcohol is clearly identified as the cause here, I’m not sure why it is called a syndrome. Probably some attempt at being politically correct and not overtly accusing a mother of giving her child brain damage through drug abuse.
“Loydo December 12, 2019 at 1:16 am”
Maybe not her mother, but certainly her German “guide”. Smear that!
“Greg December 12, 2019 at 1:39 am”
Apart from those inherited, which most are, ie, genetic. Trust me I know what I am talking about, tinnitus, psoriasis and haemochromatosis.
‘That may not be offensive but it is nothing but a false, unsupported smear’
Gosh – isn’t that the progressive MO? All day every day?
Notice how Loydo just declares that opinions that differ from his are unsupported.
Self awareness was never one of her strong points.
In my unprofessional opinion, Greta does indeed display many of the physical and mental symptoms of FAS, starting with stunted growth.
Both of her parents are tall. Her mom is 6’0″. Greta is tiny.
Fetuses agree…
She has the physical characteristics.
It’s about as offensive as the children around the world in shear panic that the world will die before they”ll be 20-25 years old. They’r seeing doctors of different types to help them with anxiety and depression and suicide because of their doomed world, THAT’S WHY!
I am offended that you have forced your offence into my FAS musing safe zone.
How Dare You!
Jokes said, Time Person of the Year does display strong evidence of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. This is a real condition but one we may never prove, partly because Autism is now considered a Super Power that is to be embraced right up until till the time it is needed as a shield, but mainly because to get Fetal Alcohol you need to have someone who is a ‘Bad Mother’, and no one is going to openly confess to that.
Still, if you like to believe that the most privileged girl in the world is a innocent and fragile victim that has been cruelly deal a hand of crud in the card game of life then knock yourself out.
Personally I fear she is a manifestation of evil and means every single word she utters in her quest to reform the world in her personal image, but hey, I could be wrong. Maybe she is just a poorly educated special needs puppet.
Also, How Dare You!
Or something 🙂
A comédienne from a non-English country, playing the part of a very old lady, when asked about Greta Thunberg responded “is she that climate mongoloid”?
It made me laugh, because the whole concept of Greta Thunberg is in an of itself an hilarious parody.
“Name a better representative of 2019 than a petulant child screaming ineffectually about politics beyond their understanding or control.”
She’s suffering from demonic possession, in which case her handlers are the demons.
Hope there was no explosive green vomit on the boats.
That must run in the family. Greta has a younger sister with even stronger Super Powers.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/beata-ernman-thunberg/
According to the link you gave:
I assume she’s travelling internationally only on transport powered by unicorn farts.
I guess that their mom didn’t learn from Greta’s conditions in time to stop drinking heavily while pregnant with Beata.
Maybe Greta was still too young for her physical and mental disorders to become obvious.
My 12 year old daughter sees right through it! Refreshing given so much climate propaganda spouted in climate change indoctrination camps, sorry, I mean schools, here in Australia.
Kermit is bemused whilst Brains and Lady Penelopy are completely befuddled .
How can this be ? please explain .
Oh , you have to be a person , i c said the blind man .
Funny how she traveled across the usa and some parts of canada, and didn’t post a single picture or story of any “climate” suffering people 😐 None from Europe either, I wonder where the climate problem is? Africa? India? Surely not russia or china?
Time magazine, its the same magazine that gave Hitler person of the year as well… Seem Time magazine will put any piece of #&it on the front cover!
Time even made Hussein himself Person of the Year in 2012!
Stalin received the “accolade” twice.
You all seem to miss the point of Person of the Year. It is not a moralistic or political correctness award about like a Nobel “Peace” Prize.
what A.H achieved was colossal, so much so that we are still talking about it today. That is not a moral judgement, simply a statement of fact. It’s hard to see him not being “Person of the Year” at some point in history. Though I’m sure they were still calling it “Man of the Year” back then.
Yes, Greg, you are probably right, though we are dealing with people incapable of learning or telling the truth with Time magazine. However, the appropriate designation would have been “Most in the News” person for the year. Their title implies adulation and approval. I really question the idea that Time was not a lover of Hitler, Hussein, and the other communist mass murders. Time is basically a communist publication that has approved of said form of government for decades. Also, most in the news generally are the dictators, the human haters and the violent. Remember, violence sells. Along with androgynous teenagers.
Yes sunny I was thinking the same thing ,heres RTs take on thunbergs award..
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/475620-greta-thunberg-time-societal-crisis/
Huge carbon footprint denier of the year.
To be fair, she has a carbon-based foot, hand, etc. We all do. Some larger, some smaller, some petite. And toes and fingers, too. We need to decarbonize our population. A planned population.
” … We need to decarbonize our population. … ”
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You’re laughably out of your a-scientific mind if you think that’s any sort of plan of action.
I think he was being ironic.
Greta was the moment the Global Warming movement ‘jumped the shark’.
She is a great asset to the Skeptic cause…leave her alone.
The gift that keeps on giving …
The empathetic appeal is strong with this one.
That said, diversity (e.g. racism, sexism, genderism) and exclusion. White privilege? Female sex? Feminine gender? Time, really?
How did she pass the social justice acid test? Hypocrisy, no. Bigotry, writ large.
Buy carbon credits. Share… shift liability. Be green, go Green for green.
She passed the Joe sniff test…
Brilliant! +8 through 90 degrees
This is funny!
The Time article excerpt said: ‘Where others speak the language of hope, Thunberg repeats the unassailable science: Oceans will rise. Cities will flood. Millions of people will suffer.’
Only two errors in that sentence: ‘unassailable’ and ‘science’. Huh! I stopped reading Time about 30 years ago because of tripe like that. I wonder how much further its circulation has fallen since then.
I didn’t know people even read Time Magazine these days.
If it weren’t for waiting rooms Time would have no circulation at all.
If it weren’t for captive audiences Time would have no circulation.
There has to be a joke here about people reading Time in waiting rooms and ending up with no circulation, but I can’t quite put it together.
Or maybe the only people who read Time already have no circulation.
I quit reading Time Magazine when they announced in an editorial that they would no longer present both sides of the argument for and against gun control. All future articles would only support the position for gun control. There seems to be a pattern with Time.
Adolf Hitler was in 1938, seems about right.
If there were a true, scientific basis for her concern I would celebrate her efforts. However, there is not. Those who let this child grow up in an atmosphere of inept lies and terror, and then used her for their own hellish political ends, are guilty of the worst child abuse. Her countenance will be printed on a the cover of a once powerful magazine to stand as a symbol to their everlasting shame.
Greta seems to be all in on Climate Justice®. They aren’t even pretending it’s about climate anymore.
The Time magazines “Whatever of the Year” has relevance nowadays? And who cares?
What other real or wanna be socialist mass killers were Persons of the Year?
… repeats the unassailable science …
Because she’s ignorant of science. But SHE is unassailable…
A human shield – another progressive tactic.
Greta’s presence on the climate debate has RAISED the average IQ of the true believers.
They should be congratulated for choosing such a smart articulate leader to replace their last smart articulate leader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw
Those PRATs are celebrating today!
Thanks
JK
When she is asked a few simple questions, without a prepared script to read from, she has literally nothing to say.
Not even talking points.
She is a little actress, nothing more.
Just curious, but how do you know? Has anyone ever asked her what could be called a substantive question?
I think that people have tried Kyle. It may have been here that there was a video of some one trying to get a climate related definitive answer from her, only for her to run away , saying that she would call the police because of harassment.
Yes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bwLt_5t73g
Kyle: Yes, and they get the IPCC report shoved in their face. Questioning is limited, however, or her ignorance would be evident. If she is Goddess Greta and so wise, why not question her? Should she not welcome questions??? Even hold a question-and-answer period??? Of course she would and should. She doesn’t. Enough said.
Questioning is extremely limited because Greta, herself, is extremely limited.
Andrew Bolt on Greta and child abuse:
https://youtu.be/DticpNH3a2Q
And a bad actress at that. She can only function in her own carefully prepared dramatic setting. I feel very sorry for Greta. The world will move on and leave her behind, but she will stay locked in her fears and her anger. How will she be, ten years from now? Will she have matured, or will she be the same tragic prisoner of her illusions? She will soon turn 17, but looks like a ten year old, and talks like a younger child. Kid stars sometimes don’t cope well with growing out of their childhood sweetness on the screen. Greta is anything but sweet on stage, but the situation is the same. The story won’t fit her anymore. Like a confused kitten, that doesn’t understand why it can’t get under the lounge chair as it grows bigger, Greta will lose whatever excuse one may want to grant her, courtesy of young age. A stale, worn-out, impotent rage just won’t make the headlines anymore. Maybe there won’t be sailing boats available for her either.
And for all intents and purposes, there always will be.
You’re a bit late Greta, you should have been here in the 16th century when climate-change was actually a problem.
“… Have someone else’s yacht and money, will travel. …”
It seems like a really, really long time Greta has been 16. And time is going by so quick for me now, it seems like it is almost Christmas again. I bet AOC is still only 29, right? Why does time go so slow for some things, and then for other things, it is like it is almost all over? That is what some of the young kids are telling me (with a wink), that I am just an old guy who will be dead soon and then it is their turn to run the place.
Things that are a joy tend to go fast.
Things that are a PITA go much slower.
No Time (magazine) could be a good thing (channeling a great classic by the Guess Who)
“No time for a summer friend
No time for the love you send
Seasons change and so did I
You need not wonder why
You need not wonder why
There’s no time left for you
No time left for you”
(3rd verse)
She should start yelling at her parents:
How dare you!
The irony…should be:
Angry, Whiny, Self-Righteous, Old, White Guys pile their hate on the Time Magazine’s Person of the Year
You guys, yes your nearly all guys are soooo out of touch with the science. The science clearly shows abrupt anthropogenic heating.
But here is the much, much deeper irony: your side has won; the science is clear yet CO2 concentration still climbs exponentially. The delayers, the deniers, the shills, the doubt-mongers, the fossil-fuel lobby, the reptiles of Murdoch and the paid-off politicians have succeeded. Succeeded where the tobacco lobby failed. Greta Thunberg and every young person she has inspired have every right to be pissed.
Cool your heels, Loydo. Climate alarmism is no where near as well scientifically supported as the tobacco medical science was. Remember, there’s multiple components to this:
1) Is the climate warming?
2) If yes, then is the warming being driven primarily by human-released greenhouse gas emissions?
3) Will the warming be catastrophic?
#3 is among the most weakly supported in terms of claiming “yes.” That human-caused climate change will cause catastrophic climate change is not a scientific theory. It is at best a scientific hypothesis.
You’re happy that its only a “weakly supported” yes to catastrophe? Good luck.
The side effects of the proposed cure, windmills and solar panels, are much worse than the supposed ailment.
How the heck is an additional 0.2 to 0.5C of heat going to be catastrophic?
And if it’s an extra 0.2 – 0.5 from BoM recording stations, it would have been felt for just a couple of seconds each time.
Oh the humanity!
And a reminder that one of the first notices into statistical “warming” was that Siberian winters were getting less cold (i.e., nighttime temps weren’t as cold).
What are the hottest-to-coldest season-location-date extreme temperature differences on the Earth, excluding the poles and deserts? . . . something like:
— 215 F (102 C) for North America
— 147 F (64 C) for South America
— 191 F (88 C) for Europe
— 219 F (104 C) for Asia
— 142 F (61 C) for Africa
— 132 F (56 C) for Australia
— 197 F (92 C) for Antarctica
(source for above: https://www.space.com/17816-earth-temperature.html )
So, we humans need to worry about, let alone fear, adapting to a 0.5, or even 3 C, “permanent” upward global temperature shift . . . if it ever comes to pass???
Good god!
Loydo has it ever dawned on you that Greta hasn’t said anything original, she is repeating the same doomsday baloney that have been uttered for many years now. She is repeating the long known propaganda babble of a doomed world over a tabletop pile of unverified climate models.
You would be happy wearing a straitjacket because you would feel the hugging all day long.
Why would it dawn on him? He’s doing the same thing.
The irony Loydo, is that none of those conspiracy theories have any merit, yet the end result is just as you say. CO2 keeps going up. Why?
Because Loydo, the adults in the room understand that discontinuing fossil fuel use would be precisely the catastrophe that Greta screams about. Billions would die of starvation alone. Without sanitation and clean water, billions more from disease. As for the environment, it would be hooped. Sewage in the water ways, forests cut down by people trying not to freeze to death, animals hunted to extinction by starving masses… A world without fossil fuels is sparsely populated by people living short brutish lives, busy trying to bury their dead and stay among the living.
Be careful what you wish for Loydo.
Well, here we go again Loydo, from a graph that you, yourself posted – no abrupt anthropogenic heating, not much heating at all even, with much of it being before fossil fuels. You have a chronic brain malfunction that needs to be treated Loydo. How can you not see that?
https://apis.mail.aol.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@ur momisugly.id==VjN-oV5CbBm02CAL16XrU6ubC_OosL-qgCQaO-MAXRwyzzvoJ8XrwN5iMx_bokw976w1/messages/@ur momisugly.id==AE-n1IN4XmtkXS9HFAm4SPULzBA/content/parts/@ur momisugly.id==2.2/thumbnail?appId=aolwebmail&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=2.2
Greta’s children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren (if she has any) may be blessed with close to another degree of warming, although I wouldn’t call that one.
Let me try that again:
Ohhh I am scared!
Terrifying isn’t it? I can’t understand why I don’t have a hurricane in my kitchen every morning.
Don’t be rude to your betters.
The science Loy-doh can produce none of.
Just use the words, Loy,
you don’t need to know what they mean. 😉
“ The science clearly shows abrupt anthropogenic heating.”
Prove it!
Prove it!
What would you consider proof?
Why exactly do you believe that we face dangerous man-made global warming, Loydo?
Please put forward some data or quote from something that you’ve read that convinces you – and no links, set out your views in your own words.
You say ‘Angry, Whiny, Self-Righteous, Old, White Guys pile their hate on the Time Magazine’s Person of the Year. You guys, yes your nearly all guys are soooo out of touch with the science. The science clearly shows abrupt anthropogenic heating.’
Your prejudice and rudeness is remarkable. Don’t forget that many of the people who disagree with the CAGW narrative have many years of professional experience in scientific and technical matters.
I’m not an old white guy yet, but I’m on my way, unless I decide to be a black woman or take advantage of the newly discovered gender fluidity.
My conversion from AGW believer to skeptic began when George W Bush began promoting it. I began looking into it and became aware of how poor its scientific basis is. I actually supported Al Gore for president. I should be thankful for my independence.
I’m presently working for a government institute that is engaged in environmental research, including climate research and atmospheric chemistry. I have a Ph.D. in chemistry and work on instruments for relevant measurements.
The science is driven by money (grants) and politics, mostly progressive communist, socialist types. The wind will change. In the meantime, real science is suppressed.
“Loydo December 12, 2019 at 2:58 am
What would you consider proof?”
Actual heating evidence and not just adjusted anomalies, y’know, real data. Oooops, I know, that’s not allowed when discussing climate.
“What would you consider proof?”
How about showing a connection between human-caused CO2 and the Earth’s weather. How about giving us a number on how much warmth CO2 adds to the Earth’s atmosphere. The implied connection is: More warmth equals more severe weather.
What do you consider proof?
What are you offering?
She’s just kicking the can down the road. Anything to change the subject away from her inability to actually support her religious convictions.
At a minimum, you would need to show that warming is either faster than any time in the past and that warming is greater than any time in the past.
Currently both conditions are negative for this world.
No need to prove it. Just say the word ‘science’ and the accompanying statement is automatically true. It’s a variant of the game ‘Simon says’.
“Time Magazine’s Person of the Year”
Is she, or just nominated for that title?
When all the fame and attention is gone, and the media asks “Greta who?”, will you be around to cushion the inevitable crash? Nah, I didn’t think so. I have said before, Greta is being manipulated by her PARENTS and her “handler”, she is not prepared for what she is experiencing now and she is not prepared when that experience stops.
Loydo December 12, 2019 at 12:47 am
Real science shows a cooling Earth for the last ~85 million years. Deep oceans (and thus the surface) cooled some 10-15 degrees during that time. So let’s start noticing something unusual when the deep oceans have warmed at least 10 degrees above their current temperatures.
Interested to hear how a little CO2 in our cold atmosphere can warm the deep oceans.
“Loydo December 12, 2019 at 12:47 am
The irony…should be:
But here is the much, much deeper irony: your side has won; the science is clear yet CO2 concentration still climbs exponentially.”
I don’t think you know the meaning of the word.
They need to be pissed at those who scrambled their minds with post-modern deconstructive nihilism, psychotropic drugs and narcissistic popular culture, i.e. the left.
And they need to be thankful to those who have given them a life of safety, comfort and ease that no other people in the history of mankind have ever known. Made possible by fossil fuels, of course.
If the science has won, why did she spend at elast 13.5 Tonnes of CO2e emissions to do her trip? 9 tonnes embodied in the Malizia, 2 tonnes to drive 10,000 miles across USA and Canada, and 2 tonnes on diesel burn as they ploughed through headwinds as they approached the coast of Portugal.
Add in crew flights and the trip is 20T+.
Umm, you forgot to mention Communist China and India. Hmm.
The science shows that there has been warming since 1850.
The science does not show that there is anything unusual about either the rate or amount of warming.
The science most certainly does not show that the warming is anthropogenic (sic).
The world’s average temperature is still substantially below the average for the last 10,000 years.
The tiny bit of warming that CO2 might be responsible is entirely beneficial.
The enhanced plant activity caused by enhanced CO2 is almost entirely beneficial.
**You guys, yes your nearly all guys are soooo out of touch with the science. The science clearly shows abrupt anthropogenic heating.**
Bull. No science shows AGW. All hearsay. You just proved it again by NOT being able to quote any proof.
The science clearly shows abrupt anthropogenic heating.
Really? LOL
Great!
1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.
2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.
There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change and science deniers like yourself.
Without actually knowing what the natural forcers are, we can’t rule them out. (Ask any climatologist what caused the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age.)
Add to that the fact that we still haven’t warmed back up to the average of the last 10000 years and the Null hypothesis is confirmed.
Old MacDonald would be proud! 😉
I’m neither old, male, and you seem angrier than I do – but continue with your assumptions, dear.
Seems another “progressive” gets caught projecting bias.
Reminds me of the lines from the movie “The Matrix”:
Trinity: My name’s Trinity.
Neo: *The* Trinity? Who cracked the IRS d-base?
Trinity: That was a long time ago.
Neo: Jesus…
Trinity: What?
Neo: I just thought… you were a guy.
Trinity: Most guys do.
Progressives have always made the best bigots. Loydo is classic.
Yeah, it’s amazing how the “tolerant left” tend to be the most intolerant SOBs you’ll ever meet.
Not to mention how many self-professed “male feminists” turn out to be, shall we say, less than gallant.
Not exactly news that skeptics seem to be less angry and anxious than CAWG True Believers.
We are certainly happier and more optimistic.
‘Old, White Guys’
You really are an unerring bigot, aren’t you Loydo?
‘Greta Thunberg and every young person she has inspired have every right to be pissed.’
Considering the demands this arrogant little POS is making I’d say WE are the ones with the right to be pissed.
There’s never been a generation that’s been in more dire need of five-across-the-eyes.