The Anti-Greta

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107 thoughts on “The Anti-Greta

  1. Thank you. It’s nice to see a youth who is willing to have an open mind and question the so-called consensus. Perhaps there is still hope.

    • Youtube have had to put the usual Wiki misinformation on this just so you can get a dose of the alarmism that she’s talking about it’s like they can’t see the fools they are making of themselves doing the very thing she’s pointing out.
      As Forest says stupid is as stupid does.

      James Bull

    • no, I just sent this round with the question will we see her get ANY media time or invites?
      no we won’t
      even though she does believe the carbon meme a saner viewpoint and some questioning makes her persona non grata

    • More to the point does anyone think she will get an invite to the United Nations. Especially when her message would be to scold the very adults that hold membership and who are propagating the fear and anxiety.

    • Albert, I feel it is important to know how this hysteria is affecting the mental health of children.

      • dunno
        shes doing it via her own pc in her own room and not appearing to have anyone prodding her from some media outfit.
        kids speaking up against other kids…
        and the fearmongering that IS harming so many of them
        frankly Im pleased to see it.

        • Billing her as anti-Greta sends the wrong message. Neglecting to use her name (first name) is also impersonal.

          Greta suffers from ClimatePhobia and refuses to answer any questions related the Science and Climate.

          It’s great to see young adults using crital thinking and a reasoned approach when discussing a topic as complex as Climate and Climate states of change.

          She should not be dismissed out of hand nor ever be ridiculed for her effort.

          “Teach your children well.”

          • I wrote that prior to viewing the video.

            Wow, she’s remarkable. It’s fairly a obvious, she’s been researching and discussing the issues with friends and family.

            I’m encouraging you to change the headline, drop the it’s worse than we thought nonsense, and invite her to post on WUWT.

            Lead by example!

        • ozspeaksup

          As clever and articulate as this young lady is, she didn’t write the script she’s reading from.

          Her point about child mental health and scare stories are well founded but the insight and language used is not that of someone of her tender years.

          If we are to accuse Greta’s parents of child abuse then we should condemn this young ladies parents as well.

          Having said all that, I still think it’s a great and heartfelt plea from a genuinely intelligent young lady.

          • I would not be so sure of that.
            I do not know how old she is, but she appears old enough to read and understand what she is reading, and for some of that material to be complex, nuanced, arcane, and/or highly specialized and detailed information.
            Why would a teenager not know how alarmist propaganda, blared at children day after day for their whole lives, could have a drastic and highly negative impact on the mental health of those children?
            Suicides and drug usage and drug overdose deaths…rates of these are soaring, as are rates of depression. And one might infer from this that there is a great deal of hopelessness manifested in the day to day thoughts and attitudes of such kids.
            I would be surprised if any teenager could be unaware of this.
            Even if she did not know any other kids, she could find out about it the same way many adults have found out about it…reading the news and blogs and other sources of information.
            But my guess is nearly all teens have personal experience with these issues.
            I was 16 in 1977, and by then I knew people who had died from overdoses, from suicide, who were depressed, miserable and hopeless…and that was with far less access to information than young people have today.
            There are plenty of things that young people still have to learn as they grow older, but plenty many of them already know…and some even have the ability to place some perspective on complex issues.

    • @Albert, I agree it does not help the science, but sensible voices from teens are important to the common conception of CAGW. The kids these days are mostly brought up by the Internet’s social media. Most people go along with feelings, rather than dry facts.

      • Carl,
        If all the classroom propaganda is turned on its head by students — everyone wins.

        The Alarmists think children are stupid.

        It’s fantastic the find they are Not!

        They should be invited to post and debate on WUWT!

        • Dr. Rotter,
          I can click on your name here and see your posts.

          Please, for yourself and your amazing commitment to preserving WUWT — change the context of this post to reflect its True meaning!

          We all have been inspired by WUWT for well over a decade.

          In the back of my mind, so, Dr. Mosser was dealing with ClimateGate email in the front room while you were doing cooking and cleaning?

          Inquiring minds need … 😂

          Best Regards,
          John

    • If you think opinions from children do not or can not help anyone, do you also think that someone like Greta cannot and does not hurt anyone?
      I flat out reject this and related notions.
      Of course the opinion of an articulate young person can help someone.
      It is easy to see that hearing someone like this could be incredibly encouraging for another young person who has heard nothing but propaganda and doomsday alarmism from everyone they know and every news source they read.
      I have no idea why anyone could think a strong dose of reality is useless in a world awash in fantasy and senseless propaganda and mindless exaggerations of what are speculative fear mongering ideas to begin with.
      In case you missed it, millions of kids have gotten a whole bunch of free days off from school to parade down the street and chant about the ridiculous crap that Greta spews.
      The antidote for bullshit is straight talk, the cure for panic is careful and rational thought, and the remedy for senseless alarmism is the simple facts and truth.
      Which is exactly what this young lady is communicating in her videos.

      And BTW…notice how she did not even need to leave her home to send her message out to the world.
      If people share this video, as many people could hear her as can hear someone who spends weeks, months and years travelling around the world to stand on a soap box to speak to us.
      If Greta really wanted to have a “carbon neutral” life while getting her message across, she could do it without leaving her house too.

      • “I have no idea why anyone could think a strong dose of reality is useless in a world awash in fantasy and senseless propaganda and mindless exaggerations of what are speculative fear mongering ideas to begin with.”

        WOW

        +100

        You are a Poet!!!

      • Her father is having a lovely time travelling the world at minimal cost. How many ‘normal’ people could stick up their thumbs on a wharf and get a free ride across the Atlantic?

    • “Opinions from children don’t help anyone.”

      Opinions from children are fine. Brainwashing children and using them to put across adult propaganda to scare other children is not fine.

      Whether her speech was written by herself or for her by adults, I don’t know.

    • There’s something unseemly about putting up kids to read scripts, written for them by self-interested adults (on either side of the CAGW issue) for political gain. Kids learn by experience of course but mostly in their formative years they acquire knowledge taught to them by adults.

  2. Wow! Is this girl available to go to the U.N.? Would she be willing to lead millions of the world’s children in anti-doomsday marches?

  3. Well said young lady, lets see if you have as much clout as Greta. They all have their begging bowls out in Madrid, as usual it is down to the money.

  4. Please! Anything but having to listen to this uneducated totalitarian-minded retailer of apocalyptic stories, utterly immune to argument or any evidence which doesn’t play nicely with her fanatical dream!

      • Speaking of Greta, I would love to see Greta-yelling-at-cat memes similar to the woman-yelling-at-cat memes. The latter make me laugh every time.

        Regards,
        Bob

          • I for one did not need a meme.
            When Greta was screaming at us, asking how we dare steal her hopes and dreams, while meanwhile she sails around the world for free, drives cross country around the US hither and yon, while skipping out on entire years of high school…I am sitting there wondering…who the hell is this girl, and how do I get a free sailboat ride and free usage of Arnold’s electric SUV while not having to work for a year and getting the key to every city from Prague to Vancouver?

    • Miha

      I agree, greta is uneducated, In fact she doesn’t go to school, she stated herself that she doesn’t know any science regarding the climate, sorry weather… She is a paid puppet, who is traveling and eating for free on the dime of the u.n., which is your dime 😐 At least laura is speaking calmly and with common sense, she has just started.

  5. A very rational approach from this young lady.
    What is scary is the fact, someone as rational as she obviously is, has been brainwashed into thinking CO2 has a role to play in climate change. She is on the right side of the debate, but still displays the disgraceful received knowledge pumped into her, by an academic system overtaken with mass hysteria and propaganda regarding the role CO2 plays in the climate.
    She is extremely brave putting herself into the public domain. She is a sensible young lady prepared to challenge the “orthodoxy. I hope she goes into science and studies the physics (as best we know it), that drives changes in climate.
    We need more young people to start pushing back against the media fixation with climate scares and lies. Who knows maybe one day the academics might start to do the same?

    • “What is scary is the fact, someone as rational as she obviously is, has been brainwashed into thinking CO2 has a role to play in climate change. ”

      That was a disappointing conclusion of her argument but you can’t blame her when many contributors and posters on this blog have the same misconception of the role of CO2 in our climate systems.

    • ” … Who knows maybe one day the academics might start to do the same?”
      ————–

      This would of course depend on the opinions of the people with the biggest buckets of money.

  6. Schools are already full mental. Such a shame… Each and everyone, save your kids, tell them the truth !

    Monday: Spouse receives call from school to sharply remind that electric scooters are not allowed as transport means for schoolkids. Even street legal ones.

    Consecutively the school janitor was instructed to place an anti-theft chain on my kid’s transportation and we’re invited to come and recover the key from the school administration to remove the offending transportation from the bicycle parking shed.

    Called the cops later that day. Yes, this is an illegal property appropriation case, sure, unless I want to press charges I can simply remove the offending lock, just take pictures and don’t hurt myself in the process. Call back if complications arise. Thanks, roger that.

    Called school to ask their transport pollution reduction policies and state my intentions. High-pitched noise ensued. By the facts, asked to cease and desist the teaching of any green transport topics. The high-pitched noise went volume 11 and an octave higher.

    Departing kids sure cheered when dad and his cordless grinder came to rectify the situation by the late afternoon. No news since.

    • If and when CC is classified as a religion, then you should be granted permission to withdraw your child from participating in the teaching of CC. This goes for most civilized countries.
      Anyway, a very telling story.

    • Naomi Seibt is better than Lauren Jeffrey, but an English speaking version of her would be a plus. Only about 100 million are speaking German.

      • Wait…what?
        She spoke perfect English in the video I just saw.
        Better in fact than some people who only speak English.

      • BTW…you tube can be set to provide closed captions and autotranslating to hundreds of languages.

      • My comment about English was because Naomi made many Youtube clips, but on all those she speak German. She should continue to do so, it is easier for the German speaking audience. My thought was just that we need similar videos for the English audience.
        The smart thing about Naomi is that she is not only making videos about climate change, which again increases her popularity and exposure on Youtube.

    • Very impressive. Her depth of thought far exceeds the intellectual capacity of Greta bots.

      Does she also have handlers? I doubt it.

    • Reply to Carl’s comment (above). I like that more people read this, so ..
      One can express hem/herself much better in the mother language.
      Nordern-America and Australia are the ONLY continents where all people speak the same language. It’s a huge advantage not having to learn (by law), THREE (or 4) languages at high school like we have to in Holland. We learn Dutch, English, German and French (resp. 5 4 3 1 years). So Carl (and America) never demand someone to speak English, please.

  7. Rationalized brainwashing … I could be wrong but I think this young lady is more apt to make people accept catastrophic CC policies than “HAAARGH !! I want YOU to panic ! HOW dare YOU ?!? YEAH ! I can see CO2 !!” Greta.

    Greta next gen ?

  8. Report from Madrid:
    http://enb.iisd.org/climate/cop25/enb/4dec.html

    On Wednesday, delegates at the Chile/Madrid Climate Change Conference looked up from their technical negotiations to take stock of climate action.The technical part of the stocktake on the implementation and ambition of climate action before 2020 launched in the afternoon.

    Parties reviewed the work of the UNFCCC related to mitigation efforts, and supporting enhancing implementation and ambition. Many found the event sobering, with civil society denouncing a “lost decade” of mitigation and climate financing efforts, and some parties noting that the needs of developing countries remain unmet.Appropriately timed, several events drew attention to the role of science.

    The Chilean Presidency hosted science ministers (and their equivalents) from around the world in a virtual meeting to discuss how they can contribute to the development of countries’ climate pledges. [Science Ministers are now scientists?].

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Subsidiary Body for Scientific and Technological Advice (SBSTA) held an event to better understand the IPCC’s Special Report on Climate Change and Land. Opening the event, the UNFCCC Executive Secretary underscored that “the facts are telling us that we are impacting the support systems keeping us alive.”

    Technical negotiations continued, particularly for finance, loss and damage, and Article 6 (market and non-market mechanisms). Article 6 negotiators reviewed new texts in the morning, which some thought looked “promising.” The afternoon negotiations seemingly supported this optimism, as delegates worked constructively to move “forward ever, backward never.”

  9. She needs more exposure, and more scientific facts regarding weather systems and past global weather cycles. She speaks calmly and clearly which is refreshing to watch/listen to.

  10. Whose text is she reading? Where did this video come from? Is she really that familiar with the history and inconsistencies of climate science pronouncements?

    If it’s child abuse in one direction, then what is it in the other?

        • She says she is reading from notes (in the comment section). She may be sitting in front of her PC and reading the notes on the screen. Looks like a web-cam setup.

    • It’s a shame that this “debate” has devolved into using children as messengers. Who initiated this?

      Certainly, we know where the brainwashing is taking place.

      • My impression is she has her own you tube channel and makes her own videos, and is only messaging her own opinions.
        I saw little to criticize, and a good attitude for further education and greater understanding.
        Everyone gets an opinion, and few of us know everything, let alone at a young age.

  11. I am sure the “believers” will say she has been brainwashed by deniers and its just disgraceful child abuse.

  12. I’m so glad to see she’s kept her mind clear and not been overwhelmed by the delusional world she’s grown up in. Well done.

  13. I was hoping for someone more along the lines of Kristen Byrnes. She still is a Believer in “The Science”, which is disappointing.

  14. Ok this young lady may have had help putting this together (or maybe she is very talented?). She is reading off some form of prompter, but she has done an excellent job. I will certainly be passing this on to one or two young people I know of who have been swamped by despair, exactly as this young lady has described it. They need all the news about other kids fighting this stuff.
    It took me days to get across what this kid has succeeded in doing in 8 minutes. The more kids like this, the better.
    It doesn’t matter in the slightest that she professes to have some belief in the (absurd) current trademark climate change creed. EVERY kid has to do this because if they don’t have safety of numbers, eg enough mates who think the same and can put up a fight, or parents who can inflict serious damage on their persecutors, they need to watch for attacks by teachers, peers, social media etc. No room for being specious. These kids are in a war zone.
    It is the same as spoken by Haile Selassie, and recorded by Bob Marley:
    “Until the philosophy
    Which hold one race superior and another
    Inferior
    Is finally
    And permanently
    Discredited
    And abandoned
    Everywhere is war
    Me say war”

    It has moved on.

    • Her comment:

      Lauren Jeffrey 2 hours ago

      @Russell Seitz I am not a “poor child”, and nobody is browbeating me into doing anything. I do this independently, because I wanted to express my feelings about an issue that has made my friends and other young people around me feel anxious and even outright suicidal.
      I make my own notes before I speak so I can get my point across more effectively.
      If that somehow makes me look silly to you, you’re entitled to your opinion, and you’re also free to stop watching and go somewhere else. Have a nice day.

      • Good for her!
        To hell with people who demand perfection and 100% compliance with what they think.
        You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
        Russell could maybe try to explain a few things and skip the browbeating and condescension.
        Kids needs encouragement and positive thinking.
        In fact most people benefit from those.
        When I hear someone vocally rejecting propaganda, I want to help them along, not belittle them.

      • Ok! thanks OK S.! Thanks to you I was able to determine from whence this video emerged!

        Here is Lauren Jeffrey’s most viewed video from a little over 6 years ago:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxJJ8-nzPU

        So, at least we can be pretty sure she’s not a minor. So no “child exploitation” involved.

        (However like 16-year old Greta, she looks provocatively younger than her real age in the video.)

        Here’s what appears to be her first video:

        • Ok… my bad!

          Haste makes waste! Not the same Lauren Jeffrey!

          I’m not in my “right-mind” tonight!

  15. (My) Gut feeling is that Mainstream media will listen/pay very serious attention to Naomi Seibt
    Incredible video to swamp alarmism

  16. You can’t compromise with a fraud! And though she’s sincere, the promotion of a phony ‘middle ground’ does far more harm than good by perpetuating it. The fraud needs to be exposed ruthlessly and entirely and until then we’re all at risk of a nightmare future, as those behind the fraud have pure contempt for most of humanity and are dead serious about depopulation.

    • The longest journey begins with but a single step.
      We did not get where we are in one giant leap, and it seems very unlikely this current mess will be cleaned up in one fell swoop either.
      In order to learn facts, it is the unfortunate reality that many people need to first unlearn a lot of falsehoods.
      While some might have an instant epiphany, and have the scales fall from their yes and reality to present itself suddenly and fully formed and all at once, for many others the journey towards true understanding will be a longer one.
      The most important step is understanding that one has been lied to, that much of what people say and what one may believe to be the case is in fact not so, and so to simply be willing to learn and to become teachable.
      I see in this person a willingness to accept that all is not as people are being taught, and that a skeptical attitude will be required to know and be able to separate nonsense from reality.
      And that is, IMO, a good start.

    • Linda: Refusal to accept anyone who does not agree 100% used to be the job of the CAGW crowd but I see it has moved over to the non-CAGW crowd now. So we are now equal. Be happy.

  17. Poor Greta Thundberg… I suspect that if she could have guessed, instead of coming to Lisbon (to get to Madrid) she would have gone to Seville, Valencia or even an harbour in Galicia… The jokes about her being in Lisbon are running wild in all social media… There were «great expectations» about her impending arrival and then, the ridicule of nothing particularly important hapening, even if mainstream media continue to extoll her prseence… But the idea of possible ridicule is emerging… So much so that most politician now «stay the distance» and want not to risk being seen in her company… One local association – jokingly – proposed to offer her a donkey so that she could travel to Madrid without any ecological «negative impact»… Lots of «Portuguese style» jokes ((difficult to translate) about «how sweet is the life in sunny Lisbon so that Madrid can wait»…

    • Help Wanted:
      Climate Scientist
      -Actual scientists and anyone with a functioning mind need not apply.

  18. Once a person becomes aware of the fact that one third to one half of the population has a head full of fake news and nonsensical propaganda, the journey towards truth and true knowledge is typically quite direct and relentless.
    On may not understand the full depth and breadth of the lies straight from the get-go.
    And that is fine.
    Because although it seems to be disappointingly rare that someone does a full 180° switch in the things they believe to be true, once one does start to make this change from darkness and lies, to the light and the truth, I know of no one who turns and walks back into the darkness again.

    • mwhite

      The hitler video 😂😂😂 Epic!!

      Its absolutely brilliant to see so many people awake to the u.n. Scam, the more people who know the truth the better it will be for our society’s and our future

  19. Kids do pick up vibes. I still remember not being able to sleep during the Cuban missile crisis. I picked it all up from radio and my parents conversation. Next day the whole school was tense. I was 12 . This was as about as far away as one can get: New Zealand.

    Teachers need to be told.

    M

  20. It would be better if the “anti-Greta” had a name. She does seem to be far more intelligent and articulate than Greta, and does cite some previous predictions (likely made before she was born) which were not realized to back up her reasoning that the current scaremongering is unjustified, meaning that she has read some history.

    Young people, due to their inexperience, can be easily manipulated into thinking they have discovered something that no one else noticed, despite thousands of years of human history. The “anti-Greta” has been taught to draw on the experience of older people and to think for herself. Her parents deserve a lot of credit.

    • No, but maybe it will be exonerated if progressive socialists are kept from achieving global power.

  21. How many carbon credits has Greta and family been able to charge to ther peoples accounts?
    That should be fodder for muckrakers, no?

  22. How many carbon credits has Greta and family been able to charge to other peoples accounts?
    That should be fodder for muckrakers, no?

  23. What controls the climate?

    Who here thinks CO2 is the control knob?

    Who here thinks CO2 has a position on the control knob?

    Who here thinks CO2 is not even on the control knob?

    Are you ready to put up or are you going to shut up?

  24. I grew up when the threat of nuclear war was very real. Neither I, nor any of my contemporaries, thought we might die, even though there was abundant evidence that that was possible. The threat passed, and the world went on. Rinse and repeat.

  25. Some brainwashing has already taken place as the comments on CO2 were and will always be false. CO2 is plant food and I can’t say enough a staple of life on this planet, without it we die. New BS this morning all over every search engine the oxygen is leaving the oceans and we are all going to die but this time fish first. Just find the whole thing sad and funny and in the end just stupid, please give us a break from the madness but alas it will not take place until utopia has been established and I am in my all gray outfit. Happy Holidays everyone

  26. I agree with everything she says! I think the most effective response is: adaptation is way cheaper than mitigation. Even if everything the warmunists have been saying is correct (and we know it’s not), all the changes (if any) are changing so slowly that everyone will be able to get out of the way. Climate change will not happen rapidly enough to outrun anybody, and that includes the feeble, lame, infirm and even outright invalid. So everyone (especially governments) save your money and wait and see. If something does happen (and I doubt that it will) you’ll have the money to respond properly. And if nothing happens you’ll have some extra money, spend it however you like! (You can thank me later.)

  27. Well, i think that we have to do something for the planet but now it’s only about money, in Antwerp you may not enter in the town when you have an old car, but if you pay 60 euro the same car becomes clean. Now in Madrid 25000 people are there to talk about the climate, have they all come by feat? And at the other side of the word, are they doing anything. For the moment it’s only Europe because they needed the most money . I am 69 years old and I haven’t seen o lot of different between 60 years ago and now.I support your meaning.

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