Claim: Delaying Climate Action Could Threaten Democracy

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to University of Copenhagen professor Ole Wæver, if we don’t act soon the UN Security Council might have to take over and dictate climate policy to member states, just as the EU took control of Greece.

Could climate change become a security issue — and threaten democracy?

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Action to address climate change has been left so late that any political response will likely become an international security issue — and could threaten democracy

That’s the view of Ole Wæver, a prominent international relations professor at the University of Copenhagen, who also says climate inaction could lead to armed conflict.

When decision-makers — after delaying for so long — suddenly try to find a shortcut to realistic action, climate change is likely to “be securitised”.

Professor Wæver, who first coined the term “securitisation”, says more abrupt change could potentially threaten democracy.

The United Nations Security Council could, in principle, tomorrow decide that climate change is a threat to international peace and security,” he says.

“And then it’s within their competencies to decide ‘and you are doing this, you are doing this, you are doing this, this is how we deal with it’.”

“If there was something that was decided internationally by some more centralised procedure and every country was told ‘this is your emission target, it’s not negotiable, we can actually take military measures if you don’t fulfil it, then you would basically have to get that down the throat of your population, whether they like it or not,” he says.

“A bit like what we saw in southern Europe with countries like Greece and the debt crisis and so on.

“There were decisions that were made for them and then they just had to have a more or less technocratic government and get it through.”

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-03/climate-change-international-security-risk/11714284

Be good children, and follow the instructions of the climate professors, otherwise the United Nations is going to take your freedom away.

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nw sage
December 3, 2019 6:28 pm

Just say NO! ?

Reply to  nw sage
December 3, 2019 7:48 pm

We do not let the UN have it’s own independently funded military for the exact reason that it thus cannot rule the world with it’s own might. The author is in the mind that the UN is a world government, which is thankfully is not.

Bryan A
Reply to  Charles Higley
December 3, 2019 8:57 pm

Climate Change will not spell the end of Democracy, but U.N. proposed Climate Action most certainly will

commieBob
Reply to  Charles Higley
December 4, 2019 12:40 am

The UN is gutless. It has failed to take action to prevent genocide. Bosnia and Rwanda come to mind. The idea that the UN will take military action to enforce CAGW orthodoxy is risible.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  commieBob
December 4, 2019 5:08 am

yeah mate
but,,
theres MONEY and power in enforcing the warmist agenda
there wasnt any in bosnia etc

Gerry, England
Reply to  commieBob
December 4, 2019 5:41 am

Especially true as the UN has to borrow its soldiers from the member nations. And is he really suggesting that the borrowed troops will actually turn their weapons on the public?

Darrin
Reply to  Gerry, England
December 4, 2019 7:59 am

Put the UN in charge or world government, drop Chinese/Russian troops on US soil and tell them to enforce UN rule at the point of a gun. Do you think those soldiers would use force against the citizens when ordered to do so? They wouldn’t be so stupid as to ask local soldiers to enforce locally. They’ll haul in soldiers from other countries, most likely a country that has traditionally stood against they country they are enforcing in.

KcTaz
Reply to  Gerry, England
December 5, 2019 3:40 pm

I am sure Cuba and China would be more than happy to invade the US. I am also more than sure they would regret it. It could start a lovely Civil War, though, with the stupid Alarmists on their side and I doubt that would be good for the climate, not to mention a nuclear war.
These people are frightening and stupid which is a lousy combination.
I rather think they are desperate to get and iron-clad grip on the world before we all start freezing from the Grand Solar Minimum and their con game is toast.

Roger Knights
Reply to  nw sage
December 4, 2019 2:37 pm

Rusia recently said NYET. (It revoked CO2 monitoring measures after business objected.)

December 3, 2019 6:29 pm

This is a maniacal proposal. There are many agreements negotiated under UN auspices, but they are done by agreement of the member states. The one I am most familiar with, the International Maritime Organization, received proposals from member states, which are then discussed at the specialist committees, and most likely are sent out again to the member states with the comments and updated proposals. Only where there is general agreement are changes made to the International Conventions on Safety of Life at Sea, or on Marine Pollution (SOLAS and MARPOL).

I do not think that there is anything in the UN Charter that could support such a policy and certainly, even should the General Assembly pass one, it would be vetoed by at least four if not five members of the security Council.

John McClure
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
December 4, 2019 7:09 am

Exactly!

The Professor is blowing smoke.

KcTaz
Reply to  John McClure
December 5, 2019 3:27 pm

The Danes did not fight Hitler but they are going to support military action against their neighbors and the US and China and India et al?

Of course, they might be thinking of enlisting the help of China since they’ve been so wonderful at curbing CO2 emissions not to mention real pollutants. Hahahaha.
China does do that military and dictatorship thing well, though. Perhaps, the dear Professor is banking on them?
It’s nice these goons keep showing their true colors.

KcTaz
Reply to  John McClure
December 5, 2019 3:34 pm

“That’s the view of Ole Wæver, a prominent international relations professor at the University of Copenhagen, who also says climate inaction could lead to armed conflict.”

I do think the dear Professor needs to have his credentials stripped from him if this is his idiotic idea of how international relations should work.
What are they smoking in Denmark?

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  John McClure
December 9, 2019 10:30 pm

KcTaz December 5, 2019 at 3:34 pm

“That’s the view of Ole Wæver, a prominent international relations professor at the University of Copenhagen, who also says climate inaction could lead to armed conflict.”

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RCA
December 3, 2019 6:33 pm

this would explain the incessant organized clamor for disarming the population here in the US.

Robert Austin
December 3, 2019 6:36 pm

Ernest Stavro Blofeld, aka Ole Waever, wants to subjugate us for our own good. At least Americans have their second amendment as protection against malevolent megalomaniacs and mad dictators.

Pat Frank
December 3, 2019 6:42 pm

we can actually take military measures if you don’t fulfil it

The UN exerting military pressure on the US?

That’s got to be the most idiotic idea, ever.

LdB
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 3, 2019 11:38 pm

Even then you still have to get the other 10 permanent security members to go along, remember even 1 vote is a veto. So what is the other part of the plan replace Xi and Putin with puppets?

Chance of this trash ever happening 0.00%

Sheri
Reply to  LdB
December 4, 2019 4:28 am

Chance of Xi taking over under the climate change lie are pretty good however. He can claim he’s protecting his people while breaking all the rules. It works very well for everything else. Plus, the Chinese are building all over the world, hold a huge amount of the production of goods as their economy booms. Climate change is a great excuse to annihilate the enemy. After all, they signed on to agreements and ignored the agreement completely. No one blinked. That would indicate stupidity will be in their favor on this.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Sheri
December 4, 2019 5:37 am

This. 👍🏼

Soldier Lank
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 3, 2019 7:17 pm

WWIII?… the climate war.
I suspect this will be Europe vs China as the latter will not stop burning oil, coal and gas. It will be very one-sided as the European armed forces will have armored vehicles plated with solar panels and an air force dominated by gliders.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 4, 2019 12:39 am

“Pat Frank December 3, 2019 at 6:42 pm

The UN exerting military pressure on the US?”

Crazy! Think NATO too, who is the biggest military contributor to NATO (OTAN in Belgium)? How many predominantly US maned bases on, or close to, the border of Russia in eastern Europe?

AngryScotonFraggleRock
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 4, 2019 1:16 am

Actually I thought OTAN was a sop to France, historically only a political member of NATO, thank goodness. Why we allowed it to be painted on our kit I will never know. Belgium was, and is, only a very minor partner and most speak a bastardisation of Dutch (talk about a split personality). Although it could have been a sop to the pseudo-French, in Canada 😂

Patrick MJD
Reply to  AngryScotonFraggleRock
December 4, 2019 2:17 am

“AngryScotonFraggleRock December 4, 2019 at 1:16 am

Belgium was, and is, only a very minor partner and most speak a bastardisation of Dutch (talk about a split personality).

That would be Flemish.

Reply to  Pat Frank
December 4, 2019 8:17 am

A good war does wonders for climate.

DocSiders
Reply to  Pat Frank
December 4, 2019 9:09 am

Did I miss Ole’s threat to force China, by any means, to curb their rapidly growing CO2 emissions?

Reports of Chinese decreasing emissions are typical leftist lying propagands…which Mike Bloomberg has been parroting.

John the Econ
December 3, 2019 6:47 pm

“Vote for fascism or else we’ll have to impose fascism.”

Scissor
Reply to  John the Econ
December 3, 2019 7:04 pm

Great choice, but do we get free tampons?

MarkW
Reply to  Scissor
December 3, 2019 7:28 pm

Only the men

Richmond
Reply to  MarkW
December 3, 2019 8:15 pm

“A” – Men to that. (I almost had “stuff” shooting out of my nose at your comment.)

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Scissor
December 4, 2019 12:04 am

You seriously need some help.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Scissor
December 4, 2019 3:30 am

Men to the rescue? Who knew?

“Ma’am, you look a bit distraught; may I offer you one of these?”

Oh yes, that sounds convincing!

ATheoK
Reply to  Scissor
December 4, 2019 7:29 am

“RockyRoad December 4, 2019 at 3:30 am
Men to the rescue? Who knew?
“Ma’am, you look a bit distraught; may I offer you one of these?”
Oh yes, that sounds convincing””

Twice during my career as a mailman, companies sent free samples to every address in our town.
1) Was a new variation of a tampon.
2) Was a small box of sanitary pads.

I delivered the tampon samples to apartments and one apartment building filled with retirees, I had old ladies chasing me down corridors, persistently trying to give the tampons back to me. “Give them to your girlfriend” they said.
Oh yes, the Post Office loves employees taking home free samples…

And mailmen love carrying undelivered trash back to the post office… It looks so absurd and unwork like to supervisors and the postmaster. They’ll just have me put it back in the case for delivery the next day, again.
Some of the old men physically threw the samples back at me. I won’t mention what they said.

At least my route for delivering the sanitary pad samples were street deliveries. I was long gone by the time the people opened their “free” samples. Though a few did drive by and try to get me to come to their car and take back the samples… Nothing doing! Bulk rate mail is paid only for delivery, not returns.

markl
December 3, 2019 6:54 pm

Just another manifestation of One World Order.

Paul S
December 3, 2019 6:55 pm

Au Contraie, if we support climate change, then the implementation will destroy democracy. (as planned)

Eric Von Salzen
December 3, 2019 6:58 pm

The UN is going to send military forces into the US to make us stop carbon emissions? They better not try that in deer season.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Eric Von Salzen
December 3, 2019 10:55 pm

In deer season or out, those blue helmets make good targets. I wonder who they think is going to finance that insanity.

December 3, 2019 6:58 pm

Ole Wæver really can’t be very intelligent if believes all that.
The UN and its Army?
The Security Council where every permanent member has veto power?
This whole climate change scam is bringing out pathological levels of stupid in academia.

Robert Clark
December 3, 2019 7:00 pm

The United Nations is a terrorist organization, trying to bully.

Right-Handed Shark
December 3, 2019 7:08 pm

OK, who knows where we can get a group discount on yellow vests?

Tom Abbott
December 3, 2019 7:08 pm

From the article: “According to University of Copenhagen professor Ole Wæver, if we don’t act soon the UN Security Council might have to take over and dictate climate policy to member states, just as the EU took control of Greece.”

Who is this “we”?

The United States, Russia and China can veto any UN resolution so don’t expect any concerted action by the UN, especially considering there is no indication that anything drastic has to be done about CO2 production. That’s all speculation. The professor is ready to go to war over pure speculation. How delusional is this guy?

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 4, 2019 1:36 am

After Second World War Denmark rebranded the war ministerial to the defense ministerial. It was to emphasize that Denmark would not be an aggressor, just defend it’s own territory. Wæver and his climate totalitarians does not seem to agree.
Why is it that radical academics have degenerated into so dangerously desperate behavior and inhumane world views? – Salon Communism?

Sheri
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 4, 2019 4:34 am

Academics have always tended toward radical. Now, with the idiotic “self-esteem” crap out there, academics are gods in their own minds. Unfortunately, right now, there are still those who disagree with this assessment and are a threat.

As for “inhumane world views”, if you were out to rule the world literally, wouldn’t you teach stupid children whose stupid parents spend thousands to have them indoctrinated that humans are worthless and a blight? If the students learn to hate themselves, then others, the work of ruling the world is far simplified. People just watch the destruction. It’s actually a very, very good plan. Ask why the parents pay to destroy their kids’ futures. That’s the real question here.

Megs
December 3, 2019 7:11 pm

This article was put out by Australia’s National Broadcaster, the ABC. This is just one many outrageous stories that they spew forth on a daily basis. Their journalists are all far left and they constantly promote the CC agenda. If anyone with conflicting views somehow manages to get onto a show with political content they are constantly berated and cut short.

They are nothing more than a propaganda machine and our taxes pay for them.

Google ACB Australia news items, it will give you an idea of what Australians are up against.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Megs
December 4, 2019 5:17 am

getting worse by the day isnt it?
theyre so “pro democrat” when reporting usa news
pro bremain as well
fullon syncophants for any climate lgbtqwhatsit tripe and the huge rise in aboriginal rights, land claims and similar has my blood boiling
pro immigration and the present crud over the illegals detained etc
damned if Id be paying what we do to keep on manus etc
return em to the last port, and thats ditto for the air arrivals also.
we really only get about 1/3 of anything they produce and then endless repeats and canadin cbc and uk bbc filers all carefully selected of course.
the weird thing is their reliance on fkbook and twitter as well as the apple itunes etc
commentsing on the homepages is damned near impossible and heavily censored

Megs
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 4, 2019 1:53 pm

Yes OZ, “Our ABC” Except that most of us don’t want it!

Clarky of Oz
December 3, 2019 7:20 pm

The UN and whose army?

Major Lank
Reply to  Clarky of Oz
December 3, 2019 8:33 pm

WWIII – the climate war!
UN tanks will be shielded by solar panels and aircraft will all be gliders. It will be over when the sun sets and the wind stops blowing.

John in NZ
Reply to  Clarky of Oz
December 3, 2019 9:24 pm

The UN will ask the US to provide troops.

MarkW
December 3, 2019 7:26 pm

We have to destroy Democracy in order to save Socialism.

Chris Hanley
December 3, 2019 7:27 pm

The technocracy declaring war on the people who support it financially, what could possibly go wrong⸮

Art
December 3, 2019 7:36 pm

Claim: Delaying Climate Action Could Threaten Democracy

Fact: Claim: Climate Action Will Threaten Democracy

Art
Reply to  Art
December 3, 2019 8:03 pm

Damn. Can’t edit. It was supposed to read as follows:

Claim: Delaying Climate Action Could Threaten Democracy

Fact: Climate Action WILL Threaten Democracy

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Art
December 4, 2019 9:50 am

I’d modify that to be a bit more factual:

Fact: Climate Action WILL destroy Democracy

The laughable inference of Ole Weaver’s diatribe seems to be “You only get to keep your democracy if you do what unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats TELL you to.”

Peter Fraser
December 3, 2019 7:40 pm

The sooner Trump cuts the U.N. budget the better. Without US funding the U.N. would be struggling to survive. The hysteria and stupidity coming out of this conference knows no bounds

MarkG
December 3, 2019 7:41 pm

“Vote to destroy your country, or we’ll destroy it anyway!”

Editor
December 3, 2019 7:51 pm

The largest CO2 emitter, and the country with the highest rate of increase in CO2 emissions, is China. Just start with them, and there is no threat to democracy.

Hasbeen
December 3, 2019 7:53 pm

The thing threatening democracy is not climate, but the UN trying to take over world government

David S
December 3, 2019 8:00 pm

Could, may, might, predicted; all hedge words as useful as an astrology chart descriptions or pulling tarot cards.

Richard
December 3, 2019 8:24 pm

Instituting the proposed solutions to ‘global warming’ would eliminate democracy completely. But then, that’s the point.

December 3, 2019 8:55 pm

Lat year they told us that climate change would threaten democracy. Now they say they have to take away democracy to fix climate change.

Anyone else getting the feeling that the real goal is simply to get rid of democracy?

Lancifer
December 3, 2019 9:04 pm

Professor Ole Waever is delusional, the UN has no such powers or a military to enforce them even if it did. The UN “peace keepers” are only deployed when the UN Security Council authorizes a force be assembled from the militaries of member states.

And does he imagine that a UN force could go toe to toe with the US military?

I may paint some old army helmets blue and put them out on my target range to practice head shots with my AR-15 just for kicks.

Clarky of Oz
Reply to  Lancifer
December 3, 2019 9:26 pm

They have a navy providing Admiral Greta can borrow a yacht .
They have a one Mann army armed to the teeth with a rather sorry looking hockey stick.
No Air Force however.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Clarky of Oz
December 4, 2019 3:05 am

But they do have an “Air Farce”

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Lancifer
December 3, 2019 11:13 pm

Just FYI, if the AR-15 gets banned for being a scary “assault weapon,” the Ruger Mini-14 is a pretty good stand-in. It looks a lot like the M-1 Garand, and fires .223 and 5.56mm ammunition.

Lancifer
Reply to  James Schrumpf
December 4, 2019 6:42 pm

The Mini-14 is on my wish list. Great weapon and below the radar of anti-gun freaks.

LdB
Reply to  Lancifer
December 3, 2019 11:32 pm

Oh yeah I think we are all terrified that the UN is going to take us over 🙂

I had to check the link thinking it was a joke because surely no-one above the age of 12 is that stupid they would actually believe that.

John Robertson
December 3, 2019 9:15 pm

Ahh the UN ,Useless Nutjobs, where the parasites demand the host provide more.
That building on the East River could go a long way to providing a home for the homeless of New York City.
Maybe the UN can get North Korea to advise them on World Domination?

PCMan999
December 3, 2019 9:39 pm

Dillusional is right, especially from a professor of international relations – if the US couldn’t get a free pass at eliminating a homicidal maniac like Sadam, or has to justify having a proper border defense, how in the world does this expert justify military action in an attempt to control the weather? These ecofascists are sounding evermore shrill and scary, as though they are trying to justify the coming coup….

Reply to  PCMan999
December 4, 2019 8:26 am

Even professors of international relations can have dreams. Why don’t we look around and see what they have already achieved?

gringojay
December 3, 2019 9:58 pm

Professor thinks ” … get that down the throat …” could be possible. Must be confused about real world people based on seeing an increase in the number of university students with man-buns.

Rob Leviston
December 3, 2019 10:00 pm

Delaying any action on ‘climate Change’ will certainly save Democracy!

Dennis Stayer
December 3, 2019 10:00 pm

The fact is that just saying no to democracy is their goal, they view us with contempt, for they see themselves as so far superior to us.

Larry in Texas
December 3, 2019 10:01 pm

According to my translator, “delusional” in Danish means “Vrangforestillinger.” No one ever said Danish was a language of brevity, but that is what Professor Ole is. Vrangforestillinger. No better description for him.

By the way, the day the UN Security Council even tried something stupid like that, notwithstanding our veto power, my hope is that we would be sending more than a few cruise missiles the way of the UN building in New York, as a way of sending a message that we don’t want you, the UN, in our country anymore.

December 3, 2019 10:51 pm

Joseph Stalin once asked, “”How many guns has the Pope got”?

True in the long run the USSR collapsed, but it was doomed by its managerial ways, not force.

The UN is a body which has always been about World Government, theirs of course, its dominated by the so called Third World countries, and will suffer the same fate that the old League of Nations. suffered.

Democracy with all of its numerous faults and problems is still a lot better than Communism.

MJE VK5ELL

Andy Mansell
December 3, 2019 10:57 pm

Is this the same UN that couldn’t even agree on military action to take out deranged dictators? The one that spent over a decade telling Iraq that this was their final warning, that we are REALLY angry now, and we are going to have another meeting RIGHT NOW to discuss it? That one?

LdB
Reply to  Andy Mansell
December 3, 2019 11:40 pm

Yes and even if you get some Dem idiot as President apparently Putin and Xi are just going to roll over and not veto it … well that is what a true green believer thinks 🙂

michael hart
December 3, 2019 11:04 pm

What a dreamer. He’s living in cloud cuckoo land. Even if the US went along with his ideas after Trump leaves office, the US would still have to have elected a batshit crazy President and Congress.

Then there’s other (permanent) members of the Security Council: Russia and China will never agree to anything significant in order to ‘fix’ climate.

Flight Level
December 3, 2019 11:11 pm

Please don’t take UN lightheartedly. They have weapons, transporters, tanks, choppers.

And often wet-lease airliners to move troops around.

Money, and climateers claim trainloads of it, can buy anything.

A common coffee-time talk is the military option to enforce whatever climate madness du jour. Which could somehow upset Russia. Then ? Is there any “then” ?

LdB
Reply to  Flight Level
December 3, 2019 11:49 pm

The UN has a cash crisis and run out of money 🙂
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/09/un-facing-cash-crisis-warns-staff-could-go-unpaid-in-november.html

How does one pay for an army and do anything without money?

When Trump was pressed about it his answer was blunt “So make all Member Countries pay, not just the United States!”

Petit_Barde
December 3, 2019 11:12 pm

Seems the climate clowns’ next gen is already here.

I hope this psychopathic buffoon will show his talents at the COP25 gigantic clown show, he deserves it :
– May I suggest him to wear a sort of black toilet bowl on his head, as Darth Vader in Spaceballs ?

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Petit_Barde
December 4, 2019 4:02 am

You mean “Dark Helmet”

Patrick MJD
December 4, 2019 12:13 am

That should read climate action threatens democracy. We all know this is true.

December 4, 2019 12:46 am

It is the climate cult itself that threatens democracy

https://cliscep.com/2019/07/21/mark-maslins-plans-to-fix-democracy/

December 4, 2019 12:47 am

Applying the usual mirror to this we may conclude that Climate Action™ is a threat to democracy.

Michael Ozanne
December 4, 2019 12:49 am

“we can actually take military measures if you don’t fulfil it‘,”

The UN has no military capacity it has to ask member states to supply them. I don’t see many agreeing to supply the means of their own enslavement.

Rhys Jaggar
December 4, 2019 12:55 am

One tends to muse that the US would simply pull its UN funding if they tried that sort of stunt.

The UN is in receipt of grants, it has no fundraising powers.

You would have thought Professors were insufficiently thick to realise that.

KilgoreHoover
December 4, 2019 1:41 am

Hey, it could happen. Or, Trump could issue an ultimatum to UN members – You’ve got 48 hours to vacate the UN building. We’ve decided to repurpose the building and convert the rooms to low-cost housing for the poor. Have your world domination planning parties elsewhere. CYA!

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 4, 2019 1:46 am

Just be something in the water there in Denmark.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 4, 2019 2:47 am

Something is rotten…?

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
December 4, 2019 1:51 am

So if the looney professors and liberal left don’t get their way it is democracy that is threatened and resort to coercion is justified. Well we’ve never heard that before have we?

Exactly the same arguments were being made last night on BBC Newsnight by Jane Fonda who is much more barking mad than even the warnings I’d heard. In the course of a hissy fit of hysterical rambling she claimed 100 million people would die very soon, either in ten, eleven, forty years (it kept changing), the oil companies knew back in the 70s they were going to kill the planet, etc etc.

Even the BBC presenter eventually baulked at all the nonsense and timidly asked where in the IPCC report all these deaths were predicted. It merely set off another hissy fit. I think we should encourage La Fonda – this kind of stupidity is actually making the sceptic case.

Fanakapan
December 4, 2019 1:55 am

Prof Ole, judging by his department, should have a greater knowledge of history ?

From my memory of history there was a thing called the League of Nations that preceded the UN ? Just like the UN it was mostly a talking shop, and a place where leaders of nations not in the first rank were able to grandstand thus invoking the sympathy of nice middle class folk. Trouble was, when the League attempted to flex its muscles in the way that this Ole guy suggests the UN should, a few fairly important members walked away. From there on in it was pretty much game over for the League.

We were told in 45 that the League of Nations was never really any good simply because the USA did not become a part of it. So its remarkable also that Ole does not seem to have noticed that when it comes to CC and the UN, the USA is now not part of that either. Maybe the Board of Regents at his school could arrange some sort of re test for the Prof, just to ensure that he is informed enough to actually be able to teach International Relations 🙂

Hivemind
December 4, 2019 2:13 am

Any “security” action by the UN would need to be approved by the UN Security Council, but the five “big” allies after WW II have veto powers (USA, England, France, Russia & China). Not one of them would allow the UN to do something crazy like this, because they all know that it would immediately be turned on them.

This guy is supposed to be an expert in international relations, and he doesn’t know this?

mothcatcher
December 4, 2019 2:34 am

You all seem very relaxed about this, methinks. While military action against USA is probably a far-fetched idea, the more subtle and more dangerous threat implied by this kind of thinking is very real, and not that far away. Consider a Trumpless America, one or maybe four years from now. Consider a US President Bernie, or Elizabeth, or Kamala (or half a dozen others)… this is not at all fanciful. USA would be on board and would act in concert with UN to surpress, militarily if necessary (but probably not necessary), any smaller states that step out of line. China and Russia would acquiesce, secure in their continuing pollution and military strength, knowing they’d not be the targets, and seeing advantage in it all for themselves. Votes in the Security Council? Maybe not even necessary. There are plenty of ways to take action without that – after all, it’s an emergency.

The alarmists control the governments of nearly all the free world, nearly all the media, nearly all the civil institutions, all the NGOs, and virtually all the educational establishments. The UK government- right of centre- for instance, recently passed the ‘Climate Emergency’ declaration without a vote, nor any objection at all. Whereas the people of the free world MIGHT eventually turn against their rulers, they might not wake up quickly enough under these circumstances to forestall the final coup. It’s a little way off, but not the remote prospect commenters here seem to believe.

There is a madness afoot, and it is everywhere. Rational debate may take a very long time to return, and may never do so if temperatures continue to rise even slightly. Sorry to be a pessimist – but the other side is not reading this blog, nor any sceptical or even moderate-warmist organ. Not sure we can stop them.

Gerald the Mole
December 4, 2019 3:35 am

We should shut down the UN. When needed we should go back to the 19th centuary practice of having a Congress between the interested parties. Not perfect but far better than the present set up.

December 4, 2019 3:52 am

Claim: Delaying Climate Action Could Threaten Democracy

The hypocrisy of this statement could not be purer or sweeter. That brown-shirted foot-soldiers of the ecofascist global coup for the one world totalitarian government under the pretext of a bogus climate crisis, talk about a threat to democracy. It’s like foxes going all tearful over a threat to hens. “Just leave us in charge of the chicken coop.” What could possibly go wrong?

December 4, 2019 3:57 am

this is your emission target, it’s not negotiable, we can actually take military measures if you don’t fulfil it

Bring it on.
Ecofascism was only ever going to end one way, once again it will lead to a catastrophic war. That’s what’s coming folks.

There is only one way to deal with fascism and it’s not pretty, but necessary.

Like all European fascist movements it will end in a graveyard in Russia. Fascist fare poorly there.

DocSiders
December 4, 2019 4:20 am

The EU only ever *pretended* to be democratic. There are EU parliament members…but with no actual means of affecting policy on most issues.

The EU’s creeping Authoritarianism is more worrisome than Russia’s largely ineffective reach (outside of its energy-supply extortion racket – which has no trans-Atlantic “reach”).

The EU is not a dependable ally. Only England has abided by its treaty obligations…but lately, even they have been “going off the deep end” of leftism.

Abolition Man
December 4, 2019 5:28 am

How apropos that NATO is headquartered in Belgium; these Green Blobsters are racist colonialists, just like the unlamented King Leopold of Belgium. The UN, the World Bank and the European Union seem intent on restoring the colonial system so popular in the 18th and 19th Centuries. They get to decide who is healthy, wealthy and wise; you’re Chinese, you get all the coal you want. You’re Indian, you get coal and hydro, too. You’re African; you get NOTHING! Maybe we’ll throw in a little solar so you can see how your European masters want to live, but YOU need to be kept in poverty for the sake of our poor befuddled children!

I wish I could get St. Greta and her acolytes to switch places with the hungry masses in Africa who are yearning to breath free; the Greenies could revel in the Utopian dream of the zero-carbon religion and the newly enriched Africans could raise their families in the liberty and prosperity that only fossil fuels have given Man. I personally don’t do social media but I would love to see young, black conservatives on Twitter and YouTube apprised of the wide racist streak in the watermelons of the climate hoax. Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO), Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) and David Harris, Jr. are just a few of those who might be interested in throwing the reality of modern day racism and colonialism into the face of the Left!

Coach Springer
December 4, 2019 6:50 am

Every climate action is a threat to democracy.

Bill Powers
December 4, 2019 7:15 am

Man Made Global Warming is a pox on all our houses and if we don’t turn them over for government control then they will huff and puff and blow those houses down.

You have little to fear from climate change but beware that Man Made government.

beng135
December 4, 2019 7:32 am

They almost got it right:
Delaying Climate Action Could Threaten Democracy

Fixed.

whiten
Reply to  beng135
December 4, 2019 12:35 pm

And the UN Security Council, can make that “fix” proper real and permanent… 🙂
By also moving the “Could” to “Does” and expand it beyond “Democracy” to the
“Humanity at Large” too.
(if it comes to it)

cheers

ATheoK
December 4, 2019 7:43 am

“If there was something that was decided internationally by some more centralised procedure and every country was told ‘this is your emission target, it’s not negotiable, we can actually take military measures if you don’t fulfil it‘, then you would basically have to get that down the throat of your population, whether they like it or not,” he says.”

You, and what army, RN By Farz Edraki and Ann Arnold?

You think the Gilets Jaunes or the farmers in the Netherlands are fringe groups, Farz and Ann?
Send any militarized force to enforce your silly religion and false prophecies and you officially escalate minor protests into armed conflicts.

Such despotic actions are more likely to be fought by the world’s major militaries than to support UN tyranny.
Neither China nor Russia want any part of a UN tyrannical green theocracy and I doubt most of the Western Civilizations are just as opposed.

Fractious threats by unknown militaries against the world’s residents as alleged by Farz Edraki and Ann Arnold is specious bloviating.

December 4, 2019 8:55 am

At this very moment climate action is already damaging democracy because a small group is forcing their destructive ideas on the silent majority.

Paul Penrose
December 4, 2019 10:26 am

Good luck trying to subjugate the US militarily. Even most of the idiots that reflexively vote the Democrat ticket would stand up to defend this country against such an attempt.

James Schrumpf
December 4, 2019 11:43 am

Even Robert A. Heinlein’s “Crazy Years” weren’t this crazy.

john harmsworth
December 4, 2019 2:02 pm

Pretty much the stupidest thing I ever heard. Something has to be done about Western universities. They have become the places common sense goes to die!

Rudolf Huber
December 4, 2019 2:30 pm

Greece did not have much of a choice. It was broke and its military is no match for the bigger countries. So it could not force the world to put more money into it other than by behaving. In a way at least. I am curious how those same professors would shove that down the US if Trump gets reelected and tell them to go pick some mushrooms instead. Maybe they find some magic ones. But it’s very revealing as for their real intentions.

observa
Reply to  Rudolf Huber
December 5, 2019 5:33 am

Give us your Euros or we’ll print drachma and cut off your Kalamata olive supply. Like the UN taxeaters going on strike until they get troops to do their bidding.

V for Vendetta
December 5, 2019 6:23 am

Which democracy? Were do people have something to say?
According to a Princeton study, the top 1% (The Super Class by David Rothkopf) have more to say then the 99%.
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

KcTaz
December 5, 2019 3:20 pm

“If there was something that was decided internationally by some more centralised procedure and every country was told ‘this is your emission target, it’s not negotiable, we can actually take military measures if you don’t fulfil it‘, then you would basically have to get that down the throat of your population, whether they like it or not,” he says….”

This is hilarious. I am sure every nation is quaking in their boots at the thought of an invasion by the EU military. Well, the children might be since their “Army” is good at raping them and the EU appears to be good at setting up pedophile rings but other nation’s military? Not so much.

As long as we don’t have a Democrat in the White House and, even with one, we still have our Second Amendment, I say, Molon Labe!

SocietalNorm
December 7, 2019 3:42 pm

We’ve got to end democracy in order to save it.

Johann Wundersamer
December 9, 2019 9:52 pm

Climate conference: Greta Thunberg and Luisa Neubauer focus on emotional narratives

© AFP/Cristina Quicler

Updated on 09.12.2019, 15:35

The United Nations Climate Change Conference is currently the place to raise its voice in the fight for the global climate. The champions of the game Greta Thunberg and Luisa Neubauer let the affected combatants tell their stories.

Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg and her German combatant Luisa Neubauer are two prominent faces in the fight to save the global climate. For those who are less in the spotlight, the two set a stage at the UN climate summit in Madrid.

© AFP/Cristina Quicler

How climate change already affects people today

“The climate crisis will not only hit us in the future, it already affects countless people who are already suffering and dying”, Neubauer introduced contributions from various parts of the world.

Nakabuye Hilda Flavia feels abandoned

Nakabuye Hilda Flavia from Uganda criticized, despite the ever clearer effects of global warming in the rich industrialized countries “little or no action” to recognize. With that they abandoned Africa and other poor regions of the world.

Their continent causes almost no greenhouse gas emissions, “but we suffer the most,” said the African activist.

Kisha Erah Muaña demands to use every second

Kisha Erah Muaña, of the Philippines State, emphasized that she lives in one of the “most vulnerable regions of the world”. In view of the threat posed by rising sea levels to huge coastal areas, climate policy requires “every minute to act”.

Rose Whipple is fighting an oil pipeline in the US

Native American Rose Whipple told of her fight against an oil pipeline on the Mississippi and called for a fundamental rethinking: “It is time for us to reconnect with Mother Earth.” Because, as one activist from Chile summarizes: “Our lives are not negotiable!”

Arkak Makichyan went to jail for the climate: “I’m not afraid”

Russian activist Arshak Makichyan reported that he had been imprisoned for several days for his climate protests in his homeland.

But that does not stop him from calling attention to global warming. “I’m not afraid of being arrested, I’m afraid I’m not doing enough.” (HAU / dpa / AFP)

Greta Thunberg with a sobering conclusion in Madrid

The 16-year-old hopes that the 25th World Climate Change Conference will produce something concrete. Because so far still nothing has changed, so the Swede.

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https://www.gmx.at/magazine/politik/klimakonferenz-greta-thunberg-luisa-neubauer-emotionale-erzaehlungen-34252898

Johann Wundersamer
December 9, 2019 10:36 pm

KcTaz December 5, 2019 at 3:34 pm

“That’s the view of Ole Wæver, a prominent international relations professor at the University of Copenhagen, who also says climate inaction could lead to armed conflict.”

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