By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.
On July 4, 2019, I published the article “THE COST TO SOCIETY OF RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALISM”.
There was a reason why this article was published on July 4. My article begins:
Ever wonder why extremists attack honest scientists who oppose global warming and climate change hysteria? Ever wonder why climate extremists refuse to debate the science?
IT IS BECAUSE GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE ALARMISM WAS NEVER ABOUT THE SCIENCE – IT WAS ALWAYS A FALSE NARRATIVE, A SMOKESCREEN FOR THE TOTALITARIAN OBJECTIVES OF THE EXTREME LEFT.
Some people may think this was statement was inaccurate, or that I was being unfair. However, one week after my article was published, Democratic New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, fully verified my statement. He said, as written in the article below:
“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” Chakrabarti said… … “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” Chakrabarti added.
Following is another excerpt from my July 4 article that demonstrates how utterly impractical the Green New Deal is – the Green New Deal is energy and economic lunacy – it cannot work:
“4. Humanity needs modern energy to survive – to grow and transport our food and provide shelter, warmth and ~everything we need to live. Wind and solar power are too intermittent and too diffuse to be practical or effective. Green energy schemes have been costly failures.
Fully ~85% of global primary energy is from fossil fuels – oil, coal and natural gas. The remaining ~15% is almost all nuclear and hydro. Green energy has increased from above 1% to less than 2%, despite many trillions of dollars in wasted subsidies. The 85% fossil fuels component is essentially unchanged in past decades, and is unlikely to significantly change in future decades.
The fatal flaw of grid-connected green energy is that it is not green and produces little useful (dispatchable) energy, primarily due to intermittency – the wind does not blow all the time, and the Sun shines only part of the day. Intermittent grid-connected green energy requires almost 100% backup (‘spinning reserve’) from conventional energy sources. Intermittent wind and solar electrical generation schemes typically do not even significantly reduce CO2 emissions – all they do is increase energy costs and reduce grid reliability.
Claims that grid-scale energy storage will solve the intermittency problem have proven false to date. The only proven grid-scale ‘super-battery’ is pumped storage, and suitable sites are rare – Alberta is bigger than many countries, and has no sites suitable for grid-scale pumped storage systems.”
In addition to green energy’s fatal flaw of intermittency, there is also the second fatal flaw of diffusivity. The land area of the wind farms required to provide 100% of Great Britain’s energy demand would comprise about 10% of the country’s total land area – it’s explained at 1:58 in this video:
In the USA, this 10% would total about 300,000 square miles, or all of Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia, and more land and much more money would be required to provide back-up power for when the wind does not blow.
Then there is the incredible cost. According to the article below, “The Green New Deal in its entirety could cost up to $93 trillion over a decade.” That would more than quintuple (5x) the USA’s national debt – to solve an imaginary “global warming / climate crisis” that does not even exist in reality.
All over the world, countries that once had a future have fallen into dictatorship, poverty and misery. It is notable that of the ~167 large countries in the world, most are totalitarian states, and all but “the chosen few” citizens of these countries suffer under brutal leftist dictatorships.
Now the last great democracies, the hope of the world, are under attack by leftist extremists.
Radical greens have used wildly exaggerated scary stories of runaway global warming and climate change to stampede the gullible, in order to achieve their political objectives.
The absolute lunacy of the Green New Deal and its delusional acolytes is now clear – global warming alarmism and green energy nonsense was never about the climate – it was always a false narrative, a smokescreen for the totalitarian objectives of the extreme left. Once the left controls our energy supply, they control everything in our society – it will be “One Man, One Vote, Once!” – the end of freedom.
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OCASIO-CORTEZ’S CHIEF OF STAFF ADMITS WHAT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS REALLY ABOUT — AND IT’S NOT THE CLIMATE by Peter Hasson, July 11, 2019
https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/11/saikat-chakrabarti-green-new-deal/
Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s “Green New Deal” is more about drastically overhauling the American economy than it is about combatting climate change, her top aide admitted.
Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, made the revealing admission in a meeting with Democratic Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s climate director in May. A Washington Post reporter accompanied Chakrabarti to the meeting for a magazine profile published Wednesday.
“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” Chakrabarti said to Inslee’s climate director, Sam Ricketts.
“Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” Chakrabarti added.
Ocasio-Cortez’s press office didn’t immediately return an inquiry regarding whether Chakrabarti’s admission would undermine the congresswoman’s Green New Deal advocacy.
The Green New Deal calls for a number of hard left proposals, including getting the U.S. entirely off of fossil fuels within 10 years, providing universal health care, basic income programs and job guarantees.
The proposal also calls for “social, economic, racial, regional and gender-based justice and equality and cooperative and public ownership.”
Transitioning to “clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources” within 10 years — just one of the Green New Deal’s expensive proposals — could cost more than $5 trillion, according to one estimate.
The Green New Deal in its entirety could cost up to $93 trillion over a decade, according to another estimate.
The Green New Deal was, almost word for word, lifted from the Canadian Socialist Party
They try to destroy Capitalism, democracy and our freedom. https://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally
So, not only was it idiotic, but it was plagiarized?
Figures. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Listen to Naomi Klein in this recent video. Is she also involved with Leap Manifesto?
Wadda Marron! I just left some sanity moments on her Insanity Youtube Speech!
Sadly, it is not the Climate they want to control… it is YOU they want to Control!
In Canada, Trudeau has failed, failure must not be rewarded, Canada must Vote Smarter and Justin must be made Single Use in October!
Yeah, the drama teacher turned out to be not as sharp as his lawyer father. Surprise, surprise.
Jody Wilson-Raybould should go for the party leadership. But I don’t think she’s the sort of meat puppet they want.
Allan
I think posted elsewhere on WUWT is the report from a former head of the Metropolitan police service anti terrorist unit which exposes Extinction Rebellion (XR) as a subversive, extreme left wing political movement.
It hides behind the issue of climate change to enact radical political change in the UK, specifically, but elsewhere as well.
They are happy to consider violent insurrection and causing death to achieve their objectives.
The report, whilst fairly repetitive, is thorough, compiled by an entirely sober, objective, experienced, former very senior UK police officer (he only retired in 2016) who considers it important enough to release his investigations into this tentacled organisation.
And I think the important thing to take away from the report is not the threat a few thousand activists across the world represent, but the evolving nature of their campaign. They have gone through a number of failed iterations, growing each time, and if XR are another failure, they will evolve into yet another extreme left wing organisation hiding behind, if not climate change next time, then something else.
I will add that this report is distributed through ‘Policy Exchange’ which is a respected political think take with which our government consults.
The study is available to freely download. https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/extremism-rebellion/
It represents what climate change truly represents; the raid on Democratic freedom to say and do, largely, as one wants with ones life, by the left.
keep it up mate. I always look forward to your post’s.
Thank you HotScot my friend – you can contact me through my website.
XR – or to use their original title “Bolsheviks”, who naively believed Marx’s 1848 revolutionary fairy story that the industrial revolution in Britain created a state of class warfare by the capitalist ‘burgeoisie’ that was oppressing the ‘proletariat’, without presenting a shred of evidence for that claim, just a stream of emotional waffle. Sound familiar? Try reading Marx’s Communist Manifesto, replacing the word ‘proletariat’ with ‘climatariat’!
That’s it: Bolsheviks. The green new deal is a manifesto for a command economy.
Reducing the amount of energy available, then commanding who gets energy and how much.
Who would make the decisions? The commissars.
Sadly the democrats are drinking the Bolshevik water & turning red…
Was Enron a Bolshevik organization? Anyone seeking the concentration of control that creates individual helplessness can take advantage.
same methods, slight difference in goals; Enron sought to manipulate the public in order to steal a pile of money; the Greens seek to manipulate the public in order to steal a bunch of power. Of the two, I think the ones who want to steal money are the lest destructive, because at least once they’ve got their pile of gold they go away.
I can’t see the difference between wanting to accumulate gold for the power it brings, and wanting power to accumulate gold. The goal is to be rich and powerful.
The U.S. and Canada have little or no actual gold left, so something isn’t working.
The BBC interviewed one of the authors, and have now apologised because the breached their editorial rules. Search for donnachadh McCarthy on Facebook, he’s based in London. The relevant post is the first one on his timeline. I find it ironic that they consider the BBC as right wing and the policy exchange one of the most evil political organisations in Britain.
I found this on YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adAaWY3h0uc&t=1s, and it made me think that XR could be considered an extremist organisation under the governments PREVENT strategy ( this was before the above report was published). Another concern is Population Matters as they too seem to be targeting young children.
If the far-left vermin try to force us into socialist servitude, they will have to bring guns to the party because the rest of us will “refuse to comply”, against all hazard with Civil War II.
Sam – the ones who will be enforcing socialist programs will be the U.S. military – which itself is a socialist entity based on the fact that we all pay taxes to fund it, and it exists to protect us all equally under the law. So if you think you and your ilk are going to take up arms and fight the U.S. military, I personally think that’s delusional. I think it’s more likely that you will welcome their help in the same way people in developing countries suffering from drought, famine, floods etc welcome their help — and some of that help may take the form of new socialist programs that we all pay into in order to “buy insurance” in case of a various climate-driven events.
Sam – the ones who will be enforcing socialist programs will be the U.S. military – which itself is a socialist entity based on the fact that we all pay taxes to fund it, and it exists to protect us all equally under the law. So if you think you and your ilk are going to take up arms and fight the U.S. military, I personally think that’s delusional. I think it’s more likely that you will welcome their help in the same way people in developing countries suffering from drought, famine, floods etc welcome their help — and some of that help may take the form of new socialist programs that we all pay into in order to “buy insurance” in case of various climate-driven events.
The problem we have is the objective of those who sit behind Western Governments. They set up the most significant Think Tanks & NGO’s (RIIA CFR Tri-Lateral Commissin Bilderberg Atlantic Council UN World Bank IMF etc etc) & mostly choose our leaders for us giving them huge control & influence over policy particularly foreign policy. This is demonstrated by the willingness to go to war against Middle East countries at the drop of a hat without so much as real evidence or the consent of the people.
Their ultimate “objective” is World Government…that means either a peacfull merger with the Communist Bloc or war! A peacefull merger requires a number of strategies, firstly a common enemy (Climate Emergency) to get the consent of the people, secondly a political standardisation process hence all the wars across the planet to install “Democracy” thirdly wealth redistribution hence austerity, engineered economic crises & Carbon Taxes/Trading. It’s a very big picture & difficult for the average person to conceive unless you’ve carried out a lot of research.
Net zero energy.
Good report Allan, and right on the money. I sometimes wonder if our friends sponsoring the Green New Deal give a thought about our friends, the birds and bats, who are chopped up and cooked in this process? No, of course not, because, like you said, it’s not about the energy it’s about control.
I wonder what it will take to see the folly of all this nonsense about Green Energy? I suppose the lights must cease and society likely needs to descend into the Dark Ages to get people to come to their senses.
After viewing the ditch digger that lasted 2 hours and now requires an eight hour charge by a diesel generator, so much for zero emissions and the reliability of battery power.
Nevertheless, I always enjoy Allan’s posts. Keep’em coming. Cheers!
“I wonder what it will take to see the folly of all this nonsense about Green Energy? I suppose the lights must cease and society likely needs to descend into the Dark Ages to get people to come to their senses.”
Let’s hope that the entire society doesn’t descend into the Dark Ages. I think what we are really talking about here is the Western Democracies. The rest of the world is going a different directin when it comes to CO2 production.
Fortunately, the Western Democracies have several test projects such as Germany, the UK, South Australia, California and the hope is they will, in their efforts to wean themselves off fossil fuels, go bankrupt first and show the rest of the us what NOT to do.
In other words, we have several crash-test dummies we will be able to examine for viability. Or lack thereof. The “lack thereof” is looking more and more likely. The crash-test dummies are digging their hole deeper and one of these days the results will be in, and I don’t think that day is far off.
I think it is a little too late to be “hoping” much about anything …… simply because the “beliefs” that are driving/pushing the “social/cultural pendulum” has pushed it too far off-center to the “left” to ever swing back without our society descending into the anarchy of a “power-grab” by opposing forces.
As long as the populace condones “selective enforcement” of criminal acts ……. and condemns an “eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” punishment of lawbreakers, ….. the situation will continue to worsen.
Averting one’s eyes and mind to a dastardly problem ……. will not solve it.
About a week ago it came home to roost, in the hometown of Race-to-the-Fringes DeBlasio and Cuomo; a 74-block blackout in NYC when some cable or other popped caused panic, outrage, shock and awe, and a five-hour lack of that great evil, air conditioning. Live without power for FIVE hours? BEYOND HUMAN ENDURANCE, for the whiny snowflakes inhabiting the blue-as-a-bruise city built on swamps. I mean, like, no place to charge their PHOoooones!
(Tee-Hee!)
Communism, [national] socialism, fascism… it’s about central, single, monopoly formation, and the elite and corporations love it. It’s about redistributive change, scientific prophecy, and democratic suppression.
“How-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing” is also a lie. Marxism is not economics, it is literal war against the innocent.
“Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.” – Mao Tse-Tung
“Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.” – Mao Tse-Tung
Mao killed about 80 million of his own people, the mainland Chinese. How were they the enemy?
Stalin killed about 50 million Russians, Ukrainians, and others – also his own people.
National Socialist Hitler killed another 50 million, but some of them actually were his enemies.
What the left does not seem to understand is this:
WHEN POWER IS SO TIGHTLY CONCENTRATED, IT ALWAYS ENDS UP IN THE HANDS OF A VICIOUS PSYCHOPATH AND HIS SYCOPHANTS.
And no, this time it will NOT be different.
You’re assuming that the Left “doesn’t understand”. I’m not sure you’re right. They are working on Niemöller’s Hypothesis (“first they came for …) or what might be called salami tactics.
There is no way that the US or Western Europe is ripe for revolution but by stepping carefully — “ the long march through the institutions” is part of the process — the atmosphere (“climate”? – joke!) can be created which should lead to another famous quote, Mencken’s “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
And once that “one man, one vote, one time” election is out of the way they are the legitimate government and we become the criminals because they, legitimately, say so.
Newminster wrote:
“You’re assuming that the Left “doesn’t understand”. I’m not sure you’re right.”
You are assuming what I am assuming – and you are wrong.
For the record, I initiated the recent article that spoke of “the long march through the institutions”.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/25/sciences-untold-scandal-the-lockstep-march-of-professional-societies-to-promote-the-climate-change-scare
The left is comprised of leaders and followers. The leaders understand their objectives, strategies and tactics – their followers, not so much.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-anniversary-of-the-un-1989-10-years-to-save-the-world-climate-warning/#comment-2734450
No one is claiming that Marxists are intelligent – they clearly are not. The leftist leadership are sociopaths who seize any notion that will disrupt peaceful society, create poverty and chaos and thus give them total control. Their minions will follow anything that moves and sounds good – they are the lower ~third of human intellect – people who are too stupid to vote – but they do.
“Mao killed about 80 million of his own people, the mainland Chinese. How were they the enemy?”
They were the enemy of Mao’s ambitions. That’s all it took for Mao to feel it necessary to kill those innocent people. You get in a psychopath’s way, then you have to go, by any means necessary.
Tom Abbott wrote:
“You get in a psychopath’s way, then you have to go, by any means necessary.”
Yes Tom, that reality is abundantly clear.
The 20th Century was a disaster for humanity, with over 200 million innocent people killed, most by their own governments.
Can we as a global society not learn from our grievous errors?
Do we really have to do this all again?
The “Progressives”, aka neo-Marxists, say “Yes – but this time it will be different!” – No, it won’t!
Regards, Allan
There is no better example of conservative extremism, than socialist governments led by a conservative, who wants to maintain status quo by murdering anyone who demands change (ie progressives).
This is how conservatives maintain what they want, not by democracy, but by undermining socialism(ie the want for equality amoungst all), by ensuring all who remain reject change. By washing all who remain to expect what they have as normal and unchanging.
Spot on. Socialism isn’t a “economic system.” It is a rationalization for absolutist rule.
Both the GND and Agenda 21 are nothing more than attempts to convert Democratic Capitalistic countries to Marxism. The UN is the primary purveyor of converting those countries to a One World Government and it’s time we/the West wake up to that fact and do something about it. They will lie, cheat, and steal to justify their planned revolution and have no qualms about it. AGW is their most audacious plan and it’s off to a good start for them. However they are reaching the crossroads of saving the planet but destroying the people and it’s being recognized by everyone. We’re worried about the false science in AGW and they could care less as long as we swallow the pill.
Thank you Allan MacRae. People need to learn more about the “Leap Manifesto’ as well.
Ontario’s energy costs have “soared” also.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ontarios-soaring-electricity-costs-result-of-poor-government-policies/
I’d be curious to see the much reproduced electricity cost graph above redone to show average electricity cost vs percentage of hydro, or vs population density, or to see elecricity cost change over time vs percentage of renewables.
Or add Canada to the graph. Or show 10 provinces vs renewabkes. Or split the U.S. up to compare individual states.
I wonder if the interpretation has cauae and effect reversed – for some countries with minimal fossil fuel or hydro resources, maybe they’re getting into more solar PV because of high generation costs, not the other way around as stated above.
Our electricity cost per kw is 5 cents generation plus 20 cents delivery charge. We hardly notice the generation cost portion. The potential per kw savings from rooftop solar PV here are 25 cents, but utility scale or wind can’t possibly save us more than 5 cents / 20%, even at free.
Here’s a list of signatories for Leap Manifesto:
https://leapmanifesto.org/en/whos-on-board/
If you look at the long list of causes, you can see that intersectionality has built the list of people signing on.
Any similarity to the “Mein Kampf” is unintended. That one was a different kind of socialism.
Old news. At least he, Chakrabarti, admitted to being a watermelon.
There are so many idiots worldwide believing that there is a climate to fight against and help these bastards in that “causa”, incredible !!
Talk about dispatchable – at the Carters dam in Georgia, Georgia Power could call the control room at the dam and say “give me 300 megawatts” and it would be on line in about 5 minutes. The longest delay was the fisherman’s warning horn because people fished in the waterway below the main dam and they had to get out of the way when the generators came on. At late night, 2 of the 4 units at the dam were dual generate/pumping units and they would pump at night when the demand was light. There was a holding lake below the dam.
I worked for several months at the Carters control room in the mid-1970s putting in a supervisory control system and I got to learn a good deal about how things worked.
Thank you Dan for writing:
“There was a holding lake below the dam.”
That “holding lake below the dam” is the required component for “pumped storage hydroelectricity” or PSH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity
Alberta is a large province in area, larger than France and much larger than re-united Germany. We have NO sites suitable for PSH in Alberta – our hydro generation typically consists of a river below the hydro dam – there is no significant volume of water available below the dam to pump back uphill for a pumped storage scheme.
There are only a few suitable sites in the world for pumped storage schemes and many of these have already been utilized – and PSH is the only practical, grid-scale form of “super-battery” at this time.
I have heard so-called “energy experts” blithely claim that they would solve the intermittency problem of wind and solar energy with “storage”. To date, that solution is akin to saying “we will solve the shortage of horses by importing unicorns”.
They could be thinking of Storage of Natural Gas. Or they’re bad at math.
Randy – they are referring to storage of electricity in a “super-battery”.
I have to admit I haven’t read the Green New Deal Manifesto or whatever, but I did read the whole blog post and I’m still not clear on which ‘they’ you are referring to, or what kind of ‘Super Battery’ they imagine might someday exist, so it’s more likely that ‘they’ are very bad at math.
I think it’s probable that very large batteries will someday be built, perhaps for nuclear load following, or emergency backup.
The higher energy density of new solid state lithium cells at 400 wh/ kg looks promising for longer range electric vehicles – or much improved cordless tools and cordless lawn and garden equipment, and longer gadget run times.
No chemical battery cell comes close to the compactness of energy stored in petroleum, wherever oxygen is available.
Some of us have known for years that the global warming / climate change scam is not about climate. Unfortunately a lot of thieves, corrupt politicians and dangerous ideologues have hooked their wagon to the global warming scam, once they figured out how it could benefit them. The whole thing was started by the corrupt and evil UN and is now a runaway train.
The History of the Global Warming Scare
http://appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_History.htm
Global Warming for Global Governance
http://appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GlobalGovernance.htm
United Nations and Anthropogenic Global Warming = Wealth Redistribution
http://appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/UN_AGWscam.htm
Thanks for the links Rob, though many of us can see the direction of travel, but few of us have the chapter and verse detail your links provide.
The resistance by the establishment to Britain’s decision to leave the EU is clearly explained, by their realisation, such a decision taken by the people of the UK, is against the desire of the globalists to remove Nation State as a political construct.
The EU is founded on removing Nation Statehood from its members and openly says so. To achieve UN control of world affairs, the EU acts as an essential step, a path finder, collecting some of the worlds most influential Nations into a collective that then abandons Nationhood. This process will be repeated in different geographic areas across the Globe under the careful collectivisation development, by the UN.
The EU has removed virtually all of the individual’s rights contained in Magna Carta via the ECJ (European Courts of Justice). Only the American Constitution now stands as a working document supporting the rights the individual has, over the state’s constant demand for authority over them.
It should come as no surprise, it was the USA that funded the memorial to Magna Carta at Runnymede, here in the UK.
We are ever grateful for the wisdom shown by the founding fathers of the USA, their clearheaded vision regarding the unacceptable overreach of government is needed now, more than ever 200+ years on.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face–for ever.”
–statement by the character O’Brien in George Orwell’s 1984
That about sums up the green new deal.
Jim
The picture is totally accurate !
+42 !
If push comes to shove, we could go nuclear. The nuclear leaders appear to be the Russians. link
We need California to attempt to go 100% renewable. They say they can buy solar PV electricity at prices that are competitive with some fossil fuel technologies. OK. Their numbers say they should be able to do it. When they fail miserably, they can investigate nuclear. Come on California. If you believe you can save the Earth by eliminating CO2, you’ve got to do it.
California currently imports 30% of the power used in the state. The state tracks this and all the data can be downloaded. California’s peak PV production occurs from Noon through 2:00 PM. This creates a large surplus of power in the grid. California power companies must pay neighboring grids to take this extra power. Unfortunately, peak power usage is in the evening, when PV production is zero in the winter months or close to zero in the summer months. This is when power must be imported from neighboring grids to keep the lights on in California.
This is not a future scenario. This is the situation today.
Is the surplus / shortage communicated to the market in variable electricity rates?
‘Cause if it were, you’d expect behaviour to change, to take advantage of free power – peak oversupply would be a good time for everything from storing cold by freezing saltwater, to storing process heat in molten salt, to charging anything that holds electricity. And flogging the rest to neighbors cheap.
I’m for adding rooftop PV to save money, but not for subsidy. And as for storage, sure, if it makes economic sense, otherwise it’s better to dump it. But no subsidies.
Economics of farming work the same for electricity or carrots or zuchini. Unpredictable harvest but with control of the market lets one profit by selling most of a crop in one market at a high price, even while dumping some at a loss in another.
The other fallacy is that the storage system will be replenished with “Surplus” electricity. This is ludicrous beyond belief and common sense. look at the Duck Curve en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_curve. PV will only be unable to “Charge up” the storage system if there is twice as much power being generated as being used. This means that at least 30 to 50 percent MORE PV systems and Wind Farms will be needed with this “extra capacity” used just to charge up for the night time or low wind periods.
The Reason Pumped Storage has worked for utilities is that they pump the water back into the reservoir at NIGHT when not only is the use the lowest the value/cost of the electricity is the lowest. Utilities put the cheapest generators on line FIRST and the most expensive generators last. The utility I worked for had generators that cost over $0.50 per KWH to operate several times the cost of pumped storage. During heatwaves the cost of buying electricity from another utility has exceeded $2,000 for a few hours supply. Using PS saved the customers millions.
I know of no PS system in the USA that was designed for more than that needed over night. Also they are not designed to power the entire utility load. To supply several days of power means the reservoir will have to be four times as large. and several times that if the utility is “100%” renewable.
It is worse than that! The problem of renewables is not simply diurnal, but also seasonal. PV power in the winter is approximately 30% of summer production. Winter is the season when power usage is the highest. A power storage system for renewables (PV) would need to store the excess summer production to be used not just at night, but also during the winter. The scale of such a system would be planetary.
Natural Gas micro cogeneration can help with some of that. Generating electricity while providing hot water makes sense economically if the capital cost is low enough, and it works all year. They’re all the rage in Japan.
The system can provide some electricity in an outage, or be programmed to run during peak electricity demand.
And the gas grid usually has a lot of storage but limited capacity, so stored hot water can be made ‘off-peak’ from heating demand.
Even though the Renewable promoting GreenSlime claims solar and wind energy costs are competitive with natural gas, that never addresses the back-up generation needed for every KW of renewable power running the grid at a given moment due to intermittency discussed above by Allan.
So the “cheaper” feature of wind and solar actually turns into much higher electricity costs. And that is also not an an accident but also a “feature.” In this fossil fuel/renewable energy electricity grid hybird, everyone in electricity game gets to make more more, and the ones who have to pay for it all is the middle class. Just like hybrid automobiles cost more than their fully ICE counterparts. You’re paying for the virtue signaling, because a full life-cycle cost usually demonstrates the ICE car is the better long-term value than it’s hybrid twin.
Thus the Renewable energy scams are nothing but an artifice to siphon money out of the large middle class in Western democracies. But along the way the renewable energy GreenSlime has gotten in bed with the socialist GreenBlob, each with very different ideas of whatthe climate change scam is all about.
So as I see it, there are really two Big Factions within the “Green Movement”
– The Green Blob of hard-core environmentalist, the socialists come Marxists.
– The Green Slime of renewable energy hustlers who are in the game for the money solar and wind scams promise by remaking the electricity markets, and fleecing the middle class into working poverty.
Sometimes it is hard to see these two distinctions, but they are there. Sometimes even the same entity can find itself from an outside observer to be both.
There is a very large third group in the ‘green movement’ and they are the sheep who have been brainwashed by both these two main pillars of watermelons and the ‘green slime’, including the poor kids who are being brainwashed into this and think an anomalous weather event is now proof of global warming/climate change not realizing that extreme weather events are always part of the norm and create the average they think should be the norm. It should be this group that is probably the easiest to be brought back to sanity, especially once they see their living costs exploding through the roof by these shameless power hucksters who are peddling all this crap for nefarious reasons. We need to target these people to become skeptics and question everything that is being done in the name of climate.
Funny you say “brainwash” because the real reason is the air we breathe, because IT does keep us alive, and to protect our air is to protect our life (our health) …so we don’t spend our time in sickness, disease and death, and or mostly mourning the early passing of loved ones caught up in ill health POLLUTION causes. So simple some forget/overlook/ ignore / deny and or want to complicate, yet our health (true prosperity) has everything to do with breathing clean air.
I completely agree Jude that we all want clean air to breath. For the most part in the 1st World here in the West, our air is fairly clean due to rigorous emission standards compete with catalytic exhaust systems etc, although perhaps in 12 lane traffic in rush hour somewhere, that is less than ideal. But you are confusing general air pollution with ‘carbon’ and CO2 which are two separate things, although I suspect your rebuttal would be that it is primarily the ICE engines burning carbon fossil fuels that create the air pollution. Most fossil fuelled electricity generation is far enough from populated centres and dispersed through tall smokestacks, so that it isn’t usually the cause of localized air pollution.
We don’t really suffer the anywhere the same degree of raw air pollution like Mexico City, Manila or Shanghai and and 1001 other 3rd world locations. CO2 is not air pollution, since it is a trace, odourless, invisible atmospheric gas essential to all life on Earth. ‘Carbon’ pollution is a metaphor for real air pollution, which can be mostly arrested technologically. There is still carbon monoxide so don’t lock yourself in the garage with the engine running though. But CO isn’t the big issue with air pollution in an open area, more it is the particulate pollution that we have learnt to minimize with technology. The problem is that most of the 3rd world still has old ICE engines spewing out air pollution exhaust.
To do that, you have to reverse “The Long March Through The Institutions” achieved by the Marxists. They now control the propaganda broadcasters such as the BBC and many others world wide.
That correction of unjust influence, will take generations, just as it took generations to put in place.
The good news is, those of us who know what is actually going on, sleep easier at night than those who think Man Made Global Warming is a real thing.
Admittedly a very small positive.
Lets start with the easy bit, Withdraw from the UN. Beside it been a useless body at stopping the numerous small wars, it is via the likes of the IPCC a very dangerous body.
Of course the politicians love it, its just a super sized soapbox.
At the least close down the IPCC.
Only the USA can do this, stop paying them any money.
MJE VK5ELL
I agree, the U.N. is an ideal that will never work because people who go into politics are so corrupt. The United States should mostly withdraw, just sit on the councils, and provide real law and guidance through another mechanism – one made up of only Western style democracies that share our values.
As for science, governments are incapable of providing their own scientific studies as the EPA has demonstrated. What started as a fairly effective agency has devolved into a complete corrupt anti-science liberal catastrophe. NASA is right behind… (I used to love NASA s they could get hard things done, now they are more worried about diversity then science)
Nothing strikes fear into the hearts of bureaucrats, politicians, Gov employees, and academics more than the word defunding.
And remember, Michael, that at the Yalta conference after WW2 between Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin to carve up Europe, to Churchill’s great dismay and anger Roosevelt negotiated away a lot to Stalin in return for his agreement to set up the UN, which Roosevelt believed would prevent future wars. Stalin played him like a fish, as IMO the Russians have been doing to the West through the UN ever since. The IPCC and its tentacles are fully a creature of the UN, quite likely with the full support of the Russians since the fall of the USSR. This is grand-scale geopolitics, not a sideshow. (Ex-VK2Z..)
Let’s not stoop to using the Alarmist trick of weaponising the single cause fallacy. Saying this entire issue is just about socialist trying to takeover the World is just as silly as saying that CO2 is the control knob of the global Climate.
Clearly things are way more complex than this. Climate change is clearly a bandwagon issue with every man and his dog jumping aboard for their own personal gain. Given the money to be made there’s likely way more Capitalists trying to cash in. Given the urgency of this issue we would be better off trying to divide and conquer.
Very good points, George.
No doubt, all the socialists jump on board the UN CAGW bandwagon in order to further their socialists goals, but there is also no doubt there are many other reasons for people to get aboard besides socialism, such as personal career advancement, money, fame, and fear. The average person gets onboard because they don’t know any better and they don’t know any better because they are being deliberately lied to about CAGW.
I would agree that it does seem that the leadership of the UN is defintely focused on socialist/authoritarian goals, and on governing the Earth, and is using CAGW as a vehicle to those ends.
The CAGW Hoax was always about replacing small decentralized governments with free-market economies, and replacing them with huge centralized totalitarian governments which control every aspect of their economies and people through: massive taxes, regulations, rules, mandates, public-work projects, rationing, quotas, subsidies, licensing, massive bureaucracies, huge welfare programs, government price fixing, massive national debts, etc.
There is now overwhelming evidence that CO2’s climate sensitivity is minuscule (0.6C~1.2C/CO2 doubling), which not only isn’t a problem, higher CO2 levels: increase crop yields, reduces desertification, makes plants more drought resistant, increases global greening, lengthens growing seasons, makes winters less severe, increases arable land in Northern latitudes, reduces winter heating costs, etc…
The disparities and duration between CAGW’s hilarious catastrophic climate predictions vs. reality already exceed the criteria necessary for official hypothetical disconfirmation.
As the earth cools from 30-year ocean cool cycles and a 50-year Grand Solar Minimum event, the CAGW hoax will become an even bigger joke than it already is.
Leftists don’t seem to appreciate the huge blowback they’re about to receive once voters realize their Leftist governments have wasted $trillions on the biggest and most expensive scam in human history…
I collected more statements about it NOT being about climate here:
http://www.debunkingclimate.com/green-new-deal.html
thanks
JK
Politicians control what happens.
Voters elect the politicians.
Media controls the voters.
Therefore Media controls what happens.
Who controls the media ?
The principles of free markets and competition also apply to the markets of news, information, and ideas. This is why attempts to silence dissent in media are so dangerous.
Who controls the media?
That is a very good question george1st:)
I am sure that our national news papers are very socialist run news sheets here in New Zealand.
Our TV news screens very biased news from CNN and the BBC and both main channels are loathe to screen any thing from Fox News or Aljazeera although both channels are available .
I would say that in most situations an editorial committee check what is to be printed and what news is to be screened .
I first became very skeptical about global warming as it was first called after meeting John Maunder a New Zealander and a member of the WMO who attended the first and second climate conference in Villach and Rio de Janeiro .
John was a meteorologist and had taught in universities around the world .
John maintained and quite rightly that the doubling of CO2 will warm the earth by less than one degree Celsius.
I became convinced that the global warming scare was a scam when farmed livestock were targeted and at the Kyoto conference methane from livestock was introduced as an emission and adopted.
Here are my reasons and I would welcome any scientific based criticism.
All other green house gas emissions are sourced from coal ,oil and gas ,or from limestone which are all extracted from below the earths surface where the have been for millions of years.
Methane from farmed livestock are in an entirely different category as all the methane emitted comes from fodder that has absorbed C02 and as the methane has a half life in the atmosphere of around 8.5 years and is then broken down into CO2 and water vapour and the cycle continues .
But here are the facts .
The difference between methane sinks and emissions have been calculated from 13 TG 19 TG 20 TG and up to 52 TG .
TG = million tones .
These cannot all be right so I would think that 52 TG is an outlier.
We now look at the energy sector and the methane emissions range from 75 TG to 110 TG.
Now most of these methane emissions are fugitive emissions that escape during coal mining and oil and gas extraction .
If these industries reduced there emissions by better control they could soon bring their emissions down to below the difference of the sinks and emissions and methane levels would stabilize or even fall I would point out that methane levels plateaued between 1998 and 2008 .
Few new coal mines were being developed around the world and coal extraction was in decline from about 1990 to 2000 but something stopped methane from rising for close on ten years .
Don’t blame the cows .
.Fix fugitive emissions from coal mines and oil and gas extraction and pipelines and methane levels in the atmosphere will stabilize.
I am certain that activists pushed for methane from livestock to be included in the Kyoto Accord and it has never been assessed scientifically .
It was pushed by the UN and no one will stand up to them as after 10 years the same molecules are then counted twice as the CO2 is absorbed in plants and eaten by livestock .
No other emissions are counted twice.
Graham
Try getting rid of the 200 million cows in India. No way, they are holy cows.
Compared with them the 95, 25 and 10 million cows in the US, Australia and UK respectively are negligible.
Anyway, as Gwan says, the amount of methane from livestock has reached a dynamic equilibrium with emissions balanced by breakdown.
Are these mostly draft animals? If so, wouldn’t Indian cows eating grass and doing useful work be better than American cows laying around eating corn and getting fat?
You are actually doing environmentalists a favour by associating them with the Far Left. The climate campaign is drive mainly by a climate industrial complex. This consists of several hundred large corporations engaged in wind power, electric vehicle manufacture, solar power, bio-fuels and the like. Behind them, and pervading the larger movement, are the landed interests of states and regions which being, petroleum importers, seek energy independence through a petroleum phaseout. A survey of the controlling minds of the companies, philanthropies, and parties involved will not expose any leftists; but rather many wealthy well-connected families.
Red-baiting this movement is not simply barking up the wrong tree. It gives the movement street creds and a working class veneer it doesn’t deserve. For more visit http://www.ecofascism.com
Some people get hung up on the nomenclature (Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, etc etc) and try to label extreme leftists as extreme rightists and so on. I wrote the following in 2012 and 2017, to help clear up the confusion.
Forgetting the labels for a minute, I support much LESS government interference in our lives. I hate our hugely bloated, incredibly incompetent governments. I’d vote for the first person who says “Hey! I’ll do a whole lot LESS for you!”
Regards, Allan 🙂
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/25/al-gore-bilks-people-at-christmas-asking-for-climate-crisis-money/#comment-2243505
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“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” – Groucho Marx
When I was at McGill in the 1960’s, there were over a dozen different Marxist parties. We categorized them into two groups: the angry, violent Groucho Marxists with their ugly, greasy-haired women, and the Harpo Marxists, with their “peace and love” mantras and their beautiful flaxen-haired women.
MARXISM MADE SIMPLE!
The Groucho Marxists are the leaders – they want power for its own sake at any cost, and typically are sociopaths or psychopaths. The great killers of recent history, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot. etc. were of this odious ilk – first they get power, then they implement their crazy schemes that do not work and too often kill everyone who opposes them.
The Harpo Marxists are the followers – the “sheeple” – these are people of less-than-average intelligence who are easily duped and follow the Groucho’s until it is too late, their rights are lost and their society destroyed. They are attracted to simplistic concepts that “feel good” but rarely “do good”.
George Carlin said: “You know how stupid the average person is, right? Well, half of them are stupider than that!”
One can easily identify many members of these two groups in the global warming debate – and none of them are ”climate skeptics”.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/28/germanys-new-renewable-energy-policy/#comment-1067214
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In North America, we too have our share of CAGW scoundrels and imbeciles – an ignorant stew of Harpo and Groucho Marxists who are convinced that if all industry were shut down and everyone worked for the government, the economy would perk along just fine. These leftist ideologues appeal to that idiot 30% of humanity who are somehow convinced they are much more intelligent than the rest of us, despite their lack of any technical or economic competence.
From time to time, these ideologues gain power and proceed to wreak havoc upon their economies – witness the Canadian Liberals under Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien, or the Ontario Liberals under Doltan McGuinty. Out of neighbourly courtesy, I will not comment on USA politics.
Because of the boom in cheap natural gas from shale, and similar apparent success in shale oil, North America is again enjoying abundant cheap energy. The question is, will we use this incredible competitive advantage to rebuild our economies and our manufacturing sectors, now increasingly outsourced to China, or will be squander this opportunity in a quagmire of regulatory incompetence and pseudo-environmental obstructionism?
Stay tuned.
Politics and sports, ……. two peas in the same pod.
People of different races, nationalities, religions, incomes, education, etc., etc., will fuss, fight, praise, applaud, agree, badmouth, cripple, kill, etc., etc., when engaged in political discussions/encounters with others, ….. but will, …… for the most part, …. forget about politics and how it directly affects their lives when said “politics” is not in season.
Likewise, people of different races, nationalities, religions, incomes, education, etc., etc., will fuss, fight, praise, applaud, agree, badmouth, cripple, kill, etc., etc., when engaged in sports discussions/encounters with others, ….. but will, …… for the most part, …. forget about sports because they do not directly affect their lives when said “sports” are not in season.
Is one uneducated, ignorant and utterly stupid because they supported the wrong sports team?
Or are they only uneducated, ignorant and utterly stupid if they supported the wrong politician/political party?
So perhaps the only actual problem is network television and the advertising that enables it?
Almost 4 decades ago I attended a few lectures by someone running for the Senate as an Independent. He said that the threat isn’t whether a government is left or right but rather is it totalitarian.
The US Constitution wasn’t ratified until The Bill of Rights was included. The Bill of Rights was intended to limit the newly formed Government and prevent it from violating the principle it was founded upon.
“wealthy well-connected families”
Capitalist billionaires: the 0.000001%, not only own and control the world’s capital but have used the media (which they, yes thats right, own) to convince the uninformed that they don’t. These one thousand odd capitalist billionaires are not leftists neither are they environmentalists, they are just “wealthy well-connected families” with way too much power. The only way to curtail their psychopathy is by democratic, government regulation.
Ironically Allan, with his “I support much LESS government interference in our lives”, is unwittingly doing their bidding.
Loydo,
You are not often right, but you are wrong again.
Nice try at deflection Loydo.
You are alleging that the sponsors of the Green New Deal, that is AOC, Bernie Saunders and all their uber-left fellow-travelers in the Democratic Party etc (aka Lenin’s “useful idiots”) are really pawns of the ultra-wealthy.
I think there is evidence that subsequent generations of the ultra-wealthy often end up being socialist imbeciles, who spend their inherited wealth on far-left causes like global warming alarmism, world government and so on.
However, history tells us that these totalitarian adventures end badly – with hundreds of millions of dead, destroyed economies and broken societies.
Extreme leftists Stalin, Hitler and Mao killed about 200 million people in the 20th Century, and lesser leftist dictators like Pol Pot and other Tin Pots killed many millions more. Were these psychopaths all pawns of the very rich, or were they marching to their own inner vision of a society of serfs, with themselves as the supreme leader?
When too much power is concentrated in the hands of too few, a psychopath typically seizes power and kills or imprisons everyone who opposes his madness. Stalin, Hitler, Mao and the other great killers of the 20th Century all fit this description.
Leftists like you think “it will be different this time” – it won’t.