Guest essay by Eric Worrall
President Trump has criticised other countries for pursuing technology which doesn’t work.
Trump rejects need for climate action at G-20: US has ‘cleanest’ water and air ‘we’ve ever had’
BY ARIS FOLLEY – 06/29/19 04:08 PM EDTPresident Trump broke with the Group of 20 (G-20) nations on the need for climate change action on Saturday, saying the United States has the “cleanest water we have ever had.”
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Speaking to reporters on Saturday, Trump said, “I’m not sure that I agree with certain countries with what they are doing. They are losing a lot of power. I am talking about the powering of a plant.”
“It doesn’t always work with a windmill. When the wind goes off, the plant isn’t working. It doesn’t always work with solar because solar [is] just not strong enough, and a lot of them want to go to wind, which has caused a lot of problems,” he continued, according to The Washington Post.
“Wind doesn’t work for the most part without subsidy. The United States is paying tremendous amounts of subsidies for wind. I don’t like it. I don’t like it,” he added.
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Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/451021-trump-rejects-need-for-climate-action-at-g-20-us-has-the-cleanest
Well said Mr. President – clear headed observations which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.
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The winning, it just keeps coming. MAGA! And MEGA!
No exit from the UN Climate Protocol. No “Red Science” team formally in place.
Triangulation against Greenshirt extremists means you’re one election away from a Green Tryanny being empowered. They have complete blueprint.
This is hardly winning.
Really? America exited UNCP, Science Redteam is in action right now. EPA taking a deep a$$ f**king as we speak. The winning, it just keeps coming and that makes you cry. Sweet.
A very rosy view not supported by facts. Have the subsides from wind, solar or Elon Musk been reduced? Can’t touch Ethanol, a founding crony junk science industry.
Does the US remain in the UN Climate Framework?
I see Happer working in very marginalized fashion.
I’m sorry, it’s very marginal results that are one election from total eradication. The Greenshirt’s are a solid block while at least half of skeptics are politically obtuse, skeptics in name only. This hasn’t earned a solid political commitment from the President.
The Vichy Skeptics. They’re almost Climate Change collaborators if you consider their nuances. Denouncing the entire premise of CAGW, denouncing the government science cartel (consensus) is what is required. It’s a totalitarian globalist design, skeptics have to accept that truth but would rather waste years debating agenda data that warmists and leftist media control the flow of.
The President should do more and apolitical skeptic should be sent to the back row.
Ahhh! You gonna cry? All your ecotard crap is getting pitched out and not a damned thing you can do to stop it. And Trumps next 4 years are going to be Glorious for all the human race. Except tards like you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!
Warmist’s believe, if you say there’s a catastrophe coming enough times, climate illiterates among us will begin to believe it! Never mind that scientific observations disagree with the gloom and doom theory!
They believe because it works. When you have the Propaganda Ministry which includes the Primary Media Outlets and the scriptwriters in hollywood and the institutions of higher learning promoting the same narrative you do not need science or facts on you side.
Government Controlled Public School systems actively create dumbed down Social Justice Warriors who can barely tie their own shoes without a smart phone and what you have is a voting majority that would make Lincoln cry. A new fool category “most of the people all of the time.
Spot on Bill 👏👏
All the vain leaders (Macron, Trudeau…etc) publically laugh at President Trump but in their hearts they envy him.
Wrong – those socialist characters do not have hearts.
LOL, well said.
Wrong. They have big hearts, but no brains.
They have brains that accept the popular trend of the day.
Oh gawd…here it comes.
(Running outside to cover my flowers from the goo of exploding liberal heads all over the neighborhood)
They’re mostly hollow, so no big deal.
The sound of popcorn?
Popcorn
Ha ha ha! Nice one.
You should be more worried about being hit by shrapnel from their skulls……there is nothing else.
“… goo of exploding liberal heads
fertilizer in my book. Just wash it down with the garden hose and with a bag of manure from Home Depot.
No need for manure with all the shyte that is inside a liberal brain.
Do you live in Austin or Houston?
But Trump has yet to actually do anything about doing away with mandates and the production credits that keep “renewables” a profitable industry. And Trump has gone in for biofuel requirements in a big way, which is another useless bit of virtue signalling.
Trump is not a dictator.
Why should Trump take on numerous powerful lobbies right now? Think off all the people who are making money off this green nonsense.
He has other issues to worry about.
Not for lack of trying:
“Last week, Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration was seeking to cut funding for the Department of Energy’s Office of Energy Efficiency & Renewable Energy. So far, they haven’t issued an official proposal, but this wouldn’t be the first time that the administration has looked to slash federal programs subsidizing renewable energy and energy efficiency research. The last time Trump tried, Congress rebuffed his budget proposal.“
https://www.insidesources.com/us-still-subsidizing-renewable-energy-to-the-tune-of-nearly-7-billion/
The biofuel situation was political expediency. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep voting groups happy.
Supply, or lack thereof, will do a number on ethanol this year.
Nah… biofuels are indirect farm subsides. Nothing more, and nothing less. Since ensuring our farmers are doing well is good for the nation as a whole, and since adding a bit of ethanol to gasoline serves to reduce its pyrochemical output of nasty combustion products … its win-win. Just saying,
GoatGuy ✓
The US ethanol program caused the Arab Spring and the rise of ISIS. https://phys.org/news/2015-10-role-food-prices-syrian-crisis.html
@ur momisugly Bill E june 30,2019 at 9:15 pm
BBC Media Action was in Syria from 2004, stirring the pot.
+ many other countries:
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/bbc-media-action-subversion-broadcasting-house-kazahkstan
JD.
The same BBC reported, 9/11, that building 7 fell, 20 minutes before it was detonated.
Subversion & terrorism? Meat & drink for BBC?
Tom
The PTCs (Production Tax Credits) and ITCs (Investment Tax Credits wind down in a few months … end of 2019.
Dirt not turned for construction before December 31 means an abrupt cessation to much of this foolishness.
Just politics, unfortunately. Iowa caucuses ETC. I had hoped for better so I didn’t have to buy gas for my garden tools at Home Depot to get ethanol free gas.
Tom Halla
June 30, 2019 at 5:32 pm
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Tom.
You really missing the point, the beauty of the point, in the consideration of biofuel in
the USA.
D. J. Trump, the POTUS, has just removed the red tape on biofuel. Period.
The simple question here to consider:
“why such costly red tape regulation imposed there in the first place,
why the competitive value of the farmers involved was so much curtailed and insulated from proper free trade competition!
Why?! Why such a draconian centralization control from the previous governments?!”
And the answer is simple… you just got to figure it out… if you could consider and value the proper meaning of the free trade.
Cheers
Meanwhile,The Australian has the story “Climate put in ‘too hard’ basket “ ( June 29/30).-
“Formal discussion of a landmark scientific report on the dangers of 1.5C Warming has been scrubbed from climate talks forever after countries could not agree at this week’s summit in Bonn on how to deal with it.
Saudi Arabia led a push to question the science underpinning the IPCC report and other countries decided to close the debate rather than push on.It was an acrimonious end in Bonn; Brazil continued to derail talks on how international carbon trading should be conducted….”
It seems that President Trump is not alone in opposing a world carbon treaty, and the rush to renewables.
It bears reminding that “how to deal with it” represents a PREDICTION, not a fact.
A computer modelled one at that.
I told you guys that alarmists were running away from the UN IPCC SR15; its demands were so insane that nobody could defend it. When Saudi Arabia wanted to discuss the science, the one-world scammers shut down discussion and buried valid criticisms forever.
Apr 22, 2019
Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive, New Study Finds
Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael…/#17244b084f59
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JUNE 3, 2019
Study Finds Wind and Solar 2 to 3 Times More Expensive Than Existing Generation Resources
https://www.instituteforenergyresear…ion-resources/
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Feb 8, 2019
The average LCOEs from existing coal ($41), cc gas ($36), nuclear ($33), and hydro ($38) resources are less than half the cost of new wind resources ($90) or new PV solar resources ($88.7) with imposed costs included.
I hate this new format….you don’t even know if your links work…until you come back much later
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/04/22/unreliable-nature-of-solar-and-wind-makes-electricity-much-more-expensive-major-new-study-finds/#3186b62e4f59
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/study-finds-wind-and-solar-2-to-3-times-more-expensive-than-existing-generation-resources/
The test tab allows you to verify your posts before putting them on the main site.
It is not just wasting money on stupid schemes that will never work.
We have allowed the idiots to hide the green scheme’s critical engineering failure point.
Note it is an engineering fact the green schemes absolutely fail when power storage is required.
The cost of the green scheme becomes vertical at the point when power storage is required. Power a steel mill with batteries for three weeks?
At that point the energy cost to construct both battery storage, energy cost to construct wind turbines, and the energy to construct and operate more hydrocarbon power stations for backup is so high the scheme no longer reduces human CO2 emissions.
Reliable generation is less expensive. Who’d a thunk it.
Latitude
The June 19 “Today In Energy” column from the EIA contained a new category … ANGCC – Advanced Natural Gas Combined Cycle.
These are essentially the newest iterations of Frame H turbines.
Incredibly efficient.
The global buildout of fast, cheap LNG import terminals by way of FSRUs (Floating Storage and Regasification Units) coupled with modular-build new gas plants is leading to an expensive upsurge in gas production and power generation.
Excellent comments, thank you Latitude.
According to the Washington Post, Trump said:
“I’m not sure that I agree with certain countries with what they are doing. They are losing a lot of power. I am talking about the powering of a plant.
It doesn’t always work with a windmill. When the wind goes off, the plant isn’t working. It doesn’t always work with solar because solar [is] just not strong enough, and a lot of them want to go to wind, which has caused a lot of problems.
Wind doesn’t work for the most part without subsidy. The United States is paying tremendous amounts of subsidies for wind. I don’t like it. I don’t like it.”
Trump understands the fatal flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation. Anyone with common sense should be able to understand this fact.
We have known this reality for decades, and published our conclusions 17 years ago, in 2002 (see below).
So what is wrong with the rest of our political leaders, the ones who are promoting intermittent wind and solar power? Are they really that stupid, and/or are they lying to us to promote darker political objectives? Either way, these imbeciles and/or liars are unfit for public office.
In 2002 we published this conclusion:
“The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
We also published in the same document:
“Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
It is past time for Trump to initiate Will Happer’s review of climate science, which I am confident will verify that climate sensitivity to increasing atmospheric CO2 is so low that the allegations of a catastrophic global warming crisis are false.
Reference: APEGA’s “Debate on the Kyoto Accord”, published in the PEGG November 2002, reprinted by other professional journals, The Globe and Mail and La Presse
by Sallie Baliunas, Tim Patterson and Allan MacRae, November 2002
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf
You’d a thunk the MSM (i.., Main Scream Media) would a jumped all over that. Ooh… I forgot, reporting ‘news’ is no longer within their purview. Newspapers are now Mediapapers, News Organizations are now Media Organizations, and so on… guess we’ll soon see the ‘Nightly News’ renamed to the ‘Nightly Media Report’. Don’t cha just love the new speak? :<)
Renewable energy… in an intermittent, unreliable, and expensive sort of way.
When Obama told lies about climate change everyone backed him.
When Trump tells the truth about climate change everyone condemns him.
Funny old game, climate change. %^(
Oh, the irony!
More , please !
Users of wind and solar based power quickly learn,you base your activity of power availability.
Gone are the days of reliable on demand power.
You do not just throw the switch,perform the chosen task and then forget about it.
You instead,check the weather,estimate the likely-hood of it remaining as is and then proceed.
Or you go out and fire up the diesel genset so you can be certain of completing your task.
With the added bonus of bulk charging your battery bank.
Every person who I have wired up Solar and wind systems for,has learnt the hard way.
Our modern way of life,where we use electricity as a servant at will, is not possible with only solar panels and a wind driven generator.
Funny how well our Grandparents knew this,in the days before the national grid reached many.
In fact I know it – I can remember growing up on the farm in rural South Dakota in the late 40’s. We had a “wind charger” that would charge up a bank of DC batteries. We used the power at night for a few lights. When the wind didn’t blow for a few days we had to break out the kerosene lamps. A wind mill pumped water from the well for the livestock and we had a raised storage tank for water supply for the farm house.
The only valid use of wind power, water pumping and battery charging for minimal on site lighting uses.
Well known 80 years ago.
My grand dad with his 6 sons erected over 1,000 windmills. Starting 100 years ago.
All of them were replaced with electric pumps except out on ranches a mile or more from electricity. My company was involved with getting Enron into wind. California
Our daughter into Doctorate EE Power systems rebuilding the grid, …every one wants juice, reliability, and economical. Every source that gets a green light from greenie weenies will at some point get sued by greenie weenies.
Old Enron wind farm California I heard was run down or even shut down. I know it was forced to shut down twice a year for bird migration.
One of my professions is accounting. I am working on a spread sheet that breaks out the fixed and variable cost portions of virtue signalling in our electric bill.
Now that’ll get their goat! I await their hateful over the top reaction.
In 1850 Karl Marx wanted to overthrow global capitalism and replace it with ‘the dictatorship of the proletariate’. And by 1920 or so Lenin had succeeded in doing that in the USSR, with disastrous results for the citizens until the USSR imploded 70 years later.
The UNFCCC wants to overthrow global capitalism and replace it with ‘the dictatorship of the climatariate’. See the difference? Expect the result to be any different? No, I didn’t think so!
As of today, the USA cannot put an astronaut on the ISS. The USA has to depend on Russia (former USSR) for this service.
That will change by the end of Trump’s second term, assuming he gets one.
Private industry will provide that and many other space-based services for the U.S. in the near future. Russia us using old, cold-war technology that is not being replaced.
Remember it was an incompetent political and bureaucratic class that didn’t plan for the post-space shuttle period. Socialism (in)action.
If it were approved, the USA via Elon Musk could put astronauts on the ISS via the Dragon Capsule. Works for cargo and astronauts would become cargo.
Keith, so what?
Until very recently space travel was a government monopoly in the US.
All you are managing to do is prove Boyfrom Tottenham’s point about how governments routinely make a mess of things.
The only thing that’s different are the new lies for old. Communism has always been built on lies.
Those are my thoughts.
Many moons ago my brother around 6 came back from church and announced that “Mummy was the root of all evil”. We all giggled.
In the medieval periods the Meme was: “Heretics are the root of all evil”
In the 1900s+ Russia the Meme was “Capitalism is the root of all evil”.
In 1930s Germany the Meme was “Jews are the root of all evil”
Recently and continuing in the middle east the Meme is “Infidels are the root of all evil”.
Today we have “CO2 is the root of all evil”. The modern Meme.
They all have a common link with the same propensity to create carnage and horrific turmoil usually based on the principle that “The end justifies the means” which drives out all considerations of civilised behaviour and are driven by the few, hell bent on grasping control over the many.
It does seem that history repeats itself; so what are we going to do about this modern CO2 Meme? Can we break the link?
I like the phrase “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes,”
“Mummy was the root of all evil”
Brendan Frasier agrees
Must be why the Church keeps passing around the Tithing Plate
President Trump is not an intellectual and he doesn’t work from theories. Because of that, he’s much more likely to notice the glaringly obvious things that the abstraction-loving Democrats completely miss.
There was an excellent piece on The Agenda with Walter Russell Mead discussing American foreign policy under President Trump. link Mead comes as close to ‘getting’ Trump as anyone else I have heard.
Observation trumps theory nine times out of ten.
“President Trump is not an intellectual”
Well aside from the ten billion dollar real estate company (actually building things not just shuffling money around till you are rich Jamie Dimon approach), the Masters Degree in business from the most presitigous business school in the country, the President’s uncle was a professor at MIT for decades, worked on radar with the English … during WW II. Trump is clearly one of the most intelligent President’s this nation has been blessed with in many years.
Ah, British RADAR. The Germans were being too “precise”, the Brits simply “knocked” the “tuning” in…by hammer. Seriously. The Germans wasted time on “precision” rather than actual function. And they lost in that space.
Many years ago I read that the greatest gift of the UK to US industry during the war years was the cavity magnetron . Although earlier and more primitive versions , for microwave generation existed , it was vastly improved by Randall and Boot at Birmingham (England , not Alabama) . Read what Wiki says :
“The cavity magnetron was radically improved by John Randall and Harry Boot in 1940 at the University of Birmingham, England.[4] They invented a valve that could produce multi-kilowatt pulses at 10 cm wavelength, an unprecedented invention.[5] The high power of pulses from their device made centimeter-band radar practical for the Allies of World War II, with shorter wavelength radars allowing detection of smaller objects from smaller antennas. The compact cavity magnetron tube drastically reduced the size of radar sets[6] so that they could be more easily installed in night-fighter aircraft, anti-submarine aircraft[7] and escort ships.[6]”
British radar , not generated with a hammer, but with British intellectual effort.
I said “tuned”…and it was with said “hammer”…or a simple “tap”…
I’ve heard from several sources that over engineering was a constant problem with the German war effort. The weapons were wonders of engineering, however they took to long to build so there was never enough of them on the battlefield.
In a few cases they got it right. I can’t find the link but they were able to crank out fighter aircraft faster than the Americans thought was possible. This was because they had heavy presses that could make single piece structural elements that the Americans had to fabricate out of many pieces. After the war, this gave rise to the American Heavy Press Program.
The Germans also produced submachine guns from stamped metal at a very fast rate and surprisingly accurately. link
Ha! Woodrow Wilson was an “intellectual” I’ll go with the person with demonstrated real world experience and proficiency over the “intellectual” that lived their life and formed their opinions in the bubble of the Ivory towers every time.
There’s a YUGE difference between being intelligent and being an intellectual.
Because nobody holds intellectuals responsible for their bad predictions and bad advice, they are dangerous.
Nassim Nicholas Talib has written Skin in the Game.
President Trump understand the world because it matters to him big time. He puts his money where his mouth is.
Trump may not be100% accurate but he knows which way the wind blows.
Unfortunately when he does not know which way the wind blows, his baldness shows:
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Trump is also signaling the Green Weenie Germans: “Go ahead. Destroy your economy. The US will just eat your lunch…and breakfast….and dinner.”
And schnapps.
Renewable drivers, nonrenewable converters are a niche solution.
One small wind farm is a novelty. Miles and miles of windfarms is visual pollution. So many idle at a time.
Batteries? Ha!
A veritable green blight.
THIS is why I love President Trump! He actually tells the truth, which enrages Democrats and leftists everywhere.
Cut the subsidies
How can these subsidies, over the duration of 20 year contracts, be economically justifiable? Where are the actuaries on this expenditure?
If people are really serious about reducing the use of fossil fuels they should be advocating the gradual replacement of fossil fuel powered power plants with nuclear power plants.
The GreenSlime’s directed need to destroy nuclear power gives away their game.
The GreenSlime’s game is to create a new energy infrastructure that funnels vast amounts of money into their pockets. While they pay-off Democrats to deliver their goods via heavy fossil fuel taxes and subsidies to wind and PV solar. Wind and solar schemes are their game to an un-ending wealth stream. It’s their hustle to fleece the vast middle-class into serfdom, and save fossil fuels for their private jets and yachts for their grandchildren.
And thus nuclear power must die in their eyes.
In San Diego we are being bombarded with messages urging restricted power use during 4-9 PM. Why? The reason they give is to “save money.” Now, of course I will lower my power bill if I use less power. But since SDGE is raising the KWH rate during 4-9 PM, I WILL SAVE EVEN MORE MONEY! Wow! What a deal. Although California’s power situation is very complex, it’s made even worse by the mandated conversion to renewables (wind, solar, not hydro (NO DAMS FOR YOU!!)) . Also, overbearing regulations have limited the construction of new gas-fired power plants to fill in for the 4-9PM period, which the commercials call, in a sad tone, “our down time”. Yep, sun goes down and the wind speed drops about 4. So, faced with peak demand 4-9 and decreasing supply from the solar roof, solar farms, and wind farms, SDGE has to purchase power from places that can generate it, like AZ and NV. At high rates. Although I must admit SDGE is reputed to better job than PGE and Edison. But, to paraphrase the ending of Chinatown, “Forget It Eric, it’s California.’
The IPCC SR1.5 was dismissed in a scholarly way by several experts – “not a suitable basis for policy making “. So why is it still around? I’m one of the rare people who has actually read it. Weird. 11.5 years to no coal and the bond market didn’t tremble. So no one believes it in the real world.
” clear headed observations which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.” Quite right, but there’s your problem already, with at least half and probably more of the population.
The cost to produce electricity with Thorium generators should be about 40% less than Advanced Nuclear and about 30 % less than from Coal (with scrubbers). Solar generation is about 4 times more expensive (without subsidies) Wind power is cheaper when the wind blows, but the generation capacity has to be there even when the wind doesn’t blow, so the only gain from wind power is to lessen the mining or extraction of carbon. In addition, wind power kills birds, the free yearly quota of allowable Bald Eagle kills was upped from 1200 to 4200 during the Obama administration. (https://lenbilen.com/2019/04/12/what-is-more-precious-babies-eagles-or-fighting-climate-change/). Golden Eagles and a few other rare birds has a quarter of a million dollar fine associated with their kills. If wind power is increased without finding a solution to the bird kills, whole species may be extinct. Solar power is, and will be used in special applications such as on roofs for backup and peak power assist. Hydroelectric power is for all practical purpose maxed out, so nearly all future increase must come from Coal, Natural Gas, Petroleum or Nuclear. Thorium powered Nuclear Generators is the way to go.