President Trump Slams Renewable Energy at the G20

Official White House Photo of President Trump

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

President Trump has criticised other countries for pursuing technology which doesn’t work.

Trump rejects need for climate action at G-20: US has ‘cleanest’ water and air ‘we’ve ever had’

BY ARIS FOLLEY – 06/29/19 04:08 PM EDT

President Trump broke with the Group of 20 (G-20) nations on the need for climate change action on Saturday, saying the United States has the “cleanest water we have ever had.”

Speaking to reporters on Saturday, Trump said, “I’m not sure that I agree with certain countries with what they are doing. They are losing a lot of power. I am talking about the powering of a plant.”

“It doesn’t always work with a windmill. When the wind goes off, the plant isn’t working. It doesn’t always work with solar because solar [is] just not strong enough, and a lot of them want to go to wind, which has caused a lot of problems,” he continued, according to The Washington Post.

Wind doesn’t work for the most part without subsidy. The United States is paying tremendous amounts of subsidies for wind. I don’t like it. I don’t like it,” he added.

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/451021-trump-rejects-need-for-climate-action-at-g-20-us-has-the-cleanest

Well said Mr. President – clear headed observations which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

119 thoughts on “President Trump Slams Renewable Energy at the G20

    • No exit from the UN Climate Protocol. No “Red Science” team formally in place.

      Triangulation against Greenshirt extremists means you’re one election away from a Green Tryanny being empowered. They have complete blueprint.

      This is hardly winning.

      • Really? America exited UNCP, Science Redteam is in action right now. EPA taking a deep a$$ f**king as we speak. The winning, it just keeps coming and that makes you cry. Sweet.

        • A very rosy view not supported by facts. Have the subsides from wind, solar or Elon Musk been reduced? Can’t touch Ethanol, a founding crony junk science industry.

          Does the US remain in the UN Climate Framework?

          I see Happer working in very marginalized fashion.

          I’m sorry, it’s very marginal results that are one election from total eradication. The Greenshirt’s are a solid block while at least half of skeptics are politically obtuse, skeptics in name only. This hasn’t earned a solid political commitment from the President.

          The Vichy Skeptics. They’re almost Climate Change collaborators if you consider their nuances. Denouncing the entire premise of CAGW, denouncing the government science cartel (consensus) is what is required. It’s a totalitarian globalist design, skeptics have to accept that truth but would rather waste years debating agenda data that warmists and leftist media control the flow of.

          The President should do more and apolitical skeptic should be sent to the back row.

          • Ahhh! You gonna cry? All your ecotard crap is getting pitched out and not a damned thing you can do to stop it. And Trumps next 4 years are going to be Glorious for all the human race. Except tards like you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!

  1. Warmist’s believe, if you say there’s a catastrophe coming enough times, climate illiterates among us will begin to believe it! Never mind that scientific observations disagree with the gloom and doom theory!

    • They believe because it works. When you have the Propaganda Ministry which includes the Primary Media Outlets and the scriptwriters in hollywood and the institutions of higher learning promoting the same narrative you do not need science or facts on you side.

      Government Controlled Public School systems actively create dumbed down Social Justice Warriors who can barely tie their own shoes without a smart phone and what you have is a voting majority that would make Lincoln cry. A new fool category “most of the people all of the time.

  2. All the vain leaders (Macron, Trudeau…etc) publically laugh at President Trump but in their hearts they envy him.

  3. Oh gawd…here it comes.
    (Running outside to cover my flowers from the goo of exploding liberal heads all over the neighborhood)

  4. But Trump has yet to actually do anything about doing away with mandates and the production credits that keep “renewables” a profitable industry. And Trump has gone in for biofuel requirements in a big way, which is another useless bit of virtue signalling.

    • Trump is not a dictator.
      Why should Trump take on numerous powerful lobbies right now? Think off all the people who are making money off this green nonsense.
      He has other issues to worry about.

    • Not for lack of trying:
      “Last week, Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration was seeking to cut funding for the Department of Energy’s Office of Energy Efficiency & Renewable Energy. So far, they haven’t issued an official proposal, but this wouldn’t be the first time that the administration has looked to slash federal programs subsidizing renewable energy and energy efficiency research. The last time Trump tried, Congress rebuffed his budget proposal.“
      https://www.insidesources.com/us-still-subsidizing-renewable-energy-to-the-tune-of-nearly-7-billion/

      The biofuel situation was political expediency. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep voting groups happy.

    • Nah… biofuels are indirect farm subsides. Nothing more, and nothing less. Since ensuring our farmers are doing well is good for the nation as a whole, and since adding a bit of ethanol to gasoline serves to reduce its pyrochemical output of nasty combustion products … its win-win. Just saying,
      GoatGuy ✓

    • Tom
      The PTCs (Production Tax Credits) and ITCs (Investment Tax Credits wind down in a few months … end of 2019.
      Dirt not turned for construction before December 31 means an abrupt cessation to much of this foolishness.

    • Just politics, unfortunately. Iowa caucuses ETC. I had hoped for better so I didn’t have to buy gas for my garden tools at Home Depot to get ethanol free gas.

    • Tom Halla
      June 30, 2019 at 5:32 pm
      ———————–
      Tom.
      You really missing the point, the beauty of the point, in the consideration of biofuel in
      the USA.
      D. J. Trump, the POTUS, has just removed the red tape on biofuel. Period.

      The simple question here to consider:
      “why such costly red tape regulation imposed there in the first place,
      why the competitive value of the farmers involved was so much curtailed and insulated from proper free trade competition!
      Why?! Why such a draconian centralization control from the previous governments?!”

      And the answer is simple… you just got to figure it out… if you could consider and value the proper meaning of the free trade.

      Cheers

  5. Meanwhile,The Australian has the story “Climate put in ‘too hard’ basket “ ( June 29/30).-
    “Formal discussion of a landmark scientific report on the dangers of 1.5C Warming has been scrubbed from climate talks forever after countries could not agree at this week’s summit in Bonn on how to deal with it.
    Saudi Arabia led a push to question the science underpinning the IPCC report and other countries decided to close the debate rather than push on.It was an acrimonious end in Bonn; Brazil continued to derail talks on how international carbon trading should be conducted….”
    It seems that President Trump is not alone in opposing a world carbon treaty, and the rush to renewables.

    • I told you guys that alarmists were running away from the UN IPCC SR15; its demands were so insane that nobody could defend it. When Saudi Arabia wanted to discuss the science, the one-world scammers shut down discussion and buried valid criticisms forever.

  6. Apr 22, 2019
    Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive, New Study Finds

    Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael…/#17244b084f59

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    JUNE 3, 2019
    Study Finds Wind and Solar 2 to 3 Times More Expensive Than Existing Generation Resources

    https://www.instituteforenergyresear…ion-resources/

    ==========
    Feb 8, 2019
    The average LCOEs from existing coal ($41), cc gas ($36), nuclear ($33), and hydro ($38) resources are less than half the cost of new wind resources ($90) or new PV solar resources ($88.7) with imposed costs included.

    https://canadafreepress.com/images/u…IER060419A.jpg

      • It is not just wasting money on stupid schemes that will never work.

        We have allowed the idiots to hide the green scheme’s critical engineering failure point.

        Note it is an engineering fact the green schemes absolutely fail when power storage is required.

        The cost of the green scheme becomes vertical at the point when power storage is required. Power a steel mill with batteries for three weeks?

        At that point the energy cost to construct both battery storage, energy cost to construct wind turbines, and the energy to construct and operate more hydrocarbon power stations for backup is so high the scheme no longer reduces human CO2 emissions.

    • Latitude
      The June 19 “Today In Energy” column from the EIA contained a new category … ANGCC – Advanced Natural Gas Combined Cycle.
      These are essentially the newest iterations of Frame H turbines.

      Incredibly efficient.

      The global buildout of fast, cheap LNG import terminals by way of FSRUs (Floating Storage and Regasification Units) coupled with modular-build new gas plants is leading to an expensive upsurge in gas production and power generation.

    • Excellent comments, thank you Latitude.

      According to the Washington Post, Trump said:
      “I’m not sure that I agree with certain countries with what they are doing. They are losing a lot of power. I am talking about the powering of a plant.
      It doesn’t always work with a windmill. When the wind goes off, the plant isn’t working. It doesn’t always work with solar because solar [is] just not strong enough, and a lot of them want to go to wind, which has caused a lot of problems.
      Wind doesn’t work for the most part without subsidy. The United States is paying tremendous amounts of subsidies for wind. I don’t like it. I don’t like it.”

      Trump understands the fatal flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation. Anyone with common sense should be able to understand this fact.
      We have known this reality for decades, and published our conclusions 17 years ago, in 2002 (see below).

      So what is wrong with the rest of our political leaders, the ones who are promoting intermittent wind and solar power? Are they really that stupid, and/or are they lying to us to promote darker political objectives? Either way, these imbeciles and/or liars are unfit for public office.

      In 2002 we published this conclusion:

      “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

      We also published in the same document:

      “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”

      It is past time for Trump to initiate Will Happer’s review of climate science, which I am confident will verify that climate sensitivity to increasing atmospheric CO2 is so low that the allegations of a catastrophic global warming crisis are false.

      Reference: APEGA’s “Debate on the Kyoto Accord”, published in the PEGG November 2002, reprinted by other professional journals, The Globe and Mail and La Presse
      by Sallie Baliunas, Tim Patterson and Allan MacRae, November 2002
      http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

    • You’d a thunk the MSM (i.., Main Scream Media) would a jumped all over that. Ooh… I forgot, reporting ‘news’ is no longer within their purview. Newspapers are now Mediapapers, News Organizations are now Media Organizations, and so on… guess we’ll soon see the ‘Nightly News’ renamed to the ‘Nightly Media Report’. Don’t cha just love the new speak? :<)

  7. When Obama told lies about climate change everyone backed him.

    When Trump tells the truth about climate change everyone condemns him.

    Funny old game, climate change. %^(

  8. Users of wind and solar based power quickly learn,you base your activity of power availability.
    Gone are the days of reliable on demand power.
    You do not just throw the switch,perform the chosen task and then forget about it.
    You instead,check the weather,estimate the likely-hood of it remaining as is and then proceed.
    Or you go out and fire up the diesel genset so you can be certain of completing your task.
    With the added bonus of bulk charging your battery bank.

    Every person who I have wired up Solar and wind systems for,has learnt the hard way.
    Our modern way of life,where we use electricity as a servant at will, is not possible with only solar panels and a wind driven generator.
    Funny how well our Grandparents knew this,in the days before the national grid reached many.

    • In fact I know it – I can remember growing up on the farm in rural South Dakota in the late 40’s. We had a “wind charger” that would charge up a bank of DC batteries. We used the power at night for a few lights. When the wind didn’t blow for a few days we had to break out the kerosene lamps. A wind mill pumped water from the well for the livestock and we had a raised storage tank for water supply for the farm house.

      • The only valid use of wind power, water pumping and battery charging for minimal on site lighting uses.

        Well known 80 years ago.

        • My grand dad with his 6 sons erected over 1,000 windmills. Starting 100 years ago.

          All of them were replaced with electric pumps except out on ranches a mile or more from electricity. My company was involved with getting Enron into wind. California

          Our daughter into Doctorate EE Power systems rebuilding the grid, …every one wants juice, reliability, and economical. Every source that gets a green light from greenie weenies will at some point get sued by greenie weenies.

          Old Enron wind farm California I heard was run down or even shut down. I know it was forced to shut down twice a year for bird migration.

          One of my professions is accounting. I am working on a spread sheet that breaks out the fixed and variable cost portions of virtue signalling in our electric bill.

  9. In 1850 Karl Marx wanted to overthrow global capitalism and replace it with ‘the dictatorship of the proletariate’. And by 1920 or so Lenin had succeeded in doing that in the USSR, with disastrous results for the citizens until the USSR imploded 70 years later.
    The UNFCCC wants to overthrow global capitalism and replace it with ‘the dictatorship of the climatariate’. See the difference? Expect the result to be any different? No, I didn’t think so!

    • As of today, the USA cannot put an astronaut on the ISS. The USA has to depend on Russia (former USSR) for this service.

      • Private industry will provide that and many other space-based services for the U.S. in the near future. Russia us using old, cold-war technology that is not being replaced.

        Remember it was an incompetent political and bureaucratic class that didn’t plan for the post-space shuttle period. Socialism (in)action.

      • If it were approved, the USA via Elon Musk could put astronauts on the ISS via the Dragon Capsule. Works for cargo and astronauts would become cargo.

      • Keith, so what?
        Until very recently space travel was a government monopoly in the US.
        All you are managing to do is prove Boyfrom Tottenham’s point about how governments routinely make a mess of things.

    • The only thing that’s different are the new lies for old. Communism has always been built on lies.

    • Those are my thoughts.
      Many moons ago my brother around 6 came back from church and announced that “Mummy was the root of all evil”. We all giggled.

      In the medieval periods the Meme was: “Heretics are the root of all evil”
      In the 1900s+ Russia the Meme was “Capitalism is the root of all evil”.
      In 1930s Germany the Meme was “Jews are the root of all evil”
      Recently and continuing in the middle east the Meme is “Infidels are the root of all evil”.
      Today we have “CO2 is the root of all evil”. The modern Meme.

      They all have a common link with the same propensity to create carnage and horrific turmoil usually based on the principle that “The end justifies the means” which drives out all considerations of civilised behaviour and are driven by the few, hell bent on grasping control over the many.
      It does seem that history repeats itself; so what are we going to do about this modern CO2 Meme? Can we break the link?

  10. Well said Mr. President – clear headed observations which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

    President Trump is not an intellectual and he doesn’t work from theories. Because of that, he’s much more likely to notice the glaringly obvious things that the abstraction-loving Democrats completely miss.

    There was an excellent piece on The Agenda with Walter Russell Mead discussing American foreign policy under President Trump. link Mead comes as close to ‘getting’ Trump as anyone else I have heard.

    Observation trumps theory nine times out of ten.

    • “President Trump is not an intellectual”

      Well aside from the ten billion dollar real estate company (actually building things not just shuffling money around till you are rich Jamie Dimon approach), the Masters Degree in business from the most presitigous business school in the country, the President’s uncle was a professor at MIT for decades, worked on radar with the English … during WW II. Trump is clearly one of the most intelligent President’s this nation has been blessed with in many years.

      • Ah, British RADAR. The Germans were being too “precise”, the Brits simply “knocked” the “tuning” in…by hammer. Seriously. The Germans wasted time on “precision” rather than actual function. And they lost in that space.

        • Many years ago I read that the greatest gift of the UK to US industry during the war years was the cavity magnetron . Although earlier and more primitive versions , for microwave generation existed , it was vastly improved by Randall and Boot at Birmingham (England , not Alabama) . Read what Wiki says :

          “The cavity magnetron was radically improved by John Randall and Harry Boot in 1940 at the University of Birmingham, England.[4] They invented a valve that could produce multi-kilowatt pulses at 10 cm wavelength, an unprecedented invention.[5] The high power of pulses from their device made centimeter-band radar practical for the Allies of World War II, with shorter wavelength radars allowing detection of smaller objects from smaller antennas. The compact cavity magnetron tube drastically reduced the size of radar sets[6] so that they could be more easily installed in night-fighter aircraft, anti-submarine aircraft[7] and escort ships.[6]”

          British radar , not generated with a hammer, but with British intellectual effort.

          • I said “tuned”…and it was with said “hammer”…or a simple “tap”…

        • I’ve heard from several sources that over engineering was a constant problem with the German war effort. The weapons were wonders of engineering, however they took to long to build so there was never enough of them on the battlefield.

          • In a few cases they got it right. I can’t find the link but they were able to crank out fighter aircraft faster than the Americans thought was possible. This was because they had heavy presses that could make single piece structural elements that the Americans had to fabricate out of many pieces. After the war, this gave rise to the American Heavy Press Program.

            The Germans also produced submachine guns from stamped metal at a very fast rate and surprisingly accurately. link

      • Ha! Woodrow Wilson was an “intellectual” I’ll go with the person with demonstrated real world experience and proficiency over the “intellectual” that lived their life and formed their opinions in the bubble of the Ivory towers every time.

      • There’s a YUGE difference between being intelligent and being an intellectual.

        An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about society, proposes solutions for its normative problems and gains authority as a public figure. link

        Because nobody holds intellectuals responsible for their bad predictions and bad advice, they are dangerous.

        Nassim Nicholas Talib has written Skin in the Game.

        … skin in the game is necessary for fairness, commercial efficiency, and risk management, as well as being necessary to understand the world.

        President Trump understand the world because it matters to him big time. He puts his money where his mouth is.

  11. Trump is also signaling the Green Weenie Germans: “Go ahead. Destroy your economy. The US will just eat your lunch…and breakfast….and dinner.”

    And schnapps.

  12. One small wind farm is a novelty. Miles and miles of windfarms is visual pollution. So many idle at a time.
    Batteries? Ha!

  13. THIS is why I love President Trump! He actually tells the truth, which enrages Democrats and leftists everywhere.

    • How can these subsidies, over the duration of 20 year contracts, be economically justifiable? Where are the actuaries on this expenditure?

  14. If people are really serious about reducing the use of fossil fuels they should be advocating the gradual replacement of fossil fuel powered power plants with nuclear power plants.

    • The GreenSlime’s directed need to destroy nuclear power gives away their game.

      The GreenSlime’s game is to create a new energy infrastructure that funnels vast amounts of money into their pockets. While they pay-off Democrats to deliver their goods via heavy fossil fuel taxes and subsidies to wind and PV solar. Wind and solar schemes are their game to an un-ending wealth stream. It’s their hustle to fleece the vast middle-class into serfdom, and save fossil fuels for their private jets and yachts for their grandchildren.

      And thus nuclear power must die in their eyes.

  15. In San Diego we are being bombarded with messages urging restricted power use during 4-9 PM. Why? The reason they give is to “save money.” Now, of course I will lower my power bill if I use less power. But since SDGE is raising the KWH rate during 4-9 PM, I WILL SAVE EVEN MORE MONEY! Wow! What a deal. Although California’s power situation is very complex, it’s made even worse by the mandated conversion to renewables (wind, solar, not hydro (NO DAMS FOR YOU!!)) . Also, overbearing regulations have limited the construction of new gas-fired power plants to fill in for the 4-9PM period, which the commercials call, in a sad tone, “our down time”. Yep, sun goes down and the wind speed drops about 4. So, faced with peak demand 4-9 and decreasing supply from the solar roof, solar farms, and wind farms, SDGE has to purchase power from places that can generate it, like AZ and NV. At high rates. Although I must admit SDGE is reputed to better job than PGE and Edison. But, to paraphrase the ending of Chinatown, “Forget It Eric, it’s California.’

  16. The IPCC SR1.5 was dismissed in a scholarly way by several experts – “not a suitable basis for policy making “. So why is it still around? I’m one of the rare people who has actually read it. Weird. 11.5 years to no coal and the bond market didn’t tremble. So no one believes it in the real world.

  17. ” clear headed observations which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.” Quite right, but there’s your problem already, with at least half and probably more of the population.

  18. The cost to produce electricity with Thorium generators should be about 40% less than Advanced Nuclear and about 30 % less than from Coal (with scrubbers). Solar generation is about 4 times more expensive (without subsidies) Wind power is cheaper when the wind blows, but the generation capacity has to be there even when the wind doesn’t blow, so the only gain from wind power is to lessen the mining or extraction of carbon. In addition, wind power kills birds, the free yearly quota of allowable Bald Eagle kills was upped from 1200 to 4200 during the Obama administration. (https://lenbilen.com/2019/04/12/what-is-more-precious-babies-eagles-or-fighting-climate-change/). Golden Eagles and a few other rare birds has a quarter of a million dollar fine associated with their kills. If wind power is increased without finding a solution to the bird kills, whole species may be extinct. Solar power is, and will be used in special applications such as on roofs for backup and peak power assist. Hydroelectric power is for all practical purpose maxed out, so nearly all future increase must come from Coal, Natural Gas, Petroleum or Nuclear. Thorium powered Nuclear Generators is the way to go.

  19. That is why the GreenSlime is throwing everything they have to defeat Trump.

    The GreenSlime’s very financial lifeblood depends on being the Green Vampire Squid on the face of the middle class with higher electricity rates and crony-capitalism subsidies from taxpayers.

    And that is why we must do everything to see that Trump wins. Not because we agree with everything he says and does, but because the alternative, the other side, is bonkers gone total insanity and each day they promise a descent into a socialist Utopia like Venezuela Hell.

  20. With each minor weather event being hyped by the Climate Alarmists, as evidence of catastrophic climate change driven by man made CO2 (how could we even do that) we are shown the methodology they have adopted, and see the increasing urgency of their false claims.
    After the one day “heat wave” experienced here in the UK on Saturday it is disappointing to report Sunday was normal and pleasant and today Monday its cool even by UK summer standards.
    The number of people in France and central Europe, affected by a heat pulse coming off the Sahara was normal, but was hyped as the hottest ever recorded, following evidence from a thermometer on a roof in some little French town.
    The evidence of global warming via CO2 as claimed by the Alarminsts just isn’t there. They look to ever smaller variations from the norm to help them keep the story alive, but they are failing. The BBC and other champions of the global warming fraud will continue pushing it, because they can do no other. They have invested too much of their reputation in it to back down.
    The number of people who died “due to the heat wave in Europe” will be multiplied by the on message media. Unfortunate accidents such as drownings, and heat shock from jumping into relatively cold water after overheating or over drinking or both will make headlines.
    Some of the younger generation who have led very cosseted comfortable lives have no concept of normal climate variation. They are the ones advancing/maintaining the myth of unusual weather/climate events.
    People need to get out more, they need to enjoy the great outdoors as it was once described and stop fretting about something they can not affect or even know if they have affected, during their lifetime.
    The world needed a Trump and it needs a second term Trump to help recognise the facts from the fiction.

  21. Hmmm… 44% of German demand for electricity was met by renewable energy in the first half of 2019. German economy STILL not collapsed.

    UK got 24% renewable energy in Q1… new solar record, June 30 got 41% of demand from wind…

    • Griff, there are some days when the wind blows and some days when the sun shines. Some days both things hapen and many days neither.
      Now in this part of the world we like to have reliable energy 24/7 which means we have reliable generation systems freewheeling waiting for the wind to drop or the sun to go down at which point they power up the grid.
      Now the question is, why would any sane world have two forms of energy? One of which is unreliable, when the one reliable form is already there and has worked well for over seventy five years?

      • If Germany were to disconnect from the rest of the European grid, it’s grid would collapse in a matter of days.

    • German electricity is much more expensive than most other countries.
      Your belief that because something hasn’t collapsed yet, it will never collapse is so darn cute.

    • AND, IF Germany had eliminated all other sources of generation, only around 32% of their population would have access to that vaunted energy source. The Hoi Polloi would be basting in the Heat of day and Shivvvvering in the Dark Cold of Night without sufficient energy sources.
      Further, if Transportation had been 100% electric and all fossil sources eliminated, then only around 10% would have access to energy.

    • And Griff, your point is?

      Blowing up East Tilbury power station which was running on coal and running Drax on woodchips costs money and pushes up electricity prices and reduces reliability. For what benefit?

      EXPLAIN please.

      • As you have no doubt figure out by now griffie does not explain, it just spews, and not very effectively at that.

  22. “Both Mr Worrall and Mr Watts need life threatening experiences if they do anything but say that such behaviour by the USA is way beyond unacceptable.”

    Are you seriously threatening the author’s life if he doesn’t agree with you?

    [that comment was removed. Mod.]

  23. I could see from this excerpt and certainly from the main article that something about the air quality issue didn’t look right…

    The Hill article links to an article in NYT that in turn quotes the associated press which quotes an EPA report on worsening air quality in 2017. This practice of linking articles which link further articles in successively deeper layers should be given a name (link archaeology/link mining?). It’s what the left so in order to hide inconvenient truths- and the last desperate ploy they use is to bury the the truth right at the end of the article because they can’t bear to admit it. Here’s the truth regarding the uptick in US air pollution in 2017:

    “In an email, the EPA told The Associated Press the increase in unhealthy air days in 2017 “is largely associated with wildfires” in the west and it is studying 2018 before officially announcing its annual air trend data.”

    This was buried at the bottom of the NYT article (linked by The Hill) which itself cited the Associated Press which in turn quoted the EPA email sent to them. It’s crucial to understanding the uptick in air pollution in 2017 which averaged one extra day for the 500 or so metropolitan sites surveyed. That of course chimes with an uptick in air pollution as the smoke drifts over nearby towns in random directions.

    Moreover, the reason for the fires did after all turn out to be due to a lack of raking as a recent CA report showed and as President Trump had said all along.

    Can we think up a name for this ploy of forcing us to dig down, link after link, article after article until we find the truth placed reluctantly at the bottom of the bottom layer?(always at the end of a long article implying the opposite in the hopes you won’t read to the end).

    With a pithy name for it that everyone understands (like the way straw man is well understood) it means they can be called out in a couple of words. I say this because I’m constantly mining down through these links to find the truth at the bottom which bears no relation to the claim in the top layer. It’s a very common ploy. NYT is the worst offender, so much so that the fourth or fifth layer sometimes links back to a previous NYT article. I suspect their journalists don’t just pick this up, I think they’re proactively taught it.

    • You already said it – “bury the truth”, so call it “truth burying” for short. “Truthbury” could even be the verb, as in “he truthburied it”.

      • Thanks, good try but I’m thinking more about the method of truth burying in this particular case i.e. using layer upon layer of links. I don’t think many people realise this is a well used method; they just believe there’s one link they could click on to be shown definitive proof of NYT’s (or others’) argument and don’t bother. In reality it’s several layers that lead to something completely different. It’s as if they’re laundering the truth via several stages…

        So perhaps truth laundering or fact laundering- or maybe link laundering.

        Hmm, Link Laundering with capital letters- that sounds quite pithy and gets to the point that they’re using links to achieve it. What do you think? 🤔

  24. Anthony,

    Are you going to highlight this nutty comment calling for death threats against you and Eric?

  25. That sounds disturbingly like a threat of physical harm.
    Surely not intended to be such.

  26. I am no fan of Trump (Or any politician for that matter) however, he was democratically elected and that should be enough. All the crying and gnashing of teeth by “liberals” (Lefties in Australia) should be ignored (They hate democracy). Here in Australia we are bombarded by anti-Trump articles day after day. No-one ever mentions Trump has done more in a few years than Obama did in his 8 years with North Korea. You had the chance liberals and democracy prevailed. I bet Hillary is still spitting tacks for losing an unlosable election, just like Shorten and the ALP here in Australia. I really enjoy predictions like that failing spectacularly!

    I hope Americans vote with sense again and usher in another term for Trump. Just to give those left leaning career lawyer politicians a sharp punch on the nose and a return to reality.

    • Fifty years ago I learnt not to trust either politicians or the media. The years since have simply confirmed my judgement. The sober reality is that in 20 years today’s fiercest critics of Trump will have to admit that he was nowhere near as incompetent as they portray him. However, Obama’s staunchest defenders will have to admit that their hero was nowhere near as great as they have portrayed him. We need a sober judgement on both politicians and climate claims.

  27. “Wind doesn’t work for the most part without subsidy.
    The United States is paying tremendous amounts of subsidies for wind.”

    Because the critics of Trump believe he is a buffoon, totally incompetent and an ignoramus, they immediately discredit every claim he makes. However, if these two claims he makes are true, then perhaps certain other claims he makes about climate are also true. If the critics cannot produce both verifiable evidence that these claims are false and show that their reasoning is sound and logical, why should we believe them?

    • Yes, certain other claims he makes about the climate are indeed true. The most aggressively fought slap-down of a correct statement was directly after his Paris Agreement speech on 1st June 2017 in which he said the US was quitting the Agreement.

      He cited MIT research saying the Paris Agreement commitments would result in a 0.2°C reduction in temperature in 2100. This was absolutely correct.

      His speech needed at about 3:45PM EDT. By 6PM, Reuters were first to press with a critical article on the 0.2°C claim. Between 3:45 and 6:00PM they had interviewed the lead author of the 0.2°C study as well as a co-author. They were quoted in the Reuter’s article. All their comments were critical. They didn’t mention the 0.2°C report they’d authored a year before with the 0.2°C claim put in pride of place as a key finding. Instead, Reuters walked away with another report (authored by one of the two interviewees) which bore no relationship to the 0.2°C. Instead, it cited a different set of commitments leading to up to 1.1°C. Reuters linked this report in their 6PM article and it went viral round the world in minutes. It made Trump look as if he was making the 0.2°C up even though Reuters had interviewed the lead author of the correct report, who presumably never mentioned it to Reuters.

      MIT then produced a statement towards midnight in which they tacitly acknowledged the correct report without mentioning its name or linking it. So between 6PM and midnight the lead author of the correct paper suddenly remembered his own paper with the “key finding” of 0.2°C and referred to that research in the MIT statement.

      Reuters never made a correction to their article nor apologised for their error. That error appears to have been a forced error based on the two MIT authors either neglecting to mention the correct paper when asked or genuinely forgetting it existed in a stunning lapse of collective memory loss. It appears that when they did apparently remember it hours later during the drafting of their statement, they didn’t immediately phone Reuters to tell them of their terrible mistake.

      Throughout that evening one of the two authors was tweeting that there was no way he was going to let Trump use his research to promote leaving the Paris Agreement. His Twitter feed before and since that day has been a screed of anti-Trump bile.

      Full information about that day and the astonishing incompetence of MIT is here, fully researched and fully referenced:

      https://investigativeanalysis.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/on-trump-and-mits-on-the-order-of-1-degree-celsius/

  28. Now if he would understand that ethanol is just as great a scam as any other “renewable”. Round and round and round they go, using diesel to plant, fertilize, apply weed and insect killers and harvest corn ethanol which provides fewer mpgs than gas does, and pollutes the environment more as well. If the ozone is up, guess why? Same goes for soy diesel. Planting, fertilizing, applying weed killers and insecticides and harvesting the beans to turn around and put it back in the tractor to repeat the process. There is no point to it. They are running in circles

  29. I am proud to have supported, albeit vicariously, Donald Trump for President. But, then I made Stephan harper Prime Miinster of Canada and where did THAT get us? Andy 2% Scheer!

    Canadians! Vote PPC and Mad max! End this climate madness!

    Can I throw in a few more exclamation marks just for good effect?!!!!!!!!!

    It’s July 1st. and Dominion of Canada Day, a time to celebrate!

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