Guest essay by Eric Worrall
After the excruciating embarrassment of having so many no shows for their first climate crisis meeting Republicans managed to adjourn the session, Democrats have finally decided to pretend to do something about climate change.
The following from the Democrat head of the committee Kathy Castor (h/t Breitbart);
“Hello, I’m Representative Kathy Castor from Florida, and I chair the House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis.
This week, the House passed the first major legislation to address the climate crisis in nearly 10 years. And it won’t be the last, because we are committed to passing climate legislation that works for The People, not the corporate polluters.
The Climate Action Now Act is a straightforward bill I sponsored that prevents the Trump Administration from breaking America’s commitment and leaving the Paris Climate Agreement.
We need to stay in this agreement because it was a major breakthrough. After years of finger-pointing, the United States, China, India, Europe and countries all around the world came together and agreed to cut carbon pollution dramatically.
Support for the landmark agreement is overwhelming. A bipartisan group of 23 Governors, nearly 300 cities, and more than 2,000 businesses pledged to honor the Paris climate goals. Now they’ve been joined by the U.S. House of Representatives.
But we know this is just a first step. To address the climate crisis, we need to stop carbon pollution from accumulating in our atmosphere. That requires action. Urgent action. Ambitious action.
We simply don’t have any more time for denial or delay. An entire generation has grown up in a rapidly warming world and we are personally experiencing the harm. Scientists say it will get worse, unless we act.
I know. A year and a half ago, I boarded up my home, packed my belongings and fled with my family as that monster Hurricane Irma loomed off the coast of Florida. We were petrified of a devastating storm surge from the Gulf of Mexico and Tampa Bay.
We were lucky because we had time to get out of the way.
But for too many Americans, the climate crisis is inescapable.
Seas are rising. America’s heartland and coasts have suffered unprecedented floods. Snowpack is shrinking and droughts are getting worse. Hot, humid heat waves are becoming more intense, with more days where people cannot safely work outside or play outside. And higher temperatures mean that other pollutants, like ground-level ozone from car exhaust are growing even more damaging to our health.
The bottom line is that the climate crisis is costing us. It’s increasing the cost of our health care, our flood and fire insurance, and it’s making costly weather disasters even worse. So we need to cut carbon pollution for the people in our communities, and because we need to do it to create incredible economic opportunities.Already, more than 3.2 million Americans are working in clean energy jobs. We can do more and make those quality, family-sustaining jobs that are accessible to everyone.
And we can save people money on energy. Efficiency standards will save us $2 trillion by 2030. And fuel economy standards for our cars are saving the average household $2,800 a year at the pump.
I believe in American ingenuity and leadership. When America leads, people, countries and businesses across the globe are inspired to do more.But the Trump Administration has been a revolving door for powerful special interests in the fossil fuel lobby. That’s why the President said he wants to take us backwards and cut and run from our commitments.
But America doesn’t cut and run. America keeps its commitments.So despite what the Trump Administration says, we are still in this agreement. We have not formally withdrawn. And if – and when – this bill becomes law, we never will. Because we need climate policy that works For The People, not well-connected corporate polluters in the Trump Administration.
That’s why we’re going to cut carbon pollution, protect the people and places we love, advance climate justice, and create a clean energy economy that works for everyone.
This is just the start of climate action in this Congress.”
Source: https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/05/04/castor-we-dont-have-any-more-time-for-denial-or-delay-in-combating-climate-change/
The video of Kathy’s speech;
Well done Democrats for turning up on the right day. But they didn’t achieve much; the legislation of course is pure political theatre, it is guaranteed to be rejected either by the senate or President Trump.
The sad thing is there is an obvious emission reduction strategy Republicans would likely support – zero carbon nuclear power. President Trump is a strong supporter of Nuclear Power.
But I doubt emissions reduction is their real goal. Most greens and left wing politicians (with a few honourable exceptions) would prefer to see ongoing political stalemate over climate policy, rather than supporting an obvious unequivocally viable solution to reducing CO2 emissions which does not involve the abolition of Capitalism.
That’s an outright lie.
China and India did not “agree to cut carbon (sic) pollution”. Both said they will continue their CO2 emissions unabated until at least 2030. (Which per AOC is too late.) Of course the US is the only major nation to reduce emissions since the date of the Paris “agreement”.
Here’s another outright lie: ‘…because we are committed to passing climate legislation that works for The People, …’
That all depends on who “The People” are. It is quite likely that the group of people that she means by “The People” is somewhat different to what you or I would mean by it (the general population of the world/country/region).
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Quite correct. The nations, most of them, did indeed “come together”. That is in itself is a great achievement because the UN is doing almost nothing about anything that one can describe as “global issues” like the prevention of war and the global fight against corruption, human trafficking, drug smuggling and the tracking of the money described in the Panama Papers. Interpol is a joke, an embarrassment. They should work directly for the International Criminal Court and have global arresting powers.
Plus, we should not throw out the baby with the bath water: global problems need global solutions and there is no beating around the bush about it: we have to cooperate, as we already do on some things.
Secondly, such problem solution mechanisms have to be representative of the people of the planet. It cannot just be some self-appointed “experts” who decide what to rule or order or demand or prescribe for “everyone else”. They have to be elected. A “green group” demanding “climate action” is nothing more than a special interest group. History shows that when special interest groups have influence, the result is invariably bad. That goes for special interest oil, steel, food, chemical and other interests.
Third, the over-reaction against anything to do with global governance (even here on WUWT) is unreasonable – lots of things are decided by working together on global issues such as ISO standards, telecommunications, Law of the Sea, border adjustments, water management and so on. People, please stop protesting that there should be no global governance of global things, while simultaneously benefiting from the work of hundreds of global management bodies that make the world a much better and safer place.
Now, the speech:
“…prevents the Trump Administration from breaking America’s commitment and leaving the Paris Climate Agreement.”
“America” did not “commit to the Paris Climate Agreement”. The US Government has a constitution which set forth who decides what America the country agrees to. For anything international, this is the Senate. The Senate never agreed to commit to the Paris Accord. They were not even asked. The government of the USA did not agree to the terms and conditions of the Paris Accord. One President did, and the next President changed the opinion of that Office.
Whether that was a good or bad move is a separate matter from whether or not “America” committed to the Accord.
Next, the “agreement” was that some nations would dramatically cut their carbon-dioxide emissions and others would not. Those who were not cutting, agreed to accept money from those that are considered rich. China, the biggest emitter, agreed that the Western countries would cut emissions, and that they would be paid to work on it, but they did not agree to reduce national emissions. After about 4 months from signing, China sent a note asking for the first payments to be made to them, as a “developing country.”
No wonder the current President of the USA is pulling out of whatever the previous President agreed to. It is an unreasonable “agreement” and by all accounts, would accomplish nothing more than rewarding un-elected special interests with embedded authority to collect and distribute taxes – a function normally reserved for governments. Read the Copenhagen Agreement. The overall agenda has not changed.
Lastly, the USA is the only country that has reduced its CO2 emissions in line with the Accord, though you’d never know it from all the hullabaloo about cities and states promising to meet the reductions “anyway”. They speak as if “nothing is being done”. They should look a little closer at the emission sources and sinks at the national level. If the purpose of the accord is to reduce CO2 emissions, and the USA is the only country meeting that reduction target, without signing anything or giving billions of dollars to anyone else, wheres the beef? They should read a little more and shout a little less.
Global solutions don’t require global government. Or even global organizations.
There is no testable evidence that CO2 is a problem. If anything, more CO2 is a positive due to its’ purpose in supporting photosynthesis – which plants require to grow. The whole climate system is designed to constantly be changing due to external forcing from various sources, with the Sun being the biggest contributor and driver of climate.
None of the things in your list required global government. They were all done by individual countries coming together because it is in their interests to do so.
Global government is a solution in search of a problem.
Global cooperation on common problems is vastly different from global governance. I support cooperation with like-minded, free peoples. Global governance Anti-Capitalist schemes are just that.
You support Interpol having the right to come on American soil to arrest American citizens?
I should give up my 2nd Amendment rights to global governance? The vast majority of the world’s population have no such right. Ditto free speech rights.
Should an organization like the UN have a separate standing army? Should the EU?
Is China’s system a good model for global governance? They have the most people.
I believe that global governance will be one man, one vote, once.
I could go on, but if one doesn’t understand America’s political exceptionalism, one would fall for any high-sounding scheme.
Or in blunter terms: in a global, on-man one-vote, democracy, the people of India and China will be making your law.
Rather screams for an ‘electoral college’ type solution, which the Democrats detest.
Notre Dame was/is a UNESCO World Heritage site.
It still burned up in a fire.
Some liberals believe that if they profess to care about something and sign a paper, the laws of nature are magically suspended.
Crispin: I do not equate international treaties with global governance. The difference is that nations individually consent to specific programs rather than having the global government (UN?) impose them.
The war on drugs turned 1 thousand overdose deaths a month into 10 thousand deaths a month. Trust us, the war on climate will be different.
Prohibition created the Mafia.
The War on Some Drugs created the drug clams.
drug gangs. I hate auto-correct.
Or as I prefer to think of it: Auto-corrupt.
Ah, when I first read that I was combusted.
“Of course the US is the only major nation to reduce emissions since the date of the Paris “agreement” ”
George I’ll have you know that here in the UK in East Tilbury we’ve done our bit. A month ago our PM, comrade climate crisis May blew up our power station! See. We do stupid too!
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.” Groucho Marx
“This week, the House passed the first major legislation to address the climate crisis in nearly 10 years.”
Wait… Wasn’t Obama in charge for the first EIGHT of those 10 years? And they had control of Congress until 2014.
What the hell were they DOING during all those years?
…blaming republicans
Spying on Americans, arresting journalists, borrowing from granny, saved and created wars, and planned children, to name a few others. Oh, painting the population as diverse, sexist, genderist, phobic, etc. Here’s to progress.
Obama had a pen (so I’ve heard) so they didn’t have to pass anything.
It’s too bad the Rino GOP did not hire you to write a response.
My guess is that half the Democratic members of the House could not define Capitalism even if their careers depended on it.
Your being generous.
Your being iliturate. 😉
Your rite
No, YOU’RE all wrong. There, fixed it. Good report, Eric, and what a clueless snowflake in congress!
I don’t believe capitalism should be capitalized.
We don’t capitalize air or water.
But it takes Capitalism to deliver clean air and water.
Well, they have about 18 months to “Get Er Done”….After that, there won’t be much left of them if they keep on sliding towards the far, far left (AOC). President Trump will have Super Majorities in 2020…IMHO
I hope you are correct.
Not our problem…..it’s China, India, and the rest of the world’s problem
We reduced our emissions….they all increased theirs…now 3 times what we were
…talk to Biden, I hear he has connections in China
China sustains the green mirage.
Getting paid to do nothing. The Climate Green fund. $200 billion a year bribe to keep poor people in their place.
A very typical UN solution. 80% skim, 20% kickback, 0% effective.
If (poor) memory serves, didn’t the GCF stop funding projects? Did annual donations ever get above a few billions?
Did annual donations ever get above a few billions?
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What’s a few billion more or less.
Canada’s PM Trudope committed to $2.65 billion which is the largest now that US has withdrawn.
In return Trudeau got a selfy in the press and a way to spend the new carbon tax. Oh wait, he promised to give the money back.
After all that is why we have taxes. To give the money back to taxpayers.
Ferd, is that a guaranteed $2,650,000,000 every year from here on out from Canadian taxpayers?
Does Kathy Castor;
a) fly? Sorry Kath you must stop
b) drive? Sorry Kath, public transit for you
c) use air conditioning? Sorry Kath, 85 degF for you
d) heat her home? Sorry Kath, 60 def F and sweaters for you
e) have a big house? Sorry Kath, a house of 1000 ft2 is more than enough
But Ms Castor will do none of the above. With the CCC (church of climate change) its all about getting other people to cut back. Of course the CCC will now sell indulgences to all those who don’t want to cut back.
Where I live it’s snowing today, so a warmer climate doesn’t bother me at all.
“have a big house? Sorry Kath, a house of 1000 ft2 is more than enough”
Are you kidding? Tiny home time for her. No more than 100SF. Your toilet can triple as a sink and shower, you know.
Thank goodness this idiocy won’t get past the Senate. Hopefully her constituents in Florida will vote her out of office in the next election.
Wouldn’t Trump need do sign her little bill?
This is hot ass hype and nothing more.
It has to get passed in the Senate before Trump signs or vetoes it. It’ll never get past the Senate. You’re right, it’s hype and political theater.
It’ll never even come to a vote in the Senate.
Indeed. The bill will never even make it to the floor of the senate. It’s DOA. But, just for arguments sake, let’s suppose Mitch has a senior moment and brings it to the senate floor. It’ll never pass. But let’s further suppose (again just for arguments sake) that enough RINOs support it and it makes it to Trump’s desk. It’ll be vetoed in a heartbeat. Bottom line, this bill will never ever become law, and thus is nothing more than political virtue signaling.
Climate change was not a crisis till Mr. Trump was elected President. ????
Democrats have a shed of “weapons” the like to pull out whenever they need to attack republicans. One of those weapons is climate change. Granted, it’s a dull, rusty weapon.
This woman really is a low watt bulb
Isn’t it obvious? It’s a job requirement for politicians.
It is getting harder to discern whether these people are evil or ignorant.
Embrace the power of “and”.
What I want to is this:
Does the left and know what the right and is doing?
… low watt curly bulb with a bit of a time lag before illumination.
This woman really is a low watt bulb
How insulting, you owe low watt bulbs an apology!
From the article: “The Climate Action Now Act is a straightforward bill I sponsored that prevents the Trump Administration from breaking America’s commitment and leaving the Paris Climate Agreement.”
That was “Obama’s” committment, not America’s. Lefties always think they speak for everyone. They don’t.
The D-A Obama thought he was being smart by not submitting his Paris Deal to the Senate for ratification.
In reality, if it had really been that important, he could have lobbied harder to the US public to pressure senators to vote for it. But no. He always wanted to be the Imperial president, and asking the US Senate for ratification (approval) of his deal was beneath him.
Well now that Paris deal, and pretty much all Obama’s pen and phone legacy, is in the dumpster.
Hallelujah. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammo.
I say that because today’s Democrats are quite willing to take the US to a new Civil War for their ideology, exactly as the Democrats did in 1861.
Joel O’Bryan: “[…] today’s Democrats are quite willing to take the US to a new Civil War for their ideology, exactly as the Democrats did in 1861.”
Same issue, too, with a twist. Instead of wanting to keep the slaves they had, they now want to replace the slaves they lost with… us.
Our massas in DC are mighty peeved at us uppity deplorable flyover people who had the nerve to vote in President Trump. President Trump is not with the program, never was with the program, nor is likely to ever get with the DC program. Gotta get rid of him so they can get back to the business of herding us all onto the Democrat Plantation, whether we go willingly or not.
What the Democrat elites want (and RINOs as well), is a return to feudalism. They, of course, would be the lords; their useful myrmidons, the vassals; and the rest of us, peasants.
They are highly offended that the peasants revolted and elected Trump.
So say the USA Democrats, All of the worlds nations got together at the big Paris get together.
So did the Third world countries, especially the big ones like India ,
an d China, actually agree to right now, not 30 years down the track, agree to cut their CO2, of course not.
MJE VK5ELL
Michael, let me correct that for you:
“All of the worlds (nations) environmental activists got together at the big Paris get together.”
There – fixed it!
AND governments. When governments used to be bad the people used to get rid of them. Now governments get rid of their people since they have a new constituency. Avanti Populi old style, without the people. You do note the chorus of ridding ourselves of foot dragging democracy and putting an international néomarxiste government in charge to untie their hands and let them make “progress” for us all!
If uour from Tottenham, you surely know this.
Da crimate crisis is berry berry serious. In fact, it’s super serious.
From the article: ““Hello, I’m Representative Kathy Castor from Florida, and I chair the House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis.”
And she doesn’t have a clue about what is going on with the Earth’s climate. She throws out plenty of claims of dire CAGW consequences, but there is no evidence to back up any of her claims. She is just repeating Alarmist propaganda.
She should quit lying to the American people about CAGW.
“She should quit lying to the American people about CAGW.”
She’s probably repeating what she is told, not what she understands. There’s so much wrong with the her speech, it’s hard to know where to start.
“. . . we are committed to passing climate legislation that works for The People, not the corporate polluters.” With this statement she implies that corporate share holders and consumers of corporate goods and services are not people.
In the liberal mind, those who don’t support you aren’t people.
Where can I find details of the 3.2 million Americans working in “ clean energy jobs”?
What are “ clean energy jobs”?
If I work in an electric car manufacturing plant, is that a “clean energy job”?
Why am I sceptical of this statistic?
Clean energy jobs are what illegal aliens do when the clean the houses of elected dummycrats.
Clean energy jobs = government created jobs that divert human resources for being more productively deployed.
Everyone should watch Penn and Teller’s documentary on recycling.
A team of wind turbine technicians driving hundreds of miles in a diesel- or gas-powered work truck while fixing broken wind turbines is a Green job.
Go figure.
You forgot the part about picking up dead, endangered/protected birds all over the wind farm.
Another somewhat deceptive statistic.
Here in Clemson and Seneca South Carolina, those two municipalities (and the University) have converted their public transportation system (large bus fleets) from diesel to electric (with massive Federal grants of course).
All the previously existing drivers, mechanics, support people etc were immediately re-labeled as having “clean energy jobs”
It goes even deeper than that. When I looked in some detail years ago, even the drivers with diesel buses were green – mass transit is green. Also, the janitors at Solyndra were classified as green. Obama did amazing things with green. It is all a ruse.
because you have a brain- – -the list of people who inhabit supposedly “clean energy jobs” would amaze you– -nobody ever said lefties didn’t have a sense of imagination- – –
This is entirely bemusing.
There has been as yet no acknowledgement that CO2 is not in control of climate, and that we are not in control of CO2. The natural experiment has been done: 1929-1931, a 30% decrease in human CO2 production with no change in the atmospheric CO2 trend, with temperature increasing to 1942, then decreasing through the years of WWII and post-war reconstruction. Shall we repeat that?
No acknowledgement that there has never been a temperature reversal in the last 550 million years preceded by a CO2 change. And more recently, there was no preceding CO2 change prior to emergence from the Last Glacial Maximum, the descent into the Younger Dryas, the rapid emergence from that to the Holocene Optimum (CO2 280ppm), the gradual descent from that to the present punctuated by the Minoan (CO2 280ppm), Roman (CO2 280ppm), Medieval (CO2 280ppm), and current Warmings, not to mention the beginning (CO2 280ppm) of the Little Ice Age characterized by drought, famine, plague, and peasant revolts, and its merciful end.
No acknowledgement that the GHG efffect of CO2 is at 50% in the first 20 ppm, and declines exponentially after that. So that the next doubling to 800 ppm will increase its GHG effect by less than 2%.
It ignores the decarbonization that has been proceeding naturally for the last 1,000 years as we’ve gone from wood to coal to oil to natural gas and potentially to nuclear.
It ignores the fact that plants inhale CO2 and exhale oxygen. We eat them and inhale oxygen and exhale CO2. Looks like a win-win to me. 30% of the agricultural increase since 1950 has been attributed to CO2. Satellite pictures show the greening of the earth.
There is no recognition of the existence, much less the importance, of unintended consequences.
This is in fact what we expect of our politicians. We do not expect everyone – and I mean everyone – to fall for it.
What is the point?
Jimmww…rite on !!!
Your numbers aren’t quite right. The next doubling to 800 ppm causes the same 1.2 degrees forcing as the first doubling. The next 20 ppm is 2% of the first 20 ppm is maybe what you meant…..
There is no recognition of the existence, much less the importance, of unintended consequences.
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I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
Does anyone know how its going with the investigation of “the science?” I notice that any investigation of conservatives happens immediately…not so with far more legit investigations into the insane and massive illegality of the Commos?
Kathy sez: “And we can save people money on energy. Efficiency standards will save us $2 trillion by 2030. And fuel economy standards for our cars are saving the average household $2,800 a year at the pump.
I believe in American ingenuity and leadership. When America leads, people, countries and businesses across the globe are inspired to do more.”
America leads, alright! the image is a report on the best selling vehicle in America for 2018
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(hint: it’s not a Prius or a Tesla!)
Next image shows the most fuel Inefficient Truck – Toyota Tundra V8 – and shows the typical Annual Fuel cost near the bottom:
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The 16 mpg Tundra does not even cost $2800 annually for 15,000 miles!!! So, the only way the owner saves the Kathy’s claimed dollar amount of $2800 would be by WALKING…
I liked the bit about warming making cars ozone more dangerous;-))))
wonder if she thunk that up by herself??
Do any of these democrats understand the term “prevailing westerlies”? California can reduce CO2 emissions to zero and the CO2 from China and India will fill the void, without apocalyptic consequences.
“A year and a half ago, I boarded up my home, packed my belongings and fled with my family as that monster Hurricane Irma loomed off the coast of Florida. We were petrified of a devastating storm surge from the Gulf of Mexico and Tampa Bay.
We were lucky because we had time to get out of the way.
But for too many Americans, the climate crisis is inescapable.”
– So a major hurricane approaching the Florida coast in the middle of hurricane season is now a climate crisis?
– SLR that hasn’t changed its rate in 100 years is a climate crisis?
The stupid… it burns bright and hot in @USRepKCastor.
This country is doomed, and not because of climate change. It is doomed because of stupid, un-critical thinkers like Ms Castor.
But, Joel, before caGW our grandparents didn’t know what hurricanes were!
The right honorable representative Kathy of the great state of Florida, please remind me. That ever so worrisome hurricane that you referred to unjustly feeling the need to flee in your home state — wasn’t that the same year that broke an unprecedented (measured historical record) 11 year absence of strong (greater than category 1 or 2) hurricanes entering anywhere upon the entire continental U.S.? Oh, I see. That’s different — Never mind!
Kathy Castor—“Seas are rising”
YOU LIE—“When a 60-year oscillation is modeled along with an acceleration term, the estimated acceleration in GMSL since 1900 ranges from: 0.000 [–0.002 to 0.002] mm yr–2 in the Ray and Douglas (2011) record, 0.013 [0.007 to 0.019] mm yr–2 in the Jevrejeva et al. (2008) record, and 0.012 [0.009 to 0.015] mm yr–2 in the Church and White (2011) record. Thus, while there is more disagreement on the value of a 20th century acceleration in GMSL when accounting for multi-decadal fluctuations, two out of three records still indicate a significant positive value. The trend in GMSL observed since 1993, however, is not significantly larger than the estimate of 18-year trends in previous decades (e.g., 1920–1950). “
Page 306 of https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_all_final.pdf
Kathy Castor—“America’s heartland and coasts have suffered unprecedented floods.
YOU LIE—“AR4 WGI Chapter 3 (Trenberth et al., 2007) did not assess changes in floods but AR4 WGII concluded that there was not a general global trend in the incidence of floods (Kundzewicz et al., 2007). SREX went further to suggest that there was low agreement and thus low confidence at the global scale regarding changes in the magnitude or frequency of floods or even the sign of changes.”
pg 230 of https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_all_final.pdf
Kathy Castor—“droughts are getting worse.
YOU LIE—““Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century, owing to lack of direct observations, methodological uncertainties and geographical inconsistencies in the trends.”
pg 178 of https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_all_final.pdf
Kathy Castor—“Hot, humid heat waves are becoming more intense, with more days where people cannot safely work outside or play outside.
How does that happen when the earth has only warmed by 0.85C in the last 162 years?
“Using Had-CRUT4 and its uncertainty estimates, the warming from 1850–1900 to 1986–2005 (reference period for the modelling chapters and Annex I) is 0.61 [0.55 to 0.67] C (90% confidence interval), and the warming from 1850–1900 to 2003–2012 (the most recent decade) is 0.78 [0.72 to 0.85] C (Supplementary Material 2.SM.4.3.3).”
Pg. 209 of https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_all_final.pdf
Kathy Castor—“The bottom line is that the climate crisis is costing us.
Correct, it is wasted money trying to fix the climate.
Kathy Castor—“we need to do it to create incredible economic opportunities.
Correct, but only for the climate scammers that are already costing us over a TRILLION dollar/year.
Kathy Castor—“And we can save people money on energy.
YOU LIE—Every place that has “clean energy” has HIGHER energy bills. Some are starting to have blackouts
Sorry; but you are wasting your time and effort on this misinformation – disseminator. They don’t care about facts. Facts aren’t digestible for their uninformed, headline – skimming target market. The greatest motivator is fear and they use it unendingly on the masses with deliberate conditioning via mass media infiltration [with bottomless budgets]. The end product is a global population of uncritical sheeple increasingly cognitively controlled by simplistic, redefined terms like “Climate Crisis”.
May as well try to teach a Neanderthal to fly a Boeing 737.
“May as well try to teach a Neanderthal to fly a Boeing 737.”
They pretty much fly themselves. So no problem. The fact that they fly themselves into the ground is a minor quibble.
You know, those 737 MAX 8s were in service for years before the Lions crash. US pilots bitched to Boeing constantly about the MCAS (May Crash Any Second) system wanting to fly into the ground if the nose tilt sensor malfunctioned, but it took a 3rd world co-pilot with 400 hours flying time to help his skipper crash it.
The day before the first crash, the sensor malfunctioned, MCAS helpfully pointed the nose toward the ground, and a deadheading pilot in the cockpit reached over, flipped the switch to turn off the system, and the flight continued uneventfully. The crew of that plane told nobody about the incident, and just reported a faulty sensor.
The next day that plane crashed. If the crew had reported the issue with the MCAS and gotten the word passed around, the next day’s crash might not have happened — though with a 400-hour co-pilot in the right-hand seat, I’d be praying the pilot never had to go to the head.
Flying them is one thing. Landing them is something else altogether.
http://news.trust.org/item/20190504025946-r4z0w
Did anyone ask her what level of CO2 in ppm she would be happy with? Why not suggest below 200? She would swallow that, the rather handsome feather brain.
Ask any Climate Alarmist if they’d be happy with a 10-fold reduction in “carbon pollution,” and they’d probably tell you that’s okay with them. After all it is a pollutant according to everything they’ve been told in propaganda classrooms.
Then tell then we’re at 410 ppm today, and going to 41 ppm would bring dramatic extinction to all higher order, eukaryotic life on this planet within 2-5 years. Some humans might survive for a while longer on stored food stockpiles in cans, jars, dried rice, and dried MRE’s. But the rest of the wildlife on this planet would simply vanish at 41 ppm CO2 in short order. Including the oceans as phytoplankton primary productivity would vanish as well at that level.
You’d get a blank stare at that point, I guarantee.
Joel O’Bryan I don’t know how your scenario would even be possible. Several estimates are around that humans contributions of CO2 from fossil fuels are from 0.03% to an over all sources combined 3% of the environmental CO2. Humans could stop everything this second producing all sources of CO2 – excluding breathing – and the environment itself would still produce 97% of the CO2 that will be in reality 100% that keeps increasing the volume of CO2 in ppm.. Where for the last 50 year’s the CO2 has increased by 2 ppm each year. Only 3% of that 2 ppm each year at maximum was from humans contributions. Even the several mass artificial carbon dioxide capture devices are only estimated to reduce a fraction of what humans have been adding from fossil fuels. The only thing that would reduce CO2 to 40 ppm would be another Icehouse Period that would cause the Mass Extinction of 100% of all life on Earth and the soil itself and volcanic activity would still create CO2.
Its a hypothetical.
With Any real pollution, a 10-fold dilution would be desirable.
It’s how we deal with real environmental pollution, with dilution.
If we did that to CO2, the Earth dies.
Which is why those who use the term “carbon pollution” when referring to CO2 are complete morons.
The bubbles in my beer is not pollution.
The woman is a political animal. She knows she is lying, but the perceived political benefits outweigh her integrity. When the taxpaying, voting public is shown the price tag for this green/socialist nonsense, they will reject these charlatans.
“The bottom line is that the climate crisis is costing us. It’s increasing the cost of our health care, our flood and fire insurance, and it’s making costly weather disasters even worse.”
Actually the ‘climate crisis’ is not costing us. What is making “costly weather disasters” even worse – ie, more expensive, is inflation. Prices rise with inflation. So a disaster that would have cost $1M 50 years ago will now cost $100M or more. Don’t blame the increase in prices on increased carbon dioxide, blame it on politicians who have for the last 50 years decreased the value of the dollar. Don’t worry, the US is still doing better than Venezuela!
Plus more people living in areas that flood, and living in fancier houses.
The Maldives had time to relocate from 1988, when the UN warned they would be under water in 2018, because of Gerbil Wormening sea rise. They foolishly stayed on and are still open for the mega wealthy to fly in on carbon spewing mega jets. There are victims and victims.😁
Just you wait. Unless the developed nations give them mega-bucks, they will sink into the ocean within 12 years.
It won’t matter because the world will have ended by then 😂😂😂
Sacrificial lamb would best describe Ms. Castor.
She should get together with Tyrion. He will supply the wine.
“we’re going to cut carbon pollution, protect the people”
If Ms Castor really believes that “carbon” is pollution she hasn’t thought the matter through. Given that all life forms are carbon-based she is, in effect, saying that all life must be eliminated. How does that “protect the people”?
Bollux (being the twin of Castor)
“After years of finger-pointing, the United States, China, India, Europe and countries all around the world came together and agreed to cut carbon pollution dramatically.”
Either she is ignorant of the Paris Accord or she is a big fat liar.
My money is on liar.
That I like, David!!
Surely if you take into account the enormous amounts of CO2 released in the construction of nuclear power plants due to building the concrete housing and manufacturing the equipment, nuclear power isn’t that CO2 free after all?
You jest surely, a Nuclear power plant lasts circa 60 years, producing 24/7/360, the is co2 spread over 60 years. Wind Turbines have a major Concrete and Steel component and based on current use last about 15 years and produce miniscule amounts of power.
Given the number of wind turbines needed to replace a single nuclear plant. The wind turbines use way more concrete.
Kevin,
CO2 is not a problem.
See comments elsewhere outlining the benefits and necessities of this gas.
Worry not! I’m a dyed-in-the-wool climate sceptic and am well aware of the critical part the trace gases labelled “Greenhouse” play in the existence of life on this planet. It’s a travesty of scientific probity when activists with a scientific background carefully ignore the part water vapour, the most significant greenhouse gas, plays in global temperature. The effect of clouds on the climate is not well understood, but this enormous gap in knowledge is ignored by the activists. I was just making the point that nuclear energy production is not CO2-free, as no energy production is entirely CO2-free.
Current design (package) reactors don’t use the big cooling towers and need no concrete (except for the road base to get them where they need to go).
Over time the calcined cement in concrete takes back all the CO2 evolved! I have been a lone voice here on WUWT on this topic for years. It doesnt recover that emitted by the fuel used of course. Oh well here is a peer reviewed link, ignore it and it will go away for another few years.
https://link.springer.com/
Isn’t it a bit optimistic to think that anyone will locate your paper in the entire output of the Springer publishing house?
Kevin, you forgot to include the CO2 emitted in mining the uranium and shipping it to Russia.
That’s much greater than the CO2 emitted in mining and shipping to China the rare earth elements needed to produce the rare earth magnets and batteries the windmills need.
(Those kids in Africa have pretty small lungs.)/sarc
Such a smug look on her face.
They are all like that. Their ignorance protects them from reality.
A genuine technology disrupter may be upon us. The problem with geothermal has always been the availability of steam. The Geysers has been depleting gradually. They are recharging with treated wastewater. Finding both high geothermal gradient and groundwater in the sample place has been the limitation. If geothermal energy were abundant we would not need to burn coal or natural gas to generate electricity. Producing geothermal energy for the purpose of large scale power generation in hot dry conditions has been elusive without a closed loop. That may be about to change. For those versed in geothermal energy, look at GreenFire Energy’s web site. They use in-well closed loop technology using supercritical CO2 as the heat exchanger. If this works, the future of electrical power generation may belong to GreenFire Energy.
Get your personal Greenfire Energy Howto guide, delivered to your mailbox, and we’ll throw in a set of complimentary Ginsu knives from Ronco FREE, for 5 easy payments of just $19.95 … + s/h.
And, while supplies last, a year’s supply of spray-on hair!
Double the offer for a “small additional fee” and I’ll think about it.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Just re-inject the condensed steam.
That is more or less what they propose. Though they use ordinary water (or CO2) which is certainly better than the corrosive muck you will ordinary find in hydrothermal fields:
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/man-fell-yellowstone-hot-spring-completely-dissolved-day/
As someone who directed development of a geothermal power plant: It ain’t that easy.
Take a look at what is happening (ignore the wishful thinking) at one of the globe’s best geothermal sites: The Geysers in Northern California. It is declining rapidly, with no good options to increase output.
Unless you have really hot rocks close to the surface (plus located near loads), forget it.
The “Yellowstone National Park and Geothermal Megacaldera Power Facility”?
Yep, James. Just create a major population center on a massive caldera of an active super volcano.
Apparently they haven’t even run a field test yet, much less built a real power plant.
And even if everything works according to plan it is not easy to find areas where the thermal gradient is steep enough to make geothermal energy practicable. Still it is certainly worth trying.
A genuine technology disrupter may be upon us. The problem with geothermal has always been the availability of steam. The Geysers has been depleting gradually. They are recharging with treated wastewater. Finding both high geothermal gradient and groundwater in the sample place has been the limitation. If geothermal energy were abundant we would not need to burn coal or natural gas to generate electricity. Producing geothermal energy for the purpose of large scale power generation in hot dry conditions has been elusive without a closed loop. That may be about to change. For those versed in geothermal energy, look at GreenFire Energy’s web site. They use in-well closed loop technology using supercritical CO2 as the heat exchanger. If this works, the future of electrical power generation may belong to GreenFire Energy.
Since when did the reduction of carbon (CO2) protect people?
Every emergency vehicle currently protecting people is powered by fossil fuel. Every coast guard helicopter every air ambulance, every road ambulance every police vehicle every military vehicle is powered by fossil fuel.
Every home in every major conurbation is heated and cooled thus protecting people from weather extremes by fossil fuel. Every rescue boat, every emergency relief delivery plane and every doctor or medic rushing to help and protect people is transported there by fossil fuel.
Can anybody think of any service protecting people, that is not reliant on fossil fuels?
Rod Evans,
Yep, Politicians !!!!
Will she start by giving $2,000,000,000 (Billion) to the UN Green Slush Fund?
That’s all any of the others from the Paris meeting want.
Maybe she doesn’t know how much the US has already contributed.
She seems to be information free.
Kathy, it was Obama’s commitment, not America’s. In order to be America’s commitment, it would have to be submitted to the Senate and ratified. Neither happened.
How does she do that with her lips ??
It’s called picking a photo that puts the person in a bad light. It’s a sleazy tactic, apparently Eric isn’t above it.
Re Ian Russell, May 4th. Recall reading many years ago that the
Maldives government actually “Mined”, their coral reefs to provide the material for the airstrip that now handles the big jets.
On thing that is worth looking into was that during WW2 the Americans in the Pacific actually used a vast amount of coral to build their airstrips.Would be of interest to see what has happened to the Islands since then, has the coral regrown, probably
MJR VK5ELL
I am trying to understand Rep Kathy Castor’s math for fuel savings:
“fuel economy standards for our cars are saving the average household $2,800 a year at the pump”
But – United States Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration says average American drove 13,476 in 2018. If both spouses are average Americans, that totals to 26,952 miles. If these average Americans drove 2-year-old cars meeting 2016 CAFE standard of 28.8 MPG, buying gas at average gas price in 2018 of $2.60, their annual expenditure for gas was 26,952/28.8*2.60=$2433.17
If that was a savings of $2,800, their expenditure would have been $5,233. To have spent $5,233 to drive 26,952 miles would require their cars to get only 13.4 MPG.
She is claiming that without CAFE regulations, the average American would be driving a car getting only 13.4 MPG? My pre-CAFE 1977 Dodge Volare station wagon averaged 18 MPG, getting 20 MPG at 55MPH. Surely, gas prices climbing to over $4.00 per gallon in 2009 would have forced the auto industry to do better than my Volare.
I think she gives too much credit to CAFE standards.
SR
Steve Reddish: “My pre-CAFE 1977 Dodge Volare station wagon […]”
Oh… so you’re the one. I heard that Dodge only sold one of those and I was wondering who bought it. Did it have Corinthian Leather?
;o)
They couldn’t build to many, the supply of rich Corinthians is limited.
Boss, boss! De plain interior, de plain interior!
Dodge produced the Aspen. Volare was Plymouth.
The market supplies what the consumers want. (Assuming it is possible. If it isn’t possible than even government mandates won’t help.)
The seas are rising. Perhaps someone should ask the lady by how much. Bet she doesn’t know the answer.
As I predicted – and not alone, I know – the new meme is ‘pollution’ – ‘carbon pollution’. Castor is not alone: she is also giving succour to the XR lefties who are pushing the ‘pollution’ for all they’re worth.
“VEGAN CLIMATE ACTIVIST GRETA THUNBERG LANDS MAJOR BOOK DEAL”
https://vegnews.com/2019/5/vegan-climate-activist-greta-thunberg-lands-major-book-deal?fbclid=IwAR3OMcCicjurlTNEP3Tf17ZP09lLc3pVBdXbxZ6jSO6Q5ctqgSKi2BTu8bQ
Things that make you go hmmmmmm
You mean her parents landed a major book deal. Unless minors in Sweden can enter into contracts.
Leave your fridge door open an hour a day! There problem solved.
I really enjoy it when someone shows her iggernance by saying “Hot, humid heat waves are becoming more intense, with more days where people cannot safely work outside or play outside.” That just slays me.
Coming from someone who lives, breathes and works in air conditioning, likely 100% of the year, and never ventures outside unless she has to, the worst thing you can do to yourself is to live in air conditioning. I’m sure she never has a hair disturbed on her empty head.
And FWIW, there is ZERO lack of summer activity outdoors in my county and other counties in this states. She could not be more full of IT if her eyes were brown. What a dimwit!!!
Kathy Castor is a moron, spouting utter lies and drivel. The “climate crisis” is pure fantasy, as are any claimed financial benefits of “green” energy, or any government-imposed energy-saving schemes, such as CAFE. Indeed, the lies the Climate Liars tell are many-layered and interwoven ones out of whole cloth, designed to weave a structure which is difficult to tear apart. Sickening.
Just about everything Kathy said was certifiably false. The GOP needs to point out reality and respond to Kathy’s lies.
Hard to take anything she said, and nod in agreement.
Does she think that if Globally, we manage to reduce the CO2 levels in the atmosphere by a small few PPM, that suddenly there will be a Climate harmony, with ideal weather where ever you happen to live?No more boarding up homes and running away from hurricanes. No more droughts floods, etc….These people call Sceptics, ”D*nrs”. They live in absolute Dnial themselves. They are so far removed from reality, probably from constant bombardment with propaganda, they are unable to think logically.
Where are the voices of reason? Every utterance from these scaremongering Alarmists, needs to be publicly challenged. Broadcast across the World and in to every home. It’s a disgrace that everyone knows who Gretta Thunberg is, but, outside of those with keen interest in the subject, no one has heard of any of the real scientists, let alone, what they have to say.
Kathy Castor—“Seas are rising” = Relativistic version of Chicken Little -“The sky is falling” !
Seas are rising! – Fires are raging! – Hurricanes are howling! – Ice is melting! – Tornadoes are devastating! – Floods are drowning! – Droughts are baking! – Corrals are bleaching! – Species are dying! – etc., etc. You can’t say “climate crisis” without “scream”.
Oh, yeah??? I have photos of snow (3 inches) in my yard on April 15 this year, and two inches from April 20, 2018.
Must be something in the water she’s drinking.
the real Crisis is the massive lying and propaganda that is misleading mankind from the real issues..
Rev 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devill and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
“Climate Justice”, “Clean Energy”, Climate Crisis”… The PR army has been busy.
Okay how many virgins do we need to throw into the volcano to appease the climate?
We can even make a movie nobody will pay to see “Joe vs The Climate” It will become required viewing in our public school systems thanks to Government Funding.
‘The Climate Action Now Act is a straightforward bill I sponsored that prevents the Trump Administration from breaking America’s commitment and leaving the Paris Climate Agreement.’
I propose an amendment to the Constitution that requires all U.S. Representatives to read the Constitution. Yeah, I know, a silly idea.
There is nothing to stop them from living green. They won’t do it.
There is nothing to stop them from convincing individuals to live green with them without passing any law. They can’t do it.
When all else fails? Pass laws and signal virtue.
Kathy Castor has a college degree in political science.
That certainly makes me confident in her expert wisdom and understanding of the science based issue of climate change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Castor
It will never get through the Senate. A wasted effort by the Communist-Totalitarian Democrats whose only purpose is to destroy the United States of America.
Kathy has found her metaphorical ‘twin’: Kathy Castor and Climate Bollucks.
Does this idiot woman have one single piece of scientific knowledge in her thick skull? Carbon polution???? In that two word combination it shows she is mouthing other people’s words unless she really is so stupid? Does she not know where the oxygen she breaths comes from? Does she not know anything about the complex interaction between the rocks thesea and the atmosphere? Does shenot know that her favorite salad items evolved where atmospheric CO2 was somewhere 1500-2000ppm? Idiot child! This is getting plain silly. She could at least have given the speech writing to someone who attended science 101! She conflates everything. Oh there was a storm……….Idiot woman! An idiot for cash!
Anyone remember how the Senate voted on the Kyoto protocol? Even then we realized the true nature of the “Global Warming” hysteria citing the damage it would do to our economy, lack of true world wide participation, and encroachment of our sovereignty. Nothing has changed since then except the level of fear/scare mongering so let the Left spin their wheels.
the abolition of Capitalism
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The term capitalism does not properly describe free enterprise and as such is misleading.
Capitalism and Socialism are both forms of slavery. All that differs is the ownership. Those with the money or those with the power. Since both are typically the same, the slave still remains a slave.
Free enterprise differs in that every person is a slave only unto themselves. If you win or lose you have only yourself to blame.
Ferd, your vision of free enterprise falls apart once one goes beyond chucking rocks at game and gathering up wild grains, fruit and carrion. Free people cooperating to further their individual interests and thereby creating collective wealth is capitalism (free enterprise). Once the socialist puts his greedy little paws in there, it collapses.
Free stuff and saving the world sounds great to those who are ignorant of basic human nature and real-life economics. But, I’m told, socialism will create the New Man.
Ferdy, “slaves” do not get a paycheck…… D’OH !
Curtailing CO2 is controlling energy which is controlling the people.
The irony is that CO2, in spite of being a ghg, has little if any effect on climate. This is demonstrated by multiple GCMs which assumed CO2 caused GW have predicted about twice the actual warming rate for decades.
Well, everyone else covered the lies and falsehoods in her speech, so I’ll just toss one of Ronald Reagan’s famous quotes onto the pile:
“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
“Seas are rising…”
J….s H. C….t! Does this blathering woman think we’re all idiots?
I will quote the comedian Dennis Miller: “If I can’t get out of the way of something that’s moving at the rate of one foot per century, I deserve to be extinct.”
“Carbon pollution” ?
What’s that ?
Take a look at this Bing image search for the phrase, “carbon pollution”:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=carbon+pollution&qpvt=carbon+pollution&FORM=IGRE
Pretty funny, eh?
I guess steam is working its way a notch above polar bears or walruses now.
Such intelligence ! Civilization is good hands.
… “in good hands”.
It seems that representative Casto hasn’t been advised that the drought has ended in CA.
“Snowpack is shrinking and droughts are getting worse..”
https://mavensnotebook.com/resource-pages/water-and-hydrology-resources-on-the-internet-reservoir-conditions-precipitation-indexes-snow-charts-drought-maps-and-more/
https://vegdri.unl.edu/
Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr.’s 2014 book “The Rightful Place of Science: Disasters and Climate Change” points out that there has been no degradation in any important climate metric since at least 1900. Does anyone know how to do a cloud fundraising to send a copy of it to every Senator and Congressman?
He makes the point that the UN IPCC AR5 was forced to grudgingly admit the truth. It was buried in UN newspeak jargon, though. Other than Dr. Pielke, no researcher has countered the meme that storms, hurricanes, droughts, etc. are getting worse due to AGW.
“The Climate Action Now Act is a straightforward bill I sponsored that prevents the Trump Administration from breaking America’s commitment and leaving the Paris Climate Agreement.”
She is a representative in the House, and she doesn’t know that only the Senate can make/approve treaties!!!!!
Greens hate nuclear power because the Russians wanted to destroy the West’s nuclear capability in the 1950s and 1960s. Anti-nuclear marches took place in the USA and the UK. “Ban the Bomb”, Aldermarson Marches, etc. The KGB founded many anti-nuclear protest groups and the Democrats at the time swallowed the message. Democrats working to spread the KGB message. What a surprise.
Democrats working to spread the KGB message
Now there’s collusion you can believe in!
A few Dem’s showed up at a meeting on an “existential threat ” to the world ? The thing that is supposed to end the earth in less than 12 years and all they can do is send some no names to a meeting with the entire intend of accomplishing absolutely nothing .
The USA political establishment is more screwed up than even the Chinese or Russians could pull off .