Swedish Power Shortages Because of Renewable Energy

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Grant Griffiths – Sweden was a zero carbon nuclear energy leader, but nowadays reliable zero carbon nuclear is the wrong kind of zero carbon electricity.

Sweden’s Lack of Electricity Capacity Is Threatening Growth

A shift toward renewables is overwhelming the nation’s grid, leaving a potential Olympic Games in 2026 relying on reserve generators.  

By Jesper Starn
3 May 2019, 14:00 GMT+10

Global trade wars and weakening export markets are not the only potential dampers on Sweden’s growth. There’s also a homegrown problem: a lack of power capacity. 

The dire situation stems from the closing of the nation’s oldest reactors and a shift to wind at a time when the grid is already struggling to keep up with demand in major cities. The shortage, which impacts the nation’s main urban areas, is threatening everything from the rollout of a 5G network in the capital to investments in giant data halls and new subway lines. It could even derail Stockholm’s bid for the 2026 Winter Olympics.

It’s a stark change from the decades of cheap, surplus electricity that propelled the Nordic region’s biggest economy into one of the richest and most industrialized nations in the world. Now, electricity supplies in urban areas can’t keep up and that could exacerbate a slowdown already impacted by global uncertainty and Brexit.

“Citizens and companies are worried, irritated and even angry,” said Jonas Kamleh, a strategist for the City of Malmo, the nation’s third biggest. “How could this situation arise in the engineering nation of Sweden?

The answer is a very ambitious green agenda. Sweden is halfway through a plan to replace the output from four reactors in the industrial south with thousands of wind turbines in the north. But grid connections, some dating back to the 1950s, aren’t up to scratch so the power isn’t shipped to where it’s really needed. And to make matters worse, city demand is surging at a faster-than-expected pace because of the electrification of everything from transport to heating.

What a surprise – trying to electrify transport adds an intolerable surge of demand to a grid which is already struggling because of the idiotic attempt to switch from zero carbon nuclear power to green energy, by building turbines in the far North of an Arctic nation which experiences brutal snow storms.

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148 thoughts on “Swedish Power Shortages Because of Renewable Energy

  1. Let them freeze – let them pay sky-high prices and still freeze. Let them stock up on candles and blankets, let them have what they say they want. Let them have the unmitigated effects of RE and EV madness. And make sure its not a short scare but let them have it long enough they will remember. The most ardent anti communists come from countries where communism ruled for a long time, the most virulent atheists come from very religious societies and the hardest conservatives come from hardcore liberal families. Enjoying the effects of your own medicine has a strong palliative effect – it heals you from BS. Those folks want RE and EV – this is a free world – give it to them.

    • How will you guarantee they connect the “not living well” dot to the “renewables” dot rather than to the “bad luck” dot?

    • The “them” that make these dumb decisions won’t freeze, it will be the “others”.

    • The problem is that it’s the ordinary people who will freeze in the dark while the false elite never suffer for a moment. Stalin never queued for a loaf of bread.

    • Where is your outrage over this happening daily at airports? It’s called life in a cold climate – or would you have Swedes walk south to warmer weather to board a plane.

      • If this is about deicing windmills and you don’t get it you are a lost soul.

        • Gary, have you ever flown in frigid weather when the plane must be deiced? Were airplanes a stupid idea? You seem to be the lost soul.

    • No one is going to freeze because global warming will be turning Sweden into the a balmy, subtropical paradise in short order.

  2. “How could this situation arise in the engineering nation of Sweden?” Ask Greta.

    • I think there comes a point when power engineers realise it is no longer their job to keep the grid stable, a kind of “Atlas Shrugged” moment.

      • I don’t think anyone in Sweden bothered to ask for – or listen to – the advice of ANY engineering firms with power systems design/operation experience when the ‘green’ decision was made. It is absolutely a “told you so” moment.

        • I’ve read somewhere that around 85% of educated people have no concept of science. They don’t understand maths and physics, let alone engineering, but they are quite happy to vote for politicians who probably understand less than they do based of free stuff.

      • Engineers should do the job specified. If that is to build thousands of wind generators and connect them to the grid then good on them; as long as they get well paid for their effort. The business owners are out to make a buck and if that means enjoying government largesse while keeping the business humming; that is just business.

        Engineers need to make a living. They usually work within the laws of the land and are constrained by the laws of physics. Building wind generators are within the law of the land and the laws of physics means they will generate electricity. Any engineer who refers to such devices as producing “renewable energy” needs to be better trained. The energy they produce is unrenewable so saying otherwise is deceptive practice.

        Politicians who skew market forces should reap what they sow. But they inevitably end up on lucrative pensions.

        My view is the problem stems from governments funding research in academia with strings attached. Once a bad idea gets embedded it becomes self perpetuating.

        • they may get lucrative pensions.
          When the sacred wind mills start to fall and the grid keeps shutting down they still might be able to get energy but it will have lucrative prices.

          In the end the poorest will suffer the most, but money can’t buy what isn’t for sale.

        • How is it that engineers got away with approving wind turbines that produce audible noise, low frequency noise and infrasound radiation at harmful levels?
          Dr. Mariana Alves-Pereira has presented to professionals in Slovenia in 2018, details on the harm to the neurological and the vestibular systems. She says this harm is cumulative and “irreversible”.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCZ3OyklrE
          She has publicly stated that she would not live within 20 km from wind turbines and yet people in Ontario are forced to live within a km from turbines. In some cases, homes are surrounded by them.
          Who will be held accountable for the harm?
          Is this also happening in Sweden?

          • Whereas that is a questionable issue, more important is who is to be held responsible for the essentially irreversible climate damage from burning fossil fuels. Will is be the driver, the home owner, the local utility, the gas station? Or will it be the producers of fossil fuels with a premium on those who contributed to the disinformation that permeates this forum?

          • Perhaps someone should look at the European studies from around 15 or so years ago that proved that there was absolutely nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here, folks. The low-frequency noises and vibrations you complain about don’t exist and, even if they did, couldn’t have any effect on you. The claims you make about damage to your health are all in your imagination. We know what’s best for you.

      • In the UK, a stable grid is now in the hands of extinction rebellion and a bunch of school kids

    • Because they are stupid enough to believe in virtue signalling. If Sweden was depopulated tomorrow the result would be a decrease in the amount of CO2 (that essential gas for plant growth now set up as a poison)that humans add to the world total by 0.0006% (based on Sweden’s current emissions).

    • Sweden is a member of the EU. The EU decided that all member states must produce a certain percentage of their electricity from renewable sources. With their usual short-sightedness, they were legislating to reduce CO₂ emissions but failed to make provision for countries such as Sweden and France that already had low emissions due to their nuclear base-load. Being loyal members of the EU, Sweden had no option available other than to comply with the idiocy and build renewables. There are still people on the other side of the pond who don’t understand why the UK voters chose to leave the EU.

      • France under Hollande and Macron is going down the same road as Sweden, however Macron being a Climate Change zealot has started down the road of taxing fossil fuels. One of the main triggers for the current unrest, yestetday was the 25th weekend of protests.

      • Yeah, but the UK is one of the worst of the green climate advocates. I guess you need Brexit to be able to have one of these “populist” governments to form, kick out legacy inborn witless governments and dismantle all this craziness.

        Donald Trump, much maligned by the left in general and Big EU in Western Europe as an idiot, is going to save America AND the asses of Europe again, though they be kicking and screaming to the end.

        It’s a bit like wild life biologists saving the Nile crocodile that doesnt want to be saved. Only, Trump is saving them by offering a model that shows to elements within, what is possible and new Trumpers are becoming conscious in Europe.

        If Europe had any idea what a butt of a joke they are thought to be by Asia which is benefitting from the stupidity of the once lofty creators of The Age of Reason, the birth of science, the Industrial Revolution and an economic engine of prosperity, all wonders that are now villified and for which they feel guilt-ridden, they might snap out of their stupor.

        Maybe they are right to feel so humble. Maybe they discovered the Wonders by accident and what they are doing now is behaving like the idiots they have always been. God I hope not.

      • And we will get to choose again if May is stupid enough (and she is) to give us the chance to vote for the Brexit Party in the coming EU elections. She still hasn’t learned her lesson from the 1,000+ Tory (in name only) wipe-out in the local council elections last Thursday. Instead she’s forming an alliance with Labour who also didn’t fare too well.

        • The problem with May, as I see it from Oz, is that she seems to be a captive or a leader of The Swamp. She’s obviously very cunning. Her every action since the Brexit referendum seems to have been designed to prevent the wishes of the British people being followed. She’s done it little by little. A bit like the frog getting cooked in the pot without realising that the water is warming up.

          The Great Unwashed need to be guided so that their base desires don’t upset the status quo. And she can’t allow the Great Unwashed to undo the cosy deal where civil servants and politicians are heavily invested in renewables and get huge EU subsidies.

          The worst thing that could happen is that Conservative voters are so angry with May that labour gets elected and Corbyn becomes PM. His islamic terrorist heroes would be over the moon.

      • ‘Sweden is a member of the EU. The EU decided that all member states must produce a certain percentage of their electricity from renewable sources.’ I thought in the beginning EU was about currency and free trade across border. Now the EU is forcing other polices? Maybe Sweden and Switzerland should have their “Brexit” moment before their Constitutions are worthless.

        • The EU has always been about the creation of a European superstate but when this proposal was put the nations in the beginning it was rejected. Jean Monnet was then advised to start his project by using trade and so there was the Treaty of Rome to start it all off which includes the words ‘ever closer union’. And so like a cancer it has spread through the governance of the member nations using the ratchet principle to increase its power. A crisis is met with glee by the EU for it is used to take even more control for itself. The whole idea is rooted in the First World War as a means of stopping the Second World War – which it obviously didn’t but by the end of that it was a solution to a problem that no longer existed as the European nations were grouped either in NATO or Warpact. The chance that a single European country could start a war had gone.

      • One other thing: That’s what you get for having non-elected bureaucrat representation.

      • Bloke,
        I don’t see how closing out their (non-CO2 emitting) nuclear plants helped to reduce Sweden’s CO2 emissions. Somehow I think that was entirely self inflicted. Probably the same anti-nuclear paranoia that led the Germans to shut down theirs.

    • We have known for decades that global warming alarmism was a false crisis, and that “green energy” schemes were not green and produced little useful energy.
      We KNEW the following points well enough in 2002 to publish them and sign our names to them:

      “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”

      “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

      Since then, trillions of dollars of scarce global resources have been squandered, tens of millions of lives have been needlessly lost, and science, governments and institutions have been corrupted, all due to false global warming alarmism.

      Reference: APEGA’s “Debate on the Kyoto Accord”, published in the PEGG November 2002, reprinted by other professional journals, The Globe and Mail and La Presse, by Baliunas, Patterson and MacRae, November 2002.
      http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

  3. Wind system must have back up diesel generators, idling as a backup source of power. When diesel idles it produces high amounts of carbon emissions. Therefore, wind power is counter productive.

    • do you have grid information to back this statement that you could publish please? there would be around 30 minutes to fire up a thermal station when the wind dies, If diesel generators are used (unlikely ) then there is adequate time to start up and synchronise the generator from cold.
      In general the largest instant power requirements is for when a thermal generator goes unexpectedly off line (loss of 500Mw instantly). Wind is distributed just like the WECs so there is never a country wide instantaneous removal of wind generation.
      when thermal stations idle the efficiency is very low. however this is because the power output is low . The low power also means that co2 output is correspondingly low.

      • There doesn’t need to be a country wide removal of wind generation, just a significant proportion.

        And you need to add to your statement the likelihood and frequency of a thermal plant going off line unexpectedly (hardly ever) with wind generation not producing its stated capacity (nearly 65% of the time in good conditions. And the change in output occurs hundreds of times a day.

        And the experience in Australia is that over large distances wind is relatively correlated for output.

        You also need to take into account the huge losses incurred trying to send power from distributed systems. A renewables generator in western NSW only delivers 79% of its at plant output to be able to be used by customers.

        • mkelly May 5, 2019 at 7:08 am
          Where did you get the 30 minute fire up time from?
          ———————
          https://www.ge.com/power/gas/gas-turbines/9ha
          Features a fast 12-minute ramp-up from start command to full load, and up to 70 MW/minute ramping capability in a 1×1 configuration or 140 MW/minute in a 2×1 configuration.

      • It takes several days to fire up a conventional power station to get it into the spinning reserve state.
        The reason for this is that that the alternator shaft sags under the influence of gravity like a skipping rope. The shaft has to be spun slowly to allow gravity to straighten it out which takes time. If the shaft were to be immediately to spun up to operating speed there would be some very loud and expensive bangs. Also remember that firing up a conventional power station or changing its operating conditions is about changing the operating temperature of tons of water and steel. It does not happen quickly. It takes approximately five minutes to get from spinning reserve to supplying power to the grid system. A gas turbine station takes approximately three minutes to get from standstill to supplying power to the grid. Dinorwig pumped storage power station takes about 30 seconds from stop to supplying power to the grid.
        This information is based what I learned in Power System lectures at university about 50 years ago.

      • The wind does not need to stop all at once across the entire country to cause problems. The total amount of wind power available will vary considerably over the course of a year. If you want to be able to rely on wind power alone, you need to figure out what the worst case is and then install enough capacity uniformly around the country to make sure you don’t have a shortage – especially in colder climates like Sweden. The problem is we really don’t know what the worse case is, and uniform installation would mean putting huge windmills in places where people don’t want them. It’s an intractable problem really, because there are two factors in that system that you can’t control: generation (supply) and demand. You must be able to control one of those to a high degree in order to maintain a stable grid. This is well established engineering.

    • In the UK investors are making a fortune out of these diesel generators. The UK Short Term Operating Reserve (STOR) is a network of ‘diesel farms’ up and down the country, which can be fired up if the grid runs short. But these generators only operate 5% of the time, and are a gold-mine for investors – and all paid for out of your energy costs.

      Prospectus for STOR
      http://www.engie.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/stor-web-updated-11oct-final.pdf

      Ralph

  4. The Swedes don’t have to worry about having reliable grid power to attract manufacturing operations. Products can be imported from China where they have reliable coal-based electrical generation.

    • Besides, Sweden will soon be a third-world country. They won’t need reliable power, and won’t have the money to pay for it if they did.

      • There is indeed a danger for Sweden to become, if not a third-world country- then at least a country which will see severe conflicts and a downward spiral in wealth and social welfare, due to their insane mass import of immigrants who contribute little to society, and who very often have no skills at all.

        Amazing and scaring for neighbour nations.

        • And historically have low IQ and perverse views human rights..

          Honor killings
          Murdering apostates
          Female genital mutilation
          Inbreeding (hence violent nature, irrationality, and lower collective IQ)
          Rights only for males
          Murdering homosexuals

          Real icing on the cake of humanity that group..
          Ben Shapiro had a wonderful Prager U informational ad about it.

          SNIP
          https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg

  5. Wow! What a photo. Private enterprise would NEVER engage in something so inefficient and costly requiring such absurd maintenance disproportionate with the revenue (power) generated. It is a classic study in government inefficiency. And the people SUFFER.

    Mankind did not evolve to where we are by employing STUPIDITY in place of EFFICENCY

    • Three asides concerning the lead-in photo:

      1) What idiots in Sweden decided to install wind turbines without built-in deicing systems for the airfoils, such as used on modern aircraft propellers . . . what?, they never considered Sweden (and other Nordic countries) might have icing conditions during winters?

      2) I understand the rates to rent/lease industrial helicopters with pilot(s) can run around $1000/hour, and obviously such can only be used to deice wind turbine blades when they are not moving (i.e., not producing any power).

      3) I prefer Zappa’s Law to the overlaid red text (mis)attributed to Albert Einstein: “There are two things on earth that are universal, hydrogen and stupidity.”

          • Mike Ozanne, thanks very much for the link to the energiforskrapport brochure.

            I note in the report’s Foreward the following sentences:
            “The largest part of the expansion of wind power plants in Sweden takes
            place in the northern parts of the country. However, the cold climate poses a great
            challenge. As temperatures drop, icing forms on the turbine blades, causing
            considerable production losses in some wind farms. Several solutions for de-icing of
            the turbines exist, which are installed on the blades. Still, there is a need for an
            “emergency method” of de-icing, for example when the installed de-icing system is out
            of order or for turbines that lack such a system.”

            Given that this forward allows for the possibility that an installed de-icing system on a wind turbine may have failed, and thus the helicopter is used for de-icing on an “emergency” basis , I admit to jumping to an unfounded conclusion and to being too harsh in inferring “stupidity” in my above comments.

          • However, what is “the ultimate cost” of the (perhaps) emergency helicopter (fuel, insurance, flight time, repairs, people, rental, airport fees, anti-freeze, anti-freeze storage, the pipe and container and its storage long-term, the hazards and potential loss of life if the blade is touched – much less hit strongly – by a a spinning helicopter blade or anti-freeze container or sprayer nozzle.
            Now, at 2-3 Megawatt windmill, how much “value” is actually generated by the increased electricity sold when only one windmill per hour can be de-iced?

            Simple helicopter rental fees (free air space, 4 passenger, regular passenger flights) are 800.00 – 900.00 per hour.
            Up-close near-collision environments near a turbine blade or high-voltage line? Triple or quadruple that.
            Add insurance for $160,000.00 or 750,000.00 repair bills if a blade is truck.

    • Windmills like this are a fairly compelling evidence of the progressive general failure of democratic government everywhere. The politicians were supposed to be informed by the science but they destroyed the science instead, just so they could get elected on false pretenses and push their climate-derangement-syndrome scam of the taxpayers.

  6. It won’t really sink-in until they start getting hit with brutal black-outs in the dead calm of a cold winter.
    Then the greens will just claim that obviously not enough windmills have been built. The wealthy of course will install more diesel back-up generators, especially on their island hide-aways.

    Basically you can put the Leftists into two intellectual categories:
    – Smart : those who recognize the necessity of a new wave of nuclear power build-out.
    – Dumb: those who fight nuclear power while employing magical thinking about wind and solar.

    Because of the long-lead time to bring nuclear power plant on-line, they become ever more at risk of needing Russian gas in fast to bring online natural gas combined-cycle installations. And thus black-mail at the hands of Putin. Just like Germany is about to under-go with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

    • The categories of Leftists are better laid out as such:
      – Dumb: those who fight nuclear power while employing magical thinking about wind and solar.
      – Smart: those with backup power who pretend to care, but really just like seeing people starve in the dark.

    • Sounds like a job for Mueller! After failing to find a gram of collusion he should subpoena the entire Swedish and German Governments for collusion with Putin and Russian LNG. That should give the Dems and neo-cons something to palliate their utter despondency. The entire Nordstream 2 pipeline should impounded as evidence, and all parties embargoed.
      Sure he might find plenty of support from EU MSM and greenies. Some of them want to nationalize VW, do they know Barry O’Bama nationalized GM?

      • “The entire Nordstream 2 pipeline should impounded as evidence, and all parties embargoed.”

        Russian gas has no carbon so doesn’t donate any carbon stuff to the sky like burning frack does, which is why Nordstream 2 is such a good thing. Because if it was just like european gas you wouldn’t be able to burn it without making lost of carbon pollution.

        Something like that.

        😛

  7. So, the watermelons are failing, again. What a surprise. I’m sure they’ll point fingers and place blame for the poor implementation a targets other than themselves.

    • The problem is, like Californians, after the Watermelons wreck the place they live, they move on and wreck somewhere else. Any viable community that lets them in is doomed.

      • It looks like Virginia has been californicated because of an influx of federal workers.

        … Northern Virginia is also the nesting and breeding ground for hundreds of thousands of federal workers, who vote Democrat for the same reason that Willie Sutton held up banks.

        It’s where the money is.

  8. I am anticipating that Griff will seize upon the last sentence :
    “city demand is surging at a faster-than-expected pace because of the electrification of everything from transport to heating.”
    to say that the problems are only temporary and are result of the astonishing success in transforming Sweden into a fully clean ,green, electric , non fossil fuelled, society, thus saving the world from calamity.
    Would he be correct?

    • I think Griff may have been banned…maybe… I don’t know. Mr. Watts was pretty cross with him after Griff’s last inane comment.

    • It would be more accurate to say that Sweden will only suffer from these blackouts until they have depopulated their country sufficiently that the remaining fossil fueled capacity can cope.

      And please don’t attack people before they say something wrong. After is fine, but before is just rude.

      • You’re right, it is rude. On the other hand, if you can almost always predict what someone is going to say, it’s a pretty good sign that they’re ideologically possessed.

        Ideological possession happens when people start valuing something other than the pursuit of Truth (which can sometimes be unpleasant or inconvenient) as the highest ideal.link

        Another way of looking at it is that they have a simple theory that explains everything. When they talk, you can predict what they’re going to say based on that theory.

        So, if you can predict what Griff’s going to say, you can conclude that he’s ideologically possessed. IMHO, trying to guess what he’s going to say is an enlightening exercise for everyone.

  9. Seems Caterpillar is a good to buy share again. Could it be the massive high-power gensets in high demand ? In any case I cross more than ever before service crews with the CAT logo in biz hotels around Europe.

    And for the many who wonder, tomorrow morning we have negative forecasts and snow. De-icing in May, now that’s a very upsetting variety of global warming in southern Germany.

  10. It never ceases to amaze me that the greens, hell-bent on virtue-signaling, can erect bird choppers and do away with nuclear. There simply is no other industry that is allowed to chop up our feathered friends wholesale. All in the name of zero carbon, which is quite different than zero pollution. Sweden? Global Warming? The cows give up milkshakes it’s so cold there, you think they would figure this freezing your butt off thing out.

  11. How are they going to power all those new mosques and Islamic centers? Those green Swedes are actually secret Islamophobes and racists!

  12. “Now, electricity supplies in urban areas can’t keep up and that could exacerbate a slowdown already impacted by global uncertainty and Brexit.”
    so project fear now adds a slowdown in Sweden to the list of woes caused by Brexit? These remoaners are fairly giving the climastrologists a run for their money in the ‘epic bovine excrement’ competition.

    Stockholm’s Olympic Organising Committee can learn about going green from South Australia – once you realise how useless your investment in whirly-gigs turned out to be, just buy in a shed-load of deisel generators to keep the lights on; hide them away where no one can see them and distract the faithful’s attention with a big battery in a feild somewhere.
    Anyone in Malmo who can’t get enough ‘lecky to charge their swanky BMV i3 can just run an extension cord to Norway once it’s much maligned hydro dams become ‘the battery of Europe’.
    What could go wrong?

  13. They’re letting the country go Muslim anyways, so I can see all of them just shrugging their shoulders and saying “who cares anymore”.

    • Go figure Muslim mass immigration in Europe. These lefty populations rail against (an imaginary) patriarchal tyranny that underpins the corrupt Western civilization…and the associated toxic masculinity that powers and motivates the underlying tyrannical social hierarchy. AND THEN THEY SUCK UP TO (and bow down to) the AUTHENTICALLY PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY of ISLAM…where daughters are sold to their cousins back in Syria, and wives are allowed out in public only with facial coverings…and the like.

      They persecute the (vanishing) domestic clergy that try to resist sex education that teaches “Birgette has 2 Mommies”… BUT THEN SHUTS DOWN THAT PROGRAM AS SOON AS THE LOCAL IMAM OBJECTS. (btw, I don’t care how they teach their kids).

      They tolerate the muslim influx because they are fellow travelers of sorts in that they both despise western civilization…Especially the US.

      Strategically, we should call their bluff and actually beat their emissions targets with a massive Nuclear build-up program, which shows signs of becoming politically possible.

      • “… with a massive Nuclear build-up program …”

        Why on Earth nuclear? If it was cheaper than coal the Chinese would be going nuclear but they’re not. While there may be a lot of things the Chinese communists could be criticised for, being stupid isn’t one of them.

  14. It’s a question thats often to the forefront of my mind, if the government gets its way and we all end up driving an ev then where will all the extra juice come from?

    • When ten million cars in a metropolitan area all plug in at five thirty in the evening…?

  15. Quite a future… I think Agenda 21 called for a “withdrawal” of humans from the wilderness and letting it revert back to “nature”. 3 hard winters oughta’ do it.

    • What wilderness? By the time they finish building wind turbines the far North will all be concrete…

      • And all the CO2 sucking trees were shredded and sent to England to fuel the Drax power plant. More circular logic from the left.

  16. Intelligence is falling in several developed countries and Sweden is no exception. There has been a downward curve according to brain researcher Martin Ingvar

    Declining IQ levels have caused a rift between the older and the younger generations. It used to be that younger, well-educated residents knew more than the older generation. It is now the other way around in many developed countries

  17. Wind produces a small percentage of Sweden’s power so attributing the shortage to wind doesn’t smell right. I’m guessing in their zeal to out virtue signal their neighbors they just shot themselves in the foot and cut it too close. They may think of themselves as an engineering country but obviously not power engineering.

    • markl, you say “Wind produces a small percentage of Sweden’s power“. OK, let’s check that:-
      https://understandsolar.com/sweden-will-be-worlds-first-clean-energy-powered-nation/
      Tiny clean energy powered Sweden is already second in the world in wind power per capita.
      Sweden has almost 500 MW of wind, split between only 10 million people, so each person has almost half a kilowatt just of wind, if apportioned on a per person basis.
      …”.
      Yes, you are right.
      It’s frightening how feeble wind energy is. Wind energy will destroy a country’s economy long before it gets to generate a decent proportion of total energy needed.

      • Mike,
        You probably know full well that the 500MW number is NAMEPLATE capacity, which no windmill will never actually generate except for brief peaks. At best, averaged over it’s lifetime, a modern windmill will only manage about 20% of that. So yeah, one tenth of a kilowatt (100 watts) per person isn’t much. But even at that level, it makes the grid less stable. And as they add more, it will only get worse.

      • Sweden primary energy supply 2017

        Oil 28.6%
        Natural Gas 1.3%
        Coal 3.5%
        Nuclear 27.3%
        Hydro 26.9%
        Renewables 12.4%

        Electricity

        Nuclear 40.1%
        Hydro 39.5%
        Solar 0.1%
        Wind 10.6%
        Geothermal/Biomass 7.5%

        • MIke, it never does. Renewable haters can’t be bothered with facts. Best to ignore them.

  18. Oh the irony of the fossil fuels required for the helicopter and the manufacturing of the de-icing compounds. Not quite so green afteral, except for the green being paid out to make the windmill usable.

  19. I’m following here a thread on a UK renewable energy forum…
    The thread starter is in a remote part of Northern Ireland, has his own sizeable wind turbine and has twin 6kW heat pumps to heat his house.
    His grid connection is single phase and shared with 2 other houses.
    They have complained to the electricity supply company about the lights in their houses keep flickering – presumably it must be fairly bad for them to do that.

    The guy has come clean and suggested the flickering lights are cause by the 6kW motor in his heat pump starting up. Seemingly it has destroyed 3 soft-start circuit boxes in the last 10 years.

    The Electric Supply Company sent round A Muppet who suggested he switch off his wind mill AND his home heating ‘for a few days’ to see if that cleared the complaints about flickering lights.
    In Northern Ireland at this time of year? Are You Insane?

    But somebody here in the UK definitely is, all new houses built after (I think) 2025 will have only heat pumps for home heating.
    Those homes are going to be uninhabitable, not just for people but any electronic kit that’s in there – it wasn’t (previously) called ‘Computer Grade power’ without good reason

    We are spiralling into a Black Hole of our own creation.
    Oh hello Mr Ehrlich, any comment?
    “No”
    Thought not

    • It will be just like the UK was before North Sea gas. They loved to pretend that they didn’t like central heat.

    • UK must be using an inferior heat pump. (We are in central Washington State.)
      We have had an air-sourced heat pump for about 12 years.
      It is a Trane XL1800 and we have it serviced every 2 years.
      We never have problems with electricity.
      When really cold it has resistance heaters.
      We have a modern wood stove for emergency use. Not needed in 12 years.

      The Electric Supply Company sent round A Muppet
      Sounds like there is a need for a new Muppet.

      • I agree. I have a heat pump and so has most of my neighbors. No such problems.

        The only problem I have noticed is that when it is very cold (below -15 C) and it has to use the supplementary resistance heaters I can’t both cook and start a vacuum cleaner simultaneously without blowing a fuse. That is however not a severe limitation.

        • I quarterheartedly agree.
          Heat pumps draw a high momentary start-up current, perhaps around five times their normal operating current. If the only lights that flicker are the fellow’s with the heat pump, this Muppet would be checking whether the supply conductor to his house is undersized for its length… and causing excessive voltage drop. If the lights of neighbours connected to the same utility transformer also flicker, then I’d be looking at whether the utility transformer is undersized (and causing excessive voltage drop).

        • Heat pumps don’t work all that well in places where the air temperature can approach -40C unless they are part of a geothermal system. And in a place with electric rates about 50% higher than the national average here in the US, electrical resistance heating isn’t a viable alternative.

    • Oh yes, my current house came with 2 x12 kw air source heat pumps, installed by the previous owner complete with renewable heat initiative payments. Sounds good so far, but the opportunist manufacturer, in China, has gone bust, likewise the UK importer and agent, together with the installer, all recepients of UK government largesse aided by taxpayers. No support, no spares, instant obsolescence after only six years. Even when working , in a 300 year old massive stone farmhouse, temperatures rarely climbed to 18 C. All ripped out now with proper oil central heating. Bliss!

    • If they lived in a 300 sqft home their lights wouldn’t flicker. LOL

  20. Great.
    I forsee some interesting new olympic sports.
    The kW/hr of power.
    Team Hampster wheel.
    Screaming at the sky.
    The mind boggles.

  21. 2 questions:
    1. Which countries are not in the lunacy business of shutting down nuclear reactors and coal fired power plants, banning fracking, stopping oil and gas drilling and mandating the installation of wind and solar?
    2. Which countries will benefit from the country in countries that buy into the green lunacy?

  22. Where I live, in Ontario, 60% of our electricity comes from nuclear power and about 25% from hydro, with the balance being divided between natural gas generation and wind power.

    It’s really surprising that our previous Liberal provincial government (and our current Liberal federal government) have hardly ever breathed a word about shutting down those big nukes. They’ve even done a lot of rebuilding and refitting, extending their useful lives, so that the oldest nuke at Pickering, vintage 1967, is still running for another decade or more.

    These reactors use the CANDU system, where heavy water is both coolant and moderator. This gives them a better inherent level of safety than most other uranium-based reactors: if the flow of coolant stops, the reaction stops too without (much of a) meltdown. I doubt that our Liberal politicians understand enough of this to cure them of anti-nuclear fever, so I have to conclude that they just don’t have a bad case of the infection.

    Surprising, as I say, but in a pleasant way. Which is unusual these days, but a reason to be thankful. Our previous provincial Liberal government spent vast amounts of our money to try and replace the 15 percent of our electric supply that used fossil fuel with wind power. The retail price of electricity almost doubled, and this – more than anything – lost them the last election. If they had tried to shut down the nukes as well, things would have got very ugly. very fast.

    We should be thankful for small mercies – in this case a medium-sized mercy.

    Meanwhile our feds are doing their best to shut down oil and gas production in Canada (with a hard focus on the “dirtier than dirty” Athabasca oil sands), while simultaneously pretending that they’re not. Their cynical duplicity is becoming more transparent every day.

    • Just wait. No new nukes in the planning stage and what happens 10 years out when the present nukes are in end of life? Looks like bad news to me.

      • Bruce

        There are 21 atomic reactor generators in Ontario. The CANDU system is working well. Everything can be refitted using the same buildings – after all, that is a huge investment. No need to waste it.

        With time, concrete gets stronger. Maybe old facilities will be preferred in future. Let’s check in 20 years to find out how it goes.

  23. Sweden should win the bid for the Olympics. I can see nothing more instructive for the world than to show that renewable energy can provide reliable power. If the Olympic selection committee fails to choose them then they may as well admit publicly that renewable energy is a colossal failure.

    • Please, Sweden’s use of wind and solar is minimal. Reliable? Instructive? More fake news. Please get a grip on what wind and solar really delivers to the world’s energy. Your comments show you obviously don’t have a clue what “reliable power” is.

      • “Sweden’s use of wind and solar is minimal. ”

        Unfortunately not. I live in Sweden and the whole country is infested with wind power plants. Where you are right is that they produce little power and solar even less. However that has not prevented our greens from taxing and regulating our very reliable nuclear power plants to death.

        Worral’s description is essentially correct. Shortage of electrical power is becoming a serious problem in many areas.

      • Do I really need a /sarc tag when I say that renewable energy is reliable power???

  24. Here’s a related paper the Swedes might want to read and consider.
    https://www.academia.edu/38891704/Is_Green_Growth_Possible?auto=download&campaign=weekly_digest
    Is Green Growth Possible?

    The notion of green growth has emerged as a dominant policy response to climate change and ecological breakdown. Green growth theory asserts that continued economic expansion is compatible with our planet’s ecology, as technological change and substitution will allow us to absolutely decouple GDP growth from resource use and carbon emissions. This claim is now assumed in national and international policy, including in the Sustainable Development Goals. But empirical evidence on resource use and carbon emissions does not support green growth theory. Examining relevant studies on historical trends and model-based projections, we find that: (1) there is no empirical evidence that absolute decoupling from resource use can be achieved on a global scale against a background of continued economic growth, and (2) absolute decoupling from carbon emissions is highly unlikely to be achieved at a rate rapid enough to prevent global warming over 1.5°C or 2°C, even under optimistic policy conditions. We conclude that green growth is likely to be a misguided objective, and that policymakers need to look toward alternative strategies.

  25. This is the UN’s agenda for the world. Kill all economies for their elite friends who believe we 9 to 5 ers are the maggots of the earth. Population control by killing the world economies is the goal.

    • That article is from 2013, so one may assume is is even worse today 6 years later.

    • there are many WECs that do not use rare earth magnets.
      For example:
      ENERCON WECs produce clean energy without neodymium 29.04. 2011

      ENERCON wind energy converters (WECs) generate electricity in an environmentally friendly way without the use of the controversial element, neodymium. The gearless WEC design on which all WEC types – from the E-33/330 kW to the E-126/7.5 MW – are based includes a separately excited annular generator. The magnetic fields required by the generator to produce electricity are created electrically. By design, and unlike the majority of competing products, ENERCON WECs do without permanent magnets whose production requires neodymium.

      • So they have to use some of the electricity they generate to power the magnets. Sounds wonderful. NOT.

        • This is correct. But of course this is also true of thermal generators!
          However also remember that when a WEC is recycled the magnets will still be ther ready for remanufacture

      • Electromagnets increase the auxiliary load on the generator, thereby decreasing net output. They also add considerable weight to the unit. Neodymium is much lighter than copper windings or natural magnets. Electromagnets are prone to corrosion shorting the windings, where neodymium lasts indefinitely (not that it much matters in a wind generator). At least the output stays steady until the lube system eventually takes it out.

        • pop paisa
          weight is reduced because no gears are used between blades and generator

      • As a rock & roll bassist in my 60’s, I crave neodymium speakers, They are featherweight in comparison to conventional magnets, and not being a star, I have to carry my own equipment.

        I wonder though, how many green savvy musicians actually know that radioactive waste was produced for us to save our backs?

  26. My three irrigation water storage tanks are from the local airport and originally contained de-icer for commercial airplanes. I had to go out to see what is used for deicing – propylene Glycol. Wikipedia gives the manufacturing process and the source material is a byproduct of oil and natural gas production. So, I have to ask how green is that?

      • Propylene glycol is non-toxic. It has even been used as a food additive. Ethylene glycol is (moderately) toxic.

        I happen to know since I was involved in shifting aircraft de-icing fluids from ethylene to propylene glycol back in the seventies, though this was more due to environmental concerns than direct toxicity.

  27. Thanks for the article Eric Worrall.
    Swedish CO₂ ambition feel-good went royal around 2017.
    At the Royal Palace in Stockholm, the king was given 600 solar panels to be install on his Majesty’s ~600 room palace. The 600 panels are expected to supply 10% of palace’s consumption.
    https://carl-fh.com/images/offsite/royal-palace-stockholm-april-2018.jpg
    Yes, great. So if the palace should have been 100% supplied by PV, then they should have had ~6000 PVs or maybe treble that combined with lots of battery storage Ni-Fe, Li-Ion, liquid metal or whatever useless.
    His Majesty King Carl XVI Gustaf is very pro the thought of Sweden becoming 100% renewable by 2040, and he is hereby doing his best to help achieve this goal.
    I am baffled by this. Sweden get less than 1% of it’s electricity from solar. Hey, we are not too far from the North Pole, the Sun is not really so supportive up here, in Canada, or Siberia.
    Sweden used to be the perfect country with respect to not providing plant food (CO₂) from electricity production. It used to be very cheap too, consisting of solely hydro and nuclear. One would have thought this would be to the Greta and her fellow CAGW bed wetters 100% satisfaction.
    Glad I have my 8kW diesel generator, just need to find something different from diesel to fill in the tank, something they have not put 200% tax on.

  28. In the north of Sweden they will be very happy when the winter day comes and the car-heating plugged in every car is out of function because of power shortage 😀

    • Actually no. Most hydro power is up north. It is southern Sweden, including Stockholm that is in trouble. Nuclear power is in the south and the high-tension network was built based on this.

      As the nukes go out of service and an increasing proportion of the power comes from wind power, the loads on the main lines from the North has increased and at the same times become more and more unpredictable since it is not known in advance where wind power is being produced.

      This was foreseen, but building new transmission lines has been held up by NIMBYism and lawfare. Problems are exacerbated by uncontained moslem immigration to the major cities.

  29. It may be of interest to tell what has suddenly made this problem acute. Almost all Swedish cities use area heating. This heating is produced by plants which produce both hot water and electricity, which gives a very high efficiency (up to 90%). This power production is tightly coupled to hot-water production, but this is no real problem as this is also closely tied to the consumption of electricity (both essentially depend on temperature).

    Most such plants now burn biomass or garbage (much of it imported), but a few still burn coal, particularly one large plant in Stockholm (Värtaverket). In April the red-green government announced drastic tax raises for electricity from such plants starting August 1.

    To avoid drastic rate raises for heating Stockholm Energy has decided to stop producing electrical power from Värtaverket and partially close it down, which will mean a shortfall of 0.5 GWh next winter in the Stockholm area. This will turn the transmission capacity problem from tight to critical.

    https://nyheteridag.se/elbrist-och-50-000-ton-extra-koldioxid-resultatet-av-rodgrona-regeringens-skattehojningar/

    • An other way heating at least small areas is to use the cooling engines liquefier or condenser to heat the parking areas instead to put them as usual on the roof.
      At least, the parkings stay snow and icefree

  30. Any country straddling only one time zone will have massive peaks and troughs as industry is replaced by domestic use nationwide. In the UK this is of the order of 10GW peak to trough (on a maximum use of 40GW).

    The power generators and grid has to be capable of dealing with this on a daily basis.
    [ Nuclear will not be capable using current technology. See the French grid were nuclear is king. The nuclear output will track seasonal but not hourly changes, Some of the peak load is made up from Germany. ]
    The wind can be predicted at least a few hours in advance and shortfalls relatively simply made up as is done in the daily cycle.
    In the UK the peak wind is about 12GW and minimum about a few hundred MW.

    • “The wind can be predicted at least a few hours in advance and shortfalls relatively simply made up as is done in the daily cycle”

      Yes, provided you have plenty of gas turbines or hydro power, preferably hydro. And unless there is a sudden problem, like in South Australia, when the lack of inertia in wind power won’t give you time to start peakers. Also you better have a lot of fuel for the gas turbines / well filled reservoirs for when there is a stationary high pressure in winter and wind goes offline for a prolonged period.

  31. There are real engineering limits to how much CO2 emissions wind and sun can achieve.

    Germany has reached that point. Where installing more wind and sun gathering stuff does not reduce total German CO2 emissions.

    http://www.cfact.org/2014/12/16/germanys-energy-transformation-unsustainable-subsidies-and-an-unstable-system/

    Marita Noon: Germany’s “energy transformation:” unsustainable subsidies and an unstable system
    A few months ago, Bloomberg reported that, due to increased coal consumption: “Germany’s emissions rose even as its production of intermittent wind and solar power climbed fivefold in the past decade”—hence Merkel’s potential embarrassment on the global stage where she’s put herself in the spotlight as , aa leader in reducing emissions“renewable” sources by 2050.

    The coming age of power cannibalism…Germany on the verge of committing energy suicide

    Yet Germany has a unique peculiarity: its leaders sometimes exhibit a stunning inability to recognize when the time has come to abandon a lost cause. So far €500 billion (William: €500 billion is $750 billion US) has already been invested in the “Energiewende”, which is clearly emerging as a failure. Yet all political parties continue to throw their full weight behind the policy rather than admitting it is a failure (which would be tantamount to political suicide). Instead, the current government coalition has even decided to shift into an even higher gear on the path to achieving its objective of generating 80% of German electric power from “renewable” sources by 2050.

    the situation is practically unmanageable now with 25% renewable energy (William: Note that the Germans are receiving 25% of their electrical power from green scams, the actual carbon reduction is only 15% to 25% due to requirement to turn on/off/on/off single cycle natural gas power plants rather than to run combine cycle more efficient power plants (20% more efficient which explains why actual CO2 emission reduction is less than 20% not 25% which is CAGW lie.) that take 10 hours to start and that are hence left on for weeks), it’ll be an uncontrollable disaster when (if) it reaches 80%.

  32. THE TOO MANY: why don’t [greedy, evil] utilities just build smart grids and [benevolent] governments just enforce buy-back at retail? Or [to make up for perceived greediness] more than retail? Plus [free money] incentives for home owners in Pleasantville [no multifamily unit or slum dwellings need apply] to buy the stuff. And [one in a hundred thousand, owns own house free and clear, grossing $70+k/yr] solar home owner says, but it works for me.
    .
    THE TOO FEW: Grid already running near peak capacity because it was never built out for surplus, it was built as needed. Energy costs for base load generation plants is volatile and variable. Capital spent on new base load generation NOT re-designing and re-building infrastructure in Your Little Neighborhood.
    .
    THE TOO MANY: but solar and wind generate during [daytime not night, never mind Winter] peak hours and so will we once the government gives us free money to buy all this great solar stuff so it’s all good and when this [unlikely miracle] happens those base load plants can just bug off. While we’re operational that is. We’ll stay connected to the grid for old time’s sake and to sell our power to the [evil] power company. Storage batteries will come along and will solve everything. For a day at least.
    .
    THE TOO FEW: Who’s willing to run some the odds that a geographically dispersed network of solar/wind hipsters each feeding a little bit into the grid is sure to keep it stable and keep this 24×7 factory running? What are the odds of a cascading domino failure triggered by the first untoward event, where the hipsters and tiny federally-subsidized hipster companies will drop off the grid quickly, like flies, to satisfy their own local needs?
    .
    THE TOO MANY: Fuck the factory, and fuck those other grid people who do not embrace small scale or personal power solutions. They’re probably wasting loads of energy anyway.
    .
    THE TOO FEW: Okay, imagine trying to light a sports stadium with ten million tiny Christmas tree bulbs. The kind wired in series where whole sections go dark when one bulb fails. Now imagine that on the supply side, with a truly incomprehensible number of possible points of failure in place, instead of the historically reliable method of a few, professionally maintained gigawatt plants that generate base load energy 24×7…
    .
    THE TOO MANY: Sounds great! It would probably be good for the planet too.
    .
    THE FEW: [double facepalm]

    Quoting myself again (so you don’t have to!) One of my man rants.

  33. It might be wise to build a gas turbine plant of sufficient size to power the entire Olympic venue and use it afterwards to supply additional power as (will very likely be) needed.

  34. “How could this situation arise in the engineering nation of Sweden?”

    Because many Engineers, like many Scientists, like many people, so and do whatever they need to do to keep pay cheques coming in. They know renewables are bullshit in the bigger picture but will work diligently to ensure their particular project is delivered on tim and on budget , so salaries and performance bonuses are collected. Does it all make sense?? someone elses problem.

  35. Hey businesses in Sweden! Come to Texas! We have lots of energy here. We LIKE jobs, and factories, and making things. We have lots of room here. We welcome capitalism.

  36. building turbines in the far North of an Arctic nation which experiences brutal snow storms. –> Swedish heavy rescue :

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