Eco-woke Journalist: “We’re losing the war on climate change”

Bill McKibben issuing a deadline at some climate event…

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

A green journalist despairs that ordinary people are so far unmoved by school child climate heroes, mass hippy protests and Bill McKibben’s apocalyptic climate rants.

We’re losing the war on climate change

Analysis by John D. Sutter, CNN
Updated 0006 GMT (0806 HKT) April 22, 2019

(CNN)
For years now, people like environmentalist and journalist Bill McKibben have been screaming from the treetops that we need a World War II-scale mobilization to fight the scourge of climate change. 

I mean, yes, I’ve met Greta Thunberg, the Swedish teen who is “schooling world leaders” on climate policy and who started a global school walkout movement. …

But the scale of the outrage in no way matches the magnitude of this disaster, which, like WWII, threatens to cripple or even obliterate human life on the planet as we know it.

We’ve known the truth about climate change — that people are burning fossil fuels and warming the atmosphere, with potentially catastrophic consequences — for decades now. James Hansen testified about the dangers of global warming when he was an NASA scientist in 1988. The New York Times headline: “Global Warming Has Begun, Expert Tells Senate.” 

Since then, the eco-woke among us have created more than enough deadlines to try to force change. In 1990, as George Marshall wrote in his book “Don’t Even Think About It,” the magazine Ecologist published a book called “5,000 Days to Save the Planet.” About 5,000 days later, the Institute for Public Policy Research declared that there were “Ten Years to Save the Planet.” In 2008, he wrote, the New Economics Foundation said it was “100 Months to Save the World.”

Project Drawdown and others have identified and ranked the solutions that work. But to date, there have not been enough carbon taxes or other incentives to scale those ideas globally.

Read more: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/21/world/sutter-earth-day-climate-scn/index.html

John mentions he contributed to the litany of climate deadlines, with his 100 days to save the world piece back in 2015.

But does personally issuing just one climate deadline really constitute a serious effort to motivate the deplorables?

If journalists like John had say issued us with a new climate deadline every month, or even a new deadline every week, surely at least we’d have a global carbon tax by now. We might even be well on the way to handing control of the global economy to someone like Green New Deal architect Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

Face it John, you’re just not trying hard enough.

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James R Newman
April 21, 2019 10:03 pm

When you scream Wolf over and over decade after decade and the wolf never appears then people start to realize you’re a liar.

Bill Powers
Reply to  James R Newman
April 22, 2019 7:13 am

Right!? How can the alarmists be so oblivious to that? When you miss deadlines in other jobs you lose them. Climate and weather seem to be the only occupations were getting it wrong never costs you your job and can actually lead to Government Grants.

It is why the always predict out gloom and doom at least one generation Oops! Nevermiiiind. Now for my next prediction…

Wait! What? Did that idiotic Congress Critter just say 12 years!! Some of these children will still be children!

Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
Reply to  Bill Powers
May 4, 2019 2:34 am

We know in the future, the environ-mental movement will be the butt of some joke …but I was wondering what kind of moral story it will have. The usual way these work is to suggest that “our generation isn’t as stupid as this previous generation …”, but there is also a implied morality as in “you should listen more to academics … “, “don’t cry wolf…”.

Of course, the big irony is that the same groups who are now pushing the climate cult will in future be the ones moralising about the “stupidity” of our generation. So, the obvious cause (don’t listen to the idiot celebs/journalists/politicians) clearly can’ t be the moral of the future joke about our generation.

I hope I live long enough to see how it turns out.

Gunnar Littmarck
Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
May 4, 2019 9:41 am

Show the fact that no one have been able to detect increased greenhouse effect in the IR CO2 act as greenhouse gas.

Then link to one that say it is the first to do that and show that they don´t

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-carbon-dioxide-greenhouse-effect.html?fbclid=IwAR3oxe4s9w1KrFHfahDDsloYCu83cOnrGwYFxz4Tswb7yAo4nhGie2skYFc

Then show that the last inter glacial was 8C warmer for 6000 years on Greenland but just reduce the ice with 25% no negative tipping points, 2,5 C warmer global.

https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-climate-of-the-past/

Then that desert radiate more energy than forest for the fact that out radiated energy increase with the power of four to the temperature, every ice age theories has higher temperature differences no one less greenhouse effect.

Human activity have decrease as much area as Amazon just the last 20 years with out that the global average temperature would have been lower.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows

It is important to use institutes that have the trust from climate activists.

Gutta cavat lapidem non vi, sed saepe cadendo.

Tommyboy
Reply to  James R Newman
April 22, 2019 12:44 pm

Exactly!
Future generations will have as part of their shared culture a cautionary tale entitled.
The Environmental Movement Who Cried Wolf.

Robert Wykoff
Reply to  James R Newman
April 22, 2019 3:02 pm

Where do we go to find out we are all dead?

Gums
Reply to  James R Newman
April 22, 2019 3:42 pm

Salute!

No problem folks. This young lady can explain it all in about a minute;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiP7IuDAanc

Gums….

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  James R Newman
April 22, 2019 8:25 pm

Eco-warriors don’t scream wolf, they cry “Polar bear!” With real tears, too.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
April 22, 2019 8:51 pm

And they will search out that lone dying bear to cry over. Or rather as a prop for propaganda and donation-begging.

tim wells
Reply to  James R Newman
April 22, 2019 11:20 pm

Yes, but they haven’t always cried wolf. First it was global warming which was crying ‘wild dog’.
Then it was climate change which was crying ‘hound of the baskervilles’. Now it is extreme weather/ disruption/ human extinction blah blah, which is really crying ‘wolf’. Watch those goal posts!

WXcycles
Reply to  James R Newman
April 23, 2019 5:00 am

Their basic problem is they’ve totally failed to grasp that in known earth history terms, actual climate-change does NOT occur on the time-scale of a human life time, it changes only over the course of multiple centuries, or even millennia. It actually CAN’T be observed via a mere satellite, or by a CO2 sensor graph, nor via tweaking 150 year old thermometer records and pretending, “Look! The climate! it changed!”

Climate Science™ isn’t.

D Cage
Reply to  James R Newman
April 23, 2019 8:03 am

And also when you tell people you must not question they equate the movement with a religion and dismiss it because they expect to be allowed to question science with basic questions like have any of the predictions ever failed and if so why?

Phantor48
April 21, 2019 10:10 pm

It’s easy to lose a war when you are out of ammunition.

KcTaz
Reply to  Phantor48
April 21, 2019 11:33 pm

Even easier when your ammo was all blanks to begin with, Phantor.

Rod Evans
Reply to  KcTaz
April 22, 2019 12:14 am

100 +

KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 22, 2019 10:55 am

Ditto to Rod

Bryan A
Reply to  KaliforniaKook
April 22, 2019 12:32 pm

Tritto Kali Kook

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  Phantor48
April 22, 2019 2:20 am

or cannot shoot straight or just blast away mindlessly like some hillbilly taking on people with more than half a brain.

Memo to John D Sutter

It helps to have earned some credibility before you carry on like a headless chicken leaving a trail of your own blood, feathers and chicken poo. Pal there are large numbers of people with plenty of scientific education who are quietly telling their family, friends and acquaintances that CAGW is just alarmit crap, that it does not add up, that the temperature records might have well been dumpster dived insofar as their raw data quality have been post processed in scientific sewage farms bya large green blob of people with a vested interest in promoting CAGW.

As a journalist, maybe you should take a few drops of healthy skepticism before you get to work each day.

Reply to  Phantor48
April 22, 2019 3:04 am

I posted this on Bill McKibben’s twitter account – the first time I think I’ve posted on twitter.

Replying to @billmckibben and @macleans

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/1119684726514757632

On the other hand…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/14/hypothesis-radical-greens-are-the-great-killers-of-our-age/
______________

I hear chanting from outside, dogs are starting to howl in the night, and there’s a cross burning on my front lawn. Excuse me for a moment while I check it out…

Bryan A
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
April 22, 2019 12:14 pm

Grab the Marsh Mallows

AndyE
April 21, 2019 10:12 pm

Just as you told us in your previous article here at WUWT : WE HAVE WON

AndyE
Reply to  AndyE
April 21, 2019 10:43 pm

CORRECTION : in Tim Ball’s previous article!

rah
Reply to  AndyE
April 21, 2019 10:58 pm

I disagree! This enemy has to be stomped into the ground. When NASA, NOAA, and the Universities get honest about their “science” and all schools quit indoctrinating our kids with their climate change hog wash. When the UN is shamed into eliminating the IPCC, and politicians dare not try to use “climate change” as an excuse for incompetence. Then, we have won.

Scarface
Reply to  rah
April 21, 2019 11:29 pm

Exactly. We haven’t won nothing yet, perhaps a little time. This piece by McKibben is just a call to action for the true believers to once again double down on their efforts. And it works. The climate billions keep on rolling, in their way.

rah
Reply to  Scarface
April 22, 2019 2:26 am

“This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”. – Winston Churchill (November 10, 1942)

Churchill said that after the Commonwealth victory at El Alamein which drove Rommel out of Egypt for good. There was much hard fighting ahead just to get the Germans and Italians out of N. Africa and the Battle of the Atlantic, upon which ultimate victory would depend, was still raging. The month Churchill gave that speech the Allies had 142 ships sunk by U-boats.

Greg
Reply to  rah
April 22, 2019 2:29 am

Agreed, the current apathy due to people having real problems to deal with should not be seen as “victory”. Two whole generations have been indoctrinated with this BS. That will leave a heavy print on the future.

The total corruption of science by “activists-scientists” has destroyed the usefulness and credibility of science itself. Whether it is even possible walk that back to science based on reason and evidence, I’m not at all sure.

Reply to  AndyE
April 22, 2019 3:14 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/19/actress-emma-thompson-flies-5400-miles-to-join-anti-flying-climate-protest/#comment-2684888

[excerpt]

It is critical for the radical greens to continue to incite climate hysteria to maintain their momentum-of-fear. Their minions are suffering from crisis fatigue, and even the slowest ones are starting to realize that there is NO dangerous global warming and NO wilder weather crisis. Yes, it’s a gigantic scam, and even the dummies are starting to realize that.

There is ever-increasing scientific evidence that refutes their global warming (aka wilder weather) falsehoods. The radical greens are now fighting a rearguard action to delay long-overdue trials for their crimes against humanity.

Greg Woods
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
April 22, 2019 4:27 am

Reality can be a great teacher…

Roger Knights
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
April 22, 2019 2:12 pm

The main reason for green NGOs and their allies to preach alarmism is to maintain the torrent of donations on which their organizations depend.

Shoki Kaneda
Reply to  AndyE
April 22, 2019 3:18 pm

No, think of it more like an infection. Unless you completely eliminate the infection, it can, and likely will, recur.

Neville
April 21, 2019 10:13 pm

Who funds these morons? Meanwhile, China, India and the non OECD countries are laughing all the way to their banks.

Donald Kasper
Reply to  Neville
April 21, 2019 10:46 pm

China. They want us to deindustrialize.

KcTaz
Reply to  Donald Kasper
April 21, 2019 11:43 pm

Yes, and Russia and others who are invested in the downfall of Western Civilization. Soros, of course and as usual is chief among them, Plus Steyer and his fellow billionaire travelers and most others making a killing in the surest gamble in the world, wind, solar and bio-whatever. Big bucks to be made in these inefficient, environmentally destroying energy sources since they all get tax credits for building them so, efficiency and making a profit are irrelevant.
One of them is, at least, honest about it.
Big Wind’s Bogus Subsidies
Giving tax credits to the wind energy industry is a waste of time and money.
Warren Buffet

http://bit.ly/2zOQR5x

Thomas E.
Reply to  KcTaz
April 22, 2019 10:26 am

If I may be so bold to suggest a term you are looking for is “Rent Seekers”

KcTaz
Reply to  Thomas E.
April 22, 2019 1:59 pm

Yes, Thomas. Thank you.

Randizzle
Reply to  Neville
April 21, 2019 11:07 pm

You are paying for these fools!

KcTaz
Reply to  Neville
April 21, 2019 11:35 pm

Even easier when your ammo was all blanks to begin with, Phantor.

KcTaz
Reply to  KcTaz
April 22, 2019 12:08 am

Sorry, double comment, it seems and ended up in the wrong place. I meant to post this.
Big Wind’s Bogus Subsidies
Giving tax credits to the wind energy industry is a waste of time and money.
Warren Buffet

http://bit.ly/2zOQR5x
At least, Buffet is honest. Steyer et al are making a fotune on a no-risk gambles in wind, solar and bio-whatever because you and I are guaranteeing them a nice profit.

DocSiders
Reply to  Neville
April 22, 2019 4:02 am

That’s the beauty of this plan, the Fake Science and most of the dissemination of propaganda arising from the Fake Science is being paid for… by YOU !

Taxpayers are forking out around $10 Billion annually to NASA, NOAA, the Universities, and Crony Capitalists to study global warming and all of its POTENTIALLY horrible effects (i.e. find out how 0.5 degrees of warming MAY dangerously reduce the sperm count of flying squirrels…and the like). That’s around $500,000 every year to divvy up to each of the ~2000 (mostly brand new) Climate Scientist.

They get your money paid to them to help destroy the country you love. They are Marxist-socialists…that’s what they do.

Dave Fair
April 21, 2019 10:23 pm

Until someone in a position of authority suggest something(s) concrete to do about (especially) China, India and Africa, I will fight any and every proposal to implement CO2 taxes, mandated ‘green’ technologies, etc.

If the listed locations are ignored and not discussed, any talking head is not serious about the matter. Any ‘journalist’ that does not ask pertinent questions about those locations is complicit in the fleecing of the West.

Phillip Bratby
April 21, 2019 10:25 pm

There is definitely something mental about these fanatics.

Jimmy Haigh
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
April 21, 2019 10:31 pm

Yup! I call them “climate morons” now.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
April 22, 2019 6:44 am

EnvironMENTALists is always a good one.

beng135
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
April 22, 2019 8:20 am

Climate maroons in Bugs Bunny lingo.

Leon Brozyna
April 21, 2019 10:33 pm

Now let us not be misled by those environmentalists on this 22nd day of April … we must remember the true importance of this date … the birth of Bettie Page.

LittleOil
April 21, 2019 10:35 pm

In a recent post called The End Dr Tim Ball states he has leaving the fray because the sceptics have lost. This post proves him wrong. There is still much hope in the sceptic camp and Dr Ball has made a great contribution.

Rod Evans
Reply to  LittleOil
April 22, 2019 12:21 am

I read the piece from Tim and got the impression he was not saying the sceptics have lost. He was suggesting the science is won, but the battle is not on the science it is on hearts and minds. It has become a religious thing for the Greens. He wants to adopt a different tack to challenge them in their perceived high ground.
The Greens know they have lost the science debate and they refuse to engage with scientists who challenge them.

Another Ian
Reply to  LittleOil
April 22, 2019 1:03 am

“Just so you know – exponential environmental rhetoric growth turns into a joke right about…well, some time ago. Saving the planet just got a lot harder”

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/04/21/just-so-you-know-exponential-environmental-rhetoric-growth-turns-into-a-joke-right-aboutwell-some-time-ago-saving-the-planet-just-got-a-lot-harder/

Stuart Lynne
April 21, 2019 10:40 pm

There has definitely been an uptick in “shrillness” in the eco-alarmist community over the last 12-18 months.

I suspect (hope?) that might end up alienating a lot of people in the middle. I mean what is not to hate in the Green New Deal even if you possibly think that climate change might be real. When actions mean an actual severe change in lifestyle and taxes you start to rethink your options.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Stuart Lynne
April 22, 2019 12:34 pm

I don’t remember exactly, but a survey showed Americans were unwilling to spend more than about $20 on climate change mitigation.

Adam Gallon
April 21, 2019 10:40 pm

Did he write that straight-faced?
Noting that after every “Deadline” another one’s issued?

Rod Evans
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2019 12:31 am

The wooden spoon award I imagine then Eric. He clearly hasn’t the sense to realise not all awards are equal….
The Nobel Peace prize awaits.

Bryan A
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 22, 2019 12:16 pm

Or in Mikey Manns case The Nobel Piece Prize

David Chappell
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 22, 2019 2:47 am

Isn’t “investigative” what every journalist is supposed to be? Otherwise he/she is a mere reporter.

Joe
April 21, 2019 10:45 pm

Interesting that folks can hold both the idea that humanity can adapt to living on the Moon or Mars, but yet that same humanity cannot adapt to whatever changes the climate throws at us, in their minds at the same time. I find doing that difficult, myself.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joe
April 21, 2019 11:04 pm

Just getting a single human and a livable pressurized oxygen and water-containing habitat to the Moon will require enormous amounts of fossil fuel burn here on Earth.
So IF they want to help save the Earth, they can make it a one-way trip.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 23, 2019 10:06 am

Send them ALL there, then the whining stops and the “problem” can treated like the non-issue it has always been.

Catcracking
Reply to  Joe
April 22, 2019 4:54 am

Excellent point, these leftist rarely make any sense and are consistently inconsistent. Unfortunately this defective thinking extends beyond climate change into immigration, socialism, biology, and many other fields.

joe
April 21, 2019 10:46 pm

I am tired of climate activists failing to practice what they preach.

To all climate activists;
a) stop driving, take a bus, bike, and walk.
b) no more flying,
c) set your air conditioning at 80F, no lower
d) set your heating at 68F, no warmer
e) severely limit your usage of electrical devices.
f) stop having children.
g) live in one house of no more than 1000 ft2.

But YOU won’t do this will you? YOU won’t even do these simple little things. It is always someone else who has to cut back.

PS if YOU are not already doing items a to f, then stop advocating for climate change prevention.

PSS buying carbon credits doesn’t count. YOU have to actually cut back YOURSELF.

KcTaz
Reply to  joe
April 22, 2019 12:02 am

Joe,
The latest, from the genius, AOC, is that it is OK for true Armageddon Believers to fly, take Uber even when the Metro is a block away and use air planes and private jets (Sanders et al) is OK because until they force everyone to eschew those modes of travel, it won’t make any difference. When they force everyone (in the US, anyway) to do this, then and only then, they will, too. Yeah, right. Hypocrites is too kind a word for them.
Does anyone seriously think the “special people” of the world will forego their luxury travel when we, the masses, cannot drive a car or fly anywhere as she proposes or, take a high speed train to Hi., Australia or Europe?
Personally, I’d love to see those high speed trains over the oceans. They would be a blast in a hurricane or when ice burgs cover the rail.
Once upon a time, it was called indulgences. Now, it’s called carbon credits, though, I doubt AOC and her ilk have even bothered to appease Gaia with even those.

commieBob
Reply to  KcTaz
April 22, 2019 1:23 am

By AOC’s brilliant logic America should do nothing about CO2 until China does.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  commieBob
April 22, 2019 8:47 am

By AOC’s brilliant logic America should do …..

AOC’s brilliant logic is in a heapa trouble, to wit:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s surging national profile has inspired a trio of Republican opponents from her home district — along with a multimillionaire mystery donor who could help close the gap in her foes’ long-shot race against her.

Just three months after taking office, the Democratic socialist congresswoman’s challengers include an Egyptian American journalist, who has already tossed her hat in the ring, and an NYPD cop-turned-high-school-civics teacher and conservative talk-radio producer, both of whom are seriously exploring a run against her.

And the fledgling challengers could get help from a wealthy New Yorker committed to backing an Ocasio-Cortez opponent, a GOP big said.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-targeted-by-mystery-multimillionaire-donor

joe
Reply to  KcTaz
April 22, 2019 5:27 am

KcTaz

Every time someone mentions taking action on climate change I call them out with points a to f. I am polite about it but I don’t take but, but, but for an answer.

If they ask what I am doing, I say I quite like a warmer planet. It’s been warmer before.

Bryan A
Reply to  KcTaz
April 22, 2019 12:31 pm

The High Speed Rail accross the oceans would need to be Under the surface to protect them from storms.

Susan
Reply to  joe
April 22, 2019 1:51 am

To see how much the general population cares about the environment just look at the litter left at popular beauty spots. People who can’t even be bothered to put their rubbish back in the car aren’t going to make serious sacrifices for the planet. Journalists always over-estimate the influence they have.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  joe
April 22, 2019 6:48 am

Joe, most of the things on your list still require a huge fossil fuel infrastructure. The only way to practice what they preach is to revert to hunter-gatherers. Naked and Afraid in the wilderness.

Gunnar Littmarck
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
April 22, 2019 7:26 am

There is just one technique we now that hav the potential to compete global with fossil energy.
https://info.ornl.gov/sites/publications/files/Pub29596.pdf

The model can be simplified, no control rods as the MSR that started nov. 1954 with 860 C in temperature.

No circulation pumps if the reactor are more vertical, super critical CO2 and closed Brayton cykel for electricity production and maybe NaCl as secondary salt if not pipes with super critical CO2 goes in the reactor.

Globally the market is unlimited for the fact that several billion risk there life in the hop to get more energy.

Many factories that produce one smr per day could produce H2 for synthetic fuel (with have cleaner exhaust then the air modern engines tak in) and industrial process heat when the local electrical effect is fulfilled.

Poor region don´t have to invest in expensive grid and the modern walk away safe reactors can work autonomously.

A wind mill with 12 MW demand more resources to build and operate than an modern smr with 900MW th (upp to 425MWe).

Sovjet produced 40 000 tanks in short time 70 years ago, Boeing build one big passenger plane every dag från the factory in Seattle 30 years ago.

With four times today´s global production of every energy energy form the modern society demand it can be a global welfare.

With out global welfare no global environment protection and more poor invade rich countries until we live behind wall in gated communitys.

I can just see one alternative for coal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_coal_gasification

Modern nuclear hav climate activists, the green movement, government who want energy to be as expensive as possible (thru extrem energy taxes her in Europe) and industry in subsidized energy, the toll is bureaucracy, but with industrial mass production that will be cheap.

William Astley
Reply to  joe
April 22, 2019 11:15 am

The problem is people cannot imagine life without electricity, cannot imagine life without technology/modern infrastructure, cannot imagine life with day electrical power outages.

The idiotic cult of CAGW have hidden the real problems. Caused us to waste trillions of dollars on green stuff that does not work.

Imagine a day without power in any major US city.

Take an overland holiday in real Africa.

Imagine massive shack cities without electricity and modern infrastructure.

https://qz.com/africa/1447621/africa-electrification-rate-slowest-globally/
Access to electricity is growing rapidly around the world—except in Africa
India, Bangladesh and Indonesia have all been success stories achieving electrification rates higher than 80% despite their vast
…As such, the population without access to electricity still stands at the big 600 million number.
The contrast of crawling electrification and booming population will likely remain prominent in coming decades given projected population growth on the continent.
https://qz.com/africa/1016790/more-than-half-of-the-worlds-population-growth-will-be-in-africa-by-2050/

More than half of the world’s population growth will be in Africa by 2050

Africa will account for the highest population spurt with an additional 1.3 billion people on the continent, a new UN population report shows.

Much of Africa’s population boom will come from Nigeria, currently the world’s 7th most populous country. By 2050, the report predicts, Nigeria will become the world’s third largest country by population,

Bryan A
Reply to  joe
April 22, 2019 12:29 pm

Take tht a step further…
Turn your heater off (if it is Natural Gas burning)
Install Solar Panels to run your A/C and disconnect that breakef from your grid sourced electric panel.
Or completely sever from your Grid Sourced power if your grid is being fed by Fossil Sources.

Joel O'Bryan
April 21, 2019 11:00 pm

“…the eco-woke among us…”

It obviously never occurred to him that this is exactly their communication problem.
They come off as Looney-tunes, because they are exactly that.

Jones
April 21, 2019 11:19 pm

I’d say we have, at best, 2-3 billions years to save Gaia.

beng135
Reply to  Jones
April 23, 2019 9:47 am

That that much. IIRC, ~1 billion yrs until the sun’s increasing output brings Earth’s temps up to near boiling. But if we’re smart/capable enough, we’ll steer/control a big asteroid into a near-orbit to gradually pull Earth outward to counteract the sun’s effect.

tom0mason
April 21, 2019 11:22 pm

Lose the virtual battle, lose this phony war — whatever!
Life will endure, humanity will continue.
So the planet gets a little warmer with CO2 levels naturally getting off the starting blocks.
What’s not to like? We are now out of the LIA are we not?
A warmer, damp planet with CO2 levels better able to support life — things ARE getting better!
Or are you believing the misanthropes who can only see environmental doom and necessary human catastrophic disaster at the end of this beautiful climate rainbow.
Are you the one that wishes all our futures to be defined by the rules imposed by power hungry misanthropes and charlatans at the UN — and if you do, why should the rest of us tolerate it?

Alan Tomalty
April 21, 2019 11:22 pm

” In 1990, as George Marshall wrote in his book “Don’t Even Think About It,” the magazine Ecologist published a book called “5,000 Days to Save the Planet.” About 5,000 days later, the Institute for Public Policy Research declared that there were “Ten Years to Save the Planet.” In 2008, he wrote, the New Economics Foundation said it was “100 Months to Save the World.”

When they are engrossed in a religion, they fail to see any red flags. In fact they don’t see any flags at all. Reasoning ability is in short supply for a true believer. Disciples of Al Gore’s Church of Climatology are now told not to even engage with deniers like us.

KcTaz
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 21, 2019 11:50 pm

He does work for CNN which seems to be severely allergic to all facts on any subject, Alan.

Chaamjamal
April 21, 2019 11:24 pm
Rod Evans
Reply to  Chaamjamal
April 22, 2019 1:03 am

Jeez, them facts just keep coming, it is so reassuring to know scientific facts and scientific rigour are no longer necessary, cause the facts are the facts, as Attenborough can’t stop telling us, again, and again, and again, I wonder if he gets paid for this stuff? …..:)

F1nn
Reply to  Chaamjamal
April 22, 2019 2:23 am

Thank you Chaamjamal, again.

+100

DonM
Reply to  Chaamjamal
April 22, 2019 6:26 pm

“We’re not just talking about inconvenience. We’re talking about people’s lives and the lives of their communities being damaged. These things are a little too important to quibble about data and evidence and the scientific method, don’t you think? ” … Oreskes.

She could just as easily be talking about saving souls and communities from the devil’s influences.

(I had a substitute teacher (for three weeks) in 6th grade … Mr. Oreskes looked a lot like her. He was just as big of a douche as Naomi. I put a tack on his chair but he saw it before he sat down … it was about then that my emotional development stopped.)

KcTaz
April 21, 2019 11:30 pm

The CNN journalist, Mr. Sutter, seems to be oblivious to the fact that all of his deadlines have come and gone and the world is not only still here but doing pretty well, except for the record breaking cold and snow in many parts of the world this winter. I can’t imagine, Greta notwithstanding, why he has failed to move the masses with his End Of The World Is Nigh signs and proclamations.
Self-awareness, logic, facts and truth appear to be seriously lacking at CNN. This might explain why the were not even in the top 150 of viewed cable programs this last rating round.
armagedon for politics and climate change, seems to have a shelf-life CNN has exceeded.

ATheoK
April 21, 2019 11:37 pm

“Not an Analysis by John D. Sutter, CNN, just another spoiled urbanite elitist rant.
Since then, the eco-woke among us have created more than enough deadlines to try to force change.”

Deadlines? 100 days to “save the world”

Exactly what were you expecting John Sutter? To frighten people to do your desires?
To turn independent people with common sense into oblivious sheeple?

As Joe above points out, you have obviously not followed the demands you expect of others.
* Have you started raising your own food?
* Eaten those foods mostly raw?
* Started spinning your own natural fibers and weaving your fabrics manually?
* Started sewing together your fabrics into clothes?
* Doing without heat?
* Doing with air conditioning during hot weather?
* Fetched your own water from a well by bucket?
* Washed your self with the water in that bucket?
* Walked or ridden your bicycle everywhere?
* Dug your own pit for your toilet?By hand?
* Started making your own paper from natural fibers?
* Hand wrote every article without using computers, networks, electronic communications?
* Hand wrote letters on paper of your own manufacture and posted them in the mail?

Doubtful. Very doubtful.
You appear to be another spoiled elitist urbanite who wants everyone else to pay the penalties and suffer the inconveniences you imagine are due for using fossil fuels.

You are nothing but a modern day religious fanatic wandering the streets wearing a modern sandwich sign that says “repent and be saved”.
A person with whom no-one wants to make eye contact.

Gwan
Reply to  ATheoK
April 22, 2019 1:47 am

Well spoken Atheok.
.Most people in the western world do not realize how every thing that we do consumes energy and schemes like the Green New Dream will severely limit energy whether it be electricity or fuel for transport .
I was born high up on a mountain and was brought up before electricity was reticulated to our part of New Zealand .
We did have a wind charger that charged car batteries for lighting but that was all .No refrigerator no washing machine .My mother had to light a fire under a copper to heat water to wash clothes.
A wood stove had a wet back that heated water to have a bath and for dish washing.
A cow was milked by hand every morning after chasing her around the paddock and the milk was stored in large bowels and the cream was skimmed off the next day to make butter by hand .
The skim milk was fed to a pig or two that provided pork bacon and ham.
A sheep was killed and kept in a meat safe on the cold side of the house in the winter but when the weather warmed up a sheep was shared between two or three neighbors as it would soon go off in the heat.
A large vegetable patch was kept but it was too windswept for fruit trees .
A draft horse was used to cart fencing materials and large bags of up and down steep ridges on a sledge.
Two man hand held cross cut saws were used to cut logs that were lying around into lengths for fence posts and then split with gelignite and then wedges and a mall .All that was purchased was wire and staples .
All the fencing was erected manually .
Horses were used for mustering sheep and cattle and were driven to saleyards on foot in earlier years a day and a half journey,but with a small saleyards being established closer the droving could be completed in about 6 hours .
Trucks were just starting to be used and my very early memory at the saleyards was of a truck tipping on its side in a slight dip full of sheep .The sheep were let out and a group of farmers lifted the truck back on to its wheels .
It was a hard slog every day .and most people now have very little idea how things were.
When the rain stopped for about 4 weeks we ran out of tank water at the house and had to go down the road in a pickup truck and run water running down the a bank above the road into drums for domestic use.
Put the modern generation back to these living conditions and they would soon reject the New green Dream.

Bryan A
Reply to  ATheoK
April 22, 2019 12:34 pm

Bicycles would need to vanish as well.
I believe that Rubber Tires require Oil in their manufacture

Alan Tomalty
April 21, 2019 11:38 pm

“The deadlines aren’t the problem. It’s our failure to heed them. ”

This was the “best” hilarious quote of them all.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 22, 2019 5:18 am

It’s not the fall from a great height that kills you; it’s the landing.
It’s not the rain that gets you wet, it is going out into the rain.
It’s not hunger that poor people suffer from; it’s lack of food.
So many great truths; so little time.

Non Nomen
April 22, 2019 12:40 am

These guys just don’t get it: There is no CAGW. There may be GW, but warmer is better.
These journos are wasting their time by writing complaints. They do not give information about how to adapt and prepare for GW properly. Why? MSM can make huge profits in advertising cooling suits, manually operated a/c, dry ice manufacturing, cave rentals etc.

ColinD
April 22, 2019 12:48 am

No self-awareness, I don’t see any acknowledgement that the forecast catastrophe attached to these deadlines never comes to pass. Always just a bit further away but it will surely happen, so repent!

Herbert
April 22, 2019 1:31 am

Having just flown out of Heathrow on Good Friday, it was sad to see brainwashed youths sitting outside the Terminals sitting on banners reading ” The Last Generation”.
Although the “Extermination Rebellion” had threatened to close Heathrow after causing significant turmoil in London inner city earlier in the week, only some 15 protestors turned up initially on the Friday, and were outnumbered by police both outside and inside the Terminals.
No, they are not the “Last Generation” and they and their children will live to see this stupidity play out to their embarrassment.
What is more worrying is to see adults particularly in the MSM condoning such nonsense and applauding their often illegal activities.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Herbert
April 22, 2019 2:39 am

if they have kids as daft as them…one hopes they dont breed! and that they are the last gen of their bloodline
the rest of us are better off without them Darwin Awards all round for ER members

M J Gilding
April 22, 2019 1:39 am

A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.

Max Planck

How old are you Mr McKibben?

Greg
April 22, 2019 2:32 am

Wow, Bill McKibben looks pretty tough when he’s on a roll. I certainly would not like to bump into him in a dark alley.

( OK, I lied )

Bryan A
Reply to  Greg
April 22, 2019 12:23 pm

Perhaps He might look a little less grumpy if that Roll and a little Bran in it..

Gunnar Littmarck
April 22, 2019 2:40 am

I wrote some after seen the Greta Thunberg hysteria, maybe to fast but the ting is that if we don´t show that the CO2 _threat is scientific rejected it will become a religion and critic will be punish as blasfemi.

May be som her can find any wrong in my word.

“”The CO2-threat is scientific rejected, No one have ben able to find less energy from earth to space in the wave length carbon dioxide act as greenhouse gas although satellites has detect earth out radiated spectra in 50 years.

First was a report published in Nature 2001 that compered 1970 with 1997, zero change of out radiated energy in 14,5-15,5 µm

Then 2015 Lawrence Berkeley NL clam that they was the first to find higher greenhouse effect as function of higher level of CO2 in earth atmosphere, but they just compered level of H2O with CO2 2000-2010 over a part of Oklahoma and Alaska. That´s cherry picking. If they just take outer time 2010-2018 for example or Colorado or the whole atmosphere they had get opposite result.
https://phys.org/…/2015-02-carbon-dioxide-greenhouse-effect…

For the CO-2 Threat to be real it not enough to find ledd out radiated energy to space as function of higher CO2, it must show that this not only can take earth to the more life friendly climate in last interglacial when earth was 2,5 C warmer and 8 C warmer during 6000 years on Greenland (the ice become 25% less then).

http://www.nbi.ku.dk/…/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-cli…/

To take earth out from this 2,6 million years long ice age the average temperature must be 5 C higher and that can be done with less desert.

Sahara radiate 16% more energy than the region had done if it was covered with as sick forest as Amazonas.

Recent years as much desert as Amazonas have become forest thank´s to human activity, most in India and China.

With out that the earth would have ben cooler fort the fact that out radiated energy increase with the power of four to the temperature. Every ice age theories has changed temperatures differences as function non changed greenhouse effect.

So pleas tell Greta Thunberg and her uneducated friends to go back to school, then they can learn how to solve real human created environment threat usch as stop plastic from reach the sea with just demand a tiny bit of today´s aid though it is few rivers in poor countries.

Or that reversed osmosis now is down to 2,5kWh/m3 for mineral water from ocean water so every warm desert can be transformed to forest. and we may get out from this 2,6 million long ice age.”

DocSiders
Reply to  Gunnar Littmarck
April 22, 2019 4:09 am

(neither of your links are working)

Gunnar Littmarck
Reply to  DocSiders
April 22, 2019 7:35 am

Here the one who clam to be first detecting higher greenhouse effect 2015.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-carbon-dioxide-greenhouse-effect.html?fbclid=IwAR3oxe4s9w1KrFHfahDDsloYCu83cOnrGwYFxz4Tswb7yAo4nhGie2skYFc

Try to find “First direct observation of carbon dioxide’s increasing greenhouse effect”

The other is from Niels Bohr Climate institute and show that the interglacial was 8C warmer during 6000 years on Greenland and 2,5 C warmer global.

https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-climate-of-the-past/

If that don´t work go for

Greenland ice cores reveal warm climate of the past

That was just two I use to climate activists so they have confidence in the sources.

Try calculate as I did that Sahara radiate out 16% more energi than the region would have if it was covered with as thick fores as Amazonas.

Then I wonder how much the desert to forest recent year have contributed to global average temperature NASA say as big region as Amazonas have become forest from desert the last 10 years?

South River Independent
Reply to  Gunnar Littmarck
April 22, 2019 12:23 pm

I think you all have missed the point of Mr. Sutter’s comments. His fault though for not ending with a sarc tag.

David Chappell
April 22, 2019 2:51 am

Since when has a tax been an incentive? Except perhaps as an incentive to avoid it.

snikdad
April 22, 2019 2:59 am

So … climate fascists liken their enemies to … fascists like them?

icisil
Reply to  snikdad
April 22, 2019 4:38 am

That’s the modus operandi of the left – project what they themselves are onto the right. Hitler and Mussolini, the original modern fascists, were socialists, i.e. leftists.

April 22, 2019 3:17 am

canonisation of a living person is not a good idea because holy people cannot be critisized.
Also critisizing society is not appropriate to children.
So climate girl Greta is a type of saint.
Using a saint as argument again shows the religieus character of climate activism.

Bruce Cobb
April 22, 2019 3:59 am

Out of the mouth of boobs. They are losing. We’re winning. Yes, we still have a long ways to go.

Jones
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
April 22, 2019 4:14 am

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Winston Churchill.

Not a thought crime to quote the great man here at least.

tim wells
Reply to  Jones
April 22, 2019 11:30 pm

In my view that England won the battle of Britain only because of climate change. The summer was long in 1940, and that gave the RAF good flying weather to shoot down those nasties.
It is my thesis that CO2 saved western civilization.

Greg Woods
April 22, 2019 4:29 am

‘ the scourge of climate change’

I like that phrase – has a nice, apocalyptic ring to it….

tim wells
Reply to  Greg Woods
April 22, 2019 11:33 pm

Rather, it evokes scenes of heretics being flogged during the inquisition for me.

Russell Johnson
April 22, 2019 4:41 am

When you hear or read a quote like “to fight the scourge of climate change.” these thoughts should come to mind:
1. Industry and commerce as we know it must be destroyed, consumerism is causing climate change.
2. All countries must surrender their sovereignty.
3. Full Blown Socialism comes next the world is the state and the state is supreme, capitalism is dead.
4. Central control and planning for all human activities implemented.
5. World communism is born with the state press singing its praises.
These people are not to be admired or revered they are nothing but evil fascist goons that seek to plunder your wealth and freedom. The Green New Deal, CAGW, etc. are nothing but playbooks to implement totalitarianism, plain and simple.

Peter
April 22, 2019 5:45 am

If the media, politicians, scientists, hollywood really want to send a message that will not be ignored they need to lead the way and stop flying, stop having huge face to face meetings, give up on large multiple waterfront mansions, big cars etc. Its not that complicated. People see the hypocrisy and denial-by-action in these people and form the obvious conclusion that they don’t actually believe what they are saying.

Stew Green
April 22, 2019 6:15 am

\\ This morning BBC Radio4 also gave ecomentalist Bill McKibben an opportunity to plug his new book.
No challenge to any of his wild statements;
indeed ‘tourettes’ seemed to disappear from the item for a bit as Bill was able to ramble on. //

CO2isLife
April 22, 2019 6:16 am

Here is how to defeat Climate Change Propaganda at its roots…the children. Our children are being taught to be tools of Marxism. By the time they reach adulthood it is too late. Their minds have been poisoned.

The TeenAge Super Sleuths are trying to change all that by creating videos by children for children. They are also having a battle of the sexes because the girl’s videos are getting more views than the boy’s videos. Please visit their site, view and share their videos, and leave encouraging comments. Here are the videos.

https://youtu.be/K_j1NoBRQ6U
https://youtu.be/78CvBi5ME7M
https://youtu.be/MHATjqBgw6g
https://youtu.be/ZDRvPMvn1kc
https://youtu.be/bcFiDQD6LtM
https://youtu.be/pqdBvA475fo
https://youtu.be/w_w8PLjLdaU
https://youtu.be/8aIzMyI3XV8
https://youtu.be/-sqSFXpoQN0

Main Index:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH0C8BmpzY_8YXvYWBChJ3w/videos

John Endicott
April 22, 2019 6:17 am

In 1990, as George Marshall wrote in his book “Don’t Even Think About It,” the magazine Ecologist published a book called “5,000 Days to Save the Planet.”

So sometime about 2003/2004 the Planet was destroyed? Oh wait…

About 5,000 days later, the Institute for Public Policy Research declared that there were “Ten Years to Save the Planet.”

Ah, so it was 2013/2014 that the planet was destroyed. No, no, Wait….

In 2008, he wrote, the New Economics Foundation said it was “100 Months to Save the World.”

so sometime around 2016/2017 was the end of the world. But wait a minute. AOC says we have 12 years left (so approximately 2030 is the new end of the world). I sure do wish they’d make up their minds and pick one doomsday and stick to it.

MLCross
April 22, 2019 6:26 am

“But to date, there have not been enough carbon taxes or other incentives to scale those ideas globally.”

I heard that, if you keep doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome, eventually the issue will be solved. So, why not set a few more deadlines?

Robert of Texas
April 22, 2019 7:12 am

Here is an example of a person who needs professional counseling.

Andy Pattullo
April 22, 2019 8:01 am

We are at war with climate change? We’ll need a bigger stick.

john york
April 22, 2019 8:01 am

“the eco-woke among us have created more than enough deadlines to try to force change.”

And these same eco-freaks have been blowing through those deadlines since the 1960’s. You would think they would take a nanosecond to reconsider their stances on climate change. The old adage: Doing the same over and over (yada, yada) definitely applies here. I guess the money tit is just too big a lure to stop sucking on.

icisil
April 22, 2019 8:09 am

Even Holthaus is now openly admitting that climate change isn’t about science.

Climate change isn’t about science, it’s about justice.

https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/1120333998465736705

Walter Sobchak
April 22, 2019 8:14 am

The man in the picture above looks like he needs to be taken away by those nice young men in their clea white coats to the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds.

Steve O
April 22, 2019 8:18 am

The reason political response in “the fight against climate change” has been weaker than they desired is their case for action is weaker than they care to learn. Of course, they have imagined different reasons for their failures to persuade that have to do with everyone else being greedy, immoral, lazy, stupid, shortsighted, stubborn, selfish…

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steve O
April 22, 2019 1:04 pm

Wait a minute, Steve. I resemble that remark! So do most humans.

Bryan A
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 22, 2019 2:17 pm

Who’re you calling stubborn…I’m tenacious thank you very much
I cling to tenacity as a virtue

observa
April 22, 2019 8:18 am

“We’re losing the war on climate change”

I’ve heard of the Thirty Years War and the Hundred Years War but this is ridiculous.

n.n
April 22, 2019 9:58 am

The climate has, in fact, changed. There are less green people today than hoped. There are more people who are practical and rational, and subsequently deny the prophecy of Catastrophic Anthropogenic whatever. This is positive progress. That said, we need a thank you Nixon day to celebrate practical and rational oversight of our relationships with ecology, and, of course, Teddy Roosevelt with fauna, and so on and so forth.

Dennis Kelley
April 22, 2019 10:31 am

I love this relatively new term “woke” (and now the variant, “eco-woke”). It is so descriptive in such a simple, monosyllabic fashion. When someone describes themselves as “woke”, they are claiming to be cool, hip, with-it, etc. What I hear, though, is someone who is absolutely, utterly pretentious, clueless and self-absorbed. These folks are not “woke” – they’re “wack”. They are not “eco-woke”, they are “eco-wack”. Let’s call them by what they are: wack!

Bryan A
Reply to  Dennis Kelley
April 22, 2019 2:19 pm

+42^42

Jerry Palmer
Reply to  Dennis Kelley
April 22, 2019 3:24 pm

They have a speech impediment. You hear ‘woke’, but they are saying ‘ a joke’.

Bryan A
Reply to  Jerry Palmer
April 22, 2019 7:21 pm

I thought Woke was past tense for Wake.
Perhaps they held the Wake and are now burying it

Kurt
April 22, 2019 3:53 pm

John Sutter’s “analysis” is the kind that invokes the irrational fear that you very well might have gotten a little dumber just for having read it.

April 23, 2019 10:30 am

The home page on my laptop is My Yahoo, a neglected holdover from my first days in the Internet. Yesterday, one of the articles was long missive from NBC News, IIRC, that went on and on about climate change, heat waves, weird weather, etc. I scrolled down to the comments section, and every comment for as far as I dove in (about 20-30 comments) absolutely eviscerated the article, claiming scientific fraud, calamny, corruption, ignorance, propaganda, indoctrination — you name it. They tore that article to pieces, and not one voice in the top postings defended any of it.

It made me feel a little better. Yahoo is no conservative site, and the skeptic pile-on made me wonder if there’s more pushback out there than we know. Certainly, we’re not going to hear about it from the local news.

Amber
April 24, 2019 11:44 pm

The public are tired of seeing a new chimp every year whipping up tears and a new eco porn story .
Yes CO2 is rising , what a shocking surprise . That is why the earth is greening as satellite pictures show .
Why do the Green pretenders have a problem with that is the question ?
Could it be that this overblown con-game is really about traditional human pursuits , you know
money , greed , and power ? Me thinks so . and people are kind of bored with that besides they have real problems to sort out . Skip the dishes or go out . You know heavy shit .
Who wants to see Hollywood hypocrites and gold digging business men playing their con ?
Virtue signalers and the MSM who are conflicted anyway .

Chris Hoff
April 25, 2019 8:53 am

I’ve been hearing this nonsense since the 1960’s. If I’m still around in another 2 decades and there still isn’t any catastrophe I will directly insult there lunatics to their faces. No reasonable explanation why they are wrong, just pure insults.

Kone Wone
April 25, 2019 7:13 pm

John D Sutter? Isn’t his name misspelled?

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