Guardian: Nobody Cares about Climate Change in Mississippi

Natchez Mississippi
Natchez, Mississippi. By Billy HathornOwn work, CC BY-SA 3.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Guardian author Megan Bergman discovers worrying about climate change is not a priority for people with real problems.

Talking about climate change in conservative places is hard. But we can’t afford not to

Megan Mayhew Bergman
Thu 18 Apr 2019 19.00 AEST
Last modified on Thu 18 Apr 2019 19.02 AEST

Climate change, I was told when buying a coffee, is not a “polite” topic of conversation in Natchez, Mississippi.

The elevated places of modern Natchez fare well in floods, but business and homes in low-lying areas are most at risk, like the Anna’s Bottom and Bourke Road areas, and the riverfront known as Natchez-under-the-Hill. While the Mississippi river has never been static, it is pushing towards a more efficient course to the sea down the Atchafalaya River; only manmade levees keep it in place. The nearby Old River Control Structure is one catastrophic flood away from a failure that would destroy entire cities and create an estimated economic loss of $14m a day.

Which is why, to outsiders, the avoidance of climate change conversations seems strange, if not unconscionable. The 2011 flood, which affected Natchez, caused $2.8bn of damage and affected 1.2m acres of agricultural land. The failure to talk about, let alone acknowledge, the future of climate change here could have disastrous impacts for the town and surrounding areas.

I met Natchez realtor Jim Smith for coffee to ask him about what I perceived as the town’s tendency to look backward, instead of forward. Smith owns Natchez Architectural and Art Discoveries, an art gallery and event venue downtown.

“Help me understand Natchez,” I said.

Is it hard to talk about climate change in such a conservative place?” I asked.

“I’m no liberal,” Smith clarified. “But despite what you think, a lot of people here understand the science of climate change.

“It’s a baffling place sometimes,” he conceded. “These are some of the greatest people in the world. But if you’re worried about getting food on the table, you might not be focused on climate change.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/18/climate-change-mississippi-plantation-economy

Bergman possibly doesn’t realise that she has stumbled across the real reason climate advocates cannot win a total victory in a free society.

Climate policies impoverish people. Useless renewables drive up the price of energy. Embracing renewables leads to the downscaling or closure of energy intensive businesses like factories and mines.

After a few years, anyone who supported climate policies now has a bigger problem to worry about; putting food on their table. So they tend to vote for politicians who are more focussed on economic issues, like President Trump.

Some of Bergman’s fellow greens are well aware of this dilemma, but they have an audacious solution; get rid of freedom.

Climate Litigation: The Latest Green Effort to Overturn Democracy

The Australian Government Broadcaster asks if we should ditch Democracy to ensure a climate change response

Bill Gates Climate Rant: “Representative Democracy is a Problem”

Claim: Democracy creates climate change paralysis

Guardian Headline – “Leading climate scientist: ‘democratic process isn’t working'”

DiCaprio Calls for “Deniers” to be Banned from Public Office: President Obama Stays Silent

etc.

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105 thoughts on “Guardian: Nobody Cares about Climate Change in Mississippi

    • Also–if we’re going to spend taxpayer money on weather problems, let’s spend it on solving the real issues; don’t rebuild on the banks of rivers that repeatedly flood–resettle elsewhere. Upgrade building codes in known “tornado alleys” to prevent loss of life from crappy construction and unsecured trailer homes. Rethink building 50-million-dollar hotels and condos right down on the high tide line in Miami. Etc.

    • Well, you got there first, Don, but I’m betting that a fair percent of the readers here also had that thought pop up first thing.

      Now, if the Mississippi stopped flooding I’d imagine that would generate a whole passel of conversation in Natchez.

      “Children just won’t know what floods are.”
      ;o)

      • If man-made climate change existed on a significant level, it could just as easily result in fewer floods of the Mississippi. I’m sure some expert could be found who would support that contention.

        Maybe they should be allowed to sue the ‘change stoppers’ for the economic costs of all future floods, blaming them for not ‘letting’ change occur.

      • This is really quite comical, I’ve been to Natchez and am familiar with the areas he’s talking about. Natchez under-the-hill now has a casino and is popular vacation spot, but back in the 18th and 19th centuries it got a reputation for being a seedy red light and gambling district where all kinds of bad characters hung out. And the reason why is simple – the places up on top of the bluff were *always* safe from flooding, so they were valuable, but the spots down on the river front flooded every spring, so they were cheap structures and only fly-by-night operators tried to build anything there. (although red light districts never lacked for customers, that was for sure)

        So when he says “Natchez under-the-hill is at risk of flooding!” the answer is Duh! Yeah! Like every year for the more than 200 years Natchez has been on that spot!!! And he wonders why people there aren’t all worked up about climate change, sheesh.

      • If anyone is wondering if the Mississippi river used to have floods in the past, they might reflect on the fact that the river is surrounded for it’s entire length by a very wide and low geographical feature called…wait for it…a FLOODPLAIN!

    • Ya develop and farm near the continent’s largest waterway, ya gonna get flooded once in a while – especially when you do it in the low-level flood plain that the Mother Nature set up some time ago…

      ~ Andy from Mayberry

      • “The Mississippi Delta Begins in the Lobby of the Peabody Hotel and Ends on Catfish Row in Vicksburg.”

        This is a quote from well before man-made CO2 caused climate change would be possible, about a region which has flooded regularly for millennia.

        The resulting rich soils were just the thing for King Cotton, and created the 19th century equivalent of Silicon Valley. But flooding has always been a fact of life and the Mississippi may bend to the will of man for a while, but not forever. And I say this as an old engineer who, many years ago, designed the foundation under a large curving wing wall in the Old River control complex.

    • What ‘climate change’ though?

      We can’t even detect more than weather cycles (noise) until 3 or 4 centuries have passed in order to get any sort of trend indications.

      And that trend over the period to 2349 AD may NET-out to a flat-line, or more likely, to NET-cooling, as it has been for the past 3,500 years of the late Holocene.

  1. We are proud to announce POPS. Perseveration Of Plants Society. We are dedicated to promoting plant life on Earth.

    To ensure abundant plant life we prefer; warmer temperatures, fewer killing frosts and deep freezes, and of course more plant food in the atmosphere.

    POPS does not need or want your money. We’d like you to vote out all the climate change taxers, and promote a green plants.

    • I use the acronym POP (purveyors of poverty) instead of NGO when describing SJW, including many environmental advocates.

      • POP in Ontario is the group People Or Planes that stopped the creation of a second airport in Toronto, in Pickering Township (now Durham Region).

        It was the first time in Canadian history that a community had defeated a government initiative they had declared publicly their intention to accomplish. There are books on how it was done.

        POP was ultimately successful and the 25,000 expropriated acres are still being held as sneaky politicians scheme to create deals for their industrial development buddies (the original plan was the airport and “Cedarwood City” that would surround it).

        Not long ago the Federal government announced they were going to do exactly the same thing and the citizens again arose with a new organisation called Land Over Landings. There are a small number of the original POP members still involved. LOL promotes food production on prime farmland and has been successful in protecting the Altona Forest as well as the Route River Valley as a permanent greenbelt. The rest of the “airport zone” is still at risk, but less so as time passes.

        In the meantime, the second airport near Montreal, Mirabel, has fallen into disuse. It was the original inspiration for the Pickering Airport (jealousy).

  2. Megan Bergman – another name to throw in the trash bin for pathetic journalists.
    It is a very large bin.

  3. Climate alarmism and blaming humans for every shift in the wind is just another scam, like the witch doctors who used to say we angered the spirits and that’s why anything bad that happened was our fault.

  4. The long chain is assumptions linking every naturally occurring event, read here as flood, to climate change is more than most reasonable people will believe

  5. They should be more worried about bond rating agencies being surreptitiously influenced by global warming advocacy groups distorting the bond rating methodology for Mississippi state and municipal bonds. That has already happened by the way but the bond market itself will ignore the spin and price the bonds just as before the maneuver. The climate advocacy sickness is spreading across the land just as JRR Tolkien wrote but has not taken full form.

  6. “Guardian author Megan Bergman: I met Natchez realtor Jim Smith for coffee to ask him about what I perceived as the town’s tendency to look backward, instead of forward.”

    Arrogant disdainful condescending smug superior to everyone else attitude; the mark of an elitist progressive.

    Typically ignorant yet demanding little twit. Everyone else is supposed to adhere to her pessimistic worldview of imaginary dooms.

    • This is a great time to point out that it isn’t because of slavery or segregation or anything to do with that why they hate the South. Their hatred has only reared its ugly head in very recent years. They absolutely hate and abhor the political culture of the South. Conservatives must NEVER let them redefine what about the South that they hate. Unfortunately, too many useless “Republicans” have in recent years, which only fed a mob. It allowed the left to conflate what they really hate about the South with things that happened before most people who live there were even born!

  7. From the article: “I’m no liberal,” Smith clarified. “But despite what you think, a lot of people here understand the science of climate change.”

    Well, you could take that more than one way. Smith could be saying he and “a lot of people” look at climate the way liberals/alarmists look at it, or maybe he’s saying “a lot of people” actually do understand the science of climate and reject the notion of CAGW.

    And I’m skeptical of this statement by the author: “Which is why, to outsiders, the avoidance of climate change conversations seems strange, if not unconscionable.”

    It’s been my experience that it is the alarmists who avoid talking about climate change, or rather, avoid talking the technical details of climate change. I don’t think an alarmist asking a native about climate change is going to cause that native to run away from the conversation. I think Mississippians would be happy to engage if asked about it. The author is insinuating that there are a bunch of Deniers in Mississippi. She might be right. Let’s hope so. But that doesn’t mean they are afraid to talk about it.

    • Even the cliché reason she chose Mississippi was from figuring these must be the most deplorable of the Deplorables. When the rabid dog of the cataclysmic AGW front for global gov by the Marxbrothers expires in agony, she wouldnt revisit and concede the people of Mississippi had it right. How can these insufferable progressives even stand each other.

      • Progressives have always hated the South. It’s where their movements have always died. Their hate has zip to do with race, slavery or anything else. They want people to think that because then it’s literally impossible to argue with them, but that’s not what it’s about. It’s about their ideology constantly being stymied there. It isn’t just limited to that region. The interior West and lately the working class Midwest and Pennsylvania have been belittled by these people as their ideologies have died there. The last two Democrat Presidential nominees plus Biden have used in that respective order the word “clingers,” “deplorables and irredeemables” and “dregs” to describe 46-47% of all U.S. voters.

  8. I wonder why the flood mitigation structures are old?

    Could it be there have been [floods] before CO2 increases?

    • Hasbeen

      I wonder why the flood mitigation structures are old?

      Could it be there have been [floods] before CO2 increases?

      Certainly the 1927 Mississippi River floods of 1927 began before CO2 levels were greater than 280 ppm.
      But even 1927 was 300 years AFTER the deepest point of the Little Ice Age. So why was the earth warming between 1600 AD and 1927 AD?
      Regardless, there are credible theories indicating that the Mississippi Basin Indian Mounds were first built across the flood plain as refugee spots above the flood line by the region’s first inhabitants. Indeed, even in 1927, the flood refugees from surrounding towns and farms sought “dry ground” on top of old Indian mounds!

    • Salute!

      Plenty of manmade influences upon the whole delta south of Nathez. I mainly saw things in New Orleans, being a resident and all.

      To be honest, I saw most of the influence as subsidence, and watched as my uncle’s slab became exposed about a foot anf a half below original grade. This was over a 20 to 25 year period from early 50’s to mid-seventies. Funny, but we didn’t see a lotta slab homes until mid-fifties. Most were built on short 3 or 4 foot pilings. Water could run under and sink in, and searching for termite tunnels on the pilings was easy. Biggest problem was a really cold spell and pipes could feeze.

      There is hope. Diversion structures have been built after Katrina and some of the Big Muddy mud is being distributed alongside the river as it was before we built all the levees. And many of the old small canals tht oil companies built after the 40’s are being closed. So salt water intrusion is being mitigated to some extent.

      Gums…

  9. Talking about climate change in conservative places is hard. But we can’t afford not to.” So is talking about unicorns, elves, UFOs and bigfoot. So? Of course by “climate change”, she means the mythical manmade kind.

    • I can’t understand why Conservatives don’t start telling residents of inner cities what the Progressives, including those for whom they keep voting, are trying to do. Don’t try explaining climate change. Because of the education provided by inner city schools, they would not understand it. Just explain the impact Progressive ideas would have on them: no more cars; less money because of higher utility bills, higher food prices; no more meat, especially red meat for barbecuing and frying; huge taxes on alcohol; and if you win the lottery? Progressive state and federal tax proposals (70% feds, 10% state), will only let you keep twenty cents of every dollar you win.
      But don’t worry. In exchange for that you get free healthcare, free college tuition, and you will be improving the world for your children.

      Let’s see how that would play in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, LA, and other large cities.

      I suspect their concern over climate chage would be far less than the deplorables in Mississippi.

      • I can’t understand why Conservatives don’t start telling residents of inner cities what the Progressives, including those for whom they keep voting, are trying to do. … Just explain the impact Progressive ideas would have on them: no more cars;

        They live in the inner city, they likely don’t have a car.

        less money because of higher utility bills

        They live in the inner city, they likely don’t have much, if any, money.

        higher food prices; no more meat,

        They live in the inner city, … you get the idea. The fact is to the inner city poor, everything you name isn’t something they would have any fear will happen as they’re already living under those conditions yet they keep voting for “progressive”/Democrats anyway because they’re promised free stuff (Welfare, Obama phones, Food Stamps, etc).

        • John, the inner city denizens are poor because they spend their money as quickly as they get it, not because they never have any. Plenty of money flows into those neighborhoods, mainly coming from the govenment. Drugs, alcohol, and gambling is where most of the money disappears.

          Cars are a big thing for most. They can’t qualify for mortgages, so buying flashy housing is out. They compensate by getting flashy cars. They are status symbols in the cities. Ever hear the term ‘pimp mobile’?

          Just who do you think are buying and selling all the recreational drugs, which also brings money into the community from ‘urban tourists’? Have you seen the statistics showing where the most lottery tickets are sold? Have you seen the health studies showing that that segment of the population suffers most from eating fried foods and meat? Have you not seen the stories on the sales of multi-hundred dollar sneakers and designer clothes in demand from city high schoolers?

          Don’t fool yourself into thinking poor in the US means not having access to money.

          Cities dump millions of tax payer dollars into those areas.

          • They’re called poor for a reason. Yes, they have some (very small) amount of cash that flows into (and just as quickly out of) their hands. Don’t mistake that very small amount of cash into think they’re swimming in money. They’re not.

            Most of the nonsense you just posted is a bunch of stereotypes. don’t let stereotypes blind you to the reality. For example the reality is car ownership has been trending downward in inner cities for years. As for “pimp mobiles”, They got their names from the “flashy” rides that the neighborhood “pimps” would have. Not everyone in the inner city is a pimp (nor is everyone in the inner cities part of the drug trade to hit on one of your other sterotypes). Most inner city poor that do have cars, don’t have “pimp mobiles”, they have old used cars that are not what anyone would describe as “flashy”. Cars that when they do break down, they struggle to afford the cost of repairs.

            Have you seen the health studies showing that that segment of the population suffers most from eating fried foods and meat?

            Yes, and did you ever stop to think why that might be? Inner city residents tend not to have as much access to and/or can’t afford to buy good nutritious food (which can be relatively “expensive” compared to the unhealthy pre-processes cheap alternatives) but do have access to “cheap” fast food. Some inner city areas don’t even have a Super market/Grocery store at all (because crime is too high for the owners of the supermarkets to stay in business in those areas).

            Cities dump millions of tax payer dollars into those areas.

            Yes, and very little of that makes it into the hands of the inner city poor. Just because government throws money at something doesn’t mean that money gets spent wisely or where it’s needed most, if it did the problems of inner city poor would have been solved decades ago.

  10. “The nearby Old River Control Structure is one catastrophic flood away from a failure that would destroy entire cities and create an estimated economic loss of $14m a day.”

    When the Mississippi River changes course, it will eliminate the existing deepwater ports. I doubt $14 million per day is sufficient to describe the losses that will incur from losing the deepwater access.

    All of the oil rigs off the Louisiana coast are supported from the existing Mississippi deep water channel.
    An immense amount imported goods, especially items like coffee are brought into through the Mississippi River Delta.
    Certainly, the ships can be rerouted to other deep water ports, but their supporting service structures will need relocation and workers relocated or hired and trained. A $14 million loss is hardly sufficient to describe the damage.

    Nor does the arrogant disdainful Megan Mayhew Bergman understand that the Mississippi’s river route is endangered by ‘climate change’. Megan is trying to claim an existing danger,one that existed before “climate change” became the ‘disaster du jour’ of fanatics.

    Megan is signalling that alarmists are waiting hungrily for the next weather disaster event so they can claim it is caused by their evil “climate change”. Just as doomsters claimed over decades, that California will fall into the sea..
    It is sheer hubris that mankind builds significant structures on Earthquake faults or on water adjoining flood plains. The disasters that befall those who built on faults or on flood plains are natural, not proof that carbon dioxide is destroying anything.
    Only arrogant ignorant religious deluded cultists like Meghan would claim otherwise.

    • And the old flood control structures were built a long time ago. Boy, Megan, I would say the people of Mississippi were remarkably well informed about climate change. It’s been with us from time immemorial you vacuous parrot.

  11. “Climate change, I was told when buying a coffee, is not a “polite” topic of conversation in Natchez, Mississippi.”
    It’s not a polite topic anywhere because it is entirely political, thanks to Alarmist libtards.

    • Seriously Griff? If you think flood insurance has anything to do with “climate change”, you’re even more retarded than I thought.

    • Affordable?

      It should be very expensive, enough so to discourage people from living in such an area. One ought not build in a known lowland prone to flooding and then be surprised when it floods.
      Houston began where the confluence of White Oak Bayou and Buffalo Bayou served as a natural turning basin, that is, a low area where water is know to flow towards.

    • No different now than in years past.

      I’m willing to bet griff actually believes that bad weather only started 20 years ago.

    • Yes, thanks to the support of my fellow taxpayers. That is indeed the problem. Before the US federal government decided to nationalize rising water flood insurance, there was an economic incentive to build in less flood-prone areas. That incentive is now gone because the cost to buy flood insurance is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers of this country. It is much more affordable than if you actually had to pay for the real cost of flood insurance from a private company who had to actually show a profit. Every homeowner knows whether their property is within the 100 year flood zone because it is disclosed on their mortgage statement. If it is, then the mortgage company requires flood insurance. Perhaps you bought your house for cash, in which case, you can choose not to buy flood insurance.

  12. I live in a conservative place, about 2/3’s of the voters in my township are registered Republicans. Ms. Bergman is more than welcome to come here and discuss climate change. I can arrange for about a dozen people to participate, most of them will be farmers or engineers, I’ll be the odd-man out, since my doctoral work was in the area of information theory.

    I’ll even by the beer, although Ms. Bergman will need to cover her own travel expenses.

    • Hey Mark! How about we set-up a Ms. Bergman tour of conservative places? We could call it “The Bergman REAL WORLD Reeducation Tour.” We could even throw in a few “balanced” places like here in Central Florida where we are about evenly split; 40% Rep, 30% Dem & 29% No Party Aff. I think I could even get 1 or 2 “smart” Dem’s to show up. (Yes, there are some out there…) Of course, they would be in disguise – – – they are smart enough to know not to counter the Democrat party dogma.

      • Now that Alberta’s disastrous four-year by-fluke experiment with a socialist government has come to a screeching halt, I’d be happy to invite her here, too.

      • I’m in! We can get a big old diesel-burning tour bus … do one town for lunch and the next town for happy-hour, over a 5 day stretch. By the time we’re done Ms. Bergman will either become a reporter for Breitbart or be in need of intensive treatment for PTSD. Either way, good times, good times

    • At least on her conservative tour of “backward cities”, she won’t have to watch where she steps.

      Unlike when she walks around “forward looking” progressive cities that are starting to resemble medieval London.

  13. The emotions of almost terminally anxious liberals, although dangerous are fascinating:
    They are scared of suddenly runaway global warming, which they shamelessly force upon children.
    Try to comfort them with clarity about positive feedback mechanisms and the physics of climate.
    Instead of smiles of relief, there is anger.
    With news of disastrous weather, anywhere, they find consolation, satisfaction and comfort.
    Then when there is no violent weather they return to anxiety.
    And, of course when NASA fabricates a rising temp trend they will belligerently shove it in your face.
    It seems that the default condition is fear and anxiety.
    And for ambitious bureaucrats, fear is a growth industry.

    • >With news of disastrous weather, anywhere, they find consolation, satisfaction and comfort.

      I’ve been coming to the conclusion that the relief and comfort they derive from negativity and doom stems from unacknowledged feelings of guilt, shame and embarrassment.

      As a species we’re not accustomed to living in a state of abundance and ease, where even the poor in developed countries have a higher standard of living than Kings and Queens experienced merely a couple of centuries ago. Today, one of the greatest health issues for poor people is obesity.

      And deep down, the doom-stricken progressives feel that they’ve done nothing to deserve the good fortune to have been born in this age of plenty.

      The truth is, they haven’t. No one alive today can take credit for being born here and now. But instead of rejoicing at their good luck – and giving thanks to their ancestors – they insist that everyone should also share in their shame and guilt, and anyone who refuses must be attacked and brow-beaten until they do.

      They really are the New Puritans.

  14. Also note the huge industrial strength levees along the lower Mississippi River were built for flood control with federal funds long before globull warming propaganda was stretched across the political landscape. You will still find flooding on farm land in front of the levee and more so in the middle and upper Mississippi River system where the mishmash of smaller levees and private levees are present.

  15. There should be a name for biased journalistic travel notes from assignment in distant lands. It does happen often enough to give it a label.

    • The Der Spiegel article by Claas Relotius about Fergus Falls, MN, seems to be the worst example. How about Relotius Syndrome?

      • Yes, I was thinking of that one in MN also.

        Not-fact-checked journalism does seem to naturally fit with not-fact-checked science agenda.

        I guess that leads to Fact-less Journalism Syndrome or confirm my bias, small town travels in America travelogues.

  16. Well, here in Florida, we not only don’t care much about global warming, we also really don’t care about the Guardian.

    Isn’t that paper about bankrupt?

  17. Funny how overseas publications like the Guardian seem determined to stick their noses in the business of people who live on the Mississippi.

    That’s the thing about Progressives – doesn’t matter where you are, you WILL live by their priorities. And all their policies seem to require 100% compliance.

    • Joel Snider
      Not only are Progressives dedicated busy bodies, but their goal is to re-shape societies in the image of what THEY believe should be the required behavior, but they do so with little understanding of how the real world works. That is, they want a fantasy world.

  18. Midwest Climate Change Report (unscientific, moistened finger in the air, report from fly over territory):

    In my larger circle of acquaintances which is 55/45 conservative/progressive (~10% extremists on both tails of the curve…I’m in one of the tails…over this a way –>) the 97% consensus thing is on solid 90+% ground…almost the same with Weather Worsening certainty. Oh well.

    Almost all of them (85%ish) believe we need to do something about climate. But the “12 year GND deadline” is basically scoffed at except by the 10% left. Fourth generation MSR nuclear is surprisingly well supported 80%ish (but then most of my circle has better than average science backgrounds)…only the far left are strongly against MSR (the only solution that doesn’t require economic collapse…I suspect they only want political solutions…not technological solutions…and MSR will also reduce the “need” for Renewables)

    99% have done nothing to reduce their carbon footprint so far as I can tell (only the 1% me…to save on energy expense). 99% take distant vacations every year and fly often for business with no discernible change in that pattern going forward.

    Voting will follow the 55/45 split…BUT THE CLIMATE IS NOT A FACTOR except on the far left 10% which won’t effect their votes.

    We are losing the propaganda battle, but we will probably win the war unless the Democrats take the Presidency and both houses of Congress. So this would actually only be a truce through 2024…the left will never go away, and even I am not in favor of putting them all in re-education camps. That’s their thing.

  19. The Mississippi will eventually ‘take’ the Atchafalaya route. It’s not an if, it’s a when. Path of least resistance. If the flood control structures hadn’t been built it likely would have been well underway by now, massive floods or not.

  20. Every now and then I check out Gallup’s ongoing poll, The Nation’s Most Important Problem. As far as I can tell, it’s an open ended question. link That means the question is asked without suggesting possible answers. If people think the environment is the nation’s most important problem, that means they thought it themselves without being prompted. Gallup’s task is to categorize the answers. Climate change / global warming would be categorized under Environment/Pollution.

    Four percent of people thought Environment/Pollution is the nation’s most important problem. That’s as much as any particular economic problem, so it isn’t peanuts. What it does show is that the maximum number of people who think CAGW is the nation’s most important problem is 4%.

    What are the Democrats pushing? Climate change? The Green New Deal?

    What do people think is the most important problem? By far it is “The government/Poor leadership” at 29%. OK, I think that’s a problem for both parties.

    What comes second? It’s immigration at 16%. I think that’s a win for President Trump.

    The vast majority of Americans are not nearly as worried about CAGW as they are about immigration.

    Before the last presidential election, Talking Points Memo posted this study. It talks about the misery of white working people in America. The Democrats had thrown the majority of Americans under the bus. They didn’t acknowledge the problem. Trump won.

    Again, the Democrats are ignoring the elephant in the room. It looks like they could hand the next election to Trump on a silver platter … again.

    • “The vast majority of Americans are not nearly as worried about CAGW as they are about immigration.”

      Right. They don’t want their culture diluted by hordes of immigrants who have no stake in it.

      • It’s hard to over emphasize the importance of culture. When I was a kid, we attributed American success to the Protestant Work Ethic. I would guess that’s deeply embedded in the psyches of the majority of Americans.

        I think the eloquent in the room is Thomas Sowell. link He has spent decades pointing out that certain groups such as Asians and Jews are overachievers because they value education and work hard. That is the case in spite of the case that those groups have, at various places and times, experienced horrendous racism.

        The postmodern loony left wants to crush our culture and letting them get away with that would be suicidal.

    • Old guard Repubs need to change over to Trump- type – I suspect the change will come from new blood and the old RINOs will just expire. If the change occurs, Republicans will run government for a generation.

      Dems are sticking to lost causes and are going extinct. They have to repatriate their constuency back to the US and become Americans again. This elitist Eurocentric global gov putsch is dead. Heck Trump pulled the plug out and its withering and dying.

      It’s a marvel that Trump restarted the economy so quickly, erased unemployment revitalized manufacturing and made the country the world’s energy superpower! While the Dems and repub old guard were throwing sand in his eyes for two years.

      Don’t democrats want to get to be part of that miracle, too? It seems the answer is no. Hey, new parties are gobbling up seats in parlianents in Europe, inspired by the Trump miracle.

  21. In the long run we cannot control the courses of the big rivers any more than we can control the climate or the tides and that is the way it has to be. If we did gain real total long term control of their flows they would no longer be rivers and the ecosystems they foster with their flooding would die. The rivers most controlled become nothing more than commercial channels with far less life and biodiversity.

    The farmland in the flood plains suffer losses due to periodic flooding but that bottom land is the most fertile and valuable.

    Imagine no swamps or oxbow lakes.

    The gravel and sand we can most efficiently quarry in most of the country are from the deposits of river courses, both current and ancient.

    • The stupidity of Ms Bergman is typical of Liberals. They are product of a deficient education.
      Her stupidity arises from the obvious fact that the people who live along the Mississippi River understand it has always flooded and changed course. Some periods between big floods are a decade, other floods come in sets of several in just a few years, they know that because their grandparents and their grandparents dealt with that reality.
      Now the Stupid Left wants to tell them that now the floods are the result of recent “Climate Change.”

      The folks of the Mississippi are actually smarter than Ms Bergman.

  22. Bergman writes short story fiction. She even won an award for it, the Garret Award for Fiction. Sounds to me like she is on track for another award.

  23. Researchers found that when the jet stream meanders over the western US, as occurs after a strong La Niña winter, more frequent high ozone days are expected at the western US surface in the following spring. Using lidar and balloon observations alongside a global chemistry-climate model, the researchers trace the cause of these poor air quality days to ozone plunging down to the ground from high in the upper atmosphere in dynamical events called “tropopause folds.” The tropopause is the boundary between the lowest layer of the atmosphere (the troposphere, from the surface to about 10-15 kilometers) and the ozone-rich stratosphere (which extends from the tropopause to about 50 kilometers high).
    https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/news/2015/images/168_0512fig2.png

  24. In the US, Climate Change Alarmism exists primarily in the minds of East Coast and West Coast Liberal Elites who sneer down their noses at the Deplorables in fly-over country. Even in Texas in places like Austin or El Paso, the big blue splotches in a sea of Red, Climate Change is not an issue.

    I go to the nearby Walmart Supercenter to buy my beer, mostly because it is much cheaper there than Safeway or WholeFoods. (The same IPA that I buy at Walmart is $6.77/6pack, compared to almost $10 at Safeway or $11 at WholeFoods). I also fill any prescriptions there and occasional allergy meds there because they are cheaper too by usually a few dollars. The store is large, newly renovated and quite clean. The people I see at WalMart are mostly elderly (on fixed incomes for sure) and lower class working folks, folks just trying to get by. Each probably has some kind of silently-engulfing economic struggle. There are no Teslas or new Audis in the parking parking lots.

    When I walk across the huge parking lot to the entrance, I tell myself, “These are folks Hillary and her ilk call deplorables. These are the folks the US Liberals want to see disappear.
    Being at Walmart, driving a Chevy pickup with an Life NRA member sticker on the back window, I’m certainly a deplorable too. Retired military officer, AF Academy grad, PhD from a Massachusetts medical school,… doesn’t matter …. the Left hates me. Because I shop at the WalMart SuperCenter, not the nearby Target or AJ’s upscale market, or even the WholeFoods, And they hate me even more because I loathe the climate change religion and the corruption of science it has delivered. And the NRA thing, well that inflames them even more.
    The Liberals want them and me to simply disappear by impoverishing us with $6/gal for gas, double or triple our electric bills. The folks both shopping at Walmart and working there, these are the working middle class who compete at the low end of the wage scale and the East-West Coast Elites want to force to compete for wages with newly arrived “refugees” and illegal aliens.

    And no one in the WalMart Supercenter cares one bit about Climate Change. Yet, we’ve got millionaire toads like Socialist Bernie Sanders who claims to be the savior of the working class, who can’t stop harping about the climate change religion and its drive to impoverish the deplorables.
    I hold the US Democrats and the Socialist Democrats beyond contempt for what they want to do to destroy everything this country was built on. They are despicable and loathe-worthy.

    The sooner people realize what Sanders and AO-C and her ilk represent, the sooner we can kick them into the rubbish heap of really bad ideas where they belong.
    And I’ll keep voting for Trump just to give the middle finger to both the East and West Coast Liberals who think they are my betters.

    • Joel,

      You do NOT want to hang out around any academic institution these days…and not just on the East and West Coasts. There’s only wall to wall postmodern neo-Marxists professors…the result of 50 years of “filtering” by selective hiring and selective promotion and the outright firing of dissenters to “Democratic Socialism” (and they don’t really like the “democratic” part…they have to add that for now to help sell their poisonous philosophy). In the humanities and social sciences there is nothing but socialism and “identity politics” indoctrination. There is no real diversity. Only groupthink. Wearing a MAGA hats is considered to be an act of violence…could get you disciplined or even expelled…for being hateful (I can feel their love from here).

      (Crony) Scientists have generated flows of government funds through their universities. The government money keeps flowing as long as the correct results keep getting published. Dissenters do not long survive…they are a threat to continued funding.

      The MSM is now mostly a socialist propaganda machine. Every broadcast from every news outlet spouts the same stories all day long USING THE SAME CATCH PHRASES…it is so obviously a coordinated propaganda effort. I don’t watch any of them any more. They make me physically ill. Almost every story is presented with a big government slant or they take a swipe against American greatness (they hate America). They can’t even present the weather without a political slant.

      Most normal Americans have almost nothing in common philosophically with these ugly hateful people.

      These lying hypocrites preach the value of diversity, but would never include normal masculine American males in their “family of mankind”…they hate and fear us…(and these gutless pussies should…we are the last remaining threat to them). Diversity is just a tool (that they corrupt…they corrupt everything they touch)…they don’t want any real diversity of ideas.

      Almost every fundamental institution of American civilization are infected with this social disease:
      • Media
      • Academia
      • Science (regrettably corrupted)
      • Law (legislating from the bench – hate the Constitution)
      • Education
      • Entertainment (not funny any more)
      • Government (the biggest threat to the Constitution)
      • Liberal Christian Churches…even the Pope (climate)

      I’m not sure how we go forward with this powerful alien force working so hard to destroy America from within. The huge philosophical differences between these pseudo-intellectuals and real Americans are irreconcilable. I don’t want to live around them…I hate even being in their presence. They are arrogant and full of resentment. Arguing with them rapidly degenerates into name calling (racist, toxic Male, fascist…etc.). It’s all about acquiring power for them so that they can control the rest of. They are totalitarian authoritarians.

      To make the pain of coexisting alongside them even more unbearable, ALMOST ALL OF THESE UGLY ANTI-AMERICANS ARE FINANCED BY US TAXPAYERS…* and none of them produce anything of any value*. If they all just disappeared one day, life would go on without any interruption. The world would instantly be better without them. We wouldn’t miss them.

      Fortunately, three key indispensable Institutions of American civilization are still very pro-American. The 3 Institutions that deal with reality where the rubber meets the road:
      • Law Enforcement
      • The Military
      • Engineering

      Good News:
      1.) Technology (Internet) is chipping away at the power of the MSM.
      2.) Academia is pricing themselves out of the market. Online instruction is getting better every year, and results are getting better at FAR lower cost than brick and mortar Universities…need ~10 more years and 5G Internet.
      3.) The general population doesn’t really believe Climate Change is a serious problem. Even liberals don’t live like they believe it is a serious problem.

      I pray often that the Climate turns toward a decade or 2 of cooling…it is about due…Both AMO and PDO are turning negative, and multi-cycle analysis favors a cooling trend soon, and the Sun has been really quiet. I need to live long enough to see that.

  25. Isn’t it funny how these non-deniers refuse to listen to skeptics or even acknowledge that “denier” is a vague and inaccurate term.

    • “denier” is a creation of their own mind in order to deprecate and denigrate the “non-believers” in their climate religion. I live in their heads as denier of the religion. I love it.

      I am a Climate Change Infidel. I need to find a bumper sticker that says that, and put it on my pickup truck.

  26. If the liberals who want to make the world subservient to them did not make “climate change” political, people would be happy to discuss what the future might bring. But when you know that the conversation is really about laying the chains on your neck and ankles, you are not going to want to participate.

  27. The Guardian cares about the prophecy of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming and their Hope Solo thinks there are too many “white girls next door” in the Olympics. Conflation of logical domains and rabid diversity.

  28. This seems to be an appropriate place to point out this article:

    https://www.city-journal.org/seattleforall-campaign

    While not specifically mentioned, you can easily see that the manmade climate change canard is part of their repertoire. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it takes few people – maybe just one multi-billionaire – to put this in operation. It looks to me like an attempt to brainwash people on certain issues, then urge them to apply peer pressure to get the rest to follow.

    I am very glad I live far away from Seattle and the rest of the west coast. If you do live in that area, you might want to consider moving away for awhile until these efforts crash and burn. Convincing people that these problems, including climate change, can be solved if you tax people enough and spend the money on government solutions never ends well.

  29. How much “carbon” did the Guardian put into the atmosphere just to insult and denigrate people of the southern US. Being born and raised in the South — which is actually the southeastern US — I am used to being looked down upon by everyone else. As if my southern accent makes me ignorant, dumb, and deplorable. While not the majority, I have met many Yankees who spent their entire time bashing and mocking southern culture. This Guardian article reeks with disdain for people who have the audacity to believe something different than a progressive who never worked hard in their entire life.

  30. Ms. Bergman should have read about the 1927 flood on the Mississippi and the history of floods and flood control since then. Flood on the Mississippi is nothing new.

    There is NO evidence that flooding and other forms of severe weather are the result of the very small increase in global temperatures over the last 150 years, yet every time there is a flood, or a drought, it is blamed on global warming.

  31. Nobody cares about climate change anywhere. Even the most fanatical activists don’t take it seriously. If they did, they would take up arms and start doing terrorist attacks against Chinese and Indian coal plants.

  32. The democratic process is working very well where it is still allowed to operate. People vote in their own best interests and for what their reason tells them is the right policy. This is why the Warmistas and Alarmists hate democracy as people can see the holes in the Alarmist propaganda and have fairly good memories of history and typical weather. The main Warmist argument is ‘shut up and do what the 97% tell you’.

  33. It’s like this Megan-
    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/good-friday-cold-blast-in-albany-brings-april-snow-to-wa-for-first-time-in-49-years/ar-BBW6Mfu

    “Western Australia’s south west has received an unexpected surprise this Good Friday, with snowfall on Bluff Knoll in the Stirling Range.
    This is the earliest recorded snow event in the state’s history.
    The last recorded fall before this time was April 20 in 1970, according to the Bureau of Meteorology records.”

    Wow you mean to tell me this time round a freak weather event occurred a day earlier than it did nearly half a century ago? Here let me help you-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_Australia

    Not least the money quote-

    “When Australia’s first inhabitants arrived on the northwest coast 40,000 to 60,000 years ago the sea levels were much lower. The Kimberley coast at one time was only about 90 km from Timor, which itself was the last in a line of closely spaced islands for humans to travel across.[4] Therefore, this was a possible (even probable) location for which Australia’s first immigrants could arrive via some primitive boat. Other possible immigration routes were via islands further north and then through New Guinea.”

    They didn’t have thermometers or even Cuneiform let alone paper and pen but eventually the whitefellas did (not the Cuneiform) What is it with the moi generation Megan?

  34. The river and its Delta is constantly silting up as time goes by. This makes it want to find a new course when it rains a lot and the river rises from time to time.
    DO THEY NOT TEACH REALITY ANYMORE!!! Its not climate change that silts rivers. This is a normal process.

  35. There might be one person in Mississippi who worries about climate change but I haven’t run across him yet but I have lived here only 40 years. So far it has gotten hot in the summer and cold in the winter and never missed a year.

  36. I’m born and raised in New Orleans and now live in Mississippi, two blocks from the Mississippi Sound. I’ve lived on the East and West coasts while stationed in the Navy. I’ve seen a good bit of the World. I decided to retire to Mississippi. None of my retirement is taxed by the State of Mississippi. Being over 65 my property taxes are below 100 dollars a year on our 2000 square foot home. My electric bill averages 175 dollars a month. My wife keeps the heat at 73 in the winter and the A/C at 72 in the summer. Just paid 1.40 a gallon for gas. We are not over run by the homeless, can carry a gun in the car legally without a permit. Our greatest concern is the price of boiled crawfish. That oyster po-boy I ate for lunch today was delicious. I can go to the grocery and get my stuff put in plastic bag, and go buy a large soda without having to pay a sugar tax. Life is simple and easy here. I don’t know why so many put up with the BS some states are imposing on its citizens.

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